I love those cute little arrows
Thomas Gehrlein
I compiled emacs 21 and it has those cute little arrows on those grey vertical
bars on the left and right and it's got italics on Win98 and it seems like I
can use *all* system fonts and not just 5 or 6 like with emacs 20 and it
understands my .emacs and everything works out of the box. It's really great.
I migrated everything from version 20 to version 21 -- took me about 1 hour 25
minutes -- 1 hour to download the tar.gz file, 20 minutes to configure, make,
and install and 5 minutes to adapt the path\to\runemacs.exe of my desktop
icons. Emacs 21 feels really great.
There's a minor issue, though. What should I do with the old emacs? I simply
can't delete it. It's been a friend for a very long time. I thought about
burning it on a CD-ROM and give it a place of honor on my wall of fame. What
do you think about it?
Thomas
Kai Großjohann
> There's a minor issue, though. What should I do with the old emacs?
> I simply can't delete it. It's been a friend for a very long time.
> I thought about burning it on a CD-ROM and give it a place of honor
> on my wall of fame. What do you think about it?
This seems like a very good solution, though `burning' sounds a little
harsh. Hm. Maybe you can use MO media to save it?
kai
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Nix
Incarnated in light, forevermore.
Yes, that sounds about right (although heathens would point out that
this would mark the first time that any recent Emacs has ever been
lightweight...)
--
`You're the only person I know who can't tell the difference
between a pair of trousers and a desk.' --- Kieran, to me
Richard Hoskins
I always 'C-x C-f /anon...@ftp.gnu.org/emacs RET' when ever I want
to visit my old friends.
--
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Thomas Gehrlein
There should be many more Emacsen out there - not just mine. What do other
people do with them? How about buying a server farm and setting up a home for
old and retired Emacsen? A place where they can edit small files and sit
around and talk about the good old days.
I really need some advice from more experienced users. What did you all do
with your Emacs 19 when Emacs 20 come out?
Thomas
Per Abrahamsen
> There should be many more Emacsen out there - not just mine. What
> do other people do with them? How about buying a server farm and
> setting up a home for old and retired Emacsen? A place where they
> can edit small files and sit around and talk about the good old
> days.
Don't worry about it, while the existence of the binaries of elder
Emacsen are limited in time (if not in space), their sources are
eternal and will live forever in CVS at the great Savannah of the
GNUs.
Luis Fernandes
tg> I really need some advice from more experienced users. What
tg> did you all do with your Emacs 19 when Emacs 20 come out?
I started out using The Beast (all the EE Department had was a UUCP
connection so whatever software came with the OS was what we
used). After we got net-access someone (who is now an XEmacs devotee)
downloaded 18.59 (I think; it's been a long time) and showed it to
me.
When 19.34 came out, that was the first Emacs I compiled and
installed. I was still using 19.34 until I got to try 21.0.103; and
if you note, I'm still using '106.
19.34 is still installed on the system-- I can't bear to delete
it. We upgraded our RAID recently, so space is not a problem. For now,
I'm just going to leave it there.
I doubt it'll run to my liking since most of my .emacs is now
commented-out because all those customizations used in 19.34 are
standard in the latest one.
Migration hint: comment out your entire .emacs when you run 21 and
everytime you find a feature missing, first check if it's part of the
distribution, if it is, enable it, else (very unlikely) uncomment the
relevant portion from your .emacs and invoke it from ~/lisp.
Luis Fernandes
...In the previous post, I forgot to mention what happened during the
migration from 18.59 to 19.34...
IIRC, I deleted 18.59 from the system after installing 19.34 and
making sure it worked fine; the entire filesystem was on a 720MB disk
so space was rather precious.
The disk with 19.34 was retired when we upgraded to a bigger
filesystem so 19.34 never got deleted.
I no longer work for that department so not knowing for certain, that
720 is probably on a shelf somewhere unless it was put into use for
something else like storage in which case it has been completely
formatted-- which sounds like a proper burial: ashes to ashes, dust
to dust, magnetic particles to magnetic particles.
Geoff Raye
where I stumble.
Thomas Gehrlein <thomas....@t-online.de> wrote:
>There should be many more Emacsen out there - not just mine. What do other
>people do with them? How about buying a server farm and setting up a home for
>old and retired Emacsen? A place where they can edit small files and sit
>around and talk about the good old days.
>
>I really need some advice from more experienced users. What did you all do
>with your Emacs 19 when Emacs 20 come out?
The encap package management system makes me happy.
manta/usr/local/encap% ls -ld *emacs*
drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 Nov 5 1997 emacs-20.2
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Oct 23 1999 xemacs-21.2.19
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 May 7 16:10 xemacs-21.4.1
Old versions can safely remain present without deletion and merely
symlinked into /usr/local as appropriate. This prevents me from the
religious crisis of mixing one Emacs with another.
In very rare occasions, my computer has failed to properly adapt to the
magnificience of a new XEmacs release. Since the so-called "beta"
releases are sometimes greater than my meager computer can properly
render into object code, I end up in meditation and reversion to an
older version before being ready to accept the latest representation of
the eternal Emacs. "Downgrading" (to use a horribly inappropriate word)
is easy when I keep previous versions present.
Geoff
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Brian P Templeton
about burying it (presumably waiting until I found a source of CD-ROMs
containing testing or unstable). But burying, while it is a fitting
end for all the packages containing variants of the eVIl editor, is
not appropriate for Emacs, so instead I thought about recycling it.
However, people are not going to like aluminum cans that double as
really fast tanks with various kinds of high-tech weaponry that can be
upgraded on the fly (no pun intended)--especially if their cans leap
out of their hands, expand into colossal, lightweight flying tanks,
and start attacking VI users. Therefore, it will simply rest in my CD
holder until the day TUNES arrives (<URL:http://www.tunes.org/>) and
all things Unixy shall burn and all VI-using C, C++, and Java
programmers shall be exiled (what? you want to know the fate of M$
Visual Studio-using C# programmers? they shall be punished by having
to use their own development tools for all eternity)--but the legacy
of Emacs will survive in the GPL'd, Lisp-based TUNES OS, without the
VIle traces of the eVIl editor to hinder it.
--
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backronym for Linux: \ / No HTML or RTF in mail
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Diego Martinez
> it seems like I can use *all* system fonts and not just 5 or 6 like
> with emacs 20 and it understands my .emacs and everything works out of > the box. It's really great.
Sorry, but you sound just a tad bit like Steve Jobs: ``It just works,
right out of the box!''
May the benediction of Emacs be with you always.
Diego.
dieg...@bu.edu
Brian P Templeton
absurd!
Emacs works right out of the *tarball*!
Nix
> Of course Emacs doesn't work right right out of the box! That's
> absurd!
>
> Emacs works right out of the *tarball*!
... although any longtime Emacs user will be extremely frustrated with
it until the Personal Huge Lump of Lisp has been dropped in, customizing
it all to taste...
(... 5,900 lines and counting... in lots of files, of course. There is
a sane upper limit on .emacs size.
or, as the XEmacs crew seem to want it to be called now,
.xemacs/init.el. The code to automigrate your .emacs to *that*
horribly-named file has been removed from my copy of XEmacs...)
--
`Many people have tried whispering in his ear, and indeed bellowing
with megaphones but up to now he's seemed to be completely
clue-immune.' --- John Winters
Henry Churchyard
Nix <$}xinix{$@esperi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, Brian P. Templeton muttered drunkenly:
>> Of course Emacs doesn't work right right out of the box! That's
>> absurd! Emacs works right out of the *tarball*!
> ... although any longtime Emacs user will be extremely frustrated
> with it until the Personal Huge Lump of Lisp has been dropped in,
> customizing it all to taste... (... 5,900 lines and counting... in
> lots of files, of course. There is a sane upper limit on .emacs
> size.
I've been using Emacs since 1989, yet my .emacs consists only of the
following:
(standard-display-european t)
(set-face-foreground 'default "blue")
(put 'downcase-region 'disabled nil)
(put 'upcase-region 'disabled nil)
Is that shameful? (However, while I have used Emacs fairly often --
using it right now to compose this message, in fact -- I really have
only used it as a text-editor, not as a compile tool, etc. etc.)
--
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Nix
> In article <873d335...@amaterasu.srvr.nix>,
> Nix <$}xinix{$@esperi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, Brian P. Templeton muttered drunkenly:
>> with it until the Personal Huge Lump of Lisp has been dropped in,
>> customizing it all to taste... (... 5,900 lines and counting... in
>> lots of files, of course. There is a sane upper limit on .emacs
>> size.
>
> I've been using Emacs since 1989, yet my .emacs consists only of the
> following:
>
> (standard-display-european t)
> (set-face-foreground 'default "blue")
> (put 'downcase-region 'disabled nil)
> (put 'upcase-region 'disabled nil)
>
> Is that shameful?
While not shameful, you are missing much of the power of the editor, I
think.
Feel free to steal chunks from, flame, &c my (admittedly rather
XEmacs-specific) config, at <http://www.esperi.demon.co.uk/nix/>...
(It might not be visible yet; it only went up six hours ago, and I don't
know if the various caches in the way have all updated.)
> (However, while I have used Emacs fairly often --
> using it right now to compose this message, in fact -- I really have
> only used it as a text-editor, not as a compile tool, etc. etc.)
You haven't used it to write source code at all?
I'm surprised you've got away with not setting fill-column, turning on
auto-fill-mode, &c...
--
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--- Alim Razim, for the Northern Alliance, demonstrating fine
command of traditional Afghan prisoner control techniques.
Henry Churchyard
Nix <$}xinix{$@esperi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On 14 Dec 2001, Henry Churchyard yowled:
>>In article <873d335...@amaterasu.srvr.nix>,
>>Nix <$}xinix{$@esperi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, Brian P. Templeton muttered drunkenly:
>>> ... although any longtime Emacs user will be extremely frustrated
>>> with it until the Personal Huge Lump of Lisp has been dropped in,
>>> customizing it all to taste... (... 5,900 lines and counting...
>> I've been using Emacs since 1989, yet my .emacs consists only of
>> the following:
>> (standard-display-european t)
>> (set-face-foreground 'default "blue")
>> (put 'downcase-region 'disabled nil)
>> (put 'upcase-region 'disabled nil)
>> Is that shameful? (However, while I have used Emacs fairly often
>> -- using it right now to compose this message, in fact -- I really
>> have only used it as a text-editor, not as a compile tool, etc.
> You haven't used it to write source code at all?
I have used it to write a lot of Awk/Gawk progs, but my preferred
formatting conventions clash radically with those of EMACS Awk-mode,
and Awk-mode actually isn't as good as Fundamental-mode in correctly
handling brackets or parenthesis characters escaped in quoted strings
etc., so, that I write Awk code in Fundamental-mode.
> I'm surprised you've got away with not setting fill-column, turning
> on auto-fill-mode, &c...
I don't really like auto-fill-mode (I would be constantly paranoid and
worrying about it wrapping something which is not really a paragraph);
I'm perfectly happy with pressing ESC-Q. The default fill-column is
fine for the small textfiles and Usenet messages I compose; if it's
not working out in one particular case, I'll change it on the fly.
One thing I really do like about Emacs is that in Fundamental-mode it
will wrap material quoted with "> " down the left edge while keeping
the "> " in place on the left margin (the first time I purely
accidentally invoked this feature, after the site admins had updated
Emacs from version 18 to version 19, or whatever it was, I was stunned
and delighted).
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