"DEATH TO YOU ALL, DEATH TO YOU ALL, DEATH TO YOU ALL."
Mr. Peabody's Buddy
Do what you want with my posts...I've much more to tell...like helping
fake the newspaper clippings of Paul's miracles....I worked in the
print shop where he staged all the phoney headlines....what a guy!!!!!
I've considered my own book, then Lane's came out. I discovered all
this BEFORE I ever heard of David Lane. The Julian Johnson stuff was
all well known, even Johnson's books were sold at the book table at
early seminars. No explanation why the same words were from two
sources but it was widly noted even back then.
I have nothing new to add to what Lane has documented, just different
sources. I must say, the Steiger tapes are awesome, hearing Paul in his
own voice creating the lie that he sold as his life in training to be a
savior. I remember going home and crying for hours it hurt so.
At this point, Paul is such distant history for Eckists he probably
isn't much of an issue anymore. Eckankar has come clean about SOME of
his life, at least givng more facts.
Some other intersting tid bits, Paul was agent for baseball player
Dizzy Dean but was fired for missmanagement of funds...which ended up
in his possession, he was also a promoter for Jimmy Durante and was
engaged to actress Ruth Hussy...till his wife found out. He was a
swimming coach at Ohio State University for a year. Camille told me
once they went to the fair and Paul paid the announcer 10 cents to page
him every 15 mintues so people would hear his name and know he was
there. He knew how to promote.
There's much more, I've not gone all over this in 25 years now.
Charlie will know me, I introduced him to some of the Twitchell's just
before we had the trial between Eckankar and Helen Fry's estate. We
were both advised to get out
of state before the trial. Then when Charlie was offered the cash to
lie in court, I was with him recording the conversation...which the
tape was played in court...and of course, Eckankar lost.
Anyway, it's been YEARS...but one funny note...and a bit of revenge.
The day Darwin was fired I was called by a friend in the office that he
was gone and I could get back in Eck...(Darwin kicked me out for owning
the Twitchell info and not giving it to him). I spoke with a few
Eckists in the office then with Harold and was back in, initiations
restored. I then called BB in Portland, figuring that's where Darwin
was...and spoke with him....the conversation was short...and
sweet...and on tape....
"Hey Darwin, for the past few years you were in and I was out, now I'm
in and YOU'RE out...how does it feel......silence.....DEATH TO YOU ALL,
DEATH TO YOU ALL, DEATH TO YOU ALL." and he hung
up............Revenge is sweet. LOL
Actually, I'm greatful for what I've learned in Eckankar. Its just so
amazing that you can put most anything down in writing with a bit of
truth here and there and some wisdom and some things that make sense
and thousands will
flock without question. No matter what the path, there are those that
will always do that. Maybe there is some great karmic lesson in it all
and maybe there is reincarnation and purification of soul....then
again, maybe not.
I've long since gotten over walking around with my fists clinched
tightly with anger over all of this. They lied, I believed and I
suffered. It happens. Some win some lose. It happens.
I also had some good times in Eckankar, was exposed to some spiritual
wisdom that follows me to this day that I may not have encountered in
any other way. I fondly remember Paul and his kindness to me in times
when my life was troubled.
Even though the lies, I can't be angry at the man.
I just watched The Music Man on tv tonight. That's kind of the Paul
Twitchell story...
By the way, the books that are so much in question were not written by
Paul, Spiritual Notebook, Key to Secret Worlds, Flute of God and both
Shariyats were all written by Brad Steiger. I know for a fact that he
got $12,000. each for
the Shariyats. I don't know the pay he got for the other books or if
there were royalties paid to Brad.
I definatly know for a fact about A.F (Anya Foos) as I was one of the
last people to see Paul alive and the third to see him dead (as A. F
and P. Y. 'cleaned' up the room to get A.F.'s belingings out before the
paramedics were called...and to dress Paul.
I was with V.W. when she finally got hold of Gail as to what to do.
She was floored when she found out that Gail was 'in the mountains'
with Darwin Gross. How funny, Paul and Annya and Gail and Darwin. At
least Paul died doing what he loved most!!
V. W. went to the morgue to identify the body per Gail's directions.
The only thing Gail wanted was a gold stick pin he wore (when dressed
with his chelas!!!). That was mailed to Gail that week.
I must say, all that went on that night has played in my mind all these
years. I was so disappointed yet still so drawn to Paul.
Big trouble went on in the Eckankar office esp after Darwin was chosen
as his successor. Chet Tuttle was later fired by Gail from Eckankar
when he confronted her with Paul's will and other documents stating he
had picked Louis
Bluth to be the next Eck master. This caused a big riff in the Eck
community and many dropped out of the path. Later, Gail and Darwin
married, that kind of finished it off for all the rest of the 'old
timers' that were involved with anyting to do with the office.
I had no idea Gail and Darwin were an item before the night Paul died.
But, Paul and A. F. were kind of known by the inner circle, he was not
that secretive in his affection toward her.
End Quote.
wernertrp
blue prints".
Fike continuous:
fike is a clone of fike
fike has a brother fake
fike likes himbeermarmelade
fike can be visited into the zoo
fike has no mirror picture
fike runs the voodoo down
fike has the restless leg syndrome
fike has the caspar hauser syndrome
fike runs down his last incarnation
fike has the multiple master syndrome
fike read 300.000 books
fike won the gold medal in jumping high
fike have had the first successful brain transplantation
fike is dancing asphalt tango
fike cannot stop
fike cannot be stopped except by fike
fike is not dead
fike is sleeping the sweet a.r.e. dream
fike has spiritual healing power
but who heals fike ?
fike has a secret passion he wear high heels
fike recommend: "Fike Salsa"
before fike make a soul-travel he eat two red hot pepper chillis
after fike comes the nil-fike
Fick fike !
Is fike feige ?
no.
fike is a fick fake at are.
fike, fick a.r.e. 150 times !
feixender fickender fike.
fick fike fick, fick are !
fike's dirty word count was 9
Wer heilt fike ?
Heil Fike.
werner-IV is fike's watcher, reporter, promoter, darling, follower,
really_dumb_ass
You sure? Perhaps the guns are aimed too high? Maybe too low? You have
a shot gun here so ithits everything within 20 feet or so. Know what I
mean.
Sandy Dollar
I know Darwin well enough to know that he would never make a comment
to you like this.
So this is "KAL" at work and using you as the instrument. As I remembered
one other time when I tried to e-mail you direct, you didn't have the guts
to put a real address, but used a fake one and this tells me the whole
story. You are wrong about Darwin.
Sandy$(Sally)
"Mr. Peabody's Buddy" <bud...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1128661511.0...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Start Quote.
wernertrp
is thinking or saying "death to you all death to you all.."
I think Darwin hang up without saying anything.
I think Gary was only thinking "death to you death to you..."
wernertrp
death to you death to you..."
wernertrp
My personal style is to hang up or
"death to you death to you" and a big laughter and hang up.
werner-IV und Gary lacht sich ins Fäustchen
Mr. Peabody's Buddy
> Dear Mr. Peabody's Buddy.
> I know Darwin well enough to know that he would never make a comment
> to you like this.
> So this is "KAL" at work and using you as the instrument. As I remembered
> one other time when I tried to e-mail you direct, you didn't have the guts
> to put a real address, but used a fake one and this tells me the whole
> story. You are wrong about Darwin.
> Sandy$(Sally)
>
Jeezus, what a Mensa.
What don't you understand about a quote? This is not my post or my
experience. It is Davids. No, not Dr. Lane.
My experience with Darwin was in his salad days of bedding the former
Mrs. Twitchell, helping her push Sunasu vitamins, getting laid by
anything ekkie in a skirt, and riding his Harley. Frankly, he towers
head and shoulders over the current Lying Ekkie Massa. At least he had
some style.
Eckankar couldn't exist w/o the mentally challenged. I got yer KAL
right here Sally. Ain't she a beaut??
BeeWallace
ANYA GLADLY BECAME PAUL'S TRAMP
ONE COUPLE LIKED IT OUTSIDE
ONE COUPLE LIKED IT INSIDE
TOO BAD ANYA GAVE PAUL A DIRT NAP!
Sandy Dollar
"Mr. Peabody's Buddy" <bud...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1128661511.0...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Don't you know that when you attack any master, you also attack the
SUGMAD. Right now I see you in this very big hole with a shovel. Is the
Karma worth all this??!! There is also "anger" here. This effects a
persons health. We have 12 living masters on the planet at all times.
These 12 all teach the light and sound(twin aspects of SUGMAD). It is only
the teachings here that matter.
Have you ever thought why BB has stayed with Darwin all these many
years? There is a reason. It is called "TRUTH". Paul had just passed
away. Here is a quote from "Heaven to the Prairie", the story of the 972nd
living master by Darwin Gross from page 109.
**************************************************************************
"Paul didn't leave anything in writing, didn't have to. But he
appeared to Gail and told her. She was in San Diego when he translated. I
was out on the road giving a lecture over in Idaho and on my way home. Most
of those who were very close to him weren't there. Gail was in touch with
Paul in the dream state and still is.
**************************************************************************
What is in the quote above is the truth. What is written below is
not truth. I do not have any bad thoughts towards Mr. Peabody's Buddy.
Just feel sad. Not sure whom you were quoting Mr.Peabody's Buddy, as you
have left out those details.
In the name of the Sugmad,
Sandy$(Sally Short)
**************************************************************************
> I was with V.W. when she finally got hold of Gail as to what to do.
> She was floored when she found out that Gail was 'in the mountains'
> with Darwin Gross. How funny, Paul and Annya and Gail and Darwin. At
> least Paul died doing what he loved most!!
>
> V. W. went to the morgue to identify the body per Gail's directions.
> The only thing Gail wanted was a gold stick pin he wore (when dressed
> with his chelas!!!). That was mailed to Gail that week.
> Big trouble went on in the Eckankar office esp after Darwin was chosen
leaf
> "Mr. Peabody's Buddy" <bud...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1128661511.0...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Dear Peabody's Buddy,
> Don't you know that when you attack any master, you also attack the
> SUGMAD.
Actually, I'd say this principle of which you speak more likely works
in exactly the opposite manner, in that it is the so-called "masters"
who are reaping karma for making attempts to enslave, control, and
exploit followers, which is a form of attack upon the innocent
spiritual seeker. Look at Twitchell, Gross, and Klemp, for example.
Twitchell died rather young, leaving a confusion of controversy in his
wake; Gross was discredited and rejected by his own followers after
sucumbing to drug and alcohol abuse; and now Klemp has a mysterious
illness (not to mention his history of bouts with certain other
disturbances of record) and exhibits signs of premature aging. Are you
certain the karma isn't really gathering around the masters?
One could say that an attack upon the vulnerable and gullible seeker of
enlightenment by these "masters" who harbor exploitive intentions is
more ap to produce undesirable counter-repercussions or karma.
Perhaps an attack upon the seeker (by the unscrrupulous master) is an
attack upon Sugmad.
Leaf
Mr. Peabody's Buddy
leaf wrote:
> Sandy Dollar wrote:
> > "Mr. Peabody's Buddy" <bud...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1128661511.0...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Dear Peabody's Buddy,
> > Don't you know that when you attack any master, you also attack the
> > SUGMAD.
>
>
>
> Actually, I'd say this principle of which you speak more likely works
> in exactly the opposite manner, in that it is the so-called "masters"
> who are reaping karma for making attempts to enslave, control, and
> exploit followers, which is a form of attack upon the innocent
> spiritual seeker. Look at Twitchell, Gross, and Klemp, for example.
> Twitchell died rather young, leaving a confusion of controversy in his
> wake; Gross was discredited and rejected by his own followers after
> sucumbing to drug and alcohol abuse; and now Klemp has a mysterious
> illness (not to mention his history of bouts with certain other
> disturbances of record) and exhibits signs of premature aging. Are you
> certain the karma isn't really gathering around the masters?
>
> One could say that an attack upon the vulnerable and gullible seeker of
> enlightenment by these "masters" who harbor exploitive intentions is
> more ap to produce undesirable counter-repercussions or karma.
> Perhaps an attack upon the seeker (by the unscrrupulous master) is an
> attack upon Sugmad.
>
> Leaf
As usual, very well said Leafeater. What is it in the human psyche that
compels it to label as "master" individuals you wouldn't want your
daughter to marry???
Humans are an odd bunch.
cher
> Sandy Dollar wrote:
>
>>"Mr. Peabody's Buddy" <bud...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1128661511.0...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>Dear Peabody's Buddy,
>> Don't you know that when you attack any master, you also attack the
>>SUGMAD.
>
>
>
>
> Actually, I'd say this principle of which you speak more likely works
> in exactly the opposite manner, in that it is the so-called "masters"
> who are reaping karma for making attempts to enslave, control, and
> exploit followers, which is a form of attack upon the innocent
> spiritual seeker. Look at Twitchell, Gross, and Klemp, for example.
> Twitchell died rather young, leaving a confusion of controversy in his
> wake; Gross was discredited and rejected by his own followers after
> sucumbing to drug and alcohol abuse; and now Klemp has a mysterious
> illness (not to mention his history of bouts with certain other
> disturbances of record) and exhibits signs of premature aging. Are you
> certain the karma isn't really gathering around the masters?
>
> One could say that an attack upon the vulnerable and gullible seeker of
> enlightenment by these "masters" who harbor exploitive intentions is
> more ap to produce undesirable counter-repercussions or karma.
> Perhaps an attack upon the seeker (by the unscrrupulous master) is an
> attack upon Sugmad.
>
> Leaf
Well first of all, believing the vivid lies of DavidP is an assault on
sanity. <smile> The guy has been lying about his so called experiences
with Eckankar for as long as I've known him. Other people who have dealt
with him can tell you as well... his lies never pan out when people
check the evidence. <shrug> It's like the guys who create crop circles
and then laugh at the uproar in the press. <shrug> If it's your game...
so be it. <smile>
Secondly.... any fool can create a strawman argument that supports their
viewpoint. But they're in trouble when they expect others to believe it
as truth, because that means the person building it has lost contact
with their authentic self. <shrug> Remember the old adage about
opinions? <smile>
Ken
"Mr. Peabody's Buddy" <bud...@hotmail.com> wrote ...
>
> Sandy Dollar wrote:
>> Dear Mr. Peabody's Buddy.
>> I know Darwin well enough to know that he would never make a comment
>> to you like this.
>> So this is "KAL" at work and using you as the instrument. As I remembered
>> one other time when I tried to e-mail you direct, you didn't have the guts
>> to put a real address, but used a fake one and this tells me the whole
>> story. You are wrong about Darwin.
>> Sandy$(Sally)
>>
>
> Jeezus, what a Mensa.
>
> What don't you understand about a quote? This is not my post or my
> experience. It is Davids. No, not Dr. Lane.
David? You mean that guy who spun out all kinds of stories
some of which were clearly wrong? Oh yeah, now THAT'S
someone I'd go quoting. (If I wanted to discredit myself, that
is).
really_dumb_ass
If there are any "Masters" in the classic sense, they are the servants
of mankind, trying to help all people raise their level. Revenge and
acts of revenge are signs of being trapped in the duality and certainly
mark a person as "Not really a Master." If there are 12 such teachers
in the world my hope is they are nto spending their time exacting
revenge on those who do not believe.
Rich
You might find this info about the time of Paul's translation
interesting.
It was just last year that I found out from a friend of Gail's two
interesting things. Gail told this person that she was camping with
some friends she had stayed close with from High School days.
She also told this person that after she finally got home she discovered
a paper still in Paul's typewriter, with information that indicated that
Darwin was the new Living ECK Master.
As I recall she was very much opposed to being the one to do this. And
yes, she also received a confirmation in the dream state, as well as
from some of the 8th initiates. So it was really all these that pushed
her, against her will, to hand the blue carnation to Darwin on Oct 22,
1971.
This friend of mine also said(which confirms your quote below) that
Darwin was in Idaho doing an introductory talk at the time. His car had
broken down on the way home, and it was a couple of days before he was
contacted.
As to the other quote, that person has been shown to have said several
other things that have also been proven to be false.
Here's a excerpt from an interview with Gail before she married Darwin,
and long before someone started making up this vicious prurient gossip.
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The ECK World News July 1973
Gail:
When Darwin came into the position he now holds I didn't know him
as an individual at all. Even though he had gone to London with Paul
and gone to many of the seminars I really wasn't on a personal basis
with him and so at first I was apprehensive and wondering if I could be
flexible enough to work with Darwin as much as I could with Paul.
<SNIP>
EWN:
In other words there is no way that anyone could describe you as
an oppressed female?
Gail:
No. Not according to me anyway because I had all the freedom I
wanted and I think sometimes people can have too much freedom
if they don't know how to handle it. Paul solved all my needs and
we had a terrific marriage. I always felt as an individual and I
think people should remain individuals, but I think they still need
to relate to other people.
EWN:
Would you say that you are a proponent of the open marriage contract
wherein one grows into his own areas while at the same time maintains
a great respect for the other?
Gail:
Well not open marriage in the same sense that擁f you don't want to be
faithful to your husband you don't have to. I don't go that far in
the open marriage part. I believe that people can remain individuals
and still have a closed marriage and still not feel oppressed.
For me悠 can, because I only need one other person to be happy.
My happiness comes from sharing life with one other person COMPLETELY.
Other than that I can stand on my own completely. I don't need the
open marriage type freedom to come and go as I please. I need
freedom within a marriage.
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Finally, another interesting fact is that Doc Bluth had previously tried
to take over the Rosicrucian group too.
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"Sandy Dollar" <sandy...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Rich
"really_dumb_ass" <really_...@yahoo.com> wrote
> Sandy
>
> If there are any "Masters" in the classic sense, they are the servants
> of mankind, trying to help all people raise their level. Revenge and
> acts of revenge are signs of being trapped in the duality and
> certainly mark a person as "Not really a Master."
What "revenge" are you referring to? Darwin suing Eckankar? I don't
think that was revenge. I think he was mad because he believed he was
right, but the courts found he wasn't.
cher
Yeah.... DavidP! <sigh> That's why gary cut and pasted the post without
attribution... the author is such an embarrassment to the detractors
they can't post the guys name! <shaking her head>
simon
The Eckankar directive is to ease up on the disemination of karmic
threths...
The reason being is that the threat returns to the sender....Harolds
sickness isnt because he is taking on your karma. Its because he is
recieving the threats that he is giving. Sooo, you might want to
follow the new Eckankar directive and ease up on the threats....You
will feel much better in the morning....By the way, how in your "in the
name of the Sugmad" tallisman working for you?
really_dumb_ass
open to an automatic retaliation. In my concept of a "master" these
kinds of negative reactions are not allowed. ( I Understand the concept
of a surrounding light/sound shield but a master is a master is a
master, or perhaps not.) They are not part of the master middle path.
The word revenge probably should have been "automatic retatliaiton". In
my opinion Darwin and Harold did not exhibit behaviour appropriate to a
master walking on the middle path. I was not thinking of them in this
post, but you are right. Darwin was probably "Mad", and Harold also
seems to have been guided by some negative and personal emotions. They
each had some moments of emotional attachment here.
Rich
"really_dumb_ass" <really_...@yahoo.com> wrote
> I was speaking to Sandy who posted that those who "attack" a master
> are open to an automatic retaliation.
Hmmm... I misunderstood because she didn't write anything about
"automatic retaliation". Check back if you care.
> In my concept of a "master" these
> kinds of negative reactions are not allowed.
OK We can talk hypothetically about that, but this is not about what
she wrote or what I know about Harold's 'reaction' to Darwin's behavior.
Check this out: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y250562DB
Anyway, hypothetically, you disallow every master that has negative
reactions like the stories Eckankar's detractors attribute to Harold and
Darwin? So, it follows that you don't allow the existence of any
genuine spiritual master in your reality. That is based on my
hypothetical assumption that there is no human without negative aspects.
> ( I Understand the concept
> of a surrounding light/sound shield but a master is a master is a
> master, or perhaps not.) They are not part of the master middle path.
That held no meaning for me...
> The word revenge probably should have been "automatic retatliaiton".
> In my opinion Darwin and Harold did not exhibit behaviour appropriate
> to a master walking on the middle path.
> I was not thinking of them in this
> post, but you are right. Darwin was probably "Mad", and Harold also
> seems to have been guided by some negative and personal emotions. They
> each had some moments of emotional attachment here.
Is your opinion based on first hand experience with either of the men
acting negatively towards each other? Or did you ever have personal
experience them acting negatively at any time?(I did BTW) Or is it, as I
suspect, based solely on information from Eckankar's detractors?
Etznab
to take over the Rosicrucian group too. [... .]"
Thanks for sharing that information.
Henosis Sage
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2005 at 5:15:49 AM UTC-5, Rich wrote:
> > Aloha Sally,
> >
> > You might find this info about the time of Paul's translation
> > interesting.
>
> "[...] Finally, another interesting fact is that Doc Bluth had previously tried
> to take over the Rosicrucian group too. [... .]"
>
> Thanks for sharing that information.
like that.
More info on 'stories'
1971-09-17 Gail Twitchell on Paul's translation, Marriage, DG appointment as LEM
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPcGh2Q2N2RFpaMEE/view?usp=sharing
I missed mentioning in doc above that what DG says that Gail was
in San Diego which isn't correct, or doesn't appear to be so.
But lot's of people get muddled in recounting what happened and when.
Doesn't mean it is intentional. People still spread stories they believe
are true. It's hard to know all the details.
I'm not perturbed or judgmental about who people are 'dating' - but knowing
about such relationships or speaking of them doesn't mean much nor a guilt trip.
In Paulji a Memoir pg 302-, Patti writes:
"He was breaking with pattern on this trip. In
his seminar trips he always took either Helen, me.
or Gail, or any combination of the three. This time
he was going without any of us and taking another
ECKist instead. It was strange, indeed."
Comment:
From other 'reports' this seems a clear mention of Anya Foos-Graber,
who traveled with Paul to Ohio and recorded him at their business
meeting there on the 16th, and was the first person to find him having
a heart attack and dying.
"The night before he was due to leave, the fifteenth,
the phone rang at about eight o'clock. It
was Paulji. He said he'd just called up to say good
bye; he was leaving in the morning. This struck
me as terribly odd. He had never, never, in all the
time I'd known him, called my house at night. He
sounded tired and was grumbling that he didn't
really want to go."
[...]
"The next night, at one-thirty a.m., California
time, I got the call that said Paulji had translated in
Cincinnati. The people could not get Gail on the
phone and asked me to keep trying to reach her to
let her know. I stayed up the rest of the night trying
to contact her, not knowing that she was out of
town. At four-thirty in the morning, I scribbled a
letter to myself and to all the powers that be.
[...]
pg 304
"By early morning, I was exhausted from the
efforts to call Gail. Finally I telephoned the local
police department in Del Mar and explained the
problem. I asked them to put a note on her front
door which merely requested her to call me when
she got home.
"Gail did call and before I even had a chance to
say anything she said, "It's Paul, isn't it? He's
gone." I said, "Yes." Gail told me that she had
known it was going to happen. She'd been camping
in the mountains with friends. In the night
lying there in her sleeping bag under the stars she
had known.
"Gail did a magnificent job of accepting what
had to be. She had never really been on her own
since college, and now she put all Paulji had
taught her into action. She dealt with life as if it
were not the least bit frightening, but a challenge
and a chance for her to try her wings. If she was
not really Mighty Mouse before, she certainly was
then.
"In the fourteen years since his translation
Paulji has come around now and then-not often
but always when I really needed his counsel. But
in the early days, right after he left, he was
around frequently."
So these are Patti's thoughts in her 1985 book.
and before that Gail's perspectives.
fwiw
Alexi Grahame
> Dear Mr. Peabody's Buddy.
> I know Darwin well enough to know that he would never make a comment
> to you like this.
> So this is "KAL" at work and using you as the instrument. As I remembered
> one other time when I tried to e-mail you direct, you didn't have the guts
> to put a real address, but used a fake one and this tells me the whole
> story. You are wrong about Darwin.
Sandy$(Sally)
A. G.
Etznab
Etznab
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/Qc_zFMqGv2c/IB-5haSpCgAJ
Looks that way to me.
Henosis Sage
>
> J.R. pretending to be someone else, creating pseudo history and defaming one more poster? This Alexi Grahame is J.R.?
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/Qc_zFMqGv2c/IB-5haSpCgAJ
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> Looks that way to me.
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