Every Eckist who gets on these things trys to be so clever, so witty always thinking you have the last bark. But most of what you say doesnt contain one bit of original thought. Your always quoting some book, Paul, Harold, Fubbi, Rebazar....not sure if he is still on the in list. Do you have an original thought that hasnt been programmed into you by the Eck management. Eck is a business thats all it is....Your all these pathetic lost souls who cant get your lives together on your own so you seek out some crutch. With all cults you need some human you elevate to such a Godlike status....Thats to satisfy your insecurity that you are not worthy enough on your own. Its like a child waiting for parental approval. These Eck initiations...what do you need these for? Its silly. So you have one Eckist at a higher level than another. Ive seen how it all plays out. These higher level initiates arent always such good people. That ran rampant in the late 60's and early 70"s.. There only in it for the money. I saw 1st hand how Eck sapped the life , energy and all her talent from one women who was extremely close to Paul. They took her money, her time from her family, and eventually her life with promises that her breast cancer will be healed. She believed that crud. I believethat she would had sought treatment if Eck hadnt promised her an inner healing, or maybe she was so obsessed with Paul that shed rather die thinking she would be with him on " those wonderful inner planes '. Oh yes , to heck with her family she left behind. One last thing,,,to the wonderfull Eckist business office personnel who wrote The Letter in 1974, " Sorry to hear about Ruths death. Please send back all the books she had to sell to her sat sang group" Its all about money isnt it? To quote an important man of our times .... M. Jagger "You cant always get what you want, but if you try sometimes ...you get what you need" Well Ive waited since '74 to get what I needed. I cant have my mom back but I sure got what I needed in telling you mindless pseudo spiritual backstabbing money sucking temple building fools what I think. You dont need this crap,. you aready have the answers yourself. Just look inside.
On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:13:45 -0500 (EST) nightskyfl...@webtv.net wrote:
> Well Ive waited since '74 to get what I needed.
I cant have my mom back but I sure got what I needed in telling
> you mindless pseudo spiritual backstabbing money sucking > temple building fools what I think. > You dont need this crap,. you aready have the > answers yourself. Just look inside.
ummm, that would have been Kate that wrote the letter about Ruth. She's sorry. She's not in Eckankar anymore.
Lurk -- Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email -- always at Talkway. http://www.talkway.com
>Every Eckist who gets on these things trys to >be so clever, so witty always thinking you have the last bark. But most >of what you say doesnt contain one bit of original thought. Your always >quoting some book, Paul, Harold, Fubbi, Rebazar....not sure if he is >still on the in list. Do you have an original thought that hasnt been >programmed into you by the Eck management. Eck is a business thats all >it is....Your all these >pathetic lost souls who cant get your lives together on your own so you >seek out some crutch. With all cults you need some human you elevate >to such a Godlike status....Thats >to satisfy your insecurity that you are not worthy enough on your own. >Its like a child waiting for parental approval. These Eck >initiations...what >do you need these for? Its silly. So you have >one Eckist at a higher level than another. Ive >seen how it all plays out. These higher level >initiates arent always such good people. That >ran rampant in the late 60's and early 70"s.. >There only in it for the money. I saw 1st hand how Eck sapped the life >, energy and all her talent from one women who was extremely close to >Paul. They took her money, her time from her family, and eventually >her life with promises that her breast cancer will be healed. >She believed that crud. I believethat she would >had sought treatment if Eck hadnt promised >her an inner healing, or maybe she was so obsessed with Paul that shed >rather die thinking she would be with him on " those wonderful inner >planes '. Oh yes , to heck with her family she left behind. One last >thing,,,to the wonderfull Eckist business office personnel who wrote >The Letter in 1974, " Sorry to hear about Ruths death. Please send back >all the books she had to sell to her sat sang group" Its all about >money isnt it? >To quote an important man of our times .... >M. Jagger "You cant always get what you want, >but if you try sometimes ...you get what you need" Well Ive waited >since '74 to get what I >needed. I cant have my mom back but I sure got what I needed in telling >you mindless >pseudo spiritual backstabbing money sucking >temple building fools what I think. >You dont need this crap,. you aready have the >answers yourself. Just look inside.
you seem so anger. you title this message, "get a life people!" so why are you here?
you detractors seem to have the problem...you hate Eckankar. so as you say, "get a life" and leave Eckankar to those who care to be a part of it.
> I saw 1st hand how Eck sapped the life > >, energy and all her talent from one women who was extremely close to > >Paul. They took her money, her time from her family, and eventually > >her life with promises that her breast cancer will be healed. > >She believed that crud. I believethat she would > >had sought treatment if Eck hadnt promised > >her an inner healing, or maybe she was so obsessed with Paul that shed > >rather die thinking she would be with him on " those wonderful inner > >planes '. Oh yes , to heck with her family she left behind. One last > >thing,,,to the wonderfull Eckist business office personnel who wrote > >The Letter in 1974, " Sorry to hear about Ruths death. Please send back > >all the books she had to sell to her sat sang group" Its all about > >money isnt it? Well Ive waited > >since '74 to get what I > >needed. I cant have my mom back but I sure got what I needed in telling > >you mindlesspseudo spiritual backstabbing money sucking > >temple building fools what I think. You dont need this crap,. you aready have the > >answers yourself. Just look inside.
Jackie the Friendly Eckist Wrote:
> you seem so anger. you title this message, "get a life > people!" so why are you here?
Duh, Jackie...did you read the letter? Hey...people lose their mothers for a lot of reasons, and yeah...some of them take years and years to get over it. And it's not uncommon when people lose a loved one for them to get angry about it....
Oh...except HORRORS!!! How DARE someone get mad at ECKANKAR, the highest path to God, the path of LOVE....
You know, Jackie...the woman was an Eckist. In other "religions" there's usually a pastor/priest or something to be there for the mourners. And generally other members of the church, too.
Why didn't some Eckists maybe at least sit down with this person & sing "HU" when they lost their mother? Hey...then they could have picked up all the books & sold them elsewhere? Where were the Eckists from this woman's Satsang?
> you detractors seem to have the problem...you hate > Eckankar. so as you say, "get a life" and leave Eckankar > to those who care to be a part of it.
It's not a "detractor", Jackie...it's a human being.
And excuse me...but as it's been noted I have a bit of a problem revealing private information...but this person just got on the Internet at Christmas....and in case you're wondering, there was no private correspondence between us until tonight...because I just wanted to tell them I hoped they could get over the anger & focus on their mother's love a little bit.
And that's really none of your fucking business....but I just want you to know....that wasn't a detractor, it was a human being.
But obviously...it wasn't a potential CONVERT so you wouldn't be interested....
Go HU, friendly Eckist...and shove the blue orb where the son don't shine!!!!
In article <Pine.A32.3.93.990115224937.99572A-100...@cub.kcnet.org>, Sharon V Comstock <scoms...@cub.kcnet.org> wrote:
> Jackie the Friendly Eckist Wrote:
> > you seem so anger. you title this message, "get a life > > people!" so why are you here?
> Duh, Jackie...did you read the letter? Hey...people lose their > mothers for a lot of reasons, and yeah...some of them take years > and years to get over it. And it's not uncommon when people > lose a loved one for them to get angry about it....
Agreed. I believe Jackie was referring to the author's post title.
> Oh...except HORRORS!!! How DARE someone get mad at ECKANKAR, > the highest path to God, the path of LOVE....
Well here I think we are used to that . . . at least when you are around:)
> You know, Jackie...the woman was an Eckist. In other "religions" > there's usually a pastor/priest or something to be there for the > mourners. And generally other members of the church, too.
Hmmmm. . .. there is in our area. Eckist clergy also visit hospitals and hospice regularly. I thought this was done everywhere.
> Why didn't some Eckists maybe at least sit down with this person & > sing "HU" when they lost their mother? Hey...then they could > have picked up all the books & sold them elsewhere? Where were > the Eckists from this woman's Satsang?
I guess time may be a factor. When did this occur? Nowadays I believe that would have happened. An ESA or RESA would have been there to help . . . . but again . . . in rural areas . . . well I honestly cannot say.
> > you detractors seem to have the problem...you hate > > Eckankar. so as you say, "get a life" and leave Eckankar > > to those who care to be a part of it.
> It's not a "detractor", Jackie...it's a human being.
Can a human being not also be a detractor.
If you do not like the word detractor . . . invent another one and pitch it to the group.
> And excuse me...but as it's been noted I have a bit of a problem > revealing private information...
actually I think the problem is you reveal too much information. Thousands of posts of information:)
but this person just got on the
> Internet at Christmas....and in case you're wondering, there was > no private correspondence between us until tonight...because I > just wanted to tell them I hoped they could get over the anger & > focus on their mother's love a little bit.
Oh Goodie . . . . now you can have your own disciple too.
> And that's really none of your fucking business....but I just want > you to know....that wasn't a detractor, it was a human being.
Strong language for a Granny. Do you kiss your gandkids with that mouth?
> But obviously...it wasn't a potential CONVERT so you wouldn't be > interested....
Not too many converts here:) Lots of detractors though:)
> Go HU, friendly Eckist...and shove the blue orb where the son > don't shine!!!!
Sharon wrote: : And one woman, a mother, died of breast cancer because of
Paul Twitchell, : because she believed.
Ken wrote:
Sharon, this is pathetic. The death of a loved one is difficult at best. Taking someone elses personal tragedy and twisting it to your own ends is manipulative and nasty.
I agree with you totally here, Ken...yes, the death of a loved one is difficult.
I thought it was a bit manipulative and nasty of "Jackie the friendly Eckist" when all she saw in nightskyflyer's post was an angry Eckankar-hating detractor, and ignored the pain of a child who'd lost its mother because the mother beleived in Twitchell & Eckankar.
No doubt the mother believed Twitchell's claims to be the Godman, (go back over the quote I posted that you said was "nice")....
Here's another SKS II quote: This one from page 146, right after Lai Tsi's version of the 25th Psalm, by the way...so these are actually Lai Tsi's words as dictated to Paul Twitchell...
"All those who gaze upon the countenance of the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master, shall be lifted up spiritually and be healed of all their afflictions." (I'll post more "context" separately...)
And here's a repost of nightskyflyer's post...and Jackie's response to it. I think since the child (now grown) was there...well...he/she has more of a right to speak about the reasons for the mother's death than anyone else does...incidentally...nightskyflyer happened to be in college when his/her mother died...
Re: Get a LIfe People! Author: HU4God <hu4...@aol.comnospam>Date: 1999/01/15Forum: alt.religion.eckankar more headers author posting history ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Every Eckist who gets on these things trys to >be so clever, so witty always thinking you have the last bark. But most >of what you say doesnt contain one bit of original thought. Your always >quoting some book, Paul, Harold, Fubbi, Rebazar....not sure if he is >still on the in list. Do you have an original thought that hasnt been >programmed into you by the Eck management. Eck is a business thats all >it is....Your all these >pathetic lost souls who cant get your lives together on your own so you >seek out some crutch. With all cults you need some human you elevate >to such a Godlike status....Thats >to satisfy your insecurity that you are not worthy enough on your own. >Its like a child waiting for parental approval. These Eck >initiations...what >do you need these for? Its silly. So you have >one Eckist at a higher level than another. Ive >seen how it all plays out. These higher level >initiates arent always such good people. That >ran rampant in the late 60's and early 70"s.. >There only in it for the money. I saw 1st hand how Eck sapped the life >, energy and all her talent from one women who was extremely close to >Paul. They took her money, her time from her family, and eventually >her life with promises that her breast cancer will be healed. >She believed that crud. I believethat she would >had sought treatment if Eck hadnt promised >her an inner healing, or maybe she was so obsessed with Paul that shed >rather die thinking she would be with him on " those wonderful inner >planes '. Oh yes , to heck with her family she left behind. One last >thing,,,to the wonderfull Eckist business office personnel who wrote >The Letter in 1974, " Sorry to hear about Ruths death. Please send back >all the books she had to sell to her sat sang group" Its all about >money isnt it? >To quote an important man of our times .... >M. Jagger "You cant always get what you want, >but if you try sometimes ...you get what you need" Well Ive waited >since '74 to get what I >needed. I cant have my mom back but I sure got what I needed in telling >you mindless >pseudo spiritual backstabbing money sucking >temple building fools what I think. >You dont need this crap,. you aready have the >answers yourself. Just look inside.
(and Jackie responds...)
you seem so anger. you title this message, "get a life people!" so why are you here?
you detractors seem to have the problem...you hate Eckankar. so as you say, "get a life" and leave Eckankar to those who care to be a part of it.
your friendly eckist,
* * * * * * * * * * * *
Jackie ~~~~~~~ @-->-->-- ~~~~~~~
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From the Intro: "The Ancient Scriptures of ECKANKAR, the Ancient Science of Soul Travel brought to light for the first time.
Book Two is the second section of the works of the SHARIYAT-KI-SUGMAD which was dictated by Yaubl Sacabi, the great ECK master, at the Gare-Hire Temple of Wisdom at Agam Des in the Himalaya Mountains.
The SHARIYAT KI SUGMAD contains the wisdom and ecstatic knowledge of those planes of the spiritual worlds, beyond the regions of time and space. To read and study this highly inspired book will give the reader an insight into the scriptures of the Temples of Golden Wisdom.
The essence of God knowledge is laid down in these writings. Those who follow ECK are involved in the SHARIYAT KI SUGMAD for it is their bible, the everlasting gospel. All worldly doctrines on religions, philosophies, and sacred writings are the offsprings of the SHARIYAT KI SUGMAD"
Chapter Nine: The Visions of Lai Tsi...page 146...
(25th Psalm thing)
"If you work, if you study, if you love, if you contemplate, and if you do any of these things for the love of truth or the love of the SUGMAD, then, whether you know it or not, you are already practicing the works of ECK.
All those who gaze upon the countenance of the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master, shall be lifted up spiritually and be healed of all their afflictions. This is the right act which strikes a cord that extends throughout the whole universe, touches all spiritual intelligence, visits every world, vibrates along its whole extent, and conveys its vibrations to the very bosom of the SUGMAD.
Therefore, anyone who has been healed of all their afflictions by gazing upon the countenance of the MAHANTA, the Living ECK Master, shall find that not only does it assist them in every way, but it shall, as stated above, vibrate to the extent of the whole world and help those nearest him with astonishing results.
The SUGMAD never appears in the flesh except as the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master, and only in the consciousness of men as the ECK."
Oh...and from the freebie newbie book, page 4:
"Our basic text is the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, which means Way of the Eternal. It is the holy scriptures of Eckankar. Several chapters of ECKANKAR--Ancient Wisdom for Today (freebie book) open with a quote from the Shariyat."
"Our teacher and mentor is the Living ECK Master. Eckankar is never without a living Master."
Page 5: "When Paul Twitchell introduced Eckankar to the modern world in 1965, he separated spiritual truths from the cultural trappings which had surrounded them...he became the Living ECK Master."
Page 6: (Harold & Reb see Paul on the higher planes walking beside a woman on a beach) "The woman had tried to commit suicide, but the Mahanta stepped in to prevent it. For months thereafter, he took her out of the body at night..."
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> I thought it was a bit manipulative and nasty of "Jackie the friendly >Eckist" when all she saw in nightskyflyer's post was an angry >Eckankar-hating detractor, and ignored the pain of a child who'd lost its >mother because the mother beleived in Twitchell & Eckankar.
> I thought it was a bit manipulative and nasty of "Jackie the friendly >Eckist" when all she saw in nightskyflyer's post was an angry >Eckankar-hating detractor,
BS, you have no idea how ridiculous you sound.
I was NOT responding to their experience. Just their hate.
There are 2 individuals on a.r.e. who are quite unbalanced. You might want to watch out for them.
One of them is a lady who claims to have been an ex-Eckist. Her name is Sharon Comstock. She has posted several thousand posts here in the last 9 months with 2-3 different addresses, but you can always tell a Sharon post. It says a little bit about a ton of stuff, but says nothing of substance about anything. By all means read all of her stuff, if you have the time. But be aware that she is the only person here who knows for sure if she ever was an Eckist. And at times she is not always clear on that herself:)
The other person posts as ARELURKER and also recently as Wagstaff. This newsgroup has had trouble with people being hacked. It has occurred a number of times to both Eckists and non-Eckists. But the majority of those hacked are those Known as detractors. ARELURKER is the second most prolific detractor poster after Sharon Comstock. He used to be quite an interesting person to talk with but since he has recently been hacked he has become quite unruly. The SPAM you see cluttering up the newsgroup comes from Lurk and also from Sharon who seems to copying Lurk.
Lurk has threatened to do this if people posted things he does not like here. Sharon does the same thing.
So you decide.
Sharon Comstock and ARELURKER are working very hard to stifle all discussion here. What do you think about that?
HU4God wrote in message <19990204180501.26737.00000...@ng-ca1.aol.com>... >> I thought it was a bit manipulative and nasty of "Jackie the friendly >>Eckist" when all she saw in nightskyflyer's post was an angry >>Eckankar-hating detractor,
>BS, you have no idea how ridiculous you >sound.
>I was NOT responding to their experience. >Just their hate.
>So keep talking and sound ridiculous.
Sometimes I wonder about Sharon...
Oh dear... I am using on of those new fangled keyboards. The one with the curly keyboard, and it is really difficult for me to express myself. Blah blah yadda yadda...
I guess that happens when you get a little "bent" <G>
Love
Michael
(From yet another computer as my phone line isn't working right.
> There are 2 individuals on a.r.e. who are quite unbalanced. You might want > to watch out for them.
> One of them is a lady who claims to have been an ex-Eckist. Her name is > Sharon Comstock. She has posted several thousand posts here in the last 9 > months with 2-3 different addresses, but you can always tell a Sharon > post. It says a little bit about a ton of stuff, but says nothing of > substance about anything. By all means read all of her stuff, if you have > the time. But be aware that she is the only person here who knows for sure > if she ever was an Eckist. And at times she is not always clear on that > herself:)
> The other person posts as ARELURKER and also recently as Wagstaff.
Again, not true Glen.
This
> newsgroup has had trouble with people being hacked. It has occurred a > number of times to both Eckists and non-Eckists.
This true there has been cloning by outside people. I believe eckists have used the real cloning as cover in their misdirection efforts.
But the majority of those
> hacked are those Known as detractors. ARELURKER is the second most > prolific detractor poster after Sharon Comstock. He used to be quite an > interesting person to talk with but since he has recently been hacked he > has become quite unruly. The SPAM you see cluttering up the newsgroup > comes from Lurk and also from Sharon who seems to copying Lurk.
I haven't sent any spam. But I could see where an eckist would spam the NG and then come on and accuse detractors of being the spamers.
> Lurk has threatened to do this if people posted things he does not like here. > Sharon does the same thing.
Not true Glen. I said I would start posting analysis of the discourses as a way for people to know it was me posting to cut down on the confusion. That's not spam, that's grueling work.....having to read Harold's writing.
> So you decide.
> Sharon Comstock and ARELURKER are working very hard to stifle all > discussion here. > What do you think about that?
As usual, Glen telegraphs his intentions and his plots.
> There are 2 individuals on a.r.e. who are quite unbalanced. You might want > to watch out for them.
> One of them is a lady who claims to have been an ex-Eckist. Her name is > Sharon Comstock. She has posted several thousand posts here in the last 9 > months with 2-3 different addresses, but you can always tell a Sharon > post. It says a little bit about a ton of stuff, but says nothing of > substance about anything. By all means read all of her stuff, if you have > the time. But be aware that she is the only person here who knows for sure > if she ever was an Eckist. And at times she is not always clear on that > herself:)
Yeah...I'd better remind everyone...I post under the above, under twinkle2...@my-dejanews.com and demonspa...@my-dejanews.com and most recently sharon2...@my-dejanews.com
I'm much easier to keep track of than Glen...who has used so many I'm sure he doesn't even remember. Also, as Glen points out, my posts are easily recognized by my "style" (or lack of it). Look for hatred, anger, rambling, confusion, and the phrases "sort of" and "kind of" I think have been pointed out...
Actually...I say a whole lot about the insignificance of Eckankar.
You can't always spot Glen...or whatever name he uses...sometimes he acts real nice, sometimes he's not...but that's okay, because it's all in service to Eckankar, the True Faith.
Was I an Eckist? <tee-gee> Well...I think I already confessed...way back in the early 80's I was contacted by David Lane and a secret cabal of Eckankar Detractors...I was sent in as a double agent in service to the Kal...I would sign up for the discourses & all that stuff, go to Satsangs & stuff, sneak into seminars & get phony name tags...tee hee even on the inner, well...I had them all fooled. Yes...I even fooled Nathan, an ESA according to himself...and ha ha what I did to Michael Wallace when he was moderator of Chela-Chat...snuck in there simply because as a double agent I had access to the secret & holy Mystic World...to get on the closed ecklists you must prove you are an Eckist by quoting a few lines from the most recent issue...and ha ha poor MW had to read through all my rambling posts there too...
I even fooled the Eckankar International Office, and Harold, the Mahanta, the Living Eck Master....
In article <36BAF0DD.23D79...@mindspring.com>, arelur...@mindspring.com wrote: > glen wrote:
> > The other person posts as ARELURKER and also recently as Wagstaff.
> Again, not true Glen.
Your header numbers are identical. The posts are coming from you in Atlanta.
> This > > newsgroup has had trouble with people being hacked. It has occurred a > > number of times to both Eckists and non-Eckists.
> This true there has been cloning by outside people. I > believe eckists have used the real cloning as cover in their > misdirection efforts.
But you fail to offer even one shred of proof.
Why dear reader . . . because there are none. Pick a newsgroup at random and you will likely find someone complaining about hacking or misidentity issues. It is rampant on the Usenet.
Lurk uses this phenomena to his own advantage, playing the victim, pretending that there is some plot to get him.
Which is silly. Lurk has not posted a meaningful post in years. He has offered all he has to offer to the debate and so has reinvented himself as the a.r.e. equivalent of those people who jump out in front of cars so that they can sue the driver.
> But the majority of those > > hacked are those Known as detractors. ARELURKER is the second most > > prolific detractor poster after Sharon Comstock. He used to be quite an > > interesting person to talk with but since he has recently been hacked he > > has become quite unruly. The SPAM you see cluttering up the newsgroup > > comes from Lurk and also from Sharon who seems to copying Lurk.
> I haven't sent any spam. But I could see where an eckist > would spam the NG and then come on and accuse detractors of > being the spamers.
So are you now saying that an Eckist is Atlanta is sending in posts as you?
> > There are 2 individuals on a.r.e. who are quite unbalanced. You might want > > to watch out for them.
> > One of them is a lady who claims to have been an ex-Eckist. Her name is > > Sharon Comstock. She has posted several thousand posts here in the last 9 > > months with 2-3 different addresses, but you can always tell a Sharon > > post. It says a little bit about a ton of stuff, but says nothing of > > substance about anything. By all means read all of her stuff, if you have > > the time. But be aware that she is the only person here who knows for sure > > if she ever was an Eckist. And at times she is not always clear on that > > herself:)
> Yeah...I'd better remind everyone...I post under the above, > under twinkle2...@my-dejanews.com and demonspa...@my-dejanews.com > and most recently sharon2...@my-dejanews.com
Most of your posts come out of a community network in Penn. What is interesting though is that this type of high volume posting is contrary to the rules of operation of your ISP.
Your community ISP is supported by the local taxpayers.
Is this why you keep changing around . . . . to hide your activities from your community ISP
> I'm much easier to keep track of than Glen...who has used so many > I'm sure he doesn't even remember.
True . . . . but unlike you I only use one at a time. And why should that matter . . . . it is the issues we are interested in . . . right?
Also, as Glen points out, my
> posts are easily recognized by my "style" (or lack of it). Look > for hatred, anger, rambling, confusion, and the phrases "sort of" > and "kind of" I think have been pointed out...
> Actually...I say a whole lot about the insignificance of Eckankar.
Well I would agree that most of what you post . . . . more than 2000 posts now . . . . is insignificant:)
> You can't always spot Glen...or whatever name he uses...sometimes > he acts real nice, sometimes he's not...but that's okay, because > it's all in service to Eckankar, the True Faith.
> Was I an Eckist? <tee-gee> Well...I think I already > confessed...way back in the early 80's I was contacted by David > Lane and a secret cabal of Eckankar Detractors...I was sent in as > a double agent in service to the Kal...I would sign up for the > discourses & all that stuff, go to Satsangs & stuff, sneak into > seminars & get phony name tags...tee hee even on the inner, > well...I had them all fooled. Yes...I even fooled Nathan, an > ESA according to himself...and ha ha what I did to Michael Wallace > when he was moderator of Chela-Chat...snuck in there simply > because as a double agent I had access to the secret & holy Mystic > World...to get on the closed ecklists you must prove you are an > Eckist by quoting a few lines from the most recent issue...and ha > ha poor MW had to read through all my rambling posts there too...
arelur...@mindspring.com wrote: > glen wrote: >... The SPAM you see cluttering up the newsgroup > > comes from Lurk and also from Sharon who seems to copying Lurk.
> I haven't sent any spam. But I could see where an eckist > would spam the NG and then come on and accuse detractors of > being the spamers.
> > Lurk has threatened to do this if people posted things he does not like here. > > Sharon does the same thing.
> Not true Glen. I said I would start posting analysis of the > discourses as a way for people to know it was me posting to > cut down on the confusion. That's not spam, that's grueling > work.....having to read Harold's writing. > Lurk
Wow! So that was you, Lurk!
I didn't find it worth reading after skimming some of your comments and I doubt many others would've either, just because of the length of it all, never mind the prejudicial "analysis."
Reading your and other detractor's interpretations and analysis of the Eck literature is sort of like reading an analysis and interpretation of the Torah and of Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" speech by a member of an anti-Jew / anti-black hate group. Now I'm not saying that you are a hater like that or anything. I have a feeling that you are probably a generally nice person who is not prejudiced toward anyone (maybe not even Eckists), but when it comes to the religion of Eckankar it is no secret that you have a strong prejudice toward it since your posts always make that perfectly clear.
But it's all OK i.m.o., because you, me, and everyone else are doing whatever we need to do to learn our lessons. I've got my own lessons to learn, and Eck detractors are Eck detractors because there are lessons they need to learn through the experience of being an Eck detractor.
Rafi
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> Most of your posts come out of a community network in Penn. What is > interesting though is that this type of high volume posting is contrary to > the rules of operation of your ISP.
As a matter of fact, it's not.
In fact, just last week (or the week before, I forget) I stopped by the network office...had a nice chat with the lady who runs it about the hours I use, since we're unlimited but I don't want to hog it. She said I was fine...
And I also told her how thankful I was the because of the internet, I learned not only some answers to the health problems I've had, but I learned I was in a mind-control cult, and got free...and that I had stayed on the newsgroup to speak the truth about it.
Even though it takes time...not easy with a 386 with 6 MB Ram. She said I'd think I died & went to heaven once I got the 486 with the faster modem running...
> Your community ISP is supported by the local taxpayers.
Yep. Most of whom are nice, god-fearing Christians who go to church & stuff. Like the kinds you find on local zoning boards.
And the kind of people I worked for and with as a secretary for the local Lutheran parish. Even though I wasn't a Christian.
People like the photocopier repairman. We spent many hours together. He was shocked at first when I'd told him I wasn't a Christian. But we became friends. He had a 12-year-old son, & I'd been there & done that...lots of laughs!!!
> Is this why you keep changing around . . . . to hide your activities from > your community ISP
The local ISP is aware of my activities. I just ran down there, in fact. Another nice chat with Sue...hey...guess what!!! She said to bring down the 486 & they'd get the modem running for me...they might even have some extra RAM around that might fit!!!
So I've got to run...that's what I like about being part of a nice local community ISP...sort of like extended family...Sue even vaguely remembered that REAL spammer...back in September, I think? The one that hit a lot of newsgroups & even made it into the newspapers?
Oh...by the way...I've been quite open about the "changing around" I do from the beginning. Would you like to post a list of all the pseudos & different addresses you've used here, "Glen" ????
Later...gotta unhook the 486...WOW I can't imagine how fast a 33.6 (or whatever) will be!!!! I've got a 14.4, but it's much better than the 9600 I started out with...
> I didn't find it worth reading after skimming some of your comments and I > doubt many others would've either, just because of the length of it all, > never mind the prejudicial "analysis."
This reminded me of something...the use of the word "prejudice"...
Reminds me of Twitchell's "chosen people" and "alien heathen pagan quotes"
There are laws about prejudice & bigotry, you know. Especially in areas of employment...
I used to work for a Lutheran parish you know...
In fact, when I came here as an Eckist in July, one of the whistleblowers got sort of nasty & asked me how I sneaked into a Christian organization...and I responded publicly that when I was interviewed, I openly told the pastor that I was not a Christian, and was a member of a religion called Eckankar. I told him a bit about the beliefs. To be honest, I couldn't help feeling a bit embarrassed when I told him about the other planes & eckmasters & stuff...I sort of laughed & said it was sort of "New Agey"
He said it wasn't a problem with him...as long as what I did when putting together the newsletter & choosing articles & things for it didn't conflict with Christianity.
And I had excellent Christian references, friends I'd discussed my religious beliefs with, who also knew my feelings about the spiritual teachings of Christianity...
Anyway...if you're really interested...you can go to the Dejanews Archives for my postings in July...the subject was "Message from Alfie" he apologized, and we got to talking & I found out he wasn't really just a horrible evil "detractor" like I'd been told...
> Reading your and other detractor's interpretations and analysis of the Eck > literature is sort of like reading an analysis and interpretation of the > Torah and of Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" speech by a member of an > anti-Jew / anti-black hate group. Now I'm not saying that you are a hater > like that or anything. I have a feeling that you are probably a generally > nice person who is not prejudiced toward anyone (maybe not even Eckists), but > when it comes to the religion of Eckankar it is no secret that you have a > strong prejudice toward it since your posts always make that perfectly clear.
Really, Rafi...it's not prejudice. You know, there used to be slavery here, I'm sure you're aware. And it was totally accepted, and yes some people still hold those beliefs.
But you know...yes, there had to be a war to stop it, but that was more over the rights of states to secede from the union...
Religions can enslave too. One great thing about this country is free speech...and freedom of thought.
And those of us here who speak against Eckankar...well, we think people have a right to know there are two sides to the story.
By the way, you know those notices that come with the discourses or the Mystic World? On Job Openings at the Eckankar International Office in Minneapolis?
Did you ever notice, in the "qualifications" section? The first two requirements for all jobs are always 1. Current member of Eckankar in good standing, and 2. Well-grounded in the ECK teachings and an example of love, service, and dedication to the ECK principles.
I wonder if that's against the law? You know, like the employment laws to protect the rights of the handicapped & older people & women? I can remember years ago, not telling people I had a child because they often responded "well, forget it because if your child is sick, you'll have to stay home to take care of it."
And women often didn't get jobs because their employers thought they would get pregnant & quit.
Christianity didn't have a problem hiring an Eckist...
What does Eckankar have against hiring non-Eckists? And...is it legal to discriminate on the basis of religious affiliation?
Sharon
> But it's all OK i.m.o., because you, me, and everyone else are doing > whatever we need to do to learn our lessons. I've got my own lessons to > learn, and Eck detractors are Eck detractors because there are lessons they > need to learn through the experience of being an Eck detractor.
> Rafi
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Sharon Pagan & Sub-Human
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> Your community ISP is supported by the local taxpayers.
This got me thinking, Glen...now I don't know how it works in Canada (how's grad school going, by the way) by here in the US, and in my state...well, state universities are supported by taxpayer funds.
I'm not sure exactly how the laws about separation of church & state go...
But I wondered...what would taxpayers, or state government & stuff, think about a member of Eckankar who is employed by a state university and uses university time & equipment & meeting space to work on Eckankar newsletters & hold intro sessions & Satsang & bookstudies & stuff???
In fact...this person told me herself that other employees had evidently complained about it...that was awhile ago, when I was an Eckist...
> True . . . . but unlike you I only use one at a time. And why should that > matter . . . . it is the issues we are interested in . . . right?
Yes, Glen...please...go debate some issues...and I will post quotes from the Eckbooks & my opinion on them, & other stuff...
And we can ignore each other...
>
> Oh look.... here is some of that insignificance right now:)
I try my best...
Hey...just out of curiousity...why don't you post a list of your names & addresses...so if I feel like it I can look them all up, to determine what a reasonable number of postings would be considered, then this year I'll try to stifle a bit. I won't waste time with you...and I'll try to be a bit more focused & stuff ....
> In article <36BAF0DD.23D79...@mindspring.com>, arelur...@mindspring.com wrote:
> > glen wrote:
> > > The other person posts as ARELURKER and also recently as Wagstaff.
> > Again, not true Glen.
> Your header numbers are identical. The posts are coming from you in Atlanta.
> > This > > > newsgroup has had trouble with people being hacked. It has occurred a > > > number of times to both Eckists and non-Eckists.
> > This true there has been cloning by outside people. I > > believe eckists have used the real cloning as cover in their > > misdirection efforts.
> But you fail to offer even one shred of proof.
> Why dear reader . . . because there are none. Pick a newsgroup at random > and you will likely find someone complaining about hacking or misidentity > issues. It is rampant on the Usenet.
> Lurk uses this phenomena to his own advantage, playing the victim, > pretending that there is some plot to get him.
I've seen how eckists have cloned David Lane and Rev when they were saying things eckists didn't like. This is cultic behavior. Intead of expressing a alternate opinion, eckists would clone the detractor's screen name and other eckists would respond to it to creat confusion.
> Which is silly. Lurk has not posted a meaningful post in years. He has > offered all he has to offer to the debate and so has reinvented himself as > the a.r.e. equivalent of those people who jump out in front of cars so > that they can sue the driver.
It's not playing victim to ask eckists not to clone my name and respond to it when it is obviously a cloned (with talkway under the name). Your idea of victim is different than mine Glen. Eckists cloning detractors, on the other hand, seems to be an expression of a person coming from of place of disempowerment and victimhood.
> > But the majority of those > > > hacked are those Known as detractors. ARELURKER is the second most > > > prolific detractor poster after Sharon Comstock. He used to be quite an > > > interesting person to talk with but since he has recently been hacked he > > > has become quite unruly. The SPAM you see cluttering up the newsgroup > > > comes from Lurk and also from Sharon who seems to copying Lurk.
> > I haven't sent any spam. But I could see where an eckist > > would spam the NG and then come on and accuse detractors of > > being the spamers.
> So are you now saying that an Eckist is Atlanta is sending in posts as you?
I'm saying I'm not spaming and I haven't posted under another screen name. Look Glen, I'm not an eck master so you can believe me.
In article <Pine.A32.3.93.990205135438.15892C-100...@cub.kcnet.org>, Sharon V Comstock <scoms...@cub.kcnet.org> wrote:
> Oh...by the way...I've been quite open about the "changing around" > I do from the beginning. Would you like to post a list of all > the pseudos & different addresses you've used here, "Glen" ????
In article <36BB9DEC.CEDF4...@mindspring.com>, arelur...@mindspring.com wrote: > I've seen how eckists have cloned David Lane and Rev when > they were saying things eckists didn't like. This is cultic > behavior. Intead of expressing a alternate opinion, eckists > would clone the detractor's screen name and other eckists > would respond to it to creat confusion.
I personally believe that the reason you will not tell us the name of the path you currently follow is because you realize that your incessant posting here is in itself . . . . cultic behavior.
> > Which is silly. Lurk has not posted a meaningful post in years. He has > > offered all he has to offer to the debate and so has reinvented himself as > > the a.r.e. equivalent of those people who jump out in front of cars so > > that they can sue the driver.
> It's not playing victim to ask eckists not to clone my name > and respond to it when it is obviously a cloned (with > talkway under the name). Your idea of victim is different > than mine Glen. Eckists cloning detractors, on the other > hand, seems to be an expression of a person coming from of > place of disempowerment and victimhood.
You still have not offered one shred of proof that any of this has been done by an Eckist.
Where is the proof?
> > So are you now saying that an Eckist is Atlanta is sending in posts as you?
> I'm saying I'm not spaming and I haven't posted under > another screen name. Look Glen, I'm not an eck master so you > can believe me.
> Lurk
I guess it all depends on what you call SPAM. Your ISP calls what you send here SPAM.
glen wrote in message ... >In article <Pine.A32.3.93.990205135438.15892C-100...@cub.kcnet.org>, >Sharon V Comstock <scoms...@cub.kcnet.org> wrote:
>> Oh...by the way...I've been quite open about the "changing around" >> I do from the beginning. Would you like to post a list of all >> the pseudos & different addresses you've used here, "Glen" ????
