Portrait of Paul Twitchell
Giggles
illustrating this Portrait of the Twitch!)
Portrait of a Sociopath
A number of cult leaders may exhibit many of the behavioral
characteristics of a sociopath--an outstanding ability to charm
and
seduce followers. Since they appear apparently normal, they are
not
easily recognizable as deviant or disturbed. Although only a
trained
professional can make a diagnosis, it is important to be able to
recognize the personality type in order to avoid further abuse.
These
traits also apply to a one-on-one cultic relationship.
Glibness/Superficial Charm
Language can be used without effort by them to confuse and
convince
their audience. Captivating storytellers that exude self-
confidence, they
can spin a web that intrigues others. Since they are persuasive,
they
have the capacity to destroy their critics verbally or
emotionally.
Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-
serving
behaviors permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are
covertly
hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an
instrument to
be used. He dominates and humiliates his victims.
Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "his right." Craves
adulation and
attendance. Must be the center of attention with his own
fantasies as
the "spokesman for God," "enlightened," "leader of humankind,"
etc.
Creates an us-versus-them mentality
Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost
impossible for
them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get
caught up
in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities.
Extremely
convincing and able to pass lie detector tests.
Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at his
core.
Does not see others around him as people, but only as targets and
opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and
accomplices
who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and
they let
nothing stand in their way.
Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion
it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior
motive.
Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and
cold by
what would upset a normal person. Since he is not genuine,
neither are
his promises.
Incapacity for Love
While He talks about "God's love" he is unable to give or
receive it.
Since he does not believe in the geniuses of his followers'
love, he is
very harsh in testing it from his devotees and expects them to
feel guilt
for their failings. Expects unconditional surrender.
Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge, yet testing the beliefs of their followers
with bizarre
rules, punishments and behaviors. Verbal outbursts and physical
punishments are normal.
Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to emphasize with the pain of their victims, having only
contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking
advantage of
them. Their skills are used to exploit, abuse and exert power.
Since the
follower cannot believe their leader would callously hurt them,
they
rationalize his behavior as necessary for their ( or the
group's) own
"good" and deny the abuse. When devotees become aware of the
exploitation it feels like a "spiritual rape" to them.
Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and
approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as
well as
creating hopelessness in the victim. Believes he is all-powerful,
all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal
boundaries,
no concern for his impact on others. His followers only see him
as near
perfect.
Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties,
yet "gets
by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends;
aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals,
stealing, etc.
Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerning about wrecking others' lives and dreams.
Oblivious or
indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame
themselves, but blame their followers or others outside their
group.
Blame reinforces passivity and obedience and produces guilt,
shame,
terror and conformity in the followers.
Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Cult leaders frequently practice promiscuity, child sexual
abuse, rape
and sexual acting out of all sorts. This is usually kept hidden
from all
but the inner circle. Stringent sexual control of their
followers, such as
forced breakups and divorces, removal of children from parents,
rules
for dating, etc.
Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for
the future. Many groups claim as their goal world-domination or
other
utopian promises. Great contrast between the leader's opulent
lifestyle
and the followers' impoverishment. Support by gifts and donations
from his followers who are pressured to give through fear and
guilt.
Highly sensitive to their own pain and health.
Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image and that of the group as needed to avoid
prosecution and to increase income and to recruit a range of
members.
Is able to adapt or relocate as needed to preserve the group. Can
resurface later with a new name, a new front group and a new
twist on
the scam.
Other Related Qualities:
1.Contemptuous of those who seek to understand him
2.Does not perceive that anything is wrong with him
3.Authoritarian
4.Secretive
5.Paranoid
6.Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations
where his
tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
7.Conventional appearance
8.Goal of enslavement of his victim(s)
9.Exercises despotic control over every aspect of his victim's life
10.Has a psychological need to justify his crimes and therefore
needs his
victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
11.Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
12.Incapable of real human attachment to another
13.Unable to feel remorse or guilt
14.Extreme narcissism and grandiose
15.May state readily that their goal is to rule the world
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http://members.delphi.com/sharon2000
cher
Giggles wrote:
>
> (excuse sloppy formatting. When I fix it, I'll also add quotes
> illustrating this Portrait of the Twitch!)
>
> Portrait of a Sociopath
>
> A number of cult leaders may exhibit many of the behavioral
> characteristics of a sociopath--an outstanding ability to charm
<snip>
brian Fletcher
>
>
> A number of cult leaders may exhibit many of the behavioral
> characteristics of a sociopath--an outstanding ability to charm
> and
> seduce followers. Since they appear apparently normal, they are
> not
> easily recognizable as deviant or disturbed. Although only a
> trained
> professional can make a diagnosis, it is important to be able to
> recognize the personality type in order to avoid further abuse.
> These
> traits also apply to a one-on-one cultic relationship.
>
Only a trained professional eh!!!. Oh how wonderful. The world is in good
hands after all. Thank you oh Trained Ones.
I hope you are not including the types I'm aware of who are "religiously
biased" or are having drug, alchohol or marriage problems, (which takes
careof the majority I suspect).
Perhaps you can point us to these Trained Ones so we too can seek the
liberation they have discovered.
Oh, and you also have to remove the ones called "Brian" from the list. No
worship here thank you very much ;-)))
Peter (O.K Brian really, but there are exceptions to the rule;-)
Windy
Crusty the Clown for sure.
tarryrob
Here's something to support your assertion that Twitch was sociopath - a
quote from eckanCult leader Paul Twitchell himself, talking about a subject
upon which he, and the current crop of eck thugs (you know who you are!),
are most knowledgable - mindcontrol and psychological terrorism.
(Twitch and his thugs) apparently knew too much about the techniques of mass
submission through the ancient arts of black magic. (They) could apply a
cold war against the human mind with the use of psychological warfare as
weapon of terror. (They) could use an indoctrination barrage run by his
public engineers for the robitization of men. Many techniques (they) used to
conquer the masses, a unique addtion to totalitarian art, that spread across
the vast face of the universes over which (they) had control.....(they) were
using everything in the books for his cold war against the Earth and its
allies, Binz; the strategy of terror, the purging rituals, wild accusations
of attacks, by those nations, the spy system, the strategy of
criminalization, use of verocracy and semantic fogs, labelomania, mental
blakmail, the use of public trial as an insturment of intimidation, the use
of fear as a tool of terror and ideas as a mental contagion and mass
delusion.
Twitchell, Paul. "East of Danger." Iluminated Way Press, p 8.
Truth can never be told so as to be understood, and not be believed.
Marriage of Heaven and Hell "Proverbs of Hell" William Blake.
Take heed!
tarryrob
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cher
have picked up some of her favorite material. Is this plagiarism on your
part or did she give you permission to use her shtick? Do you have a
little bitty car too? How many of you fit in there at once? Is it hard
to clean your shoes after following the elephants? I bet you're sure
tired of peanuts and cotton candy.
Well, nice talking to you.
bye...
cher.......
Ken
"cher" <gruen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote ...
>
> Hi! Looks like you're good friends with Giggles (sharon) as you seem to
> have picked up some of her favorite material. Is this plagiarism on your
> part or did she give you permission to use her shtick? Do you have a
> little bitty car too? How many of you fit in there at once? Is it hard
> to clean your shoes after following the elephants? I bet you're sure
> tired of peanuts and cotton candy.
> Well, nice talking to you.
> bye...
> cher.......
As a mind-controlled psychological terrorist thug, I find that to be quite
funny and yet kinda sad at the same time. Reminds me of Michael's
dancing bear <g>.
Ken
cher
hold and the clowns fall back into perspective. It's never about you or
about me, its all about the spotlight.
:-D cher........
Ken
"cher" <gruen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote ...
>
> Oh dear Ken, don't take the clowns seriously. :-D
That is indeed one of the lessons here.
> Let the laughter take
> hold and the clowns fall back into perspective. It's never about you or
> about me, its all about the spotlight.
>
> :-D cher........
But do the clowns know that there's a bigger world outside their circus?
The laughing crowds come and go, act follows act, show after show,
and in the end it's for what? The thrill of attention?
If they're looking for attention, I say go stand in the middle of a busy street.
--
Ken
Yet another mind-controlled psychological terrorist thug ;->
cher
the elephants and the shoes. ;->
Rich
> Here's something to support your assertion that Twitch was sociopath - a
> quote from eckanCult leader Paul Twitchell himself
LOL Nice try! I never cease to be amazed at how some detractors will
abase themselves to try and misrepresent Eckankar.
Editing, by admittedly changing the text of a science fiction book, and
then portraying the result as a quote of what Paul Twitchell actually
taught about Eckankar, is right down there... he's obviously taking
lessons from Sharon's detractor cult.:-/
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Michael
Life, as a friend said, is a three ringed circus...
First the Engagement Ring
Then the Wedding Ring
Then the Suffering...
Love
Michael
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brian Fletcher
"Michael" <wallyboy@.iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> Life, as a friend said, is a three ringed circus...
>
> First the Engagement Ring
> Then the Wedding Ring
> Then the Suffering...
>
Your resident numerologist ;-)
Brian
cher
is endless to a heart that knows. :-D
Michael
Please... Allow room for some bitter commentary...
What is beer if it isn't a little bitter... <G>
And what is life if not bitter sweet?
Love
Michael
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cher
taste. ;-)
cher......
Michael
"Triphala" ... Wild stuff.
It seems that this ancient healing art is becoming increasingly popular in
the West, and there is a lot of good stuff in there. One small example is
that a mixture of Tumeric and Builders Lime makes a powerful external remedy
with similar potency to Cortezone creams (Without the negative effects on
the Kidneys)
Just 2 cents
Love
Michael
"cher" <gruen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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cher
out here too. I found a copy of "Diet & Nutrition a holistic approach"
by Rudolf Ballentine M.D. at a used book store. It's published by the
Himalayan Institute, copyright 1978 I look at this book and wonder what
the cure for stress would be in learning to work with nutrition in this
fashion. :-D There's some good stuff in it though... and I'll glean what
I need and let go of the rest, as always.
Seems like the impact of Chopra has had a strong effect on the
consciousness. Most of this stuff was available for decades before his
books came out, but never reached much of a mass audience. Now its
taking over the alternative healing community.
Michael
that the Chinese got their ideas from Auyevedic scripts...
Depac? Amazing how a Butcher from Calcutta can improve himself, hey? He gave
a talk here recently, and said the the audence "Thank you so much for giving
me such a large amount of money so I can tell you something you already
know..."
And they APPLAUDED! Egad!
Love
Michael.
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cher
Oncology practice in Massachusetts? Odd ......
Ken
"Michael" <wallyboy@.iprimus.com.au> wrote ...
>
> Depac? Amazing how a Butcher from Calcutta can improve himself, hey? He gave
> a talk here recently, and said the the audence "Thank you so much for giving
> me such a large amount of money so I can tell you something you already
> know..."
>
> And they APPLAUDED! Egad!
<LOL>
I don't care what his detractors say, I like the guy! <g>
He has a lighthearted approach to life and doesn't seem to take himself
all that seriously. Which is nice.
Ken
brian Fletcher
Reminds me of my alltime favorite essay "They are Made out of Meat".
Brian
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Michael
Maybe that is why he has so few sacred cows?? <G>
Love
Michael
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cher
unbelievably in Oncology simply because "cutting" was the last option in
his practice. He simply wasn't in favor of surgery first, last and
always. I admired him for that, considering the influence of the AMA and
the fraternity of the blade.
Michael
A quote from the Queensland University medical department...
I hold to "Bones" from Startrek as he walks through a 20th Century hospital
"Butchers!" he exclaimed... Maybe that is what inspired Depac?? <G>
Love
Michael
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cher
the hall way? I love that scene. You never know.... maybe it was what
inspired him. :-)
brian Fletcher
> Nothing Heals like Cold Hard Steel...
>
> A quote from the Queensland University medical department...
>
> I hold to "Bones" from Startrek as he walks through a 20th Century
hospital
> "Butchers!" he exclaimed... Maybe that is what inspired Depac?? <G>
>
> Love
>
> Michael
I thought he was referring to the prescribing of horemones in excess.
Butchering....
Turning everyone butch....sweetie.
Brian
Tom Leafeater
Due to my busy schedule lately there is little time for me to read a.r.e.
posts, much less respond, but I did notice the discussion about Chopra. I've
read Depak's claims that the Chinese Medicine system is only a mere offshoot of
Ayurvedic medicine. Both systems are quite old and have their individual
strengths. Tibetan medicine appears to have some similarities with both. I
think the more likely explanaton is that there was an exchange of knowledge
between Indian, Tibetan and Chinese cultures, with important ideas possibly
coming from all sides. In any case, Chinese medicine is growing like wildfire
in the U.S., largely due to its remarkable efficacy, despite Chopra's comments,
and also despite Twitchell's negative comments in 'Herbs, the Magic Healers.
-Leafeater
'>Subject: Re: Portrait of Paul Twitchell
>From: "Michael" wallyboy@.iprimus.com.au
>Date: 5/9/01 8:41 AM Mountain Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3af9...@news.iprimus.com.au>
brian Fletcher
"Tom Leafeater" <tomlea...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Michael,
>
> Due to my busy schedule lately there is little time for me to read a.r.e.
> posts, much less respond, but I did notice the discussion about Chopra.
I've
> read Depak's claims that the Chinese Medicine system is only a mere
offshoot of
> Ayurvedic medicine. Both systems are quite old and have their individual
> strengths. Tibetan medicine appears to have some similarities with both. I
> think the more likely explanaton is that there was an exchange of
knowledge
> between Indian, Tibetan and Chinese cultures, with important ideas
possibly
> coming from all sides. In any case, Chinese medicine is growing like
wildfire
> in the U.S., largely due to its remarkable efficacy, despite Chopra's
comments,
> and also despite Twitchell's negative comments in 'Herbs, the Magic
Healers.
>
> -Leafeater
>
"sting" for a moment.
Is he a "scorpion" by any chance ;-)))
Brian
cher
comes from someone immune to the sting. By the way.... don't tell Tommy
that Herbs The Magic Healers has been updated. :-)
cher.....
Michael
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Common... that was as good as it gets from Tom ... Be grateful!!
I have read Herbs many times, and I don't recall any disparaging comments on
Chinese Medicine, however, it is easy to miss things. It is a book full of
intersting and useful bits and pieces ... Even so, it is 'really' Stuart
Wheelwrights book
I tend to feel that there "may" be some credence to the Auyeverdic claims as
a point of origin, but I suspect that the system was far more wide ranging
than "just" India. My sense is that as the Vedic Religion was pushed into
the India Subcontinent, the information simply changed brandnames, and
slowly modified in the direction of the culture it was vested in.
However, Vedic Mathematics seems to have remained purely Indian, and new
evidence has come to light that all the Indian Chants (Om mane Padre' Hum,
etc.) is really a tonal codice for specific mathematical equations. I am
still looking into this, but it seems that this is pretty much accurate.
What this indicates is a civilization far more sophisticated than currently
accepted, with all the ratios and principle of Phi, Pi, Phi-Delta, Lamdomna
... Everything of essential mathematics being understood in the Vedic System
way before Thales and the Pythagorean traditions.
I also just read some interesting research that pretty much proves that
Psalms had large sections plagiarised from Egyptian songs and poems ... Is
NOTHING sacred?? <G>
Love
Michael
>
Ken
"Michael" <wallyboy@.iprimus.com.au> wrote ...
>
> Common... that was as good as it gets from Tom ... Be grateful!!
>
> I have read Herbs many times, and I don't recall any disparaging comments on
> Chinese Medicine, however, it is easy to miss things. It is a book full of
> intersting and useful bits and pieces ... Even so, it is 'really' Stuart
> Wheelwrights book
I think I remember Paul saying something about Chinese medicine being
too 'hot' . . . or was it too 'cool'? Anyways, the reliance on certain herbs
by the Chinese system would over time tend to rob the body of certain
enzymes or something . . .
Nothing like accurate details to fuel an in-depth debate, eh? <g>
>
> I tend to feel that there "may" be some credence to the Auyeverdic claims as
> a point of origin, but I suspect that the system was far more wide ranging
> than "just" India. My sense is that as the Vedic Religion was pushed into
> the India Subcontinent, the information simply changed brandnames, and
> slowly modified in the direction of the culture it was vested in.
Yeah well, if anyone EVER finds the true source for ANYTHING, then I say
that they may be on to something! It's all just building blocks of thoughts
and ideas, being placed on top of older foundations of consciousness.
>
> However, Vedic Mathematics seems to have remained purely Indian, and new
> evidence has come to light that all the Indian Chants (Om mane Padre' Hum,
> etc.) is really a tonal codice for specific mathematical equations. I am
> still looking into this, but it seems that this is pretty much accurate.
>
> What this indicates is a civilization far more sophisticated than currently
> accepted, with all the ratios and principle of Phi, Pi, Phi-Delta, Lamdomna
> ... Everything of essential mathematics being understood in the Vedic System
> way before Thales and the Pythagorean traditions.
>
> I also just read some interesting research that pretty much proves that
> Psalms had large sections plagiarised from Egyptian songs and poems ... Is
> NOTHING sacred?? <G>
Either nothing is, or maybe everything is . . .
Ken
Tom Leafeater
really essential to my comment. Twitchell can't be faulted much for making
inaccurate statements about Oriental Medicine, since good information on the
subject was hard to come by in 1970. I would even venture that the fact that he
mentions it at all is somewhat to his credit. In "Herbs," Twitchell refers to
Kampo, a traditional Japanese medicine having developed from Chinese medicine.
Most of what he says about Kampo is applicable to Oriental medicine in general.
There is only a comment or two that I quibble with:
"One has to learn under a Kampo practitioner and learn the Kampo techniques
singularly. The main area where these trainees fail is the lack of objectivity
in their working with patients. This is the reason why Kampo does not have a
place with modern Western medicines. It cannot be transmitted by textbooks and
its scriptures alone. Its fatal flaw lies in the lack its ability to reach any
objectivity." (Excerpt from 'Herbs, The Magic Healers,' by Paul Twitchell,
1971, Revised 1986. Although revised in 1986, this excerpt remained unchanged.)
Pointing to a "fatal flaw" in regards to a "lack of objectivity" is entirely
inaccurate. Most Oriental medicine systems rely substantially on objective
signs and symptoms to make a diagnosis. Hundreds of "diseases" or patterns of
imbalances are identified based on very refined and subtle methods of
observation, inquiry, olfaction and auscultation, and palpation, which include
an extensive system of pulse diagnosis and tongue diagnosis. These methods are,
indeed, difficult to learn and must be learned from an expert practitioner. Of
course, having to learn from an expert is also true of most difficult medical
systems, including Ayurvedic and western medicines. Twitchell also states that
Kampo is not as effective as Western medicine, especially in the areas of
social, preventative, and surgical medicine. I would say that the two systems
have their strengths and weaknesses, and each has its place. But when it comes
to preventative medicine, I would go with Oriental medicine or other
alternatives.
I would speculate that Twitchell's comments stem from the fact that it is
difficult to get a grasp of Oriental medicine from a quick reading of a text.
The basic philosophy seems simple initially, but with further study becomes
overwhelmingly complex. This is why it is said by some that it takes from eight
years up to twenty years to fully master the system, depending on the aptitude
of the student. Similar periods of study are said to be necessary for Ayurvedic
medicine, which also uses a form of pulse diagnosis. As to whether Oriental
medicine has a place with modern medicine, Twitchell was way off on that point,
too. Oriental medicine is already being used in western hospitals in the U.S.,
and has been used extensively by the Chinese in hospitals alongside western
medicine.
As to whether Oriental medicine originated with Ayurvedic medicine:
First, it doesn't really matter who started what, although from my reading,
scholars say the two systems are both far too old to come to any definite
conclusions. The two cultures were separated by mountain ranges, but there was
communication and exchanges of information, trade, etc. Both have made
innovations over the millennia. The two systems have similarities, but also are
very different in significant ways. Reasonable people will focus on the merit
found within each, rather than harp over which ethnic group received what from
whom. My only point was that it is arrogant and foolish for Chopra to pass off
Chinese medicine as a mere offshoot of Ayurvedic medicine, as if it were
relatively less important. There seems to be a tendency with some
Transcendental Meditation followers to make claims of superiority in all
matters, which is in my view reflected in Chopra's attitude. Of course, if
anyone is offended by my comments, know that I would not be unhappy if I were
proved to be wrong about him.
Hope this clears up ambiguities in my 'innocuous' little post <G>.
'Nuff said.
-Leafeater
Rich
> Ahhh bugger, and I thought he was contributing something useful without a
> "sting" for a moment.
>
> Is he a "scorpion" by any chance ;-)))
LOL He doesn't seem to be able to help himself.
Michael
I find myself strikingly in agreement with what you say...
What also strikes me as curious with this, however, is that Paul Twitchell
obviously had very little regard for Western Medicine. In fact, he
positively slathers it time and again in his book and clearly did not like
the pharmecutical approach at all. I think many people are now of the notion
that if you break a leg, a doctor is good, but if you are actually sick...
the last place you go is the GP ... Somehow I suspect we are coming up
against a differencial between Stuart Wheelwright and Paul Twitchell... The
book was, apparently a corroborative effort... with the later revision being
done entirely by Mr Wheelwright.
I personally can understand why a system like Kampo would not be able to be
taught in the Western manner, as is pretty much the case with most Eastern
Medical Systems... Which is strikingly suitable, because they are NOT
Western...
I might add, I just saw an Auyevedic Doctor last week... Remarkable insight
and EXACTLY to the point in two minutes. He suggested a simple remedy, and I
have already had Inner Conformation that it is the right remedy for the
condition. For myself, the practitioner is more important than the system
employed, in a sense. A bad Chinese Doctor can do as much harm as a bad
Western Doctor... (I refer to GP's as legal Drug Pushers, btw <G>)
Looking back at the quote provided, however, (And thank you for that) the
mention is made specifically that the difficulty "trainee's" have is with
objectivity. This is pretty much true of just about ANY system of medicine
or teaching (Including Eckankar) but the comment "The Fatal flaw" seems a
bit over the top.
Is this comment still in the current version? Do you have the page number??
Thanks
Love
Michael
Tom Leafeater
You are probably right about Twitchell not being a great fan of western
medicine, though I personally believe it, too, has its place, despite serious
reservations about certain aspects of it, such as the God-complex some of its
practitioners fall into, and the resulting attempt on their part to control the
rest of us "for our own benefit."
-Leafeater
P.S. As to the page numbers, I happen to have both editions at hand, for what
its worth:
1971: p.171
1986 (revised by A. Stuart Wheelwright): p.232
(The excerpt in my post is identical in both editions.)
Michael
I flicked through the preceding and following paragraphs... It seems to me
that Paul is seeking to give an overview of an entire system, specifically
about Moxiibuxion and Acupuncture in temrs of Kampo at that paragraph you
pulled out ...I felt the point about not being as effective as Western
Medicine relates strongly to the fact where he points out how Kampo went
into decline when it could not cure smallpox, and the vacinne could... But
it is a little moot.
There are a huge number of things I would have liked to have seen mentioned
in the book... But I feel the 'real' purpose was simply as an overview and
an introduction to a wide range of topics. It was pretty revolutionary in
its day, that book. I know Herbalists who many years later have gone back,
and been amazed at how much 'is' in there.
Several things Paul brought out that were fairly unique... The Mineral Types
is one of the main one... Homeopathy had Mineral Types, but nowhere near as
graphic as Paul's descriptions. The use of common things liek Red skinned
potatoe as a Miracle herb ... I haven't read that anywhere else, and it
really IS a very potent tool.
Still... the things not there are equally as striking. Maybe I need to write
my own book!! <G>
(A better idea than hours on a.r.e. hey?)
Love
Michael
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Michael
I flicked through the preceding and following paragraphs... It seems to me
that Paul is seeking to give an overview of an entire system, specifically
about Moxiibuxion and Acupuncture in temrs of Kampo at that paragraph you
pulled out ...I felt the point about not being as effective as Western
Medicine relates strongly to the fact where he points out how Kampo went
into decline when it could not cure smallpox, and the vacinne could... But
it is a little moot.
There are a huge number of things I would have liked to have seen mentioned
in the book... But I feel the 'real' purpose was simply as an overview and
an introduction to a wide range of topics. It was pretty revolutionary in
its day, that book. I know Herbalists who many years later have gone back,
and been amazed at how much 'is' in there.
Several things Paul brought out that were fairly unique... The Mineral Types
is one of the main one... Homeopathy had Mineral Types, but nowhere near as
graphic as Paul's descriptions. The use of common things liek Red skinned
potatoe as a Miracle herb ... I haven't read that anywhere else, and it
really IS a very potent tool.
Still... the things not there are equally as striking. Maybe I need to write
my own book!! <G>
(A better idea than hours on a.r.e. hey?)
Love
Michael
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Tom Leafeater
Overall, Twitchell does provide an interesting look at the Oriental medicine
system, especially considering that not much was known of the subject by most
westerners at the time he wrote it, 'though I still take issue with the "fatal
flaw" comment <g>, and a few other inaccuracies not really worth mentioning. I
would point out one or two things: Small Pox, being a virus, is not cured by
the vaccine, but it is prevented by it. It is true that Western medicine became
increasingly popular in Asia, especially during the 30's and 40's with the
arrival of sulfa drugs and antibiotics, which gave western medicine the
appearance of being a 'miracle science'. Oriental medicine began to lose
popularity in favor of the new medicine, especially among the educated classes.
Natural, holistic medicine of the Orient began to suffer the same fate as
western herbal medicine had already experienced for a few centuries in the
west. Its decline in Japan was given a good push by military officials during
the U.S. occupation of Japan, who outlawed traditional medicine during this
period, claiming it was a superstition. This reflected the predominant attitude
of the time, even among the Oriental intelligentsia. Apparently unknown to
Twitchell (and most others in the west) in 1971, is that a revival of oriental
medicine was well underway in China, as the Chinese government began to realize
(beginning in the early fifties) the traditional medicine was, indeed, a
national treasure. Westerners were beginning to travel to China, Macao, Hong
Kong and Taiwan in the early seventies to study Chinese medicine in various
training centers and hospitals. Since then, Oriental medicine (which includes
Chinese, Korean, and Japanese systems, among others) has been experiencing a
remarkable resurgence around the world.
In any case, "Herbs" definitely had an influence on my thinking back in the
early seventies, and was valued by me. Today, much more detail can be found in
the literature available on natural medicine (or at least, is easier to
locate), but at the time, the book was quite informative. (BTW, I have a book
on homeopathy that delves quite deeply into the mineral types, though in '71,
I'd never heard of them. 'Course, I was just a teenager then.)
-Leafeater
>Subject: Re: Portrait of Paul Twitchell
>From: "Michael" wallyboy@.iprimus.com.au
>Date: 5/13/01 7:53 AM Mountain Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3afe...@news.iprimus.com.au>
Michael
suffering the same decline that Oriental Medicines have gone through, and my
sense is that the current research in vibrational therapies will open the
door to a more gentle approach than the nasty drug pushing culture we have
with the GP's.
Vaccination? I absolutely hate the crap... I was talking to anirse
yesterday, and she asked if my son was vaccinated, and I said "Yes...
Homeopathically"
"So he is not vaccinated, then" she said.
"No... He IS vaccinated... Homeopathically." I emphasised.
I moved away from the ensuing argument, because I knew the woman simply was
a robot without the relevant facts to hand... Which are essentially that
many Western Vaccinations are more harmful than beneficial, and that hygene
is more responsible for longer life than vaccinnes...
In reading I have done, Small Poxand such things as polio was largely
receeding as an active virus by the time the Vaccinne was created to combat
it... Now, apparently 2/3 of ALL Smallpox and Polio cases throughout the
world are CAUSED by the vaccinne.
I am tending more towards Shelldrake and Kervran in my view of health and
healing, which is to say that Life has a resonance. It is a curious fact
that the vast majority of vaccinnes only emerge when the main "thrust" of a
virus or bacteria has diminished in voracity .. It is like it reached the
end of its natural cycle, and something comes along to confirm this. In
other words, Getting thorugh disease is more about understanding the source
energy or cause. If we are to find the way to resolve any negative effects
it might cause, we need to look for balance rather than smashing the walls
of Jerico down.
Kervran received a Nobel award for his theories of a third Chemistry where
elements can transmure through ionic transference at a low level (Body
level) Chemical Reaction ... He won the award for Physics, and was ignored
by the Chemists.
I tend to hold the view that Oriental medicine is far better at "Slipping
Through" a disease pattern and enabling positive change to come about, while
Allopathic medicine is great at te sledgehammer approach. My respect for
'good' homeopathy is growing daily, especially as an old Homeopathic Friend
seems to have disovered a cause for Cancer, and is getting 100% success
rates at cure, not just remission.
Just on this... He has pretty much been able to demonstrate that cancer is
not the problem, but a retro virus, or something strikingly similar to this,
seems to affect the "T" Cell production so that the immune system fails to
recognise cancer as a problem. He states that every disease has a Signature
the body learns to read, and deal with... And that Cancer (A perfectly
normal cell out of control) loses its "Signature" to the Immune System and
is simply not recogonised.
He homepathically treats the Virus, and then moves onto the Cancer, and so
far has tremendous results. This, and so much MORE seems to be coming out in
this new cycle... And I am sure that when we look back in 60 years, we will
be saying that this period we are currently moving into IS the Golden Age
(For us in the West, at least)
Oriental medicine, of course, is based on keeping health and balance, not
curing disease so much as helping the body stay healthy. I love the Chinese
way of paying the Doctor to keep you healthy, and not paying him when you
get sick! <G>
Love
Michael
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Tom Leafeater
Your comments on vaccinations are right on. From my own reading on the
subject, I had come to similar conclusions. Though I have no children, as you
do, I know the decisions regarding vaccination of children can be difficult.
School authorities in the states can be troublesome with this. Sounds like you
made the hard choices in an informed manner, to your credit.
-Leafeater
>Subject: Re: Portrait of Paul Twitchell
>From: "Michael" wallyboy@.iprimus.com.au
>Date: 5/14/01 7:44 PM Mountain Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3b00...@news.iprimus.com.au>
The Indians
<3af9...@news.iprimus.com.au> :
>that the Chinese got their ideas from Auyevedic scripts...
>
>Depac? Amazing how a Butcher from Calcutta can improve himself, hey? He gave
>a talk here recently, and said the the audence "Thank you so much for giving
>me such a large amount of money so I can tell you something you already
>know..."
>
>And they APPLAUDED! Egad!
>
>Love
>
>Michael.
Harold actually owns Eckankar, and Eckankar is worth millions of dollars. Does he get much applause at Eck Seminars?
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> Your comments on vaccinations are right on. From my own reading on the
> subject, I had come to similar conclusions. Though I have no children, as
> you do, I know the decisions regarding vaccination of children can be
> difficult. School authorities in the states can be troublesome with this.
> Sounds like you made the hard choices in an informed manner, to your
> credit.
The first year I faced this issue with the school, I gave them information
on why I didn't have my son vaccinated. After that, I found it easier to
just say I had "religious" objections. However, we *did* decide to have
him immunized as an adult, because the old "childhood" diseases like
measles and chicken pox are quite serious in adults.
Sharon
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It is not so difficult here in Australia, where a school cannot ban a child
for not fulfilling some utopian Drug Lord's dream of Pharmecutica ...
However, even though the LAW states this, it does not stop the Government to
send out notices to Young Single Mothers that if they do NOT get their child
Immunised, they will be cut off from Family benefits, etc.
Which is, quite simply, bludgeoning the lower classes with legal and
economic threats... The curious thing is that it is illegal to make this
threat, *and* the Department concerned has been called over it many times...
Yet they continue to threaten.
The power of Doctors, or should I say, their Pharmecitical Dark Lord's ...
is immense. Rockerfeller would be pleased.
Still... The information is out there for anyone who cares to track it down.
You can't expect a Robber Baron to tell you things that will lose him
money...
Would you believe, my brother... a respected and highly paid computer
programmer... decided to educate all of his NINE children at home (He is
Catholic) and some little social worker tried to threaten him, and say that
he would lose all his children if he did not send them to school.
His laughter drove her out of the house <G>
:Knowledge can bring us the power to laugh in the face on mindless
authority!! HA hA ha!!
er... I think ... If no one minds, that is <G?
Love
Michael
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"The Indians" <donot...@interbulletin.bogus> wrote in message
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> "Michael" <wallyboy@.iprimus.com.au> wrote in article
> <3af9...@news.iprimus.com.au> :
> >Well... The Indians claim the method of healing is 40,000 years old, and
> >that the Chinese got their ideas from Auyevedic scripts...
> >
> >Depac? Amazing how a Butcher from Calcutta can improve himself, hey? He
gave
> >a talk here recently, and said the the audence "Thank you so much for
giving
> >me such a large amount of money so I can tell you something you already
> >know..."
> >
> >And they APPLAUDED! Egad!
> >
> >Love
> >
> >Michael.
>
> Harold actually owns Eckankar, and Eckankar is worth millions of dollars.
Does he get much applause at Eck Seminars?
>
>
Oh here we go... Some little person out there trying to make an issue out
of... what exactly?
Actually... If you care to come back with some facts that are correct, and
an argument that makes sense, please do so.
Love
Michael
Ken
"Michael" <wallyboy@.iprimus.com.au> wrote ...
>
> Oh here we go... Some little person out there trying to make an issue out
> of... what exactly?
>
> Actually... If you care to come back with some facts that are correct, and
> an argument that makes sense, please do so.
And if they don't come back, no one here will loose any sleep AT ALL
wondering where s/he is and what s/he's doing.
Ken
Tom Leafeater
You are right about the chicken pox and measles being worse with adults. I
contracted chicken pox as an adult, and was sick for three weeks with fever,
severe chills, profuse sweating, and those nasty blisters, of course. It was
the longest period that I'd ever been sick as an adult. I put aloe vera on the
blisters, otherwise just rode it out naturally. Felt as though I were in an
altered state for a while. I had scraped up a piece of chewing gum a child had
left on the floor, which was the probable point of contact.
-Leafeater
Michael
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Well... they certainly are not as important as US, hey?? <G>
I do wonder about these odd little phurby posters who trot in with some
grand "thing" and disappear to the woodwork... Where do they go? IS there a
Phurby Poster graveyard out there?
Love
Michael
Ken
"Michael" <wallyboy@.iprimus.com.au> wrote ...
>
> "Ken" wrote...
> > And if they don't come back, no one here will loose any sleep AT ALL
> > wondering where s/he is and what s/he's doing.
> >
>
> Well... they certainly are not as important as US, hey?? <G>
Not to me! (Honesty is sometimes underappreciated IMO ;->)
>
> I do wonder about these odd little phurby posters who trot in with some
> grand "thing" and disappear to the woodwork... Where do they go? IS there a
> Phurby Poster graveyard out there?
There's a Recycle bin right outside the door. That's where they go 'till
they come back for another go-round.
Ken