Cuirt an Mhean Oiche, The Midnight Court. Daniel Felber on Trial shortly
The Archdruid of Ireland
(of the Druids)
will sit on this forum at Midnight tonight, Irish Time, British Time,
I.00 a.m. Wed, CET,
7.00 p.m. New York, 5.30 p.m. Mid-USA, 4.00 p.m. Los Angeles/San
Francisco/Californian Time, Pacific,
in the matter of the Allegation of Alex Moshe, Plaintiff v Daniel
Felber, Defendant.
All will remain silent while the Judge's verdict is delivered, the
loser to pay any espenses, costs.
The winner to retain his good name and character. The loser to lose
face.
(This has been a long ordeal for all on this forum who would, like me,
prefer discussions here to be confined to Druidry and related
subjects, descent, pride, traditions, origins, poetry, music and verse
etc., as has been called for repeatedly over the last few days in
particular on this Forum. The Court agrees in deference to all those
we serve in the Druid Community).
The Principals Alex Moshe & Daniel Felber may now enter any last-
minute statements, pleas and evidences which are to be respected,
beginning now.
A Plea of Not Guilty will be entered to the Court on behalf of the
Defendant Daniel Felber 1X2 Willows. Verdicts of the Court include
Guilty, Not Proven, Not Guilty.
Any who wish to speak on behalf of the Defendant may speak now.
The Plaintiff Alex Moishe must speak for himself, as he does through
his Statement of Complaint entered upon the Court's Record.
the Defendant may have any amount of persons to speak for him on his
behalf, and he may speak for as long and as often as he wishes to
defend himself.
Court will commence in session in an hour's time.
No alcoholic drinks, drugs, smoking, mobile (cell) phones or cameras
permitted within the precincts of the Court for the duration, the
Courthouse Precincts to consist of this Forum
Drunks and riotous persons will be forcibly removed and may be held to
be in contempt of Court.
The Court's Final Decision may be copied and pasted to any other
relevant forums. All media may copy.
The Registrar,
An Caraitheoir.
Cuirt an Mhean Oiche,
The Midnight Court
(of the Druids).
Motto: An Fhirinne in aghaidh an Domhain - The Truth against the
World
The Archdruid of Ireland
Usher : Oyez, Oyez, Oyez, this Court will shortly be in session, the
Right Honourable Judge Michael McGrath presiding, God WSave Ireland,
God Bless America !
The Archdruid of Ireland
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Usher: There will be no cursing, shouting, spitting or fighting while
this Court is in session.
The Archdruid of Ireland
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Usher: All rise for The Right Honourable Judge Michael McGrath.
The Archdruid of Ireland
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Judge McGrath: Next case, Seargeant-at-Arms...
Sergeant at Arms: Case of The Plaintiff Alex Moishe v The Defendant
Daniel Felber.
Prosecutor: The Defendant Daniel Felber, aka 1X2 Willows, that he did
deliberately and unlawfully commit lewd sexual acts upon the Plaintiff
on divers occasions in breach of the criminal law, that he did in this
manner commit Felonious Sexual Assault upon a Minor
Judge McGrath: Will the defendant rise ?
Prosecutor: Judge, the Defendant is not in Court as we believe he is
preparing to flee the jurisdiction...
Judge McGrath: I wonder for what ? The Court hereby directs a plea of
Not Guilty on the defendant Daniel Felber's behalf. Is the Plaintiff
here ?
Prosecutor: No, Judge, but he instructs that he wants Justice against
Felber for all the harm caused to him, plus apology, plus general and
punitive damages...
Judge McGrath: He's not looking for much, is he ? Proceed !
Prosecutor: We have a copy of this Statement as published on a.r.d.,
posted there by The Plaintiff Alex Moishe there on 17/08/2008. We also
have a further plea from him on a.r.d on the same date, again accusing
Felber and seeking justice, in poor pigdin English we admit, but
nevertheless understandable of a man in great anguish having suffered
at the hands of a monstrous paedophile as a child...
Judge McGrath: Enough ! What age is The Accused, Felber ?
Prosecutor: We believe him to be in his 50's...
Judge McGrath: According to the Plaintiff's original statement, I make
out this Felber to be only 33 years of age, also there is no mention
by Moishe of where the offences alleged are supposed to have occurred,
just some hint concerning the Lucerne Police, Lucerne is a big slice
of Switzerland, what say you ?
Prosecutor: But, Judge, The Plaintiff says he was so upset that he
didn't know and can't remember what age Felber was...
Judge McGrath: But yet The Plaintiff Alex Moishe states in this
Statement proferred as evidence to this Court by you that Felber
sexually assaulted him five nights a week over as many years, doesn't
add up, does it ?
Prosexcutor: No, Judge, but this Felber is a right blackguard, we have
been after him for a long time...
Judge McGrath: I find this to be a case of mistaken identity and I am
therefore now throwing it out of Court, Case Dismissed ! Costs and
expenses awarded against Alex Moishe. Court adjourned to the November
Assizes !
Usher: All rise...
The Archdruid of Ireland
Claraithoir (Registrar) was inavertently spelled incorrectly be me
above. Irish Language students here , please note the correct spelling
as given here - CLARAITHEOIR. Michael. (I do not worry about English
words so long as they are plainly understandable, after all we do all
the time have to spell horrifically on text phones, and nobody minds.
Cheers, Michael.
Cormac Mac Carthaigh
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WARNING: THIS MAN MICHAEL McGRATH (Archdruid of Ireland) IS A NEO-
NAZI
http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/apgnhw1.htm
http://oda.chez-alice.fr/geismgrr.htm
http://fakedruid.org/
http://www.geocities.com/irishafa/gallery.html
http://guydecervens.blogspot.com/2007/05/michael-mcgrath-neo-nazi-and...
http://www.keltia.de/Avalon/Internationale_News/Geis/geis.html#deutsch
http://groups.msn.com/CromansGrove/apada2.msnw
http://orderofdruidsinireland.wetpaint.com/
Jim
"Cormac Mac Carthaigh" <guydec...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ !
1X2Willows
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> Usher: All rise for The Right Honourable Judge Michael McGrath.
Man what a blooming nut. Same delusional judge-itis like the other one.
Time to visit Jim's polyester wigwam for an application to his SAD.
The Archdruid of Ireland
> "The Archdruid of Ireland" <PhotographerOfKilke...@gmail.com> wrote in
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> > Usher: All rise for The Right Honourable Judge Michael McGrath.
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> Man what a blooming nut. Same delusional judge-itis like the other one.
> Time to visit Jim's polyester wigwam for an application to his SAD.
Bet you're happy all the same, Dan !
You're cleared at the highest and most impeccable level.
Beyond that I cannot comment further on any of my Court cases (Judges
Rules).
Congratulations,
Michael.
1X2Willows
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> Man what a blooming nut. Same delusional judge-itis like the other one.
> Time to visit Jim's polyester wigwam for an application to his SAD.
: Bet you're happy all the same, Dan !
: You're cleared at the highest and most impeccable level.
As they say... Your "ruling" and 4.50 get me a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
Careful with those bouncing reality checks now! :)
The Archdruid of Ireland
> "The Archdruid of Ireland" <PhotographerOfKilke...@gmail.com> wrote
I simply cannot make any further comment on the case in question, or
on anyhting to do with it, or I would be in contempt of my own Court
under Judges Rules, please appreciate this, Thank You, Michael.
1X2Willows
Yeah, what I said.
"my own Court" being the relevant part. :-D
(Taken your meds lately?)
Noinden
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> > Usher: All rise for The Right Honourable Judge Michael McGrath.
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> Man what a blooming nut. Same delusional judge-itis like the other one.
> Time to visit Jim's polyester wigwam for an application to his SAD.
What do you expect? His voices keep talking to him ;)
1X2Willows
On Aug 20, 9:20 am, "1X2Willows" wrote:
> "The Archdruid of Ireland" <PhotographerOfKilke...@gmail.com> wrote
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> Man what a blooming nut. Same delusional judge-itis like the other one.
> Time to visit Jim's polyester wigwam for an application to his SAD.
: What do you expect? His voices keep talking to him ;)
Must be "ancestral" voices if you know what I mean.
That's what inbreeding and 'blood line' eugenics do to you. ;)
The Archdruid of Ireland
Of course, that's it !
We need new blood,
Virgin's -
Noinden :-)
Noinden
Of course this also makes him think he has any real authority as
well ;) No one recongnises him, so he pretends. I think he rolled a 20
vs reality save
The Archdruid of Ireland
"No one recognises him" ???
Sonny, I spend my days dodging the media and the fans,
and looking back longingly to those nostalgic days before Providence
made me.
P.S. Nobody KNOWS you :-)
So sit tight and learn, if you can.
The Archdruid of Ireland
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BTW, I hear you're starting your Junior Freshman's in October,
Best of Irish Luck, get down to it, head down,
Study hard - and you should make Ph.D in seven years time,
maybe even six,
and you'll still be young enough -
Be thankful for small mercies, sonny.
(Pat on the head).
Michael.
1X2Willows
You're talking to yourself again Michael.
Time to take your meds.
The Archdruid of Ireland
> "The Archdruid of Ireland" <PhotographerOfKilke...@gmail.com> wrote in
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Pss it on like a good man to your little understudy, Noinden, Thanks,
Michael.
The Archdruid of Ireland
1X2Willows
: Pss it on like a good man to your little understudy, Noinden, Thanks,
: Michael.
I hope Gareth won't fall for your immature strategy of "name calling"
anymore like Ruiseart won't, anymore. Find your attention somewhere else.
Noinden
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He does not exist old friend ;) He is a sick old man with no legacy to
pass on.
1X2Willows
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>> I hope Gareth won't fall for your immature strategy of "name calling"
> anymore like Ruiseart won't, anymore. Find your attention somewhere else.
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> pass on.
Right pain in the butt however! and thanks for the compliment. ;o)
Noinden
> "Noinden" <thear...@gmail.com> wrote
OF course he's a pain in the arse. But you and I can be as well. The
difference is we don't try to make people buy into a fantasy!
The Archdruid of Ireland
> "The Archdruid of Ireland" <PhotographerOfKilke...@gmail.com> wrote
Cheap coffee in Starbucks for for the Lower Order,
such as cheap-shod fellas like Dan :-)
Cheers,
Michael.
1X2Willows
On Aug 20, 2:00 pm, "1X2Willows" wrote:
> "Noinden" wrote
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> >> I hope Gareth won't fall for your immature strategy of "name calling"
> > anymore like Ruiseart won't, anymore. Find your attention somewhere
> > else.
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> > He does not exist old friend ;) He is a sick old man with no legacy to
> > pass on.
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> Right pain in the butt however! and thanks for the compliment. ;o)
: OF course he's a pain in the arse. But you and I can be as well.
Ooops. Now that you mention it.
> The difference is we don't try to make people buy into a fantasy!
Like the Druids came from Atlantis, settled in Ireland but the Celts
never made it there? :o)
The Archdruid of Ireland
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I'll look for your advice when I require it, Thanks -
After I ask everybody else in the world for their advice first !
There's no need for you to drag that Good Fellow, Ruiseart, into it -
we understand one another well, having similar musical interests,
and being both Gaelic Druids as well - not the Swiss-German variety
that never existed !
He rightly cut you off diplomatically
After your vicious barb at him yesterday,
When you tried to compromise him -
Ruiseart possesses Integrity,
You can only spell it :-)
Cheers,
Michael.
1X2Willows
Cheers,
Michael.
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That was NOT! a nice response to Noinden.
Take your meds Mikey.
Noinden
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Like I care what the town drunk thinks? Mikey is not on my radar. He
actually has not shown any Druidic Knowledge, so is no Druid. He'd
never pass the exams to begin with. I wonder how many Ogams he can
recite? He probably follows the Graves ideal, while I much prefer Ms
Laurie's work.
The Archdruid of Ireland
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Wong-spelling, it's OGHAM,
Get back to your understudies, Freshman :-)
The Archdruid of Ireland
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Wrong !
The Archdruid of Ireland
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Ogham came toward the end of the Druid era in Ireland,
circa 200 - 400 AD
as the monks flooded in here,
Most academics are agreed on this,
But Searles disagrees with me,
So we just agree to disagree.
Michael.
The Archdruid of Ireland
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Personally, I believe
that the Latter Druids used Ogham
as pointers for us, their descendants,
when they knew their time was coming to a close.
Certainly that fine Ogham Stone of Dunmore Head, deciphered,
would point to this Druidic use for the Ogham.
The Ogham stone pillars have survived,
I could possibly go along with Searles
that there was an earlier Ogham
devoted by the Druids to divination
and would love to hear more from him about it
(He is the Master of Ogham on this Forum) -
But my research, conflicting a bit with his,
still goes on
like so much more in Druidry,
So, no, I can't contadict Searles just yet...
Michael.
1X2Willows
> Wong-spelling, it's OGHAM,
> Get back to your understudies, Freshman :-)
Actually, it's not.
Ogam is OE, Ogham is newer spelling.
You owe Gareth an apology.
Jim
Michael.
The sign of a true Druid, an open and flexable mind.
I still insist you are the one and only Druid on this forum.
Searles couldn't qualify to be a wart on a Druids ass. He just spouts words
that he read in some book. No formal learning or initiation.
Jim
1X2Willows
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> Searles couldn't qualify to be a wart on a Druids ass. He just spouts
> words that he read in some book. No formal learning or initiation.
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> Jim
Still on that Searles Crusade after all these years, aren't you.
What a miserable, pitiful loser.
Noinden
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The correct spelling in OLD Irish is Ogam (og-um). In modern Irish it
is Ogham (Ohm or Oh-am). This can be found in "A Guide to Ogam" By
Damian McMannus.
Thus you are mistaken.
Noinden
> "The Archdruid of Ireland" <PhotographerOfKilke...@gmail.com> wrote
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> > Get back to your understudies, Freshman :-)
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> Actually, it's not.
> Ogam is OE, Ogham is newer spelling.
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> You owe Gareth an apology.
Like I would accept one from this jerk? is enech is non existent and
his honor price is well, let's say they don't go that small anymore :)
1X2Willows
On Aug 20, 4:07 pm, "1X2Willows" wrote:
> "The Archdruid of Ireland" <PhotographerOfKilke...@gmail.com> wrote
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> > Wong-spelling, it's OGHAM,
> > Get back to your understudies, Freshman :-)
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> Actually, it's not.
> Ogam is OE, Ogham is newer spelling.
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> You owe Gareth an apology.
: Like I would accept one from this jerk? is enech is non existent and
: his honor price is well, let's say they don't go that small anymore :)
I'll trade you a dead chicken?
The Archdruid of Ireland
I'd prefer a live one - like you :-)
The Archdruid of Ireland
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Aaaargh, do I have to teach nitpicking hair-splitters like you and
Noinden AGAIN (and for free as well !!! )
You are wrong, go and stand in the corner with the dunce's caps on
(fits your pointed head well, Dan, heh heh heh):
The word Ogham as it appears in the modern Irish of today.
It is pronounced the same.
There is no spelling difference, except an apparent one.
As I was going through school, the seimhiu, the Dot, was replaced by a
"h" placed after the consonant, over which the seimhiu was originally
placed when I started school as an infant.
Thus Ogham was spelled originally as Ogam, BUT with a seimhiu, dot,
over the "g" , which renders the "g" silent in pronunciation.
Thus "Ogam" with the dot (seimhiu) over the "g" and "Ogham" are both
the same words pronounced the same, pronounced with a silent "g" which
gives you the sound, "Oam", and that is the way to pronounce it, the
"g" is ignored as if not there at all.
Under the "new" system of replacing the "dot" (seimhiu) introduced as
late as my schooldays, I remember it well, the "dot" (seimhiu) was
replaced by the consonant "h" after the consonant not to be sounded.
In other cases the "dot" over a letter, such as B indicates that the
"B" be pronounced as "V" .
There is no such word as "Ogam" or "Ogum" in Irish Gaelic - best ask
Ruiseart about Scotys gaelic.
It is "Ogham" in the new,
OR "Ogam" in the Old with the dot (seimhiu) placed over the "g" .
If that isn't too much for you two, come out of the corner, take off
your dunces hats and resume your seats - AND -
while I go for a cup of Barrys Tea, and generally enjoy myself, write
out one the line hundred times :
"I must not be a nit-picking hair-splitting Druid student."
Cheers,
Michael.
The Archdruid of Ireland
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And have those lines ready for me, neatly written, when I return to
the classroom from my tea and bickies in twenty minutes time -
otherwise all hell will break lose !!!
Thank you, Boys,
Michael.
The Archdruid of Ireland
(That's the trouble with those youngsters of today like Dan and
Noinden, no backbone, no spit-and-polish, no sight of the bigger
picture, no disclipline, two years in the Army, that's what they need
to straighten themselbves out, before they even think of becoming
Druids or anything else ! ).
Cheers,
Michael
(a.k.a The Mad Lieutenant).
Elaine Stutt
> "The Archdruid of Ireland" <Photographe...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> You're talking to yourself again Michael.
>> Time to take your meds.
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> : Pss it on like a good man to your little understudy, Noinden, Thanks,
> : Michael.
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> I hope Gareth won't fall for your immature strategy of "name calling"
> anymore like Ruiseart won't, anymore. Find your attention somewhere else.
Ahem, whereas you had a right to twig on his grosser insult, you are now
just feeding the troll...while advising Ruiseart and Gareth not to do so.
He probably enjoys your snipes more than he does Ruiseart's pleasantries.
Hot day. Just waiting for the temperature outside to get low enough that
I can open the window. In the meantime the temp and humidex is slowing
going up in here - or is the stuffy hot air just all the troll jaws
flapping?
Elaine
The Archdruid of Ireland
> "1X2Willows" (nos...@least.invalid) writes:
"He" ???
How's the Comic library in Carleton these days ?
Look, we're busy here selling Ma Bonewitz' mattresses,
so why don't you just "strutt" off ,
Hey, write a few more fluffy FAQ's while you're at it, Elaine,
Can't you see I'm busy teaching young fools here,
please be mannerly in future and knock on my classroom door before
entering,
there's a good woman,
I think Searles wants a cup of Barrys tea...
Cheers,
Michael.
PS: Strutt, what a really genuine Gaelic name !
The Archdruid of Ireland
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Oh, by the way, Elaine, I know where all that hot air is coming from
inside your house...
but you don't want me to tell you, do you -
For you are the fattest troll of all !
A good shit stirrer too,
Fabulous how you arrived just in time to safe "Gareth" (how nice), and
Dan, from complete and utter humiliation at the hands of a native
Irish Speaker !
Cheers,
Michael.
The Archdruid of Ireland
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Strutt, Bonewitz, Felber, Thomas - what lovely line-up of Gaelic Druid
surnames, Haw Haw Haw,
Ruiseart agus Ceit
>The word Ogham as it appears in the modern Irish of today.
>It is pronounced the same.
>There is no spelling difference, except an apparent one.
>As I was going through school, the seimhiu, the Dot, was replaced by a
>"h" placed after the consonant, over which the seimhiu was originally
>placed when I started school as an infant.
>
>Thus Ogham was spelled originally as Ogam, BUT with a seimhiu, dot,
>over the "g" , which renders the "g" silent in pronunciation.
>
>Thus "Ogam" with the dot (seimhiu) over the "g" and "Ogham" are both
>the same words pronounced the same, pronounced with a silent "g" which
>gives you the sound, "Oam", and that is the way to pronounce it, the
>"g" is ignored as if not there at all.
This is correct.
>Under the "new" system of replacing the "dot" (seimhiu) introduced as
>late as my schooldays, I remember it well, the "dot" (seimhiu) was
>replaced by the consonant "h" after the consonant not to be sounded.
>
>In other cases the "dot" over a letter, such as B indicates that the
>"B" be pronounced as "V" .
>
>There is no such word as "Ogam" or "Ogum" in Irish Gaelic - best ask
>Ruiseart about Scotys gaelic.
Same as the Irish.
>It is "Ogham" in the new,
>
>OR "Ogam" in the Old with the dot (seimhiu) placed over the "g" .
This is how I've always understood it to be.
Le beannachdan,
Ruiseart.
--
Ruiseart Alcorn - Celtic folk/rock music
http://www.myspace.com/ruiseartalcorn
Gaelic Druid Order
http://www.geocities.com/gdosc/
Noinden
However the point is I was not wrong as asserted. I did not claim he
was either, just that I prefer the OE spelling to the modern ;)
Noinden
> "1X2Willows" (nos...@least.invalid) writes:
Apart from one reply (the Ogam vs Ogham one) I am not directly
replying to him ;)
Noinden
You assume that neither Dan nor I spent anytime in the military. I
know the swiss rules about this, and I certainly served.
Try again, and you have no authority over anyone.
Recite some Ogams to prove this so called "ancestral" position you
claim.
1X2Willows
On Aug 21, 1:21 am, "Ruiseart agus Ceit"
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: However the point is I was not wrong as asserted. I did not claim he
: was either, just that I prefer the OE spelling to the modern ;)
Every expert in the field that I've ever read spelled it plain Ogam in
conversation about it, unless there was a linguistic point to make
in which case they used that dot. :) You were absolutely right.
Noinden
> "Noinden" <thear...@gmail.com> wrote
> : However the point is I was not wrong as asserted. I did not claim he
> : was either, just that I prefer the OE spelling to the modern ;)
>
> Every expert in the field that I've ever read spelled it plain Ogam in
> conversation about it, unless there was a linguistic point to make
> in which case they used that dot. :) You were absolutely right.
Here is the problem, Our resident fruit bat, despite his claims of
being a real druit (tm) has no knowledge about OE. Which is ammusing,
as he and Jimbo are frothing over living in there here and now, while
attacking groups for not honoring the "old ways" (tm).
As I said I prefer Erynn Rowan Laurie's book to the others.
My guess is Mikey would also use the Forfeda, something most serious
Ogam users (be it divination, magic, or just plain wankery) don't do.
Now Graves, and his following fruit bats do :D
1X2Willows
Yeah you're probably right. Time to leave the psycho frothing at the mouth
and turn my attention to more druidic things again, like that La Tčne era
burial mound close to my home town back in CH. Unfortunately, it had to
make way for some high-speed railway line and they had to excavate it
in a real hurry to meet schedules. Results should be in just about now.
The Archdruid of Ireland
> "Elaine Stutt" wrote
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> > "1X2Willows" writes:
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> >>> You're talking to yourself again Michael.
> >>> Time to take your meds.
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> >> : Pss it on like a good man to your little understudy, Noinden, Thanks,
> >> : Michael.
>
> >> I hope Gareth won't fall for your immature strategy of "name calling"
> >> anymore like Ruiseart won't, anymore. Find your attention somewhere else.
>
> > Ahem, whereas you had a right to twig on his grosser insult, you are now
> > just feeding the troll...while advising Ruiseart and Gareth not to do so.
>
> > He probably enjoys your snipes more than he does Ruiseart's pleasantries.
>
> > Hot day. Just waiting for the temperature outside to get low enough that
> > I can open the window. In the meantime the temp and humidex is slowing
> > going up in here - or is the stuffy hot air just all the troll jaws
> > flapping?
>
> Yeah you're probably right. Time to leave the psycho frothing at the mouth
> burial mound close to my home town back in CH. Unfortunately, it had to
> make way for some high-speed railway line and they had to excavate it
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That's being a Preservationist, not a Druid !
Dan & Understudy Noinden, BAD LOSERS, Ye were trounced. Ruiseart
confirmed. I'll run his confirmation again for you. Elaine Strutt made
a disgace of herself, backing you two "Druids-As-Wished-For". Pity,
she is bent on destroying the Integrity and Good Name she once
possessed.That makes me sad. I shall pray for her on the Mound.
Michael.
The Archdruid of Ireland
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> Gaelic Druid Orderhttp://www.geocities.com/gdosc/
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1X2Willows
On Aug 21, 8:13 am, "1X2Willows" wrote:
> "Noinden" wrote
>
> : However the point is I was not wrong as asserted. I did not claim he
> : was either, just that I prefer the OE spelling to the modern ;)
>
> Every expert in the field that I've ever read spelled it plain Ogam in
> conversation about it, unless there was a linguistic point to make
> in which case they used that dot. :) You were absolutely right.
: Here is the problem, Our resident fruit bat, despite his claims of
: being a real druit (tm) has no knowledge about OE. Which is ammusing,
: as he and Jimbo are frothing over living in there here and now, while
: attacking groups for not honoring the "old ways" (tm).
Well, at least he's a native modern Irish speaker which is more than
can be said about his handler and biggest fan. ;) That one's not even
fluent in Cromwell's Lingo.
: As I said I prefer Erynn Rowan Laurie's book to the others.
Which one specifically? This one?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ogam-Weaving-Erynn-Rowan-Laurie/dp/1905713029
(and yes, she spells it Ogam too ;)
: My guess is Mikey would also use the Forfeda, something most serious
: Ogam users (be it divination, magic, or just plain wankery) don't do.
: Now Graves, and his following fruit bats do :D
Thanks for the spark. Learned something new again, as I wasn't aware
of five 'classic' forfeda and then the sum of all of them by that name.
The Archdruid of Ireland
> "Noinden" wrote
> On Aug 21, 8:13 am, "1X2Willows" wrote:
>
> > "Noinden" wrote
>
> > : However the point is I was not wrong as asserted. I did not claim he
> > : was either, just that I prefer the OE spelling to the modern ;)
>
> > Every expert in the field that I've ever read spelled it plain Ogam in
> > conversation about it, unless there was a linguistic point to make
> > in which case they used that dot. :) You were absolutely right.
>
> : Here is the problem, Our resident fruit bat, despite his claims of
> : being a real druit (tm) has no knowledge about OE. Which is ammusing,
> : as he and Jimbo are frothing over living in there here and now, while
> : attacking groups for not honoring the "old ways" (tm).
>
> Well, at least he's a native modern Irish speaker which is more than
> can be said about his handler and biggest fan. ;) That one's not even
> fluent in Cromwell's Lingo.
>
> : As I said I prefer Erynn Rowan Laurie's book to the others.
>
> (and yes, she spells it Ogam too ;)
>
> : My guess is Mikey would also use the Forfeda, something most serious
> : Ogam users (be it divination, magic, or just plain wankery) don't do.
> : Now Graves, and his following fruit bats do :D
>
> Thanks for the spark. Learned something new again, as I wasn't aware
> of five 'classic' forfeda and then the sum of all of them by that name.
I read the Filiocht of Oisin in Old Irish for pleasure !
All of the Fili who survive in print as well, in the Old Irish in
which they composed their poems - eat your black heart out, Kraut !
Anything else, Loser ? "Druid-As-Wished-For" ?
I know so mucyh about the Fili that they have virtually become my own
family over the years.
Cheers,
Michael.
The Archdruid of Ireland
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Laurie is not an Irish Speaker as I am. In fact she has no Irish at
all except bits from dictionaries. I remain singularly unimpressed by
her, as I have told her bluntly, and all the rest of her ilk too.
Cheers,
Michael.
The Archdruid of Ireland
Laurie spouts extreme left-wing politics, an old Left-Over, she is,
like you, either talking to fools or to herself most of the time . She
is not a Druid, just a contrary old woman, and has never had anything
at all of substance to offer, and whatever little she had, she is all
dried up now. Another poser !
Cheers,
Michael.
Noinden
> "Noinden" wrote
> : My guess is Mikey would also use the Forfeda, something most serious
> : Ogam users (be it divination, magic, or just plain wankery) don't do.
> : Now Graves, and his following fruit bats do :D
>
> Thanks for the spark. Learned something new again, as I wasn't aware
> of five 'classic' forfeda and then the sum of all of them by that name.
The Oldest forms of Ogam only had the 4 Aicme, then as the language
absorbed other influences they added the Forfeda. Each fid (letter)
has many meanings.
Graves was a poor Celtic Scholar, his Uncle on the other hand was not.
Thus making me wonder what the hell Robert was smoking when he ignored
the 1000 or Ogam correspondences and made up the damned tree
calendar....
I should be fair, the use of the Forfeda are personal preference. But
they really don't do much for me. They are rather ugly too in
comparison to the elegant 4 Aicme.
Kent
> I should be fair, the use of the Forfeda are personal preference. But
> they really don't do much for me. They are rather ugly too in
> comparison to the elegant 4 Aicme.
I'd presume that you use the five fid Forfeda when you do use them, as
opposed to the four fid which tries to match them up to the "four
treasures of the "Tuath de", and unbalances things by tacking them on
to the end of the four aicme?
Searles O'Dubhain
"1X2Willows" <nos...@least.invalid> wrote in message
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Forfedha just means "extra letters." They're more complex than the other
aicme and hence echo the meanings of the fedha adjacent to them in the Ogham
diagrams. Fidh for wood/letter and fedha for woods/letters.
Ogam is the spelling of Ogham when the implied "h" of Irish is not
explicitly written. Old Irish did not usually provide the "h" and hence we
have two spellings for the term/word.
My system of divination using Ogham uses the fedha aicme and the Forfedha
aicme since each has a meaning given in the Briatharogam. There's a lot
more to it that this of course since the Ogham are the "keys to wisdom."
Searles O'Dubhain
Elaine Stutt
> "Elaine Stutt" wrote
> Yeah you're probably right. Time to leave the psycho frothing at the mouth
> and turn my attention to more druidic things again, like that La Tčne era
> burial mound close to my home town back in CH. Unfortunately, it had to
> make way for some high-speed railway line and they had to excavate it
> in a real hurry to meet schedules. Results should be in just about now.
Elaine
The Archdruid of Ireland
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Wrong, the dot (seimhiu) is over the "g" in the Old Irish "Ogam" .
ALWAYS.
Cheers,
Michael.
Birgit Bucher
I would also appreciate it. :-) I think, you talk about the Mormont, the
sanctuary of the Helvetii?
Birgit
Noinden
I use the original 4 Aicme for divination and other spiritual work, I
do howevr use the Forfeda (the new letters) if I am needing to write
with Ogam (why I want to do this I ask my self every time). I've 3
sets of Ogam. One is a generic wood with the 20 original few. I've set
of Bog oak ones, that while they have the forfeda, I removed those,
and I have a set with each few being the associated wood, again with
the original 20 only.
I tend not to have single correspondences in mind when I use them.
It's a meditative aid rather than a solely divinatory one. The problem
I have with linking to the four treasures is people then link to the
“4 elements’ and I am not a thelemist influenced Pagan. I will
acknowledge, land, sky and sea, but they are not “elements”.
I’ve mentoned a book I like, Ogam: Weaving Word Wisdom, by Erynn Rowan
Laurie. She has removed all influence from Graves, Blamers, etc and
tried to tie in old, and new inspirations to the use. Admittedly she
is a CR which would explain it ;)
Read it!
1X2Willows
> "1X2Willows" wrote in message
>
>> Thanks for the spark. Learned something new again, as I wasn't aware
>> of five 'classic' forfeda and then the sum of all of them by that name.
>
> Forfedha just means "extra letters." They're more complex than the other
> aicme and hence echo the meanings of the fedha adjacent to them in the
> Ogham diagrams. Fidh for wood/letter and fedha for woods/letters.
>
> Ogam is the spelling of Ogham when the implied "h" of Irish is not
> explicitly written. Old Irish did not usually provide the "h" and hence we
> have two spellings for the term/word.
>
> My system of divination using Ogham uses the fedha aicme and the Forfedha
> aicme since each has a meaning given in the Briatharogam. There's a lot
> more to it that this of course since the Ogham are the "keys to wisdom."
Interesting, thanks. From a purely linguistic point of view, wouldn't that
also mean that "forfeda" is correct OI spelling only without 'the dot'?
Also, from what sources does the Briatharogam originate?
1X2Willows
Hoi Birgit. Schoen zu wissen dass sich hier noch andere 'Krauts' als
ich herumschlagen (wie wir von der ewiggestrigen Horde genannt werden,
bloss weil wir uns auch in gepflegtem Deutsch unterhalten koennen). ;o)
> Elaine Stutt wrote:
>> "1X2Willows" writes:
>>> "Elaine Stutt" wrote
>>
>>> Yeah you're probably right. Time to leave the psycho frothing at the
>>> mouth and turn my attention to more druidic things again, like that
>>> La Tčne era burial mound close to my home town back in CH.
>>> Unfortunately, it had to make way for some high-speed railway line
>>> and they had to excavate it in a real hurry to meet schedules.
>>> Results should be in just about now.
>>
>> If you find a link, please post it. :)
>
> I would also appreciate it. :-) I think, you talk about the Mormont, the
> sanctuary of the Helvetii?
Actually, I was thinking of the much smaller and less spectacular one
up around the region of Berne. Mormont is even better. (almost forgot) ;)
Unfortunately for us, Swiss scientific policy is to keep such projects and
results relatively secret, for fear of too much PR and the inevitable
looters and scavengers such PR normally attracts. This is the reason
why you'll hardly ever hear anything about current digs in the mass media
including the Internet, or so it has been explained to me by the cantonal
aercheologist in charge. Makes sense, somehow.
If you're genuinely interested however, all it usually takes is a friendly
written inquiry including some kind of credentials to prove legitimate
curiosity and they'll provide you with all the information you wish.
If you need specific contact addresses and the like, please let me know
in private and I'll be happy to supply those to you the best I can.
The Archdruid of Ireland
> "Birgit Bucher" wrote
>
> Hoi Birgit. Schoen zu wissen dass sich hier noch andere 'Krauts' als
> ich herumschlagen (wie wir von der ewiggestrigen Horde genannt werden,
> bloss weil wir uns auch in gepflegtem Deutsch unterhalten koennen). ;o)
>
> > Elaine Stutt wrote:
> >> "1X2Willows" writes:
> >>> "Elaine Stutt" wrote
>
> >>> Yeah you're probably right. Time to leave the psycho frothing at the
> >>> mouth and turn my attention to more druidic things again, like that
> >>> Unfortunately, it had to make way for some high-speed railway line
> >>> and they had to excavate it in a real hurry to meet schedules.
> >>> Results should be in just about now.
>
> >> If you find a link, please post it. :)
>
> > I would also appreciate it. :-) I think, you talk about the Mormont, the
> > sanctuary of the Helvetii?
>
> Actually, I was thinking of the much smaller and less spectacular one
> up around the region of Berne. Mormont is even better. (almost forgot) ;)
> Unfortunately for us, Swiss scientific policy is to keep such projects and
> results relatively secret, for fear of too much PR and the inevitable
> looters and scavengers such PR normally attracts. This is the reason
> why you'll hardly ever hear anything about current digs in the mass media
> including the Internet, or so it has been explained to me by the cantonal
> aercheologist in charge. Makes sense, somehow.
>
> If you're genuinely interested however, all it usually takes is a friendly
> written inquiry including some kind of credentials to prove legitimate
> curiosity and they'll provide you with all the information you wish.
> If you need specific contact addresses and the like, please let me know
> in private and I'll be happy to supply those to you the best I can.
I am sending an exploratory Druid party to represent our interests,
and to report back here :
Dan as Interpreter to the his fellow Masons,
Understudy Noinden,
Secretary Strutt
and cook Wineburger,
Birgit in Command
(as the only one with a genuine interest).
Cheers,
Michael
1X2Willows
>
> If you find a link, please post it. :)
> "1X2Willows" writes (to Birgit):
> If you're genuinely interested however, all it usually takes is a friendly
> written inquiry including some kind of credentials to prove legitimate
> curiosity and they'll provide you with all the information you wish.
> If you need specific contact addresses and the like, please let me know
> in private and I'll be happy to supply those to you the best I can.
Same goes for you of course, Elaine. :)
Correspondence re: Marmont is usually held in French and since
you're not one of these one trick ponies (or rather: lingo).... ;-)
The Archdruid of Ireland
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(Secretary Strutt to provide more childish FAQ's,
plus comics from the Carletin "Library" ).
The Archdruid of Ireland
Searles O'Dubhain
"1X2Willows" <nos...@least.invalid> wrote in message
From eDIL:
forfid
forfid forfedaib
Keywords: additional; letter; name for; Ogham; character; double; vowel
Letter: F
COLUMN: 335
Line: 009
? forfid
i,m. additional (?) letter (see fid, sect. d), name for an Ogham character
(see s.v. Ogum, sects. a, c) represent- ing a `défogur' or double vowel
(whether diphthong proper or orthographic device to represent a different
sound of an ordinary vowel, e.g. -ea- in `neam' heaven , Auraic. 1340
distinguished from `fid airegda' = principal (single) vowel and `taebomna' =
consonant. In ordinary Ogham there were five `forfeda': ea oi ui io ae,
forming an `aicme' or group; there were however other letters called
`forfeda' in some of the more cryptic and fanciful species of Ogham (
Auraic. 6112 - 6125 ). feda ? forfedha ? taebomna, Auraic. 426 ? . nem ...
in fid aire[g]da fil and ... ? is buigi in forfhid .i. neam, Auraic. 1342 .
gp. do duilib feda na forfid 5417 (= na fored LL 38 b 7 ). uird na forfed
LL 38 b 11 ( Auraic. 5423 ). dp. forfedaib, Auraic. 5457 . éubhadh, óir,
uilleann, ifín, amarchall, ag sin aicme na bfhoirfheadh IGT , Introd. § 4 ,
§ 12 (cf. cáoladh ceirt .a. ag dul a n-amharchall áidh mur so: lámh: don
láimh [see emoncholl], cáoladh ceirt .o. ag dul a n-óir § 14 ).
***
FORFEDA is the Old Irish spelling.
From Ó Dónaill's:
fiodh\1/ {.nm.} =
<1> tree|
<2> wood|
timber
- Masculine -
Singular
Nominative - an fiodh
Genitive - an fheá
Plural
Nominative - na feánna
Genitive - na bhfeánna
***
A "fid" in Old Irish is a "fiodh" in Modern Irish (singular). A feada in Old
Irish is a "feánna" in Modern Irish.
From eDIL:
fid
fid fiuth fedo feda feda feadha fidu fedae fiodh feadh Feda Feadhaibh
fidbretha fidbreth fid-
bhrethaibh buale fiddromandaib fid?aebraib ?idliss fidlestra fidletrenda
fidlosa fidnemeda fid?latta
Keywords: boundary-; tree; tree; wood; trees; tree-hedge; tree-trunk;
timber; wood; timber; shaft; pole; spear-shafts; walking-stick; trees; wood;
grove; Fews; letter; Ogham; alphabet; artificial; tree; alliteration; vowel;
vowels; destruction; trees; boundary; marked; tree; wood; judgment; timber;
wooden; enclosure; pen; mouse-trap; wooden; shaft; wooden; bowl; falcon;
wood-cuckoo; hawk; wooded; hill; ridge; plunder; woods; timber;
shaft-slashed; belonging; wooded; valley; bull; wooden; vessel; wooden;
clog; tree-herb; shrub; sacred; wood; grove; wooden; rod; wand
Letter: F
COLUMN: 125
Line: 071
fid
u,m. (occasionally nasalizing in n.l. : Fid nGabli LL 159 a 50 = Dinds.
11 . See Todd Lect. iv 203 ). ns. in fid Wb 5 b 42 . ds. fid Ml 146 a 5 .
fiuth, Trip. 194.19 . gs. fedo, Thes. ii 46.22 . Sg 35 b 12 . feda 12 a
5 . 70 a 12 . 121 a 1 . ind feda LU 4768 . feadha TD 13.2 . np. feda
Auraic. 952 . ap. fidu TBC 3791 , 6054 . feda LL 108 b 46 . Bodl. Corm.
s.v. serb . gp. fedae, O'Mulc. 511 (?). fidh, Auraic. 1199 . fiodh, feadh
TD 21.40 ; 28.35 . Orig. perhaps `a boundary- tree' Ped. i 41 .
d) a letter of the Ogham alphabet (each letter being called after a tree)
fid ... a airbert .i. a thapairt for v fedhaib fichit inn ogaim, Auraic.
3551 . In this sense sometimes called f.¤ saerda artificial tree: fid saerda
.i. f.¤ inn oghaim ? f.¤ aicenta f.¤ na caille, Auraic. 397 . Coic Conara
25.3 . f.¤ .i. fo ead a inde iter saerda ? daerda ? aiceanta, Lec. Gl. 215
. imord feda .i. Colman quasi comlan transposition of letters BColm. 6.5 .
fidh ? deach letter and metrical foot Anecd. v 27 n. 21 . fri fidíu [leg.
fidu] ? deuchu IT iii 24 § 3 . reim do fidh for fidh (= alliteration)
Auraic. 805 . duil feda, the name of a treatise (see dúil) : amal duiruirmi
[Fenius] isin Duil Feadha Mair, Auraic. 200 . anmand fidh ... amal fogabar
isna Duilibh Fedha inn ogaim 1199 (= isin Duili F. 4311 ). de dúlib feda
na for[f]ed LL 38 b 7 ( Auraic. 5417 ), title of tract on the Ogham
symbols for diphthongs. See dúil. duili sluinnti ? duile feda, Laws i 44.20
.
(e) esp. a vowel, distinguished fr. taebomna `consonant' : fedha ? taobomna
id est uocales et consonantes, Auraic. 2787 393 . f.¤ na filidechta ... ?
an taophomna docuirither reisin bfiodsin 3565 . f.¤ in anma prosta 3567 .
feda airegda vowels (dist. fr. forfeda `diphthongs ') 1341 . 2870 . 199 .
IGT , Introd. 4.16 . (Used inaccurately to include diphthongs) na .x. feadha
airegdha, Auraic. 427 . Cf. uillind .i. uilli na fil and .i. da cnaim no
da fid, Corm. Y 1282 ? (see uilen and 2 uillenn).
Compds. ¤ár destruction of trees: uentus maximus co ra la fidhar AU 856 .
FM iii 38.9 . ventus magnus ... con- darsgar fidhár mar isnaib caillibh AU
891 . co nderna f. 1121 . ¤bla boundary marked by a tree or wood: fidhbla,
crich son incoisce bile feada, Laws iv 142.19 Comm. ¤breth judgment
concerning timber: np. fidbretha, Laws i 182.1 . O'D. 931 (< H 3. 17 ,
658 b ). gp. fidbreth Laws iv 168.20 . dp. fid- bhrethaibh, Ir. Texts iv
26 . ¤buale a wooden enclosure or pen: as a faltaigib ? a fidbualtib LL 265
a 9 ( MU² 391 ). ¤chat `wooden cat' mouse-trap (< ON tréköttr, Marstrander,
Bidrag 46 ) : fidhcat, (gl. muscipula) Ir. Gl. 260 . amal charas in luch
biad in ?idchait PH 7738 . ¤chóem (adj.) : slega ... fidcaimi with
beautiful shafts Cog. 160.26 . ¤chrann wooden shaft (?) : ní bhoí rinn ...
for gaib ... acht a mbeith mar ?idhchrannaibh `wooden bars ' Cóir Anm. 268
. dias f. Laws iv 310.12 ( Críth G. 178 `a pair of wooden shears ', see
note), cf. MacNeill, Law of Status 291 .
¤chúach
***
I think we can see that the "h" is implied in some places and given in
others (mainly later and closer to Modern Irish).
The main sources for Ogham and for Briatharogam are Auraicept na n-Éces
[mainly from the Book of Ballymote and the Book of Leinster (Lebor Laignech,
LL or Lebor na Nuachongbála)]. The Yellow Book of Lecan and some
miscellaneous documents also contain Ogham and Briatharogam info.
Searles O'Dubhain
Jim
news:026ec633-1d96-4fe5...@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
:-)
The Archdruid of Ireland
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There is Modern Irish,
and there is Modern Irish script -
don't confuse them,
they came in at different times.
Cheers,
Michael.
Jim
"Jim" <stone...@softcom.net> wrote in message
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> "The Archdruid of Ireland" <Photographe...@gmail.com> wrote in
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> On Aug 22, 5:30 pm, The Archdruid of Ireland
> <PhotographerOfKilke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 22, 5:17 pm, The Archdruid of Ireland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <PhotographerOfKilke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Aug 22, 4:50 pm, "1X2Willows" <nos...@least.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> > > "Birgit Bucher" wrote
>>
>> > > Hoi Birgit. Schoen zu wissen dass sich hier noch andere 'Krauts' als
>> > > ich herumschlagen (wie wir von der ewiggestrigen Horde genannt
>> > > werden,
>> > > bloss weil wir uns auch in gepflegtem Deutsch unterhalten koennen).
>> > > ;o)
>>
>> > > > Elaine Stutt wrote:
>> > > >> "1X2Willows" writes:
>> > > >>> "Elaine Stutt" wrote
>>
>> > > >>> Yeah you're probably right. Time to leave the psycho frothing at
>> > > >>> the
>> > > >>> mouth and turn my attention to more druidic things again, like
>> > > >>> that
I am in possession of the old Druid Chronicles from the early eighties.
I can dig them out of a file cabined and quote from them for many a good
laugh.
Better yet I was given OBOD's early correspondence course by a disgruntled
drop out.
Lots there to get a good smile going if you like fluffy bunny poetry.
:-)
1X2Willows
> "1X2Willows" wrote
>>
Great. I guess that settled it and keeps my busy for a while. :)
Thanks again.
Searles O'Dubhain
Cheers,
Michael"
Where else would the "sheevoo" be? :-)
Of course, the "dot" is usually not written but implied (especially in
Modern Irish as in Damian McManus' _A Guide to Ogam_." The séimhiú changes,
softens or silences (lenition) the consonant to which it is applied:
http://homepage.eircom.net/~eofeasa/level01/ceacht107/miniu/107d.htm
"Séimhiú ( lenition ) is where a h is placed after the consonant to change
the sound (sometimes a t is placed before s and this is also a form of
séimhiú):
b c d f g m p s s t
bh ch dh fh gh mh ph sh (ts) th"
Searles O'Dubhain
Searles O'Dubhain
Cheers,
Michael"
There's been some changes to spelling as well. Perhaps you could provide
some pointers about this since you're "on the ground" there and have lived
through some of the changes?
I know I'd appreciate it. In many respects, my knowledge is "raw" and
unpolished by a lack of being inundated in the culture of Ireland through
living there. Things that are second nature to you are a 'stretch' for me.
I look at Draíocht in the same way sometimes. I see my own work in it like a
student's research project at university. In ancient times, this work would
be polished or guided by an advisor. Today, one has to do the work and then
hope to polish through discussion and comparing to the work of others.
Its also too bad there are not funds available to really support such work
other than the payments that are made by the state there to some poets
(approximately $25-$30,000 a year). This allows a person to focus but
doesn't really give them complete freedom to research and be creative. It's
a start and the government of Ireland is to be commended for it (though like
all governments it falls down in other areas).
Searles O'Dubhain
The Archdruid of Ireland
wrote:
> "The Archdruid of Ireland" <PhotographerOfKilke...@gmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:e99dc8f1-1028-4995...@k7g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
The reason the seinhiu (dot) was sometimes not included
is that it was not on the old linotype printing machines,
but some institutions, publishers etc
got it inserted,
others didn't
because it was too costly to rerun an entire printing just to insert
the seimhiu (dot),
satisfied ?
Cheers,
Michael.
PS: Jim should add all those early OBOD files/courses he has
to the Carleton Comic Library,
Natural Twins :-)
Cheers,
Michael.
The Archdruid of Ireland
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And, while at it, Jim, add bundles of "Green Egg Mags" to your potent
mix,
and send it all around to the New York Institute of Contemporary Art.
You'll get American Artist of the Year 2009 and become rich and world
renowned.
I guarantee it.
Every succes in your new art career,
Michael.
1X2Willows
>
> I think, you talk about the Mormont, the sanctuary of the Helvetii?
By the way... after reading what
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormont_(Berg)
has to say about it, I care to disagree a bit about the quote:
"Die Ausgrabungen bestätigen auch die Zweifel an Julius Cäsars Bericht über
den Auszug der Helvetier aus ihrer Heimat im Jahre 58 v. Chr. Sie zeigen für
diesen Zeitraum eine ungebrochene Kontinuität und Vitalität des Kultes."
Several inconsistencies.
- The 'exodus' of the Helvetii by way of Bibracte remains undisputed; only
J.C.s numbers of people which he reported back to the Roman senate were
inflated. Looks like he did so, in order to exaggerate the so-called threat
to the Empire and get more support/funding for his military excursions
against them. Now why does that sound so familiar even in modern times...
- Mormont was not only the "sanctuary of the Helvetii" but as watershed to
Rhine-Rhone equally important to the Sequani and possibly even Allobroges
who were already behind the Roman line, thus subjugated at the time.
This could explain the mentioned "continuation and vitality" on location.
- Contrary to common modern perception, not everyone of the Helvetii
joined the trek West to the Atlantic shores to the last man, woman and
child. Some did stay behind and those probably tended to Mormont as
ever before. I know I would have. ;)
The Archdruid of Ireland
Materials:
1. huge mural board
2. Oddbod course pages, Carleton comic pages, Green Egg covers.
3. Bucket of horse urine.
4. masses of glue
5. house paint
6. mountain bike
7. bucket of cowshite
8. Yard brush.
Place giant mural board in backyard. Apply glue. stick pages
haphazardly as inspired. apply cowshite as inspired. mount bike and
navigate over board as inspired. Then raise mural against gable end.
stand back and throw bucket of horse urine at mural as inspired. Then
level surface with yard brush. You're finished.
Now you only have to name your masterpiece.
Also decide who to dedicate it to.
Sign it with flourish in right-hand corner.
Cheers,
Michael.
The Archdruid of Ireland
(Keep the paint, sensibly, for your house).
Searles O'Dubhain
Cheers,
Michael."
That's why a lot of folks don't put fadas in their postings nowadays. Irish
spelling and printing has a huge variety to it which was supposedly
simplified by the revisions that occurred in the 40's and 50's of the last
century. IMO a lot of the beauty of the words was lost.
Searles O'Dubhain
Searles O'Dubhain
"Materials:
Cheers,
Michael."
Michael,
Now I'm curious. Is there a site or book where I can see some of the
products of your creative imagination and talent?
Searles O'Dubhain
The Archdruid of Ireland
Absolutely.
The Archdruid of Ireland
You want to get into the New York Institute of Contemporary Art too,
Searles ?
I only saw it on TV, the artists working there and all - Fabulous.
Definitely worth a visit.
(You are being facetious, of course, Searles, but you won't be when
I'm famous, basically the "drill" is as outlined above)
Cheers,
Michael.
The Archdruid of Ireland
Seriously, Searles, I am an amateur painter, for relaxation. It is
also a cheap way to add punch to the walls of my house. I found a
place locally here in Kilkenny, just down the road, where I can buy
mounted canvasses, ready for the application of oils or acryllics. (I
don't do watercolours, but some of the most famous artists of today
do). Oils and acryllics are cheap too in this store that I found. the
best sable brushes can be expensive, but cheap in the long run if you
treat and keep them properly.
You can do ancient Irish/Druidic/Celtic/Gaelic themes to your heart's
content. And, most important in my case, you can instantaneously get
rid of all the anger, frustration, depression, worry etc etc right out
of your mind - you can place it all down there on canvass if youlike,
but I find great calmness in painting, even in the ordinary decoration
of a wall in my house in house painting !
You can even buy an easel and go out into nature and paint it. Or you
can just head downtown with your easel, park it, start painting a town
scene or ancient building and show off !!! That's good for the soul
too. Far cheaper, better and healthier than being stuck in a pub ! And
much more enjoyable. Of course I can use my cameras, Hasselblad,
Bronica, Mamiya, Canon, Nikon, Leica, Zeiss, Minolta, huge tripods etc
etc, I've got them all, Digitals and all and more - but it's not the
same, it's true that you can put your spirit, your soul on a canvass
and love it on your wall. I am pleasantly surprised ever since I took
up painting (I was a great drawer/sketcher as a boy) by the remarks,
even astonishment, of visitors to my house when they ask, "Who's the
artist ?", and I reply, "Who do you think ???, hehehe.
Here in Kilkenny we have the very best arts exhibitions in the world
in the Arts Festival here every August, when tons of artists descend
on this small city and exhibit everywhere, actually paint there and
then in the buildings and the streets - Paris today has nothing on it,
except it's all year round there. Another Arts Festival just ended and
I've learned so much, especially from one working artist from New
Zealand who does the very best landscapes I've ever seen in a living
working painter - a real pro called Graham Brinsley, he has a studio
he comes over to down in Wexford. Graham just tacks on big canvasses
to a plastered wall with drawing pins and starts off with oils on it,
no stretched canvases required, thanks, I've never seen anybody work
like that, he is brilliant and a fab person to boot. And he makes a
comfortable living from his art producing 18 to 25 paintings a year.
His work is a joy, he sees things in an Irish landscape others son't,
and reproduces what he sees. No way can anybody with a camera do what
he does, not a chance ! (Graham comes from South Island, New
Zealand).
Anybody here can produce all the Druidic art you like, because you
have it in you already !
Cheers,
Michael.
Searles O'Dubhain
Cheers,
Michael.
*** I agree that art (and music too) are very healthy activties for the mind
and emotions as well as the soul. Deborah is much more artistic than I am
and has painted murals on the wall. I love the feel of being surrounded by
her imagination and creativity.
Searles O'Dubhain
Birgit Bucher
> "Birgit Bucher" wrote
>
> Hoi Birgit. Schoen zu wissen dass sich hier noch andere 'Krauts' als
> ich herumschlagen (wie wir von der ewiggestrigen Horde genannt werden,
> bloss weil wir uns auch in gepflegtem Deutsch unterhalten koennen).
> ;o)
Hi Dan,
Viel werde ich nicht ausrichten können, da mein Schriftenglisch zu
schlecht sein wird. :-) Aber ich lese schon seit Jahren mit und bedauere
sehr, daß die interessanten Themen durch gewisse Animositäten
untergehen. So habe ich mich mal zu Wort gemeldet, aber nicht auf
Befehl. ;-)
>> I would also appreciate it. :-) I think, you talk about the Mormont,
>> the sanctuary of the Helvetii?
>
> Actually, I was thinking of the much smaller and less spectacular one
> up around the region of Berne. Mormont is even better. (almost
> forgot) ;) Unfortunately for us, Swiss scientific policy is to keep
> such projects and results relatively secret, for fear of too much PR
> and the inevitable looters and scavengers such PR normally attracts.
> This is the reason why you'll hardly ever hear anything about current
> digs in the mass
> media including the Internet, or so it has been explained to me by
> the cantonal aercheologist in charge. Makes sense, somehow.
Seems so. But here, in the Southwest of Germany, they inform the people
quite early about such finds, they've found a few weeks ago by chance on
civil engineering works an old celtic settlement, nearby a place, where
geomantic contemplations assume an so called edgestone.
> If you're genuinely interested however, all it usually takes is a
> friendly written inquiry including some kind of credentials to prove
> legitimate curiosity and they'll provide you with all the information
> you wish.
> If you need specific contact addresses and the like, please let me
> know in private and I'll be happy to supply those to you the best I
> can.
I hope, the e-mail will reach you.
Birgit
The Archdruid of Ireland
I got it :-)
ausgesiechnet :-)
Michael.
1X2Willows
> 1X2Willows wrote:
>> "Birgit Bucher" wrote
>>
>> Hoi Birgit. Schoen zu wissen dass sich hier noch andere 'Krauts' als
>> ich herumschlagen (wie wir von der ewiggestrigen Horde genannt werden,
>> bloss weil wir uns auch in gepflegtem Deutsch unterhalten koennen).
>> ;o)
>
> Hi Dan,
> Viel werde ich nicht ausrichten können, da mein Schriftenglisch zu
> schlecht sein wird. :-) Aber ich lese schon seit Jahren mit und bedauere
> sehr, daß die interessanten Themen durch gewisse Animositäten
> untergehen. So habe ich mich mal zu Wort gemeldet, aber nicht auf
> Befehl. ;-)
Keine Sorge... hab ich schon gemerkt dass Du nur an echten Themen
interessiert bist, als Du letztes mal auf Wade und Kevin geantwortet hast.
Leider haben die sich mittlerweile auch verpisst :-( aber sei's drum...
Deine Post hat mich leider nicht erreicht. Bitte versuchs nochmal auf
1x2Willows Affenschwanz euro-celts.org; das sollte klappen. Zumal ich
mich zur Zeit um einen Job drunten in NZ fuer Arbeit an Weta's "Hobbit"
bewerbe, haben wir wahrscheinlich einiges auszutauschen, miteinander. ;)
>> [....] Makes sense, somehow.
>
> Seems so. But here, in the Southwest of Germany, they inform the people
> quite early about such finds, they've found a few weeks ago by chance on
> civil engineering works an old celtic settlement, nearby a place, where
> geomantic contemplations assume an so called edgestone.
Well, I for one would certainly love to hear more about everything connected
to Vindelici, Nemetes, Marcomanni and possibly even Volcae and Boii, since
I'm still of the opinion that there's a good chance the latter are namesakes
for all the "Bayuvaren" of today and thus inventors of the original
Oktoberfest. ;o) Kleiner Scherz am Rand. Hope to hear from you in private.
Birgit Bucher
> "Birgit Bucher" wrote
>>
>> I think, you talk about the Mormont, the sanctuary of the Helvetii?
>
> By the way... after reading what
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormont_(Berg)
> has to say about it, I care to disagree a bit about the quote:
So feel free to correct it. :-)
> "Die Ausgrabungen bestätigen auch die Zweifel an Julius Cäsars
> Bericht über den Auszug der Helvetier aus ihrer Heimat im Jahre 58 v.
> Chr. Sie zeigen für diesen Zeitraum eine ungebrochene Kontinuität und
> Vitalität des Kultes."
> Several inconsistencies.
>
> - The 'exodus' of the Helvetii by way of Bibracte remains undisputed;
> only J.C.s numbers of people which he reported back to the Roman
> senate were inflated. Looks like he did so, in order to exaggerate
> the so-called threat to the Empire and get more support/funding for
> his military excursions against them. Now why does that sound so
> familiar even in modern times...
Mankind hasn't changed ...
Nowadays Caesars descritions in his "De Bello Gallico" (Gallic Wars) are
often regarded as propaganda scripture. So it's important to learn more
about our ancestors from the archeological excavations.
> - Mormont was not only the "sanctuary of the Helvetii" but as
> watershed to Rhine-Rhone equally important to the Sequani and
> possibly even Allobroges who were already behind the Roman line, thus
> subjugated at the time. This could explain the mentioned "continuation
> and vitality" on location.
You also can find assumptions, that the helvetii actually didn't want to
migrate, it seems more, that the Romans come up against a campaign of
small tribal groups, regarding the current excavations in Mormont. Also
of interest seems, that they've found something, that could correct the
view of the religions of the celts at that time. I hope, we will hear
more about in public medias.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetier
http://www.hls-dhs-dss.ch/textes/d/D8721.php
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Mormont_(Berg)
> - Contrary to common modern perception, not everyone of the Helvetii
> joined the trek West to the Atlantic shores to the last man, woman and
> child. Some did stay behind and those probably tended to Mormont as
> ever before.
That's what's in discussion. :-) The trek West of 360.000 men and women,
with 8.500 yokes of oxen must have been 130 km in length, regarding
Caesars datas.
> I know I would have. ;)
I can imagine that well. :-)
Birgit
1X2Willows
>
> Mankind hasn't changed ...
JC's bullshit in DBG about this "looming threat by the Helvetii" sounds
just like the Bushite's claims about Iraq leading up to this useless war
against Terrorism, doesn't it. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
> Nowadays Caesars descritions in his "De Bello Gallico" (Gallic Wars) are
> often regarded as propaganda scripture. So it's important to learn more
> about our ancestors from the archeological excavations.
No doubt about it. Second-guessing is a stipulation with DBG, just as
it is in the case of monkish writings about insular states of affair in the
early middle ages. Can't believe a word they're saying without double
checking and cross referencing with more reputable sources.
> You also can find assumptions, that the helvetii actually didn't want to
> migrate,
There had been considerable resistance to this idea; that much is correct.
However, Orgetorix was still the tribe's patriarch at the time and his word
was as good as law. Never mind the fact he wanted to be elected "King"
and we snuffed him for it, just short of the migration. However, his plan
was already in place for years of preparation and had taken on a life of its
own...
> it seems more, that the Romans come up against a campaign of
> small tribal groups, regarding the current excavations in Mormont.
If you mean Bibracte, that certainly was no "small tribal group's
squirmish". Again, not as big as JC reported back to the Roman senate
in order to suck more funds and support for his personal aspirations but
still... much bigger. Much, much bigger in fact.
> Also of interest seems, that they've found something, that could correct
> the view of the religions of the celts at that time. I hope, we will hear
> more about in public medias.
Everyone does. ;)
IMHO, the first which needs correcting is the notion that so-called Celts
were polytheists. Our common, modern definition of polytheism just doesn't
stand up to the facts. It has all been tribal and local, from the get-go.
There certainly hasn't ever been a common pantheon of "gods" which Celts
were believing in (which would be a prerequisition for polytheists).
[ Thanks for links ]
>> - Contrary to common modern perception, not everyone of the Helvetii
>> joined the trek West to the Atlantic shores to the last man, woman and
>> child. Some did stay behind and those probably tended to Mormont as
>> ever before.
>
> That's what's in discussion. :-) The trek West of 360.000 men and women,
> with 8.500 yokes of oxen must have been 130 km in length, regarding
> Caesars datas.
Quatsch. :-) It was long... really really long but still not that long.
Anyone trying to 'scientifically' calculate the length of that trek based on
his numbers marching in hypothetic rank and file must be as idiotic as
JC himself, of course.
Are you actively involved in the current Wiki discussion about this or did I
read that wrong? Sorry I couldn't even check yet, because RL is presently
way more important.
>> I know I would have. ;)
>
> I can imagine that well. :-)
Glad you can. As it were, I was already preoccupied at the time with more
pressing matters somewhere else than Mormont. ;)
The Archdruid of Ireland
Looking for revenge against Julius Caesar, Dan ?
You're the greatest nutter who has ever come in here :-)
It's O.K. -
Batman and Robin will help you in your quest !
Cheers,
Michael.
ardad...@gmail.com
NAZI
http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/apgnhw1.htm
http://oda.chez-alice.fr/geismgrr.htm
http://fakedruid.org/
http://www.geocities.com/irishafa/gallery.html
http://guydecervens.blogspot.com/2007/05/michael-mcgrath-neo-nazi-and...
http://www.keltia.de/Avalon/Internationale_News/Geis/geis.html#deutsch
http://groups.msn.com/CromansGrove/apada2.msnw
http://orderofdruidsinireland.wetpaint.com/