The Psychology of a M I N I O N - Psychopath !
An Coibhi Drui
together ! Coincidence or What ?
The M I N I O N hates everything that Dan hates, but hates himself
above all, especially the Maori blood in his veins - so we alll have
to suffer because of that, and because he was never a Great Big Maori
Fighting Warrior, and never went to College either, and has no hope
of becoming a Druid .
Cheers,
Michael ..
Maybe Dan will admit the M I N I O N to his Celtic Reconstruction
Company ?
An Coibhi Drui
wrote:
But there is hope yet for the M I N I O N - The National University
of Ireland offers a law degree for Lawyers , the B.L. , nicknamed '
Bachelor of Lies ' by the cops !
The most natural degree in the world for him and Dan .
Cheers,
Michael .
1X2Willows
> Dan hates the Catholic Church as much as the KKK and the
> Orangemen do together ! Coincidence or What ?
Wrong. I'm an equal opportunity piety hater. It just so happens that
the Catholic Church is on the forefront of smearing, corrupting and
denigrating everything heathen in general and druidic specifically.
Just look at yourself and what you do. Quod erat demonstrandum.
> The M I N I O N hates everything that Dan hates, but hates himself
> above all, especially the Maori blood in his veins - so we alll have
> to suffer because of that, and because he was never a Great Big Maori
> Fighting Warrior, and never went to College either, and has no hope
> of becoming a Druid .
One of your "jokes", ey.
Searles will love it.
> Maybe Dan will admit the M I N I O N to his Celtic Reconstruction
> Company ?
I cannot accept the honours because it's not true.
An Coibhi Drui
Show me even one single document that the Catholic Church has issued
attacking Druids !
EVIDENCE PLEASE !!!
And I don''t think that the Churcch has even mentioned " Pagans "
since the time of the writing of Felire Oengusso circa 800 AD , and
even then that was written by a lowly monk, nott even by a
Biishop :--)
Even the Inquisition specifically denounced individuals as witches,
nearly all women, and for a whole variety of reasons, sometimes for no
reason at all, and not once was The Practice of Druidismm
mentioned :--)
Get your history sorted, Trot :-)
Cheers,
Michael.
( But the fact is, and I have knowledge of it, that several Irish
Druids whom I could name, became Irish Catholic Bishops, Priors and
Abbots ) .
1X2Willows
I'm not into revisionist history, neither secular nor religious.
That's your expertise all around.
"Document issued"... you're really something, funny man
stonehengeio
relentlessly, and decided to say
No documents, ie evidence exists.
At least he is not a copy cat parrot like you, and doesn't sound like
spam.
1X2Willows
Show me a document by the US government ordering the deliberate
distribution of small pox infected wool blankets to Native American tribes.
An Coibhi Drui
>
> - Show quoted text -
On Nov 10, 1:31 am, "1X2Willows" <nos...@least.invalid> wrote:
> An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>> On Nov 9, 3:33 pm, "1X2Willows" wrote:
>
> >>>> [quote]
>
> >>>> Michael J. McGrath, Chief Lieutenant, National Socialist Party,
> >>>> 18 Dominic Street, Kilkenny City.
>
> >>>>http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/S/0121/S.0121.198811300008.html
> >>>> (pos 978)
>
> >>>> [unquote]
>
> >> The Chief Queer of Ireland presented that in the Senate
>
> > I have never seen a copy of it, and I don't know of anybody who ever
> > has - maybe Senator David Norris is not as big a Fool as we all think
> > he is :--)
>
> > Cheers,
> > Michael
>
> Sure. I bet Senator Norris also wrote those dozens of fascist rants on the
> White Power Stormfront board in your namehttp://orderofdruidsinireland.wetpaint.com/page/Hate+material+on+Ku+K...
>
> All that effort just to get back at you for.... what?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
No, Con did the honours there - maybe they're together in it, you'd
never know with these political types - I do know that they know one
another well, are friends, and of course have worked together on Save
Tara and the like.
I do know that anyone would want to be at least a moderator on
Stormfront and such sites to know who is really posting there, who is
really who, as it gets really labrynthine in such circles, to which I
am not privy, because I do not wish to be privy because I disagree
with them - but I do support their right to Freedom of Speech because
I do not pursue any Trotskyist International agenda to the contrary,
to my mind you deserve one another .
And I see that you also quote this " guy decervens" who stole the name
of a dead French hero of the Legion, as discovered by me , and quite
rightly denounced by Sizzle here after he investigated thoroughly . To
quote such frauds is to encourage them - but then you are the Biggest
Fraud ever on this NG yourself !
And now you insist that Stonehengio is a liar because he phoned and
found out the Truth that there is no ' Damian' in the Black Cat Pub,
and gave the lie to your lie compounding the
M I N I O N' s original lie .
Cheers,
Michael .
stonehengeio
An Coibhi Drui
>
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First I heard of anything like that, would regard such a view as that
of an utter Eejit :-)
An Coibhi Drui
>
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Well you could at least read the history before you open your big
mouth to denounce anybody or anything or any institution !
We Druids of Ireland do not encourage anybody to attack any churches
or religions, recognising that there is a spark of the divine in them
all. We. simply, like an old Druid, John of Stonehenge, preached,
believe that God ( however you understand the ' god'' principle ,
scientific, theological, philosophical or otherwise ) is far too big
for any one church to understand .
We feel that attacking churches and religions openly on Druid
Newsgroups and websites is in fact counter-productive, negative and
ill thought-out. And, in any case, we do not feel any urge to attack
anybody on the grounds of his or her religion, we've seen enough of
that in the six north-eastern counties of Ireland to last us many
lifetimes.
And if you or anybody else thinks that you prove yourselve to be great
powerful pagans by spewing hatred of churches and religion over the
internet , then you are totally misguided, irresponsible and unfit to
speak on behalf of pagans, and especially on behalf of Druids !
Michael .
stonehengeio
1X2Willows
> On Nov 10, 1:42 am, "1X2Willows" wrote:
>> An Coibhi Drui wrote:
>>
>>> ( But the fact is, and I have knowledge of it, that several Irish
>>> Druids whom I could name, became Irish Catholic Bishops, Priors and
>>> Abbots ) .
>>
>> I'm not into revisionist history, neither secular nor religious.
>> That's your expertise all around.
>>
>> "Document issued"... you're really something, funny man
>
> mouth to denounce anybody or anything or any institution !
>
> We Druids of Ireland do not encourage anybody to attack any churches
> or religions, recognising that there is a spark of the divine in them
> all. We. simply, like an old Druid, John of Stonehenge, preached,
> believe that God ( however you understand the ' god'' principle ,
> scientific, theological, philosophical or otherwise ) is far too big
> for any one church to understand .
>
> We feel that attacking churches and religions openly on Druid
> Newsgroups and websites is in fact counter-productive, negative and
> ill thought-out. And, in any case, we do not feel any urge to attack
> anybody on the grounds of his or her religion, we've seen enough of
> that in the six north-eastern counties of Ireland to last us many
> lifetimes.
>
> And if you or anybody else thinks that you prove yourselve to be great
> powerful pagans by spewing hatred of churches and religion over the
> internet , then you are totally misguided, irresponsible and unfit to
> speak on behalf of pagans, and especially on behalf of Druids !
>
> Michael .
Trad heathen folk are not "spewing hatred". We are merely setting the
record straight and do not attempt to white-wash and sugar-coat either
the past or the present where it comes to the Church's bygone /and/
ongoing attempts to colonialize, corrupt and usurp that which is of
an ancient Pagan nature. You may call us purists but not bigots.
We do not hate, we oppose Xtian apologists like you and other self-styled
"druids" where we find them; posers who promote their false belief in a
hypothetic, imported "One God" as something "druidic" while it is not.
Now this is not to say our beliefs are "better" than yours but they are
very different, unique to indigenous Druidry and therefore incompatible
with the local amalgamate of Nature-reverence, Poly- and Monotheism
which you claim to be "Irish Druidry".
I have it on good authority that real Irish Druidry is a lot closer to my
own tribal approach, an assurance which makes sense because that's
where all the differences can be found: Ancestry and local surroundings.
What you promote sounds like some universalist unitarian approach.
Trad Druidry doesn't work that way.
Kent
wrote:
> ( But the fact is, and I have knowledge of it, that several Irish
> Druids whom I could name, became Irish Catholic Bishops, Priors and
> Abbots ) .
But of course they did, and can easily be seen as traitors to their
own culture.
Michael Magrath
>
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... You have it on good authority - the M I N I O N ???
stonehengeio
Any Druid including michael knows that religion is "A Tool" that is
abused and manipulated
by many cultures like your trying to do .
You use the phrase "unique to indigenous Druidry" i take it you mean
"Your" modern faked up interpretation of
what you know very little about and call "indigenous druidry".
I would love to know where you think "indigenous druidry" survives/is,
or do you think "indigenous druidry" is a
modern invention only.?? lol
.
Kent
Naw... we know religion is what it is, and that Michael is "a Tool",
just like a certain Park Ranger...
An Coibhi Drui
Yes, it's indigenous to California, USA !
Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole
Go to School and learn to be a Protestant "Liar" twisting the Laws, for a
Buck.
The Gendarme of the Law Givers, is Judge by the Choice of God.
The one who wields the Sword of Karmic Justice.
Gotta have a PHd, to understand the Laws of Nature and how to flow the
forces of the Odo.
�
An Coibhi Drui
Yeah, that's how the M I N I O N knows ( BIG GRIN ) .
Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole
> An Coibhi Drui wrote:
> > On Nov 10, 1:42 am, "1X2Willows" wrote:
> >> An Coibhi Drui wrote:
> >>
> >>> ( But the fact is, and I have knowledge of it, that several Irish
> >>> Druids whom I could name, became Irish Catholic Bishops, Priors and
> >>> Abbots ) .
> >>
> >> I'm not into revisionist history, neither secular nor religious.
> >> That's your expertise all around.
> >>
> >> "Document issued"... you're really something, funny man
> >
> > Well you could at least read the history before you open your big
> > mouth to denounce anybody or anything or any institution !
> >
> > We Druids of Ireland do not encourage anybody to attack any churches
> > or religions, recognising that there is a spark of the divine in them
> > all.
Rome decided the "DESCENDANTS" are the "Fallen Angels" and engaged in a
Genocide War..
The New Pope wants to rekindle the fires.
He's been warned, the Bear does exist.
He can hardly turn this bear into an Ass, I already am Half of one.
But I do not intend to be his "beast of burden".
He can pull his own Cart, Hindu make a far better deal and cart.
�
�
> We. simply, like an old Druid, John of Stonehenge, preached,
> > believe that God ( however you understand the ' god'' principle ,
> > scientific, theological, philosophical or otherwise ) is far too big
> > for any one church to understand .
Or OWN!!!!!!!!!!!!
Which they can't stand, which is why they are here hunting this and similar
NG's.
�
1X2Willows
>
> Yes, it's indigenous to California, USA !
Ask any traditional NA Elder what they think of those traitors who
supplanted the Great Mystery with some imported "Great Spirit".
same thing
Now go pray to your God in Heaven while listening to Silent Night
and Ave Maria, Poser
An Coibhi Drui
Bit early yet for Silent Night
( Again a sentence ripped totally out of context by you , and your
Celtic Reconstruction Company, ' Real Swiss Jerry Druids supplied on
demand, no job too big or too small' - my Dad headed an SS Propaganda
Unit, taught me everything he knew ! And then, I found God - Leon
Trotsky , never looked back, neither will you, Folks , so roll up,
roll up , for Willows Wild West Druid Show . The M I N I O N found
Trotsky - if he can anybody can - and now, Folks, first up we have
Dana with the Druidic Three Card Trick , how do I know it's Druidic,
because it's built around the sacred Druidic Number 3 , that's how ,
and now our own native ritual, from time immemorial, from the time of
my ancient Swiss Jerry Ancestors over there in the Snow covered Hills
of Europe, yes Europe folks, and now we begin, solemnly, by the Power
vested in me by the writings of that great Russian Druid Leon
Trotsky :
" Do you. James, renounce McGrath and all his evil works and pomps ?
"
I do.
Do you , James, swear that you believe that there is no country, no
nation, no god, gods, goddesses or any of that redneck drivel,
according to the Great Pagan Reviver, Leon Trotsky ? "
I do.
Do you , James, believe that I, Daniel T. Felber, am the rightful
leader of ARD ?
I do.
Do you, James, believe that we are all gathered here for no purpose at
all ?
I do .
Do you, James, despise all Governments, all flags, all anthems, and
especially the Catholic Church as the Cause of all misery upon the
Earth ?
I do
Therefore my the Power vested in me as Head Honcho mumbo mumbo jumbo
jumbo , I hereby pronounce you a real Wild West Swiss Jerry Trotskist
Druid, mumbo mumbo jumbo jumbo , more mumbo mumbo jumbo jumbo etc etc
etc
Hey, M I N I O N , get over here beside James, good, hold hands, by
the Power vested in me Daniel T. Felber , Founder of the Swiss Jerry
and American First Druidic Soviet, mumbo mumbo jumbo jumbo , etc etc
etc ,
I now pronounce you James and you Gareth man & wife... James, you may
kiss the bride ....
Cheers,
Michael .
1X2Willows
> On Nov 10, 5:54 am, "1X2Willows" wrote:
>> An Coibhi Drui wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, it's indigenous to California, USA !
>>
>> Ask any traditional NA Elder what they think of those traitors who
>> supplanted the Great Mystery with some imported "Great Spirit".
>>
>> same thing
>>
>> Now go pray to your God in Heaven while listening to Silent Night
>> and Ave Maria, Poser
>
> Bit early yet for Silent Night
>
Go back to bed Michael. You're apparently still drunk
Byrne.M.James
wrote:
Jaze Michael, can I blame my last marriage on you aswell?
Gareth would be a step up from my ex wife, youre tempting fate there.
James
Byrne.M.James
>
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To be fair to Michael Dan, whether or not you believe christianity was
syncretic with our native trads for most of its time here bashing
christianity isnt an option in Ireland.
The folk trads here are obviously not christian but the people who
practice the folk trads generally are. Paganism is an extreme minority
religion in Ireland. Christianity is more then a religion here too,
its like a part of our tribal identity. An aethist is likely to
identify with catholicism or protestantism some level as a type of
ethnic label because of our countries history.
Michael isnt shooting well wide of the mark in his opinions of
christianity for an Irish person cos here, even if they werent genuine
opinions, theyd be necessary opinions. If we have a native religion it
has to function within our environment or it'll alienate people and
will die off.
James
1X2Willows
>
> To be fair to Michael Dan, whether or not you believe christianity was
> syncretic with our native trads for most of its time here bashing
> christianity isnt an option in Ireland.
>
> The folk trads here are obviously not christian but the people who
> practice the folk trads generally are. Paganism is an extreme minority
> religion in Ireland. Christianity is more then a religion here too,
> its like a part of our tribal identity. An aethist is likely to
> identify with catholicism or protestantism some level as a type of
> ethnic label because of our countries history.
>
> Michael isnt shooting well wide of the mark in his opinions of
> christianity for an Irish person cos here, even if they werent genuine
> opinions, theyd be necessary opinions. If we have a native religion it
> has to function within our environment or it'll alienate people and
> will die off.
>
> James
Then by all means be happy with it, whatever it is, call it what you
will but don't be silly and pretend it's Druidry.
"Irishism" maybe? Go for it!
Trad Druidry is Pagan stuff. Can't have one without the other.
Byrne.M.James
>
> - Show quoted text -
I agree that Druidry should be pagan Dan but bashing Christianity isnt
a necessary part of paganism. When I say our native religion has to
adjust to its environment I dont mean it has to become christian or
adopt christian practices. We just have to respect our people.
For example what good would it do to go to a pattern/patron site and
tell people circumambulating the holy stone/well/mound is paganism and
the stone/well/mound etc. was erected before christianity was created?
Youd just be shooting yourself in the foot noone in the area would
talk to you after that.
Besides isnt evangelism a christian thing anyway?
James
Noinden
wrote:
> Dan hates the Catholic Church as much as the KKK and the Orangemen do
> together ! Coincidence or What ?
>
> The M I N I O N hates everything that Dan hates, but hates himself
> above all, especially the Maori blood in his veins - so we alll have
> to suffer because of that, and because he was never a Great Big Maori
> Fighting Warrior, and never went to College either, and has no hope
> of becoming a Druid .
>
> Cheers,
> Michael ..
>
> Maybe Dan will admit the M I N I O N to his Celtic Reconstruction
> Company ?
I ask again, what source do you have for Maori heritage for me? Beyond
your Ethanolic and Litium fueled dreams? Same goes for the lack of
degrees ;)
Mind you it's my own fault for enabling your alcohol adiction. I mean
come on, all gone in one night?
Noinden
>
> - Show quoted text -
Oi unless you dress up nice I am not interested ;)
Noinden
Hey perhaps McGrath can start teaching some Lakota stuff? You know how
they just love his sort ;)
Noinden
wrote:
> On Nov 10, 5:54 am, "1X2Willows" <nos...@least.invalid> wrote:
> ( Again a sentence ripped totally out of context by you , and your
> Celtic Reconstruction Company, ' Real Swiss Jerry Druids supplied on
> demand, no job too big or too small' - my Dad headed an SS Propaganda
> Unit, taught me everything he knew ! And then, I found God - Leon
> Trotsky , never looked back, neither will you, Folks , so roll up,
> roll up , for Willows Wild West Druid Show . The M I N I O N found
> Trotsky - if he can anybody can - and now, Folks, first up we have
> Dana with the Druidic Three Card Trick , how do I know it's Druidic,
> because it's built around the sacred Druidic Number 3 , that's how ,
> and now our own native ritual, from time immemorial, from the time of
> my ancient Swiss Jerry Ancestors over there in the Snow covered Hills
> of Europe, yes Europe folks, and now we begin, solemnly, by the Power
> vested in me by the writings of that great Russian Druid Leon
Mike go sober up. The free tab has run out and you are back in the red
at the Black Cat.
Noinden
He COULD name them, if he knew the names ;)
An Coibhi Drui
That's the set-up, James.
I remember when Con slated a brother of mine on here
for flogging his arse in the back streets of Dublin :
No such thing ever happened,
but that brother of mine had gotten involved in ' Militant',
championing gay rights, amongst other crazed things -
and, of course, Dublin being Dublin, the wrong story
story went round :-)
Cheers,
Michael
An Coibhi Drui
That''s Dan's agenda,
nothing at all to do with Druidism .
1X2Willows
> On Nov 9, 10:00 pm, Kent wrote:
>> On Nov 9, 6:28 pm, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ( But the fact is, and I have knowledge of it, that several Irish
>>> Druids whom I could name, became Irish Catholic Bishops, Priors and
>>> Abbots ) .
>>
>> But of course they did, and can easily be seen as traitors to their
>> own culture.
>
> He COULD name them, if he knew the names ;)
oh, Mr. Culdee Priestling has access to the Church archives no doubt.
Proves it every so often.
1X2Willows
> On Nov 9, 11:54 pm, "1X2Willows" wrote:
>> An Coibhi Drui wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, it's indigenous to California, USA !
>>
>> Ask any traditional NA Elder what they think of those traitors who
>> supplanted the Great Mystery with some imported "Great Spirit".
>>
>> same thing
>>
>> Now go pray to your God in Heaven while listening to Silent Night
>> and Ave Maria, Poser
>
> Hey perhaps McGrath can start teaching some Lakota stuff? You know
> how they just love his sort ;)
If he babbles as endless in speech as in writing, they'll have his tongue
in three minutes no matter what he talks about.
1X2Willows
Leaves one to wonder... do all Irish guys keep a frilly blue dress in the
closet for the occasion or is that just the one we know?
Noinden
He'd need to be sober enough to remember them. Given he can't even
spell his Kin's name right, hows he going to manage that one?
Stacey
What's interesting to me is when I have heard native folks pray, or folks who
hang out with native folks pray, they say Creator, not Great Spirit or so much
Great Mystery. Maybe it's a California Native thing? (Miwok, Ohlone, Pomo,
Karuk tribes.)
Noinden
> In article <hdav6a$sr...@news.albasani.net>, 1X2Willows says...
I am more used to the Onondaga Nation myself, here is a story of
theirs http://www.firstpeople.us/FP-Html-Legends/OriginofthePleiades-Onondaga.html
Oh and of course the Ojibwe Peoples
Byrne.M.James
Dan I will wear a frilly blue dress for anyone known to have a habbit
of getting in the pints.
*Mwah!*
1X2Willows
Haaaaaaahaha for saying that, I'll wear lipstick for you if we ever meet.
Dana
Aside from the fact that a huge number of Native Americans are flat-out
Christians, the "Great Spirit/Creator" terminology was an effort to sort of
meet in the middle and make a gesture of compromise toward the dominant
culture's religion. It' now become entrenched, especially due to
encouragement by the Native American Church, at least according to what I've
been told.
It's a post-conquest behavior pattern, like when the various Celtic tribes
adopted Roman styles of worship and terminology after Alesia and Bribracte.
1X2Willows
Don't get me wrong but after you saying this, I'm glad Jim is...
uhm... indisposed and can't join the conversation right now.
WHOA! .... otherwise... *duck and run* time!!!
1X2Willows
> On Nov 10, 11:40 am, Stacey wrote:
>> 1X2Willows says...
>>
>>> Ask any traditional NA Elder what they think of those traitors who
>>> supplanted the Great Mystery with some imported "Great Spirit".
>>
>>> same thing
>>
>>> Now go pray to your God in Heaven while listening to Silent Night
>>> and Ave Maria, Poser
>>
>> What's interesting to me is when I have heard native folks pray, or
>> folks who hang out with native folks pray, they say Creator, not
>> Great Spirit or so much Great Mystery. Maybe it's a California
>> Native thing? (Miwok, Ohlone, Pomo, Karuk tribes.)
>
> I am more used to the Onondaga Nation myself, here is a story of
> theirs
> http://www.firstpeople.us/FP-Html-Legends/OriginofthePleiades-Onondaga.html
> Oh and of course the Ojibwe Peoples
There ya' go!!!
Definite trad authentic --> ORIGIN <-- myth, not "Creation" myth.
Stacey
The NAC started in Oklahoma, and seems to be more Lakota-centric a totally
different beast than CA tribes. I'm talking for example what I've heard from
Karuk folks in lodge and in ceremony that is specifically Native.
Stacey
Jim didn't have respect for the CA tribes because they got conscripted into the
missions.
Noinden
>
> - Show quoted text -
ARD Rocky Horror stage show?
1X2Willows
> Stacey wrote:
>>
>> What's interesting to me is when I have heard native folks pray, or
>> folks who hang out with native folks pray, they say Creator, not
>> Great Spirit or so much Great Mystery. Maybe it's a California
>> Native thing? (Miwok, Ohlone, Pomo, Karuk tribes.)
>
> Aside from the fact that a huge number of Native Americans are
> flat-out Christians, the "Great Spirit/Creator" terminology was an
> effort to sort of meet in the middle and make a gesture of compromise
> toward the dominant culture's religion. It' now become entrenched,
> especially due to encouragement by the Native American Church, at
> least according to what I've been told.
Someone we know agrees:
"Among the Indians the transition from Great Mystery to Great Spirit
and from origin stories to creation stories is a complex one. It would
take a few hours one on one to make it all crystal clear. Essentially
elders of the various tribes reconstructed their cosmology as a survival
tactic. They felt that coming in line with the Europeans church would
make it all a lot easier on their people."
> It's a post-conquest behavior pattern, like when the various Celtic
> tribes adopted Roman styles of worship and terminology after Alesia
> and Bribracte.
yup. - and mandatory, too
Dana
Well and I don't think anybody here is advocating verbally abusing
Christians in public. But here, in this place, there has to be honest
dialogue about the debilitating, exploitative effect Christianity and its
step-child Progressive Materialism has had and continues to have or there's
really no point for this or any other group addressing Druidry to exist.
Druidry is a lifestyle, a way of viewing the world that gives reverence to
Nature, the Land, the Unseen and encourages interaction. Christianity has
been attempting to vilify and oppose and insert itself in between humans and
their birthright as part of the spiritual continuum of this planet every
since it went from an odd resurrection cult from Judea to Roman State
Religion 1700 years ago. I've listened to every conceivable argument for
why Druidry/Paganism and Christianity ought to be able to get along--some of
them made by earnest, very sincere people--but the bottom line is, that
until the destructive, exploitive, enslaving aspects of the various modern
churches are addressed, it's all just meaningless feel-good fluff talk. The
burden at this point in time is on the *Christians* to stop the abuse, the
destruction and the lies and give people honest choices about what they are
moved to believe.
As for McGrath, give me a break. He has continually, over a period of
years, demonstrated *by his actions*, let alone his words, that's he's
really out to destroy and discredit Druidry and Druids, and hopefully
greater paganism as well. He's been repeated exposed as a mentally ill
habitual liar and exploiter who eagerly waits for the chance to take the
fight into the sewer. And whether he's being driven by his own inner fears
and bitterness that he's not the fine, grand figure of respect and authority
he so obviously wishes he was, or whether he's being manipulated by people
behind the scenes in his life who rationalize their shameful behavior by
thinking it's serving a higher purpose doesn't matter. He's here to damage
and destroy and so he must be challenged, opposed and exposed.
An Coibhi Drui
That set of robes is actually GREEN , light issue ( for Summer ) -
all around me were sweating in theirs !
The camera person must have been using a colour blind camera , can
easily happen in digital if you're not a Pro and forget to, or don't
know you have to, change your white balance settings .
In this case I believe that the camera person had the ' Cool ' setting
switched on as well, whereas he/she should have set that to zero . But
as real Pro's know, digital is really dodgy for true colour, can't
beat the dynamic range of film there .
Nice to have it, though !
Cheers,
Michael
An Coibhi Drui
More and more parroting of total lies continues after the style of old
Soviet propaganda , in the hope that some fool somewhere might
eventually swallow it .
I have led Druidry responsibly in Ireland since 1993 always conscious
of the fact that almost everybody around us is Christian.
One thing that emerged all through these years that surprises me is
that Catholics , even Catholic bishops and priests, are much more
tolerant of Druidry than Protestants , as at the outset I thought it
would be the other way round !
Cheers,
Michael .
Noinden
wrote:
> More and more parroting of total lies continues after the style of old
> Soviet propaganda , in the hope that some fool somewhere might
> eventually swallow it .
> I have led Druidry responsibly in Ireland since 1993 always conscious
> of the fact that almost everybody around us is Christian.
> One thing that emerged all through these years that surprises me is
> that Catholics , even Catholic bishops and priests, are much more
> tolerant of Druidry than Protestants , as at the outset I thought it
> would be the other way round !
You live in that fantasy that you brought Druidry back to Ireland.
Because only YOU and those you have fooled beleive that. However uit's
not fact.
Dana
As I said....."...bitterness that he's not the fine, grand figure of respect
and authority he so obviously wishes he was."
An Coibhi Drui
Bitterness ? None, except that which is so transparent in you !
I have never stated that I brought Druidry back to Ireland, as you
allege - I state that I brought the public open group practice of
Druidry back to Ireland, and also its organisation and administration,
and that is recorded fact , there for anybody to consult, in RTE TV,
Radio, or the many Irish newspapers and magazines, but I can't help it
if people like you blindly make allegations and assertions without
consulting the archives !
In fact I can't help people like you at all, and I do not know anybody
who could.
Cheers,
Michael .
Noinden
> As I said....."...bitterness that he's not the fine, grand figure of respect
> and authority he so obviously wishes he was."
If by respect and grand figure he means the town drunk and villiage
fool? then he is that!
An Coibhi Drui
That oafish remark, were it about anybody, is beneath contempt.
Michael .
1X2Willows
> 1X2Willows says...
>> Stacey wrote:
>>>
>>> What's interesting to me is when I have heard native folks pray, or
>>> folks who hang out with native folks pray, they say Creator, not
>>> Great Spirit or so much Great Mystery. Maybe it's a California
>>> Native thing? (Miwok, Ohlone, Pomo, Karuk tribes.)
>>
>> Don't get me wrong but after you saying this, I'm glad Jim is...
>> uhm... indisposed and can't join the conversation right now.
>>
>> WHOA! .... otherwise... *duck and run* time!!!
>
> Jim didn't have respect for the CA tribes because they got
> conscripted into the missions.
Sounds like adding insult to injury but I wouldn't know. What I do know
is this, while there were and are many varying stages of conversion not
only progressive over time but also locally different depending on the
specific tribe's former cosmology, the introduction of "The Creator"
with all implications of some rather male Head Honcho in the Sky to
rule them all has ever been the finishing touch of the whole process,
the King Pin, the finial so to speak to top it all off. Perhaps there was
some animosity because the CA tribes were the first to "give in".
But even if, I'll have to say I can relate somehow. There is a natural
tendency to look a bit down on first converters even though it wasn't
necessarily their "fault", while identifying with the ones who were able
to hold on longest can_be a source of pride sometimes. To me, the
latter simply means a better chance to glean from genuine tradition
as it had been passed on before the new and foreign influence.
Noinden
wrote:
> That oafish remark, were it about anybody, is beneath contempt.
>
> Michael .
Michael clicked on the thesaurus button. He wanted to seem like he was
educated, and the magic black box in his computer would make him seem
that way. He took a swig of Dead Pig Whiskey.
“Quiet liver or I will punch you” he yelled as his liver protested.
He hit send. No one knew he was pickled. But he was not allowed in the
Black Cat again till he paid that tab he’d racked up over the weekend,
and apologized to the bar maid he liked. She did not like his advances
it seemed? Perhaps if he wore his frilly Druid robes she would take
him seriously? Yeah that’s the ticket. He took another swig of Dead
Pig and began to giggle.
Stacey
Thing is, they didn't give in. They were rounded up "for the good of their
souls." If they tried to escape they were caught and returned. Or shot.
Check out this story of how Mount Diablo in the SF bay area got its name.
"Like many other isolated peaks, Mt. Diablo is steeped in lore - much of it
involving the mountain's name. The reference to "diablo" or "devil", can be
traced back to 1804 or 1805, when a Spanish military expedition visited the area
in search of runaway mission Indians. At a willow thicket near present-day
Buchanan Field, the soldiers encountered a Village of Chupcan people and
surrounded it. But night came, and evidently all the Indians escaped, unseen.
Angry and confused, the Spanish called the site "Monte del Diablo", or "Thicket
of the Devil". Later, English-speaking newcomers mistakenly assumed the word
"monte" to mean "mountain", and applied the title to this prominent east bay
peak. A linguistic accident thus gave California its Devil Mountain."
Because folks from the various tribes and tribelets were all mixed together you
have local natives with ancestry from all over the place. You'll have a someone
who is Saclan Miwok AND Jalquin Ohlone.
Kent
That's just worrisome...
Kent
Horseshite! You've proclaimed that more times here than I can count!
There's no need to look it up (isn't that what you're always telling
us?), we can all quote ad nauseum!
YOU "brought Druidry back to Ireland"...YOU were responsible for there
being how many ever thousands of people (pilgrims as you insist on
calling them) at Tara...read the archives YOURSELF!
An Coibhi Drui
You'd even be a bad fiction writer !
An Coibhi Drui
That was only the public manifestation of Druidry in Ireland since
1993 ,
what was and is more important is what is going on inside people's
heads,
anyway I never said that there were thousands of people,
I said 700 in 1997, all there summoned by me on Tara
( with the help of the ODI especially the Dublin Liberties Grove )
NOW YOU READ - and understand, of you can !!!
Kent
The only manifestation is in your "Guiness with a Jamersons Chaser"
soaked mind.
> what was and is more important is what is going on inside people's
> heads,
Well, you've got us on that one! You're the expert on voices in one's
head around here!
> anyway I never said that there were thousands of people,
> I said 700 in 1997, all there summoned by me on Tara
Again, HORSESHITE! If they were at Tara, it certainly wasn't because
of some "call to arms" that your scroungy arse in a blue (or green,
whatever) dress issued. Keep dropping the zeroes off that number and
one day you just might get to the correct number of people in the
world think you're a "Druid".
> ( with the help of the ODI especially the Dublin Liberties Grove )
Any members that there were of the ODI surely went running and hiding
because of the blatant embarrassment you are. Even HOOD folded shop to
ditch any connection they had in the past with you.
> NOW YOU READ - and understand, of you can !!!
Thank you, I have for around two years now, and have better memory
retention than a goldfish...or an Irish "Archdruid" (and the goldfish
wins out between the two).
1X2Willows
>
> [....]
> One thing that emerged all through these years that surprises me is
> that Catholics , even Catholic bishops and priests, are much more
> tolerant of Druidry than Protestants , as at the outset I thought it
> would be the other way round !
>
This is not the least surprising but self-explanatory, as he things you say
and the things you do are all but indistinguishable from the Catholic faith,
in essence. A little heavier on the nationalism and prejudice towards
foreigners perhaps, but Catholic clergy must surely accept you as one
of their own aspirants in spirit. Very Culdee-ish and recognizable as such,
for your so-called "Irish Druidry" is patriarch and monotheistic in nature.
As of yet, you've failed to demonstrate a single shred of evidence, any
hint, trait or expression which would indicate druidic education on your
part. It's all mundane local Irish politics and trivia out of you, the sort
of information anyone with enough free time on their hands can pick up
on the side, going about normal daily business. That and ludicrous claims
and deliberate lies designed to seed dissent, strife and confusion amongst
Pagans n' Heathen folk of course but Druidry? What. Where?
1X2Willows
> On Nov 10, 12:35 pm, "1X2Willows" wrote:
>> Byrne.M.James wrote:
>>> On Nov 10, 5:13 pm, "1X2Willows" wrote:
>>>> Noinden wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 10, 1:12 am, "Byrne.M.James" <byrne.m.ja...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Jaze Michael, can I blame my last marriage on you aswell?
>>
>>>>>> Gareth would be a step up from my ex wife, youre tempting fate
>>>>>> there.
>>
>>>>>> James
>>
>>>>> Oi unless you dress up nice I am not interested ;)
>>
>>>> Leaves one to wonder... do all Irish guys keep a frilly blue dress
>>>> in the closet for the occasion or is that just the one we know?
>>
>>> Dan I will wear a frilly blue dress for anyone known to have a
>>> habbit of getting in the pints.
>>
>>> *Mwah!*
>>
>> Haaaaaaahaha for saying that, I'll wear lipstick for you if we ever
>> meet.
>
By the powers invested in me by the Unimatrix Willow,
I hereby declare him Janet!
If you wear Micko's girdle you may call me Darlene? :-}
1X2Willows
Makes a pretty good go-getter for his handlers though
1X2Willows
"Pilgrims" yeah. Pagan pilgrims, right. Another one of those disgusting
attempts at linguistic colonialism by the Cathole's agent provocateur...
1X2Willows
> On Nov 10, 5:13 pm, "1X2Willows" wrote:
>> Noinden wrote:
>>> On Nov 10, 1:12 am, "Byrne.M.James" <byrne.m.ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Jaze Michael, can I blame my last marriage on you aswell?
>>
>>>> Gareth would be a step up from my ex wife, youre tempting fate
>>>> there.
>>
>>>> James
>>
>>> Oi unless you dress up nice I am not interested ;)
>>
>> Leaves one to wonder... do all Irish guys keep a frilly blue dress
>> in the closet for the occasion or is that just the one we know?
>
> That set of robes is actually GREEN , light issue ( for Summer ) -
> all around me were sweating in theirs !
Surprising you claim you weren't sweating. What with the Sunday Best
underneath. Straight from Church, then drag hastily thrown over it, ey?
1X2Willows
> On Nov 10, 10:09 am, "1X2Willows" wrote:
>> Byrne.M.James wrote:
>>
>>> To be fair to Michael Dan, whether or not you believe christianity
>>> was syncretic with our native trads for most of its time here
>>> bashing christianity isnt an option in Ireland.
>>
>>> The folk trads here are obviously not christian but the people who
>>> practice the folk trads generally are. Paganism is an extreme
>>> minority religion in Ireland. Christianity is more then a religion
>>> here too, its like a part of our tribal identity. An aethist is
>>> likely to identify with catholicism or protestantism some level as
>>> a type of ethnic label because of our countries history.
>>
>>> Michael isnt shooting well wide of the mark in his opinions of
>>> christianity for an Irish person cos here, even if they werent
>>> genuine opinions, theyd be necessary opinions. If we have a native
>>> religion it has to function within our environment or it'll
>>> alienate people and will die off.
>>
>>> James
>>
>> will but don't be silly and pretend it's Druidry.
>>
>> "Irishism" maybe? Go for it!
>>
>> Trad Druidry is Pagan stuff. Can't have one without the other.
>
> I agree that Druidry should be pagan Dan
We could stop right here and call the case closed.
However, common courtesy and all...
- and besides, this is rather interesting... so, let's see. :)
> but bashing Christianity isnt a necessary part of paganism.
Bashing? What a surprising pc expression from someone who was
all up in arms recently about religious appropriation and the attempted
redefinition by Americans of Irish culture and such. Now you're doing the
exact same thing to Druidry by trying to jam the proverbial square peg
called Christianity into the rould hole which is Heathen Spirituality, no
matter what your excuse for it is. They are in-com-pa-ti-ble, sorry, and
trying to pretend otherwise does both concepts neither justice nor service.
One can only guess where you've got this benevolent turn the other cheek
attitude from, asking to forgive and forget magnanimously almost a score of
Centuries of the most disgusting atrocities ever witnessed in human history,
executed by means of which plain murder had almost been the most humane.
All committed in the name and for the "glory" of this wrathful and jealous
fantasy of a tribal One God from the Near East you're defending now as
some sort of cultural necessity? Screw this, says I.
This sort of convenient looking the other way which you're suggesting is
certainly not rooted in druidic principles either, but a cheap cop-out of
responsibility by those who first conquer by the sword and then almost
immediately start to preach "forgiveness" to their victims.
> When I say our native religion has to adjust to its environment I dont
> mean it has to become christian or adopt christian practices. We just
> have to respect our people.
As long as they and more importantly their Church uppers are willing and
able to do their own thing without intent to further oppress religious
freedom like they did for the past 1,500 years, fine, so be it, but guess
what. Some people like yours truly have more than sound reason for not
believing and trusting them anymore, as their given word has been proven
completely worthless not once, not twice, but over and over again.
These bastards will approach you with put-on benevolence and a smile and
cut your throat the moment you turn your back on them. They will then look
their own straight in the eye and say they did it in order to save your soul
while your woman gets raped, your valuables sacked and your children
abducted to be "re-educated" by their own death worshipping cult. Pheewey.
Seen it happen many times over the course of history and guess what, it's
still going on in South America and Africa as_we_speak, while in Europe,
they rather innocently rest on their laurels and live the good life which is
being financed by the blood and pain of the ones they successfully converted
and by that I mean turned into a living breathing money making machine.
As should be clear by now, you should better not get me started on the
"respect" I personally think this multi-billion sheeple strong congregation
of slimeballs deserves, and yes, this includes Judaism and Islam just the
same. Creationist pious Monotheism, in my opinion, is the modern plague
on this Earth and majorly responsible not only for the human selfishness
and greed-driven rape of this whole beautiful planet including all our
animate as well as inanimate relations on it, but also for rampant
overpopulation and close to all the agony and suffering people create for
other people and even amongst themselves.
> For example what good would it do to go to a pattern/patron site and
> tell people circumambulating the holy stone/well/mound is paganism and
> the stone/well/mound etc. was erected before christianity was created?
> Youd just be shooting yourself in the foot noone in the area would
> talk to you after that.
If that is the case, then people in said area are dumb fuck ignorant morons
and I wouldn't want to live among them anyway. This is the year 2009 and
we don't walk in shadow and secrecy anymore, for fear of public prosecution
by the mob. Done that long enough. Time to walk with pride again.
> Besides isnt evangelism a christian thing anyway?
Excuse me but do you ask the same of the Dalai Lama for example
when the question arises whether there is such a ridiculous critter
as a "Buddhist Bokor" and he would go... "uhm... rather not". ?
Don't be silly James, please! :-)
Byrne.M.James
>
> - Show quoted text -
Jaze Dan, You wouldnt have much culture left if every member of a
traditional community was a dumbfuck moron because they dont
legitimise their traditions by some authors opinion of them in a book
somewhere. Tradition is a communal knowledge legitimised by its
history within the community not book learnins youd rely on to
ressurect an old religion that noone practices.
Its handy to have something, someway definitive to point to in a book
so you as an individual can have your full say on whats what but
individials in trad communities dont go a long way. Its hard to bring
in a crop on your own even today and even in a city telling everyone
around to to fuck off will make you a lonely man.
James
Byrne.M.James
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well you could call it insular tourism Dan if the word has too many
connotations for you to be comfortable using it.
People visit the sacred sites out of an interest in what Irish culture
considers sacred in our countries landscape. In the context of
contemporary life in Ireland standing on those sites atleast gives an
emotional sense of connecting to the cultural continuum in a more
tangable way then reading history. It provides a sense of belonging
and continuity of purpose in a world where modernity creates an all
pervasive anomie. Thats a fairly spiritual thing in itself. IMO
pilgrims is poetic but its accurate considering the tourists purpose
in visiting the sites.
James
Byrne.M.James
>
> - Show quoted text -
Dana a part of studying early Irish history is studying the medieval
church to be able to pick up on its influence. The Irish church wasnt
destructive, when it arrived in Ireland the church had no policy on
non believers and wasnt interested in changing people. By the 8th
century monastic familia were in existance and towns had grown up
around the monasteries. As evidence of the continued syncretism the
towns were seperate from the familia who kept to themselves, had their
own rights and hereditary titles and went to war as a group when they
had to. We had our own orthodoxy and the history of Christianity in
Ireland is not the history of christianity outside Ireland.
Since we are reading the written word and putting spaces between words
that the christian orthodoxy responsible for preserving the written
word and innovating its use would have earned its own place in
history. Instead of being lumped in a generic pile with the more
paracitical forms of christianity shaped by the nature of their
cultures insitutional elites.
James
1X2Willows
>
> Jaze Dan, You wouldnt have much culture left if every member of a
> traditional community was a dumbfuck moron because they dont
> legitimise their traditions by some authors opinion of them in a book
> somewhere. Tradition is a communal knowledge legitimised by its
> history within the community not book learnins youd rely on to
> ressurect an old religion that noone practices.
>
> Its handy to have something, someway definitive to point to in a book
> so you as an individual can have your full say on whats what but
> individials in trad communities dont go a long way. Its hard to bring
> in a crop on your own even today and even in a city telling everyone
> around to to fuck off will make you a lonely man.
There seems to be a misunderstanding. First, I'm trying to discuss Druidry
not any national or ethnic "Tradition" because those are like assholes.
Everybody's got one, so why should you be interested in mine and I in yours.
Bit of a difference to Trad Druidry there because your "members of a
traditional community" are certainly free to do whatever the heck they
please without getting called names, that is, as long as they're honest with
themselves and everyone else around and do not pretend to be anything but
good ole Christians going after their good ole Christian business, if
something Pagan is explicitly not their cuppa' tea.
Second, had you been around here for longer than you have, you would
have to realize that I'm probably one-of-the, if not THE least book oriented
regular in attendence here, so I really don't know what you're on about
with those repeated "book" comments.
I do love dry, accurate and scientific books about plain history and stuff
because close to 100% of what's on the market in the esoteric, occult and
especially the so-called "Celtic" section doesn't apply to my own tribal
Celtic heritage and culture anyway but in most cases, strictly IMHO, is a
bunch of overly romanicised anachronistic shlock about the British Isles and
Ireland and the rest consists of thinly veiled Quabbalism and the same
ceremonial magic based nonsense as ever, only this time painted green
and dressed up in druid drag.
Third, I'm not even a religionist and therefore, most definitely do not try
to resurrect any ole dead religion, "religion" being a concept which I find
useless and beside the point anyway, since I base my understanding of the
term on the Latin "re-ligio" which discribes an activity I have no need for.
What I do try to do is continue to live the kind of community oriented
ancestral Pagan spirituality of my Celtic ancestors which never even had
a name ending in -ism or -ity attached to it, so please, spare me the
lecture about individualism as well. No idea what that target is you're
aiming at, but it certainly ain't me.
g'day! :-)
An Coibhi Drui
Fair enough, Dan, I can accept that, I agree with a lot of it
especially about the ' Celtic' rubbish on the market, but what I
object to is your insistence on dictating your own way down on
everybody else here !
I think that everybody here accepts that you have your own viewpoint,
and that it's valid for you specifically, and probably for some people
where you come from too, but you talk about the British Isles without
mentioning the fact that the majority of the American Druid Orders -
and all the Americans I have ever come across and spoken to and
socialised with ( thousands in my lifetime so far ! ) would totally
disagree with you , and you should accept that .
In fact most of the Aussies I have come across would disagree with
you too ! Most of the European Orders would not be interested in your
type of Druidry - especially the French ( leaving out ' the World
Druid Order' that embarrasses them ! ) , the Belgians , the Dutch, the
Spanish, the Italians, the Danish, Swedish and Norwegians, and in a
big way, the Polish !!! Oh, and the Portugese too. The only Eiropean
crowd that I think might agree with you are the Serbs, the Germans
being far too careful these days to commit themselves to saying
anything at all .
( You might get a couple of filthy rich Luxemburgers to agree with you
too , that's all I can think of, BTW they are crying out for and
paying big money to gardeners in Luxemburg, as all of them are filthy
rich with big houses and huge gardens there , but they don't have the
time or the inclination, or the skill, to look after their own gardens
there - jobs that would appeal to many Druid types ) .
Cheers,
Michael .
An Coibhi Drui
You totally miss the point : Catholicism is International,
multicultural, in its membership and target audiences worldwide, ,
Druidry is not though Druidry is more universal :-)
Cheers,
Michael .
An Coibhi Drui
Ah, here we have it all, the WICCAN that you truly are finally breaks
out in you !!!
Thanks for that !
Cheers,
Michael .
An Coibhi Drui
wrote:
JANET FARRAR could not have written it better :-)
Cheers,
Michael .
Noinden
wrote:
Ballors balck Balls McGRath,
Could you at least know what Wiccans beleive? You just throw that word
around with no idea what it actually means.
An Coibhi Drui
And good afternoon to you, Sir, of course I've read all your viewpoint
before, as you express here, in Wiccan books, especially those of
Janet & Stewart Farrar years ago, so what you write is in fact Wiccan
' old hat' , it is there in your own words for anybody and everybody
to see !!!
Cheers,
Michael .
Noinden
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ahhh so foriegn Torists count as druids now? Yay White Plastic Irish
Druidry in action :P
Noinden
wrote:
> You totally miss the point : Catholicism is International,
> multicultural, in its membership and target audiences worldwide, ,
> Druidry is not though Druidry is more universal :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michael .- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
You would not know Druidry or Druidism if it beat you over the head
with a rolling pin.
An Coibhi Drui
WRONG, Minion !
In fact Wicca has a worldwide target audience just as the Catholic
Church has always had, I know about and have read up on Wicca for at
least forty years, met STACKS of Wiccans as I still do ( not all are
viciously opposed to Irish Druids as the Farrarians , who emanate from
London UK originally, are) .
The most disatrous and calamitous force so far that modern Druidry has
encountered in the world is Farrarian Wicca - and you and everybody
else is going to hear about that in book form shortly, not only from
me, but from several wise , knowledgeable and highly educated Druids.
Farrarian Wicca is right now the pagan world's main competitor against
the Catholic Church on the world stage - principally in a battle
started for money & power worldwide.
Wicca, even the friendler forms of it, has a worldwide agenda, Druidry
does not for the simple reasons that Druidry has a cultural
confinement to the British Isles, and by extension to North America,
Australia and all parts of the former British Empire ( now mostly the
Commonwealth ) , also for the reason that Irish Druidry itself never
had any foreign aspirations in its entire millenial history outside of
these islands - no more than Ireland has ever had . But that most
modern religion of Wicca is entirely world-expansionist, eve neo-
colonialist in its total disregard fir native traditions in every
land, except in the case where such native traditions, as the Irish
one, can be of use to it. I would go so far as to nominate Farrarian
Wiccanry to be as dangerous and as insidious to the modern world as
Hitlerite Nazism and Stalinist Communism , it only needs time to grow,
and take over, and sneer and jeer at local nativist spiritualities as
unintelligent and even moronic ( as Dan and you do - you are well-
trained ! ) . And if I have done nothing else I have put a stop to
your gallop in Ireland, for no matter what happens to me now, you
shall never have Irish Druidry - or Ireland, or any part of it, No
Surrender, Not an Inch !!!
Michael McGrath,
Archdruid of Ireland,
Elected, Traditional, Hereditary .
Kent
So numb from Guiness all the time, he wouldn't know if he was being
beaten over the head with a rolling pin!
An Coibhi Drui
Sneering and Jeering all the way through, too THICK to be able to give
an intelligent reply, parroting now for three years , all the oul
stuff hurled at me as far back as 1997 by the Farrarians , not even
edited, not once updated, you are now impressing absolutely nobody
amongst the readership here ! With your childish tit-for-tat , even
kindergarted approach, as Searles has observed .
And trying to draw me away , but you won't, from the worldwide Money-
Power colonialist agenda of Farrarian Wicca !!!
Cheers,
Michael .
Cheers,
Michael
Noinden
Bwhaaaa
Byrne.M.James
Dan for a lad that has no interest in discussing tradition you spend a
lot of time talking about Irish Traditions. Are you just out trying to
wind Michael up?
James
stonehengeio
Its plainly dans hobby and demonstrates his lack of a worthwhile life.
1X2Willows
>
> Ah, here we have it all, the WICCAN that you truly are finally breaks
> out in you !!!
>
The likes of Giordano Bruno certainly weren't followers of some late
19th C. revival movement you anachronist moron.
Neither was the Pagan substrate from which early Christian celebrities
like Hildegard von Bingen got their wisdom, only to be credited by the
Church, as usual, as the originator of said knowledge later on.
In short, usurper scum like you!
1X2Willows
Oh I get the point you're trying to make quite well.
It's only that you're wrong about it, plain and simple.
Noinden
I mean he does not even know what flavor Wiccan Steward and Jannet
Farrar were initiated as. It's the sort that even if they "change" a
little, they still are that sort. dam BTW's.
1X2Willows
>
> Fair enough, Dan, I can accept that, I agree with a lot of it
> especially about the ' Celtic' rubbish on the market, but what I
> object to is your insistence on dictating your own way down on
> everybody else here !
I fail to see where I would do any such thing. Quite the opposite, really.
After all it is me who keeps pointing out that Druidry has never been
something homogenous, dogmatic, graven in stone across the board
of all tribal cultures affected by it. It is you who is out to declare it
something exclusively Irish and don't you forget it.
Here's a new idea for ya'. Strip all you know of your so-called "Druidry"
of specific tribal-ancestral history and any modern notion of nationalism
and you may find out what I'm talking about.
To observe the flight of the Steller's Jay is in no way less druidic than
observing the flight of the Wren and the energies of certain natural sites
for example in the Americas are in no way inferior to those of, say,
Stonehenge and Newgrange. Same goes for all local qualities around
the Globe, needless to say.
> I think that everybody here accepts that you have your own viewpoint,
> and that it's valid for you specifically, and probably for some people
> where you come from too, but you talk about the British Isles without
> mentioning the fact that the majority of the American Druid Orders -
> and all the Americans I have ever come across and spoken to and
> socialised with ( thousands in my lifetime so far ! ) would totally
> disagree with you , and you should accept that .
Complete and utter hogwash, putting the cart before the horse.
> In fact most of the Aussies I have come across would disagree with
> you too ! Most of the European Orders would not be interested in your
> type of Druidry - especially the French ( leaving out ' the World
> Druid Order' that embarrasses them ! ) , the Belgians , the Dutch, the
> Spanish, the Italians, the Danish, Swedish and Norwegians, and in a
> big way, the Polish !!! Oh, and the Portugese too. The only Eiropean
> crowd that I think might agree with you are the Serbs, the Germans
> being far too careful these days to commit themselves to saying
> anything at all .
Oh what a surprise all the British colonial territories including the US
who broke free would refer to the culture left behind in Europe.
Gee whoda'thunk... what a concept.
- and then bringing in Scandahoovian countries into the equasion and
let's not forget Poland which could rightfully be called a Vatican satellite
state where it comes to religion. Dance some more for us, Funny Man!
> ( You might get a couple of filthy rich Luxemburgers to agree with you
> too , that's all I can think of, BTW they are crying out for and
> paying big money to gardeners in Luxemburg, as all of them are filthy
> rich with big houses and huge gardens there , but they don't have the
> time or the inclination, or the skill, to look after their own gardens
> there - jobs that would appeal to many Druid types ) .
Wandering off into pure supposition and irrelevancy again, I see.
You're completely wrong about the French part however, as you have
apparently no clue about what's going on there besides this laughable
"World Order" you pissed off and which is after your poser arse now.
My personal opinion that they're nothing but a bunch of zilly posers
themselves makes this mutual adversity only the more entertaining.
:-)
1X2Willows
>
> Dan for a lad that has no interest in discussing tradition you spend a
> lot of time talking about Irish Traditions. Are you just out trying to
> wind Michael up?
Common Druidic tradition would be something.
Not interested in Irish tribal lore and Culdeeism.
1X2Willows
You tell em' Park Ranger!
Can I have a brass star and a gun too?
1X2Willows
Heh... not entertaining any sort of affiliation to Wicca myself, never ever
and absolutely nowhere, I can only laugh about these comments anyway!
LOLROFL!!!
1X2Willows
>
>> Ah, here we have it all, the WICCAN that you truly are finally breaks
>> out in you !!!
>>
>> Thanks for that !
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michael
>
> Ballors balck Balls McGRath,
>
> Could you at least know what Wiccans beleive? You just throw that word
> around with no idea what it actually means.
not the only word either!
:-D
stonehengeio
tradition! Dan.lol
Being a bard has nothing to do with blowing your own trumpet.
your out of key. (full stops aside)
The point is you are "Outside" of it and therefore will always be
mystified.
You listen to the words and miss the meaning of how they are being
used.
You want words to be sacrosanct. lol, grow up
If your not interested in certain subjects, go away and keep out of
them.
You cannot set the agenda on this site, so stop behaving like a parrot
with you
constant whining bout michael and anyone who speaks to him.
Your twats showing-
1X2Willows
> [....]
There you go!
"Local Irish Nativist Spirituality" --- I like that!
Now go on, have the cojones and admit to it as the 80% Catholic
Xtianity / 10% Celtic Polytheism / 10% pre-Celtic indigenous spirituality
amalgamate which it really is, and everyone's happy.
Just don't call it intertribal trad Druidry as you do by proxy,
fence jumper!
:-)