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ARE THE RUSSIANS WILLING TO START
WORLD WAR III?
According to a recent article by veteran British military
analyst Joseph Vialls,
Russia has sent the most advanced and feared missile in the
world, owned only by
Russia and China, the P270 Moskit, also known as the 'Sunburn,'
to Damascus
and Tehran. This can only be understood as a counter to the
Israeli threats to use
nuclear weapons against their enemies.
The Sunburn flies at an altitude of 60 feet and is nearly
impossible to defend
against. A few fired at Israel could make that state 'history.'
Add to this a new Russian air force installation near the
Kyrgystan/Russia border,
coupled with a Chinese base just over their western border with
Kyrgystan, and
Armageddon may be on the horizon. All Russian jets at this new
base just outside
of Bishkek are equipped with Sunburn missiles.
Vialls writes:
"The gloves are off, and with America and Israel still unable
to steal any oil from
Iraq because someone keeps blowing the pipelines, Russian and
Chinese firepower
buildup suddenly slammed the door firmly shut on Caspian oil
reserves in the old
Soviet republics. For more than a decade American oil
multinationals have been
conducting 'joint ventures' in the former Soviet republics
bordering the Caspian Sea,
with the stated intent of pumping stolen crude oil out through
Turkey, then on to
western markets. Now this route has been blocked permanently,
and America is in no
position to do anything about it, because a large part of the
U.S. conventional army is
currently bogged down in Iraq, being shot at and killed on a
daily basis".
For many who have been watching this region as a confrontation
between the
United States and Israel versus Russia largely over the control
of the biggest gas
and oil deposits in the world, a new front has been opened.
As a response to this checkmate, Sharon recently visited Putin
on Nov. 3 to meet
with him concerning the nuclear issue in Iran. Quickly, Sharon
permitted
Palestinians to return to their jobs and eased their travel
restrictions.
Since the end of the Gorbachev era, the Russian oligarchs,
nearly all Jewish by
ethnicity (with the noticeable exception of Vladimir Potanin),
have controlled
nearly all key sectors of the Russian economy. This, of course,
includes Russia's
major ace-in-the-hole, oil and gas. The giant YUKOS
conglomerate is presently
one of the largest oil companies in the world, valued at about
$40 billion.
YUKOS is the result of a 'loans for shares' deal brokered
through the
semi-coherent Boris Yeltsin in 1995. Here, the liberal Russian
government
swapped loyalty from the oligarchs in exchange for
privatization at prices far below
that of the market. This $40 billion giant was bought for about
$300 million, thus
looting the entire Russian economy for the benefit of a handful
of Israeli citizens
living in Russia.
When YUKOS' chair, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, was arrested at the
end of last
month, the American capitalist establishment went orbital.
Forgetting the 1999
New York Times's expose on massive money laundering and fraud
from YUKOS,
the conservative establishment began to lionize oligarchy and,
specifically,
Khodorkovsky.
Recently, The Financial Times weighed in with a giggly piece
from Chrystia
Freeland, which referred to the oligarch as a 'democratic
activist.' About a
paragraph later, the writer said - without irony - that the
oligarch's model for
economics is the robber baron factories of the early American
20th century. Fox
News, on Nov. 3, referred to YUKOS as the most progressive
corporation in
Russia.
According to a Nov. 3 Agence France-Presse story, Khodorkovsky
made a deal
with Jacob Rothschild this year that control of the YUKOS giant
would pass to
Rothschild in the event of Khodorkovsky's arrest. However, the
Russian
government has frozen all YUKOS assets for the time being.
It is significant that YUKOS's liberal pressure group, the Open
Russia
Foundation, is completely controlled by Rothschild now that its
founder is in jail.
As their official mission statement reads, "The motivation for
the establishment of
the Open Russia Foundation is the wish to foster enhanced
openness,
understanding and integration between the people of Russia and
the rest of the
world."
Their board of trustees includes Rothschild and Henry
Kissinger. The
Washington, D.C. launch of the organization included Sen. Ted
Stevens
(R-Alaska) and Librarian of Congress James Billington, one of
the leading voices
against Russian traditionalism in the academic establishment.
Significantly, the
Open Russia Foundation recently provided Yale University with
substantial grants
to study the Russian economy as well as providing the Carnegie
Foundation with 3
percent of its entire operating budget.
It seems that the drive to control the globe's energy is
progressing. The
American empire's battles in Serbia, Central Asia, Iraq and
Chechnya are one and
the same war. Other than fighting Israel's enemies, these
adventures are also
wars to control Central Asian oil and natural gas (one of the
main pipelines from
the Caspian Sea went straight through Serbia). The control of
this wealth by the
United States and Israel necessitates bypassing Russian
channels. This means
that the Jewish oligarchy in Russia would become the central
actor in world
politics.
The Israeli/CIA complex was using Khodorkovsky to sell off the
assets of
YUKOS to Exxon/Mobil (as well as a smaller piece to Texaco),
hence bringing
Russia's pipelines into the hands of the western powers. The
Nov. 5 New York
Times also indicated that the Bush family's Carlyle Group was
involved.
It was not long after Putin began threatening the YUKOS
conglomerate that
neo-conservative pundits such as William Kristol and Ariel
Cohen began calling
Putin a 'communist,' 'another Stalin' and 'tyrannical.'
The basis of these wild accusations, of course, is the fact
that Putin stands in the
way of Zionist domination.
From this, the roles of several other variables and players
develop clearly. The
State Department/Harvard University alliance was meant to
'deregulate,' or
'privatize' much of the Russian economy precisely to keep the
Russian state out
of the equation. Therefore, pro-Israel oligarchs (that is,
Israeli citizens living in
Russia) then benefited, placing most of the economy in their
hands, and, by
extension, Israel's.
Russia's response has been to clamp down on further foreign
penetration into
defense and other sensitive industries, and specifically, to
target those believed to
be working for both the CIA and Mossad and attempting to
control Central Asian
oil.
It needs to be reiterated that where the (CIA goes, Mossad goes
as well. Israeli
and American interests have come together in the dominance of
the Central Asian
region and therefore, so have liberal ideology, the Beltway
set, neo-conservatism,
Ivy League eggheads, Christian Zionism, the Rothschilds and the
American
media.) Afghanistan through the Caspian Sea through to Georgia,
Azerbaijan and
into the Balkans (not to mention pipelines leading to
oil-hungry China), have
become one single theater of war over trillions of dollars in
oil and gas wealth,
incorporating every single power center in global politics. The
battle against the
New World Order is being decided in Moscow.
Therefore, all anti-Russian alliances in the region, from
Islamic fundamentalism to
Slavic separatism to the George Soros 'Open Society'
Foundation, are in the
interests of the CIA/Exxon/Ivy League/NWO complex.
In Azerbaijan, for example, American elites have pushed for a
'democratic' state,
that is, a state not under the control of pro-Moscow Heydar
Aliev, thus leaving
the country open to U.S. oil investment. Aliev, of course, is
promoting Russian
interests in the region, and thus, has become a ătyrantä in the
Beltway mind.
The American response to this situation within this region is
to create the
GUAAM pact, including, Georgia, Ukraine, Armenia, Azerbaijan
and Moldova.
Cohen gives us a clue as to why this entity was brokered under
NATO auspices:
"The Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan Pipeline will export up to 1 million
barrels per year of
high quality Caspian crude oil by 2005." In other words,
billions of dollars of oil
are slated to be pumped through this region very soon, and the
economic/military
alliance of GUAAM is the means to ensure American control over
it. This
connects the Serbian, Afghan and Iraqi wars.
Russia's response to Israel's terror threats against most of
the Islamic world is
fully understood as both a political and economic question.
Further, increasing
cooperation between Russia and India, as well as China, are
clear markers that
Putin, one of the few actually competent leaders in world
politics, is building an
anti-imperialist and anti-NATO alliance with the aim of
countering
American/Zionist moves for the world's oil and gas wealth.
The interests, however, go even further than Zionist control
over American
foreign policy decision-making. Vialls writes on another topic:
that the existence
of the American/Zionist empire is based on the victory of
American forces over
the Russian and Islamic. Of course, both in Bosnia and
Chechnya, the
Mossad/CIA operatives have not hesitated
clo...@softcom.net
line of weapons. Now the fun starts!
Beirn
ah well if WW3 starts soon at least I won't have to pay off my credit
card :)
--
Dont fight unless you can avoid it but if you cant then send em home in
an ambulance and hex em till they glow.
Esme Weatherwax
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Beirn wrote:
> crickey you really know how to cheer a girl up on a tuesday morning !!!!
> ah well if WW3 starts soon at least I won't have to pay off my credit
> card :)
Don't ya just love free speech! I liked the comparison of belief and intent
between Bush and his Arab counterpart. What holy war? America needs to stop
electing their presidents from the bible belt. Reminds me of an old cowboy
joke, " give a Texan an enema and you can bury him in a match box".
Dana
<clo...@softcom.net> wrote in message news:3FCB7A02...@softcom.net...
>
>
> ARE THE RUSSIANS WILLING TO START
> WORLD WAR III?
>
>
>
While I don't buy into the "World Zionist Conspiracy" theory, I do think
it's worth pointing out that the recent ouster of Edward Schevardnadze in
Georgia was engineered by a lawyer who was educated & had lived in the US
for many years & was "encouraged" by the local US diplomat. Considering
that Russia is scheduled to convert to Euro petro-currency on Jan. 1, I see
the whole thing in Georgia as being designed to send the message of "Look
what can happen to you!" to Putin. So maybe Russia feels like they need a
big stick. I know I would.
Dana
clo...@softcom.net
Dana wrote:
I did not read the whole thing closely. As to a Zionist conspiracy, all I give
recognition to is a Zionist master plan for the land of Zion. Then of course
there's the Judo- Fundy Christian Coalition against the entire Muslim world to
consider. I say give em all bullets and let em shoot it out and leave me the
heck out of their religious nonsense. I found the Rothchild connection to
Russian oil to be very interesting.
Searles O'Dubhain
"Beirn" <buibh...@icqmail.com> wrote in message
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> crickey you really know how to cheer a girl up on a tuesday morning
!!!!
> ah well if WW3 starts soon at least I won't have to pay off my credit
> card :)
>
Not to worry Beirn. This is all a lot of hogwash. At least the pigs will
be clean.:-)
Searles
clo...@softcom.net
and even the members of the Skull and Bones Society conspire, even the local
Southern Baptist Church conspires to place it's members on the local school
board. Its no sin! Heck even De Beers conspires to control the price of
diamonds. :-)
Bush conspires to rape the U.S. treasury and give it away to his rich friends.
No big deal. :-)
I have been conspired against so much, it hurts to sit down!
Jim
Beirn
> !!!!
> > ah well if WW3 starts soon at least I won't have to pay off my
credit
> > card :)
> >
>
> Not to worry Beirn. This is all a lot of hogwash. At least the pigs
will
> be clean.:-)
thanks searles......
<wait for it>
....you've saved my bacon :)
<sorry! lol>
Dana
<clo...@softcom.net> wrote in message news:3FCCBE14...@softcom.net...
>
>
> I did not read the whole thing closely. As to a Zionist conspiracy, all I
give
> recognition to is a Zionist master plan for the land of Zion. Then of
course
> there's the Judo- Fundy Christian Coalition against the entire Muslim
world to
> consider. I say give em all bullets and let em shoot it out and leave me
the
> heck out of their religious nonsense. I found the Rothchild connection to
> Russian oil to be very interesting.
>
Actually, if you read the Israeli papers (I read Ha'aretz), you find out
that Israel is in far worse shape than people over here are led to think.
Aside from the fact that it's prime minister is an unimaginative, brutal
crook, Israel will not be able to survive *as a democracy* for more than
about 10 years; by which time, Arab Israeli voters will outnumber Jewish
voters. More immediately, however, their economy, that is so heavily
depended on tourism, is seriously tanking due to the intifada & suicide
bombings. A further drain on the economy is all those settlements in the
Occupied Territories--each settler needs 2-3 Israeli soldiers (plus
equipment/ammo/supplies) to guard & defend them, however, most settlers, as
Ulta-orthodox Jews, are *exempt* from mandatory military service (still
haven't figured that one out). Further, because most settlers are
Ultra-orthodox (read Fundies), they are convinced they are doing god's work
and will not hesitate to rise up against the Israeli military if any genuine
attempt at settlement evacuation is attempted. In other words, evacuating
the settlements--essential to *any* peace plan with the Palestinians--will
set off a civil war.
As for the rest of the fundies--I highly recommend Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.'s
recent essay, "Crimes Against Nature" for an in-depth exploration of where
these people are coming from, how they came into power and where they're
likely to take us in their fanaticism. Highly, highly recommended reading
for anyone who claims to care about the planet, IMEHO. It's at
http://www.rollingstone.com/features/nationalaffairs/featuregen.asp?pid=2154
Dana
clo...@softcom.net
Dana wrote:
Sounds like a hell on earth situation to me!
>
>
> As for the rest of the fundies--I highly recommend Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.'s
> recent essay, "Crimes Against Nature" for an in-depth exploration of where
> these people are coming from, how they came into power and where they're
> likely to take us in their fanaticism. Highly, highly recommended reading
> for anyone who claims to care about the planet, IMEHO. It's at
On the tube this morning they announced the governments plan to thin the
national forests to "prevent fires". In the sixties and seventies they clear cut
in this area only to ship the lumber to the orient. I saw truckload after
truckload of huge knot free pine logs hauled to the port, only to be chipped and
sent to the orient.
>
>
> http://www.rollingstone.com/features/nationalaffairs/featuregen.asp?pid=2154
>
> Dana
Wade
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Kevin Jones
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Hmm! Well, if they wish to keep on emulating an ostrich, and putting their
head in the sand, they shouldn't be too surprised when something bites them
in the arse. Perhaps they might then remember the advice of a Native
American - you can't eat money.
If the scientific conclusions currently being aired in Europe are correct -
namely that global warming may lead to millions of tons of meltwater being
dumped into the North Atlantic, resulting in the shutdown of the Gulf
Stream - a lot of corporate America may well become bankrupt.Current models
by the Met Office suggest, under those circumstances a great drop in the
equatorial rain belt, with the desertification of central America, and the
conversion of the South American rain forest to grassland. Of course, a
reduction in moist air in the Gulf would mean a large reduction in rainfall
in the farming belt of America, which would potentially lead to an
environmental and civil catastrophe across the heartland of the USA; it
might well result in near-desertification. It has often been remarked that
any city is only a couple of days away from barbarism.One might, at the
least, anticipate hyperinflation in the price of food, given its restricted
availability. Wouldn't be much point in trying to get any from Europe -
they'd be in much the same pickle if not worse.
Recent data on the decrease in salinity of water in the Gulf Stream agrees
with the model. There's general agreement that it is not at all unlikely
that it will shut off, and that if it did shut off, it would stay off for
centuries, if not longer - there's an energy hump to get over in starting it
again. In fact the only thing that the Met Office and other European
scientists have been unable to determine is when it is likely to happen. It
could be anywhere between 5 and 50 years - and then again it might take
longer.
Kevin
Wade
results of global warming might be a mini-ice-age for northern
Europe and northern North America.
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"Kevin Jones" <laig...@nospam.yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Kevin Jones
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> I've been following that model. Interesting that the immediate
> results of global warming might be a mini-ice-age for northern
> Europe and northern North America.
Well, it has been around for a while - it's just that recent data has
confirmed aspects of the model as valid. Mind you, I do recall suggesting
four or five years back that this might be the extreme end of the spectrum
of something I suggested - that the mechanisms underlying climate would act
to put a brake on global warming for at least a while. Climate patterns
would gradually move northwards as the ice sheets melted; the melting of the
ice sheets would reduce the rate of flow of the Gulf Stream, resulting in
less warm water reaching the ice sheet, thus reducing the rate of melting.
Matters could reach a point of balance, resulting in a slightly cooler
climate after a period of being hotter. Alternatively if a point of balance
wasn't reached, it would go on till the Gulf Stream shut down. Matters
become a little more complex if you try and consider the effects of lowered
albedo due to the reduced ice sheets (therefore more warming) and rain
clouds (fresh water) moving further north, but I think that's along the
right lines. Looks like it from the data - the flow rate of the Gulf Stream
has declined as salinity has declined, which is what I would have
anticipated. Whether it reaches a new stable point is another matter.
Nothing hugely startling, and I couldn't back it up with maths - it was just
a bit of logical deduction based on my view of the earth as a dynamic
system, plus a bit of basic knowledge about climate systems.
Now it could be argued - and is by Dubya's lot - that the earth has been
through larger climate swings in the past. True. However, the salinity of
the deep ocean water has remained more or less static until the last few
decades. It has, over a very short period, plummeted. That can, if
unchecked, stop the whole Atlantic Conveyor mechanism. Trouble with this is,
if it happens, it might not be too 'mini'. Even if it is, the effect are
potentially very large.
Principal problem in the worst case is that it becomes drier - if I recall
correctly (and it's a long time since I looked at any palaentology), North
America had some extensive deserts and grassland in the last Ice Age. I
guess you might have a desert from southern Oklahoma to southern Mexico at
least, with failed crops and agricultural practices resulting in a dustbowl
north of there. Hell, the weather patterns in Kansas, Oklahoma, Missouri etc
rely on the Gulf bringing hot wet air up, even if this causes tornadoes. If
the rainfall in the equatorial belt crashes - no rain in the midwest. No
rain, no crops, no agricultural economy, no food - and I'm not even
considering livestock. Of course, in the extreme case, the US economy (and
the US in any meaningful sense) would go down the toilet and the dollar
would become worthless, since it depends upon a working economy.
Which leads to the next problem I could see with such a change - and one
spotted by the Met Office - is that a substantial proportion of the global
population would die. It isn't just a problem for the US and Europe. Many
cities would certainly become unviable; amongst other things, they depend on
a working economy and the transport of food to feed the population.
Consequently it's a case of choosing your factors: economic dislocation,
starvation, breakdown of law and order, panic, attempts to leave the cities
etc etc. No doubt someone would attempt to impose martial law, but that's
pretty much a case of Cnut and the sea. It wouldn't be impossible for some
to survive and adapt, but you'd be talking mass global casualties. After
all, people did live through the Ice Age. Trouble is, as has been pointed
out, everybody's long term planning has been based on the climate getting
hotter - not colder.
Kevin
Searles O'Dubhain
> > > crickey you really know how to cheer a girl up on a tuesday
morning
> > !!!!
> > > ah well if WW3 starts soon at least I won't have to pay off my
> credit
> > > card :)
> > >
> >
> > Not to worry Beirn. This is all a lot of hogwash. At least the pigs
> will
> > be clean.:-)
>
> thanks searles......
>
> <wait for it>
>
>
> ....you've saved my bacon :)
>
> <sorry! lol>
>
I was attracted to the thread title which reminds me on an Irish Sex
Manual I have. It's called _Brace Yerself Brigit_! :-) When one opens
the manual, everything that is to be known about Irish Catholic sexual
techniques can be found within (it's humorous).
Searles
Searles O'Dubhain
> > > crickey you really know how to cheer a girl up on a tuesday
morning
> > !!!!
> > > ah well if WW3 starts soon at least I won't have to pay off my
> credit
> > > card :)
> > >
> >
> > Not to worry Beirn. This is all a lot of hogwash. At least the pigs
> will
> > be clean.:-)
>
> thanks searles......
>
Serious reply follows:
The missile being touted in this article was fielded in 1980. Since
then, there have been three antimissile missiles that defend against it
and some improvements to gun/radar/FLIR systems as well.
This is not to minimize the harm that can occur from even the most
primitive nuclear device. That's the thing that is the danger and may
well cause pre-emptive strikes (as it did in the past). Of course, the
weapons systems makers will profit from both sides in this conflict.
That's a misuse of creativity which is getting way out of hand. The
combatants can buy these systems at high markups from Western defense
industries with subsidized U.S. tax dollars or oil. That's a misuse of
individual freedom and planetary resources IMO.
Searles