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McGrath is telling lies again. I have that crown, Pete O'Connor gave it to me

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Con

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Jul 7, 2009, 9:43:41 PM7/7/09
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McGrath is telling lies again. I have that crown, Pete O'Connor gave
it to me for safe keeping after he stopped McGrath presiding as
archdruid when Mel Lloyd was making a fool out of Gina McGarry. This
is the crown in the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqOU-WaIUyo

He was anxious that the fascist McGrath should always be stopped
making foreigners into archdruids and high kings and faery queens etc
as McGrath is not a druid. Pete knows that McGrath has no rights or
titles or high office - that he is false and McGrath acknowledges this
when he says "Yes" to Pete's accusation.

Pete had taken that crown from McGrath fake druid many years ago when
the fascist McGrath fake druid tried to make an American man into the
High King of Ireland at Tara. Pete is not related to me and I was not
a part of his being elected Clan Chief. The crown is heavy and poorly
made.

It is repeatedly shown here on ard and on many other internet
locations that McGrath is a fake and a fraud with a history of mental
illness and outrageous behavior. Following the farce of Mel Lloyd
trying to use Gina McGarry to stand on to become the replacement
McGrath, I was contacted by some of the English druids (who had
attended the ceremony on Samhain on Tara for poor Gina) and they told
me that they had been tricked to attending the ceremony. It was
explained to me that they have their own "McGrath" and that they had
no intention to interfere with the true Druids of Ireland. I thanked
them.

McGrath still tells lies though - cant help it, even though he has
been caught out so many times, over and over, again and again, threats
and smears, lies and fabrications, slander and defamation, etc etc in
an attempt to hide the truth. But the truth of McGrath is that he is a
fake druid who has threatened to kill me, rape me and eat me for
exposing his falsity. His lifetime world wide geis is available in
four languages along with his true history at http://orderofdruidsinireland.wetpaint.com/

It is quite interesting to see who stands by the fascist McGrath fake
druid on ard and uses their real name. It is strong proof of their
true nature. Slightly smarter fools that stand by the fake druid using
fake names are without power except as a distraction from the truth.

An Coibhi Drui

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Jul 7, 2009, 9:46:43 PM7/7/09
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On Jul 8, 1:43 am, Con <consmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> McGrath is telling lies again. I have that crown, Pete O'Connor gave
> it to me for safe keeping after he stopped McGrath presiding as
> archdruid when Mel Lloyd was making a fool out of Gina McGarry. This
> is the crown in the video athttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqOU-WaIUyo
> four languages along with his true history athttp://orderofdruidsinireland.wetpaint.com/

>
> It is quite interesting to see who stands by the fascist McGrath fake
> druid on ard and uses their real name. It is strong proof of their
> true nature. Slightly smarter fools that stand by the fake druid using
> fake names are without power except as a distraction from the truth.


A load of shit as usual from the Biggest Baddest Ugliest Mouth on the
Internet.

stonehengeio

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Jul 7, 2009, 9:49:51 PM7/7/09
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On Jul 8, 2:43 am, Con <consmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> McGrath is telling lies again. I have that crown, Pete O'Connor gave
> it to me for safe keeping after he stopped McGrath presiding as
> archdruid when Mel Lloyd was making a fool out of Gina McGarry. This
> is the crown in the video athttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqOU-WaIUyo
> four languages along with his true history athttp://orderofdruidsinireland.wetpaint.com/

>
> It is quite interesting to see who stands by the fascist McGrath fake
> druid on ard and uses their real name. It is strong proof of their
> true nature. Slightly smarter fools that stand by the fake druid using
> fake names are without power except as a distraction from the truth.

oh thats interesting i was thinking of reporting it STOLEN as you keep
bragging you had it stolen it.
If its the hinge, i probably shall if Michael is interested in its
return, as its rather special and more than it seems.

Con

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Jul 7, 2009, 9:54:29 PM7/7/09
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It is hard to believe that McGrath keeps on trying to be important by
making someone else be important but -

One man stopped the farce of an appointment by an fascist egomaniac of
a 'high king' in 1997 and the same man stopped the farce of an
appointment by the same egomaniac of a 'arch druid of Tara' in 2006.
There is no High King of Ireland and there is no Arch Druid of Tara.

A few questions arise from the farce as given above -
why did an American Man think he can be made High King of Ireland?
why did an American Lady think she can be made Arch Druid of Tara?
why does a Welsh man reckon he can make an American Lady into the Arch
Druid of Tara?
why did they believe that words alone could give them true title and
honour?
how much money would be exchanged for such theatrical performances?
did none of the above fools know that real Celtic magic actually
exists?
will those involved still believe or tell the story that an Arch Druid
of Tara was elected?
do you believe it?

Full story at http://www.druidschool.com/site/1030100/page/882008

An Coibhi Drui

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Jul 7, 2009, 9:56:22 PM7/7/09
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Who cares, now tell us about your medical discharge from the Irish
Army for Chronic Alcoholism, Con !

Con

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Jul 7, 2009, 9:59:14 PM7/7/09
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A load of shit as usual from the Biggest Baddest Ugliest Mouth on the
Internet.

Yes it is and you will never get away with it, but you can get help,
first - step away from the nasty keyboard. Every time you try to pull
off a big one you fail, is your memory as rotten as your attitude? All
your lies do not change the truth of your actions. You have failed
miserably - except as a fake, fraud and fool where you excel. You are
also good at pulling other fascists out into public view.

stonehengeio

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Jul 7, 2009, 10:03:00 PM7/7/09
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On Jul 8, 2:56 am, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke...@gmail.com>
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Now your BOTH avoiding the question.
I wonder who will answer it first?LOL
I want to know if the crown was stolen ? i dont give flying fuck if
its a bit of crap.
I seek an answer.
This is a VERY interesting ball.GriN

Con

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Jul 7, 2009, 10:03:08 PM7/7/09
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Michael McGrath is a fascist fraud and fool, he is not a druid,
instead he is a neo nazi catholic, an internet bully of the most
vicious kind.

He has failed to make an American man into the High King of Ireland.

he has failed to make an American woman into the Archdruid of Tara.

He has failed in all of his big man shouting to do anything but prove
himself to be stupid.

stonehengeio

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Jul 7, 2009, 10:05:29 PM7/7/09
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Answer the question. Did the crown get nicked from the ceremony.
I dont give a flying fuck what you think of Michael,its IRRELEVANT.

Con

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Jul 7, 2009, 10:10:01 PM7/7/09
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You are IRRELEVANT.

stonehengeio

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Jul 7, 2009, 10:12:31 PM7/7/09
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On Jul 8, 3:10 am, Con <consmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You are IRRELEVANT.

Then why do you reply??

Cormac Mac Carthaigh

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Jul 7, 2009, 10:54:37 PM7/7/09
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Look at the pair of them like Rollo and Arthur on the piss. A pair of
degenerate loud mouths.

An Coibhi Drui

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Jul 7, 2009, 10:55:31 PM7/7/09
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On Jul 8, 2:03 am, Con <consmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Michael McGrath is a fascist fraud and fool, he is not a druid,
> instead he is a neo nazi catholic, an internet bully of the most
> vicious kind.
>
> He has failed to make an American man into the High King of Ireland.
>
> he has failed to make an American woman into the Archdruid of Tara.
>
> He has failed in all of his big man shouting to do anything but prove
> himself to be stupid.

It was stolen at Tara in 1997, Midsummer Solstice Day, 21st June 1997
from a big American-Irish ' Celtic' warrior called Donal by little
Petie O'Connor. Big Donal was a nice guy ( though he did have criminal
antecedents in the States )and he was living over in Clare in a fine
country house on the southern shore of Galway Bay.

Little Petie asked Big Donal if he could try on the crown. Big Donal,
a jovial giant, agreed to let Little Petie O'Connor try the crown on.
When the giant's back was turned, Petie scurried off with Donal's
crown, it was part of his ' Celtic' warriors battledress.

A week later Big Donal phoned me and threatened to shoot me - because
he wasn't elected as High Kuing of Ireland. He was, and is, a serious
man. However I managed to persuade Donal not to shoot me.

He didn't bother about his crown after that and wandered back off to
the States.

So, really that crown is a big issue that Connors is propagandising
out of nothing. But I do know where and how to contact Big Donal, so
I'll tell him to look in here where Connors admits to possessing his
stolen crown.

Big Donal doesn't go to the police, he despises them, he does his own
' automatic ' business !!!

And he still ' holidays' in Ireland regularly. Nice fellow if he's not
looking for you :-)

Cheers,
Michael.

Cormac Mac Carthaigh

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Jul 7, 2009, 10:59:49 PM7/7/09
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On Jul 8, 3:55 am, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke...@gmail.com>
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Oh look, more lies!

An Coibhi Drui

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Jul 7, 2009, 11:04:27 PM7/7/09
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On Jul 8, 2:59 am, Cormac Mac Carthaigh <guydecerv...@gmail.com>

That crown was never mine, never belonged to the Druids of Ireland, in
fact I never touched it or handled it, and I won't, I know Big Donal -
he got away with at least 3 or 4 actual murders in gangland in the
USA, that's why we diplomatically elected Joseph O'Connor of Dublin
instead , a nice diplomatic fellow instead !!! Big Donal's reaction
is ' automatic' , wait until he hears who ordered Petie to steal his
crown and who has it - he adores that crown, he is certain to come and
get it - and whoever has it ~!!!

Haw Haw Haw, Connors, you've just scored your last own goal, this guy
Donal killed for the Mob , heh heh heh.

stonehengeio

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Jul 7, 2009, 11:05:53 PM7/7/09
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On Jul 8, 3:54 am, Cormac Mac Carthaigh <guydecerv...@gmail.com>

wrote:
> On Jul 8, 3:12 am, stonehengeio <stoneheng...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 8, 3:10 am, Con <consmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > You are IRRELEVANT.
>
> > Then why do you reply??
>
> Look at the pair of them like Rollo and Arthur on the piss. A pair of
> degenerate loud mouths.

Rollo will not use the internet you fool

Rasputina

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Jul 7, 2009, 11:06:45 PM7/7/09
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On Jul 8, 4:04 am, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke...@gmail.com>
> Donal killed for the Mob , heh heh heh.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Blood of Wollo and of mick, foul stuff of poison make the worms sick

An Coibhi Drui

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Jul 7, 2009, 11:07:44 PM7/7/09
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On Jul 8, 3:04 am, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke...@gmail.com>


And he loved that crown, but he will never go to the cops, as I say
Big Donal's solution to everything is AUTOMATIC !!!

Rasputina

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Jul 7, 2009, 11:15:11 PM7/7/09
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On Jul 8, 4:07 am, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke...@gmail.com>
> Big Donal's  solution to everything is AUTOMATIC  !!!- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

The men are ready
The scythes are bent

An Coibhi Drui

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Jul 7, 2009, 11:15:21 PM7/7/09
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On Jul 8, 3:07 am, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke...@gmail.com>


Donal MacDomhnaill, third-generation Irish American, had that ctown
especially made for when he would be High King of Ireland - not only
did he not make it, but Petie O'Connor ran off with his treasured
Crown and gave it to Con Connor , LOVELY, I couldn't have organised it
better, maybe I did...

No, Donal, honestly I didn't :-)

Con

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Jul 7, 2009, 11:17:31 PM7/7/09
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Please forward all new death threats and incitements to kill to the
detective Sargent in Kilkenny, like a good little micko the sicko. You
are implicated in another online death threat now. How utterly silly
of your big mouth again, foolish McGrath fake druid.

Rasputina

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Jul 7, 2009, 11:17:36 PM7/7/09
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On Jul 8, 4:15 am, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke...@gmail.com>
> No, Donal, honestly I didn't :-)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text


The grass will not flourish where they bodies lay

An Coibhi Drui

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Jul 7, 2009, 11:20:02 PM7/7/09
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You're dead fuckin meat, Connors, when Big Domhnaill flies in to
retrieve his most precious possession, nobody can talk that Mob Hit
Man out of anything, and he doesn't give a fuck about cops, nothing
can stop him, no force on this earth !

Maybe you can bluff Big Donal that you kept it in safe-keeping for him
when he sees ya, but then he's gonna read all your confessions here
before he sees you, and nothing can be wiped from a.r.d. archives.

Haw Haw Haw, I'm afraid it's gonna be AUTOMATIC :-)

Con

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Jul 7, 2009, 11:20:34 PM7/7/09
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Hi Rasp,
do you reckon that there is an ownership receipt for a badly made
crown for a fake high king or is ownership established by possession?

Rasputina

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Jul 7, 2009, 11:22:38 PM7/7/09
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Well, let's see who would be best crowed with it. The one who dents
and bleeds is not the true King of Ireland or of England.

stonehengeio

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Jul 7, 2009, 11:23:42 PM7/7/09
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On Jul 8, 4:04 am, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke...@gmail.com>

Well big Donal's crown my prove to be the unhinging of con.
I dreamed that crown was "more than it is". ????
Thats why i made a point about it.
What a shame its not stolen,however i may consider a civil claim as
they are Very cheap
and may prove just the tonic to shut the fart gob up.

Rasputina

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Jul 7, 2009, 11:24:40 PM7/7/09
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On Jul 8, 4:23 am, stonehengeio <stonehengemi...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
> and may prove just the tonic to shut the fart gob up.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

He who lives by the sword shall die by the crown

Con

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Jul 7, 2009, 11:25:37 PM7/7/09
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I think I forgot where I hid it!
After the third spike fell out
I left the rusty scrap somewhere
but I cant remember where!

An Coibhi Drui

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Jul 7, 2009, 11:25:53 PM7/7/09
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No, I am only telling the truth that I will tell straight to the face
to any Garda anywhere as the actual truth about a theft that occurred
on the Hill of Tara of a valuable crown from an American Gentleman,
the act ual truth as I and several hundred others who were there know
i8t to be the truth - then plus all the wirnesses, Melvyn and Gina
included who saw the stolen crown in the possession of Petie O'Connor
on the Hill of Tara 1996

Rasputina

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On Jul 8, 4:25 am, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke...@gmail.com>
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Is this silly man on 'rant' again?
Should be sleeping if he want to sell
ten thousand tomorrow
to buy a fine box
In which for his friend to rot

Con

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Jul 7, 2009, 11:32:32 PM7/7/09
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Nice one,
Mel Lloyd and Gina McGarry find time machine and return to the Hill of
Tara in 1996.
Well done.
It is nice that you intended to make a known murderer into a high king
of Ireland.
It is even nicer that you give his name out online and then promise to
have me killed again.
Congrats.
What ever meds you are on are as fake as your titles
Get help for your small mind fool.
Come on Charlie - support the supporter of murderers...

Con

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Jul 7, 2009, 11:36:43 PM7/7/09
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Sure he can make 10k by having a 14 year old load the
Hasslebad....while he calls in sick.
Maybe Rasputina - you could write poor Micko a sick note?

Con

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An Coibhi Drui

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Jul 7, 2009, 11:40:01 PM7/7/09
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On Jul 8, 2:03 am, Con <consmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

An Coibhi Drui

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On Jul 8, 3:40 am, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke...@gmail.com>
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And I think he still maintains that holiday home in Clare, I'll check,
but I know a man who has his U.S. contact details so we can start on
ensuring that Con Connor, Receiver of Stolen Property, returns that
crown in its original condition to its rightful owner.

Whatever the enraged owner does to Con Connor, is, quite frankly
according to Law, none of my business or responsibily .

I know my rights, Solicitor Lanigan enforeces them !

Cheers,
Michael.

PS: I have told the Garda that I am not responsible in Law, if, for
instance, Con Connor ever met with a road accident - and they agreed .
Nor am I bound by Law to lift a little finger to save his life, and by
the way, I wouldn't bother :-)

Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish, that's what I'd say, publicly.

And I told the Garda that too under caution.

So that means, don't ever depend on me, Con, for I am the last man on
earth you can depend on, in fact I would stand idly by and sneer while
you die, according to LAW.

Cheers,
Michael.

An Coibhi Drui

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And now your Big, Bad, Ugly Mouth may have gotten that Poor Simpleton
Little Petie O'Connor into trouble. But Donal actually liked Petie,
that's why Donal trusted him with his crown, so I believe that Donal
will consider Petie to be a Harmless Poor Divil - but you as the real
culprit, Connors, up to Donal, nothing to do with me except to ensure
the return of stolen and damaged property to its rightful owner ,
damaged as you admit here on a.r.d., by you !!!

Cheers,
Michael.

An Coibhi Drui

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Jul 8, 2009, 12:10:27 AM7/8/09
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It's ownership is established AUTOMATICALLY, Haw Haw
Haw !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-)

Cormac Mac Carthaigh

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On Jul 8, 5:10 am, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke...@gmail.com>
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Laugh like and idiot McGrath. You have nothing else left but a
derisory guffa. You cobdaw.

An Coibhi Drui

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" Laughter is the best medicine ! "

An Coibhi Drui

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I was on the phone to Donal at his home in Ballyvaughan, County Clare,
Ireland. He is reading and printing out everythimg here, especially by
Connors, and he has decided to peacefully approach the Garda
concerning the Theft and Receivership of his crow n by Con Connor.

Sizzle Flambé

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Jul 8, 2009, 9:29:42 AM7/8/09
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On Jul 7, 8:43 pm, Con <consmiles @ gmail.com> wrote:

> I have that crown, Pete O'Connor gave it to me

Is that a confession to receiving stolen property?

It strongly resembles one. You were and are aware that Pete
was not the lawful owner of the object, and could not confer
lawful custody to you. You made no attempt to return it to
the lawful owner or to his representatives or to the police.
Far too much time has passed to call it mere "hesitation".
Indeed, your intent seems to have been to keep the object
away from its lawful owner so that it could never be used.

Both the actus reus and the mens rea appear to be present.

Con, I suspect your solicitor would want you to consult him,
*before* posting anything else on this topic.

Cormac Mac Carthaigh

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Jul 8, 2009, 9:38:36 AM7/8/09
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Yes, I will write him a sick note.

To whom it may concern,

Micko is Sick, sick, sick!

Con

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Jul 8, 2009, 9:52:00 AM7/8/09
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Wooo

Dont forget the part about the fake druid trying to make an American
into the high king of Ireland and the real Clan Chief carrying that
same crown many years later when he stopped the same fake druid trying
to make an American into a faery queen.

What is it with the Yanks? - last samurai, high king, faery queen,
fascist regime, war of terror, bankers rule, masonic founding fathers,
new world order and charlie devane supporting the fascist McGrath fake
druid and we are not supposed to notice???

McGrath fake druid had better forge a receipt for the crude heavy
crown using photo's taken on his polaroid and provide receipts for the
purchase of the hinge iron from the gates of Cashel and fabricate a
letter of permission from the people of Ireland empowering him to
appoint an American as the High King of Ireland. He will also need to
explain why he chose a murderer to be the High King of Ireland and
explain why the Clan Chief simply picked up the crown off the red
cushion and calmly walked away and that McGrath fake druid never said
anything about it.....

Or maybe he can just jump up and down on ARD further exposing himself
and other fascists as complete fools. This is why there is a lifetime
world wide geis on McGrath fake druid.

Con

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Searles O'Dubhain

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Jul 8, 2009, 9:58:19 AM7/8/09
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On Jul 7, 8:43 pm, Con <consmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It is quite interesting to see who stands by the fascist McGrath fake
> druid on ard and uses their real name. It is strong proof of their
> true nature. Slightly smarter fools that stand by the fake druid using
> fake names are without power except as a distraction from the truth.

Con,

How is it that you have any rights to judge who is or is not a Druid?
I have seen nothing out of you that would convince me that you know
what you're talking about at all.

Searles O'Dubhain

Cormac Mac Carthaigh

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I guess it take one to know a fake. Con is one, McGrath is a fake!

Searles O'Dubhain

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On Jul 7, 8:54 pm, Con <consmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is hard to believe that McGrath keeps on trying to be important by
> making someone else be important but -
>
> One man stopped the farce of an appointment by an fascist egomaniac of
> a 'high king' in 1997 and the same man stopped the farce of an
> appointment by the same egomaniac of a 'arch druid of Tara' in 2006.
> There is no High King of Ireland and there is no Arch Druid of Tara.
>
> A few questions arise from the farce as given above -
> why did an American Man think he can be made High King of Ireland?
> why did an American Lady think she can be made Arch Druid of Tara?
> why does a Welsh man reckon he can make an American Lady into the Arch
> Druid of Tara?

How was it that in the past, a Druid had free passage between all
tribes, even being able to halt a battle by their passage? In the
answer to this question can be found the answers to your other
questions. It even answers the question of how your Druidschool could
be an actual Druid school (or not). I don't expect you to embrace the
answer but I'd welcome a surprise.

Searles O'Dubhain

Con

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Jul 8, 2009, 10:03:45 AM7/8/09
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Ah dont be mean - Charlie Devane is a fake too.
Telling lies and making machines to kill people does not a druid make.

Cormac Mac Carthaigh

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On Jul 8, 3:03 pm, Con <consmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ah dont be mean - Charlie Devane is a fake too.
> Telling lies and making machines to kill people does not a druid make.

Don't waste your time on that twit. I have another plan for him Belle
and their buddies. You don't have your mobile there do you Con. Been
trying to get you all morning

Searles O'Dubhain

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On Jul 8, 9:03 am, Con <consmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ah dont be mean - Charlie Devane is a fake too.
> Telling lies and making machines to kill people does not a druid make.

I can see that you have no answers. I just wanted to make that clear.
Now, you may return to your pettiness.

Searles O'Dubhain

Sizzle Flambé

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Jul 8, 2009, 10:22:29 AM7/8/09
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On Jul 8, 8:52 am, Con <consmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wooo
>
> Dont forget the part about the fake druid trying to make an American
> into the high king of Ireland and the real Clan Chief carrying that
> same crown many years later when he stopped the same fake druid trying
> to make an American into a faery queen.

Con, what has that to do with *receiving stolen property*?

These are irrelevancies the court will throw out as quickly as it
will any attempted distractions about colours of the rainbow, or
favourite rock songs of the '60s. Keep in focus: you knowingly
took possession of an object, not yours, which properly belonged
to another person, and you made no attempt to return it to that
person or to the police; instead, you kept it, intending to deny
its use to its lawful owner. Whatever else was going on in the
world politically, religiously, culturally, ecologically, or in
any other way, may be of interest to you, but has no bearing on
the legal point of *receiving stolen property*. Do you get that?

You are at legal hazard here. You need legal advice. The more
you babble on the record now, the more damage you do yourself.

I do not like you, I am not your friend, but I am giving you
sincere good advice right now: stop and consult your solicitor
before you post any more on this particular topic.

Cormac Mac Carthaigh

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Jul 8, 2009, 10:25:52 AM7/8/09
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On Jul 8, 4:20 am, Con <consmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Rasp,
> do you reckon that there is an ownership receipt for a badly made
> crown for a fake high king or is ownership established by possession?

I don't know. I guess you would have to ask one of the flamebait
trolls who are experts in Irish Law.

stonehengeio

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Jul 8, 2009, 6:19:17 PM7/8/09
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It was not stolen as it was "given" by owner to the hand of petie.
its not possible to prove peties intent unless he admits what that
was.
Failing to return property is not theft,therfore the crown was not
nicked.
However both con and petie would be very vulnerable to a civil case.

An Coibhi Drui

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Jul 8, 2009, 6:34:24 PM7/8/09
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Really never ever any of my concern, nothing ever to to with us Druids
of Ireland, Con can use it as a Piss-pot for all I care - however its
owner wants it back, over to him !

Cheers,
Michael.

An Coibhi Drui

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Jul 8, 2009, 6:36:40 PM7/8/09
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On Jul 8, 10:34 pm, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke...@gmail.com>
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There was never any significance to that piece of headgear, belonging
to a would-be king who I rejected.

An Coibhi Drui

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Jul 8, 2009, 6:42:30 PM7/8/09
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On Jul 8, 10:36 pm, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke...@gmail.com>

Little Petie and Con thought it was significant, nobody else - Give
Con a tissue and he'll make an issue out of it, poor man has nothing
else to do.

Cheers,
Michael.

Sizzle Flambé

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Jul 8, 2009, 11:02:08 PM7/8/09
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On Jul 8, 5:19 pm, stonehengeio <stoneheng...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> It was not stolen as it was "given" by owner to the hand of petie.

I note you put "given" in quotes. Do you mean "handed to look at",
or "given ownership of"? They are two very different things. If you
walk into a jewelry store and ask to look at a ring or other piece,
and the owner hands it to you, you cannot then take that as a gift
and walk out with it free -- without charge or criminal charges --
in the vast majority of cases. (You might be lucky sometimes.)

This was not a piece of retail merchandise, but it amounts to a
hunk of jewelry intended for headgear. Con says it's badly made,
but even accepting that for the sake of argument, so what? It's
still its owner's property. "Badly made" and "fake king" don't
cancel that property right, don't have anything to do with it.
Neither do any of Con's other complaints about faery queens etc.

Imagine, Stonehengio, that you had decorated your automobile
with exterior paintings of Stonehenge, due to your calling.

And someone came over, fascinated, and wanted to look it over.

And you let him. Gave him free reign to go all over it. And he
got in and drove it away. And never came back. Perhaps he put
it in the safekeeping of someone who declared it "badly painted"
by a "fake druid" who "didn't deserve" to "profane the sacred"
by driving around a Stonehenge-mobile. This wouldn't address
the property rights violated by taking and keeping *your car*.

You understand? All the aesthetic, religious, philosophical,
political, Druid-Way, and other high-falutin' Noble Causes
must watch for an old rock in the mud called Mine-and-Thine,
lest they trip and fall ingloriously flat upon their faces.

"The louder he talked of his honor,
the faster we counted our spoons."
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson.

stonehengeio

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Jul 8, 2009, 11:14:45 PM7/8/09
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It would plainly be illegal to leave the jewellery store, so its
theft.
Petie was probably told he could borrow it, and the loaner forgot
instruct on its return,
specifically the "When".
Civil case only.
I know people who have lent cars to people and had Real problems
getting them back.
You cannot report it as theft,its not.
Its a civil matter.

An Coibhi Drui

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Jul 8, 2009, 11:25:06 PM7/8/09
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No, Petie was not told that he could borrow it. He wanted to fit it
on, to try it on. As Donal was friendly with Petie, Donal allowed
Petie to try it on, on the understanding that the trial would last for
a little while. Donal then turned his attention to something else, and
when he returned to retrieve his crown from Petie, about ten minutes
after allowing him to try it on, Petie was gone, he did a runner !

Cheers,
Michael.

An Coibhi Drui

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Jul 9, 2009, 12:15:41 AM7/9/09
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On Jul 9, 3:25 am, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke...@gmail.com>
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Petie did a runner with Donal's crown !

If I allow you to try on my jacket , and I go out to the toilet for a
piss, and I return to my livingroom to find you and my jacket gone, as
Petie is ' gone' with Donal's crown for twelve years now , what is
that ?

Taking away with the intention to permanently deprive the owner - the
condition that must be satisfied in court to find an accused guilty of
theft ( still under the 1916 Larceny Act in Ireland) .

And any person who takes the stolen article from the thief. knowing it
to have been stolen ( as Con admits here that he did so know) then
that person, Con, in this case can be charged with receiving the
stolen property and be bound over for his day in Court.

But I must emphasise that that crown had absolutely nothing to do with
me or my Druids on Tara during Midsummer 1997 - Donal was not even a
member of ours, and in the finality he was rejected by me and the
other Druids by vote - only the Archdruid of Cork and Munster of the
time and his Grove voted for Donal , and in fact left the Order in
solidarity with Donal, they remain firm friends and allies to this
day, and they are well thought of by us, as they too regard us
well. .

Cheers,
Michael.

An Coibhi Drui

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Jul 9, 2009, 12:21:50 AM7/9/09
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On Jul 9, 3:14 am, stonehengeio <stoneheng...@googlemail.com> wrote:

Yes, Sizzle is correct about the Law , IMHO .

An Coibhi Drui

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Jul 9, 2009, 12:27:31 AM7/9/09
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On Jul 9, 4:21 am, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke...@gmail.com>
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But that is what you come to expect from people like Petie and Con.
After all Con stole a woman's purse out of her handbag at a meeting of
the former CDE Druid 'umbrella group' - she is the partner of Cathbad
the Druid :-)
Cheers,
Michael.

stonehengeio

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Jul 9, 2009, 7:32:16 AM7/9/09
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I bet if it was reported,you would be told its not theft, just as if
you had lent your jacket
and someone failed to return it,it is NOT theft.
We have been over this in the courts, when regalia was not returned by
someone who had lawful access
and or permission to have it in their possession(for whatever
time),Its NOT theft. CoBDO was unable to report such an incident that
happened to them because of this.
Check it out with lanigan, or better still lend your car to an
arsehole who doesn't return it,and then tell the cops who will tell
you to sue them and refuse to register it as theft.
You lend it to them means they did NOT steal it, they simply fail to
return it.

stonehengeio

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Jul 9, 2009, 1:47:37 PM7/9/09
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Hence repossession through civil courts.
That imply's someone that is dispossessed was not robbed.
The problem with this particular example is there is no way to "prove"
what petie did was
intentional. and even if conner "believed" it stolen,until that was
Proved,which is doubtful
con failed to steal it. he just likes claiming he does.lol

An Coibhi Drui

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Jul 9, 2009, 2:36:28 PM7/9/09
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Petie at that time in 1997 did a runner with that crown because he
wanted it for himself, that is he STOLE it. This was several years
before Con entered into business as a Druid, approximately six years
beforehand. Then, when Con had set up his business as a Druid, Petie
came to him, they made some deal we do not know about, Con entered
into possession of the crown through the act of receivership.

And then Con made up this cock-and-bull story of his about Petie
acting back in 1997 to prevent an ' American' ( Irish-American in
fact) becoming High King of Ireland , six years before Con set up as a
Druid ! Thus Con maintains that he himself acted six years after the
fact to prevent ' an American' being made High King of Ireland, though
that ' American' was not ever elected or made High King of Ireland
back in 1997 or at any time !

Likewise , Con maintains that there is a 'faerie queen of Tara',
perhaps there is - in the Otherworld ! Gina McGarry is not and never
was ' Faery Queen of Tara' , no such person was or is ever elected or
appointed to any such position, nor has Gina or anybody ever claimed
she is.

Gina McGarry was elected unopposed as Archdruid of Tara and Installed
as such on Tara on Sunday 22nd October 2006.

Four days after that event happened, Con Connor first objected - he
never objected beforehand nor during the ceremony. He failed to turn
up though on the List of Invitees by Gina, and you can see w hat is
going on ever since.

( In September 2006, a month beforehand - Gina had been elected in
July 2009 - Dwyer did email me to ask me as a special favour to stop
the Installation of Gina as Archdruid of Tara as he, Dwyer, wanted
that position for Con ! Dwyer emailed me from a doctor's surgery in
Portlaw, County Waterford, Ireland, where he was doing a few weeks
stand-in as Locum ) .

These are the facts of the situation as I know them and as are true.

Cheers,
Michael.

An Coibhi Drui

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Jul 9, 2009, 2:39:09 PM7/9/09
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On Jul 9, 6:36 pm, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke...@gmail.com>
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correction, Gina had been elected on July 9th , 2006, exactly THREE
YEARS AGO TODAY.
( sorry for error, a long hard day at the office )

Cheers,
Michael.

An Coibhi Drui

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