http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/last-chance-to-get-your-44-inauguration-gear/
> You CANNOT petition the Lord with prayer!
Well - yes you can. God encourages Prayers and certainly does not -
anywhere - prohibit one from becoming angry or questioning. Many
great Biblical personalities challenged God's actions, and so long as
their faith endured, God did not discount them.
May God's blessing be upon the world.
Bruce Jensen
Blessed Are We : For We Have A New
US President Barack Hussein Obama
God {Allah} Bless US President Barack Hussein Obama
President Barack "Hussein" Obama had his hand
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16406.html
on a Christian {The Lincoln] Bible written in English
http://www.loc.gov/today/pr/2008/08-236.html
and end with the words : So Help Me "God"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q89grM9cPE
1 - Muslims Please Note Obama Did Not Say 'Allah'
2 - Secularist-Atheists Please Note Obama Did Not
Omit the Name of "God"
By The Grace of GOD Almighty : Thank You Jesus
We Have a All American and 100% Christian US
President Barack Hussein Obama - Amen ~ RHF
.
.
(OT) : This Presidential Inauguration Night 2009 :
May US President Barack Hussein Obama
and His Family Sleep Peaceful and Well in
the White House.
Last Night an African-American Family slept
over-night in the US White House in the
Nation's Capital Washington, DC and they
were not visitors, guesses or servants . . .
Hail To The Chief President Barack Hussein
Obama and his Family - god bless them ~ RHF
.
(OT) : President Barack Hussein Obama Begins
1st Work Day With National Prayer Service at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/01/21/ST2009012101096.html
the Washington National Cathedral a Christian
Church
1 - Muslims Please Note Obama Went to a
Christian Church; not no Islamic Mosque.
2 - Secularist-Atheists Please Note Obama
Went to a Christian House of GOD.
>
> By The Grace of GOD Almighty : Thank You Jesus
> We Have a All American and 100% Christian US
> President Barack Hussein Obama - Amen ~ RHF
> .
So, what would be so wrong about a President being Jewish or even
Muslim?
Anybody who believes there is an invisible man in outer space running
the universe is fucking crazy.
God is neither invisible or extraterrestial. The beauty of God is all
around us. If you can't see him, it's because you refuse to. Ignoring
God doesn't make you more intelligent. It just means that you choose
to close your eyes to the positive spirit that interconnects all life.
In the big picture, all that ignoring God does for you is to make you
more alone.
Again, I ask: What's so wrong with the thought of a Muslim President?
Stewart plays Elwood P. Dowd, a middle-aged, amiable (and somewhat
eccentric) individual whose best friend is an invisible 6 foot 3 ½ inch
(1.92 m) rabbit named Harvey. Harvey is a pookah, a mischievous magical
creature from Celtic mythology. As the film begins, Elwood has been
driving his sister and niece (who live with him and crave normality and
a place in 'society') to distraction by introducing everyone he meets to
his friend, Harvey. His family seems to be unsure whether Dowd's
obsession with Harvey is an attempt to embarrass them, or a product of
his (admitted) propensity to drink or mental illness.
-wikipedia
The country was founded by Christians and their vision of God is
written into the constitution.
A requirement for assuming office is to swear an oath with a hand on
the bible ending in so help me God. The fear of God's wrath is a large
factor in believers to execute the duties of the office in accordance
with God's law as outlined in the bible.
For there to be continuity in government it requires belief and faith
in the Christian God. A Jew or Muslim person does not have the same
vision of God that Christians hold.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
> The country was founded by Christians and their vision of God is
> written into the constitution.
>
> A requirement for assuming office is to swear an oath with a hand on
> the bible ending in so help me God. The fear of God's wrath is a large
> factor in believers to execute the duties of the office in accordance
> with God's law as outlined in the bible.
>
> For there to be continuity in government it requires belief and faith
> in the Christian God. A Jew or Muslim person does not have the same
> vision of God that Christians hold.
>
> --
> Telamon
> Ventura, California
Is there no limits to your stupidity? The vast majority of the
country's "Founding Fathers" were Deist not Christian. And nobody's
"vision of God" is written into the Constitution. In fact, the intent
of the Constitution was to prevent the establishment of any faith or
creed prevailing in matters of public policy and the governing of the
nation.
We all know that you are a poser that fancies himself an
"intellectual" but really, put away your 7th grade history text and
learn the basics about the subjects smugly pontificate about.
So Dave {DaviD} is this an 'admission' that there
is a little "Elwood P. Dowd" inside of you ? ? ?
now go 'pooka' on that for a while ~ RHF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%BAca
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%BAca
.
The Wisdom of Elwood P. Dowd :
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Harvey
"Years ago my mother used to say to me, she'd say, "In this world,
Elwood, you must be" - she always called me Elwood - "In this world,
Elwood, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant." Well, for years I
was smart. I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."
.
- For there to be continuity in government it
- requires belief and faith in the Christian God.
Nah - Not Really. ~ RHF
1 - Love of American and It's Guiding Principles.
2 - Abiding Faith in the American People.
3 - Respecting "The Will Of The People"
as Manifest in US Elections.
- A Jew or Muslim person does not have the
- same vision of God that Christians hold.
Now That Is True. ~ RHF
It's a Matter of the Unique Theology of Each :
What Each Believes In and Each Has Faith In.
for i have faith and i believe - amen ~ RHF
> --
> Telamon
> Ventura, California
.
>
> The country was founded by Christians and their vision of God is
> written into the constitution.
>
Bullshit. Jefferson, Madison and Franklin were Deists. They sort of
believed in a form of God, but not revealed prophesy nor ghost-saviors
(look it up). Tom Paine was an atheist.
- Again, I ask:
- What's so wrong with the thought of a Muslim President?
MWB -Ah- That is the Colin Powell Question !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_NMZv6Vfh8
* Colin Powel - pbuh ~ RHF
MWB - Matter of Fact "Abdullah Gul" makes
a great Muslim President of Turkey ;-} ~ RHF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_G%C3%BCl
But then Again President Saddam Hussein
of Iraq was considered to be a Bad Muslim
and a Terrible President too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein
While some question the President-of-Egypt
Hosni Mubarak's Leadership and Presidency.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosni_Mubarak
just beware of those 'presidents-for-life' ~ RHF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_for_Life
.
USA and Americans -question-
What's So Wrong With A Muslim US President ?
.
IMHO - Many that have held the Office of
US President and many US House and
US Senate Members Too : Have Been
so-called : "Christians-In-Name-Only"©
-aka- Catholics-In-Name-Only"©
CINO©
CINOs©
.
FWIW - Better is a principled Man-of-Faith
like Joe Liberman then many so-called
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Liberman
Catholics-In-Name-Only"© like John 'ff' Kerry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerry
"Christians-In-Name-Only"© Al Gore
who's new Religion is 'Global Warming'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore
{ The Theology of Ecology = Ecologarian© }
-but- Clearly Jimmy Carter is a Christian Man
of Faith and Personal Conviction {Baptist}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter
.
Religious Affiliations of United States Presidents
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_affiliations_of_United_States_Presidents
.
.
>
> For there to be continuity in government it requires belief and faith
> in the Christian God. A Jew or Muslim person does not have the same
> vision of God that Christians hold.
>
While I respect your right to your own opinion, I believe you are
wrong. From a legal and Constitutional perspective, I know, with high
certainty, that you are wrong. You may personally decide that you
choose not to vote for a non-Christian, but they definitely have the
legal right to run for the office of the POTUS. And, I know that my
personal faith and beliefs are much more in line with many Jews or
Muslims than it is with some of the more cultish factions calling
themselves christians.
Calling yourself a Christian doesn't make you a better choice for
President than being Muslim.
Mike
The US Presidential Oaths of Office :
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the
office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my
ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United
States."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office_of_the_President_of_the_United_States
.
1 - "I Do Solemnly Swear (or Affirm)
.
2 - That I Will Faithfully Execute the Office
of President of the United States,
.
3 - and Will To The Best of My Ability,
.
4 - Preserve, [ As An American Citizen ]
.
5 - Protect [ As An American Official ]
.
6 - and Defend [ As An American Patriot ]
.
7 - The Constitution of the United States."
.
NOTHING ABOUT BELIEVING IN {A} GOD [.]
-but- How Does One "I Do Solemnly Swear (or Affirm)
-and- On What . . . ?
.
NOTHING ABOUT BEING A CHRISTAIN [.]
=BUT= In these here United States of America in
the 21st Century : Where Hispanic-Americans who
mostly are Catholic-Christians are becoming a larger
and larger Minority; and African-Americans have
very strong Christian based Religions Beliefs; add-in
the fact that the majority of Euro-American's still
say that they are basically Christians : Does a NON
Christian have an honest to good Political 'chance'
of being Elected to the Office of US President ?
- - - just being honest ~ RHF
.
=WRT= The Word Phrase "So Help Me God"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office_of_the_President_of_the_United_States#.22So_help_me_God.22
Which BHO did Public say {repeat}.
Note - "President Obama Re-Takes Oath"
and again said "So Help Me God"
- - - AMEN To That Brother ! ~ RHF
.
FWIW - The US Presidential Oath is Easy when
it is compared to the Oath that All US Federal
Employees are required to take by Law
The Oath of Office and the Constitution Oath
http://www.opm.gov/constitution_initiative/oath.asp
"I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I
will support and defend the Constitution of the
United States against all enemies, foreign and
domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance
to the same; that I take this obligation freely,
without any mental reservation or purpose of
evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge
the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.
So help me God."
US LAW : 5 U.S.C. §3331
-meaning- Chapter 33 of Title 5, United States Code
* "I, [name], Do Solemnly Swear (or Affirm)
* that I Will Support and Defend the Constitution
of the United States
* * Against All Enemies,
* * * Foreign
* * * and Domestic;
* that I will Bear True Faith and Allegiance to the same;
* that I Take This Obligation Freely,
* Without Any Mental Reservation
* or Purpose of Evasion;
* and that I Will Well and Faithfully Discharge the
Duties of the Office on which I am about to enter.
* So Help Me God.
- - - and I would add AMEN.
.
The United States Senate Oath of Office :
http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Oath_Office.htm
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the
Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and
domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that
I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or
purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the
duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.
.
The United States House of Representatives
Oath of Office :
http://www.conservativeusa.org/oathsofoffice.htm
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the
Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and
domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that
I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or
purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the
duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God
.
US Military* "Oath of Enlistment"
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and
defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,
foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the
United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me,
according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So
help me God."
US LAW : Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960
* Followed by the Oath for Commissioned US Military Officers.
.
Last but not least the "Oath of US Citizenship"
{Oath of Allegiance for Naturalized Citizens}
http://www.conservativeusa.org/oathsofoffice.htm
The oath of allegiance is:
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce
and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince,
potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore
been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the
Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all
enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and
allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United
States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant
service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the
law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian
direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation
freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help
me God."
-
Note - In some cases, USCIS allows the oath to be taken without the
clauses:
-
". . .that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when
required by law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed
Forces of the United States when required by law. . ."
.
proving that an oath, is an Oath. is an OATH !
- - - so help me god ~ RHF
.
.
Calling yourself a PhD when you weren't doesn't make you a better choice for
anything, especially an instructor at Louisville Technical Institute.
> On Jan 22, 9:51 pm, Telamon
> <telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote:
>
> >
> > For there to be continuity in government it requires belief and faith
> > in the Christian God. A Jew or Muslim person does not have the same
> > vision of God that Christians hold.
> >
>
>
> While I respect your right to your own opinion, I believe you are
> wrong. From a legal and Constitutional perspective, I know, with high
> certainty, that you are wrong. You may personally decide that you
> choose not to vote for a non-Christian, but they definitely have the
> legal right to run for the office of the POTUS. And, I know that my
> personal faith and beliefs are much more in line with many Jews or
> Muslims than it is with some of the more cultish factions calling
> themselves christians.
You asked a question and I answered it and it is just to bad you don't
like the answer. My answer is not an opinion but fact. If you and others
are so perverted of mind that you can not accept the truth then go
wallow in your manufactured delusion.
> Calling yourself a Christian doesn't make you a better choice for
> President than being Muslim.
That has nothing to do with the question you asked. I did not call
myself a Christian though I am a Christian.
I will say your response was interesting and predictable and that goes
for the other rabble that responded with the usual BS religion of denial
thinking.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Sort of? Somewhat? Get a clue Dave.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
He asked a question, didn't like my answer, and tried to twist what I
posted. He is somewhere between uncharitable at the least and perverse
at the worst and why ask a question in a public news group if you don't
want the answer is beyond me.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Dave it is revealed that you are a "Ghost-Poster"
how prophetic - no 'bs' - now go google yourself ~ RHF
.
Telamon wrote:
One has to remember that he claimed to have a PhD in an attempt to somehow prove
his superiority.
Bryant has "issues". And, the thing that bugs me, is that he's in a position at
Louisville Technical Institute to pass on his "values" to impressionable young
folks.
They were not devout. They were skeptics. Except Paine; he was the
clearest thinker of them all.
> Telamon wrote:
> > In article <s_jel.136033$3_4....@newsfe10.iad>, dave <da...@dave.dave>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Telamon wrote:
> >>
> >>> The country was founded by Christians and their vision of God is
> >>> written into the constitution.
> >>>
> >> Bullshit. Jefferson, Madison and Franklin were Deists. They sort of
> >> believed in a form of God, but not revealed prophesy nor ghost-saviors
> >> (look it up). Tom Paine was an atheist.
> >
> > Sort of? Somewhat? Get a clue Dave.
> >
>
> They were not devout. They were skeptics. Except Paine; he was the
> clearest thinker of them all.
Have you read the constitution?
Do you know where our rights come from?
Here are two clues:
1. They do not come from the constitution itself.
2. They do not come from some man or organization of men.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Rights are inherent. The Constitution codifies the obvious.
Right, they come from God and the constitution says so.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
This is rich. Please, quote this passage in the Constitution.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect
Union, establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the
common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of
Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this
Constitution for the United States of America.
The preamble has the words blessings, liberty, posterity, and ordain in
that order. It is a spiritual writing.
blessings - God's favor and protection.
liberty - birthright - a natural or moral rights granted by God.
posterity - liberty shall also to be conferred upon future generations.
ordain - order or decree of God, destine.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Most use this, taken not from the Constitution, but from the Declaration of
Independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
The creator being the Christian God.
Our constitution outlines the framework of our government as opposed to
individuals but the preamble states the same principles. Our rights and
any rights we confer upon our government come from God and it asks for
God's blessings that it be a righteous government.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon brother, you can't fight city hall so too speak. That is why I
won't jump into the fray too much on this stuff. You definitely aren't
going to change anyone's mind. I wish usenet was around back in the
early eighties, it would be wild to see how people thought differently
then than they do today. There would still be a "few" out there but
not like now IMO.
- http://groups.google.moc/group/alt.personals.fetish/browse_thread/thr...
little spineless 'rhf' -aka- AssWideShut,
.
Thank You for Posting the Al Gore
-aka- Liberal Democrat Mantra
"Uncle Sam Goddamn" -by- Brother Ali
{Hey "Ali" ain't that a Muslim Name}
.
the real "RHF" - accept no substitutes ~ RHF
.
FWIW - little spineless 'rhf'
NNTP-Posting-Host : 12.154.10.254
Location : Wausa, Nebraska
.
*REF* Com = NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.154.10.250
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/07bb07110d3ec4a9
-and- NNTP-Posting-Host : 12.154.10.254
.
-aka- AssWideShut @ 138Mail .Com
[ NNTP-Posting-Host : 12.154.10.254 ]
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/dd0dbca9b5f076cf
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AssWideShut [A.W.S.] -former- President
Gay, Lesbian, Transgendered Shortwave Club
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/dfbe78f2233ed54c
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/81a6cb501836c9e5
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6f9707647c94d362
.
A.W.S. - You are a clear example of the new
2009 Obama Fairness Doctrine to Silence the
Political Opposition : Through Impersonation,
Lying and Attempted Intimidation.
.
.
While i'm not defending AWS, you end up being just as big of a loon,
RHF, by accusing our President
of impersonation, lying and intimidation. Have you already forgotten
your prayers for our new
leader?
Lesson: Don't believe anything RHF posts - he'll probably change his
mind, tomorrow!
(OT) : PONG -MWB- It's Called The Great
American Right To Change Your Mind
MWB - Hey Didn't Barack Hussein Obama
run on the theme of C-H-A-N-G-E !
* So "Change" for BHO is a 'Good' Thing
* But "Change" for RHF is a 'Bad' Thing
mwb - classic two faced liberal thinking ~ RHF
.
-ps- MWB -once again- A PRAYER FOR
AMERICA AND OUR LEADERS :
Let Us All Pray the Barack Hussein Obama Serves
All the American People Well as the US President;
and Lives a Long Good Life after his Presidency.
and we all say : amen, Amen. and AMEN ! ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/be5a86d0104d4894
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/056c94b192d7248e
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/0a8ca24c82773129
.
But when US President Barack Hussein Obama
is Wrong He Is W-R-O-N-G [.] and Needs to Be
Called On It [.]
.
-or- Are We Citizens Not Allowed to Criticize the
US President Now That He Is A Democrat ?
-aka- The Liberal Democrat Double Standard
.
us presidents may come and go -but-
i have an abiding love for america -and-
faith in my fellow americans ~ RHF
.
.
Mike, why waste you time on that freak? nothing but a hypocrite, like
most of the magic christians i have run into. put him in the bit-bucket
like a bunch of us have.
hope you made it thru that last storm OK. as for me, it's 74 and a
light rain here in Tampa.
with the "Steeler Nation!!!
Drifter...
<via-brightmail>
Drifter - Good Advise ~ RHF
.
And yes I have always voted to place in power individuals who insured
that you, the hard working taxpayer who paid for my existence, never
received the gravy train of benefits and job security I received for
32 years as a worthless government bureaucRAT with a lazy sit down do
nothing job while you lemmings destroyed your health by working long
hard hours to pay for my salary and benefits.
And no I will not apologize for asking you to pony up $700,000,000,000
to rescue my generous government pension which my 401k stock portfolio
is tied into.
And yes I am a fervent free market survival of the fittest capitalist.
But this taxpayer bailout is different because it involves me and my
stock portfolio.
And no that doesn't make me a hypocrite because I am just looking out
for me and my family. All my adult life me and my family have enjoyed
a very comfortable lifestyle courtesy of you the taxpayer and we
deserve to continue to do so.
Enough said. Case closed. I win.
As always I'm just another plain old Mister-Know-It-All !
Retired, Healthy and Free ! -Hey- That's Me :o) ~ RHF
Click on my profile to find out more about me, aren't I something!
Roy