Invincible Proofs of the living Jesus Christ.
Frankie Lee
showing God’s existence as irrefutable. Some believe, some don’t.
Despite his theory was irrefutable, but who cares then? His works were
ignored. He sank to oblivion.
God said to man,” Let us reason together”. Bible.
There are hundreds of thousands of volumes written by man, ink and
paper, and now in Internet; apart from the Bible, showing evidence
that God is real and Jesus is the Savior for mankind.
There are so many demons in our world, roaming all across our earth,
and have you encountered one? (This afternoon I just saw one possessed
by Demons.)
There are more Angels here on earth then one could count, have you
seen one?
Death, sicknesses and diseases are part and parcel of our human
existence. Sufferings of humanity knew no bounds, and can anyone deny
its existence?
Evils and deceits are rampant, in business, politics and religions.
Truths are rare commodity.
A simple case studies:
There was a Singapore couple who cross over to Malaysia. Robbers
kidnapped his wife, and demands ransom. Later on, she was found to be
raped, and murdered. The husband went berserk, and suffered great
loss. The robbers were never caught.
Will the Robbers be ever identified, in the next life, or everything
gone to oblivion?
What about our secret deeds, which never came to light? The wrongs we
did to others, or others done to us?
What happen to all the sins we have committed? What about those in
power who did atrocities to humanity, like PolPot of Cambodia and Mao
of China?
Will death erase all our sins, a release or a prison camp for most
sinners? What do you think if all we had is in this life only? What do
you think of human nature?
Do we lie to one another? Even our best friends would deceive us, so
what do you think of those distance from us?
There are few realities coming for us. We are approaching to be sick,
old and diseased. We experience pain and agony and helplessness in
this life over many overwhelming power we cannot control. There is
loneliness, hollowness and unsettling troubles in our hearts and
souls. There is no peace. Have we experience the joy- unspeakable?
There is one unshakable proof, not by mere written letter, or thesis,
or explanations or on one lab; which is repeatable, testable,
empirical, observable which I can show you. It is an experiment.
Wherever you are:
You can open your mouth and call, or they say, pray. Is it not
reasonable for one to call the other line, by phone to see whether He
is there or real? But you speak to the”air”, just call out His name
and you will get your answers.
Pseudo-folks not allowed, just like those who don’t want to know
truths, how to find truths? Humble folks are allowed to pray.(Words
must come out with sound otherwise it is to no avail)
***Say this manner: Dear Lord Jesus, Frankie says I can experiment,
and to know how real or true you are.
I have sins in me.
I want to be clean.
I humble myself.
I need proofs that you are the Savior, and is God. You can freely work
your power in me.
Now I wait.7 days.
Amen.
After the proofs were given you, go to a Church. Read your Bible.
AleXX
Is he as real as your Jesus and his God?
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Ken
FreeThink
You are delusional. Your self-deception is unfortunate.
VoiceOfReason
thomas p.
> Only someone with weak faith looks for evidence of God.
And only unreasonable people believe anything based on faith.
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
< Nothing of value >
>
Prove with objective evidence, that there is a god, any god, I don't
care which god, you pick it.
After you have completed part one, we can then argue about if the god
you've proven is yours or not.
But you haven't even started on step one. So there is no evidence at
all that your Jesus buddy is what you claim he is.
Keep your imaginary friends to yourself.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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http://azhotops.blogspot.com
A.A #1143 http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
BAAWA Knight Sir Karl of the Solaris Media
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Lars Eighner
<eba8aaee-fdc9-4d36...@w37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented Frankie Lee broadcast on alt.atheism:
> There was a guy, who put his thesis in the net, wrote scientifically
> showing God?s existence as irrefutable.
Fuck you, liar.
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> September 5910, 1993
289 days since Rick Warren prayed over Bush's third term.
Obama: No hope, no change, more of the same. Yes, he can, but no, he won't.
Jimbo
> There was a guy, who put his thesis in the net, wrote scientifically
> showing God’s existence as irrefutable.
Your rhetoric is getting stale. The very nature of PROOF is that they
are not invisible. Evidence is repeatable, testable, and
verifiable. Only in this way can you have proof. Proof is above
board, and unafraid to step into the light.
What you have is fable, based on the writings of ancient goatherders,
who most likely got a hold of some bad grain.
Olrik
> There was a guy, who put his thesis in the net, wrote scientifically
> Despite his theory was irrefutable, but who cares then? His works were
> ignored. He sank to oblivion.
>
>
> There are hundreds of thousands of volumes written by man, ink and
> paper, and now in Internet; apart from the Bible, showing evidence
> that God is real and Jesus is the Savior for mankind.
The "bible" is no more a proof of "god" or "jesus" than The Hound of the
Baskervilles is a proof of Sherlock Holmes.
O.
<snip>
panam...@hotmail.com
> In our last episode,
> <eba8aaee-fdc9-4d36-9668-288d6f576...@w37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, the
> lovely and talented Frankie Lee broadcast on alt.atheism:
>
> > There was a guy, who put his thesis in the net, wrote scientifically
> > showing God?s existence as irrefutable.
>
> Fuck you, liar.
Unless he's thinking of George Hammond. In which case, he *may* not be
a liar-but he's still insane. <g>
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
Virgil
<eba8aaee-fdc9-4d36...@w37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Frankie Lee <leea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> There are hundreds of thousands of volumes written by man, ink and
> paper, and now in Internet; apart from the Bible, showing evidence
> that God is real and Jesus is the Savior for mankind.
There are as many showing that Brahma is real and the source of all life.
Sla#s
"Frankie Lee" <leea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eba8aaee-fdc9-4d36...@w37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
showing God�s existence as irrefutable. Some believe, some don�t.
Despite his theory was irrefutable, but who cares then? His works were
ignored. He sank to oblivion.
<SNIP>
I just read that post hoping to, at last, hear some of this evidence for a
god, any god the theists keep claiming they have but no yet again it was
empty of any content!
Isn't it amazing, is it that we atheist just can't see the evidence even
when they post it - or more likely they see evidence that isn't there... Oh
yes I forgot, they do see evidence that isn't there!
Slatts
Free Lunch
<leea...@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
>There was a guy, who put his thesis in the net, wrote scientifically
>showing God�s existence as irrefutable. Some believe, some don�t.
>Despite his theory was irrefutable, but who cares then? His works were
>ignored. He sank to oblivion.
You are lying to us. No one ever showed that "God's existence is
irrefutable". Are you telling that lie of your own free will or because
you are just too stupid to learn anything about reality?
...
Cory Albrecht
> There was a guy, who put his thesis in the net, wrote scientifically
> showing God’s existence as irrefutable. Some believe, some don’t.
> Despite his theory was irrefutable, but who cares then? His works were
> ignored. He sank to oblivion.
You don't put theses on the 'Net - anybody can put any pile of garbage
on the the 'Net without any form of quality control. Much like your
ramblings full of unsupported assertions, Frankie.
If you want a a thesis to be acknowledged and accepted, you submit it to
an appropriate peer-reviewed journal. There, before publication, it can
get reviewed by legitimately credentialed experts in the field who make
sure that you haven't made any mistakes, that you used accurate data and
so on. After that, publication serves to spread your thesis among the
global community and become known to experts in that field. This way
they, too, can check for mistakes in your work, they can replicate your
experiments to verify that they get the same results as you, they can
point out if you have made any erroneous assumptions or didn't control
for critical variables.
That is how you get a scientific thesis recognized rather than ignored -
not by publishing direct to the Internet like some crank.
>
> God said to man,” Let us reason together”. Bible.
>
> There are hundreds of thousands of volumes written by man, ink and
> paper, and now in Internet; apart from the Bible, showing evidence
> that God is real and Jesus is the Savior for mankind.
Citations, please, or it's just an unsupported assertion.
>
> There are so many demons in our world, roaming all across our earth,
> and have you encountered one? (This afternoon I just saw one possessed
> by Demons.)
Unsupported assertion.
> There are more Angels here on earth then one could count, have you
> seen one?
Unsupported assertion.
>
> Death, sicknesses and diseases are part and parcel of our human
> existence. Sufferings of humanity knew no bounds, and can anyone deny
> its existence?
Yeah. So what?
>
> Evils and deceits are rampant, in business, politics and religions.
> Truths are rare commodity.
And even rarer where you are concerned, Frankie.
>
> A simple case studies:
>
> There was a Singapore couple who cross over to Malaysia. Robbers
> kidnapped his wife, and demands ransom. Later on, she was found to be
> raped, and murdered. The husband went berserk, and suffered great
> loss. The robbers were never caught.
And how is this a "case study"?
>
> Will the Robbers be ever identified, in the next life, or everything
> gone to oblivion?
Until you can actually verify that there is an afterlife, try asking the
police if those kidnappers will ever be found.
>
> What about our secret deeds, which never came to light? The wrongs we
> did to others, or others done to us?
>
> What happen to all the sins we have committed? What about those in
> power who did atrocities to humanity, like PolPot of Cambodia and Mao
> of China?
>
> Will death erase all our sins, a release or a prison camp for most
> sinners? What do you think if all we had is in this life only? What do
> you think of human nature?
>
> Do we lie to one another? Even our best friends would deceive us, so
> what do you think of those distance from us?
>
> There are few realities coming for us. We are approaching to be sick,
> old and diseased. We experience pain and agony and helplessness in
> this life over many overwhelming power we cannot control. There is
> loneliness, hollowness and unsettling troubles in our hearts and
> souls. There is no peace. Have we experience the joy- unspeakable?
>
> There is one unshakable proof, not by mere written letter, or thesis,
> or explanations or on one lab; which is repeatable, testable,
> empirical, observable which I can show you. It is an experiment.
> Wherever you are:
>
> You can open your mouth and call, or they say, pray. Is it not
> reasonable for one to call the other line, by phone to see whether He
> is there or real? But you speak to the”air”, just call out His name
> and you will get your answers.
Prove it, Frankie. Provide actual evidence that prayers get answered.
Better yet, show why so many prayers do not get answered, and do so
without asinine rationalizations like "God must have had a plan for all
those bad times in your life".
>
> Pseudo-folks not allowed, just like those who don’t want to know
> truths, how to find truths? Humble folks are allowed to pray.(Words
> must come out with sound otherwise it is to no avail)
>
> ***Say this manner: Dear Lord Jesus, Frankie says I can experiment,
> and to know how real or true you are.
> I have sins in me.
> I want to be clean.
> I humble myself.
> I need proofs that you are the Savior, and is God. You can freely work
> your power in me.
> Now I wait.7 days.
Bullpuckey. I bet you that even though I go to Church every Sunday that
even if I prayed that, that I would still not have objective verifiable
evidence that God exists.
SkyEyes
> There was a guy, who put his thesis in the net, wrote scientifically
> showing God’s existence as irrefutable. Some believe, some don’t.
> Despite his theory was irrefutable, but who cares then? His works were
> ignored. He sank to oblivion.
>
> God said to man,” Let us reason together”. Bible.
>
> There are hundreds of thousands of volumes written by man, ink and
> paper, and now in Internet; apart from the Bible, showing evidence
> that God is real and Jesus is the Savior for mankind.
And they are...what, exactly? Please list them here, and include a
brief precis of the argument/evidence that each provides, proving that
God is real.
> There are so many demons in our world, roaming all across our earth,
> and have you encountered one? (This afternoon I just saw one possessed
> by Demons.)
Demons are creatures of mythology. There are no demons. What you saw
was a person suffering from mental illness.
> There are more Angels here on earth then one could count, have you
> seen one?
Well, I frequently think my blue-eyed white cat is an angel, as she
nurses me when I'm sick in a most tender and solicitous manner; but
somehow I don't think that's what you're talking about.
You're talking about mythological beings created to serve your god.
Sorry, Frankie, they don't exist any more than demons do.
Guess what? Vampires don't exist, either. Or elves. Or fairies. Or
trolls (outside of Usenet, anyway), or unicorns, or the Tooth Fairy.
> Death, sicknesses and diseases are part and parcel of our human
> existence. Sufferings of humanity knew no bounds, and can anyone deny
> its existence?
Suffering is a normal part of physical life. I think you should read
what The Buddha had to say about suffering.
>
> Evils and deceits are rampant, in business, politics and religions.
I've noticed that. I find christianity to be especially evil,
followed closely by islam and scientology.
> Truths are rare commodity.
*Facts*, on the other hand, are *not* rare.
>
> A simple case studies:
>
> There was a Singapore couple who cross over to Malaysia. Robbers
> kidnapped his wife, and demands ransom. Later on, she was found to be
> raped, and murdered. The husband went berserk, and suffered great
> loss. The robbers were never caught.
>
> Will the Robbers be ever identified, in the next life, or everything
> gone to oblivion?
Everything goes to oblivion, Frankie. There is no supernatural
justice in an afterlife. That's why it matters so much that we strive
for justice *here*.
> What about our secret deeds, which never came to light? The wrongs we
> did to others, or others done to us?
What about them?
My parents taught me that the true measure of human character is what
a person will do when s/he knows s/he will never be caught. I try to
live my life to that standard, and it doesn't much bother me that
other people will get away with bad deeds.
> What happen to all the sins we have committed?
"Sin" is a religious concept. It does not apply to atheists. We
abide by the secular law, and to the best of our ability, try to be
decent to other people and other life forms.
> What about those in
> power who did atrocities to humanity, like PolPot of Cambodia and Mao
> of China?
What about them? There is no supernatural justice meted out in the
afterlife, Frankie. Suck it up and deal.
> Will death erase all our sins, a release or a prison camp for most
> sinners? What do you think if all we had is in this life only?
Yes: all we have is this life. There is no afterlife, and no divine
justice. Grow up.
> What do you think of human nature?
I think it's rather interesting.
> Do we lie to one another? Even our best friends would deceive us, so
> what do you think of those distance from us?
My, my, Frankie. You must not have very good or trustworthy friends.
I feel sorry for you.
As to those at a distance? I think they are neither more nor less
venal than anybody else.
> There are few realities coming for us. We are approaching to be sick,
> old and diseased.
Fucking tell me about it. I'm 60 years old, and I have two chronic
health conditions.
However, that doesn't seem to stop me from enjoying my life a whole
big bunch.
> We experience pain and agony and helplessness in
> this life over many overwhelming power we cannot control.
Well, I've always suspected that christians are, at heart, control
freaks. I'm not a control freak, so I don't much worry about it.
Pain and agony and periods of helplessness are part of meat life,
Frankie. Those things happen to every animal, from the frogs in the
ponds to the mighty eagle in the sky. I don't obsess about it.
> There is
> loneliness, hollowness and unsettling troubles in our hearts and
> souls.
Well, obviously, there are such feelings in *you*. Can't say that I
experience anything similar. I am quite enjoying my life.
> There is no peace. Have we experience the joy- unspeakable?
<Eye roll> Well, have you ever tried pot?
> There is one unshakable proof, not by mere written letter, or thesis,
> or explanations or on one lab; which is repeatable, testable,
> empirical, observable which I can show you. It is an experiment.
> Wherever you are:
>
> You can open your mouth and call, or they say, pray. Is it not
> reasonable for one to call the other line, by phone to see whether He
> is there or real? But you speak to the”air”, just call out His name
> and you will get your answers.
No, dear. That would be talking to ones' self. Anyone who would do
what you suggest is a believer already, and expects results. It's a
well-studied psychological phenomenon.
Rationalists don't believe that talking to ourselves (even if we
address our comments to "God"), and therefore won't get the same
experience.
And just so you know: I grew up a fundamentalist born-again
christian, and it was doing the very thing you suggest that eventually
led me to rationalism. "God" never answered. And I'm not the only
one on this newsgroup for whom the experiment failed.
> Pseudo-folks not allowed, just like those who don’t want to know
> truths, how to find truths?
I'm not much interested in "truths." "Truths" are whatever the guy
currently speaking says they are. You've got your version of
"Truths." The muslims, like Firnando who invades our newsgroup all
the time, have *their* version of "Truths." The scientologists have a
completely different version of "Truths."
Nah, you can keep "Truths." Give me *facts*.
> Humble folks are allowed to pray.(Words
> must come out with sound otherwise it is to no avail)
So your god-thingy doesn't respond to silent prayer? That's funny;
the christian fundamentalist church where I grew up preached that god
answered silent, unspoken prayers just as often as spoken prayers. I
wish you christers would get your stories straight.
>
> ***Say this manner: Dear Lord Jesus, Frankie says I can experiment,
> and to know how real or true you are.
> I have sins in me.
> I want to be clean.
> I humble myself.
> I need proofs that you are the Savior, and is God. You can freely work
> your power in me.
> Now I wait.7 days.
> Amen.
>
> After the proofs were given you, go to a Church. Read your Bible.
Read it, lo these 52 years ago and many times thereafter. And I have
been to church. Waste of time.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
Christopher A. Lee
Brian E. Clark
olri...@yahoo.com says...
> The "bible" is no more a proof of "god" or "jesus" than
> The Hound of the Baskervilles is a proof of Sherlock Holmes.
B-b-b-but...there really are moors in Devon, and large dogs
do exist, and men's boots can be stolen, so the story just
*has* to be true in every particular!
--
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Brian E. Clark
Christopher A. Lee
Elementary, my dear Watson.
haiku jones
> On Nov 5, 9:11 am, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > There was a guy, who put his thesis in the net, wrote scientifically
> > showing God’s existence as irrefutable. Some believe, some don’t.
> > Despite his theory was irrefutable, but who cares then? His works were
> > ignored. He sank to oblivion.
>
> > God said to man,” Let us reason together”. Bible.
>
> > There are hundreds of thousands of volumes written by man, ink and
> > paper, and now in Internet; apart from the Bible, showing evidence
> > that God is real and Jesus is the Savior for mankind.
>
> And they are...what, exactly? Please list them here, and include a
> brief precis of the argument/evidence that each provides, proving that
> God is real.
>
> > There are so many demons in our world, roaming all across our earth,
> > and have you encountered one? (This afternoon I just saw one possessed
> > by Demons.)
>
> Demons are creatures of mythology. There are no demons.
Well, there are in fact demons, in Sarah Palin's Third Wave
Christianity, anyhow. Lots of demons. Some of them are
"Territorial Demons", afflicting entire regions or whole
cities, much like the Ancient Evil in Stephen King novels,
which was there before even the very first humans.
Be afraid. Be very afraid. But not of demons.
Of Sarah.
entire
> What you saw
> was a person suffering from mental illness.
> entire
Based on what you've said here before, saying you've "been to
church" is like saying Bill Gates "is comfortably well off".
Frankie's
God certainly had every opportunity with you.
Haiku Jones
Steve Knight
>There was a guy, who put his thesis in the net, wrote scientifically
>showing God�s existence as irrefutable. Some believe, some don�t.
>Despite his theory was irrefutable, but who cares then? His works were
>ignored. He sank to oblivion.
No doubt because his irrefutable evidence was the same as yours.
You believe superstitious myth. You are convinced to a level, that
any other input is worthless. Like most psychotic believers, like
yourself, having atheists reject and scorn you brings out that gnawing
fear that everything you have spent so much time and effort believing,
might be false.
But you keep coming back to alt.atheism, don't you? Here you get to
read all those forbidden thoughts denied to you. I have a feeling
somebody said something that has you 'thinking' and now you need to
lash out with Sunday school Apologetics. A way of plugging that mental
hole and return to the safety of ignorance. You might do it too. Which
is a sad thing. You will never know the freedom to think for yourself.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
Yap
> Only someone with weak faith looks for evidence of God.
Weak faith, strong faith, what the difference?
They all never encounter god since ancient times.
Even your JC was bullshitting that he was god, as if you don't know,
sucker.
Yap
Perhaps you have forgotten your medicine, you senseless loon.
Frankie Lee
> On Nov 5, 9:11 am, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > There was a guy, who put his thesis in the net, wrote scientifically
> > showing God’s existence as irrefutable. Some believe, some don’t.
> > Despite his theory was irrefutable, but who cares then? His works were
> > ignored. He sank to oblivion.
>
> > God said to man,” Let us reason together”. Bible.
>
> > There are hundreds of thousands of volumes written by man, ink and
> > paper, and now in Internet; apart from the Bible, showing evidence
> > that God is real and Jesus is the Savior for mankind.
>
> And they are...what, exactly? Please list them here, and include a
> brief precis of the argument/evidence that each provides, proving that
> God is real.
Me: I told you there are hundreds of thousands,too voluminous.Don't
you think it would takes a lifetime of yours?My messages above
contains enough guidance for you to find,where and how.Just go to a
bookstore,under Christian sections,or libraries.
-----------------------
>
> > There are so many demons in our world, roaming all across our earth,
> > and have you encountered one? (This afternoon I just saw one possessed
> > by Demons.)
>
> Demons are creatures of mythology. There are no demons. What you saw
> was a person suffering from mental illness.
Me: Wow!You projected on my behalf base on your knowledge of mental
illness folks,describing for me on what I saw!Don't you think,you can
hold neutral grounds,or disbelieve my words,or believe my words,but
projected for me base on your assumptions,isn't that lame?
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> > There are more Angels here on earth then one could count, have you
> > seen one?
>
> Well, I frequently think my blue-eyed white cat is an angel, as she
> nurses me when I'm sick in a most tender and solicitous manner; but
> somehow I don't think that's what you're talking about.
Me: Just say "I don't know",it suffice,rather than merry go round.
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>
> You're talking about mythological beings created to serve your god.
>
> Sorry, Frankie, they don't exist any more than demons do.
Me: You are again being frank,for describing your lack of experience
with demons.
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> Guess what? Vampires don't exist, either. Or elves. Or fairies. Or
> trolls (outside of Usenet, anyway), or unicorns, or the Tooth Fairy.
>
> > Death, sicknesses and diseases are part and parcel of our human
> > existence. Sufferings of humanity knew no bounds, and can anyone deny
> > its existence?
>
> Suffering is a normal part of physical life. I think you should read
> what The Buddha had to say about suffering.
***I reject the notions that suffering is anything,but normal.There is
a yearnings in all of us to reject that but there is a real urge in us
to get help,and be well,and live happily ever after.
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> > Evils and deceits are rampant, in business, politics and religions.
>
> I've noticed that. I find christianity to be especially evil,
***Christianity,whose commandments was sum up in these two phrase:
Love God and Love your neighbors.
Obviously you nailed yourself to a corner,rantings to get attention of
your bad observations.
---------------------------------------------------------
> followed closely by islam and scientology.
>
> > Truths are rare commodity.
>
> *Facts*, on the other hand, are *not* rare.
Me***Agreed.
-----------------------------------------------------------
>
> > A simple case studies:
>
> > There was a Singapore couple who cross over to Malaysia. Robbers
> > kidnapped his wife, and demands ransom. Later on, she was found to be
> > raped, and murdered. The husband went berserk, and suffered great
> > loss. The robbers were never caught.
>
> > Will the Robbers be ever identified, in the next life, or everything
> > gone to oblivion?
>
> Everything goes to oblivion, Frankie. There is no supernatural
> justice in an afterlife. That's why it matters so much that we strive
> for justice *here*.
Me: So,those robbers get to enjoy the ransom money,live comfortably
and happily ever after,and upon death,their sins are erase.That poor
chap,lost monies,suffered the trauma that his wife was raped and
tortured to death,and for the rest of his life,lived in misery.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > What about our secret deeds, which never came to light? The wrongs we
> > did to others, or others done to us?
>
> What about them?
>
> My parents taught me that the true measure of human character is what
> a person will do when s/he knows s/he will never be caught. I try to
> live my life to that standard, and it doesn't much bother me that
> other people will get away with bad deeds.
Me: It doesn't bother you?In your own words,you encouraged wicked
doers,even had no hint or clue what you had affirmed!
You live a wasted life!
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> > What happen to all the sins we have committed?
>
> "Sin" is a religious concept. It does not apply to atheists. We
> abide by the secular law, and to the best of our ability, try to be
> decent to other people and other life forms.
Me: Sin meant doing immoral deeds,telling
lies,idolaters,murders,etc..It applies to all.
------------------------------------------------------
>
> > What about those in
> > power who did atrocities to humanity, like PolPot of Cambodia and Mao
> > of China?
>
> What about them? There is no supernatural justice meted out in the
> afterlife, Frankie. Suck it up and deal.
Me: Touch your heart when you wrote that.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > Will death erase all our sins, a release or a prison camp for most
> > sinners? What do you think if all we had is in this life only?
>
> Yes: all we have is this life. There is no afterlife, and no divine
> justice. Grow up.
>
> > What do you think of human nature?
>
> I think it's rather interesting.
>
> > Do we lie to one another? Even our best friends would deceive us, so
> > what do you think of those distance from us?
>
> My, my, Frankie. You must not have very good or trustworthy friends.
> I feel sorry for you.
>
> As to those at a distance? I think they are neither more nor less
> venal than anybody else.
>
> > There are few realities coming for us. We are approaching to be sick,
> > old and diseased.
> ----------------------------------------------
> Fucking tell me about it. I'm 60 years old, and I have two chronic
> health conditions.
>
> However, that doesn't seem to stop me from enjoying my life a whole
> big bunch.
>
> > We experience pain and agony and helplessness in
> > this life over many overwhelming power we cannot control.
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Well, I've always suspected that christians are, at heart, control
> freaks. I'm not a control freak, so I don't much worry about it.
>
> Pain and agony and periods of helplessness are part of meat life,
> Frankie. Those things happen to every animal, from the frogs in the
> ponds to the mighty eagle in the sky. I don't obsess about it.
Me: It is a prelude to a greater degree of sufferings,coming soon.
----------------------------------------------------------
> > There is
> > loneliness, hollowness and unsettling troubles in our hearts and
> > souls.
>
> Well, obviously, there are such feelings in *you*. Can't say that I
> experience anything similar. I am quite enjoying my life.
Me:As a kid,demons kept coming to me after night falls,and grab
me,something like chains.It goes on for 3 long years.One of twice
encounter at least they could say I am hallucinating,but for 3 years!
After I called on the name of the Lord Jesus then I am freed.
Trust me,the Bible says the god of this world blinded your eyes,held
you bondage,I know it to be true.
------------------------------------------------------------
> > There is no peace. Have we experience the joy- unspeakable?
>
> <Eye roll> Well, have you ever tried pot?
**Never.I experience Christ's love and His unspeakable joys in
me,occasionally.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> > There is one unshakable proof, not by mere written letter, or thesis,
> > or explanations or on one lab; which is repeatable, testable,
> > empirical, observable which I can show you. It is an experiment.
> > Wherever you are:
>
> > You can open your mouth and call, or they say, pray. Is it not
> > reasonable for one to call the other line, by phone to see whether He
> > is there or real? But you speak to the”air”, just call out His name
> > and you will get your answers.
>
> No, dear. That would be talking to ones' self. Anyone who would do
> what you suggest is a believer already, and expects results. It's a
> well-studied psychological phenomenon.
***I gave a fair and most reasonable form of experiments.A solid
proof,easily tested.Here you are,touching on silly explanations.You
are not skeptics to begin with.Do it and you see the results,otherwise
tell me,it isn't a fair experiments?
Jesus is alive,and millions can testify on Him.Can that be trivial?All
science experiments begin with 'assumptions",but they experiment.
What then is testable,if you don;t test?What then verifiable,if you
don;t verified Him?What then is repeatable?You sure lack common
sense,nor are you anything near to be an Intelligent person.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Rationalists don't believe that talking to ourselves (even if we
> address our comments to "God"), and therefore won't get the same
> experience.
>
> And just so you know: I grew up a fundamentalist born-again
> christian, and it was doing the very thing you suggest that eventually
> led me to rationalism. "God" never answered. And I'm not the only
> one on this newsgroup for whom the experiment failed.
Me: Fundamentalist believe in letters,dead religion.Here I am showing
is a live experiments.Who can argue on that?I know it won't fail,for I
have never seen it to have failed,in all of my life!!!!!!!!!!
You will thank me if you do as I say,experiment!You must be thankful
to have read my messages,for many are deprived of the manifold wisdom
of words such as mine.Do it.God loves you.
In my natural carnal flesh,I would prefer to leave you to die and
rot,rather than show you great things,for you are a crook and nut
according to my definition and analysis.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Pseudo-folks not allowed, just like those who don’t want to know
> > truths, how to find truths?
>
> I'm not much interested in "truths." "Truths" are whatever the guy
> currently speaking says they are. You've got your version of
> "Truths." The muslims, like Firnando who invades our newsgroup all
> the time, have *their* version of "Truths." The scientologists have a
> completely different version of "Truths."
Me: You have no idea what you are saying.Everyone can claim
anything,but truths is only one,and it is definite.
---------------------------------------------------
> Nah, you can keep "Truths." Give me *facts*.
>
> > Humble folks are allowed to pray.(Words
> > must come out with sound otherwise it is to no avail)
>
> So your god-thingy doesn't respond to silent prayer? That's funny;
> the christian fundamentalist church where I grew up preached that god
> answered silent, unspoken prayers just as often as spoken prayers. I
> wish you christers would get your stories straight.
***God shouldn't answer silent prayers.Here you are talking to a live
person,not some mysterious person.God deals with you as a normal
rational being,but you think being in silent prayer works?The
scriptures never show any silent prayer.See how you are deceived by
silly denomination then.No wonder,your experiment fail.
Do as I say,exactly.Ridicule me as much as you want,if you fail the
experiments that I propose.God honors my words,and allow such proofs
for a time being.Don't think that my offer is forever.
-----
Frankie Lee
> Frankie Lee wrote:
> > There was a guy, who put his thesis in the net, wrote scientifically
> > Despite his theory was irrefutable, but who cares then? His works were
> > ignored. He sank to oblivion.
>
>
> > There are hundreds of thousands of volumes written by man, ink and
> > paper, and now in Internet; apart from the Bible, showing evidence
> > that God is real and Jesus is the Savior for mankind.
>
> The "bible" is no more a proof of "god" or "jesus" than The Hound of the
> Baskervilles is a proof of Sherlock Holmes.
>
> O.
>
> <snip>
The "bible" is no more a proof of "god" or "jesus" than The Hound of
the
Baskervilles is a proof of Sherlock Holmes.
Me: That's why you are confused.The Hound is a fiction book.Presented
to be such.The Bible is a Holy book.It present as such.
The Hound has thoughts of Sherlock Holmes.The Bible has God's thoughts
and His dealings with real people and real experience.
If only one honorable man held it up as Honorable,that is
sufficient.Einstein said it is an Honorable book.That should suffice
your ramblings.
Smiler
> In article <hcv3hk$6if$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> olri...@yahoo.com says...
>
>> The "bible" is no more a proof of "god" or "jesus" than
>> The Hound of the Baskervilles is a proof of Sherlock Holmes.
>
> B-b-b-but...there really are moors in Devon,
Yep, two of them, Dartmoor and Exmoor.
> and large dogs
> do exist, and men's boots can be stolen, so the story just
> *has* to be true in every particular!
Not only that. There *is* a 221B, Baker Street in London.
Royal Mail says that they still get several letters a week for a Mr. S.
Holmes at that address.
--
Smiler
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all made to
perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer
Frankie Lee
***Only in this way can you have proof. Proof is above
board, and unafraid to step into the light.
Me: I agree.
Ben Kaufman
<brian...@address.invalid.invalid> wrote:
And don't forget about Kansas and scarecrows. :-)
Ben
Frankie Lee
***Hello,have you done business in your life?Have you ever been to a
school?Have you ever use a telephone?
I am introducing you to a person,alive and well.I know Him,and you
don't know Him.So you want proves of Him as real person.That He is
really God.
Do the experiment than answer me.Or else,you are a bluff.
Smiler
I've corrected your subject line for you.
No need to thank me.
Olrik
> On Nov 6, 1:53 am, Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Frankie Lee wrote:
>>> There was a guy, who put his thesis in the net, wrote scientifically
>>> Despite his theory was irrefutable, but who cares then? His works were
>>> ignored. He sank to oblivion.
>>> There are hundreds of thousands of volumes written by man, ink and
>>> paper, and now in Internet; apart from the Bible, showing evidence
>>> that God is real and Jesus is the Savior for mankind.
>> The "bible" is no more a proof of "god" or "jesus" than The Hound of the
>> Baskervilles is a proof of Sherlock Holmes.
>>
>> O.
>>
>> <snip>
>
> The "bible" is no more a proof of "god" or "jesus" than The Hound of
> the
> Baskervilles is a proof of Sherlock Holmes.
>
> Me: That's why you are confused.The Hound is a fiction book.Presented
> to be such.
At least it's honest.
> The Bible is a Holy book.
Not to me.
> It present as such.
Who cares? Anybody can start a religion, declare writings "sacred", etc.
Just look at mormons, rael, scientology, etc. Oh, if you want to dismiss
those religions as not true, I'll have to ask you for proofs.
> The Hound has thoughts of Sherlock Holmes.The Bible has God's thoughts
> and His dealings with real people and real experience.
So the believers say. I say the bible is a book of jewish myths,
overblown and unreliable oral history, and pure fiction.
> If only one honorable man held it up as Honorable,that is
> sufficient.Einstein said it is an Honorable book.
Einstein was a remarkable physicist, probably the greatest. But he was
not a philosopher, nor an historian, nor a theologian, so I don't care
about his opinions on religion.
> That should suffice your ramblings.
Who the fuck are you to tell me how to think, creepy bastard?
Olrik
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
> On Nov 6, 1:26 am, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylo...@getnet.net> wrote:
>> Frankie Lee wrote:
>>
>> < Nothing of value >
>>
>> Prove with objective evidence, that there is a god, any god, I don't
>> care which god, you pick it.
>>
>> After you have completed part one, we can then argue about if the god
>> you've proven is yours or not.
>>
>> But you haven't even started on step one. So there is no evidence at
>> all that your Jesus buddy is what you claim he is.
>>
>> Keep your imaginary friends to yourself.
>>
>
>
> school?Have you ever use a telephone?
> I am introducing you to a person,alive and well.I know Him,and you
> don't know Him.So you want proves of Him as real person.That He is
> really God.
>
not use telephones, or computers. It lives in your addled brain, and
nowhere else.
>
> Do the experiment than answer me.Or else,you are a bluff.
>
Prove, with objective evidence that there is a god, any god, I don't
care which god, you pick it. Then we'll argue about whether or not, it
is your god.
Syd M.
> On Nov 6, 1:53 am, Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Frankie Lee wrote:
> > > There was a guy, who put his thesis in the net, wrote scientifically
> > > showing God’s existence as irrefutable. Some believe, some don’t.
> > > Despite his theory was irrefutable, but who cares then? His works were
> > > ignored. He sank to oblivion.
>
> > > God said to man,” Let us reason together”. Bible.
>
> > > There are hundreds of thousands of volumes written by man, ink and
> > > paper, and now in Internet; apart from the Bible, showing evidence
> > > that God is real and Jesus is the Savior for mankind.
>
> > The "bible" is no more a proof of "god" or "jesus" than The Hound of the
> > Baskervilles is a proof of Sherlock Holmes.
>
> > O.
>
> > <snip>
>
> The "bible" is no more a proof of "god" or "jesus" than The Hound of
> the
> Baskervilles is a proof of Sherlock Holmes.
>
> Me: That's why you are confused.The Hound is a fiction book.Presented
> to be such.The Bible is a Holy book.
And you were doing so well, too.
The bible is just as fictional as the Hound Of The Baskervilles or The
Shining, or The Statement Of Randolph Carter.
And using the bible to prove the bible is not going to work, son.
PDW
Syd M.
Alright, so go on and post some.
PDW
Sanity's Little Helper
> God said to man,ļæ½ Let us reason togetherļæ½. Bible.
No facts are gleaned from reasoning. Belief and faith, in fact, are
reasoning without facts.
--
David Silverman
aa #2208
Defender of Civilisation
"Christian" (n). A person who views insulting non-Christians as a sacred
duity, and any response as persecution
Not authentic without this signature.
AleXX
"Frankie Lee" <leea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dbc9cb18-6b00-4a46...@r24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 6, 1:26 am, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylo...@getnet.net> wrote:
> Frankie Lee wrote:
>
> < Nothing of value >
>
> Prove with objective evidence, that there is a god, any god, I don't
> care which god, you pick it.
>
> After you have completed part one, we can then argue about if the god
> you've proven is yours or not.
>
> But you haven't even started on step one. So there is no evidence at
> all that your Jesus buddy is what you claim he is.
>
> Keep your imaginary friends to yourself.
>
> --
> There are none more ignorant and useless,
> than they that seek answers on their knees,
> with their eyes closed.
> ____________________________________________________________________
> Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
> http://azhotops.blogspot.com
> A.A #1143 http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology
>
> Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
>
> BAAWA Knight Sir Karl of the Solaris Media
> ____________________________________________________________________
> ***Hello,have you done business in your life?
What type of business are you referring to?
> Have you ever been to a school?
What type of school are you talking about?
> Have you ever use a telephone?
What brand or model of telephone you are talking about?
> I am introducing you to a person,alive and well.
What type of person, alive and well you are talking about?
> I know Him,and you don't know Him.So you want proves of Him as real
> person.That He is really God.
What type of "Him" and what type of proves of "Him" as a real person are you
talking about?
> That He is really God
What type of God you are talking about?
> Do the experiment than answer me.
What type of experiment and answer you are taling about?
> Or else,you are a bluff.
Or else, a Freak like youself are a bluff and full of shit?
Jimbo
Then why don't you present this evidence? Empirical, subjective
evidence? Something that doesn't amountt to "Well, I can't explain
it, so it must be my god!!!"
Free Lunch
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
Frankie's got lots of subjective 'evidence'. Empirical, not so much.
Jimbo
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:00:06 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com>
>
> - Show quoted text -
LOL! I meant to say "substantive" there. My bad.
Free Lunch
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
No prob.
Smiler
> On Nov 6, 9:02 am, SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Nov 5, 9:11 am, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There was a guy, who put his thesis in the net, wrote scientifically
>>> showing God�s existence as irrefutable. Some believe, some don�t.
>>> Despite his theory was irrefutable, but who cares then? His works
>>> were ignored. He sank to oblivion.
>>
>>> God said to man,� Let us reason together�. Bible.
>>
>>> There are hundreds of thousands of volumes written by man, ink and
>>> paper, and now in Internet; apart from the Bible, showing evidence
>>> that God is real and Jesus is the Savior for mankind.
>>
>
>
>> And they are...what, exactly? Please list them here, and include a
>> brief precis of the argument/evidence that each provides, proving
>> that God is real.
>
> Me: I told you there are hundreds of thousands,too voluminous.
Give us just two or three examples of objective evidence then.
Bet you can't.
> Don't
> you think it would takes a lifetime of yours?My messages above
> contains enough guidance for you to find,where and how.Just go to a
> bookstore,under Christian sections,or libraries.
> -----------------------
>
Why should I do your work for you?
If you want us to believe, you'll have to show us the evidence.
>
>>
>>> There are so many demons in our world, roaming all across our earth,
>>> and have you encountered one? (This afternoon I just saw one
>>> possessed by Demons.)
>>
>> Demons are creatures of mythology. There are no demons. What you saw
>> was a person suffering from mental illness.
>
> Me: Wow!You projected on my behalf base on your knowledge of mental
> illness folks,describing for me on what I saw!Don't you think,you can
> hold neutral grounds,or disbelieve my words,or believe my words,but
> projected for me base on your assumptions,isn't that lame?
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
How can we be neutral about demons? Either they exist or don't exist.
As you've not provided any objective evidence that they do exist, we can
only assume that they don't.
Your say-so isn't good enough reason to change my mind.
>
>>> There are more Angels here on earth then one could count, have you
>>> seen one?
>>
>> Well, I frequently think my blue-eyed white cat is an angel, as she
>> nurses me when I'm sick in a most tender and solicitous manner; but
>> somehow I don't think that's what you're talking about.
>
> Me: Just say "I don't know",it suffice,rather than merry go round.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>
>> You're talking about mythological beings created to serve your god.
>>
>> Sorry, Frankie, they don't exist any more than demons do.
>
> Me: You are again being frank,for describing your lack of experience
> with demons.
>
Yep, and with angels.
But again, as you've presented no objective evidence for the existence these
supposed beings, we can only assume that they don't.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>> Guess what? Vampires don't exist, either. Or elves. Or fairies. Or
>> trolls (outside of Usenet, anyway), or unicorns, or the Tooth Fairy.
>>
>>> Death, sicknesses and diseases are part and parcel of our human
>>> existence. Sufferings of humanity knew no bounds, and can anyone
>>> deny its existence?
>>
>> Suffering is a normal part of physical life. I think you should read
>> what The Buddha had to say about suffering.
>
> ***I reject the notions that suffering is anything,but normal.There is
> a yearnings in all of us to reject that but there is a real urge in us
> to get help,and be well,and live happily ever after.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>> Evils and deceits are rampant, in business, politics and religions.
>>
>> I've noticed that. I find christianity to be especially evil,
>
> ***Christianity,whose commandments was sum up in these two phrase:
> Love God and Love your neighbors.
>
It's a pity, then, that the followers of that faith don't follow those
commandments.
You are a prime example of one who doesn't follow those commandments by
lying to your 'neighbours'.
> Obviously you nailed yourself to a corner,rantings to get attention of
> your bad observations.
Obviously you have no objective evidence for the things you believe.
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>> followed closely by islam and scientology.
>>
>>> Truths are rare commodity.
>>
>> *Facts*, on the other hand, are *not* rare.
>
> Me***Agreed.
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>> A simple case studies:
>>
>>> There was a Singapore couple who cross over to Malaysia. Robbers
>>> kidnapped his wife, and demands ransom. Later on, she was found to
>>> be raped, and murdered. The husband went berserk, and suffered great
>>> loss. The robbers were never caught.
>>
>>> Will the Robbers be ever identified, in the next life, or everything
>>> gone to oblivion?
>>
>> Everything goes to oblivion, Frankie. There is no supernatural
>> justice in an afterlife. That's why it matters so much that we strive
>> for justice *here*.
>
> Me: So,those robbers get to enjoy the ransom money,live comfortably
> and happily ever after,and upon death,their sins are erase.That poor
> chap,lost monies,suffered the trauma that his wife was raped and
> tortured to death,and for the rest of his life,lived in misery.
>
Only if they don't get caught and punished in THIS LIFE, the only one we
have.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>> What about our secret deeds, which never came to light? The wrongs
>>> we did to others, or others done to us?
>>
>> What about them?
>>
>> My parents taught me that the true measure of human character is what
>> a person will do when s/he knows s/he will never be caught. I try to
>> live my life to that standard, and it doesn't much bother me that
>> other people will get away with bad deeds.
>
> Me: It doesn't bother you?In your own words,you encouraged wicked
> doers,even had no hint or clue what you had affirmed!
How does living your one life in the best way you can, encourage others to
be 'wicked'?
> You live a wasted life!
Atheists don't waste their lives talking to invisible, impossible,
unprovable beings with their eyes closed, on their knees.
Only demented theists do that.
> ---------------------------------------
>
>>> What happen to all the sins we have committed?
>>
>> "Sin" is a religious concept. It does not apply to atheists. We
>> abide by the secular law, and to the best of our ability, try to be
>> decent to other people and other life forms.
>
> Me: Sin meant doing immoral deeds,
Immoral according to who's standards?
> telling
> lies,
Then you sin repeatedly.
> idolaters,murders,etc..It applies to all.
Again, according to who's standards?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>>
>>> What about those in
>>> power who did atrocities to humanity, like PolPot of Cambodia and
>>> Mao of China?
>>
>> What about them? There is no supernatural justice meted out in the
>> afterlife, Frankie. Suck it up and deal.
>
> Me: Touch your heart when you wrote that.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
Why?
Yet you cannot prove that.
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>> There is
>>> loneliness, hollowness and unsettling troubles in our hearts and
>>> souls.
>>
>> Well, obviously, there are such feelings in *you*. Can't say that I
>> experience anything similar. I am quite enjoying my life.
>
> Me:As a kid,demons kept coming to me after night falls,and grab
> me,something like chains.It goes on for 3 long years.One of twice
> encounter at least they could say I am hallucinating,but for 3 years!
> After I called on the name of the Lord Jesus then I am freed.
So you swapped one set of hallucinations for another set of hallucinations.
Big deal!
Please seek professional help from a psychiatist.
>
> Trust me,the Bible says the god of this world blinded your eyes,held
> you bondage,I know it to be true.
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
You're using the bible to prove the bible. That's the fallacy of circular
reasoning.
By the same method, I can prove the Harry Potter stories, or any other book
of fiction, to be true.
>
>>> There is no peace. Have we experience the joy- unspeakable?
>>
>> <Eye roll> Well, have you ever tried pot?
>
> **Never.I experience Christ's love and His unspeakable joys in
> me,occasionally.
> -------------------------------------------------------
>>
Your 'warm fuzzies' mean nothing to us.
>>> There is one unshakable proof, not by mere written letter, or
>>> thesis, or explanations or on one lab; which is repeatable,
>>> testable, empirical, observable which I can show you. It is an
>>> experiment. Wherever you are:
>>
>>> You can open your mouth and call, or they say, pray. Is it not
>>> reasonable for one to call the other line, by phone to see whether
>>> He is there or real? But you speak to the�air�, just call out His
>>> name and you will get your answers.
>>
>> No, dear. That would be talking to ones' self. Anyone who would do
>> what you suggest is a believer already, and expects results. It's a
>> well-studied psychological phenomenon.
>
> ***I gave a fair and most reasonable form of experiments.A solid
> proof,easily tested.Here you are,touching on silly explanations.You
> are not skeptics to begin with.Do it and you see the results,otherwise
> tell me,it isn't a fair experiments?
Ah! The 'believing is seeing' nonsense.
I want *you* to try an experiment.
See if you can believe in leprechauns for 5 minutes without bursting out
laughing?
To us, your god(s) are no different to leprechauns, fairies, elves or any
other magical mythical beings.
>
> Jesus is alive,and millions can testify on Him.
Now the fallacy from numbers.
There are twice as many people on this planet that DON'T believe in your
god-on-a-stick than those that do.
Or, put another way, a trillion maggots eat shit. That many can't be wrong,
so we should all eat shit?
> Can that be trivial?All
> science experiments begin with 'assumptions",but they experiment.
>
> What then is testable,if you don;t test?What then verifiable,if you
> don;t verified Him?What then is repeatable?You sure lack common
> sense,nor are you anything near to be an Intelligent person.
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
Again, the 'believing is seeing' nonsense.
>
>> Rationalists don't believe that talking to ourselves (even if we
>> address our comments to "God"), and therefore won't get the same
>> experience.
>>
>> And just so you know: I grew up a fundamentalist born-again
>> christian, and it was doing the very thing you suggest that
>> eventually led me to rationalism. "God" never answered. And I'm not
>> the only
>> one on this newsgroup for whom the experiment failed.
>
> Me: Fundamentalist believe in letters,dead religion.Here I am showing
> is a live experiments.Who can argue on that?I know it won't fail,for I
> have never seen it to have failed,in all of my life!!!!!!!!!!
Again, the 'believing is seeing' nonsense.
>
> You will thank me if you do as I say,experiment!You must be thankful
> to have read my messages,for many are deprived of the manifold wisdom
> of words such as mine.Do it.
Again, the 'believing is seeing' nonsense.
> God loves you.
>
Your evidence that such a being exists is, What?
> In my natural carnal flesh,I would prefer to leave you to die and
> rot,rather than show you great things,for you are a crook and nut
> according to my definition and analysis.
But we all can see that your definitions and analysis are completely wrong.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>>> Pseudo-folks not allowed, just like those who don�t want to know
>>> truths, how to find truths?
>>
>> I'm not much interested in "truths." "Truths" are whatever the guy
>> currently speaking says they are. You've got your version of
>> "Truths." The muslims, like Firnando who invades our newsgroup all
>> the time, have *their* version of "Truths." The scientologists have a
>> completely different version of "Truths."
>
> Me: You have no idea what you are saying.Everyone can claim
> anything,but truths is only one,and it is definite.
Exactly how you claim theis god character of yours, but you have yet to show
any evidence that it exists.
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
>> Nah, you can keep "Truths." Give me *facts*.
>>
>>> Humble folks are allowed to pray.(Words
>>> must come out with sound otherwise it is to no avail)
>>
>> So your god-thingy doesn't respond to silent prayer? That's funny;
>> the christian fundamentalist church where I grew up preached that god
>> answered silent, unspoken prayers just as often as spoken prayers. I
>> wish you christers would get your stories straight.
>
> ***God shouldn't answer silent prayers.
So *you* say. First you have to show evidence that this god thingy of yours
exists.
> Here you are talking to a live
> person,not some mysterious person.God deals with you as a normal
> rational being,but you think being in silent prayer works?The
> scriptures never show any silent prayer.See how you are deceived by
> silly denomination then.No wonder,your experiment fail.
And we should believe your 'holy' book more than theirs, or the Quran, or
the Vedas?
Why?
>
> Do as I say,exactly.Ridicule me as much as you want,if you fail the
> experiments that I propose.
Laughed so much that hurt myself. Believe in a god...Bwhahahaha.
> God honors my words,and allow such proofs
> for a time being.
Again you assert this being exists without any evidence.
"That which is asserted without evidence can be rejected without evidence"
C. Hitchens
> Don't think that my offer is forever.
So now *you're* god?
Isn't that the supposed 'sin of pride'?
Or is it blasphemy?
I never could figure out those stupid religious supposed sins.
Frankie Lee
> Frankie Lee wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 9:02 am, SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Nov 5, 9:11 am, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> There was a guy, who put his thesis in the net, wrote scientifically
> >>> showing God’s existence as irrefutable. Some believe, some don’t.
> >>> Despite his theory was irrefutable, but who cares then? His works
> >>> were ignored. He sank to oblivion.
>
> >>> God said to man,” Let us reason together”. Bible.
>
> >>> There are hundreds of thousands of volumes written by man, ink and
> >>> paper, and now in Internet; apart from the Bible, showing evidence
> >>> that God is real and Jesus is the Savior for mankind.
>
> >> And they are...what, exactly? Please list them here, and include a
> >> brief precis of the argument/evidence that each provides, proving
> >> that God is real.
>
> > Me: I told you there are hundreds of thousands,too voluminous.
> Give us just two or three examples of objective evidence then.
> Bet you can't.
***I have given more than two objective evidence.You are so
blind,that's not my fault.
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> Don't
> > you think it would takes a lifetime of yours?My messages above
> > contains enough guidance for you to find,where and how.Just go to a
> > bookstore,under Christian sections,or libraries.
> > -----------------------
>
> Why should I do your work for you?
> If you want us to believe, you'll have to show us the evidence.
***I have shown you evidence.Do you have problems with my set up?Do
you know what is it to mean to have evidence?One must be able to
prove.I have provided it.
EVERYONE HAS NO OBJECTIONS TO MY PROPOSE EXPERIMENTATIONS OR REBUT ITS
SET UP AS ERRONEOUS OR WRONG,IN SOFAR.
What tyoe of evidence or proves you want?You have shown to be an
idiot,unable even to articulate what type of proves you want,so how
can one show you?
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> >>> There are so many demons in our world, roaming all across our earth,
> >>> and have you encountered one? (This afternoon I just saw one
> >>> possessed by Demons.)
>
> >> Demons are creatures of mythology. There are no demons. What you saw
> >> was a person suffering from mental illness.
>
> > Me: Wow!You projected on my behalf base on your knowledge of mental
> > illness folks,describing for me on what I saw!Don't you think,you can
> > hold neutral grounds,or disbelieve my words,or believe my words,but
> > projected for me base on your assumptions,isn't that lame?
>
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> How can we be neutral about demons? Either they exist or don't exist.
> As you've not provided any objective evidence that they do exist, we can
> only assume that they don't.
> Your say-so isn't good enough reason to change my mind.
>
> >>> There are more Angels here on earth then one could count, have you
> >>> seen one?
>
> >> Well, I frequently think my blue-eyed white cat is an angel, as she
> >> nurses me when I'm sick in a most tender and solicitous manner; but
> >> somehow I don't think that's what you're talking about.
>
> > Me: Just say "I don't know",it suffice,rather than merry go round.
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >> You're talking about mythological beings created to serve your god.
>
> >> Sorry, Frankie, they don't exist any more than demons do.
>
> > Me: You are again being frank,for describing your lack of experience
> > with demons.
>
> Yep, and with angels.
> But again, as you've presented no objective evidence for the existence these
> supposed beings, we can only assume that they don't.
>
>
>
>
>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >> Guess what? Vampires don't exist, either. Or elves. Or fairies. Or
> >> trolls (outside of Usenet, anyway), or unicorns, or the Tooth Fairy.
>
> >>> Death, sicknesses and diseases are part and parcel of our human
> >>> existence. Sufferings of humanity knew no bounds, and can anyone
> >>> deny its existence?
>
> >> Suffering is a normal part of physical life. I think you should read
> >> what The Buddha had to say about suffering.
>
> > ***I reject the notions that suffering is anything,but normal.There is
> > a yearnings in all of us to reject that but there is a real urge in us
> > to get help,and be well,and live happily ever after.
>
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> On Nov 7, 8:35 am, "Smiler" <Smi...@joe.king.com> wrote:
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> > Frankie Lee wrote:
> > > On Nov 6, 9:02 am, SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
> > >> On Nov 5, 9:11 am, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> There was a guy, who put his thesis in the net, wrote scientifically
> > >>> showing God’s existence as irrefutable. Some believe, some don’t.
> > >>> Despite his theory was irrefutable, but who cares then? His works
> > >>> were ignored. He sank to oblivion.
>
> > >>> God said to man,” Let us reason together”. Bible.
>
> > >>> There are hundreds of thousands of volumes written by man, ink and
> > >>> paper, and now in Internet; apart from the Bible, showing evidence
> > >>> that God is real and Jesus is the Savior for mankind.
>
> > >> And they are...what, exactly? Please list them here, and include a
> > >> brief precis of the argument/evidence that each provides, proving
> > >> that God is real.
>
> > > Me: I told you there are hundreds of thousands,too voluminous.
> > Give us just two or three examples of objective evidence then.
> > Bet you can't.
>
> ***I have given more than two objective evidence.You are so
> blind,that's not my fault.
No, you have not, liar.
Smiler
> On Nov 7, 8:35 am, "Smiler" <Smi...@joe.king.com> wrote:
>> Frankie Lee wrote:
>>> On Nov 6, 9:02 am, SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 5, 9:11 am, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> There was a guy, who put his thesis in the net, wrote
>>>>> believe, some don�ｿｽt. Despite his theory was irrefutable, but who
>>>>> cares then? His works were ignored. He sank to oblivion.
>>
>>
>>>>> There are hundreds of thousands of volumes written by man, ink and
>>>>> paper, and now in Internet; apart from the Bible, showing evidence
>>>>> that God is real and Jesus is the Savior for mankind.
>>
>>>> And they are...what, exactly? Please list them here, and include a
>>>> brief precis of the argument/evidence that each provides, proving
>>>> that God is real.
>>
>>> Me: I told you there are hundreds of thousands,too voluminous.
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Give us just two or three examples of objective evidence then.
>> Bet you can't.
>
> ***I have given more than two objective evidence.You are so
> blind,that's not my fault.
Another lie from you, Frankie.
When are you going to stop lying and present the evidence.
Your beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are not evidence.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>> Don't
>>> you think it would takes a lifetime of yours?My messages above
>>> contains enough guidance for you to find,where and how.Just go to a
>>> bookstore,under Christian sections,or libraries.
>>> -----------------------
>>
>> Why should I do your work for you?
>> If you want us to believe, you'll have to show us the evidence.
>
> ***I have shown you evidence.Do you have problems with my set up?Do
> you know what is it to mean to have evidence?One must be able to
> prove.I have provided it.
>
> EVERYONE HAS NO OBJECTIONS TO MY PROPOSE EXPERIMENTATIONS OR REBUT ITS
> SET UP AS ERRONEOUS OR WRONG,IN SOFAR.
I have an objection, so that makes your statement a lie.
>
> What tyoe of evidence or proves you want?
Objective, verifiable, testable evidence.
Something that'll stand up in a court of law or a science laboratory.
Your beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are not evidence.
> You have shown to be an
> idiot,unable even to articulate what type of proves you want,so how
> can one show you?
>
Yes, we have shown you to be an idiot who doesn't understand the meaning of
the word 'evidence'.
>
>>>>> There are so many demons in our world, roaming all across our
>>>>> earth, and have you encountered one? (This afternoon I just saw
>>>>> one possessed by Demons.)
>>
>>>> Demons are creatures of mythology. There are no demons. What you
>>>> saw was a person suffering from mental illness.
>>
>>> Me: Wow!You projected on my behalf base on your knowledge of mental
>>> illness folks,describing for me on what I saw!Don't you think,you
>>> can hold neutral grounds,or disbelieve my words,or believe my
>>> words,but projected for me base on your assumptions,isn't that lame?
>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------�ｿｽ--------------------
>>
>> How can we be neutral about demons? Either they exist or don't exist.
>> As you've not provided any objective evidence that they do exist, we
>> can only assume that they don't.
>> Your say-so isn't good enough reason to change my mind.
>>
Well Frankie? Have you no answer?
>
>>>>> There are more Angels here on earth then one could count, have you
>>>>> seen one?
>>
>>>> Well, I frequently think my blue-eyed white cat is an angel, as she
>>>> nurses me when I'm sick in a most tender and solicitous manner; but
>>>> somehow I don't think that's what you're talking about.
>>
>>> Me: Just say "I don't know",it suffice,rather than merry go round.
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------�ｿｽ----
>>
>>>> You're talking about mythological beings created to serve your god.
>>
>>>> Sorry, Frankie, they don't exist any more than demons do.
>>
>>> Me: You are again being frank,for describing your lack of experience
>>> with demons.
>>
>> Yep, and with angels.
>> But again, as you've presented no objective evidence for the
>> existence these supposed beings, we can only assume that they don't.
>>
Well Frankie? Have you no answer?
>>
>>>> Guess what? Vampires don't exist, either. Or elves. Or fairies. Or
>>>> trolls (outside of Usenet, anyway), or unicorns, or the Tooth
>>>> Fairy.
>>
>>>>> Death, sicknesses and diseases are part and parcel of our human
>>>>> existence. Sufferings of humanity knew no bounds, and can anyone
>>>>> deny its existence?
>>
>>>> Suffering is a normal part of physical life. I think you should
>>>> read what The Buddha had to say about suffering.
>>
>>> ***I reject the notions that suffering is anything,but normal.There
>>> is a yearnings in all of us to reject that but there is a real urge
>>> in us to get help,and be well,and live happily ever after.
>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------�ｿｽ---------------------
>>
>>>>> Evils and deceits are rampant, in business, politics and
>>>>> religions.
>>
>>>> I've noticed that. I find christianity to be especially evil,
>>
>>> ***Christianity,whose commandments was sum up in these two phrase:
>>> Love God and Love your neighbors.
>>
>> It's a pity, then, that the followers of that faith don't follow
>> those commandments.
>> You are a prime example of one who doesn't follow those commandments
>> by lying to your 'neighbours'.
Well Frankie? Have you no answer?
>>
>>> Obviously you nailed yourself to a corner,rantings to get attention
>>> of your bad observations.
>>
>> Obviously you have no objective evidence for the things you believe.
>>
Well Frankie? Have you no answer?
>>
>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>> followed closely by islam and scientology.
>>
>>>>> Truths are rare commodity.
>>
>>>> *Facts*, on the other hand, are *not* rare.
>>
>>> Me***Agreed.
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>>> A simple case studies:
>>
>>>>> There was a Singapore couple who cross over to Malaysia. Robbers
>>>>> kidnapped his wife, and demands ransom. Later on, she was found to
>>>>> be raped, and murdered. The husband went berserk, and suffered
>>>>> great loss. The robbers were never caught.
>>
>>>>> Will the Robbers be ever identified, in the next life, or
>>>>> everything gone to oblivion?
>>
>>>> Everything goes to oblivion, Frankie. There is no supernatural
>>>> justice in an afterlife. That's why it matters so much that we
>>>> strive for justice *here*.
>>
>>> Me: So,those robbers get to enjoy the ransom money,live comfortably
>>> and happily ever after,and upon death,their sins are erase.That poor
>>> chap,lost monies,suffered the trauma that his wife was raped and
>>> tortured to death,and for the rest of his life,lived in misery.
>>
>> Only if they don't get caught and punished in THIS LIFE, the only
>> one we have.
>>
Well Frankie? Have you no answer?
>>
>>>>> What about our secret deeds, which never came to light? The wrongs
>>>>> we did to others, or others done to us?
>>
>>>> What about them?
>>
>>>> My parents taught me that the true measure of human character is
>>>> what a person will do when s/he knows s/he will never be caught. I
>>>> try to live my life to that standard, and it doesn't much bother
>>>> me that other people will get away with bad deeds.
>>
>>> Me: It doesn't bother you?In your own words,you encouraged wicked
>>> doers,even had no hint or clue what you had affirmed!
>>
>> How does living your one life in the best way you can, encourage
>> others to be 'wicked'?
>>
>>> You live a wasted life!
>>
>> Atheists don't waste their lives talking to invisible, impossible,
>> unprovable beings with their eyes closed, on their knees.
>> Only demented theists do that.
>>
Well Frankie? Have you no answer?
>>
>>>>> What happen to all the sins we have committed?
>>
>>>> "Sin" is a religious concept. It does not apply to atheists. We
>>>> abide by the secular law, and to the best of our ability, try to be
>>>> decent to other people and other life forms.
>>
>>> Me: Sin meant doing immoral deeds,
>>
>> Immoral according to who's standards?
>>
Well Frankie? Have you no answer?
>>> telling
>>> lies,
>>
>> Then you sin repeatedly.
>>
Well Frankie? Have you no answer?
>>> idolaters,murders,etc..It applies to all.
>>
>> Again, according to who's standards?
>>
Well Frankie? Have you no answer?
>>
>>>>> What about those in
>>>>> power who did atrocities to humanity, like PolPot of Cambodia and
>>>>> Mao of China?
>>
>>>> What about them? There is no supernatural justice meted out in the
>>>> afterlife, Frankie. Suck it up and deal.
>>
>>> Me: Touch your heart when you wrote that.
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------�ｿｽ--
>>
>> Why?
>>
Well Frankie? Have you no answer?
Well Frankie? Have you no answer?
>>>>> There is
>>>>> loneliness, hollowness and unsettling troubles in our hearts and
>>>>> souls.
>>
>>>> Well, obviously, there are such feelings in *you*. Can't say that I
>>>> experience anything similar. I am quite enjoying my life.
>>
>>> Me:As a kid,demons kept coming to me after night falls,and grab
>>> me,something like chains.It goes on for 3 long years.One of twice
>>> encounter at least they could say I am hallucinating,but for 3
>>> years! After I called on the name of the Lord Jesus then I am freed.
>>
>> So you swapped one set of hallucinations for another set of
>> hallucinations. Big deal!
>> Please seek professional help from a psychiatist.
>>
Well Frankie? Have you no answer?
<replace snippage>
>>> Me: It is a prelude to a greater degree of sufferings,coming soon.
>>Yet you cannot prove that.
<end>
Well Frankie? Have you no answer?
>>
>>> Trust me,the Bible says the god of this world blinded your eyes,held
>>> you bondage,I know it to be true.
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> You're using the bible to prove the bible. That's the fallacy of ...
>>
<replace snippage>
>> circular reasoning.
>> By the same method, I can prove the Harry Potter stories, or any other
>> book
>> of fiction, to be true.
<end>
Well Frankie? Have you no answer?
<replace snippage>
>>> ***I gave a fair and most reasonable form of experiments.A solid
>>> proof,easily tested.Here you are,touching on silly explanations.You
>>> are not skeptics to begin with.Do it and you see the results,otherwise
>>> tell me,it isn't a fair experiments?
>> Ah! The 'believing is seeing' nonsense.
>> I want *you* to try an experiment.
>> See if you can believe in leprechauns for 5 minutes without bursting out
>> laughing?
>> To us, your god(s) are no different to leprechauns, fairies, elves or any
>> other magical mythical beings.
<end>
Well Frankie? Did you manage to believe in leprechauns? Without laughing?
Do please tell us.
<replace snippage>
>>> Jesus is alive,and millions can testify on Him.
>> Now the fallacy from numbers.
>> There are twice as many people on this planet that DON'T believe in your
>> god-on-a-stick than those that do.
>> Or, put another way, a trillion maggots eat shit. That many can't be
>> wrong,
>> so we should all eat shit?
<end>
SkyEyes
> Frankie Lee wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 9:02 am, SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
<Snip Smiler's excellent response to Frankie-stein's post>
Thanks, Smiler. I had planned on having to respond to our Lil Frien',
but you saved me the trouble. :) First-rate job!
Brenda
Smiler
You're welcome.
I'd say that he was more of a 'Frankenstien's Monster' than the Doctor
himself.
It's the 3/4" bolt through his neck that gives me a clue :-)
Jesus Christ , St. Mary 's cunt ' s faithful Fucker , is the Unique son of God
when you want me ,
just call out my name ,
n Nov 5, 8:11 am, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> There was a guy, who put his thesis in the net, wrote scientifically
> showing God’s existence as irrefutable. Some believe, some don’t.
> Despite his theory was irrefutable, but who cares then? His works were
> ignored. He sank to oblivion.
>
> God said to man,” Let us reason together”. Bible.
>
> There are hundreds of thousands of volumes written by man, ink and
> paper, and now in Internet; apart from the Bible, showing evidence
> that God is real and Jesus is the Savior for mankind.
>
> There are so many demons in our world, roaming all across our earth,
> and have you encountered one? (This afternoon I just saw one possessed
> by Demons.)
> There are more Angels here on earth then one could count, have you
> seen one?
>
> Death, sicknesses and diseases are part and parcel of our human
> existence. Sufferings of humanity knew no bounds, and can anyone deny
> its existence?
>
> Evils and deceits are rampant, in business, politics and religions.
> Truths are rare commodity.
>
> A simple case studies:
>
> There was a Singapore couple who cross over to Malaysia. Robbers
> kidnapped his wife, and demands ransom. Later on, she was found to be
> raped, and murdered. The husband went berserk, and suffered great
> loss. The robbers were never caught.
>
> Will the Robbers be ever identified, in the next life, or everything
> gone to oblivion?
>
> What about our secret deeds, which never came to light? The wrongs we
> did to others, or others done to us?
>
> What happen to all the sins we have committed? What about those in
> power who did atrocities to humanity, like PolPot of Cambodia and Mao
> of China?
>
> Will death erase all our sins, a release or a prison camp for most
> sinners? What do you think if all we had is in this life only? What do
> you think of human nature?
>
> Do we lie to one another? Even our best friends would deceive us, so
> what do you think of those distance from us?
>
> There are few realities coming for us. We are approaching to be sick,
> old and diseased. We experience pain and agony and helplessness in
> this life over many overwhelming power we cannot control. There is
> loneliness, hollowness and unsettling troubles in our hearts and
> souls. There is no peace. Have we experience the joy- unspeakable?
>
> There is one unshakable proof, not by mere written letter, or thesis,
> or explanations or on one lab; which is repeatable, testable,
> empirical, observable which I can show you. It is an experiment.
> Wherever you are:
>
> You can open your mouth and call, or they say, pray. Is it not
> reasonable for one to call the other line, by phone to see whether He
> is there or real? But you speak to the”air”, just call out His name
> and you will get your answers.
>
> Pseudo-folks not allowed, just like those who don’t want to know
> truths, how to find truths? Humble folks are allowed to pray.(Words
> must come out with sound otherwise it is to no avail)
>
Frankie Lee
Another lie from you, Frankie.
When are you going to stop lying and present the evidence.
Your beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are not evidence.
***
Frankie: Tell me then,say when a person is in court,how was "evidence
presented?What do you know as"evidence"?
What is evidence?
My beliefs,opinion and "holy book"the Bible is not evidence,then what
is?Tell me then according to your FANTASIES,what is evidence?
You have no idea what you are talking about,do you?
Smiler
> On Nov 8, 11:30 am, "Smiler" <Smi...@joe.king.com> wrote:
>> Frankie Lee wrote:
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Another lie from you, Frankie.
> When are you going to stop lying and present the evidence.
> Your beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are not evidence.
> ***
> Frankie: Tell me then,say when a person is in court,how was "evidence
> presented?What do you know as"evidence"?
> What is evidence?
See below.
>
> My beliefs,opinion and "holy book"the Bible is not evidence,then what
> is?Tell me then according to your FANTASIES,what is evidence?
>
> You have no idea what you are talking about,do you?
You have no idea what evidence is, do you?
"Scientific evidence is evidence which serves to either support or counter a
scientific theory or hypothesis . Such evidence is expected to be empirical
and properly documented in accordance with scientific method such as is
applicable to the particular field of inquiry."
Your beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are not empirical and, therefore,
are not evidence.