A question about the text of the New Testament
Eric S. Harris
might be able to answer it.
Are there any words in the New Testament which are direct quotes of the
Holy Spirit?
We see God saying lots of stuff in the Old Testament, like "Let there be
light". We see Jesus saying a bunch of stuff in the Gospels, like "Let
he who is without sin cast the first stone". But I don't recall
anything the Holy Spirit said.
So, are there any words in the New Testament which are directly
attributed to the Holy Spirit? -Eric
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Aaron
>A question occurred to me a while back, and some of the Christians here
>might be able to answer it.
>
>Are there any words in the New Testament which are direct quotes of the
>Holy Spirit?
>
>We see God saying lots of stuff in the Old Testament, like "Let there be
>light". We see Jesus saying a bunch of stuff in the Gospels, like "Let
>he who is without sin cast the first stone". But I don't recall
>anything the Holy Spirit said.
>
>So, are there any words in the New Testament which are directly
>attributed to the Holy Spirit? -Eric
>
The bible talks at length about the holy spirit, holy ghost.
But direct quotes, as you have challenged anyone to produce,
AFAIK are not to be found. It seems that the holy spirit is
a spiritual guide or teacher which lights upon, inspires and
works through receptive students of the holy spirit. And
the holy spirit has lots of other divine capabilities, like,
pardon my french, "knocking up" the virgin Mary for example.
But that's not surprising, since the spirit of God is fully
one third of God. So if the spirit of God is the third part
of God, then the holy spirit must be one third of the whole
Universe. I would ask what can't the holy spirit do, apart
from not being able to speak of himself? Seems that the holy
spirit can do just about everything else.
These two verses are clear that the holy spirit does speak,
testify, and reveal profound things to those who will watch
and listen, such as moved John to write these very words:
John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send
unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he
will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of
himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak:
and he will shew you things to come.
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Aaron
Eric S. Harris
> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009, "Eric S. Harris" <eric_ha...@wahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>A question occurred to me a while back, and some of the Christians here
>>might be able to answer it.
>>
>>Are there any words in the New Testament which are direct quotes of the
>>Holy Spirit?
>>
>>We see God saying lots of stuff in the Old Testament, like "Let there be
>>light". We see Jesus saying a bunch of stuff in the Gospels, like "Let
>>he who is without sin cast the first stone". But I don't recall
>>anything the Holy Spirit said.
>>
>>So, are there any words in the New Testament which are directly
>>attributed to the Holy Spirit? -Eric
>>
>
>
> The bible talks at length about the holy spirit, holy ghost.
> But direct quotes, as you have challenged anyone to produce,
> AFAIK are not to be found.
Thanks. That confirms my hunch.
BTW, it wasn't a "challenge" in the sense I think you took it to be.
More of an invitation to help, for anyone willing and able. Asking a
favor. Providing an opportunity to demonstrate knowledge. Like a YASID
request in rec.arts.sf.written: anybody know the name of this story?
I'm not especially hostile to religion or to believers, as such. Only
when someone -- out of a love of God/Allah/Whoever or Manchester United
or the products of the Ford Motor Company or the Holy Writ of Marx and
Engles or the writings of J. K. Galbraith (or J. K. Rowling) -- decides
to do something dishonest or violent do I object to them.
Oh, I also object to stupid arguments in newsgroups, arguments which
either are dishonestly made to fool people or sincerely made by people
who have been fooled (perhaps by themselves).
Now that I think of it, I spend far too much time and effort on that
latter group, and far too little time and effort on groups like the ones
listed in the previous bunch.
The worst sorts of religious types are not much of a problem near where
I live, but the loons and liars and crooks who attempt to influence
government policy (or make it) are an ongoing threat to me and those I
care about, and a continual drain on our well-being. -Eric
Chow
Hard to imagine what brought all that hostility on in a
thread about the true spirit of God, but our entire family
enjoyed the Harry Potter series of films, and many people seem
to enjoy reading Rowling's books. Rowling is brilliant, imho.
I am curious to know what she might have done that you
consider to be "dishonest" or "violent?"
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Eric S. Harris
Nothing. Or more to the point of what I actually wrote, her fans have
done nothing that I consider dishonest or violent. Neither have fans of
Manchester United, or the Ford Motor Company, or the rest of that list.
Well, most of them. Those who find a lot of validity and virtue in the
notions espoused by Marx, Engels and to a lesser extent Galbraith are
troubling, as they frequently get their notions supported by government
policy, using of necessity dishonesty and credible threats of violence.
Ditto for those who would bail out a failed car company with other
people's money.
Speaking of Marx and Engels ... I noted with pleasure the 20th
anniversary of the end of the Berlin Wall this past week. Nobody gets
shot for trying to leave East Germany any more, which I see as a plus.
As it happens, I'm a Harry Potter fan, too. So it pleased me to learn
that Stephen King marvels at her ability to give the necessary
back-story for new readers without distracting those who have read some
or all of the previous books.
But the coincidence of initials for her and John Kenneth Galbraith was
too good to pass up. At the time I wondered if anyone might be
distressed after reading too hastily or by assuming too much, but
decided if it happened, any distress would be minor and self-inflicted,
and easily ended.
Actually, the thread was about the text of the New Testament, not its
meaning.
The hostility was in response to the dishonesty and violence of those
who put their own material or emotional well-being ahead of basic human
decency, and the people who vote to get them in office or lobby to get
them to commit dishonest and violent acts. (An immoral act does not
become a moral one, just because it was done during working hours by
someone drawing a government paycheck.)
Dissuading those people seems like a much better use of my time than
dealing with religious matters that are quite important to some people
-- both atheists and believers -- but not all that important to me. -Eric
Chow
IOW, you're trolling and morphing. Don't bother to reply or morph.
"NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.246.128.102" has been added to my killfile.
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Chow
Eric S. Harris
The killfile-ing is probably for the best. Chow was having trouble
reading what I wrote, anyway.
The point I was trying to make -- well, one of them -- was about those
who have too great a regard for Caesar's modern counterpart and
attribute benevolence and near-omnipotence to what is just a collection
of politicians and bureaucrats.
As for the "morphing" ... no interest in that. -Eric