THE WORK OF GOD???
Bill
and resources in so many religions and fictitious gods. All religious
beliefs are based on pure 'FAITH', not on ANY TANGIBLE OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
'SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE'.
What distinguishes theology from mythology and astrology? All three are
founded on myth, folklore and legends. NONE are based on scientific
knowledge and objective, verifiable, reproducible evidence.
Major sacred texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English interpretations
alone.
NO originals of the old or new testaments exist. They are all copies of
copies etc.
by errant and self interested men of unknown veracity.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome over the centuries
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
The Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
This is just the MAJOR religious beliefs. There are thousands of variations
on these and other religious beliefs!
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? None of these documents are objective evidence.
They are all documents written, copied, modified and further copied, over
the centuries, by errant men with their own self interest and motivations.
There is no way to determine authenticity or accuracy. They contain
impossible stories and contradictions. The objective evidence is that they
are a mixture of history, hearsay, myth, folklore and legends.
The religious faiths are not founded on faith in God but faith in MEN.
Religious documents were written, interpreted, hand copied, modified and
recopied by hundreds of MEN over thousands of years by other MEN. Inspired
by God? So MEN say. Which books are Scripture? The ones chosen by MEN. What
do they mean? What MEN say they mean. Dictated by God? Just the OPINIONS of
MEN. What is God telling you? Whatever MEN (ordinary selfish. self
promoting, errant humans) CLAIM he is telling you. These religious texts are
nothing but folklore, myth, contradictory and impossible stories created by
MEN. There is not one shred of objective verifiable evidence that ANY of
these ancient documents are the word of ANY God. They are pure myths and
fables.
Why does any all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Wars,
Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body malfunctions and
starvation? There are 12,000 known ailments and diseases that torture and
kill man. Why would this omnificent loving, all powerful god create all
these diseases to torture and kill his followers with??? These catastrophes
affect people of ALL religious beliefs including TOTALLY INNOCENT CHILDREN!
Just one example of ridiculous ailments is a parasitic worm in West Africa
that bores through the eyes of INNOCENT CHILDREN and causes total blindness
for the rest of their lives. Is the work of a caring and loving god
creator???
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally innocent children
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why does he permit 2,000,000 totally innocent children to
suffer and die of starvation each year? Why are his human (and animal)
creations designed to deteriorate into a miserable and devastating old age?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, poisonous snakes, stinging
and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring benevolent
god create animals (including man) that need to kill and eat other animals
to survive?
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him a God?
Why does this all powerful, all loving god not permit those in his heaven to
communicate the wonders of his heaven to their living children, relatives
and friends? Why all the secrecy and confusion? Unproven claims by the
mentally deranged and persons with selfish motives are not objective
verifiable evidence - they are just unsubstantiated nonsensical and selfish
claims.
It appears that faith is based on an uncontrollable pervasive fear of death
and what comes after. It is based on an unwillingness to accept the
evidential fact that there is no 'hereafter' or glorious after life in some
imaginary 'heaven'. It is emotionally difficult, and for some impossible, to
accept the finality of death. We are forced to make a decision
as to whether to live in a dream world or in the real world.
The REAL objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the
opposite; MAN created gods!
Rev Horny Cocksucker
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Bill,
I see you are misguided and are heading for damnation. Read the bible and
LEARN from it else you will not get eternal life.
If you need spiritual guidance or bible interpretation please do not
hesitate to contact me.
Regards
Josh
unsupported beliefs at a single blow. I am saving your writing for future
reference - and quotation if I may.
I particularly admired this paragraph:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him a God?
Excellent questioning.
And while I am at it, Hello Rev Horny Cocksucker. That's a very colourful
name! I like it. But as you are telling Bill to consult you what the Bible
says, let me get the ball rolling and just ask you: what does the Bible
say about sucking cock? Does it clearly say, for example, that men should
not suck each other's cocks? Never mind that vague bit about lying
together: this they can do standing up or kneeling.
Bill: forgive me for this forthright question! But will it elicit a clear
and specific answer? You bet it won't!
But then, Rev Cock Sucker, I think that secretly you are just being a tease
and actually you are just as enlightened as Bill and myself. If you're not,
it's about time you were. It's much more fun.
Regards
Josh
V
"It appears that faith is based on an uncontrollable pervasive fear of
death
and what comes after. It is based on an unwillingness to accept the
evidential fact that there is no 'hereafter' or glorious after life in
some
imaginary 'heaven'. It is emotionally difficult, and for some
impossible, to
accept the finality of death. We are forced to make a decision "
Con man Charles Ponzi, the originator of the Ponzi or pyramid scheme (a
scheme that offered unrealistic returns on their money) once said he
was able to swindle people out of their money by the fact "When a man's
mind is concentrated he is blind."
Thanks,
V (Male)
For free access to my earlier posts on voluntary simplicity, compulsive
spending, debting, compulsive overeating and clutter write:
vf...@aol.com. Any opinion expressed here is that of my own and is not
the opinion, recommendation or belief of any group or organization.
Josh
And it's uncanny, isn't it, that the Christian heaven seems exactly to
fulfil the hopes of those who find it difficult to face the finality of
death - what a coincidence...
And one step further: those qualifications needed to get there - good
behaviour and a belief in God - it sounds like a man-made plan to make
people behave themselves... Oh, surely not!!!
Or, more likely, surely so. No wonder the Roman emperors got in on the act.
I sometimes wonder in a conspiracy theory sort of way if leaders (kings,
presidents, etc) are let into a secret by their priests that indeed religion
is a control system and actually has no substance at all...
If you don't see any more mails from me you will know that the secret police
have had me removed for guessing the big secret... But it's too late - you
know now.
regards
Josh
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Bill
"Rev Horny Cocksucker" <ho...@cocksucker.com> wrote in message
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> Bill,
>
> I see you are misguided and are heading for damnation. Read the bible and
> LEARN from it else you will not get eternal life.
>
> If you need spiritual guidance or bible interpretation please do not
> hesitate to contact me.
>
> Regards
Get your head out of your nonsensical Bibles and your mythical gods ass.
The Bibles are a foundation of quicksand. There are NO ORIGINALS in
existence. Why would God not protect the originals? What are available are
copies of copies by unknown men of questionable veracity biased by, and
dependent on, their membership in the clergy. The originals rotted and
disappeared thousands of years ago. The Bibles were hand written and
recopied more than a thousand years before the invention of the printing
press. And of course we not only do not know what was in the originals but
they were also written by errant biased men motivated to impress their
flock.
If Jesus was God, why did he not leave behind his recorded record of his
rules and commands? Why are there NO Biblical documents written during his
time on earth? The Old Testaments were written before his birth. The New
Testaments were written 60 and more years after his death and there is NO
objective verifiable evidence as to their authenticity and veracity.
The Bibles contain both historical and scientific errors. They contain
manifest absurdities, unfulfilled prophesies, immoralities, indecencies,
obscenities, atrocities, barbarities, myths, folklore and legends. They are
nothing more than hearsay, myths, contradictions and implausible tales.
Here is just a small sampling of implausible Bible stories.
The story of creation
A totally illogical Biblical story is the story of creation. It is obviously
pure fiction
Biblically, god created the world about six thousand years ago. Scientific
evidence indicates the Universe, as we now know it, began more than 13
BILLION years ago or more.
In the Bible, the Universe is a firmament and the Earth is a fixed (not to
mention flat) Planet and the Son, Moon and other planets revolve around the
earth. We now KNOW the Earth revolves around the Son and the Universe is
over 20 BILLION light years in diameter and is made up of trillions of Stars
and Planets of which our planetary system is a very miniscule and
unimportant part. There was no concept of a Universe in Biblical times.
Everything beyond our immediate Son and planets was considered Heaven.
In the Bible the earth is created in the first day, before the Son, Moon and
Stars. Objective scientific evidence is that the Earth did not form until
approximately 10 BILLION YEARS after the beginning of the present Universe
and after the formation of the Son, and many other stars.
The Creation of the World
Genesis
In the beginning of creation, when God made heaven and earth, the earth was
without form and void, with darkness over the face of the abyss, and a
mighty wind that swept over the surface of the waters. God said, Let there
be light, and there was light; and God saw that the light was good, and he
separated light from darkness. He called the light day, and the darkness
night. So evening came, and morning came, the first day. God created light
before he created the Sun and the Moon!
Astronomical evidence indicates shows the Son existed long before the Earth;
therefore the earth was not created before the Son. It is equally obvious
that the writers of that time thought the World was the center the firmament
and that they had no conception of the size and nature of the Universe.
Everything beyond the Sun and Moon was considered to be gods Heaven
God said, Let there be a vault between the waters, to separate water from
water. So God made the vault, and separated the water under the vault from
the water above it, and so it was; and God called the vault heaven. Evening
came, and morning came, a second day.
God said; Let the waters under heaven be gathered into one place, so that
dry land may appear; and so it was. God called the dry land earth, and the
gathering of the waters he called seas; and God saw that it was good. Then
God said, Let the earth produce fresh growth, let there be on the earth
plants bearing seed, fruit-trees bearing fruit each with seed according to
its kind. So it was; the earth yielded fresh growth, plants bearing seed
according to their kind and trees bearing fruit each with seed according to
its king; and God saw that it was good. Evening came, and morning came, a
third day.
And this good and loving God created animals that eat other animals (and
man) and poisonous plants and snakes that kill!
God said, Let there be lights in the vault of heaven to separate day from
night, and let them serve as signs both for festivals and for seasons and
years. Let them also shine in the vault of heaven to give light on earth. So
it was; God made the two great lights, the greater to govern the day and the
lesser to govern the night; and with them he made the stars. God put these
lights in the vault of heaven to give light on earth, to govern day and
night, and to separate light from darkness; and God saw that it was good.
Evening came, and morning came, a fourth day.
Ancient man erroneously thought the stars beyond the Sun and Moon to be
Heaven. The Moon was NOT considered a reflection from the light of the Sun
but a lesser light.
God, said, Let the waters teem with countless living creatures, and let
birds fly above the earth across the vault of heaven. God then created the
great sea-monsters and all living creatures that move and swarm in the
waters, according to their kind, and every kind of bird; and God saw that it
was good. So he blessed them and said, be fruitful and increase, fill the
waters of the seas; and let the birds increase on land. Evening came, and
morning came, a fifth day.
And this all loving God created creatures of that kill and eat other
creatures including man.
Archaeological evidence shows that animals evolved from primitive cells over
a period of about four billion years - not in one day!
God said, let the earth bring forth living creatures, according to their
kind: cattle, reptiles, and wild animals, all according to their kind. So it
was; God made wild animals, cattle, and all reptiles, each according to its
kind; and he saw that it was good. Then God said, Let us make man it our
image and likeness to rule the fish in the sea , the birds of heaven, the
cattle, all wild animals on earth, and all reptiles that crawl upon the
earth. So God created man in his own image; in the image of God he created
him; male and female he created them. God blessed them and said to them, be
fruitful and increase, fill the earth and subdue it, rule over the fish in
the sea, the birds of heaven, and every living thing that moves upon the
earth. God also said, I give you all plants that bear seed everywhere on
earth, and every tree bearing fruit which yields seed: they shall be yours
for food. All green plants I give for food to the wild animals, to all the
birds of heaven, and to all reptiles on earth, every living creature. So it
was; and God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. Evening came,
and morning came, a sixth day.
And God created animals that need to kill and eat other animals including
man in order to survive. This is a loving and caring God?
Thus heaven and earth were completed with all their mighty throng. On the
sixth day God completed all the work he had been doing, and on the seventh
day he ceased from all his work. God blessed the seventh day and made it
holy, because on that day he ceased from all the work he had set himself to
do and rested.
Why would a God that is not physical but spiritual, get tired and need rest?
If this creator is such a loving and caring guy, why does he permit totally
innocent children to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a
fully developed brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.?
Why are some born idiots and others with super intelligence?
Why does this loving and caring god create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes,
Volcanic Eruptions, Wars, cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions that effect people indiscriminately regardless of
their conduct or religious beliefs? Why does he permit millions of both
young and old to starve to death?
These afflict humans indiscriminately - young and old, atheists and members
of all religious beliefs.
Why did he design humans to suffer the decrepitude and malignancies of old
age? Even those that devote their lives to religious leadership suffer these
punishments of old age.
Why did this caring benevolent god create animals that need to eat other
animals to survive?
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. The objective evidence is that, if there is a
god creator, he has no concern about the welfare of the creatures on Earth.
Adam and Eve
In the Bible, there are two different accounts of Adam and Eve's creation.
According to the Priestly (P) history of the 5th or 6th century BC (Genesis
1:1-2:4), God on the sixth day of Creation created all the living creatures
and, "in his own image," man both "male and female." God then blessed the
couple, told them to be "fruitful and multiply," and gave them dominion over
all other living things.
According to the lengthier Yahwist (J) narrative of the 10th century BC
(Genesis 2:5-7, 2:15-4:1, 4:25), God, or Yahweh, created Adam at a time when
the earth was still void, forming him from the earth's dust and breathing
"into his nostrils the breath of life." God then gave Adam the primeval
Garden of Eden to tend but, on penalty of death, commanded him not to eat of
the fruit of the "tree of knowledge of good and evil." Subsequently, so that
Adam would not be alone, God created other animals but, finding these
insufficient, put Adam to sleep, took from him a rib, and created a new
companion, Eve. The two were persons of innocence until Eve yielded to the
temptations of the evil serpent and Adam joined her in eating the forbidden
fruit, whereupon they both recognized their nakedness and donned fig leaves
as garments. Immediately, God recognized their transgression and proclaimed
their punishments-for the woman, pain in childbirth and subordination to
man, and, for the man, relegation to an accursed ground with which he must
toil and sweat for his subsistence. Adam died at the age of 930!
In later Christian theology, the concept of original sin (q.v.) took hold-a
sin in which human kind has been held captive since the fall of Adam and
Eve. The doctrine was based on Pauline Scripture but has not been accepted
by a number of Christian sects and interpreters. Why should BILLIONS of
innocent people be punished over thousands of years for this original sin
that they had no part in?
This is both sadistic and ridiculous!
Jonah
As the story is related in the Book of Jonah, the prophet Jonah is called by
God to go to Nineveh (a great Assyrian city) and prophesy disaster because
of the city's wickedness. Jonah, in the story, feels about Nineveh as does
the author of the Book of Nahum-that the city must inevitably be destroyed
because of God's judgment against it. Thus Jonah does not want to prophesy,
because Nineveh might repent and thereby be saved. So he rushes down to
Joppa and takes passage in a ship that will carry him in the opposite
direction, thinking to escape God.
A storm of unprecedented severity strikes the ship, and it shows signs of
breaking up and foundering. Jonah confesses that it is his presence on board
that is causing the storm. At his request, he is thrown overboard, and the
storm subsides.
A "great fish," appointed by God, swallows Jonah, and he stays within the
fish's maw for three days and nights. He prays for deliverance and is
"vomited out" on dry land (ch. 2).
Totally implausible. He would have been digested by the fish in those three
days!
Sodom and Gomorrah
According to the Bible these cities and everyone in them, except Lot and his
family, were destroyed by fire and brimstone for their sinfulness. Lot's
wife was turned into a pillar of salt for disobeying God's command to not
look back at her city of birth being destroyed.
There is no way that EVERYONE in two cities could be so sinful, especially
innocent children, to deserve destruction by fire and brimstone.
Sodom and Gomorrah constituted, along with the cities of Admah, Zeboiim, and
Zoar (Bela), the five biblical "cities of the plain." Destroyed by"brimstone
and fire" because of their wickedness (Genesis 19:24).
Sodom and Gomorrah probably were devastated about 1900 BC by an earthquake
in the Dead Sea area of the Great Rift Valley, an extensive rift extending
from the Jordan River valley in Israel to the Zambezi River system in East
Africa. When the catastrophic destruction occurred, the petroleum and gases
existing in the area probably contributed to the imagery of "brimstone and
fire"
Cruel, inhumane and pure nonsense!
The Tower of Babel
Genesis 11.1 - 11.9
God became concerned that the Tower being built would reach his heaven.
He confounded the builders by giving them different languages so they could
no longer communicate with each other to continue the construction.
Why would this be of any concern to an all powerful God creator and wouldn't
this God creator realize that no tower could possibly reach his spiritual
heaven?
Noah and the Ark
The Bible is claimed to be the inerrant word of God
The story of Noah and the flood is only one of many ridiculous biblical
tales with no authentication or plausibility of any kind. It is an
impossible story.
1. The largest boat ever built to this day could not even come CLOSE to
housing Noah, his sons, wives and two of every type of animal on earth. And
this was a boat built of wood many thousands of years ago. There are 1.7
million KNOWN species of animals on this planet. This story is patently
impossible, using only materials and tools available to Noah, to build an
arch large enough to hold all these creatures, together with suitable
environments for each of them to live in, keeping them all separated so they
don't kill and eat each other. And then provide room and an environment for
many hundreds of millions of known species of insects, plants, molds etc. on
this planet?
2. Where did they house all of the new born during this ten month
escapade?
3. In addition, the ship would have to carry a TEN MONTHS supply of food
and fresh water for the people and thousands of animals for them to survive.
What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate would have gone
extinct. How did they dispose of the thousands of tons of feces? It must
have been one stinking ship!
4. Now according to the Bible the earth was flooded for ten months. This
would kill off all the vegetation. What did the animals eat for an
additional year or more after the flood subsided?
5. Noah sends a dove out to see if there was any dry land. But the dove
returns without finding any. Then, just seven days later, the dove goes out
again and returns with an olive leaf. But how could an olive tree survive
the flood? And if any seeds happened to survive, they certainly wouldn't
germinate and grow leaves within a seven day period. 8:8-11.
6. And according to this myth, Noah was also over 600 years old!
This is a grossly implausible tale that ranks as a greater tale than Santa
Claus, The Wizard of Oz, The Easter Bunny and The Tooth Fairy!
Genesis 6:6
6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was
filled with pain.
7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face
of the earth: men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and
birds of the air-for I am grieved that I have made them."
9 Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he
walked with God.
Genesis 7
1 The LORD then said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and your whole family,
because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven
[a] of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every
kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven of every kind
of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the
earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days
and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living
creature I have made."
6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth. 7
And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to
escape the waters of the flood. 8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of
birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and female,
came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And after
the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth.
This is patently ridiculous and impossible. How could they capture and load
over three million animals in a period of seven days???
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the
second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and
the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth
forty days and forty nights.
13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with
his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark. 14 They had with
them every wild animal according to its kind, all livestock according to
their kinds, every creature that moves along the ground according to its
kind and every bird according to its kind, everything with wings. 15 Pairs
of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and
entered the ark. 16 The animals going in were male and female of every
living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the LORD shut him in.
17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters
increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose and
increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the
water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under
the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the
mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet. [, 21 Every living thing that
moved on the earth perished-birds, livestock, wild animals, all the
creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry
land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing
on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures
that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the
earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.
This of course would have also killed all the vegetation on Earth!
Genesis 7:6 (New International Version)
6 Noah was "six hundred" years old when the floodwaters came on the earth.
7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to
escape the waters of the flood
Genesis 8
1 But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that
were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters
receded.
3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and
fifty days the water had gone down,
4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on
the mountains of Ararat.
5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day
of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible
And what did they eat until all the vegetation recovered from the flood???
Genesis 9 God's Covenant with Noah
1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and
increase in number and fill the earth.
2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and
all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground,
and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands.
3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you
the green plants, I now give you everything.
4 "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.
5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand
an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an
accounting for the life of his fellow man.
Before man learned how to create a fire, he had no choice but to eat raw
meat!
Samson
Hebrew Shimshon, Israelite hero portrayed in an epic narrative in the Old
Testament (Judg. 13-16). He was a Nazirite (q.v.) and a legendary warrior
whose incredible exploits hint at the weight of Philistine pressure on
Israel during much of the early, tribal period of Israel in Canaan
(1200-1000).
Samson was claimed to possess extraordinary physical strength, and the moral
of his saga relates the disastrous loss of his power to the violation of his
Nazirite vow. Credited with remarkable exploits-e.g., the slaying of a lion
and moving the gates of Gaza-he first broke his religious promises by
feasting with a woman from the neighboring town of Timnah, who was also a
Philistine, one of Israel's mortal enemies. Other remarkable deeds follow;
e.g., his decimating the Philistines in a private war. On another occasion
he repulsed their assault on him at Gaza, where he had gone to visit a
harlot. He finally fell victim to his foes through love of Delilah, a woman
of the valley of Sorek, who beguiled him into revealing the secret of his
strength: his long Nazirite hair. As he slept, Delilah had his hair cut and
betrayed him. He was captured, blinded, and enslaved by the Philistines, but
in the end he was granted his revenge; through the return of his old
strength, he supposedly demolished the great Philistine temple of the god
Dagon, at Gaza, destroying his captors and himself (Judg.16:4-30).
A truly implausible tale!
God created a three level Universe - Heaven above, a flat World resting on
water. Genesis 1:6-10; 7:11; 8:2; 11:11-9; 19:24; 28:12-13; Exodus 20:4;
Numbers 16:30-33; Deuteronomy 33:17.
God created the Sun and the Moon on the fourth day but created light on the
first day! Genesis1:1-9; 14-19
It is claimed that the Eve, first woman, was created from one of Adam's
ribs.
Genesis 3:1-5 Men and women have the same number of ribs on each side of
their body? And in any case why would a god that has created the Universe
and everything in it need to tale rib from Adam to create Eve???
The Bibles claim that a talking snake talked Eve into eating the forbidden
fruit.
The Bibles claim that Adam lived 930 years, Seth 912 years, Enosh 905 years,
Kenan910 years, Mahalael 895 years, Jared 962 years, Methuselah 969 years;
Lamech 777 years, and Noah 950 years. Genesis 5:-31; 9:29
God commanded that every baby boy at age of eight days be circumcised.
At that time sterilization (of knives) was unknown and many died of
infection for which they new no cure. Why did this almighty and all caring
God create baby boys with foreskins on their penis that he then required to
be painfully and dangerously removed?
This all caring and loving God sent ten horrible plagues upon the Egyptians
Exodus 7:14-12:32 and in his loving generosity gave Israel the land of the
Canaanites and the Israelites slaughtered every person of seven nations.
Twenty one million, men women and innocent children, were slaughtered
according to the Bible. Exodus 12:1-2
This is a loving god???
God in the Bibles classifies bats as birds when anyone with an elementary
knowledge of biology knows that bats are flying MAMMALS!
Letiviticus11:13, 19
This God can't control his temper resulting in killing thousands of people.
Numbers 11:31-35; 25:1-9
He and Moses ordered the Israelites to kill all the male and Female
Medianites who had ever had sex but to spare the young women who were
virgins and keep them for themselves to enjoy. Numbers 31:14-1
Jeremiah:16:1: The word of the LORD came also unto me, saying,
2: Thou shall not take thee a wife, neither shall thou have sons or
daughters in this place.
3: For thus saith the LORD concerning the sons and concerning the daughters
that are born in this place, and concerning their mothers that bare them,
and concerning their fathers that begat them in this land;
4: They shall die of grievous deaths; they shall not be lamented; neither
shall they be buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face of the earth:
and they shall be consumed by the sword, and by famine; and their carcasses
shall be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the beasts of the earth.
5: For thus saith the LORD, Enter not into the house of mourning, neither go
to lament nor bemoan them: for I have taken away my peace from this people,
saith the LORD, even loving kindness and mercies.
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According to the unerring Bible, the earth is the oldest object in the
Universe. (Genesis 1:1), snakes can talk (Genesis 3:1-5), and Man had
dominion over the dinosaurs (Genesis 1:26, 28)."
Really??? The Earth did not come into existence until 10 BILLION years after
the Universe. Man came into existence MILLIONS of years AFTER the extinction
of the Dinosaurs.
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God is satisfied with his works
[Gen 1:31]
God is dissatisfied with his works.
[Gen 6:6]
God dwells in chosen temples
[2 Chron 7:12,16]
God dwells not in temples
[Acts 7:48]
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Jesus' claimed last words on the cross, 'My God, my God, why hast thou
forsaken me?' Hardly seems like the words of a god that created and
controlled the whole world and who planned his entry and exit on earth.
More obvious nonsense!
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Additional Bible nonsense too voluminous to quote fully;
Mt.4:8: Gen. 1:6; Deut. 30.4; Job. 9:6,22:13, 26:11; PSA 75.3, 103.12;
1 Sam 2.8; Isa. 13.5, 40.21-22; Dan 4.10-11; Re. 7.1, 20.8; Psa 93:1, 96:10,
105.5Job. 22.14; Rev. 6.14; Acts 10:11; Rev. 6:13, 8:14; Mat. 2:9; Gen 1:16;
Lev.19.27, 11.7,10-12: Mat. 5:17-19; Luke 16:17; Lev. 19.19; Luke 16:1-9;
Amos 3:6; Isa. 45:7; Lev, 18.22, 20.13; Deut. 13.6; Judges 14.20; 1 Sam
16:21-23, 18.1-3; Sam 1:26, 13:3, 15:37, 16:16-17: Mat. 2:13-15; Luke 2:1-7,
21; Gen. 11.6, 18:21, 27:33; Exod. 9:14, 12:12; Num 33.4; Deut. 3.23; Exod.
18:11; Eccl. 9.5-6, 9:10; Job 7.9-10, 13:28, 14:1-2, 14:1-2, 10-12, 21; Prov
2:18-19; Eccl. 10:17, 17:27, 28, 30, 19.3, 44:9; wisdom 2:1-5
This is just a sampling of ridiculous Bible tales. The Bibles are obviously
a mixture of fiction, fables, folklore and pure nonsense.
And these Bibles were dictated by God??? Then this God must be a demented
idiot.
Bill
"Josh" <j...@jillywoods.ABCkaroo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Well written Bill: hard hitting questions and observations which demolish
> unsupported beliefs at a single blow. I am saving your writing for future
> reference - and quotation if I may.
> Josh
Thank you for your compliment. Feel free to use any of my material.
Rev Horny Cocksucker
>
> "Rev Horny Cocksucker" <ho...@cocksucker.com> wrote in message
> news:43d93...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> I see you are misguided and are heading for damnation. Read the bible
>> and
>> LEARN from it else you will not get eternal life.
>>
>> If you need spiritual guidance or bible interpretation please do not
>> hesitate to contact me.
>>
>> Regards
>
> Get your head out of your nonsensical Bibles and your mythical gods ass.
>
You missed the apostrophe from god's. And ours is the true God (with a
capital G). Nothing "mythical" about that. Have you ever wondered where
you came from ? No, I thought not.
I fear you and your ilk are heading, day by day, for the lake of fire.
Bill
Where did you get this silly nonsense?
I have no such fear of your imaginary hell anymore than I have any belief in
the hundreds of gods created by man.
All gods are 'mythical' including yours. What objective verifiable evidence
do you have that your
god is real??? If there was any real god he certainly would make clear,
to the whole world, that he is the 'real' god and that all the others are
fakes.
When is he going to accomplish that? After more billions go to his mythical
hell because they did not
praise him?
torresD
Wild Bill
What god worthy of the name *needs* the love and praise of his creations?
Shalom,
Bill
>
>
torresD
Read The Bible
> It is quite amazing that so many adults believe in
> and put their trust, time and resources in so many
> religions and fictitious gods
There is none other God but one. For though there be
that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth
(as there be gods many, and lords many), but to us
there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all
things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by
whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Cor.8:4-6
> Bill posted on Jan 26, 11:59 am:
> What distinguishes theology from mythology and
> astrology?
That which was from the beginning, which we have
heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we
have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the
Word of life. For the life was manifested, and we
have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you
that eternal life, which was with the Father, and
was manifested unto us. That which we have seen and
heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have
fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with
the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. And these
things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
This then is the message which we have heard of him,
and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him
is no darkness at all. If we say that we have
fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie,
and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with
another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son
cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no
sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in
us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just
to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all
unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned,
we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1 John 1:1-10
We have not followed cunningly devised fables, when
we made known unto you the power and coming of our
Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his
majesty. For he received from God the Father honour
and glory, when there came such a voice to him from
the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom
I am well pleased. And this voice which came from
heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy
mount. We have also a more sure word of prophecy;
whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a
light that shineth in a dark place, until the day
dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing
this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of
any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not
in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God
spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2 Peter 1:16-21
> Bill posted on Jan 26, 11:59 am:
> Of all these different Gods and belief systems
> which is the true one
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:6
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there
is none other name under heaven given among men,
whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting
life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see
life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36
> Bill posted on Jan 26, 11:59 am:
> They are all documents written, copied, modified
> and further copied, over the centuries, by errant
> men with their own self interest and motivations.
When ye received the word of God which ye heard of
us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it
is in truth, the word of God, which effectually
worketh also in you that believe. 1 Thess.2:13
The holy scriptures, which are able to make thee
wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ
Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
correction, for instruction in righteousness: That
the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished
unto all good works. 2 Timothy 3:15-17
Receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is
able to save your souls. James 1:21
Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word
of God. Romans 10:17
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of
incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and
abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all
the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass
withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But
the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is
the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
1 Peter 1:23-25
> Bill posted on Jan 26, 11:59 am:
> Why does any all powerful creator, all loving and
> caring intelligent designer, create Plagues,
> Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Wars,
> Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases,
> serious body malfunctions and starvation?
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace,
and create evil (ra): I the LORD do all these
things. Isaiah 45:7
Calamities (ra)... Psalms 141:5
Of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou
shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest
thereof thou shalt surely die. Genesis 2:17
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened
unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the
tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt
not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in
sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy
life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth
to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till
thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou
taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou
return. Genesis 3:17-19
The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is
eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6:23
I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are
not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall
be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the
creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of
God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not
willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected
the same in hope, because the creature itself also
shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption
into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For
we know that the whole creation groaneth and
travaileth in pain together until now. And not only
they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits
of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within
ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the
redemption of our body. For we are saved by hope: but
hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth,
why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we
see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Romans 8:18-25
> Bill posted on Jan 26, 11:59 am:
> There are 12,000 known ailments and diseases that
> torture and kill man. Why would this omnificent
> loving, all powerful god create all these diseases
> to torture and kill his followers with???
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill,
and to destroy: I am come that they might have life,
and that they might have it more abundantly.
John 10:10
Your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh
about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist
stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same
afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that
are in the world. 1 Peter 5:8-9
Ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham,
whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be
loosed from this bond...? Luke 13:16
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And he laid his hands on her: and immediately she was
made straight, and glorified God. Luke 13:13
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their
synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom,
and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of
disease among the people. And his fame went
throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all
sick people that were taken with divers diseases and
torments, and those which were possessed with devils,
and those which were lunatick, and those that had the
palsy; and he healed them. Matthew 4:23-24
And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw
his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever. And he
touched her hand, and the fever left her: and she
arose, and ministered unto them. When the even was
come, they brought unto him many that were possessed
with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his
word, and healed all that were sick: That it might
be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet,
saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our
sicknesses. Matthew 8:14-17
Great multitudes followed him, and he healed
them all... Matthew 12:15
> Bill posted on Jan 26, 11:59 am:
> These catastrophes affect people of ALL religious
> beliefs including TOTALLY INNOCENT CHILDREN!
Take heed that ye despise not one of these little
ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their
angels do always behold the face of my Father which
is in heaven. Matthew 18:10
And they brought young children to him, that he
should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those
that brought them. But when Jesus saw it, he was
much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the
little children to come unto me, and forbid them
not: for of such is the kingdom of God. Verily I
say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the
kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not
enter therein. And he took them up in his arms, put
his hands upon them, and blessed them. Mark 10:13-16
> Bill posted on Jan 26, 11:59 am:
> Why did this caring benevolent god create animals
> (including man) that need to kill and eat other
> animals to survive?
(Before the Fall:)
God said, Behold, I have given you every herb
bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the
earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit
of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for
meat. To every beast of the earth, and to every
fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth
upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given
every green herb for meat... Genesis 1:29-30
(In the Future:)
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the
leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf
and the young lion and the fatling together; and a
little child shall lead them. And the cow and the
bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down
together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the
asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the
cockatrice' den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in
all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of
the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover
the sea. Isaiah 11:6-9
> Bill posted on Jan 26, 11:59 am:
> Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
> Then he is not omnipotent.
Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is
given unto me in heaven and in earth. Matthew 28:18
> Bill posted on Jan 26, 11:59 am:
> Is he able, but not willing?
> Then he is malevolent.
In that same hour he cured many of their infirmities
and plagues, and of evil spirits; and unto many that
were blind he gave sight. Then Jesus answering said
unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye
have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame
walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the
dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended
in me. Luke 7:21-23
Lest I should be exalted above measure through the
abundance of the revelations, there was given to me
a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to
buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it
might depart from me. And he said unto me, My grace
is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made
perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I
rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of
Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure
in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in
persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for
when I am weak, then am I strong. 2 Cor.12:7-10
Read The Bible
> Then where does evil come from?
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou
wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Ezekiel 28:15
Being lifted up with pride he fall into the
condemnation of the devil. 1 Timothy 3:6
God hath made man upright; but they have sought out
many inventions. Ecclesiastes 7:29
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of
God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither
tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when
he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then
when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and
sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
James 1:13-15
> Bill posted on Jan 26, 11:59 am:
> Is he neither able nor willing?
> Then why call him a God?
Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity,
and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of
his heritage? He retaineth not his anger for ever,
because he delighteth in mercy. He will turn again,
he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our
iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into
the depths of the sea. Micah 7:18-19
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to
forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all
unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9
To them that have obtained like precious faith with
us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour
Jesus Christ: Grace and peace be multiplied unto
you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our
Lord, according as his divine power hath given unto
us all things that pertain unto life and godliness,
through the knowledge of him that hath called us to
glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding
great and precious promises: that by these ye might
be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped
the corruption that is in the world through lust.
2 Peter 1:1-4
> Bill posted on Jan 26, 11:59 am:
> Why does this all powerful, all loving god not
> permit those in his heaven to communicate the
> wonders of his heaven to their living children,
> relatives and friends? Why all the secrecy and
> confusion?
Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I
ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple,
whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have
I said nothing. John 18:20
All things that I have heard of my Father I have made
known unto you. John 15:15
There is one God, and one mediator between God and
men, the man Christ Jesus... 1 Timothy 2:5
When they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that
have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep,
and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their
God? For the living to the dead? Isaiah 8:19
> Bill posted on Jan 26, 11:59 am:
> It appears that faith is based on an uncontrollable
> pervasive fear of death and what comes after.
-Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of
flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part
of the same; that through death he might destroy him
that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And
deliver them who through fear of death were all their
lifetime subject to bondage. Hebrews 2:14-15
-Fear none of those things which thou shalt
suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into
prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have
tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death,
and I will give thee a crown of life. Rev.2:10
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable,
and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and
idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in
the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which
is the second death. Revelation 21:8
> Bill posted on Jan 26, 11:59 am:
> It is based on an unwillingness to accept the
> evidential fact that there is no 'hereafter' or
> glorious after life in some imaginary 'heaven'.
We shall reign on the earth. Revelation 5:10
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and
judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls
of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
and for the word of God, and which had not
worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither
had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in
their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ
a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not
again until the thousand years were finished. This
is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he
that hath part in the first resurrection: on such
the second death hath no power, but they shall be
priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with
him a thousand years. Revelation 20:4-6
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the
first heaven and the first earth were passed away;
and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy
city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of
heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying,
Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he
will dwell with them, and they shall be his people,
and God himself shall be with them, and be their
God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their
eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither
sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more
pain: for the former things are passed away.
Revelation 21:1-4
> Bill posted on Jan 26, 11:59 am:
> It is emotionally difficult, and for some
> impossible, to accept the finality of death.
But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain
that world, and the resurrection from the dead,
neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither
can they die any more: for they are equal unto the
angels; and are the children of God, being the
children of the resurrection. Now that the dead are
raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he
calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of
Isaac, and the God of Jacob. For he is not a God of
the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.
Luke 20:35-38
I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren,
concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not,
even as others which have no hope. For if we believe
that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also
which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For
this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that
we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the
Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the
Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,
with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump
of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then
we which are alive and remain shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in
the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
-For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to
obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, who died
for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should
live together with him. Wherefore comfort yourselves
together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
1 Thessalonians 5:9-11
> Bill posted on Jan 26, 11:59 am:
> We are forced to make a decision as to whether to
> live in a dream world or in the real world.
We faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet
the inward man is renewed day by day. For our light
affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us
a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;
While we look not at the things which are seen, but
at the things which are not seen: for the things
which are seen are temporal; but the things which are
not seen are eternal. 2 Corinthians 4:16-18
And we know that we are of God, and the whole world
lieth in wickedness. And we know that the Son of God
is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we
may know him that is true, and we are in him that is
true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true
God, and eternal life. 1 John 5:19-20
Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself,
and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever
will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall
lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same
shall save it. For what shall it profit a man, if he
shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my
words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of
him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he
cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy
angels. Mark 8:34-38
> Bill posted on Jan 26, 11:59 am:
> The REAL objective evidence is that no gods created
> man but quite the opposite; MAN created gods!
Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath
made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and
the sheep of his pasture. Psalms 100:3
And none can keep alive his own soul. Psalms 22:29
The wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the
truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be
known of God is manifest in them; for God hath
shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him
from the creation of the world are clearly seen,
being understood by the things that are made, even
his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are
without excuse: Because that, when they knew God,
they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful;
but became vain in their imaginations, and their
foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to
be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of
the uncorruptible God into an image made like to
corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts,
and creeping things.
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Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness
through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour
their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the
truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served
the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed
for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto
vile affections: for even their women did change the
natural use into that which is against nature: And
likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the
woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men
with men working that which is unseemly, and
receiving in themselves that recompence of their
error which was meet. And even as they did not like
to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over
to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not
convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness,
fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness;
full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity;
whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful,
proud, boasters, inventors of evil things,
disobedient to parents, without understanding,
covenantbreakers, without natural affection,
implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of
God, that they which commit such things are worthy of
death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in
them that do them. Romans 1:18-32
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> V posted on Jan 27, 6:02 am:
> "When a man's mind is concentrated he is blind."
If our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are
lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the
minds of them which believe not, lest the light of
the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of
God, should shine unto them. For we preach not
ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves
your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who commanded
the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in
our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the
glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 2 Cor.4:3-6
This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that
ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the
vanity of their mind, having the understanding
darkened, being alienated from the life of God
through the ignorance that is in them, because of
the blindness of their heart: Who being past feeling
have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to
work all uncleanness with greediness. But ye have not
so learned Christ; If so be that ye have heard him,
and have been taught by him, as the truth is in
Jesus: That ye put off concerning the former
conversation the old man, which is corrupt according
to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit
of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which
after God is created in righteousness and true
holiness. Ephesians 4:17-24
Read The Bible
> The Bibles are a foundation of quicksand.
Whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth
them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built
his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and
the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon
that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon
a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of
mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a
foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And
the rain descended, and the floods came, and the
winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it
fell: and great was the fall of it. Matthew 7:24-27
> Bill posted on Jan 27, 8:18 am:
> If Jesus was God, why did he not leave behind his
> recorded record of his rules and commands?
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me,
he will keep my words: and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him, and make our abode with
him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings,
and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the
Father's which sent me. These things have I spoken
unto you, being yet present with you. But the
Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father
will send in my name, he shall teach you all things,
and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever
I have said unto you. John 14:23-26
> Bill posted on Jan 27, 8:18 am:
> the Universe is over 20 BILLION light years in
> diameter and is made up of trillions of Stars and
> Planets of which our planetary system is a very
> miniscule and unimportant part. There was no
> concept of a Universe in Biblical times.
When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy
fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast
ordained; What is man, that thou art mindful
of him? Psalms 8:3-4
Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and
are counted as the small dust of the balance...
Isaiah 40:15
All nations before him are as nothing; and they are
counted to him less than nothing, and vanity. To whom
then will ye liken God? Or what likeness will ye
compare unto him? Isaiah 40:17-18
> Bill posted on Jan 27, 8:18 am:
> Everything beyond our immediate Son and planets was
> considered Heaven.
The birds of the air (ouranos) have nests... Mt.8:20
The stars of the sky (ouranos)... Hebrews 11:12
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago
(whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out
of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth), such an one
caught up to the third heaven (ouranos). And I knew
such a man (whether in the body, or out of the body,
I cannot tell: God knoweth), how that he was caught
up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which
it is not lawful for a man to utter. 2 Cor.12:2-4
> Bill posted on Jan 27, 8:18 am:
> Why would a God that is not physical but spiritual,
> get tired and need rest?
He rested (shabath) on the seventh day from all his
work which he had made. Genesis 2:2
Cease (shabath)... Genesis 8:22
Hast thou not known? Hast thou not heard, that the
everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends
of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? There
is no searching of his understanding. He giveth
power to the faint; and to them that have no might
he increaseth strength. Even the youths shall faint
and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall,
but they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their
strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles;
they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall
walk, and not faint. Isaiah 40:28-31
> Bill posted on Jan 27, 8:18 am:
> The objective evidence is that, if there is a god
> creator, he has no concern about the welfare of the
> creatures on Earth.
He sendeth the springs into the valleys, which run
among the hills. They give drink to every beast of
the field: the wild asses quench their thirst. By
them shall the fowls of the heaven have their
habitation, which sing among the branches. He
watereth the hills from his chambers: the earth is
satisfied with the fruit of thy works. He causeth
the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the
service of man: that he may bring forth food out of
the earth; and wine that maketh glad the heart of
man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread
which strengtheneth man's heart. The trees of the
LORD are full of sap; the cedars of Lebanon, which
he hath planted; where the birds make their nests.
As for the stork, the fir trees are her house. The
high hills are a refuge for the wild goats, and the
rocks for the conies.
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He appointed the moon for seasons; the sun knoweth
his going down. Thou makest darkness, and it is
night: wherein all the beasts of the forest do creep
forth. The young lions roar after their prey, and
seek their meat from God. The sun ariseth, they
gather themselves together, and lay them down in
their dens. Man goeth forth unto his work and to his
labour until the evening. O LORD, how manifold are
thy works! In wisdom hast thou made them all: the
earth is full of thy riches. So is this great and
wide sea, wherein are things creeping innumerable,
both small and great beasts. There go the ships.
There is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play
therein. These wait all upon thee, that thou mayest
give them their meat in due season. That thou givest
them they gather: thou openest thine hand, they are
filled with good. Thou hidest thy face, they are
troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die,
and return to their dust.
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Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created, and
thou renewest the face of the earth. The glory of the
LORD shall endure for ever: the LORD shall rejoice in
his works. He looketh on the earth, and it trembleth;
he toucheth the hills, and they smoke. I will sing
unto the LORD as long as I live: I will sing praise
to my God while I have my being. My meditation of
him shall be sweet: I will be glad in the LORD. Let
the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the
wicked be no more. Bless thou the LORD, O my soul.
Praise ye the LORD. Psalms 104:10-35
> Bill posted on Jan 27, 8:18 am:
> (Re: Jonah) Totally implausible. He would have
> been digested by the fish in those three days!
Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all
things are possible... Mark 9:23
-For with God all things are possible. Mark 10:27
-For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the
whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days
and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Matthew 12:40
Why should it be thought a thing incredible with
you, that God should raise the dead? Acts 26:8
> Bill posted on Jan 27, 8:18 am:
> (Re: Noah's Flood) a grossly implausible tale
-For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by
the word of God the heavens were of old, and the
earth standing out of the water and in the water,
whereby the world that then was, being overflowed
with water, perished. But the heavens and the earth,
which are now, by the same word are kept in store,
reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and
perdition of ungodly men. 2 Peter 3:5-7
As the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of
the Son of man be. For as in the days that were
before the flood they were eating and drinking,
marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that
Noe entered into the ark, and knew not until the
flood came, and took them all away; so shall also
the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:37-39
The Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with
his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance
on them that know not God, and that obey not the
gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be
punished with everlasting destruction... 2 Thes.1:7-9
> Bill posted on Jan 27, 8:18 am:
> (Re: Noah) Before man learned how to create a fire,
> he had no choice but to eat raw meat!
Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of
every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and
offered burnt offerings on the altar. Genesis 8:20
> Bill posted on Jan 27, 8:18 am:
> The Bibles claim that a talking snake talked Eve
> into eating the forbidden fruit.
I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled
Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be
corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:3
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the
field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto
the woman, Yea, hath God said...? Genesis 3:1
When they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and
taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
Mark 4:15
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> Bill posted on Jan 27, 8:18 am:
> This is a loving god???
God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while
we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8
-For God so loved the world, that he gave his only
begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should
not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent
not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but
that the world through him might be saved. He that
believeth on him is not condemned: but he that
believeth not is condemned already, because he hath
not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of
God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come
into the world, and men loved darkness rather than
light, because their deeds were evil. For every one
that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to
the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
John 3:16-20
> Bill posted on Jan 27, 8:18 am:
> God dwells in chosen temples [2 Chron 7:12,16]
But will God in very deed dwell with men on the
earth? Behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens
cannot contain thee; how much less this house
which I have built! 2 Chronicles 6:18
> Bill posted on Jan 27, 8:18 am:
> God dwells not in temples [Acts 7:48]
Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what
house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is
the place of my rest? Hath not my hand made all these
things? Acts 7:49-50
> Bill posted on Jan 27, 8:18 am:
> Jesus' claimed last words on the cross, 'My God,
> my God, why hast thou forsaken me?' Hardly seems
> like the words of a god that created and controlled
> the whole world and who planned his entry and exit
> on earth.
In all things it behoved him to be made like unto his
brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful
high priest in things pertaining to God, to make
reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Hebrews 2:17
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not
robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no
reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant,
and was made in the likeness of men: And being found
in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became
obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given
him a name which is above every name: That at the
name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in
heaven, and things in earth, and things under the
earth; And that every tongue should confess that
Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the
Father. Philippians 2:6-11
> Bill posted on Jan 27, 8:18 am:
> And these Bibles were dictated by God??? Then this
> God must be a demented idiot.
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon
him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his
way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let
him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy
upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly
pardon. For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For
as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my
ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your
thoughts. For as the rain cometh down, and the snow
from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth
the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it
may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater,
so shall my word be that goeth forth out of my
mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall
accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper
in the thing whereto I sent it. Isaiah 55:6-11
Read The Bible
> I have no such fear of your imaginary hell
I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him,
which after he hath killed hath power to cast into
hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. Luke 12:5
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even
the wicked for the day of evil. Every one that is
proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though
hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished. By
mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear
of the LORD men depart from evil. Proverbs 16:4-6
In hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments...
Luke 16:23
Cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be
quenched... Mark 9:45
Cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not,
and the fire is not quenched. Mark 9:47-48
Whosoever was not found written in the book of life
was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:15
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire,
prepared for the devil and his angels... Mt.25:41
If any man worship the beast and his image, and
receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the
same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,
which is poured out without mixture into the cup of
his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire
and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and
in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their
torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have
no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his
image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Revelation 14:9-11
> Bill posted on Jan 28, 1:20 pm:
> If there was any real god he certainly would make
> clear, to the whole world, that he is the 'real'
> god and that all the others are fakes.
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the
firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day
uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth
knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where
their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out
through all the earth, and their words to the end of
the world. Psalms 19:1-4
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in
all the world for a witness unto all nations; and
then shall the end come. Matthew 24:14
> Bill posted on Jan 28, 1:20 pm:
> When is he going to accomplish that? After more
> billions go to his mythical hell because they did
> not praise him?
(The Lord) is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing
that any should perish, but that all should come to
repentance. 2 Peter 3:9
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto
the knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2:4
Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to
every creature. Mark 16:15
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> Wild Bill posted on Jan 28, 1:55 pm:
> What god worthy of the name *needs* the love and
> praise of his creations?
Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though
he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life,
and breath, and all things... Acts 17:25
All nations before him are as nothing; and they are
counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
Isaiah 40:17
They should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel
after him, and find him, though he be not far from
every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and
have our being... Acts 17:27-28
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour
and power: for thou hast created all things, and for
thy pleasure they are and were created. Rev.4:11
And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels
round about the throne and the beasts and the
elders: and the number of them was ten thousand
times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that
was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom,
and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
And every creature which is in heaven, and on the
earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the
sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying,
Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto
him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb
for ever and ever. Revelation 5:11-13
All the ends of the world shall remember and turn
unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations
shall worship before thee. Psalms 22:27
Bill
There is NO reasonable or logical basis for believing in your Bibles. There
are NO ORIGINALS in existence. Why would God not protect the originals? What
are available are copies of copies by unknown men of questionable veracity
biased by, and dependent on, their membership in the clergy. The originals
rotted and disappeared thousands of years ago. The Bibles were hand written
and recopied more than a thousand years before the invention of the printing
press. And of course we not only do not know what was in the originals but
they were also written by errant biased men motivated to impress their
flock.
If Jesus was God, why did he not leave behind his recorded record of his
rules and commands? Why are there NO Biblical documents written during his
time on earth? The Old Testaments were written before his birth. The New
Testaments were written 60 and more years after his death by men who never
new him. There is NO objective verifiable evidence as to their authenticity
and veracity.
The story of creation
Genesis
Adam and Eve
Jonah
Sodom and Gomorrah
The Tower of Babel
Genesis 11.1 - 11.9
Noah and the Ark
Genesis 6:6
Genesis 7
Genesis 8
Samson
A truly implausible tale!
Letiviticus11:13, 19
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