IF GOD ISN'T THERE.
Bill M
"David Canzi" <dmc...@remulak.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
news:hecg6u$lmb$1...@rumours.uwaterloo.ca...
> Frankie, the latest Christian proselytizer in alt.atheism, wrote:
>
>>If God really isn't there or in existence, I would be the first to
>>queue up, to cheat, lie, kill, rape and plunder.
If God does not exist you would still suffer cruel punishment by your fellow
humans.
Humans are totally dependent on the aide and cooperation of other humans -
NOT some mythical God!
--
Bill M
Dan Listermann
"Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:viyOm.31199$ZF3....@newsfe13.iad...
>
> "David Canzi" <dmc...@remulak.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
> news:hecg6u$lmb$1...@rumours.uwaterloo.ca...
>> Frankie, the latest Christian proselytizer in alt.atheism, wrote:
>>
>>>If God really isn't there or in existence, I would be the first to
>>>queue up, to cheat, lie, kill, rape and plunder.
>
Wow! The idea that this guy needs a mythical figment of imagination to
behave like a good human being is really scary indeed. I think that he is
just using this to justify his superstition.
Frankie Lee
> "David Canzi" <dmca...@remulak.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
>
> news:hecg6u$lmb$1...@rumours.uwaterloo.ca...
>
> > Frankie, the latest Christian proselytizer in alt.atheism, wrote:
>
> >>If God really isn't there or in existence, I would be the first to
> >>queue up, to cheat, lie, kill, rape and plunder.
> If God does not exist you would still suffer cruel punishment by your fellow
> humans.
Me: Most probably you don't understand my point.
btw,it is true that people will suffer from cruel man,and such
injustice done to man,how are we to account if there is no after life
or cosmic Justice?
>
> Humans are totally dependent on the aide and cooperation of other humans -
> NOT some mythical God!
Me: Since we r here,and this world doesn't belong God,of course we
need the aide and cooperation of fellow human for
survival,etc...However,once we enter judgment,that is where our
accountability matter,on how we live here,and our deeds are to
account.
> --
> Bill M
Frankie Lee
> "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> news:viyOm.31199$ZF3....@newsfe13.iad...
>
>
>
> >news:hecg6u$lmb$1...@rumours.uwaterloo.ca...
> >> Frankie, the latest Christian proselytizer in alt.atheism, wrote:
>
> >>>If God really isn't there or in existence, I would be the first to
> >>>queue up, to cheat, lie, kill, rape and plunder.
> Wow! The idea that this guy needs a mythical figment of imagination to
> behave like a good human being is really scary indeed. I think that he is
> just using this to justify his superstition.
Me: Wow,are you mocking all the legal system in our world,and all
policemen,and all Law enforcers to keep people decent and civil,and
civilized?
???Behind every Laws,there is no enforcer of Laws,no Policeman,...and
there is no Satellite Surveillance camera watching what we do,so we
can do what we want.It is superstitious to believe that Casinos had
all those Cameras up there,and so let us cheat the Casinos by sleight
of hands,shall we?
It is a figment of imagination that the Moral Law giver could not
enforce the Laws??????Give me some intelligence!
----------------
Larry
news:22a5$4b0ab682$4a53bf9f$34...@FUSE.NET:
> Wow! The idea that this guy needs a mythical figment of imagination
> to behave like a good human being is really scary indeed. I think
> that he is just using this to justify his superstition.
>
>
>
What's much more scary is every President with his finger on our total
destruction and genocide has a Christian religious belief in the Rapture.
THAT is very scary, indeed!
--
Larry
Dan Listermann
"Frankie Lee" <leea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:419ee83c-af1d-40c7...@d9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
Are you tel;ling me that you need a boggieman in the sky to behave like a
deacent human being?
----------------
Robibnikoff
"Frankie Lee" <leea...@yahoo.com> babbled nonsense....
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & Belly Dancer Supreme
BAAWA Knight
#1557
Robibnikoff
Masked Avenger
On 24-Nov-2009, Frankie Lee <leea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It is a figment of imagination that the Moral Law giver could not
> enforce the Laws??????Give me some intelligence!
OK Einstein ......exactly how does the 'Moral Law giver' *enforce* the laws
??? ...........
"there's a dead Bishop on the Landing" ........ "call the Church Police !
" .....
"oh Lord .... we beseach thee ......... who croaked Lester ? ........."
--
MA ....Yoiks .... and away .....
Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity .............
and I'm not sure about the Universe ..........
- A. Einstein
Does Schr�dinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
Jimbo
> On Nov 23, 6:58 pm, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > "David Canzi" <dmca...@remulak.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
>
> >news:hecg6u$lmb$1...@rumours.uwaterloo.ca...
>
> > > Frankie, the latest Christian proselytizer in alt.atheism, wrote:
>
> > >>If God really isn't there or in existence, I would be the first to
> > >>queue up, to cheat, lie, kill, rape and plunder.
> > If God does not exist you would still suffer cruel punishment by your fellow
> > humans.
>
> Me: Most probably you don't understand my point.
> btw,it is true that people will suffer from cruel man,and such
> injustice done to man,how are we to account if there is no after life
> or cosmic Justice?
?!? So your entire reason for morality is through fear os some sort
of cosmic justice? How bizaare.
Jimbo
> On Nov 24, 12:21 am, "Dan Listermann" <d...@listermann.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:viyOm.31199$ZF3....@newsfe13.iad...
>
> > > "David Canzi" <dmca...@remulak.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
> > >news:hecg6u$lmb$1...@rumours.uwaterloo.ca...
> > >> Frankie, the latest Christian proselytizer in alt.atheism, wrote:
>
> > >>>If God really isn't there or in existence, I would be the first to
> > >>>queue up, to cheat, lie, kill, rape and plunder.
> > ---------------------------
> > Wow! The idea that this guy needs a mythical figment of imagination to
> > behave like a good human being is really scary indeed. I think that he is
> > just using this to justify his superstition.
>
> Me: Wow,are you mocking all the legal system in our world,and all
> policemen,and all Law enforcers to keep people decent and civil,and
> civilized?
>
Are you really this comprehension impaired? He was mocking your
superstition, legal systems and law enforcers are real.
Frankie Lee
> On Nov 23, 11:53 am, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 23, 6:58 pm, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > "David Canzi" <dmca...@remulak.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
>
> > >news:hecg6u$lmb$1...@rumours.uwaterloo.ca...
>
> > > > Frankie, the latest Christian proselytizer in alt.atheism, wrote:
>
> > > >>If God really isn't there or in existence, I would be the first to
> > > >>queue up, to cheat, lie, kill, rape and plunder.
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > If God does not exist you would still suffer cruel punishment by your fellow
> > > humans.
>
> > Me: Most probably you don't understand my point.
> > btw,it is true that people will suffer from cruel man,and such
> > injustice done to man,how are we to account if there is no after life
> > or cosmic Justice?
>
> ?!? So your entire reason for morality is through fear os some sort
> of cosmic justice? How bizaare.
Reply: You see,the fear of incarceration, and and dealing with
criminals goes a long way.It has never been bizarre nor was it
irrational,but somehow in all your life it seems you've never
comprehend this basic moral structure.
Given your so warp views,how are you to be seen as knowledgeable?
Frankie Lee
> On Nov 23, 11:58 am, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 24, 12:21 am, "Dan Listermann" <d...@listermann.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:viyOm.31199$ZF3....@newsfe13.iad...
>
> > > > "David Canzi" <dmca...@remulak.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
> > > >news:hecg6u$lmb$1...@rumours.uwaterloo.ca...
> > > >> Frankie, the latest Christian proselytizer in alt.atheism, wrote:
>
> > > >>>If God really isn't there or in existence, I would be the first to
> > > >>>queue up, to cheat, lie, kill, rape and plunder.
> > > ---------------------------
> > > Wow! The idea that this guy needs a mythical figment of imagination to
> > > behave like a good human being is really scary indeed. I think that he is
> > > just using this to justify his superstition.
>
> > Me: Wow,are you mocking all the legal system in our world,and all
> > policemen,and all Law enforcers to keep people decent and civil,and
> > civilized?
>
-------
> Are you really this comprehension impaired? He was mocking your
> superstition, legal systems and law enforcers are real.
Reply: So you are implying that there is no enforcing of Moral Laws
somewhere in the spiritual realm?We do have it here,natural,right?
Sinful deeds come in all sort forms and shapes,and who can really know
what goes on in the many misdeeds of the rich and powerful,or even
your secret,or skeleton closet?
A thief will steal fully knowing he will never be caught.Unless you
knew nothing about Moral law,which you have shown so far,I guess this
kind of knowledge is too deep for you.
Frankie Lee
> "Frankie Lee" <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Are you tel;ling me that you need a boggieman in the sky to behave like a
> deacent human being?
Reply: Boggieman?You see,there is no common sense in any of your
nerve.If there is no law,anyone can do what he wants.You believe
carrot and sticks are never part of human culture?
You are the most ignorant person in this planet to suppose that the
Laws of God do not deter immoral behaviour;likewise with the Laws of
the land.
North Korean leader Kim should do what he thinks is right because this
is all he has in this life?
> ----------------
Jimbo
> On Nov 24, 6:19 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 23, 11:53 am, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 23, 6:58 pm, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > > "David Canzi" <dmca...@remulak.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:hecg6u$lmb$1...@rumours.uwaterloo.ca...
>
> > > > > Frankie, the latest Christian proselytizer in alt.atheism, wrote:
>
> > > > >>If God really isn't there or in existence, I would be the first to
> > > > >>queue up, to cheat, lie, kill, rape and plunder.
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > If God does not exist you would still suffer cruel punishment by your fellow
> > > > humans.
>
> > > Me: Most probably you don't understand my point.
> > > btw,it is true that people will suffer from cruel man,and such
> > > injustice done to man,how are we to account if there is no after life
> > > or cosmic Justice?
>
> ------------------------
>
> > ?!? So your entire reason for morality is through fear os some sort
> > of cosmic justice? How bizaare.
>
> Reply: You see,the fear of incarceration,
No, I see the benefits of doing what is right for the sake of doing
right, not fear. Incarceration is simply punishment for those who
cannot also see that. Of course, I don't have a criminal mind, such
as you, who would immediately turn to criminal activity if the object
of your fear is removed.
Mitchell Holman
>
>
> You are the most ignorant person in this planet to suppose that the
> Laws of God do not deter immoral behaviour;
Isn't it Santa's "naughty" and "nice" lists that do that?
"He's making a list and checking it twice...."
Jimbo
> On Nov 24, 6:21 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 23, 11:58 am, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 24, 12:21 am, "Dan Listermann" <d...@listermann.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:viyOm.31199$ZF3....@newsfe13.iad...
>
> > > > > "David Canzi" <dmca...@remulak.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
> > > > >news:hecg6u$lmb$1...@rumours.uwaterloo.ca...
> > > > >> Frankie, the latest Christian proselytizer in alt.atheism, wrote:
>
> > > > >>>If God really isn't there or in existence, I would be the first to
> > > > >>>queue up, to cheat, lie, kill, rape and plunder.
> > > > ---------------------------
> > > > Wow! The idea that this guy needs a mythical figment of imagination to
> > > > behave like a good human being is really scary indeed. I think that he is
> > > > just using this to justify his superstition.
>
> > > Me: Wow,are you mocking all the legal system in our world,and all
> > > policemen,and all Law enforcers to keep people decent and civil,and
> > > civilized?
>
> -------
>
> > Are you really this comprehension impaired? He was mocking your
> > superstition, legal systems and law enforcers are real.
>
> Reply: So you are implying that there is no enforcing of Moral Laws
> somewhere in the spiritual realm?
Can you prove that their is? It's not my job to disprove bizaare
claims, it is your job to prove them.
huge
You forget that there are civil laws -- the laws of the land.
But even if a law of god were needed, that would NOT be
an argument that there IS a law of god. Can your
tiny little brain wrap itself around that?
> You believe carrot
> and sticks are never part of human culture?
>
> You are the most ignorant person in this planet to suppose that the Laws
> of God do not deter immoral behaviour;likewise with the Laws of the
> land.
>
> North Korean leader Kim should do what he thinks is right because this
> is all he has in this life?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> ----------------
>
--
huge: Not on my time you don't.
Dan Listermann
So called "Moral Laws" have their origin not is a superstitious skyfairy,
but in the natural instincts that are necessary for any social specied to
survive. Religions codify these as some sort of "gift" from the fairy.
Then religions distort them, not for the better. A lot of people buy the
sky fairy thing.
Please note the absence of insults.
> ----------------
haiku jones
> On Nov 24, 12:21 am, "Dan Listermann" <d...@listermann.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:viyOm.31199$ZF3....@newsfe13.iad...
>
> > > "David Canzi" <dmca...@remulak.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
> > >news:hecg6u$lmb$1...@rumours.uwaterloo.ca...
> > >> Frankie, the latest Christian proselytizer in alt.atheism, wrote:
>
> > >>>If God really isn't there or in existence, I would be the first to
> > >>>queue up, to cheat, lie, kill, rape and plunder.
> > ---------------------------
> > Wow! The idea that this guy needs a mythical figment of imagination to
> > behave like a good human being is really scary indeed. I think that he is
> > just using this to justify his superstition.
>
> Me: Wow,areyoumockingallthe legal system in our world,andall
> civilized?
>
> ???Behind every Laws,there is no enforcer of Laws,no Policeman,...and
> there is no Satellite Surveillance camera watching what we do,so we
> of hands,shall we?
>
> It is a figment of imagination that the Moral Law giver could not
> enforce the Laws??????Give me some intelligence!
>
> ----------------
All right, here's some "intelligence" for you:
You said:
If God really isn't there or in existence, I would be the
first to queue up, to cheat, lie, kill, rape and plunder.
I don't believe in God, nor in any higher moral
authority keeping a watch over us.
And yet I do not cheat. I do not lie.
I do not kill, nor rape, nor plunder
I do not do anyof these things that
you confessed to us that you would
do if you didn't believe in god.
What does that tell you?
Haiku Jones
Jimbo
>
> - Show quoted text -
It tells me that Frankie is little more than a thug at heart.
Puck Greenman
>On Nov 24, 8:43�am, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 24, 6:19�pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 23, 11:53�am, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Nov 23, 6:58�pm, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > > "David Canzi" <dmca...@remulak.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
>>
>> > > >news:hecg6u$lmb$1...@rumours.uwaterloo.ca...
>>
>> > > > > Frankie, the latest Christian proselytizer in alt.atheism, wrote:
>>
>> > > > >>If God really isn't there or in existence, I would be the first to
>> > > > >>queue up, to cheat, lie, kill, rape and plunder.
Which only serves to highlight the truth about christian morality.
>> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------��---
>> > > > If God does not exist you would still suffer cruel punishment by your fellow
>> > > > humans.
>>
>> > > Me: Most probably you don't understand my point.
>> > > btw,it is true that people will suffer from cruel man,and such
>> > > injustice done to man,how are we to account if there is no after life
>> > > or cosmic Justice?
>>
>> ------------------------
>>
>> > ?!? �So your entire reason for morality is through fear os some sort
>> > of cosmic justice? � How bizaare.
>>
>> Reply: You see,the fear of incarceration,
>
>No, I see the benefits of doing what is right for the sake of doing
>right, not fear.
Which is as it should be.
> Incarceration is simply punishment for those who
>cannot also see that. Of course, I don't have a criminal mind, such
>as you, who would immediately turn to criminal activity if the object
>of your fear is removed.
That wonderful christian morality, "Do as you are told; OR ELSE!".
Puck Greenman
>> Are you really this comprehension impaired? �He was mocking your
>> superstition, legal systems and law enforcers are real.
>
>Reply: So you are implying that there is no enforcing of Moral Laws
>somewhere in the spiritual realm?
You have not yet shown that there IS a "spiritual realm".
snip unsupported assertions.
Dan Listermann
On Nov 24, 6:21 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 23, 11:58 am, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 24, 12:21 am, "Dan Listermann" <d...@listermann.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:viyOm.31199$ZF3....@newsfe13.iad...
>
> > > > "David Canzi" <dmca...@remulak.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
> > > >news:hecg6u$lmb$1...@rumours.uwaterloo.ca...
> > > >> Frankie, the latest Christian proselytizer in alt.atheism, wrote:
>
> > > >>>If God really isn't there or in existence, I would be the first to
> > > >>>queue up, to cheat, lie, kill, rape and plunder.
> > > ---------------------------
> > > Wow! The idea that this guy needs a mythical figment of imagination to
> > > behave like a good human being is really scary indeed. I think that he
> > > is
> > > just using this to justify his superstition.
>
> > Me: Wow,are you mocking all the legal system in our world,and all
> > policemen,and all Law enforcers to keep people decent and civil,and
> > civilized?
>
-------
> Are you really this comprehension impaired? He was mocking your
> superstition, legal systems and law enforcers are real.
"Reply: So you are implying that there is no enforcing of Moral Laws
somewhere in the spiritual realm?We do have it here,natural,right?"
Since you cannot produce any evidence for the existence of a "spiritual
realm," it must be natural.
Puck Greenman
Yes, Boogeyman.
>You see,there is no common sense in any of your
>nerve.
And once more, in English, please.
>If there is no law,anyone can do what he wants.
Until you try it.
You must remember, that if there is no law, then there is nothing to prevent you from, for
argument's sake, raping my daughter: Right?
...Except me, and every other person in the group, that has kids.
You would not like to live in a lawless community.
The law sets limits on your punishment, varying it according to the crime.
But in a lawless community, your punishment would depend on the mood of your victim, or
your victim's family and friends.
Not a very promising out look for you.
Your only hope is that the community is not a christian one.
That way at least, there will be some morality and compassion, to protect you from the
worst of the punishment.
>You believe
>carrot and sticks are never part of human culture?
Where ever do you get these childish ideas?
Carrot indeed.
For the most part, the only carrot offered, is that you get to go on living
>
>You are the most ignorant person in this planet to suppose that the
>Laws of God do not deter immoral behaviour;
Superstitious fear, is a very powerful force, but bowing down to it, does not make you
moral.
>likewise with the Laws of the land.
The laws of the land, in the first world, at least, do more to protect the people, than
any superstition based morality.
snip irrelevance.
Robibnikoff
Robibnikoff
Jimbo
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yep, and quite honestly if that is what gets them through the day
without stealing, murdering, etc, etc, then by all means keep
believing. The only thing I ask is that they try to understand that
not everyone is of a criminal mindset and doesn't need their imaginary
sky-pixie to get them through the day.
bob young
Bill M wrote:
> "David Canzi" <dmc...@remulak.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
> news:hecg6u$lmb$1...@rumours.uwaterloo.ca...
> > Frankie, the latest Christian proselytizer in alt.atheism, wrote:
> >
> >>If God really isn't there or in existence, I would be the first to
> >>queue up, to cheat, lie, kill, rape and plunder.
>
> If God does not exist you would still suffer cruel punishment by your fellow
> humans.
>
> Humans are totally dependent on the aide and cooperation of other humans -
> NOT some mythical God!
Why is it that so many humans
just cannot manage to grasp that simple fact ?
Bob
>
>
> --
> Bill M
bob young
Robibnikoff wrote:
> "Frankie Lee" <leea...@yahoo.com>
>
> FOAD, frankie
Not a bad idea. Thenhe can meet up with that 'pal'
he is so fond of quoting a little earlier
Budikka666
> ???Behind every Laws,there is no enforcer of Laws,no Policeman,...and
> there is no Satellite Surveillance camera watching what we do,so we
> can do what we want.
And there you have it, folks. Frankie Leaves, one of the biggest
cowards on Usenet, an air-headed, vacuous, ignorant, juvenile,
clueless spammer, LIAR and hypcorite has absolutely no morality
whatsoever.
Time to kick his stupid ass off your list of material to read.
Budikka
hypa...@comcast.net
> "Frankie Lee" <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:419ee83c-af1d-40c7...@d9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 24, 12:21 am, "Dan Listermann" <d...@listermann.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:viyOm.31199$ZF3....@newsfe13.iad...
>
> > >news:hecg6u$lmb$1...@rumours.uwaterloo.ca...
> > >> Frankie, the latest Christian proselytizer in alt.atheism, wrote:
>
> > >>>If God really isn't there or in existence, I would be the first to
> > >>>queue up, to cheat, lie, kill, rape and plunder.
> > Wow! The idea that this guy needs a mythical figment of imagination to
> > behave like a good human being is really scary indeed. I think that he is
> > just using this to justify his superstition.
>
> "Me: Wow,are you mocking all the legal system in our world,and all
> policemen,and all Law enforcers to keep people decent and civil,and
> civilized?
>
> there is no Satellite Surveillance camera watching what we do,so we
> all those Cameras up there,and so let us cheat the Casinos by sleight
> of hands,shall we?
>
> It is a figment of imagination that the Moral Law giver could not
> enforce the Laws??????Give me some intelligence!"
>
> deacent human being?
Nope. I think he just told us that he has no intelligence.