@ JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES REPRESENT HE TRUE CHRISTIANITY ! @
OB...@aol.com
International Bible Students who before them restored the lost true
christian religion.
If the second coming of Jesus is to occur in 2011 AD we must have a
period of 120 years before that happens in the likeness of Noah's
days.
2011 AD - 120 years = 1891 AD.
The date 1891 AD is not linked to the International Bible Students.The
closest date to link them is 1884 AD.
1891 AD - 1884 AD = 7 years.
We know that one day can represent one year according to Ezekiel 4.6.
There were 7 days mentioned in Genesis 7.1-4 and they followed the
period of 120 years.
So we must place this 7-year period before 2011 AD .
2011 AD backwards 7 years = 2004 AD.
Then 2004 AD - 120 years = 1884 AD.
So, we have now a 7-year period patterned after 7 days of Noah's days
and it means that now is the time to enter the spiritual ark of
salvation before the door is shut in 2011 AD.
OB...@aol.com
Jehovah's Witnesses .He doesn't have the 120-year period before 2011
AD which he should have and find the true christians linked to that
period.
Florence B. Nitengail
<OB...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Harold Camping
... is a con man, a crack pot, a liar and a false prophet.
is also proclaiming the year 2011 but he opposes
> Jehovah's Witnesses .
... What makes you think anyone on these groups cares?
He doesn't have the 120-year period before 2011
> AD which he should have and find the true christians linked to that
> period.
... Why don't you get Camping out of your life?
Parish *~
<OB...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> By the name watchtower they are the legimate off-spring of the
> International Bible Students who before them restored the lost true
> christian religion.
And you have proof of this? Please answer the question without referring
people to conman Camping.
>
> If the second coming of Jesus is to occur in 2011 AD we must have a
> period of 120 years before that happens in the likeness of Noah's
> days.
Has Egypt been laid to waste yet?
~.^.Saba Gracile.^.~
<OB...@aol.com> skrev i melding
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> By the name watchtower they are the legimate off-spring of the
> International Bible Students who before them restored the lost true
> christian religion.
>
And that's the problem. They think they've created a form of savior
that is honoring their own religion, more than the Gospel of Christ itself.
They are all about their own doing, bragging about them restoring
the truth, as if it were lost somehow to true christians. It wasn't.
The truth and the life is Christ. Cultists create other packages,
like the WT of the Jw's has done, crediting their package, preaching
it as salvation material in itself. Wrong, heretic, and demonic.
-skip nutcase numberfixation-
Saba
OB...@aol.com
-----
You not solving any problem here . If the end should occur in 2011 AD
there must be true worshippers of God for 120 years before that event.
You will not find better a christian organization than Jehovah's
Witnesses are and the International Bible Students ( their
predecessors ) were .
They are linked by the name Watchtower and they are the only distinct
religious group that is associated with the predictions of the end of
the world the best way.
OB...@aol.com
associated with that ?
~.^.Saba Gracile.^.~
<OB...@aol.com> skrev i melding
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> If the date 1914 AD is mentioned in prophesies what religion is
> associated with that ?
It is a completely nonsignificant and wrongly based date, haven't you
learned, and it was a total coincidence that WW1 started that year.
All the other dates they gave didn't come true either, forgot about them?
>
~.^.Saba Gracile.^.~
<OB...@aol.com> skrev i melding
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~The true worshippers are the ones that were Christs followers all along,
even in the dark ages there were some. They red Gods Word under the oil
lamps long before the socalled bible students appeared, long before wacko
occult follower Russell made a religion and the watchtower is obsessed
with the end, just like Satan. That doesn't mean they're christians, so no,
you have a problem here, along with those heretics. They don't love God
they love dates.
S
OB...@aol.com
-----
Read the Bible it is the only book where we can read about the end of
the world the right way .And the true christianity at the beginning
was already preoccupied with the subject of the endtimes.
It is unimaginable if we live near the end of the end-time era that
true christians would not be preoccupied with the imminent end and
knew nothing about the time when the end is going to take place.
Read the story of Noah how he was building the ark and the Flood could
not happen until Ark was ready .Noah could know the time when the
destruction would come.
curtjester1
I do think it's important that there were dates that were counted on
in the past and as far as prophecy, Daniel's book. By a king's
dominion and counting they were able to discern in precise year's
Christ's arrival, death and resurrection some 600 years in advance.
Numbers are given for the dream and tree prophecy as well for the time
of the end, and if one chooses not to apply them, then how can they go
about saying one's religion or one who has made a stab at the
interpretation doesn't have the correct date of the beginning of the
time of the end? I think when the Gospel says that it would be "a
generation', and to be alert (Luke 21:36) that we should do just
that. If this is 'not the generation' prior to Christ's kingdom on
earth, then can anyone give an answer to as why or why not?
CJ
~.^.Saba Gracile.^.~
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-----
Read the Bible it is the only book where we can read about the end of
the world the right way .And the true christianity at the beginning
was already preoccupied with the subject of the endtimes.
~of course, they were concerned, the disciples too, they even
fought over stupid things, they were imperfect. But did Jesus
give them any dates? nope. Only circumstantial clues. Because
the *end* wasn't the main deal of being a true christian, but
that His followers would know (even see him like when he left
for heaven), that he had returned. It was a matter of belief,
not knowing the date. Preoccupation with that alone is just
plain speculative and rather shallow. You know you have
to live by God after the 'end' as well don't you? what
are you going to speculate about then, if that's all you were
doing for Christ?
It is unimaginable if we live near the end of the end-time era that
true christians would not be preoccupied with the imminent end and
knew nothing about the time when the end is going to take place.
Read the story of Noah how he was building the ark and the Flood could
not happen until Ark was ready .Noah could know the time when the
destruction would come.
~you can't be overly concerned with your own life if you're
a christian, that's a given. That's because you can win your life
yet lose your soul. Just try to understand the bible. End time
isn't what its all about.
Saba
OB...@aol.com
-----
The endtime concern is inseperable in this case as we are nearing the
such a decisive moment in mankind's history when the fate of billions
of people wil be determined once for all the time.
Take a sports magazine or newspaper and read how much is being written
there about sports events .
Or have a glimpse at New York Stock Exchange how people behave about
moving money in the financial markets !
We are talking here about the Biggest News that make all secular news
nothing !
~.^.Saba Gracile.^.~
<OB...@aol.com> skrev i melding
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¨Yes the end is monumentl, but the bible wasn't written with that in mind
as if the billions dying before Armageddon didn't matter, only the few
millions of the end time. The biggest news that made all news minor
was the coming of our Savior, Christ. That is what's important to
broadcast, not a frightening end, like you do, because you're so
preoccupied with death from the typical gloomy JW cult thinking.
S
curtjester1
> On Nov 27, 4:10 pm, "~.^.Saba Gracile.^.~" <veron...@frisurf.no>
> -----
> The endtime concern is inseperable in this case as we are nearing the
> such a decisive moment in mankind's history when the fate of billions
> of people wil be determined once for all the time.
>
detail and encompasses a lot. There's the arrival which is the
beginning of the end where Christ takes his kingly position at the
culmination of the Gentile Times (and encompasses the whole panorama
of the bad times and all of the physical prophecies on earth while
earth's societies are still functioning..Rev. 12, Matt. 24, Luke 21,
Mark 13). That's a parousia. There's the end of the end which is
Telos, which is the Great Tribulation and Armageddon times. Then
there's a beginning and end in the 1,000 year reign of Jesus and his
Priesthood. 1914 has always been a fixture in Jehovah's Witness
history as it is aligned with the prophecies of Daniel and the End of
the Gentiles of Luke 21. 2,520 years and calculated just as one would
calculate the 70 Weeks of Years prophecy of Dan. 9. As far as your
120 years, I would tend to look at if if it were applicable from 1914
forward rather than backwards. Just my opinion. As far as the 2,520
years a lot depends on what is calculated as when Babylon overthrew
Israel as a nation which JW's have as 607 B.C. Some have that as 586
or 587 B.C. I believe.
CJ
Carl Mosely
curtjester1 says...
>
>On Nov 27, 12:01=A0pm, "OB...@aol.com" <OB...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 27, 11:37 am, "~.^.Saba Gracile.^.~" <veron...@frisurf.no>
>> -----
>> Read the Bible it is the only book where we can read about the end of
>> the world the right way .And the true christianity at the beginning
>> was already preoccupied with the subject of the endtimes.
>>
>> It is unimaginable if we live near the end of the end-time era that
>> true christians would not be preoccupied with the imminent end and
>> knew nothing about the time when the end is going to take place.
>> Read the story of Noah how he was building the ark and the Flood could
>> destruction would come.
>
>I do think it's important that there were dates that were counted on
>in the past and as far as prophecy, Daniel's book. By a king's
>dominion and counting they were able to discern in precise year's
>Christ's arrival, death and resurrection some 600 years in advance.
>Numbers are given for the dream and tree prophecy as well for the time
>of the end, and if one chooses not to apply them, then how can they go
>about saying one's religion or one who has made a stab at the
>interpretation doesn't have the correct date of the beginning of the
>time of the end?
Prove that Jerusalem was sacked in 607 BCE. You are a university professor, ask
your peers about that date. Find out how pivotal that date is to the doomsday
cult. No university, archaeologist, or ancient historian agrees with that date.
>I think when the Gospel says that it would be "a
>generation', and to be alert (Luke 21:36) that we should do just
>that.
Ever hear of the "Millions" campaign? Rutherford said millions then living
would never die. Wrong, wasn't he? What about the generation of 1914? The
world would end before that generation passed away. Didn't happen, did it?
Russel predicted the end in 1914. Didn't happen, did it? Rutherford predicted
the end in 1925. Didn't happen then either, did it?
>If this is 'not the generation' prior to Christ's kingdom on
>earth, then can anyone give an answer to as why or why not?
The answer is, it doesn't matter. It is a tactic used by cults to recruit new
members and to hold on to their current members.
Carl Mosely
curtjester1 says...
>
>As far as the 2,520
>years a lot depends on what is calculated as when Babylon overthrew
>Israel as a nation which JW's have as 607 B.C. Some have that as 586
>or 587 B.C. I believe.
The 607 was not based on historical or archaeological evidence. It was
calculated by counting backwards while assuming that the Bible's dates are
literal. It is not based on historical or archaeological evidence; it is based
on Biblical interpretation by poorly educated laymen.
You have research access at your university. Check it out.
curtjester1
> In article <8b2352eb-dcc7-4e85-9c8c-6f66e21e6...@l35g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
any books on the subject other than the Daniel Book by the JW's
printed in the 2000's and I don't have it here. I doubt University
folk or archaelogists would have any vested interest in the
preciseness of that if they weren't Biblically interested to begin
with.
> >I think when the Gospel says that it would be "a
> >generation', and to be alert (Luke 21:36) that we should do just
> >that.
>
> Ever hear of the "Millions" campaign? Rutherford said millions then living
> would never die. Wrong, wasn't he? What about the generation of 1914? The
> world would end before that generation passed away. Didn't happen, did it?
> Russel predicted the end in 1914. Didn't happen, did it? Rutherford predicted
> the end in 1925. Didn't happen then either, did it?
>
Who cares? The dates that are generally given are only 20 years off
and definitely would be in the last generation of Biblical prophecy.
> >If this is 'not the generation' prior to Christ's kingdom on
> >earth, then can anyone give an answer to as why or why not?
>
> The answer is, it doesn't matter. It is a tactic used by cults to recruit new
> members and to hold on to their current members.- Hide quoted text -
>
Ridiculous. It was a date given by the Bible Students well before it
came about.
CJ
> - Show quoted text -
curtjester1
> In article <66de6587-9f79-4391-bf71-d9a87e704...@s19g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
Here is what has been bantered about. Your link lacks any objective
stance.
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Jehovah-s-Witness-1617/2009/7/587-607.htm
CJ
Tom
> By the name watchtower they are the legimate off-spring of the
> International Bible Students who before them restored the lost true
> christian religion.
>
There was never any "true" christian religion to "restore,"
because Christianity was always a fake and a fraud and a farce,
just a nasty, sleazy, shabby, slimy little sex scandal:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sex Scandal
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dddp6bt4_110dhnm97fv
curtjester1
> On Nov 25, 4:30 am, "OB...@aol.com" <OB...@aol.com> wrote:> By the name watchtower they are the legimate off-spring of the
> > International Bible Students who before them restored the lost true
> > christian religion.
>
>
> There was never any "true" christian religion to "restore,"
> because Christianity was always a fake and a fraud and a farce,
> just a nasty, sleazy, shabby, slimy little sex scandal:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Sex Scandalhttp://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dddp6bt4_110dhnm97fv
I do believe you will find sex and scandals outside of all aspects of
religious societies. I think it was the Roman society at the birth of
Christianity that had age of consent for females as low as seven years
old. And your site doesn't help your misguided attempt to culpritize
your theory as Solomon was known to have been coerced to give
allegience to other gods by his wives. Solomon is not noted in the
Hebrews chapter of people of Noted Faith either. The after Christ
Scriptures are quite adamant on marriage and chaste behavior for
virgins. I definitely think you have found a wrong tree to bark at.
CJ
curtjester1
>
> - Show quoted text -
More on Pro-607.
http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/607/
CJ
Carl Mosely
curtjester1 says...
>
>
>I am not a Professor BTW
You teach at Vilnius University. You hold advanced degrees in physics and
mathematics.
Why are you being dishonest? You have numerous web pages with your altered
photos of nude women and penises. You are the typical Jehovah's Witness
hypocrite.
Carl Mosely
curtjester1 says...
>
>On Nov 29, 1:52=A0pm, Carl Mosely <Carl_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> In article <66de6587-9f79-4391-bf71-d9a87e704...@s19g2000vbm.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>> curtjester1 says...
>>
>>
>>
>> >As far as the 2,520
>> >years a lot depends on what is calculated as when Babylon overthrew
>> >or 587 B.C. I believe.
>>
>> calculated by counting backwards while assuming that the Bible's dates ar=
>e
>> literal. =A0It is not based on historical or archaeological evidence; it =
>is based
>> on Biblical interpretation by poorly educated laymen.
>>
>>
>> http://www.607v587.com/
>
>Here is what has been bantered about. Your link lacks any objective
>stance.
>
>http://en.allexperts.com/q/Jehovah-s-Witness-1617/2009/7/587-607.htm
Did you even bother to read it? I offered you a site where a man took great
effort to try to prove that the 607 date was correct yet he could find not even
one scholar, historian, or archaeologist to agree with that date.
What you come up with is a couple of laymen trying to interpret the Bible and
even they can't agree on anything.
Carl Mosely
>any books on the subject other than the Daniel Book by the JW's
>printed in the 2000's and I don't have it here.
No wonder you can't discuss this intelligently.
>Ridiculous. It was a date given by the Bible Students well before it
>came about.
What date? 1914? That was the date of the end. We're still here, aren't we?
You can pick any date after the fact and say that something happened on that
date.
Carl Mosely
curtjester1 says...
>
>On Nov 29, 2:17=A0pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 29, 1:52=A0pm, Carl Mosely <Carl_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > In article <66de6587-9f79-4391-bf71-d9a87e704...@s19g2000vbm.googlegrou=
>ps.com>,
>> > curtjester1 says...
>>
>> > >As far as the 2,520
>> > >years a lot depends on what is calculated as when Babylon overthrew
>6
>> > >or 587 B.C. I believe.
>>
>as
>> > calculated by counting backwards while assuming that the Bible's dates =
>are
>> > literal. =A0It is not based on historical or archaeological evidence; i=
>t is based
>> > on Biblical interpretation by poorly educated laymen.
>>
>>
>> >http://www.607v587.com/
>>
>> Here is what has been bantered about. =A0Your link lacks any objective
>> stance.
>>
>> http://en.allexperts.com/q/Jehovah-s-Witness-1617/2009/7/587-607.htm
>>
>> CJ- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>More on Pro-607.
>
>http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/607/
Did you bother to read it? This is what it said:
"We did not set out to examine the secular evidence..."
So, there you have it, Doctor. They didn't even bother to examine the facts -
they just did laymen Biblical interpretations. There are no Biblical scholars
that are Jehovah's Witnesses. Knowledgeable people wouldn't fall for that
nonsense.
OB...@aol.com
---You don't listen to Open Forum ! Harold Camping can explain you
that about Egypt .
Read Revelation 11 about two witnesses whose bodies are on the streets
of Egypt where our Lord was crucified !
Jesus was not crucified in Egypt .He was crucified in apostate Israel
who rejected him.The city Jerusalem is called Egypt .
And the same Jerusalem today is represented by all nominal christian
churches !
This Jerusalem is waste as it doesn't have any good standing with God
of the Bible.
curtjester1
> In article <07ed02dc-8898-4f7a-976e-472989548...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Why are you a troll and engaging in criminal behavior? I have never
had a secular teaching job, nor have I been to Europe.
CJ
curtjester1
> In article <95e18016-f8b8-4b57-95c7-8f8ce85d6...@c34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
You offered a page from a known apostate and it didn't give any
discussion, only rail yammering. Anyway, you or anyone has to
dismantle the thinking that 607 B.C is the start of the desolation of
Jerusalem, and that if one is a '587'er' then the desolation only
could last mathematically, 50 years. Why didn't you want to read and
comment on it?
http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/607/
CJ
curtjester1
> In article <07ed02dc-8898-4f7a-976e-472989548...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> curtjester1 says...
>
>
>
> >I don't have access to
> >any books on the subject other than the Daniel Book by the JW's
> >printed in the 2000's and I don't have it here.
>
> No wonder you can't discuss this intelligently.
You haven't made one statement personally.
>
> >Ridiculous. It was a date given by the Bible Students well before it
> >came about.
>
> What date? 1914? That was the date of the end. We're still here, aren't we?
>
1914 based on the chronology that wasn't 587 B.C. long before it was
populur or possible to construe to fit a theory.
> You can pick any date after the fact and say that something happened on that
> date.
But 587 B.C. was never in the cards.
CJ
curtjester1
> In article <1c2adf1b-a83a-4dc7-a26a-8aa35df6e...@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
Why would one discuss a topic with a slanderer that hasn't given one
iota of personal backing for his conjecture? Does casting ones pearls
before swine ring a sound bell for anyone?
CJ
Carl Mosely
curtjester1 says...
>
>On Nov 29, 9:08=A0pm, Carl Mosely <Carl_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> In article <07ed02dc-8898-4f7a-976e-472989548...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>> curtjester1 says...
>>
>>
>>
>> >I am not a Professor BTW
>>
>and
>> mathematics.
>>
>> Why are you being dishonest? =A0You have numerous web pages with your alt=
>ered
>> photos of nude women and penises. =A0You are the typical Jehovah's Witnes=
>s
>> hypocrite.
>
>Why are you a troll and engaging in criminal behavior? I have never
>had a secular teaching job, nor have I been to Europe.
is a lie.
You are Doctor Algirdas Javtokas who uses the screen name of Nigel Tomm.
Here you are acting like a court jester using the name Nigel Tomm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL8nyRY7RCk
Here you are with a woman on the beach:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSiZ7yl2VE8
This is some of your work, Doctor:
http://thedirtysocial.blogspot.com/2009/08/nigel-tommnude-amateur-sexy-teen.html
curtjester1
> In article <0434433b-8755-47c4-8ae8-cbc9e1f3e...@g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
> curtjester1 says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Nov 29, 9:08=A0pm, Carl Mosely <Carl_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >> In article <07ed02dc-8898-4f7a-976e-472989548...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups=
> >.com>,
> >> curtjester1 says...
>
> >> >I am not a Professor BTW
>
> >> You teach at Vilnius University. =A0You hold advanced degrees in physics =
> >and
> >> mathematics.
>
> >> Why are you being dishonest? =A0You have numerous web pages with your alt=
> >ered
> >> photos of nude women and penises. =A0You are the typical Jehovah's Witnes=
> >s
> >> hypocrite.
>
> >Why are you a troll and engaging in criminal behavior? I have never
> >had a secular teaching job, nor have I been to Europe.
>
inherit the kingdom, and well we see your bent on the immoral as well.
8 “But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers
and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their
part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is
the second death.”
Last you'll hear from me, and may the groups be forewarned.
CJ
> You are living proof, Doctor, of how Jehovah's Witnesses lie. Their whole cult
> is a lie.
>
> You are Doctor Algirdas Javtokas who uses the screen name of Nigel Tomm.
>
> Here you are acting like a court jester using the name Nigel Tomm:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL8nyRY7RCk
>
> Here you are with a woman on the beach:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSiZ7yl2VE8
>
> This is some of your work, Doctor:
>
> http://thedirtysocial.blogspot.com/2009/08/nigel-tommnude-amateur-sex...- Hide quoted text -
duke
>On Nov 27, 11:37?am, "~.^.Saba Gracile.^.~" <veron...@frisurf.no>
Not even Jesus knew the time or the date.
The Dukester, American-American
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Noah never lived. You cannot prove he did. It is scientifically impossible
for the flood to have occurred as the Bible says. And the Bible is a fiction
book. Even if Noah did build an ark, he didn't have to know when the flood
was going to happen. That ark could have sat there for 40 years for all you
know. It was way too small to hold the necessary animals and don't use the
"kinds" argument, it doesn't work. You let WT editors write articles about
fiction and most of them have no college. "The blind leading the blind." How
fitting.
duke
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:01:11 -0800 (PST), "OB...@aol.com" <OB...@aol.com>
>wrote:
>>
>> >On Nov 27, 11:37?am, "~.^.Saba Gracile.^.~" <veron...@frisurf.no>
>> >-----
>> >Read the Bible it is the only book where we can read about the end of
>> >the world the right way .And the true christianity at the beginning
>> >was already preoccupied with the subject of the endtimes.
>> >
>> >It is unimaginable if we live near the end of the end-time era that
>> >true christians would not be preoccupied with the imminent end and
>> >knew nothing about the time when the end is going to take place.
>> >Read the story of Noah how he was building the ark and the Flood could
>> >not happen until Ark was ready .Noah could know the time when the
>> >destruction would come.
>>
>> Not even Jesus knew the time or the date.
>>
>> The Dukester, American-American
>> *****
>> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>> Pope Paul VI
>> *****
>Noah never lived. You cannot prove he did. It is scientifically impossible
>for the flood to have occurred as the Bible says.
Your words I can agree with, but there is no proof of that.
The bible researchers openly state that Gen 1-11 is not a scientific accounting
of God's creation of the universe and of mankind, but instead Israel's faith
statement thereof. Genesis, at least 1-11, were written after 2 Kings.
So can we say that, in the 4.5 billion year history of the earth, there was no
"global flood". No, not with any assurance.
> And the Bible is a fiction book.
Actually, Gen 12 thru Revelations is historical.
>How fitting.
Then stop it.
OB...@aol.com
You ignore the fact that it is God Yahweh that gives wisdom to His
people .
If scholars you put trust in are so good so why Catholic scholars will
not agree with Prostestant scholars .A catholic scholar will explain
the Bible that fits ctholic religion ,a protestant scholar will
explain the Bible that fits potestant religion.
Jeff
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http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/607/
CJ
NO we don't have to do anything. YOU are the one making the claim, you prove
607 is true. 587 is already proven. Again, you call names when cornered.
Apostate is the favorite one of the WT. Well, you are nothing but a
baby-raping cult. Read Silent Lambs. You are all pigs. Not one non-JW
scholar accepts 607. JW's will lie, cheat, sell their mothers, and let kids
get molested just to win an argument. I hope you burn in hell.
OB...@aol.com
---
There is a man on radio Harold Camping of the Family Radio Stations
you call him 1-800-322-5385 on a weekday 8.30-10 PM EST USA and tell
him there was no Noah and no Flood .
OB...@aol.com
---
The basic date is in actuality for counting 70 weeks and 7 weeks of
Daniel 9 is 587 BC !
Harold Camping of the Family Radio Stations who came up with the date
11 013 BC as the beginning time for mankind confirms with his timeline
the date 587 BC .
587 BC + 7 times as 2520 years + 70 years ( the second part of 70
weeks as I had explained numerously on many previous occasions ) =
2004 AD.
7 times hides 2520 days ( 7 years ) and 2520 years so we can add extra
7 years to 2004 AD to get 2011 AD .
duke
>If the date 1914 AD is mentioned in prophesies what religion is
>associated with that ?
If the date 33AD is mentioned in scripture, which religious faith is associated
with that?
How Old Is Your Church?
If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex- monk
of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.
If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry
VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the
right to remarry.
If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in
the year 1560.
If you are a Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the
Church of England founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th
century.
If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in
Holland in 1582.
If you are a Methodist, your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in
England in 1744.
If you are a Unitarian, Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in
1774.
If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in
Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829.
If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who
launched it in Amsterdam in 1605.
If you are of the Dutch Reformed church, you recognize Michaelis Jones as
founder, because he originated your religion in New York in 1628.
If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in
London in 1865.
If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your
religion was born and to Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.
If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as 'Church of the
Nazarene," "Pentecostal Gospel." "Holiness Church," "Pilgrim Holiness Church,"
"Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded
by men within the past century.
If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by
Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.
Seon Ferguson
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If your talking about that verse in Matthew read what comes AFTER it Matthew
16:21: From that time, Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to
Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders, chief priests, and
scribes, and be killed, and the third day be raised up. 22 Peter took him
aside, and began to rebuke him, saying, "Far be it from you, Lord! This will
never be done to you." 23 But he turned, and said to Peter, "Get behind me,
Satan! You are a stumbling-block to me, for you are not setting your mind on
the things of God, but on the things of men." WEB
duke
I have no idea why you brought up these verses, but ok.
Seon Ferguson
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You said Jesus funded the Catholic church. Well he also said that about the
first pope. Use your brain for once.
Wild Bill
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Seon, if you haven't figured out already, you'll soon discover that duke has
an annoying habit of putting his typing fingers in motion before he gets his
brain in gear!
Rob
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Most scholars believe that Peter never set foot in Italy. He was sent 500
miles east to Babylon and other lands. There's no proof Peter was a pope at
all, much less the first one.
Seon Ferguson
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>
I have observed that with Duke as well. He just believes whatever he is told
by the republicans or the Bible.
Seon Ferguson
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There's no proof Jesus even existed.
Rob
Correct. No proof. "If the date 1914 is mentioned, what religion comes to
mind?" Yes, JW's, but I wouldn't boast about that. Where the name Hitler and
the place Dachau come to mind, who do we think of? Not something good or
sane, do we? Bragging about 1914 is admitting one of many failed prophecies.
Only losers would brag about 1914 with pride. Actually, Russell said the
world would END in 1914, and not that a generation would BEGIN then. They
lied as usually years later and said they predicted WW One. Not true. JW's
should remember that Revelation says liars will be burned in the lake of
fire. Yet all JW's DO is lie.
Seon Ferguson
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Yeah and if you tell them about it they will say the founder was a demon or
whatever. They are so brainwashed.
Wild Bill
Actually, he believes what the Catholic Church tells him...he doesn't
believe everything the Bible says. However, he's as brainwashed as they
come!
duke
No, I said Jesus **founded** the Catholic Church. And If you will review
scripture, you'll see he gave his Church on earth the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments,
and the Papacy. Now if you look further, the RCC is the ONLY Church that
possesses all these characteristics.
duke
Founded, not funded.
duke
>Most scholars believe that Peter never set foot in Italy. He was sent 500
>miles east to Babylon and other lands.
He's buried there under St. Peter's.
> There's no proof Peter was a pope at
>all, much less the first one.
He received his appointment in Jerusalem directly from Jesus in AD33. Mat
16:13-20.
duke
>There's no proof Jesus even existed.
There's no proof you have thoughts.
duke
>> There's no proof Jesus even existed.
>Correct. No proof.
But just a whole hell of a lot of evidence.
duke
>I have observed that with Duke as well. He just believes whatever he is told
>by the republicans or the Bible.
Then that means you believe every thing you are told by the 'rats and satan.
duke
What the RCC tells me can also be found in the New Testament.
Wild Bill
Which is a totally unreliable document filled with contradictions,
inconsistencies and errors of fact...but you knew that didn't you, duke!?
Wild Bill
Jesus founded no religion, certainly not the Christian faith. A number of
anonymous writers of the New Testament in the second and third century put
many words into Jesus' mouth to conform to church doctrine. Bart D. Ehrman
chairs the department of religious studies at the University of North
Carolina, Chapel Hill. A leading authority on the early church and the life
of Jesus, he is the author of twenty books. Among them is "Misquoting Jesus,
The story behind who changed the Bible and why." I suggest you get a copy
and read it, duke.
Seon Ferguson
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:10:37 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>There's no proof Jesus even existed.
>
> There's no proof you have thoughts.
>
>
No dork, that's you. You don't think anything unless the Bible or the
republican party tell you that's so.
Seon Ferguson
"Wild Bill" <bils...@daytonwa.net> wrote in message
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That's just as bad as the JW. Maybe he hasn't even read the Bible.
Seon Ferguson
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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And if you looked further you would see he said that verse I posted about
the first pope. Wake up.
Seon Ferguson
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:10:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>I have observed that with Duke as well. He just believes whatever he is
>>told
>>by the republicans or the Bible.
>
> Then that means you believe every thing you are told by the 'rats and
> satan.
>
>
Lol a grown man who still believes in the boogieman. How pathetic. Satan
doesn't exist. I think for myself. I don't blindly believe everything some
men in frocks say.
Elijahovah
The IBSA was never a legal name before 1914.
in fact the WatchTower was not in NYC,
the corp in NYC was People's Pulpit and changed to WatchTower.
The WatchTower rules like mother Mary, like mother Jerusalem,
like mother cities having synagog schools etc.... the temple is
our queen not its attached watchtower that is built to protect it.
this will always be the case, the watchtower will be destroyed
and the temple queen will not because she is the bride the Lamb
who no takes away the sin of the world.
ONLY and ONLY John the Baptizer who is Elijah would be declaring
the same course for the bride that John kept declaring would
be Jesus course. John called Jesus the Lamb before Jesus was
convinced how he would be and when he would be. So too Charles Taze
Russell
and I myself are the only two who have grathered the bride as the
Lamb.
He gathers the last of the bride so they are one collected feet
waiting to join the body,
and I set up the altar for WatchTower Judas who sits next to the Lamb
to
get insulted by the Lamb and greedy at the fear of losing his monetary
chair next
to the Lamb which ends when the Lamb dies. I prepare the Lamb just as
I now'
know that is what Jehovah meant when in prayer to end my life in 1983
or extend it by proving that my adversaries are everywhere outside the
Hall
and inside the Hall lying about me and using the bride as their claim
that
my insubordination is to the bride not them as Eli or Eli's sons or as
Jonathan's insubordination to Saul by defending words of David.
My very words from my mouth that evening were that I would not only do
nothing against the bride regarding her purpose to be wife to Jesus
but that I would even die for her to ascend and go to her final
destination to carry out end's purpose.
ONLY I fulfill this because with the spirit of Russell in heaven i
finish what Jesus started thru him.
Jesus finishes thru me what Jesus started with Russell, and onlhy the
bride will see that we
I and Russell are positive that Jesus regards his bride and wife as
part of the blood sacrifice
where flesh and blood must be lost to become spirit in heaven, and
that this must happen before
asteroid impact or the bride has no marriage nor power to save her
great crowd of children.
Jesus died to save his wife, his wife dies to save her children.
The whole world of everyone dead becomes saved then by that family of
three,
It is too simple to see. Obstinance is what blinds it.
Seon Ferguson
"Wild Bill" <bils...@daytonwa.net> wrote in message
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The only book puke would read is the Bible. There is no evidence the NT or
even the OT was written by the people who Christians claim wrote them. But
that's ok with Dork, he doesn't think for himself anyway and accuses other
of doing what he is doing.
duke
>
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:t1anj5t46jbscnvtd...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:10:37 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>There's no proof Jesus even existed.
>>
>> There's no proof you have thoughts.
>No dork, that's you. You don't think anything unless the Bible or the
>republican party tell you that's so.
Well, that's 2 ace sources of information and truth.
duke
>> What the RCC tells me can also be found in the New Testament.
>Which is a totally unreliable document filled with contradictions,
>inconsistencies and errors of fact...but you knew that didn't you, duke!?
It's all about God's plans for mankind and the salvation of his soul. Too bad
you have volunteered to ignore yours.
duke
>
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:t4anj5tlgloh7mbhq...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:10:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I have observed that with Duke as well. He just believes whatever he is
>>>told
>>>by the republicans or the Bible.
>>
>> Then that means you believe every thing you are told by the 'rats and
>> satan.
>>
>>
>Lol a grown man who still believes in the boogieman. How pathetic. Satan
>doesn't exist. I think for myself. I don't blindly believe everything some
>men in frocks say.
Cool. Will you be able to grant yourself eternal salvation, or will you have to
settle for an eternity in the fires of hell?
duke
>> No, I said Jesus **founded** the Catholic Church. And If you will review
>> scripture, you'll see he gave his Church on earth the Holy Mass, 7
>> sacraments,
>> and the Papacy. Now if you look further, the RCC is the ONLY Church that
>> possesses all these characteristics.
>Jesus founded no religion, certainly not the Christian faith. A number of
>anonymous writers of the New Testament in the second and third century put
>many words into Jesus' mouth to conform to church doctrine.
> Bart D. Ehrman
>chairs the department of religious studies at the University of North
>Carolina, Chapel Hill. A leading authority on the early church and the life
>of Jesus, he is the author of twenty books. Among them is "Misquoting Jesus,
>The story behind who changed the Bible and why." I suggest you get a copy
>and read it, duke.
But the Catholic Church with the Pope was there in AD33. I'll stick with them.
I suggest you get a copy of "Unabridged Christianity" by Fr. Mario P. Romero. He
knows it all.
duke
>> No, I said Jesus **founded** the Catholic Church. And If you will review
>> scripture, you'll see he gave his Church on earth the Holy Mass, 7
>> sacraments,
>> and the Papacy. Now if you look further, the RCC is the ONLY Church that
>> possesses all these characteristics.
>And if you looked further you would see he said that verse I posted about
>the first pope. Wake up.
The Papacy forms a continuous line of church officials presenting the unchanging
truth of Jesus Christ for 2000 years now.
duke
>The only book puke would read is the Bible. There is no evidence the NT or
>even the OT was written by the people who Christians claim wrote them.
What does that have to do with it? What difference does it make if Harry wrote
the Gospel of John?
Wild Bill
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:04:47 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:t1anj5t46jbscnvtd...@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:10:37 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>There's no proof Jesus even existed.
>>>
>>> There's no proof you have thoughts.
>
>>No dork, that's you. You don't think anything unless the Bible or the
>>republican party tell you that's so.
>
> Well, that's 2 ace sources of information and truth.
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahah! Getting truth from those two sources is
like pulling hen's teeth, dukey...snicker, snort.
Wild Bill
Wow! I don't believe in coincidence, but I used to know Fr. Mario
personally. He was a priest in residence at St. Peter's Church in Portland,
Oregon in the early 1980's. A really nice guy, but he doesn't know it all! I
knew he had written a book, but didn't know the title. I will obtain a copy
and read it, and let you know what I think.
Seon Ferguson
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:04:47 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:t1anj5t46jbscnvtd...@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:10:37 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>There's no proof Jesus even existed.
>>>
>>> There's no proof you have thoughts.
>
>>No dork, that's you. You don't think anything unless the Bible or the
>>republican party tell you that's so.
>
> Well, that's 2 ace sources of information and truth.
>
Lol you just proved my point. You have never had a original thought in your
head in your life. You just believe what other people tell you to believe.
But I guess some people just don't like thinking for themselves. It's a
shame even though we don't know each other I still feel sorry that you let
other people think for you.
Seon Ferguson
"Wild Bill" <bils...@daytonwa.net> wrote in message
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>
> "duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:5bnpj5l55qpv3tt7r...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:04:47 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:t1anj5t46jbscnvtd...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:10:37 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>There's no proof Jesus even existed.
>>>>
>>>> There's no proof you have thoughts.
>>
>>>No dork, that's you. You don't think anything unless the Bible or the
>>>republican party tell you that's so.
>>
>> Well, that's 2 ace sources of information and truth.
>
> Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahah! Getting truth from those two sources is
> like pulling hen's teeth, dukey...snicker, snort.
>>
I'll bet he watches fox news. I do but just for entertainment. He probably
thinks it really is fair and balanced.
Seon Ferguson
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:06:42 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:t4anj5tlgloh7mbhq...@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:10:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I have observed that with Duke as well. He just believes whatever he is
>>>>told
>>>>by the republicans or the Bible.
>>>
>>> Then that means you believe every thing you are told by the 'rats and
>>> satan.
>>>
>>>
>>Lol a grown man who still believes in the boogieman. How pathetic. Satan
>>doesn't exist. I think for myself. I don't blindly believe everything some
>>men in frocks say.
>
> Cool. Will you be able to grant yourself eternal salvation, or will you
> have to
> settle for an eternity in the fires of hell?
>
There is no need for salvation because that is a concept made up by
Christians to make us feel guilty and there is no hell. I can't believe a
grown man like you would believe when we die some people will be poked by
pitch forks by little devils in pajamas.
Seon Ferguson
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:20:03 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>The only book puke would read is the Bible. There is no evidence the NT or
>>even the OT was written by the people who Christians claim wrote them.
>
> What does that have to do with it? What difference does it make if Harry
> wrote
> the Gospel of John?
>
None of them knew Jesus. No one who knew Jesus wrote anything about him. I
think John wrote the gospel of John but not John the disciple...
Seon Ferguson
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:07:48 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> No, I said Jesus **founded** the Catholic Church. And If you will
>>> review
>>> scripture, you'll see he gave his Church on earth the Holy Mass, 7
>>> sacraments,
>>> and the Papacy. Now if you look further, the RCC is the ONLY Church
>>> that
>>> possesses all these characteristics.
>
>>And if you looked further you would see he said that verse I posted about
>>the first pope. Wake up.
>
> The Papacy forms a continuous line of church officials presenting the
> unchanging
> truth of Jesus Christ for 2000 years now.
>
>
Wild Bill
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:07:48 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> No, I said Jesus **founded** the Catholic Church. And If you will
>>> review
>>> scripture, you'll see he gave his Church on earth the Holy Mass, 7
>>> sacraments,
>>> and the Papacy. Now if you look further, the RCC is the ONLY Church
>>> that
>>> possesses all these characteristics.
>
>>And if you looked further you would see he said that verse I posted about
>>the first pope. Wake up.
>
> The Papacy forms a continuous line of church officials presenting the
> unchanging
> truth of Jesus Christ for 2000 years now.
From "Holy Horrors" by James A. Haught.
Corruption in the dedieval Catholic hierarchy was infamous.
Pope John XII openly had love affairs, gave church treasure to a mistress,
castrated one opponent, blinded another, and donned armor to lead an army.
Benedict IX sold the Papacy to a succesor for 1,500 pounds of gold.
Urban VI tortured and murdered his cardinals.
Innocent VIII proudly acknowledged khis illegitimate children and loaded
them with church riches.
Pope Boniface VII, whose name is omitted from official church listings,
murdered two rival popes in the 10th century
Sergius III likewise killed two rivals for the papal throne
Benedict V dishonored a young girl and fled with the Vatican treasury
Clement VI sported with mistresses on ermine bed-linens
Boniface VIII sent troops to kill every resident of Palestrina and raze the
city.
Clement VII, while a papal legate, similarly ordered the slaughter of
Cesena's 8,000 people including the children.
Alexander VI bought the papacy by bribing cardinals to elect him--then
hosted sex orgies attended by his illegitimate children, Cesare and Lucrezia
Borgia
Such an impressive track record for your papacy, duke...;)
duke
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:5bnpj5l55qpv3tt7r...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:04:47 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:t1anj5t46jbscnvtd...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:10:37 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>There's no proof Jesus even existed.
>>>>
>>>> There's no proof you have thoughts.
>>
>>>No dork, that's you. You don't think anything unless the Bible or the
>>>republican party tell you that's so.
>>
>> Well, that's 2 ace sources of information and truth.
>
>Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahah! Getting truth from those two sources is
>like pulling hen's teeth, dukey...snicker, snort.
Being a 'rat atheist is 3 strikes, you're out.
duke
>>>No dork, that's you. You don't think anything unless the Bible or the
>>>republican party tell you that's so.
>> Well, that's 2 ace sources of information and truth.
>Lol you just proved my point. You have never had a original thought in your
>head in your life. You just believe what other people tell you to believe.
But.........what do you believe, and why is it truthful?
>But I guess some people just don't like thinking for themselves.
Thinking for myself is why I am where I am. And I wouldn't be in your shoes
for all the tea in China.
>It's a
>shame even though we don't know each other I still feel sorry that you let
>other people think for you.
You need to convince me that your way is better.
duke
>
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:cgnpj5pp24mmidl9r...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:06:42 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:t4anj5tlgloh7mbhq...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:10:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I have observed that with Duke as well. He just believes whatever he is
>>>>>told
>>>>>by the republicans or the Bible.
>>>>
>>>> Then that means you believe every thing you are told by the 'rats and
>>>> satan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Lol a grown man who still believes in the boogieman. How pathetic. Satan
>>>doesn't exist. I think for myself. I don't blindly believe everything some
>>>men in frocks say.
>>
>> Cool. Will you be able to grant yourself eternal salvation, or will you
>> have to
>> settle for an eternity in the fires of hell?
>There is no need for salvation because that is a concept made up by
>Christians to make us feel guilty and there is no hell.
Can you support that statement, or are you just spouting bravado?
duke
>
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:20:03 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>The only book puke would read is the Bible. There is no evidence the NT or
>>>even the OT was written by the people who Christians claim wrote them.
>>
>> What does that have to do with it? What difference does it make if Harry
>> wrote the Gospel of John?
>None of them knew Jesus.
Yet they're recording what the Christians said that Jesus said and did.
>No one who knew Jesus wrote anything about him. I
>think John wrote the gospel of John but not John the disciple...
Peter, Paul and John the apostle did.
duke
Who knows, it might even be the same Fr. Mario P. Romero.
duke
Yep, but I have no idea what point you're trying to make.
duke
And if you look carefully, you might even find one word of truth in there.
Wild Bill
You disappoint me, duke. You're Catholic and you don't even know your
church's sordid history? Need I mention the Inquistion, Crusades and witch
hunts? And, I gotta believe there are still pedophiles hiding out in the
Catholic Church--it has been a perfect cover for them for decades. You have
allowed that institution to brainwash you completely. That's pathetic!
Seon Ferguson
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:05:31 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>>No dork, that's you. You don't think anything unless the Bible or the
>>>>republican party tell you that's so.
>
>>> Well, that's 2 ace sources of information and truth.
>
>>Lol you just proved my point. You have never had a original thought in
>>your
>>head in your life. You just believe what other people tell you to believe.
>
> But.........what do you believe, and why is it truthful?
>
I don't know what I believe anymore. Both the democrats and republicans have
been caught lying through their teeth. All I believe is we are being lied to
about everything. And that is better because at least were not living with
our heads in the sand. As with religion I don't know but I do know all the
major religions have been made up,
>>But I guess some people just don't like thinking for themselves.
>
> Thinking for myself is why I am where I am. And I wouldn't be in your
> shoes
> for all the tea in China.
>
But now you don't and if fox news says its so you believe them. You don't
look at the facts.
>>It's a
>>shame even though we don't know each other I still feel sorry that you let
>>other people think for you.
>
> You need to convince me that your way is better.
>
>
Well not knowing is not better so I can't really convince you. You may not
think for yourself but at least you know why your here and your purpose. But
at least I am open to the truth and when I discover the truth I won't be
clouded by a mind controlling religion and I won't reject it. And I think
believing in science (what humans can know for sure) is a lot better than
rejecting it and looking like a fool.
Seon Ferguson
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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There is no evidence to support any of the gospel stories or any of
Christianity's claims. And hell being made up to make us feel guilt well
everything I do with my body is a sin and with some people that guilt causes
them to convert to Christianity.
Seon Ferguson
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:08:18 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:0rnpj59ek4djbl9u5...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:20:03 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The only book puke would read is the Bible. There is no evidence the NT
>>>>or
>>>>even the OT was written by the people who Christians claim wrote them.
>>>
>>> What does that have to do with it? What difference does it make if
>>> Harry
>>> wrote the Gospel of John?
>
>>None of them knew Jesus.
>
> Yet they're recording what the Christians said that Jesus said and did.
>
But those Christians didn't know Jesus. How do you know Jesus wasn't just
made up?
>>No one who knew Jesus wrote anything about him. I
>>think John wrote the gospel of John but not John the disciple...
>
> Peter, Paul and John the apostle did.
>
How do we know Peter told Mark the gospel of Mark? if John the apostle wrote
the gospel of John he would have lived to 90. Where is the evidence people
could live that old back then? And as for Paul he saw a vision. That could
be anything.
Seon Ferguson
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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That after Jesus made Peter the leader of the church he debuked him and said
get behind me Satan. Plus Peter denied Jesus 3 times. Hardly the actions I
would want for the first Pope.
OB...@aol.com
---
How Jesus could found the church that is the most twisted form of
christianity that can be easily proven today ?!
duke
>
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:05:31 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>No dork, that's you. You don't think anything unless the Bible or the
>>>>>republican party tell you that's so.
>>
>>>> Well, that's 2 ace sources of information and truth.
>>
>>>Lol you just proved my point. You have never had a original thought in
>>>your
>>>head in your life. You just believe what other people tell you to believe.
>>
>> But.........what do you believe, and why is it truthful?
>I don't know what I believe anymore. Both the democrats and republicans have
>been caught lying through their teeth. All I believe is we are being lied to
>about everything.
So taking the lying out of the equation, who does each group support?
> And that is better because at least were not living with
>our heads in the sand. As with religion I don't know but I do know all the
>major religions have been made up,
I can tell you what the 2000 year old RCC is up to. Jesus gave us a new
command: that we love one another as he loved us.
If you get a better answer from another faith, go for it.
>>>But I guess some people just don't like thinking for themselves.
>> Thinking for myself is why I am where I am. And I wouldn't be in your
>> shoes for all the tea in China.
>But now you don't and if fox news says its so you believe them. You don't
>look at the facts.
Sure I look at the facts.
The Republic_ans believe in god and country. The democrats believe in
individual benefits over country.
The Republic_an voting strength are the seniors, business people, and others
that spent all their lives giving.
The democrat voting strength are the minorities, idealistic youth, gays,
abortion rights activists and those with their hands out for a free gift. No
state in it's right mind would let college students vote in their town. They
are idealistic and won't be around to pay for their silliness.
Better put, a elder giving Republican is a former idealistic youthful democrat.
>> You need to convince me that your way is better.
>Well not knowing is not better so I can't really convince you. You may not
>think for yourself
Now what in the hell do you mean by that? It's thinking why I'm a Republican
and a Catholic.
> but at least you know why your here and your purpose. But
>at least I am open to the truth and when I discover the truth I won't be
>clouded by a mind controlling religion and I won't reject it.
Nor am I.
>And I think believing in science (what humans can know for sure) is a lot better than
>rejecting it and looking like a fool.
Then explain the creation of the universe 13.7 billion years ago.
duke
>>>There is no need for salvation because that is a concept made up by
>>>Christians to make us feel guilty and there is no hell.
>> Can you support that statement, or are you just spouting bravado?
>There is no evidence
Evidence there is, but no proof. And my faith calls for us to love one another
as God loved us.
We have faith, not proof, that there is a God out there calling on humanity to
act like he does in love.
> to support any of the gospel stories or any of
>Christianity's claims. And hell being made up to make us feel guilt well
>everything I do with my body is a sin and with some people that guilt causes
>them to convert to Christianity.
Why are you afraid to believe in love for our fellow man?
duke
>On Dec 30 2009, 2:19?pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
>---
>How Jesus could found the church that is the most twisted form of
>christianity that can be easily proven today ?!
Wow, to love one another is a twisted form for you?
So, I'll tell you what. You revealed "twisted", and I'll address it for you.
But first, you need to address why you JW's deny the divinity of Christ. That's
the first one to be clarified.
duke
>
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:08:18 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:0rnpj59ek4djbl9u5...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:20:03 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The only book puke would read is the Bible. There is no evidence the NT
>>>>>or
>>>>>even the OT was written by the people who Christians claim wrote them.
>>>>
>>>> What does that have to do with it? What difference does it make if
>>>> Harry
>>>> wrote the Gospel of John?
>>
>>>None of them knew Jesus.
>>
>> Yet they're recording what the Christians said that Jesus said and did.
>But those Christians didn't know Jesus. How do you know Jesus wasn't just
>made up?
Peter and Paul and John did. Chrisitianity began to grow by leaps and bounds
when Jesus left. And the Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke recorded what the
new Christians said that Jesus said and did.
>>>No one who knew Jesus wrote anything about him. I
>>>think John wrote the gospel of John but not John the disciple...
>> Peter, Paul and John the apostle did.
>How do we know Peter told Mark the gospel of Mark?
?? The gospels are the comments of the people.
> if John the apostle wrote
>the gospel of John he would have lived to 90.
The gospels were "published" 30 -60 years after Christ. They were prepared in
between.
>here is the evidence people
>could live that old back then? And as for Paul he saw a vision. That could
>be anything.
Why not? No one has ever seen God.
But your point has validity if it wasn't for the call to love one another. If
it was to bow to the king or pay dues, I'd have my own problems.
duke
And???
And....because he was thinking like satan rather than God. Luke 8:33.
> Plus Peter denied Jesus 3 times. Hardly the actions I
>would want for the first Pope.
Then you also don't understand that all men are sinners except Jesus. Heb 4:15.
****
duke
I'm not called to know the history according to the gospel of "Holy Horrors" by
James A. Haught.
> Need I mention the Inquistion, Crusades and witch
>hunts?
Please do. Do you know what the inquisition and crusades were? And did you
know that the protestants in England were major witch hunters.
> And, I gotta believe there are still pedophiles hiding out in the
>Catholic Church
There has been a major house cleaning. The evil habits of a man does not negate
the validity of his spiritual work.
>--it has been a perfect cover for them for decades. You have
>allowed that institution to brainwash you completely. That's pathetic!
But then again, you're sick, so I needn't worry about being pathetic, does it.