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arah
Mar 29, 2012, 1:34:50 PM3/29/12
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Religion of Peace?:
Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn't [Hardcover]
Robert Spencer (Author)
Book Description
Publication Date: July 17, 2007
Christianity or Islam: which is the real "religion of peace"?
Almost any liberal pundit will tell you that there's a religion bent
on destroying our Constitution, stripping us of our liberties, and
imposing religious rule on the U.S. And that religion
is . . .Christianity! About Islam, however, the Left is silent--except
to claim a moral equivalence between the two: if Islam has terrorists
today, that's nothing compared to the Crusades, inquisitions, and
religious wars in Christianity's past.
But is this true? Are conservative Christians really more of a threat
to free societies than Islamic jihadists? Is the Bible really "just as
violent" as the Qur'an? Is Christianity's history really as
bloodstained as Islam's? In Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is and
Islam Isn't, New York Times bestselling author Robert Spencer not only
refutes such charges, but also explains why Americans and Europeans
must regain an appreciation of our Christian heritage if we ever hope
to defeat Islamic supremacism. In this eye opening work, Spencer
reveals:
* The fundamental differences between Islamic and Christian teachings
about warfare against other religions: "Love your enemies" vs. "Be
ruthless to the unbelievers"
* The myth of Western immorality and Islamic puritanism and why the
Islamic world is less moral than the West
* Why the Islamic world has never developed the distinction between
religious and secular law that is inherent in Christianity
* Why Christianity has always embraced reason--and Islam has always
rejected it
* Why the most determined enemies of Western civilization may not be
the jihadists at all, but the leftists who fear their churchgoing
neighbors more than Islamic terrorists
* Why Jews, Christians, and peoples of other faiths (or no faith) are
equally at risk from militant Islam
Spencer writes not to proselytize, but to state a fact: Christianity
is a true "religion of peace," and on it Western civilization stands.
If we are not to perish under Islam's religion of the sword--with its
more than 100 million active jihadists seeking to impose sharia law--
we had better defend our own civilization.
http://www.amazon.com/Religion-Peace-Christianity-Islam-Isnt/dp/1596985151
Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn't [Hardcover]
Robert Spencer (Author)
Book Description
Publication Date: July 17, 2007
Christianity or Islam: which is the real "religion of peace"?
Almost any liberal pundit will tell you that there's a religion bent
on destroying our Constitution, stripping us of our liberties, and
imposing religious rule on the U.S. And that religion
is . . .Christianity! About Islam, however, the Left is silent--except
to claim a moral equivalence between the two: if Islam has terrorists
today, that's nothing compared to the Crusades, inquisitions, and
religious wars in Christianity's past.
But is this true? Are conservative Christians really more of a threat
to free societies than Islamic jihadists? Is the Bible really "just as
violent" as the Qur'an? Is Christianity's history really as
bloodstained as Islam's? In Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is and
Islam Isn't, New York Times bestselling author Robert Spencer not only
refutes such charges, but also explains why Americans and Europeans
must regain an appreciation of our Christian heritage if we ever hope
to defeat Islamic supremacism. In this eye opening work, Spencer
reveals:
* The fundamental differences between Islamic and Christian teachings
about warfare against other religions: "Love your enemies" vs. "Be
ruthless to the unbelievers"
* The myth of Western immorality and Islamic puritanism and why the
Islamic world is less moral than the West
* Why the Islamic world has never developed the distinction between
religious and secular law that is inherent in Christianity
* Why Christianity has always embraced reason--and Islam has always
rejected it
* Why the most determined enemies of Western civilization may not be
the jihadists at all, but the leftists who fear their churchgoing
neighbors more than Islamic terrorists
* Why Jews, Christians, and peoples of other faiths (or no faith) are
equally at risk from militant Islam
Spencer writes not to proselytize, but to state a fact: Christianity
is a true "religion of peace," and on it Western civilization stands.
If we are not to perish under Islam's religion of the sword--with its
more than 100 million active jihadists seeking to impose sharia law--
we had better defend our own civilization.
http://www.amazon.com/Religion-Peace-Christianity-Islam-Isnt/dp/1596985151
Paul Duca
Mar 29, 2012, 10:17:03 PM3/29/12
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On Mar 29, 1:34 pm, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do Muslims follow Jesus Christ more than Christians?
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If Jesus does as little for Muslims as He does for Christians, they're
> Do Muslims follow Jesus Christ more than Christians?
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even weirder than them for doing so.
Paul
arah
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Dr. R. Knapp
Mar 30, 2012, 10:45:47 AM3/30/12
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On Mar 30, 9:46 am, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do Muslims follow Jesus Christ more than Christians?
>
> NO!
> Do Muslims follow Jesus Christ more than Christians?
>
arah
Mar 31, 2012, 11:05:59 AM3/31/12
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Why Muslims follow Jesus more closely than Christians
Pork - Jesus did not eat pork as described in Leviticus 11:7-8: "and
the swine [...] of their flesh you shall not eat". Pork is also
forbidden in the Qur'an, 2:173. Today, Christians eat pork, Muslims do
not.
Blood - Jesus did not eat anything containing blood as described in
Leviticus, 19 "you shall not eat any flesh with the blood in it". The
consumption of blood is also forbidden in the Qur'an, 6:145.
Alcohol - Jesus abstained from alcoholic drinks. In Numbers 6:1-4 it
says "he shall sepertae himself from wine and strong drink". Alcohol
(intoxicants) is also forbidden in the Qur'an, 5:90. Today, Christians
drink alcohol, Muslims do not.
Veiling - The women around Jesus veiled themselves as recorded in
Genesis, 24:64-5: "who is the man yonder, walking in the field to meet
us? The servant said 'it is my master'. So she (Rebekah) took her veil
and covered herself". In the Qur'an, women are instructed to cover
their charms and wear veils, 33:59. Today, Christian women do nto
cover themselves; Muslim women do.
On Mar 30, 5:45 pm, "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
> On Mar 30, 9:46 am, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Do Muslims follow Jesus Christ more than Christians?
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> > NO!- Hide quoted text -
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Pork - Jesus did not eat pork as described in Leviticus 11:7-8: "and
the swine [...] of their flesh you shall not eat". Pork is also
forbidden in the Qur'an, 2:173. Today, Christians eat pork, Muslims do
not.
Blood - Jesus did not eat anything containing blood as described in
Leviticus, 19 "you shall not eat any flesh with the blood in it". The
consumption of blood is also forbidden in the Qur'an, 6:145.
Alcohol - Jesus abstained from alcoholic drinks. In Numbers 6:1-4 it
says "he shall sepertae himself from wine and strong drink". Alcohol
(intoxicants) is also forbidden in the Qur'an, 5:90. Today, Christians
drink alcohol, Muslims do not.
Veiling - The women around Jesus veiled themselves as recorded in
Genesis, 24:64-5: "who is the man yonder, walking in the field to meet
us? The servant said 'it is my master'. So she (Rebekah) took her veil
and covered herself". In the Qur'an, women are instructed to cover
their charms and wear veils, 33:59. Today, Christian women do nto
cover themselves; Muslim women do.
On Mar 30, 5:45 pm, "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
> On Mar 30, 9:46 am, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Do Muslims follow Jesus Christ more than Christians?
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Dr.Frank Crosby
Mar 31, 2012, 2:19:17 PM3/31/12
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trivial practices but rather in His teachings of love,forgiveness and
peace instead of the current Muslim activities of hate,retaliation and
suicide bombings.
arah
Apr 1, 2012, 10:42:52 AM4/1/12
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Dear Dr Frank Crosby.
Can we learn the teaching of Jesus by following blindly what the
Christian leaders are doing? We can't because there are many of them
who abused Children and women. We also cannot learn Islam by what the
muslim are doing. We have to learn from the Qran and Hadith.
Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem
Praise be to Allah. We bear witness that there is only one god who has
no partners beside Him, and we bear witness that Muhammad is His
servant and messenger.
Praise be to Allah who blessed us with the guidance of His prophets
and messengers. Praise be to Allah whose Mercy encompasses everything.
Praise be to Allah who knows our needs and answers our calls and
brings peace to our hearts.
Praise be to Allah who breathed into us of His Spirit and placed the
light of His guidance in our inmost being. Whomever Allah guides, no
one can misguide, and whomever Allah misguides, no one can guide. We
put our trust in Allah and seek His forgiveness, aid, and support.
A man once came to the Prophet (puh) and asked him about the
hereafter. The Prophet asked him, “And what have you prepared for that
time?” The man replied, “Nothing, except that I love Allah and I love
you.” The Prophet (puh) answered him, “You are with the ones you
love.”
The guidance of Islam is the guidance of love. The innate, natural and
ancient religion that is Islam is the religion of love. The Prophet
(puh) came to guide us to love and to make clear the love that is at
the core of all religion. Our purpose as human beings is to
consciously manifest Allah’s love in our lives. This is the most
significant meaning of Khilafa and Ibada that can bring purpose to us
and transform our lives. When we reflect upon the history of the
Prophet (puh) and the spread of his message we will realize that Islam
could not have taken root in the world without the love that filled
the heart of the Prophet and was clearly manifest in his way of
relating and interacting with people that brought out their own deep
and profound love for him. Without this mutual and abiding love, none
of us would be here today. Without this love Islam would not have been
possible.
Today, it seems that we too often hear and read much that is harsh and
heartless about Islam and not enough that is loving and beautiful.
There seems to be too many messages of prejudice, literalism,
legalism, violence, and oppression. The superficiality, ugliness and
darkness that is too prevalent in today’s Islamic discourse is nothing
like what the Prophet brought us.
I would like to share with you part of the first sermon ever given by
the Prophet (puh) in Medina. This is what he had to say to his
companions,
Verily, the best discourse is the Book of Allah. One is truly
successful whose heart Allah has adorned with the love of His Book,
and whom, after living in denial, Allah has caused to enter into
submission to Him, and caused him to prefer His Book above any human
discourse. The Book of Allah is the most beautiful and eloquent of
discourses.
Love that which Allah loves! Love Allah with all your hearts! Grow not
weary of hearing the Word of Allah. Do not stop remembering Him. Do
not let your hearts grow hard toward Him. For verily, Allah has
preferred His Book above all of Creation. Indeed, Allah has endowed it
with guidance to the best of deeds, and made it an example for the
elect of His servants, and filled it with righteous discourse, and has
made clear in it what is lawful and unlawful for you.
So, serve Allah alone, and associate with Him no other. Be ever
conscious of Him. Be truthful to Allah in what you utter from your
mouths. Let the Spirit of Allah be the source of love between you.
Can you hear the love in his words? Can you hear his urgent call to
our hearts? Can you sense the profound purpose in his teaching?
Love is so central to Islam that without it there can be no real
faith. The Quran tells us clearly what following the Prophet is about,
3:31 Say, if you love Allah, then follow me and Allah will love you
greatly and forgive your sins for Allah is forgiving and merciful.
And even more decisively it says to the people of faith that,
5:54 O you who have faith whoever among you turns back from his
religion Allah will surely bring forth a people He loves and who love
Him who are humble before the faithful and exalted before the deniers.
They strive in the way of Allah and fear no blame from any blamers.
This is the favor of Allah, He bestows it on whomever He wills. For
Allah is all-encompassing, all-knowing!
In these two tremendous verses we can understand some remarkable
things. We can understand that faith and faithfulness are defined as
love between God and the people of faith. A Mu’min is one who is
deeply and profoundly in love with God. It is this love that motivates
us to strive, to seek, to turn back to Allah, to give up our worldly
attachments and return to our Rabb. It is this love that gives us the
power and strength to face the various trials of our faith throughout
our lives. It is this love that teaches us humility, compassion,
trust, obedience and honesty. It is this love that enables us to
sacrifice, to give of ourselves and of our possessions for the sake of
God. It is this love that opens us to submission, to Islam. We can
also understand that this relationship of love is a special, precious
gift bestowed by God upon us. Without His will and generosity we would
be heedless of His love in our hearts. We can also understand that the
abandoning of religion in the context of this Ayah is to turn away
from love because the consequence of this abandonment is that God
promises to replace us with people who have this relationship of love
with Him. And we can understand that the way to God’s love is to
follow the Prophet (puh), to be in his footsteps, to strive to be like
him and in this striving our love is made greater and greater by God.
In a Sacred Tradition Allah says,
I was a hidden treasure and I loved to be known so I created heaven
and earth that I may be known.
One of Allah’s names, one of His attributes, is Al Wajid. This word
has several meanings among them is to bring into existence. It also
has the meaning of intense, existential love. Reflecting upon this
divine name, we can see that there is a relationship between love and
creation. And reflecting upon the sacred tradition we can see that
God’s love to be known is the primary reason for creation. In this way
we can come to a truly profound insight; Allah’s love is the very
cause of existence. We are alive today because of His love, the whole
Universe is here because of His love.
The relationship of love between us and Allah, between us and others,
and between us and all of creation is essential to reaching our full
potential as human beings. When we nourish our hearts with love, when
we manifest Allah’s love in our lives; with our families, with our
friends, in our work, in our prayers, in everything that we do, the
entire meaning of life changes for us and our own experience of our
humanness is transformed; we become adorned with the beautiful
characteristics of the Prophet.
This is the meaning of following in the footsteps of the Prophet
(puh); we follow him by adorning ourselves with the qualities of his
noble character. We follow him by striving to become like him in our
humanness, in our quality of relationships, in our conduct in society,
in our service to humanity.
The noble character of the Prophet (puh) has been best explained by
his cousin, Jaffar Ibn Abu Talib, when he was asked by the King of
Abbysinia to explain his religion. Jaffar replied:
We were a people lost in ignorance. We worshipped idols, we back-
stabbed one another in gossip, we committed sins without shame, we
severed the bonds of mercy among us, and we were unkind neighbors. The
strong among us devoured the weak. Thus we were until Allah sent to us
a messenger from among ourselves, well-known to us in his nobility,
honesty, trustworthiness, and tenderness. He called us to unity and to
devoting our worship to Allah alone and to removing the idols from our
hearts. He commanded us to be truthful when we spoke, and to fulfill
our trust, and to preserve the bonds of mercy among us, and to be kind
neighbors, and to desist from violating what is sacred. He called us
to turn back from our sins, and from falsehood, and from devouring the
wealth of orphans, and from defaming honorable women. So we believed
in him and in his message and we followed what he received from his
Lord.
Brothers and sisters, the Sunnah of the Prophet is about the kind of
character that manifests God’s love in existence. His Sunnah is that
which ennobles us, that which transforms us into better human beings.
It’s about becoming kind and tender human beings who are deeply and
profoundly in love with God.
The Prophet’s love, awe, and longing for Allah comes through with
overwhelming clarity when we reflect upon his prayers. Here is just
one example:
O my God, make me love You, make me love those who love You, make me
love all things that bring me closer to loving You. O my God, make me
love You, and Your angels, and Your prophets, and all of Your
creation. O my God, make my love for You dearer to me than myself, and
my family, and my wealth, and my children, and from cool, pure water
to the thirsty.
May Allah bless us with His love, and the love of those who love Him.
May Allah fill our hearts with love. Allah bless Prophet Muhammad, his
family, and companions. Peace be with you and Allah’s mercy.
Continue reading
http://sufism.org/articles/love-in-islam-2
On Mar 31, 9:19 pm, "Dr.Frank Crosby"
> suicide bombings.- Hide quoted text -
Can we learn the teaching of Jesus by following blindly what the
Christian leaders are doing? We can't because there are many of them
who abused Children and women. We also cannot learn Islam by what the
muslim are doing. We have to learn from the Qran and Hadith.
Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem
Praise be to Allah. We bear witness that there is only one god who has
no partners beside Him, and we bear witness that Muhammad is His
servant and messenger.
Praise be to Allah who blessed us with the guidance of His prophets
and messengers. Praise be to Allah whose Mercy encompasses everything.
Praise be to Allah who knows our needs and answers our calls and
brings peace to our hearts.
Praise be to Allah who breathed into us of His Spirit and placed the
light of His guidance in our inmost being. Whomever Allah guides, no
one can misguide, and whomever Allah misguides, no one can guide. We
put our trust in Allah and seek His forgiveness, aid, and support.
A man once came to the Prophet (puh) and asked him about the
hereafter. The Prophet asked him, “And what have you prepared for that
time?” The man replied, “Nothing, except that I love Allah and I love
you.” The Prophet (puh) answered him, “You are with the ones you
love.”
The guidance of Islam is the guidance of love. The innate, natural and
ancient religion that is Islam is the religion of love. The Prophet
(puh) came to guide us to love and to make clear the love that is at
the core of all religion. Our purpose as human beings is to
consciously manifest Allah’s love in our lives. This is the most
significant meaning of Khilafa and Ibada that can bring purpose to us
and transform our lives. When we reflect upon the history of the
Prophet (puh) and the spread of his message we will realize that Islam
could not have taken root in the world without the love that filled
the heart of the Prophet and was clearly manifest in his way of
relating and interacting with people that brought out their own deep
and profound love for him. Without this mutual and abiding love, none
of us would be here today. Without this love Islam would not have been
possible.
Today, it seems that we too often hear and read much that is harsh and
heartless about Islam and not enough that is loving and beautiful.
There seems to be too many messages of prejudice, literalism,
legalism, violence, and oppression. The superficiality, ugliness and
darkness that is too prevalent in today’s Islamic discourse is nothing
like what the Prophet brought us.
I would like to share with you part of the first sermon ever given by
the Prophet (puh) in Medina. This is what he had to say to his
companions,
Verily, the best discourse is the Book of Allah. One is truly
successful whose heart Allah has adorned with the love of His Book,
and whom, after living in denial, Allah has caused to enter into
submission to Him, and caused him to prefer His Book above any human
discourse. The Book of Allah is the most beautiful and eloquent of
discourses.
Love that which Allah loves! Love Allah with all your hearts! Grow not
weary of hearing the Word of Allah. Do not stop remembering Him. Do
not let your hearts grow hard toward Him. For verily, Allah has
preferred His Book above all of Creation. Indeed, Allah has endowed it
with guidance to the best of deeds, and made it an example for the
elect of His servants, and filled it with righteous discourse, and has
made clear in it what is lawful and unlawful for you.
So, serve Allah alone, and associate with Him no other. Be ever
conscious of Him. Be truthful to Allah in what you utter from your
mouths. Let the Spirit of Allah be the source of love between you.
Can you hear the love in his words? Can you hear his urgent call to
our hearts? Can you sense the profound purpose in his teaching?
Love is so central to Islam that without it there can be no real
faith. The Quran tells us clearly what following the Prophet is about,
3:31 Say, if you love Allah, then follow me and Allah will love you
greatly and forgive your sins for Allah is forgiving and merciful.
And even more decisively it says to the people of faith that,
5:54 O you who have faith whoever among you turns back from his
religion Allah will surely bring forth a people He loves and who love
Him who are humble before the faithful and exalted before the deniers.
They strive in the way of Allah and fear no blame from any blamers.
This is the favor of Allah, He bestows it on whomever He wills. For
Allah is all-encompassing, all-knowing!
In these two tremendous verses we can understand some remarkable
things. We can understand that faith and faithfulness are defined as
love between God and the people of faith. A Mu’min is one who is
deeply and profoundly in love with God. It is this love that motivates
us to strive, to seek, to turn back to Allah, to give up our worldly
attachments and return to our Rabb. It is this love that gives us the
power and strength to face the various trials of our faith throughout
our lives. It is this love that teaches us humility, compassion,
trust, obedience and honesty. It is this love that enables us to
sacrifice, to give of ourselves and of our possessions for the sake of
God. It is this love that opens us to submission, to Islam. We can
also understand that this relationship of love is a special, precious
gift bestowed by God upon us. Without His will and generosity we would
be heedless of His love in our hearts. We can also understand that the
abandoning of religion in the context of this Ayah is to turn away
from love because the consequence of this abandonment is that God
promises to replace us with people who have this relationship of love
with Him. And we can understand that the way to God’s love is to
follow the Prophet (puh), to be in his footsteps, to strive to be like
him and in this striving our love is made greater and greater by God.
In a Sacred Tradition Allah says,
I was a hidden treasure and I loved to be known so I created heaven
and earth that I may be known.
One of Allah’s names, one of His attributes, is Al Wajid. This word
has several meanings among them is to bring into existence. It also
has the meaning of intense, existential love. Reflecting upon this
divine name, we can see that there is a relationship between love and
creation. And reflecting upon the sacred tradition we can see that
God’s love to be known is the primary reason for creation. In this way
we can come to a truly profound insight; Allah’s love is the very
cause of existence. We are alive today because of His love, the whole
Universe is here because of His love.
The relationship of love between us and Allah, between us and others,
and between us and all of creation is essential to reaching our full
potential as human beings. When we nourish our hearts with love, when
we manifest Allah’s love in our lives; with our families, with our
friends, in our work, in our prayers, in everything that we do, the
entire meaning of life changes for us and our own experience of our
humanness is transformed; we become adorned with the beautiful
characteristics of the Prophet.
This is the meaning of following in the footsteps of the Prophet
(puh); we follow him by adorning ourselves with the qualities of his
noble character. We follow him by striving to become like him in our
humanness, in our quality of relationships, in our conduct in society,
in our service to humanity.
The noble character of the Prophet (puh) has been best explained by
his cousin, Jaffar Ibn Abu Talib, when he was asked by the King of
Abbysinia to explain his religion. Jaffar replied:
We were a people lost in ignorance. We worshipped idols, we back-
stabbed one another in gossip, we committed sins without shame, we
severed the bonds of mercy among us, and we were unkind neighbors. The
strong among us devoured the weak. Thus we were until Allah sent to us
a messenger from among ourselves, well-known to us in his nobility,
honesty, trustworthiness, and tenderness. He called us to unity and to
devoting our worship to Allah alone and to removing the idols from our
hearts. He commanded us to be truthful when we spoke, and to fulfill
our trust, and to preserve the bonds of mercy among us, and to be kind
neighbors, and to desist from violating what is sacred. He called us
to turn back from our sins, and from falsehood, and from devouring the
wealth of orphans, and from defaming honorable women. So we believed
in him and in his message and we followed what he received from his
Lord.
Brothers and sisters, the Sunnah of the Prophet is about the kind of
character that manifests God’s love in existence. His Sunnah is that
which ennobles us, that which transforms us into better human beings.
It’s about becoming kind and tender human beings who are deeply and
profoundly in love with God.
The Prophet’s love, awe, and longing for Allah comes through with
overwhelming clarity when we reflect upon his prayers. Here is just
one example:
O my God, make me love You, make me love those who love You, make me
love all things that bring me closer to loving You. O my God, make me
love You, and Your angels, and Your prophets, and all of Your
creation. O my God, make my love for You dearer to me than myself, and
my family, and my wealth, and my children, and from cool, pure water
to the thirsty.
May Allah bless us with His love, and the love of those who love Him.
May Allah fill our hearts with love. Allah bless Prophet Muhammad, his
family, and companions. Peace be with you and Allah’s mercy.
Continue reading
http://sufism.org/articles/love-in-islam-2
On Mar 31, 9:19 pm, "Dr.Frank Crosby"
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
Apr 1, 2012, 1:00:19 PM4/1/12
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KORAN commands to kill infidels:
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places
whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. -
2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion
reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no
persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is
hateful to you.
..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43
If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and
forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If
you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. -
3:157-8
You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are
dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah
3:169-71
Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world
for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he
is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah
4:74
Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject
faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76
But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find
them. - 4:89
Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure
till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that
they have done. - 5:14
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends
of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them.
God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54
Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns
supreme - 8:39
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast
men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred,
they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of
understanding. - 8:65
It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter
in the land. - 8:67
Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from
obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the
unbelievers. - 9:2-3
When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find
them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for
them. - 9:5
Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28
Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has
been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion
of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the
tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The
unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: )
Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and
pay tribute.
Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of
Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41
O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh
with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. -
9:73
Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in
return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause,
kill and be killed. - 9:111
Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them
find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those
of the disbelievers....
As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow
their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble
their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to
them. - 10:4-15
Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell.
- 33:60
Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14
When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have
made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them
free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens.
- 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the
battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low,
bind your captives firmly.
Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their
deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition,
and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5
Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. -
48:25
Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the
unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to
enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29
Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal
sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn
forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. -
98:51
Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them
to shame. (verse cited in Newsweek 2/11/02)
-------
KORAN promises of houris in heaven:
Single-minded slaves of Allah... will be honored in the Gardens of
delight, on couches facing one another; A cup from a gushing spring is
brought round for them, white, delicious to the drinkers, wherein
there is no headache nor are they made mad thereby. And with them are
those of modest gaze, with lovely eyes, pure as they were hidden eggs.
- Surah 37:40-49
Lo, for those who ward off evil is a happy journey's end, Gardens of
Eden, whereof the gates are opened for the, wherein, reclining, they
call for plenteous fruit and cool drink therein. And with them are
those of modest gaze, companions. This it is that ye are promised for
the Day of Reckoning. - 38:50-54
Lo! Those who kept their duty will be in a place secure, amid gardens
and water-springs, attired in silk and silk embroidery, facing one
another.... And we shall wed them unto fair ones with wide, lovely
eyes. They call therein for every fruit in safety. They taste not
death therein, save the first death. And He hath saved them from the
doom of hell, a bounty from thy Lord. That is the supreme triumph. -
44:51-57
Lo! Those who kept their duty dwell in gardens and delight...
reclining on ranged couches. And we wed them unto fair ones with wide,
lovely eyes... and we provide them with fruit and meat such as they
desire.... - 52:17-22
...Reclining upon couches lined with silk brocade, the fruit of both
the gardens near to hand.... Therein are those of modest gaze, whom
neither man nor jinni will have touched before them.... - 55:54-56
Those are they who will be brought nigh, in gardens of delight...
reclining therein face to face. There wait on them immortal youths...
and fair ones with wide, lovely eyes, like unto hidden pearls, reward
for what they used to do.... Lo! We have created them a creation, and
made them virgins, lovers, friends. - 56:11-37
(Different translation) Companions with beautiful, big and lustrous
eyes... virgin-pure and undefiled.
--------
Koran "sharia" punishments:
As for the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their
hands as punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment
from Allah. - Surah 5:38
Jesus:
Mat 5:38 ¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye,
and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever
shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy
coat, let him have [thy] cloke also.
Mat 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him
twain.
Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would
borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Mat 5:43 ¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy
neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that
curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which
despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in
heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and
sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye?
do not even the publicans the same?
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places
whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. -
2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion
reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no
persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is
hateful to you.
..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43
If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and
forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If
you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. -
3:157-8
You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are
dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah
3:169-71
Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world
for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he
is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah
4:74
Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject
faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76
But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find
them. - 4:89
Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure
till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that
they have done. - 5:14
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends
of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them.
God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54
Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns
supreme - 8:39
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast
men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred,
they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of
understanding. - 8:65
It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter
in the land. - 8:67
Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from
obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the
unbelievers. - 9:2-3
When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find
them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for
them. - 9:5
Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28
Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has
been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion
of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the
tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The
unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: )
Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and
pay tribute.
Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of
Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41
O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh
with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. -
9:73
Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in
return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause,
kill and be killed. - 9:111
Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them
find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those
of the disbelievers....
As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow
their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble
their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to
them. - 10:4-15
Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell.
- 33:60
Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14
When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have
made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them
free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens.
- 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the
battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low,
bind your captives firmly.
Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their
deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition,
and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5
Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. -
48:25
Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the
unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to
enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29
Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal
sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn
forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. -
98:51
Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them
to shame. (verse cited in Newsweek 2/11/02)
-------
KORAN promises of houris in heaven:
Single-minded slaves of Allah... will be honored in the Gardens of
delight, on couches facing one another; A cup from a gushing spring is
brought round for them, white, delicious to the drinkers, wherein
there is no headache nor are they made mad thereby. And with them are
those of modest gaze, with lovely eyes, pure as they were hidden eggs.
- Surah 37:40-49
Lo, for those who ward off evil is a happy journey's end, Gardens of
Eden, whereof the gates are opened for the, wherein, reclining, they
call for plenteous fruit and cool drink therein. And with them are
those of modest gaze, companions. This it is that ye are promised for
the Day of Reckoning. - 38:50-54
Lo! Those who kept their duty will be in a place secure, amid gardens
and water-springs, attired in silk and silk embroidery, facing one
another.... And we shall wed them unto fair ones with wide, lovely
eyes. They call therein for every fruit in safety. They taste not
death therein, save the first death. And He hath saved them from the
doom of hell, a bounty from thy Lord. That is the supreme triumph. -
44:51-57
Lo! Those who kept their duty dwell in gardens and delight...
reclining on ranged couches. And we wed them unto fair ones with wide,
lovely eyes... and we provide them with fruit and meat such as they
desire.... - 52:17-22
...Reclining upon couches lined with silk brocade, the fruit of both
the gardens near to hand.... Therein are those of modest gaze, whom
neither man nor jinni will have touched before them.... - 55:54-56
Those are they who will be brought nigh, in gardens of delight...
reclining therein face to face. There wait on them immortal youths...
and fair ones with wide, lovely eyes, like unto hidden pearls, reward
for what they used to do.... Lo! We have created them a creation, and
made them virgins, lovers, friends. - 56:11-37
(Different translation) Companions with beautiful, big and lustrous
eyes... virgin-pure and undefiled.
--------
Koran "sharia" punishments:
As for the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their
hands as punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment
from Allah. - Surah 5:38
Jesus:
Mat 5:38 ¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye,
and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever
shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy
coat, let him have [thy] cloke also.
Mat 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him
twain.
Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would
borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Mat 5:43 ¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy
neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that
curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which
despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in
heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and
sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye?
do not even the publicans the same?
Dr. R. Knapp
Apr 1, 2012, 11:19:52 PM4/1/12
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On Mar 31, 11:05 am, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why Muslims follow Jesus more closely than Christians
>
> Pork - Jesus did not eat pork as described in Leviticus 11:7-8: "and
> the swine [...] of their flesh you shall not eat". Pork is also
> forbidden in the Qur'an, 2:173. Today, Christians eat pork, Muslims do
> not.
Poor folks never ate a good hotdog, now I do not like pork and do not
> Why Muslims follow Jesus more closely than Christians
>
> Pork - Jesus did not eat pork as described in Leviticus 11:7-8: "and
> the swine [...] of their flesh you shall not eat". Pork is also
> forbidden in the Qur'an, 2:173. Today, Christians eat pork, Muslims do
> not.
go out to find pork, and I am not a Muslim. Then Christians are not
under the law and Muslims do not follow the Law that the Jews do, so
it does not matter what you eat or do not eat.
> Blood - Jesus did not eat anything containing blood as described in
> Leviticus, 19 "you shall not eat any flesh with the blood in it". The
> consumption of blood is also forbidden in the Qur'an, 6:145.
or drink blood, and all the Christians I know do not eat flesh that
has blood in it, they remove any blood and so on. The Qur'an can say
what it wants, then since it is not Gods book anyway, it does not
matter,
>
> Alcohol - Jesus abstained from alcoholic drinks. In Numbers 6:1-4 it
> says "he shall sepertae himself from wine and strong drink". Alcohol
> (intoxicants) is also forbidden in the Qur'an, 5:90. Today, Christians
> drink alcohol, Muslims do not.
in the news that Muslims do buy alcohol and do get drunk.
>
> Veiling - The women around Jesus veiled themselves as recorded
> Genesis, 24:64-5: "who is the man yonder, walking in the field to meet
> us? The servant said 'it is my master'. So she (Rebekah) took her veil
> and covered herself". In the Qur'an, women are instructed to cover
> their charms and wear veils, 33:59. Today, Christian women do nto
> cover themselves; Muslim women do.
Women do what they want some do use veils and others do not, and
> us? The servant said 'it is my master'. So she (Rebekah) took her veil
> and covered herself". In the Qur'an, women are instructed to cover
> their charms and wear veils, 33:59. Today, Christian women do nto
> cover themselves; Muslim women do.
Genesis is for the JEWS so you all follow the JEWISH teachings and
here you are saying you follow the Law and the Jewish teachings that
God told them to do. Then you want to kill the Jews and such. I seen
Muslism nations and most woman in them do not cover themselfs, you lie
and the news papers prove it. Muslim women do like many other non-
muslims they dress the way they want, and they dress like any other
woman, when they are inside their homes or with othes. It is seen in
any nation that follows the Qur'an.
Dr. R. Knapp
Apr 1, 2012, 11:24:17 PM4/1/12
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On Apr 1, 10:42 am, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Dr Frank Crosby.
>
> Can we learn the teaching of Jesus by following blindly what the
> Christian leaders are doing? We can't because there are many of them
> who abused Children and women. We also cannot learn Islam by what the
> muslim are doing. We have to learn from the Qran and Hadith.
You all just kill the women and children as infidels which is Abuse
> Dear Dr Frank Crosby.
>
> Can we learn the teaching of Jesus by following blindly what the
> Christian leaders are doing? We can't because there are many of them
> who abused Children and women. We also cannot learn Islam by what the
> muslim are doing. We have to learn from the Qran and Hadith.
and muder, people call them self Christians and abuse, you murder
them.
arah
Apr 2, 2012, 2:14:39 PM4/2/12
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Misquoted Verse
And slay them wherever ye catch them.." (2:191)
A classic and popular example of what Muslim scholars, like Dr. Jamal
Badawi, call a ‘cut and paste’ approach. Everything becomes so much
easier for the Anti-Islamists when they remove the context. The
solution for the Muslim is to simply replace the verse in its context:
2:190-194 Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not
transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And kill them
wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned
you out; for persecution and oppression are worse than slaughter; but
fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you
there; but if they fight you, kill them. Such is the reward of those
who reject faith. But if they cease, God is Oft-Forgiving, Most
Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or
oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they
cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice
oppression. The prohibited month, for the prohibited month, and so for
all things prohibited, there is the law of equality. If then any one
transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise
against him. But fear (the punishment of) God, and know that God is
with those who restrain themselves.
How many times do we see the above verse repeating the message to make
it clear? These verse were revealed at a time when Muslims of Madinah
were under constant attack from the Makkans. An example would be when
the Makkans conducted the public crucifixion of the companion of the
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), Khubaib bin Adi. These would be
classified as 'terrorist activities' according to the modern usage of
the term. So what does this verse say in this context? "Fight in the
cause of God those who fight you", "unless they (first) fight you
there" - the context of this verse applies to those who initiate the
attack against Muslims. And even after they attack, the verse makes it
clear: "But if they cease, God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." And
it also makes clear the purpose for what Muslims fight: "fight them on
until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice
and faith in God". It is the duty of Muslims to defend humanity from
oppression and persecution and to establish justice. Muslims believe
that God has placed us here on earth as his deputy or viceroy, and
thus, it is our duty to enjoin the good and forbid the evil, to
establish peace and justice in the land. Dr. Maher Hathout writes the
following on verses 2:190-194:
These verses were applicable to a particular situation or if,
hypothetically, the same situation was to be repeated… Historically,
fighting back against the aggressors was prohibited during the
thirteen years of the Meccan period. After the migration to Medina and
the establishment of the Islamic state, Muslims were concerned with
how to defend themselves against aggression from their enemies. The
aforementioned verses were revealed to enable them to protect the
newly formed state by fighting in self-defence against those who
fought them. However, the Qur’an clearly prohibits aggression. The
verses explain that fighting is only for self-defence. Thus, a Muslim
cannot commit aggression and kill innocent men, women, children, the
sick, the elderly, monks, priests, or those who do not wish to fight.
A Muslim is also mandated not to destroy plant life of livestock.
(Hathout, Jihad vs. Terrorism; US Multimedia Vera International, 2002,
p.49, emphasis added)
The historical context is something that must always be considered
where developing an understanding of Qur'anic verses. Without knowing
the circumstances behind the revelation, one cannot apply the verse as
accurately. Shaykh Salman Al-Oadah writes about the general principles
in Jihad:
Jihad can never be fought for worldly gain, for conquest, or even for
revenge. Muslims must only fight to protect the lives, property, and
freedoms of people, especially their freedom to worship Allah when
that freedom is forcibly attacked. They are never allowed to attack
innocent people, even when they are themselves attacked by the
countrymen of those innocents. Any people that go against this
established principle of Islamic Law and murder civilians are fighting
against Islam and everything that it stands for. It is ludicrous for
them to call this fighting a jihâd, a word that means striving in the
cause of Islam. They are in fact murderers in the light of Islamic Law
and should be treated as such. (SOURCE, emphasis added)
There are strict and detailed laws in Islam, which Muslims must follow
carefully. A military Jihad must be performed under these regulations.
Abdullah Yusuf Ali writes about verse 2:190:
War is only permissible in self-defence, and under well-defined
limits. When undertaken, it must be pushed with vigour, but not
relentlessly, but only to restore peace and freedom for the worship of
God. In any case strict limits must not be transgressed: women,
children, old and infirm men should not be molested, nor trees and
crops cut down, nor peace withheld when the enemy comes to terms.
(Yusuf Ali, The Holy Qur’an, Text, Translation and Commentary )
He then re-iterates the general principles behind Jihad in his
commentary on verse 2:191:
In general, it may be said that Islam is the religion of peace,
goodwill, mutual understanding, and good faith. But it will not
acquiesce in wrong-doing, and its men will hold their lives cheap in
defence of honour, justice, and the religion which they hold sacred.
Their ideal is that of heroic virtue combined with unselfish
gentleness and tenderness, such as is exemplified in the life of the
Apostle. They believe in courage, obedience, discipline, duty, and a
constant striving by all the means in their power, physical, moral,
intellectual, and spiritual, for the establishment of truth and
righteousness. (Yusuf Ali, The Holy Qur’an, Text, Translation and
Commentary )
This is the true focus behind Jihad, and Muslims must never lose this
focus. Jihad is solely for the purpose of aiding humanity and bringing
justice and freedom to the oppressed. Therefore, all actions must be
in-line with this focus and the strict regulations governing Jihad.
The focus is to defend, not destroy. One who focuses on the betterment
and aid of humanity will realize that destruction will never achieve
this. Abdul Majid Daryabadi writes extensively on verse 2:190:
2:190 “And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you” – Violating
the truce they themselves had signed. The Muslims, after having borne
untold persecution with almost superhuman fortitude for years and
years at the hands of the pagans of Makkah, are now for the first time
enjoined to take to reprisals. ‘For a full thirteen years the Muslims
were subjected to relentless persecution in Mecca. The Prophet and his
followers fled for life to Medina, but the enemy would not leave them
alone in their refuge. They came to attack them within a year, and the
first three battles were fought in the very locality which will
whether the Prophet was an assailant or defendant’ (Headley, The
Original Church of Jesus Christ and Islam, p. 155). The Makkans had
signed a truce and were the first to break it. The words ‘fight with
those who fight you’ clearly show, firstly, that the Muslims were not
the aggressors, and secondly, that those of the enemy who were not
actual combatants – children, women, monks, hermits, the aged and the
infirm, the maimed, and the like – had nothing at all to fear from the
Muslim soldiery. It was in light of this express Divine injunction
that the great Abu Bakr, the first Caliph, charged his troops into
Syria, ‘not to mutilate the dead, nor to slay old men, women, and
children, nor to cut down fruit-trees, nor to kill cattle unless they
were needed for food; and these humane precepts served like a code of
laws of war during the career of Mohammadan conquest.’ (Bosworth
Smith, Mohammed and Mohammedanism, p. 185). Has not Islam thus, in
prescribing war against those who break God’s law, who challenge His
righteous authority, and who fill the world with violence and
injustice, made every concession short of the impossible? Has any code
of military ethics been so chivalrous, so humane and so tender towards
the enemy? ‘The moral tone adopted by the Caliph Abu Bakr, in his
instructions to the Syrian army, was’, says a modern Christian
historian, ‘so unlike the principles of the Roman government, that it
must have commanded profound attention from a subject people. Such a
proclamation announced to Jews and Christians’ sentiments of justice
and principles of toleration which neither Roman emperors nor orthodox
bishops had ever adopted as the rule of their conduct’ (Finlay, Greece
Under the Romans, pp. 367-368). (Daryabadi, The Glorious Qur’an,
emphasis added)
Muhammad Asad explains verse 2:190 in the following manner:
This and the following verses lay down unequivocally that only self-
defence (in the widest sense of the word) makes war permissible for
Muslims. Most of the commentators agree in that the expression la
ta'tadu signifies, in this context, "do not commit aggression"; while
by al-mu'tadin "those who commit aggression" are meant. The defensive
character of a fight "in God's cause" - that is, in the cause of the
ethical principles ordained by God - is, moreover, self-evident in the
reference to "those who wage war against you", and has been still
further clarified in 22: 39 - "permission [to fight] is given to those
against whom war is being wrongfully waged" - which, according to all
available Traditions, constitutes the earliest (and therefore
fundamental) Quranic reference to the question of jihad, or holy war
(see Tabari and Ibn Kathir in their commentaries on 22: 39). That this
early, fundamental principle of self-defence as the only possible
justification of war has been maintained throughout the Quran is
evident from 60: 8, as well as from the concluding sentence of 4: 91,
both of which belong to a later period than the above verse. (Asad,
The Message of the Qur’an, emphasis added)
http://islamnewsroom.com/answers/329-quranmisquotes#7
On Apr 1, 8:00 pm, "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com" <jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com>
wrote:
duke
Apr 2, 2012, 4:37:00 PM4/2/12
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 06:46:40 -0700 (PDT), arah <arahar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Do Muslims follow Jesus Christ more than Christians?
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdL_GH5RGn0
Not a chance.
>Do Muslims follow Jesus Christ more than Christians?
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdL_GH5RGn0
duke, American - American
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1 John 3:4-6
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact,
sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he
appeared so that he might take away our sins.
And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in
him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to
sin has either seen him or known him.
*****
duke
Apr 2, 2012, 4:38:04 PM4/2/12
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:05:59 -0700 (PDT), arah <arahar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Why Muslims follow Jesus more closely than Christians
>
>
>Pork - Jesus did not eat pork as described in Leviticus 11:7-8: "and
>the swine [...] of their flesh you shall not eat". Pork is also
>forbidden in the Qur'an, 2:173. Today, Christians eat pork, Muslims do
>not.
Why don't muslims eat pork? Why didn't the Jews eat pork? Why does God care?
>Why Muslims follow Jesus more closely than Christians
>
>
>Pork - Jesus did not eat pork as described in Leviticus 11:7-8: "and
>the swine [...] of their flesh you shall not eat". Pork is also
>forbidden in the Qur'an, 2:173. Today, Christians eat pork, Muslims do
>not.
>Blood - Jesus did not eat anything containing blood as described in
>Leviticus, 19 "you shall not eat any flesh with the blood in it". The
>consumption of blood is also forbidden in the Qur'an, 6:145.
>
>Alcohol - Jesus abstained from alcoholic drinks. In Numbers 6:1-4 it
>says "he shall sepertae himself from wine and strong drink". Alcohol
>(intoxicants) is also forbidden in the Qur'an, 5:90. Today, Christians
>drink alcohol, Muslims do not.
>
>Veiling - The women around Jesus veiled themselves as recorded in
>Genesis, 24:64-5: "who is the man yonder, walking in the field to meet
>us? The servant said 'it is my master'. So she (Rebekah) took her veil
>and covered herself". In the Qur'an, women are instructed to cover
>their charms and wear veils, 33:59. Today, Christian women do nto
>cover themselves; Muslim women do.
>
>
>
>On Mar 30, 5:45 pm, "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>> On Mar 30, 9:46 am, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Do Muslims follow Jesus Christ more than Christians?
>>
>> > NO!- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
Dr. R. Knapp
Apr 2, 2012, 10:14:56 PM4/2/12
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On Apr 2, 4:38 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
and leave areas and so would not have time to cook meat and such till
they are cooked, now a pig the pork has to be cooked till it is white
to be safe to eat. Beef and fish etc can be eaten even if they were
not cooked correctily. A person can die if they eat pork that is not
cooked long enough. Check it out with a doctor pork has in it stuff
that can make on very sick. God made man and cares that we are well
and healthy, If you are camping out, and have pork, you will have to
cook it till it is white and if not you could get sick and die. God
loves us and wants us well, you can eat a streak which is still red
and not get sick, you do not do that to pork
How would you like your pork chop? Medium rare? Well done? Most
consumers have never been
faced with this decision. Due to the concern for Trichinella spiralis,
typical pork cookery practices
involve heating the pork until it is overcooked and white in color.
Cookbooks instruct to cook pork
until it reaches an internal temperature of 1600F (710C), which is the
medium degree of doneness.
Actually, under FDA guidelines, pork can be cooked to 1450F (630C) for
3 minutes or 1500F (660C) for 1
minute. Cooking pork at a lower temperature improves the moisture and
flavor of the product. The
dry, mild flavor that often accompanies pork is due to cooking beyond
1600F (710C).
But pork must have a white (not pink) color to be safe, right? Many
cookbooks say the juices have
to run clear to prevent food-borne illness. However, product and juice
color are poor indicators of the
safety of cooked pork. Pork chops, for instance, can remain pink after
reaching the optimal time and
temperature combination to ensure safety. Color depends upon which
time and temperature combination
identified by the FDA Food Code is used. Chops that are pale, soft and
exudative (PSE) or dark,
firm and dry (DFD) also will have different cooked color. Ground pork
patties, on the other hand, may
exhibit the same premature browning that has been observed in beef
patties (Hague et al, 1994).
Premature browning in ground beef occurs when the interior color is
brown, indicative of thorough
cooking, but the internal temperature is lower than that needed to
kill pathogenic bacteria. Thus, premature
browning is of concern from a food safety standpoint. The lesson
derived from this combination
of findings is to use a meat thermometer – judging meat doneness by
appearance alone is risky
business and almost guarantees less than optimum eating quality.
> *****- Hide quoted text -
> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:05:59 -0700 (PDT), arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Why Muslims follow Jesus more closely than Christians
>
> >Pork - Jesus did not eat pork as described in Leviticus 11:7-8: "and
> >the swine [...] of their flesh you shall not eat". Pork is also
> >forbidden in the Qur'an, 2:173. Today, Christians eat pork, Muslims do
> >not.
>
> Why don't muslims eat pork? Why didn't the Jews eat pork? Why does God care?
The answer is easy, when that law was made the Jews were having to run
> >Why Muslims follow Jesus more closely than Christians
>
> >Pork - Jesus did not eat pork as described in Leviticus 11:7-8: "and
> >the swine [...] of their flesh you shall not eat". Pork is also
> >forbidden in the Qur'an, 2:173. Today, Christians eat pork, Muslims do
> >not.
>
> Why don't muslims eat pork? Why didn't the Jews eat pork? Why does God care?
and leave areas and so would not have time to cook meat and such till
they are cooked, now a pig the pork has to be cooked till it is white
to be safe to eat. Beef and fish etc can be eaten even if they were
not cooked correctily. A person can die if they eat pork that is not
cooked long enough. Check it out with a doctor pork has in it stuff
that can make on very sick. God made man and cares that we are well
and healthy, If you are camping out, and have pork, you will have to
cook it till it is white and if not you could get sick and die. God
loves us and wants us well, you can eat a streak which is still red
and not get sick, you do not do that to pork
How would you like your pork chop? Medium rare? Well done? Most
consumers have never been
faced with this decision. Due to the concern for Trichinella spiralis,
typical pork cookery practices
involve heating the pork until it is overcooked and white in color.
Cookbooks instruct to cook pork
until it reaches an internal temperature of 1600F (710C), which is the
medium degree of doneness.
Actually, under FDA guidelines, pork can be cooked to 1450F (630C) for
3 minutes or 1500F (660C) for 1
minute. Cooking pork at a lower temperature improves the moisture and
flavor of the product. The
dry, mild flavor that often accompanies pork is due to cooking beyond
1600F (710C).
But pork must have a white (not pink) color to be safe, right? Many
cookbooks say the juices have
to run clear to prevent food-borne illness. However, product and juice
color are poor indicators of the
safety of cooked pork. Pork chops, for instance, can remain pink after
reaching the optimal time and
temperature combination to ensure safety. Color depends upon which
time and temperature combination
identified by the FDA Food Code is used. Chops that are pale, soft and
exudative (PSE) or dark,
firm and dry (DFD) also will have different cooked color. Ground pork
patties, on the other hand, may
exhibit the same premature browning that has been observed in beef
patties (Hague et al, 1994).
Premature browning in ground beef occurs when the interior color is
brown, indicative of thorough
cooking, but the internal temperature is lower than that needed to
kill pathogenic bacteria. Thus, premature
browning is of concern from a food safety standpoint. The lesson
derived from this combination
of findings is to use a meat thermometer – judging meat doneness by
appearance alone is risky
business and almost guarantees less than optimum eating quality.
Dr. R. Knapp
Apr 2, 2012, 10:35:32 PM4/2/12
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On Apr 2, 10:14 pm, "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
> On Apr 2, 4:38 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:05:59 -0700 (PDT), arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >Why Muslims follow Jesus more closely than Christians
>
> > >Pork - Jesus did not eat pork as described in Leviticus 11:7-8: "and
> > >the swine [...] of their flesh you shall not eat". Pork is also
> > >forbidden in the Qur'an, 2:173. Today, Christians eat pork, Muslims do
> > >not.
>
> > Why don't muslims eat pork? Why didn't the Jews eat pork? Why does God care?
>
> The answer is easy, when that law was made the Jews were having to run
> and leave areas and so would not have time to cook meat and such till
> they are cooked, now a pig the pork has to be cooked till it is white
> to be safe to eat. Beef and fish etc can be eaten even if they were
> not cooked correctly. A person can die if they eat pork that is not
> On Apr 2, 4:38 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:05:59 -0700 (PDT), arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >Why Muslims follow Jesus more closely than Christians
>
> > >Pork - Jesus did not eat pork as described in Leviticus 11:7-8: "and
> > >the swine [...] of their flesh you shall not eat". Pork is also
> > >forbidden in the Qur'an, 2:173. Today, Christians eat pork, Muslims do
> > >not.
>
> > Why don't muslims eat pork? Why didn't the Jews eat pork? Why does God care?
>
> The answer is easy, when that law was made the Jews were having to run
> and leave areas and so would not have time to cook meat and such till
> they are cooked, now a pig the pork has to be cooked till it is white
> to be safe to eat. Beef and fish etc can be eaten even if they were
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
Apr 2, 2012, 10:33:23 PM4/2/12
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http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/9/
though thou ask forgiveness for them seventy times Allah will not
forgive them. That is because they disbelieved in Allah and His
messenger--9:80
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9: Repentance
9:1 Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His
messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty.
(9:1-4)
"Allah is free from obligation to the idolaters, and (so is) His
messenger."
Allah and Muhammad are not bound by treaties made with idolaters
(except for those who don't oppose Allah or Muhammad).
(9:2)
"Ye cannot escape Allah. Allah will confound the disbelievers."
(9:3)
"Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve."
Doom in the Quran
(9:5) The Verse of the Sword
"Slay the idolaters wherever you find them."
Is each person be free to believe as he or she wishes?
9:2 Travel freely in the land four months, and know that ye cannot
escape Allah and that Allah will confound the disbelievers (in His
Guidance).
9:3 And a proclamation from Allah and His messenger to all men on the
day of the Greater Pilgrimage that Allah is free from obligation to
the idolaters, and (so is) His messenger. So, if ye repent, it will be
better for you; but if ye are averse, then know that ye cannot escape
Allah. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who
disbelieve,
9:4 Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a
treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have
supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to
them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto
Him).
9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters
wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and
prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship
and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is
Forgiving, Merciful.
9:6 And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O
Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and
afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are
a folk who know not. (9:6) "Afterward convey him to his place of
safety."
Those who submit and convert to Islam will be treated well. (Those who
don't submit will be killed. See previous verse.)
9:7 How can there be a treaty with Allah and with His messenger for
the idolaters save those with whom ye made a treaty at the Inviolable
Place of Worship ? So long as they are true to you, be true to them.
Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty. (9:7-9) "How can there
be any treaty for the others?"
Don't make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and
should not be trusted.
9:8 How (can there be any treaty for the others) when, if they have
the upper hand of you, they regard not pact nor honour in respect of
you ? They satisfy you with their mouths the while their hearts
refuse. And most of them are wrongdoers.
9:9 They have purchased with the revelations of Allah a little gain,
so they debar (men) from His way. Lo! evil is that which they are wont
to do.
9:10 And they observe toward a believer neither pact nor honour. These
are they who are transgressors.
9:11 But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due,
then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for
a people who have knowledge. (9:11) "If they repent and establish
worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in
religion."
Treat converts to Islam well. (Kill those who refuse to convert. See
9:5)
(9:12-14) "Fight them!"
Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will give you
victory. (Quoted by Osama bin Laden in his 'letter to America' as a
justification for the 11 September 2001 attacks.)
Is each person be free to believe as he or she wishes?
9:12 And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been
made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of
disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may
desist.
9:13 Will ye not fight a folk who broke their solemn pledges, and
purposed to drive out the messenger and did attack you first ? What!
Fear ye them ? Now Allah hath more right that ye should fear Him, if
ye are believers
9:14 Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will
lay them low and give you victory over them, and He will heal the
breasts of folk who are believers.
9:15 And He will remove the anger of their hearts. Allah relenteth
toward whom He will. Allah is Knower, Wise.
9:16 Or deemed ye that ye would be left (in peace) when Allah yet
knoweth not those of you who strive, choosing for familiar none save
Allah and His messenger and the believers ? Allah is Informed of what
ye do.
9:17 It is not for the idolaters to tend Allah's sanctuaries, bearing
witness against themselves of disbelief. As for such, their works are
vain and in the Fire they will abide. (9:17) "It is not for the
idolaters to tend Allah's sanctuaries ... their works are vain and in
the Fire they will abide."
The Fire
(9:18) Pay the poor-due, but only if they are Muslims. [Never help a
non-Muslim. (See 28:86)]
(9:19)
"Count ye the slaking of a pilgrim's thirst ... as (equal to the worth
of) him who believeth in Allah and the Last Day, and striveth in the
way of Allah?"
Helping the poor is not as important as believing in Islam and
fighting in holy wars.
9:18 He only shall tend Allah's sanctuaries who believeth in Allah and
the Last Day and observeth proper worship and payeth the poor-due and
feareth none save Allah. For such (only) is it possible that they can
be of the rightly guided.
9:19 Count ye the slaking of a pilgrim's thirst and tendance of the
Inviolable Place of Worship as (equal to the worth of) him who
believeth in Allah and the Last Day, and striveth in the way of Allah?
They are not equal in the sight of Allah. Allah guideth not wrongdoing
folk.
9:20 Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with
their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth
in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant.
9:21 Their Lord giveth them good tidings of mercy from Him, and
acceptance, and Gardens where enduring pleasure will be theirs;
9:22 There they will abide for ever. Lo! with Allah there is immense
reward.
9:23 O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for
friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of
you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers. (9:23) "Choose
not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure
in disbelief rather than faith."
Don't be friends with disbelieving family members. Those who do so are
wrong-doers.
(9:24) "If your fathers, and your sons, and your brethren, and your
wives ... are dearer to you than Allah and His messenger ... then wait
till Allah bringeth His command to pass."
If you value your parents, wives, and children more than Allah and
Muhammad, then just wait and see what Allah will do to you after you
die.
9:24 Say: If your fathers, and your sons, and your brethren, and your
wives, and your tribe, and the wealth ye have acquired, and
merchandise for which ye fear that there will no sale, and dwellings
ye desire are dearer to you than Allah and His messenger and striving
in His way: then wait till Allah bringeth His command to pass. Allah
guideth not wrongdoing folk.
9:25 Allah hath given you victory on many fields and on the day of
Huneyn, when ye exulted in your multitude but it availed you naught,
and the earth, vast as it is, was straitened for you; then ye turned
back in flight;
9:26 Then Allah sent His peace of reassurance down upon His messenger
and upon the believers, and sent down hosts ye could not see, and
punished those who disbelieved. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
(9:26) "Allah ... sent down host ye could not see."
Allah sent down angels (I guess) to fight for him! (But they were
invisible so no one could see them.)
(9:26) "Allah punished those who disbelieved."
(9:28) "The idolaters only are unclean."
Only idolaters are unclean. Keep them away from your places of
worship.
(9:29) "Fight against such of those who have been given the
Scripture as believe not in Allah until they pay the tribute (the
Jizya) readily, being brought low."
How should Jews and Christians be treated?
Is each person be free to believe as he or she wishes?
(9:30) "The Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah."
(Where and when did any Jew ever say that?)
(9:30)
"Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!"
(9:31)
"They have taken as lords ... their rabbis and their monks."
Jews and Christians consider rabbis and monks to be partners with God?
How do Muslims treat Muhammad?
9:27 Then afterward Allah will relent toward whom He will; for Allah
is Forgiving, Merciful.
9:28 O ye who believe! The idolaters only are unclean. So let them not
come near the Inviolable Place of Worship after this their year. If ye
fear poverty (from the loss of their merchandise) Allah shall preserve
you of His bounty if He will. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise.
9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as
believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah
hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth,
until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
9:30 And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians
say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their
mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah
(Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!
9:31 They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their
monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship
only One God. There is no God save Him. Be He Glorified from all that
they ascribe as partner (unto Him)!
9:32 Fain would they put out the light of Allah with their mouths, but
Allah disdaineth (aught) save that He shall perfect His light, however
much the disbelievers are averse.
9:33 He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the
Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion,
however much the idolaters may be averse. (9:33) "That He may cause
it to prevail over all religion"
The "Religion of Truth" (Islam) must prevail, by force if necessary,
over all other religions.
9:34 O ye who believe! Lo! many of the (Jewish) rabbis and the
(Christian) monks devour the wealth of mankind wantonly and debar
(men) from the way of Allah. They who hoard up gold and silver and
spend it not in the way of Allah, unto them give tidings (O Muhammad)
of a painful doom, (9:34) "Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful
doom" to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis.
Doom in the Quran
9:35 On the day when it will (all) be heated in the fire of hell, and
their foreheads and their flanks and their backs will be branded
therewith (and it will be said unto them): Here is that which ye
hoarded for yourselves. Now taste of what ye used to hoard. (9:35)
"Their foreheads and their flanks and their backs will be branded."
Those who are tormented in the Fire will have their foreheads and
backs branded.
Hell and The Fire in the Quran.
(9:36) "Wage war on all of the idolaters as they are waging war on
all of you."
In war with idolaters, do unto them as they do unto you.
(9:37) "Allah guideth not the disbelieving folk."
9:36 Lo! the number of the months with Allah is twelve months by
Allah's ordinance in the day that He created the heavens and the
earth. Four of them are sacred: that is the right religion. So wrong
not yourselves in them. And wage war on all of the idolaters as they
are waging war on all of you. And know that Allah is with those who
keep their duty (unto Him).
9:37 Postponement (of a sacred month) is only an excess of disbelief
whereby those who disbelieve are misled; they allow it one year and
forbid it (another) year, that they may make up the number of the
months which Allah hath hallowed, so that they allow that which Allah
hath forbidden. The evil of their deeds is made fairseeming unto them.
Allah guideth not the disbelieving folk.
9:38 O ye who believe! What aileth you that when it is said unto you:
Go forth in the way of Allah, ye are bowed down to the ground with
heaviness. Take ye pleasure in the life of the world rather than in
the Hereafter ? The comfort of the life of the world is but little in
the Hereafter. (9:38)
"The comfort of the life of the world is but little in the Hereafter."
Don't try to enjoy this life. The fun starts after you die. (If you
are a good Muslim, that is.)
9:39 If ye go not forth He will afflict you with a painful doom, and
will choose instead of you a folk other than you. Ye cannot harm Him
at all. Allah is Able to do all things. (9:39)
"If ye go not forth He will afflict you with a painful doom."
If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom.
Doom in the Quran
(9:39) "Ye cannot harm Him at all."
(9:40) Invisible armies!
Allah supported Muhammad with armies that no one else could see.
(9:41)
"Strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah!"
Fight for Allah with your wealth and whatever weapons are available to
you.
(9:42) "They verily are liars."
Those who refuse to fight for Allah (claiming they are unable) are
liars who have destroyed their souls.
9:40 If ye help him not, still Allah helped him when those who
disbelieve drove him forth, the second of two; when they two were in
the cave, when he said unto his comrade: Grieve not. Lo! Allah is with
us. Then Allah caused His peace of reassurance to descend upon him and
supported him with hosts ye cannot see, and made the word of those who
disbelieved the nethermost, while Allah's Word it was that became the
uppermost. Allah is Mighty, Wise.
9:41 Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your
wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye
but knew.
9:42 Had it been a near adventure and an easy journey they had
followed thee, but the distance seemed too far for them. Yet will they
swear by Allah (saying): If we had been able we would surely have set
out with you. They destroy their souls, and Allah knoweth that they
verily are liars.
9:43 Allah forgive thee (O Muhammad)! Wherefor didst thou grant them
leave ere those who told the truth were manifest to thee and thou
didst know the liars ?
9:44 Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day ask no leave of thee
lest they should strive with their wealth and their lives. Allah is
Aware of those who keep their duty (unto Him).
9:45 They alone ask leave of thee who believe not in Allah and the
Last Day, and whose hearts feel doubt, so in their doubt they
waver.
9:46 And if they had wished to go forth they would assuredly have made
ready some equipment, but Allah was averse to their being sent forth
and held them back and it was said (unto them): Sit ye with the
sedentary!
9:47 Had they gone forth among you they had added to you naught save
trouble and had hurried to and fro among you, seeking to cause
sedition among you; and among you there are some who would have
listened to them. Allah is Aware of evil- doers.
9:48 Aforetime they sought to cause sedition and raised difficulties
for thee till the Truth came and the decree of Allah was made
manifest, though they were loth.
9:49 Of them is he who saith: Grant me leave (to stay at home) and
tempt me not. Surely it is into temptation that they (thus) have
fallen. Lo! hell verily is all around the disbelievers. (9:49)
"Lo! hell verily is all around the disbelievers."
Disbelievers (and those who refuse to fight for Allah) go to hell.
Hell in the Quran
9:50 If good befalleth thee (O Muhammad) it afflicteth them, and if
calamity befalleth thee, they say: We took precaution, and they turn
away well pleased.
9:51 Say: Naught befalleth us save that which Allah hath decreed for
us. He is our Protecting Friend. In Allah let believers put their
trust!
9:52 Say: Can ye await for us aught save one of two good things (death
or victory in Allah's way) ? while we await for you that Allah will
afflict you with a doom from Him or at our hands. Await then! Lo! We
are awaiting with you. (9:52)
"Allah will afflict you with a doom from Him or at our hands."
Doom in the Quran
9:53 Say: Pay (your contribution), willingly or unwillingly, it will
not be accepted from you. Lo! ye were ever froward folk. (9:53-54)
"Save that they have disbelieved in Allah and in His messenger"
Pay your contribution willingly. Allah will not accept a contribution
from disbelievers or idlers.
9:54 And naught preventeth that their contributions should be accepted
from them save that they have disbelieved in Allah and in His
messenger, and they come not to worship save as idlers, and pay not
(their contribution) save reluctantly.
9:55 So let not their riches nor their children please thee (O
Muhammad). Allah thereby intendeth but to punish them in the life of
the world and that their souls shall pass away while they are
disbelievers.
9:56 And they swear by Allah that they are in truth of you, when they
are not of you, but they are folk who are afraid.
9:57 Had they but found a refuge, or caverns, or a place to enter,
they surely had resorted thither swift as runaways.
9:58 And of them is he who defameth thee in the matter of the alms. If
they are given thereof they are content, and if they are not given
thereof, behold! they are enraged.
9:59 (How much more seemly) had they been content with that which
Allah and His messenger had given them and had said: Allah sufficeth
us. Allah will give us of His bounty, and (also) His messenger. Unto
Allah we are suppliants.
9:60 The alms are only for the poor and the needy, and those who
collect them, and those whose hearts are to be reconciled, and to free
the captives and the debtors, and for the cause of Allah, and (for)
the wayfarer; a duty imposed by Allah. Allah is Knower, Wise. (9:60)
"Alms are only for the poor and the needy, ... to free the captives
and the debtors, ... and (for) the wayfarer."
But not for non-Muslims. [Never help a non-Muslim. (See 28:86)]
(9:61) "Those who vex the messenger of Allah, for them there is a
painful doom."
Doom in the Quran
9:61 And of them are those who vex the Prophet and say: He is only a
hearer. Say: A hearer of good for you, who believeth in Allah and is
true to the believers, and a mercy for such of you as believe. Those
who vex the messenger of Allah, for them there is a painful doom.
9:62 They swear by Allah to you (Muslims) to please you, but Allah,
with His messenger, hath more right that they should please Him if
they are believers. (9:62) "They ... please Him if they are
believers."
Allah is only pleased by true believers.
9:63 Know they not that whoso opposeth Allah and His messenger, his
verily is fire of hell, to abide therein? That is the extreme
abasement. (9:63) "Whoso opposeth Allah and His messenger, his
verily is fire of hell."
Hell and The Fire in the Quran
9:64 The hypocrites fear lest a surah should be revealed concerning
them, proclaiming what is in their hearts. Say: Scoff (your fill)! Lo!
Allah is disclosing what ye fear.
9:65 And if thou ask them (O Muhammad) they will say: We did but talk
and jest. Say: Was it at Allah and His revelations and His messenger
that ye did scoff ?
9:66 Make no excuse. Ye have disbelieved after your (confession of)
belief. If We forgive a party of you, a party of you We shall punish
because they have been guilty.
9:67 The hypocrites, both men and women, proceed one from another.
They enjoin the wrong, and they forbid the right, and they withhold
their hands (from spending for the cause of Allah). They forget Allah,
so He hath forgotten them. Lo! the hypocrites, they are the
transgressors.
9:68 Allah promiseth the hypocrites, both men and women, and the
disbelievers fire of hell for their abode. It will suffice them. Allah
curseth them, and theirs is lasting torment. (9:68) "Allah
promiseth the hypocrites, both men and women, and the disbelievers
fire of hell for their abode. It will suffice them. Allah curseth
them, and theirs is lasting torment."
Hell and The Fire in the Quran
9:69 Even as those before you who were mightier than you in strength,
and more affluent than you in wealth and children. They enjoyed their
lot awhile, so ye enjoy your lot awhile even as those before you did
enjoy their lot awhile. And ye prate even as they prated. Such are
they whose works have perished in the world and the Hereafter. Such
are they who are the losers.
9:70 Hath not the fame of those before them reached them - the folk of
Noah, A'ad, Thamud, the folk of Abraham, the dwellers of Midian and
the disasters (which befell them) ? Their messengers (from Allah) came
unto them with proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty). So Allah surely
wronged them not, but they did wrong themselves.
9:71 And the believers, men and women, are protecting friends one of
another; they enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and they
establish worship and they pay the poor-due, and they obey Allah and
His messenger. As for these, Allah will have mercy on them. Lo! Allah
is Mighty, Wise. (9:71) "Men and women are protecting friends of one
another; they enjoin the right and forbid the wrong ... and pay the
poor-due."
9:72 Allah promiseth to the believers, men and women, Gardens
underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide - blessed
dwellings in Gardens of Eden. And - greater (far)! - acceptance from
Allah. That is the supreme triumph.
9:73 O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be
all going to hell anyway.
Hell and Doom in the Quran
(9:74) "Allah will afflict them [disbelievers] with a painful doom
in the world and the Hereafter, and they have no protecting friend nor
helper in the earth."
9:74 They swear by Allah that they said nothing (wrong), yet they did
say the word of disbelief, and did disbelieve after their Surrender
(to Allah). And they purposed that which they could not attain, and
they sought revenge only that Allah by His messenger should enrich
them of His bounty. If they repent it will be better for them; and if
they turn away, Allah will afflict them with a painful doom in the
world and the Hereafter, and they have no protecting friend nor helper
in the earth.
9:75 And of them is he who made a covenant with Allah (saying): If He
give us of His bounty we will give alms and become of the righteous.
9:76 Yet when He gave them of His bounty, they hoarded it and turned
away, averse;
9:77 So He hath made the consequence (to be) hypocrisy in their hearts
until the day when they shall meet Him, because they broke their word
to Allah that they promised Him, and because they lied.
9:78 Know they not that Allah knoweth both their secret and the
thought that they confide, and that Allah is the Knower of Things
Hidden ?
9:79 Those who point at such of the believers as give the alms
willingly and such as can find naught to give but their endeavours,
and deride them - Allah (Himself) derideth them. Theirs will be a
painful doom. (9:79) "Theirs will be a painful doom."
Doom in the Quran
9:80 Ask forgiveness for them (O Muhammad), or ask not forgiveness for
them; though thou ask forgiveness for them seventy times Allah will
not forgive them. That is because they disbelieved in Allah and His
messenger, and Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. (9:80) "Though
thou ask forgiveness for them seventy times Allah will not forgive
them. That is because they disbelieved in Allah and His messenger."
God will not forgive disbelievers, so don't ask.
Will Allah forgive anything?
(9:81-83)
"The fire of hell is more intense of heat."
Those who refuse to give their wealth and lives to Allah will face the
fire of hell.
Hell and The Fire in the Quran
9:81 Those who were left behind rejoiced at sitting still behind the
messenger of Allah, and were averse to striving with their wealth and
their lives in Allah's way. And they said: Go not forth in the heat!
Say: The fire of hell is more intense of heat, if they but
understood.
9:82 Then let them laugh a little: they will weep much, as the reward
of what they used to earn.
9:83 If Allah bring thee back (from the campaign) unto a party of them
and they ask of thee leave to go out (to fight), then say unto them:
Ye shall never more go out with me nor fight with me against a foe. Ye
were content with sitting still the first time. So sit still, with the
useless.
9:84 And never (O Muhammad) pray for one of them who dieth, nor stand
by his grave. Lo! they disbelieved in Allah and His messenger, and
they died while they were evil-doers. (9:84) "And never (O
Muhammad) pray for one of them who dieth, nor stand by his grave. Lo!
they disbelieved in Allah and His messenger."
Don't pray for dead disbelievers or attend their funerals.
(9:85-87)
"Let not their wealth nor their children please thee! "
Those who refuse to fight for Allah will be treated (along with their
children) as unbelievers.
9:85 Let not their wealth nor their children please thee! Allah
purposeth only to punish them thereby in the world, and that their
souls shall pass away while they are disbelievers.
9:86 And when a surah is revealed (which saith): Believe in Allah and
strive along with His messenger, the men of wealth among them still
ask leave of thee and say: Suffer us to be with those who sit (at
home).
9:87 They are content that they should be with the useless and their
hearts are sealed, so that they apprehend not.
9:88 But the messenger and those who believe with him strive with
their wealth and their lives. Such are they for whom are the good
things. Such are they who are the successful. (9:88) "Those who
believe with him [Muhammad] strive with their wealth and their
lives ... are the succeessful."
Those who fight for Islam with their lives and money are the
successful. They will be rewarded by Allah.
9:89 Allah hath made ready for them Gardens underneath which rivers
flow, wherein they will abide. That is the supreme triumph.
9:90 And those among the wandering Arabs who had an excuse came in
order that permission might be granted them. And those who lied to
Allah and His messenger sat at home. A painful doom will fall on those
of them who disbelieve. (9:90)
"A painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve."
Doom in the Quran
9:91 Not unto the weak nor unto the sick nor unto those who can find
naught to spend is any fault (to be imputed though they stay at home)
if they are true to Allah and His messenger. Not unto the good is
there any road (of blame). Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
9:92 Nor unto those whom, when they came to thee (asking) that thou
shouldst mount them, thou didst tell: I cannot find whereon to mount
you. They turned back with eyes flowing with tears, for sorrow that
they could not find the means to spend.
9:93 The road (of blame) is only against those who ask for leave of
thee (to stay at home) when they are rich. They are content to be with
the useless. Allah hath sealed their hearts so that they know not.
9:94 They will make excuse to you (Muslims) when ye return unto them.
Say: Make no excuse, for we shall not believe you. Allah hath told us
tidings of you. Allah and His messenger will see your conduct, and
then ye will be brought back unto Him Who knoweth the Invisible as
well as the Visible, and He will tell you what ye used to do.
9:95 They will swear by Allah unto you, when ye return unto them, that
ye may let them be. Let them be, for lo! they are unclean, and their
abode is hell as the reward for what they used to earn. (9:81-83)
"They are unclean, and their abode is hell."
Non-muslim who pretend to believe (so they won't be killed by Muslims)
are unclean and will go to hell.
Hell in the Quran
9:96 They swear unto you, that ye may accept them. Though ye accept
them. Allah verily accepteth not wrongdoing folk.
9:97 The wandering Arabs are more hard in disbelief and hypocrisy, and
more likely to be ignorant of the limits which Allah hath revealed
unto His messenger. And Allah is Knower, Wise. (9:97-98)
"The evil turn of fortune will be theirs."
The unbelieving Arabs will be punished by Allah with an evil
fortune.
9:98 And of the wandering Arabs there is he who taketh that which he
expendeth (for the cause of Allah) as a loss, and awaiteth (evil)
turns of fortune for you (that he may be rid of it). The evil turn of
fortune will be theirs. Allah is Hearer, Knower.
9:99 And of the wandering Arabs there is he who believeth in Allah and
the Last Day, and taketh that which he expendeth and also the prayers
of the messenger as acceptable offerings in the sight of Allah. Lo!
verily it is an acceptable offering for them. Allah will bring them
into His mercy. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
9:100 And the first to lead the way, of the Muhajirin and the Ansar,
and those who followed them in goodness - Allah is well pleased with
them and they are well pleased with Him, and He hath made ready for
them Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide for
ever. That is the supreme triumph.
9:101 And among those around you of the wandering Arabs there are
hypocrites, and among the townspeople of Al-Madinah (there are some
who) persist in hypocrisy whom thou (O Muhammad) knowest not. We, We
know them, and We shall chastise them twice; then they will be
relegated to a painful doom. (9:101)
"We shall chastise them twice; then they will be relegated to a
painful doom."
Doom in the Quran
9:102 And (there are) others who have acknowledged their faults. They
mixed a righteous action with another that was bad. It may be that
Allah will relent toward them. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
9:103 Take alms of their wealth, wherewith thou mayst purify them and
mayst make them grow, and pray for them. Lo! thy prayer is an
assuagement for them. Allah is Hearer, Knower. (9:103) "Take alms of
their wealth."
Does Muhammad ask for a fee?
9:104 Know they not that Allah is He Who accepteth repentance from His
bondmen and taketh the alms, and that Allah is He Who is the
Relenting, the Merciful.
9:105 And say (unto them): Act! Allah will behold your actions, and
(so will) His messenger and the believers, and ye will be brought back
to the Knower of the Invisible and the Visible, and He will tell you
what ye used to do.
9:106 And (there are) others who await Allah's decree, whether He will
punish them or will forgive them. Allah is Knower, Wise.
9:107 And as for those who chose a place of worship out of opposition
and disbelief, and in order to cause dissent among the believers, and
as an outpost for those who warred against Allah and His messenger
aforetime, they will surely swear: We purposed naught save good. Allah
beareth witness that they verily are liars. (9:107) "They verily
are liars."
Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars.
9:108 Never stand (to pray) there. A place of worship which was found
upon duty (to Allah) from the first day is more worthy that thou
shouldst stand (to pray) therein, wherein are men who love to purify
themselves. Allah loveth the purifiers.
9:109 Is he who founded his building upon duty to Allah and His good
pleasure better; or he who founded his building on the brink of a
crumbling, overhanging precipice so that it toppled with him into the
fire of hell ? Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. (9:109) "Allah
guideth not wrongdoing folk."
Those that ignore Allah will be thown into the fire of hell.
Hell and The Fire in the Quran
9:110 The building which they built will never cease to be a misgiving
in their hearts unless their hearts be torn to pieces. Allah is
Knower, Wise.
9:111 Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their
wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way
of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding
on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His
covenant better than Allah ? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have
made, for that is the supreme triumph. (9:111) "Believers ...
shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain."
Believers must fight for Allah. They are bound to do so by the Torah,
Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it.
(9:111)
"Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth."
Does Muhammad ask for a fee?
9:112 (Triumphant) are those who turn repentant (to Allah), those who
serve (Him), those who praise (Him), those who fast, those who bow
down, those who fall prostrate (in worship), those who enjoin the
right and who forbid the wrong and those who keep the limits
(ordained) of Allah - And give glad tidings to believers!
9:113 It is not for the Prophet, and those who believe, to pray for
the forgiveness of idolaters even though they may be near of kin (to
them) after it hath become clear that they are people of hell-
fire. (9:113) "It is not for the Prophet, and those who believe,
to pray for the forgiveness of idolaters even though they may be near
of kin after it hath become clear that they are people of hell-fire."
Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear
they are people of hell-fire.
Hell and The Fire in the Quran
(9:114) "When it had become clear unto him that he (his father) was
an enemy to Allah he (Abraham) disowned him."
Abraham disowned his father for being an enemy of Allah.
(9:115) "It was never Allah's (part) that He should send a folk
astray."
Does Allah lead people astray?
9:114 The prayer of Abraham for the forgiveness of his father was only
because of a promise he had promised him, but when it had become clear
unto him that he (his father) was an enemy to Allah he (Abraham)
disowned him. Lo! Abraham was soft of heart, long-suffering.
9:115 It was never Allah's (part) that He should send a folk astray
after He had guided them until He had made clear unto them what they
should avoid. Lo! Allah is Aware of all things.
9:116 Lo! Allah! Unto Him belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and
the earth. He quickeneth and He giveth death. And ye have, instead of
Allah, no protecting friend nor helper.
9:117 Allah hath turned in mercy to the Prophet, and to the Muhajirin
and the Ansar who followed him in the hour of hardship. After the
hearts of a party of them had almost swerved aside, then turned He
unto them in mercy. Lo! He is Full of Pity, Merciful for them.
9:118 And to the three also (did He turn in mercy) who were left
behind, when the earth, vast as it is, was straitened for them, and
their own souls were straitened for them till they bethought them that
there is no refuge from Allah save toward Him. Then turned He unto
them in mercy that they (too) might turn (repentant unto Him). Lo!
Allah! He is the Relenting, the Merciful.
9:119 O ye who believe! Be careful of your duty to Allah, and be with
the truthful.
9:120 It is not for the townsfolk of Al-Madinah and for those around
them of the wandering Arabs so stay behind the messenger of Allah and
prefer their lives to his life. That is because neither thirst nor
toil nor hunger afflicteth them in the way of Allah, nor step they any
step that angereth the disbelievers, nor gain they from the enemy a
gain, but a good deed is recorded for them therefor. Lo! Allah loseth
not the wages of the good.
9:121 Nor spend they any spending, small or great, nor do they cross a
valley, but it is recorded for them, that Allah may repay them the
best of what they used to do.
9:122 And the believers should not all go out to fight. Of every troop
of them, a party only should go forth, that they (who are left behind)
may gain sound knowledge in religion, and that they may warn their
folk when they return to them, so that they may beware.
9:123 O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near
to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is
with those who keep their duty (unto Him). (9:123)
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to
you, and let them find harshness in you."
Is each person be free to believe as he or she wishes?
9:124 And whenever a surah is revealed there are some of them who say:
Which one of you hath thus increased in faith ? As for those who
believe, it hath increased them in faith and they rejoice
(therefor).
9:125 But as for those in whose hearts is disease, it only addeth
wickedness to their wickedness, and they die while they are
disbelievers. (9:125)
Disbelievers are wicked and have diseased hearts.
9:126 See they not that they are tested once or twice in every year ?
Still they turn not in repentance, neither pay they heed.
9:127 And whenever a surah is revealed, they look one at another (as
who should say): Doth anybody see you ? Then they turn away. Allah
turneth away their hearts because they are a folk who understand
not. (9:127) "Allah turneth away their hearts because they are a
folk who understand not."
9:128 There hath come unto you a messenger, (one) of yourselves, unto
whom aught that ye are overburdened is grievous, full of concern for
you, for the believers full of pity, merciful.
9:129 Now, if they turn away (O Muhammad) say: Allah sufficeth me.
There is no God save Him. In Him have I put my trust, and He is Lord
of the Tremendous Throne.
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though thou ask forgiveness for them seventy times Allah will not
forgive them. That is because they disbelieved in Allah and His
messenger--9:80
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9: Repentance
9:1 Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His
messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty.
(9:1-4)
"Allah is free from obligation to the idolaters, and (so is) His
messenger."
Allah and Muhammad are not bound by treaties made with idolaters
(except for those who don't oppose Allah or Muhammad).
(9:2)
"Ye cannot escape Allah. Allah will confound the disbelievers."
(9:3)
"Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve."
Doom in the Quran
(9:5) The Verse of the Sword
"Slay the idolaters wherever you find them."
Is each person be free to believe as he or she wishes?
9:2 Travel freely in the land four months, and know that ye cannot
escape Allah and that Allah will confound the disbelievers (in His
Guidance).
9:3 And a proclamation from Allah and His messenger to all men on the
day of the Greater Pilgrimage that Allah is free from obligation to
the idolaters, and (so is) His messenger. So, if ye repent, it will be
better for you; but if ye are averse, then know that ye cannot escape
Allah. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who
disbelieve,
9:4 Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a
treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have
supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to
them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto
Him).
9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters
wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and
prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship
and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is
Forgiving, Merciful.
9:6 And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O
Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and
afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are
a folk who know not. (9:6) "Afterward convey him to his place of
safety."
Those who submit and convert to Islam will be treated well. (Those who
don't submit will be killed. See previous verse.)
9:7 How can there be a treaty with Allah and with His messenger for
the idolaters save those with whom ye made a treaty at the Inviolable
Place of Worship ? So long as they are true to you, be true to them.
Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty. (9:7-9) "How can there
be any treaty for the others?"
Don't make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and
should not be trusted.
9:8 How (can there be any treaty for the others) when, if they have
the upper hand of you, they regard not pact nor honour in respect of
you ? They satisfy you with their mouths the while their hearts
refuse. And most of them are wrongdoers.
9:9 They have purchased with the revelations of Allah a little gain,
so they debar (men) from His way. Lo! evil is that which they are wont
to do.
9:10 And they observe toward a believer neither pact nor honour. These
are they who are transgressors.
9:11 But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due,
then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for
a people who have knowledge. (9:11) "If they repent and establish
worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in
religion."
Treat converts to Islam well. (Kill those who refuse to convert. See
9:5)
(9:12-14) "Fight them!"
Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will give you
victory. (Quoted by Osama bin Laden in his 'letter to America' as a
justification for the 11 September 2001 attacks.)
Is each person be free to believe as he or she wishes?
9:12 And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been
made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of
disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may
desist.
9:13 Will ye not fight a folk who broke their solemn pledges, and
purposed to drive out the messenger and did attack you first ? What!
Fear ye them ? Now Allah hath more right that ye should fear Him, if
ye are believers
9:14 Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will
lay them low and give you victory over them, and He will heal the
breasts of folk who are believers.
9:15 And He will remove the anger of their hearts. Allah relenteth
toward whom He will. Allah is Knower, Wise.
9:16 Or deemed ye that ye would be left (in peace) when Allah yet
knoweth not those of you who strive, choosing for familiar none save
Allah and His messenger and the believers ? Allah is Informed of what
ye do.
9:17 It is not for the idolaters to tend Allah's sanctuaries, bearing
witness against themselves of disbelief. As for such, their works are
vain and in the Fire they will abide. (9:17) "It is not for the
idolaters to tend Allah's sanctuaries ... their works are vain and in
the Fire they will abide."
The Fire
(9:18) Pay the poor-due, but only if they are Muslims. [Never help a
non-Muslim. (See 28:86)]
(9:19)
"Count ye the slaking of a pilgrim's thirst ... as (equal to the worth
of) him who believeth in Allah and the Last Day, and striveth in the
way of Allah?"
Helping the poor is not as important as believing in Islam and
fighting in holy wars.
9:18 He only shall tend Allah's sanctuaries who believeth in Allah and
the Last Day and observeth proper worship and payeth the poor-due and
feareth none save Allah. For such (only) is it possible that they can
be of the rightly guided.
9:19 Count ye the slaking of a pilgrim's thirst and tendance of the
Inviolable Place of Worship as (equal to the worth of) him who
believeth in Allah and the Last Day, and striveth in the way of Allah?
They are not equal in the sight of Allah. Allah guideth not wrongdoing
folk.
9:20 Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with
their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth
in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant.
9:21 Their Lord giveth them good tidings of mercy from Him, and
acceptance, and Gardens where enduring pleasure will be theirs;
9:22 There they will abide for ever. Lo! with Allah there is immense
reward.
9:23 O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for
friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of
you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers. (9:23) "Choose
not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure
in disbelief rather than faith."
Don't be friends with disbelieving family members. Those who do so are
wrong-doers.
(9:24) "If your fathers, and your sons, and your brethren, and your
wives ... are dearer to you than Allah and His messenger ... then wait
till Allah bringeth His command to pass."
If you value your parents, wives, and children more than Allah and
Muhammad, then just wait and see what Allah will do to you after you
die.
9:24 Say: If your fathers, and your sons, and your brethren, and your
wives, and your tribe, and the wealth ye have acquired, and
merchandise for which ye fear that there will no sale, and dwellings
ye desire are dearer to you than Allah and His messenger and striving
in His way: then wait till Allah bringeth His command to pass. Allah
guideth not wrongdoing folk.
9:25 Allah hath given you victory on many fields and on the day of
Huneyn, when ye exulted in your multitude but it availed you naught,
and the earth, vast as it is, was straitened for you; then ye turned
back in flight;
9:26 Then Allah sent His peace of reassurance down upon His messenger
and upon the believers, and sent down hosts ye could not see, and
punished those who disbelieved. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
(9:26) "Allah ... sent down host ye could not see."
Allah sent down angels (I guess) to fight for him! (But they were
invisible so no one could see them.)
(9:26) "Allah punished those who disbelieved."
(9:28) "The idolaters only are unclean."
Only idolaters are unclean. Keep them away from your places of
worship.
(9:29) "Fight against such of those who have been given the
Scripture as believe not in Allah until they pay the tribute (the
Jizya) readily, being brought low."
How should Jews and Christians be treated?
Is each person be free to believe as he or she wishes?
(9:30) "The Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah."
(Where and when did any Jew ever say that?)
(9:30)
"Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!"
(9:31)
"They have taken as lords ... their rabbis and their monks."
Jews and Christians consider rabbis and monks to be partners with God?
How do Muslims treat Muhammad?
9:27 Then afterward Allah will relent toward whom He will; for Allah
is Forgiving, Merciful.
9:28 O ye who believe! The idolaters only are unclean. So let them not
come near the Inviolable Place of Worship after this their year. If ye
fear poverty (from the loss of their merchandise) Allah shall preserve
you of His bounty if He will. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise.
9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as
believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah
hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth,
until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
9:30 And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians
say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their
mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah
(Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!
9:31 They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their
monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship
only One God. There is no God save Him. Be He Glorified from all that
they ascribe as partner (unto Him)!
9:32 Fain would they put out the light of Allah with their mouths, but
Allah disdaineth (aught) save that He shall perfect His light, however
much the disbelievers are averse.
9:33 He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the
Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion,
however much the idolaters may be averse. (9:33) "That He may cause
it to prevail over all religion"
The "Religion of Truth" (Islam) must prevail, by force if necessary,
over all other religions.
9:34 O ye who believe! Lo! many of the (Jewish) rabbis and the
(Christian) monks devour the wealth of mankind wantonly and debar
(men) from the way of Allah. They who hoard up gold and silver and
spend it not in the way of Allah, unto them give tidings (O Muhammad)
of a painful doom, (9:34) "Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful
doom" to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis.
Doom in the Quran
9:35 On the day when it will (all) be heated in the fire of hell, and
their foreheads and their flanks and their backs will be branded
therewith (and it will be said unto them): Here is that which ye
hoarded for yourselves. Now taste of what ye used to hoard. (9:35)
"Their foreheads and their flanks and their backs will be branded."
Those who are tormented in the Fire will have their foreheads and
backs branded.
Hell and The Fire in the Quran.
(9:36) "Wage war on all of the idolaters as they are waging war on
all of you."
In war with idolaters, do unto them as they do unto you.
(9:37) "Allah guideth not the disbelieving folk."
9:36 Lo! the number of the months with Allah is twelve months by
Allah's ordinance in the day that He created the heavens and the
earth. Four of them are sacred: that is the right religion. So wrong
not yourselves in them. And wage war on all of the idolaters as they
are waging war on all of you. And know that Allah is with those who
keep their duty (unto Him).
9:37 Postponement (of a sacred month) is only an excess of disbelief
whereby those who disbelieve are misled; they allow it one year and
forbid it (another) year, that they may make up the number of the
months which Allah hath hallowed, so that they allow that which Allah
hath forbidden. The evil of their deeds is made fairseeming unto them.
Allah guideth not the disbelieving folk.
9:38 O ye who believe! What aileth you that when it is said unto you:
Go forth in the way of Allah, ye are bowed down to the ground with
heaviness. Take ye pleasure in the life of the world rather than in
the Hereafter ? The comfort of the life of the world is but little in
the Hereafter. (9:38)
"The comfort of the life of the world is but little in the Hereafter."
Don't try to enjoy this life. The fun starts after you die. (If you
are a good Muslim, that is.)
9:39 If ye go not forth He will afflict you with a painful doom, and
will choose instead of you a folk other than you. Ye cannot harm Him
at all. Allah is Able to do all things. (9:39)
"If ye go not forth He will afflict you with a painful doom."
If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom.
Doom in the Quran
(9:39) "Ye cannot harm Him at all."
(9:40) Invisible armies!
Allah supported Muhammad with armies that no one else could see.
(9:41)
"Strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah!"
Fight for Allah with your wealth and whatever weapons are available to
you.
(9:42) "They verily are liars."
Those who refuse to fight for Allah (claiming they are unable) are
liars who have destroyed their souls.
9:40 If ye help him not, still Allah helped him when those who
disbelieve drove him forth, the second of two; when they two were in
the cave, when he said unto his comrade: Grieve not. Lo! Allah is with
us. Then Allah caused His peace of reassurance to descend upon him and
supported him with hosts ye cannot see, and made the word of those who
disbelieved the nethermost, while Allah's Word it was that became the
uppermost. Allah is Mighty, Wise.
9:41 Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your
wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye
but knew.
9:42 Had it been a near adventure and an easy journey they had
followed thee, but the distance seemed too far for them. Yet will they
swear by Allah (saying): If we had been able we would surely have set
out with you. They destroy their souls, and Allah knoweth that they
verily are liars.
9:43 Allah forgive thee (O Muhammad)! Wherefor didst thou grant them
leave ere those who told the truth were manifest to thee and thou
didst know the liars ?
9:44 Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day ask no leave of thee
lest they should strive with their wealth and their lives. Allah is
Aware of those who keep their duty (unto Him).
9:45 They alone ask leave of thee who believe not in Allah and the
Last Day, and whose hearts feel doubt, so in their doubt they
waver.
9:46 And if they had wished to go forth they would assuredly have made
ready some equipment, but Allah was averse to their being sent forth
and held them back and it was said (unto them): Sit ye with the
sedentary!
9:47 Had they gone forth among you they had added to you naught save
trouble and had hurried to and fro among you, seeking to cause
sedition among you; and among you there are some who would have
listened to them. Allah is Aware of evil- doers.
9:48 Aforetime they sought to cause sedition and raised difficulties
for thee till the Truth came and the decree of Allah was made
manifest, though they were loth.
9:49 Of them is he who saith: Grant me leave (to stay at home) and
tempt me not. Surely it is into temptation that they (thus) have
fallen. Lo! hell verily is all around the disbelievers. (9:49)
"Lo! hell verily is all around the disbelievers."
Disbelievers (and those who refuse to fight for Allah) go to hell.
Hell in the Quran
9:50 If good befalleth thee (O Muhammad) it afflicteth them, and if
calamity befalleth thee, they say: We took precaution, and they turn
away well pleased.
9:51 Say: Naught befalleth us save that which Allah hath decreed for
us. He is our Protecting Friend. In Allah let believers put their
trust!
9:52 Say: Can ye await for us aught save one of two good things (death
or victory in Allah's way) ? while we await for you that Allah will
afflict you with a doom from Him or at our hands. Await then! Lo! We
are awaiting with you. (9:52)
"Allah will afflict you with a doom from Him or at our hands."
Doom in the Quran
9:53 Say: Pay (your contribution), willingly or unwillingly, it will
not be accepted from you. Lo! ye were ever froward folk. (9:53-54)
"Save that they have disbelieved in Allah and in His messenger"
Pay your contribution willingly. Allah will not accept a contribution
from disbelievers or idlers.
9:54 And naught preventeth that their contributions should be accepted
from them save that they have disbelieved in Allah and in His
messenger, and they come not to worship save as idlers, and pay not
(their contribution) save reluctantly.
9:55 So let not their riches nor their children please thee (O
Muhammad). Allah thereby intendeth but to punish them in the life of
the world and that their souls shall pass away while they are
disbelievers.
9:56 And they swear by Allah that they are in truth of you, when they
are not of you, but they are folk who are afraid.
9:57 Had they but found a refuge, or caverns, or a place to enter,
they surely had resorted thither swift as runaways.
9:58 And of them is he who defameth thee in the matter of the alms. If
they are given thereof they are content, and if they are not given
thereof, behold! they are enraged.
9:59 (How much more seemly) had they been content with that which
Allah and His messenger had given them and had said: Allah sufficeth
us. Allah will give us of His bounty, and (also) His messenger. Unto
Allah we are suppliants.
9:60 The alms are only for the poor and the needy, and those who
collect them, and those whose hearts are to be reconciled, and to free
the captives and the debtors, and for the cause of Allah, and (for)
the wayfarer; a duty imposed by Allah. Allah is Knower, Wise. (9:60)
"Alms are only for the poor and the needy, ... to free the captives
and the debtors, ... and (for) the wayfarer."
But not for non-Muslims. [Never help a non-Muslim. (See 28:86)]
(9:61) "Those who vex the messenger of Allah, for them there is a
painful doom."
Doom in the Quran
9:61 And of them are those who vex the Prophet and say: He is only a
hearer. Say: A hearer of good for you, who believeth in Allah and is
true to the believers, and a mercy for such of you as believe. Those
who vex the messenger of Allah, for them there is a painful doom.
9:62 They swear by Allah to you (Muslims) to please you, but Allah,
with His messenger, hath more right that they should please Him if
they are believers. (9:62) "They ... please Him if they are
believers."
Allah is only pleased by true believers.
9:63 Know they not that whoso opposeth Allah and His messenger, his
verily is fire of hell, to abide therein? That is the extreme
abasement. (9:63) "Whoso opposeth Allah and His messenger, his
verily is fire of hell."
Hell and The Fire in the Quran
9:64 The hypocrites fear lest a surah should be revealed concerning
them, proclaiming what is in their hearts. Say: Scoff (your fill)! Lo!
Allah is disclosing what ye fear.
9:65 And if thou ask them (O Muhammad) they will say: We did but talk
and jest. Say: Was it at Allah and His revelations and His messenger
that ye did scoff ?
9:66 Make no excuse. Ye have disbelieved after your (confession of)
belief. If We forgive a party of you, a party of you We shall punish
because they have been guilty.
9:67 The hypocrites, both men and women, proceed one from another.
They enjoin the wrong, and they forbid the right, and they withhold
their hands (from spending for the cause of Allah). They forget Allah,
so He hath forgotten them. Lo! the hypocrites, they are the
transgressors.
9:68 Allah promiseth the hypocrites, both men and women, and the
disbelievers fire of hell for their abode. It will suffice them. Allah
curseth them, and theirs is lasting torment. (9:68) "Allah
promiseth the hypocrites, both men and women, and the disbelievers
fire of hell for their abode. It will suffice them. Allah curseth
them, and theirs is lasting torment."
Hell and The Fire in the Quran
9:69 Even as those before you who were mightier than you in strength,
and more affluent than you in wealth and children. They enjoyed their
lot awhile, so ye enjoy your lot awhile even as those before you did
enjoy their lot awhile. And ye prate even as they prated. Such are
they whose works have perished in the world and the Hereafter. Such
are they who are the losers.
9:70 Hath not the fame of those before them reached them - the folk of
Noah, A'ad, Thamud, the folk of Abraham, the dwellers of Midian and
the disasters (which befell them) ? Their messengers (from Allah) came
unto them with proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty). So Allah surely
wronged them not, but they did wrong themselves.
9:71 And the believers, men and women, are protecting friends one of
another; they enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and they
establish worship and they pay the poor-due, and they obey Allah and
His messenger. As for these, Allah will have mercy on them. Lo! Allah
is Mighty, Wise. (9:71) "Men and women are protecting friends of one
another; they enjoin the right and forbid the wrong ... and pay the
poor-due."
9:72 Allah promiseth to the believers, men and women, Gardens
underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide - blessed
dwellings in Gardens of Eden. And - greater (far)! - acceptance from
Allah. That is the supreme triumph.
9:73 O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be
harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's
end. (9:73) "Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites!
Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's
end."
Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are
end."
all going to hell anyway.
Hell and Doom in the Quran
(9:74) "Allah will afflict them [disbelievers] with a painful doom
in the world and the Hereafter, and they have no protecting friend nor
helper in the earth."
9:74 They swear by Allah that they said nothing (wrong), yet they did
say the word of disbelief, and did disbelieve after their Surrender
(to Allah). And they purposed that which they could not attain, and
they sought revenge only that Allah by His messenger should enrich
them of His bounty. If they repent it will be better for them; and if
they turn away, Allah will afflict them with a painful doom in the
world and the Hereafter, and they have no protecting friend nor helper
in the earth.
9:75 And of them is he who made a covenant with Allah (saying): If He
give us of His bounty we will give alms and become of the righteous.
9:76 Yet when He gave them of His bounty, they hoarded it and turned
away, averse;
9:77 So He hath made the consequence (to be) hypocrisy in their hearts
until the day when they shall meet Him, because they broke their word
to Allah that they promised Him, and because they lied.
9:78 Know they not that Allah knoweth both their secret and the
thought that they confide, and that Allah is the Knower of Things
Hidden ?
9:79 Those who point at such of the believers as give the alms
willingly and such as can find naught to give but their endeavours,
and deride them - Allah (Himself) derideth them. Theirs will be a
painful doom. (9:79) "Theirs will be a painful doom."
Doom in the Quran
9:80 Ask forgiveness for them (O Muhammad), or ask not forgiveness for
them; though thou ask forgiveness for them seventy times Allah will
not forgive them. That is because they disbelieved in Allah and His
messenger, and Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. (9:80) "Though
thou ask forgiveness for them seventy times Allah will not forgive
them. That is because they disbelieved in Allah and His messenger."
God will not forgive disbelievers, so don't ask.
Will Allah forgive anything?
(9:81-83)
"The fire of hell is more intense of heat."
Those who refuse to give their wealth and lives to Allah will face the
fire of hell.
Hell and The Fire in the Quran
9:81 Those who were left behind rejoiced at sitting still behind the
messenger of Allah, and were averse to striving with their wealth and
their lives in Allah's way. And they said: Go not forth in the heat!
Say: The fire of hell is more intense of heat, if they but
understood.
9:82 Then let them laugh a little: they will weep much, as the reward
of what they used to earn.
9:83 If Allah bring thee back (from the campaign) unto a party of them
and they ask of thee leave to go out (to fight), then say unto them:
Ye shall never more go out with me nor fight with me against a foe. Ye
were content with sitting still the first time. So sit still, with the
useless.
9:84 And never (O Muhammad) pray for one of them who dieth, nor stand
by his grave. Lo! they disbelieved in Allah and His messenger, and
they died while they were evil-doers. (9:84) "And never (O
Muhammad) pray for one of them who dieth, nor stand by his grave. Lo!
they disbelieved in Allah and His messenger."
Don't pray for dead disbelievers or attend their funerals.
(9:85-87)
"Let not their wealth nor their children please thee! "
Those who refuse to fight for Allah will be treated (along with their
children) as unbelievers.
9:85 Let not their wealth nor their children please thee! Allah
purposeth only to punish them thereby in the world, and that their
souls shall pass away while they are disbelievers.
9:86 And when a surah is revealed (which saith): Believe in Allah and
strive along with His messenger, the men of wealth among them still
ask leave of thee and say: Suffer us to be with those who sit (at
home).
9:87 They are content that they should be with the useless and their
hearts are sealed, so that they apprehend not.
9:88 But the messenger and those who believe with him strive with
their wealth and their lives. Such are they for whom are the good
things. Such are they who are the successful. (9:88) "Those who
believe with him [Muhammad] strive with their wealth and their
lives ... are the succeessful."
Those who fight for Islam with their lives and money are the
successful. They will be rewarded by Allah.
9:89 Allah hath made ready for them Gardens underneath which rivers
flow, wherein they will abide. That is the supreme triumph.
9:90 And those among the wandering Arabs who had an excuse came in
order that permission might be granted them. And those who lied to
Allah and His messenger sat at home. A painful doom will fall on those
of them who disbelieve. (9:90)
"A painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve."
Doom in the Quran
9:91 Not unto the weak nor unto the sick nor unto those who can find
naught to spend is any fault (to be imputed though they stay at home)
if they are true to Allah and His messenger. Not unto the good is
there any road (of blame). Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
9:92 Nor unto those whom, when they came to thee (asking) that thou
shouldst mount them, thou didst tell: I cannot find whereon to mount
you. They turned back with eyes flowing with tears, for sorrow that
they could not find the means to spend.
9:93 The road (of blame) is only against those who ask for leave of
thee (to stay at home) when they are rich. They are content to be with
the useless. Allah hath sealed their hearts so that they know not.
9:94 They will make excuse to you (Muslims) when ye return unto them.
Say: Make no excuse, for we shall not believe you. Allah hath told us
tidings of you. Allah and His messenger will see your conduct, and
then ye will be brought back unto Him Who knoweth the Invisible as
well as the Visible, and He will tell you what ye used to do.
9:95 They will swear by Allah unto you, when ye return unto them, that
ye may let them be. Let them be, for lo! they are unclean, and their
abode is hell as the reward for what they used to earn. (9:81-83)
"They are unclean, and their abode is hell."
Non-muslim who pretend to believe (so they won't be killed by Muslims)
are unclean and will go to hell.
Hell in the Quran
9:96 They swear unto you, that ye may accept them. Though ye accept
them. Allah verily accepteth not wrongdoing folk.
9:97 The wandering Arabs are more hard in disbelief and hypocrisy, and
more likely to be ignorant of the limits which Allah hath revealed
unto His messenger. And Allah is Knower, Wise. (9:97-98)
"The evil turn of fortune will be theirs."
The unbelieving Arabs will be punished by Allah with an evil
fortune.
9:98 And of the wandering Arabs there is he who taketh that which he
expendeth (for the cause of Allah) as a loss, and awaiteth (evil)
turns of fortune for you (that he may be rid of it). The evil turn of
fortune will be theirs. Allah is Hearer, Knower.
9:99 And of the wandering Arabs there is he who believeth in Allah and
the Last Day, and taketh that which he expendeth and also the prayers
of the messenger as acceptable offerings in the sight of Allah. Lo!
verily it is an acceptable offering for them. Allah will bring them
into His mercy. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
9:100 And the first to lead the way, of the Muhajirin and the Ansar,
and those who followed them in goodness - Allah is well pleased with
them and they are well pleased with Him, and He hath made ready for
them Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide for
ever. That is the supreme triumph.
9:101 And among those around you of the wandering Arabs there are
hypocrites, and among the townspeople of Al-Madinah (there are some
who) persist in hypocrisy whom thou (O Muhammad) knowest not. We, We
know them, and We shall chastise them twice; then they will be
relegated to a painful doom. (9:101)
"We shall chastise them twice; then they will be relegated to a
painful doom."
Doom in the Quran
9:102 And (there are) others who have acknowledged their faults. They
mixed a righteous action with another that was bad. It may be that
Allah will relent toward them. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
9:103 Take alms of their wealth, wherewith thou mayst purify them and
mayst make them grow, and pray for them. Lo! thy prayer is an
assuagement for them. Allah is Hearer, Knower. (9:103) "Take alms of
their wealth."
Does Muhammad ask for a fee?
9:104 Know they not that Allah is He Who accepteth repentance from His
bondmen and taketh the alms, and that Allah is He Who is the
Relenting, the Merciful.
9:105 And say (unto them): Act! Allah will behold your actions, and
(so will) His messenger and the believers, and ye will be brought back
to the Knower of the Invisible and the Visible, and He will tell you
what ye used to do.
9:106 And (there are) others who await Allah's decree, whether He will
punish them or will forgive them. Allah is Knower, Wise.
9:107 And as for those who chose a place of worship out of opposition
and disbelief, and in order to cause dissent among the believers, and
as an outpost for those who warred against Allah and His messenger
aforetime, they will surely swear: We purposed naught save good. Allah
beareth witness that they verily are liars. (9:107) "They verily
are liars."
Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars.
9:108 Never stand (to pray) there. A place of worship which was found
upon duty (to Allah) from the first day is more worthy that thou
shouldst stand (to pray) therein, wherein are men who love to purify
themselves. Allah loveth the purifiers.
9:109 Is he who founded his building upon duty to Allah and His good
pleasure better; or he who founded his building on the brink of a
crumbling, overhanging precipice so that it toppled with him into the
fire of hell ? Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. (9:109) "Allah
guideth not wrongdoing folk."
Those that ignore Allah will be thown into the fire of hell.
Hell and The Fire in the Quran
9:110 The building which they built will never cease to be a misgiving
in their hearts unless their hearts be torn to pieces. Allah is
Knower, Wise.
9:111 Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their
wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way
of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding
on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His
covenant better than Allah ? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have
made, for that is the supreme triumph. (9:111) "Believers ...
shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain."
Believers must fight for Allah. They are bound to do so by the Torah,
Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it.
(9:111)
"Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth."
Does Muhammad ask for a fee?
9:112 (Triumphant) are those who turn repentant (to Allah), those who
serve (Him), those who praise (Him), those who fast, those who bow
down, those who fall prostrate (in worship), those who enjoin the
right and who forbid the wrong and those who keep the limits
(ordained) of Allah - And give glad tidings to believers!
9:113 It is not for the Prophet, and those who believe, to pray for
the forgiveness of idolaters even though they may be near of kin (to
them) after it hath become clear that they are people of hell-
fire. (9:113) "It is not for the Prophet, and those who believe,
to pray for the forgiveness of idolaters even though they may be near
of kin after it hath become clear that they are people of hell-fire."
Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear
they are people of hell-fire.
Hell and The Fire in the Quran
(9:114) "When it had become clear unto him that he (his father) was
an enemy to Allah he (Abraham) disowned him."
Abraham disowned his father for being an enemy of Allah.
(9:115) "It was never Allah's (part) that He should send a folk
astray."
Does Allah lead people astray?
9:114 The prayer of Abraham for the forgiveness of his father was only
because of a promise he had promised him, but when it had become clear
unto him that he (his father) was an enemy to Allah he (Abraham)
disowned him. Lo! Abraham was soft of heart, long-suffering.
9:115 It was never Allah's (part) that He should send a folk astray
after He had guided them until He had made clear unto them what they
should avoid. Lo! Allah is Aware of all things.
9:116 Lo! Allah! Unto Him belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and
the earth. He quickeneth and He giveth death. And ye have, instead of
Allah, no protecting friend nor helper.
9:117 Allah hath turned in mercy to the Prophet, and to the Muhajirin
and the Ansar who followed him in the hour of hardship. After the
hearts of a party of them had almost swerved aside, then turned He
unto them in mercy. Lo! He is Full of Pity, Merciful for them.
9:118 And to the three also (did He turn in mercy) who were left
behind, when the earth, vast as it is, was straitened for them, and
their own souls were straitened for them till they bethought them that
there is no refuge from Allah save toward Him. Then turned He unto
them in mercy that they (too) might turn (repentant unto Him). Lo!
Allah! He is the Relenting, the Merciful.
9:119 O ye who believe! Be careful of your duty to Allah, and be with
the truthful.
9:120 It is not for the townsfolk of Al-Madinah and for those around
them of the wandering Arabs so stay behind the messenger of Allah and
prefer their lives to his life. That is because neither thirst nor
toil nor hunger afflicteth them in the way of Allah, nor step they any
step that angereth the disbelievers, nor gain they from the enemy a
gain, but a good deed is recorded for them therefor. Lo! Allah loseth
not the wages of the good.
9:121 Nor spend they any spending, small or great, nor do they cross a
valley, but it is recorded for them, that Allah may repay them the
best of what they used to do.
9:122 And the believers should not all go out to fight. Of every troop
of them, a party only should go forth, that they (who are left behind)
may gain sound knowledge in religion, and that they may warn their
folk when they return to them, so that they may beware.
9:123 O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near
to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is
with those who keep their duty (unto Him). (9:123)
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to
you, and let them find harshness in you."
Is each person be free to believe as he or she wishes?
9:124 And whenever a surah is revealed there are some of them who say:
Which one of you hath thus increased in faith ? As for those who
believe, it hath increased them in faith and they rejoice
(therefor).
9:125 But as for those in whose hearts is disease, it only addeth
wickedness to their wickedness, and they die while they are
disbelievers. (9:125)
Disbelievers are wicked and have diseased hearts.
9:126 See they not that they are tested once or twice in every year ?
Still they turn not in repentance, neither pay they heed.
9:127 And whenever a surah is revealed, they look one at another (as
who should say): Doth anybody see you ? Then they turn away. Allah
turneth away their hearts because they are a folk who understand
not. (9:127) "Allah turneth away their hearts because they are a
folk who understand not."
9:128 There hath come unto you a messenger, (one) of yourselves, unto
whom aught that ye are overburdened is grievous, full of concern for
you, for the believers full of pity, merciful.
9:129 Now, if they turn away (O Muhammad) say: Allah sufficeth me.
There is no God save Him. In Him have I put my trust, and He is Lord
of the Tremendous Throne.
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duke
Apr 3, 2012, 8:17:26 AM4/3/12
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On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 19:14:56 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com> wrote:
>On Apr 2, 4:38 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:05:59 -0700 (PDT), arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Why Muslims follow Jesus more closely than Christians
>>
>> >Pork - Jesus did not eat pork as described in Leviticus 11:7-8: "and
>> >the swine [...] of their flesh you shall not eat". Pork is also
>> >forbidden in the Qur'an, 2:173. Today, Christians eat pork, Muslims do
>> >not.
>>
>> Why don't muslims eat pork? Why didn't the Jews eat pork? Why does God care?
>
>The answer is easy, when that law was made the Jews were having to run
>and leave areas and so would not have time to cook meat and such till
>they are cooked, now a pig the pork has to be cooked till it is white
>to be safe to eat.
I know, but why would God make it a law not to eat pork? And people are not on
>On Apr 2, 4:38 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:05:59 -0700 (PDT), arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Why Muslims follow Jesus more closely than Christians
>>
>> >Pork - Jesus did not eat pork as described in Leviticus 11:7-8: "and
>> >the swine [...] of their flesh you shall not eat". Pork is also
>> >forbidden in the Qur'an, 2:173. Today, Christians eat pork, Muslims do
>> >not.
>>
>> Why don't muslims eat pork? Why didn't the Jews eat pork? Why does God care?
>
>The answer is easy, when that law was made the Jews were having to run
>and leave areas and so would not have time to cook meat and such till
>they are cooked, now a pig the pork has to be cooked till it is white
>to be safe to eat.
the move that way any more.
Why would God make it a law not to eat catfish or drink blood?
Dr. R. Knapp
Apr 3, 2012, 1:19:42 PM4/3/12
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On Apr 3, 8:17 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
enough could make one very sick even in 2012.
As for drinking blood, we know again that many have sickness in their
blood and such could also make one very sick. God knew people will do
what they want and no one can tell them what they can or can not do,
so just made it a law for the foolish and ignorant people could stay
well and be blessed
R Knapp
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 19:14:56 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>
> >On Apr 2, 4:38 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:05:59 -0700 (PDT), arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Why Muslims follow Jesus more closely than Christians
>
> >> >Pork - Jesus did not eat pork as described in Leviticus 11:7-8: "and
> >> >the swine [...] of their flesh you shall not eat". Pork is also
> >> >forbidden in the Qur'an, 2:173. Today, Christians eat pork, Muslims do
> >> >not.
>
> >> Why don't muslims eat pork? Why didn't the Jews eat pork? Why does God care?
>
> >The answer is easy, when that law was made the Jews were having to run
> >and leave areas and so would not have time to cook meat and such till
> >they are cooked, now a pig the pork has to be cooked till it is white
> >to be safe to eat.
>
> I know, but why would God make it a law not to eat pork? And people are not on
> the move that way any more.
>
> Why would God make it a law not to eat catfish or drink blood?
I gave you the medical answers as to why pork if it is not cooked long
>
> >On Apr 2, 4:38 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:05:59 -0700 (PDT), arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Why Muslims follow Jesus more closely than Christians
>
> >> >Pork - Jesus did not eat pork as described in Leviticus 11:7-8: "and
> >> >the swine [...] of their flesh you shall not eat". Pork is also
> >> >forbidden in the Qur'an, 2:173. Today, Christians eat pork, Muslims do
> >> >not.
>
> >> Why don't muslims eat pork? Why didn't the Jews eat pork? Why does God care?
>
> >The answer is easy, when that law was made the Jews were having to run
> >and leave areas and so would not have time to cook meat and such till
> >they are cooked, now a pig the pork has to be cooked till it is white
> >to be safe to eat.
>
> I know, but why would God make it a law not to eat pork? And people are not on
> the move that way any more.
>
> Why would God make it a law not to eat catfish or drink blood?
enough could make one very sick even in 2012.
As for drinking blood, we know again that many have sickness in their
blood and such could also make one very sick. God knew people will do
what they want and no one can tell them what they can or can not do,
so just made it a law for the foolish and ignorant people could stay
well and be blessed
R Knapp
arah
Apr 3, 2012, 1:25:17 PM4/3/12
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My dear duke,
We are what we ate!!!!
Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
known. The following points explain various aspects of this
prohibition:
1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
“Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
Allah.” [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
as to why pork is forbidden.
2. Pork prohibited in the Bible
The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures.
The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus-
“And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet
he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you”.
“Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not
touch, they are unclean to you.”[Leviticus 11:7-8]
Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy
“And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud,
it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch
their dead carcass.” [Deuteronomy 14:8]
A similar prohibition is repeated in the Bible in the book of Isaiah
chapter 65 verse 2-5.
3. Consumption of pork causes several diseases
The other non-Muslims and atheists will agree only if convinced
through reason, logic and science. Eating of pork can cause no less
than seventy different types of diseases. A person can have various
helminthes like roundworm, pinworm, hookworm, etc. One of the most
dangerous is Taenia Solium, which is in lay man’s terminology called
tapeworm. It harbours in the intestine and is very long. Its ova i.e.
eggs, enter the blood stream and can reach almost all the organs of
the body. If it enters the brain it can cause memory loss. If it
enters the heart it can cause heart attack, if it enters the eye it
can cause blindness, if it enters the liver it can cause liver damage.
It can damage almost all the organs of the body.
Another dangerous helminthes is Trichura Tichurasis. ( explain by
Bishop Knapp) A common misconception about pork is that if it is
cooked well, these ova die. In a research project undertaken in
America, it was found that out of twenty-four people suffering from
Trichura Tichurasis, twenty two had cooked the pork very well. This
indicates that the ova present in the pork do not die under normal
cooking temperature.
4. Pork has fat building material
Pork has very little muscle building material and contains excess of
fat. This fat gets deposited in the vessels and can cause hypertension
and heart attack. It is not surprising that over 50% of Americans
suffer from hypertension.
5. Pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth
The pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth. It lives and thrives
on muck, faeces and dirt. It is the best scavenger that I know that
God has produced. In the villages they don’t have modern toilets and
the villagers excrete in the open air. Very often excreta is cleared
by pigs.
Some may argue that in advanced countries like Australia, pigs are
bred in very clean and hygienic conditions. Even in these hygienic
conditions the pigs are kept together in sties. No matter how hard you
try to keep them clean they are filthy by nature. They eat and enjoy
their own as well as their neighbour’s excreta.
6. Pig is the most shameless animal
The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is
the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In
America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties,
they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say “you sleep with my wife and
I will sleep with your wife.” If you eat pigs then you behave like
pigs. We Indians look upon America to be very advanced and
sophisticated. Whatever they do, we follow after a few years.
According to an article in Island magazine, this practice of swapping
wives has become common in the affluent circles of Bombay.
http://sites.google.com/site/quransciences/food-science/pork-forbidden
On Apr 3, 3:17 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
We are what we ate!!!!
Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
known. The following points explain various aspects of this
prohibition:
1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
“Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
Allah.” [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
as to why pork is forbidden.
2. Pork prohibited in the Bible
The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures.
The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus-
“And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet
he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you”.
“Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not
touch, they are unclean to you.”[Leviticus 11:7-8]
Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy
“And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud,
it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch
their dead carcass.” [Deuteronomy 14:8]
A similar prohibition is repeated in the Bible in the book of Isaiah
chapter 65 verse 2-5.
3. Consumption of pork causes several diseases
The other non-Muslims and atheists will agree only if convinced
through reason, logic and science. Eating of pork can cause no less
than seventy different types of diseases. A person can have various
helminthes like roundworm, pinworm, hookworm, etc. One of the most
dangerous is Taenia Solium, which is in lay man’s terminology called
tapeworm. It harbours in the intestine and is very long. Its ova i.e.
eggs, enter the blood stream and can reach almost all the organs of
the body. If it enters the brain it can cause memory loss. If it
enters the heart it can cause heart attack, if it enters the eye it
can cause blindness, if it enters the liver it can cause liver damage.
It can damage almost all the organs of the body.
Another dangerous helminthes is Trichura Tichurasis. ( explain by
Bishop Knapp) A common misconception about pork is that if it is
cooked well, these ova die. In a research project undertaken in
America, it was found that out of twenty-four people suffering from
Trichura Tichurasis, twenty two had cooked the pork very well. This
indicates that the ova present in the pork do not die under normal
cooking temperature.
4. Pork has fat building material
Pork has very little muscle building material and contains excess of
fat. This fat gets deposited in the vessels and can cause hypertension
and heart attack. It is not surprising that over 50% of Americans
suffer from hypertension.
5. Pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth
The pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth. It lives and thrives
on muck, faeces and dirt. It is the best scavenger that I know that
God has produced. In the villages they don’t have modern toilets and
the villagers excrete in the open air. Very often excreta is cleared
by pigs.
Some may argue that in advanced countries like Australia, pigs are
bred in very clean and hygienic conditions. Even in these hygienic
conditions the pigs are kept together in sties. No matter how hard you
try to keep them clean they are filthy by nature. They eat and enjoy
their own as well as their neighbour’s excreta.
6. Pig is the most shameless animal
The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is
the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In
America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties,
they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say “you sleep with my wife and
I will sleep with your wife.” If you eat pigs then you behave like
pigs. We Indians look upon America to be very advanced and
sophisticated. Whatever they do, we follow after a few years.
According to an article in Island magazine, this practice of swapping
wives has become common in the affluent circles of Bombay.
http://sites.google.com/site/quransciences/food-science/pork-forbidden
On Apr 3, 3:17 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
Dr. R. Knapp
Apr 3, 2012, 1:43:24 PM4/3/12
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On Apr 3, 1:25 pm, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My dear duke,
>
> We are what we ate!!!!
>
> Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
>
> The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
> known. The following points explain various aspects of this
> prohibition:
>
> 1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
>
> The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
> different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
>
> “Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
> swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
> Allah.” [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
>
> The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
> as to why pork is forbidden.
So really you have no idea why not to eat pork, just because a book
> My dear duke,
>
> We are what we ate!!!!
>
> Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
>
> The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
> known. The following points explain various aspects of this
> prohibition:
>
> 1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
>
> The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
> different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
>
> “Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
> swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
> Allah.” [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
>
> The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
> as to why pork is forbidden.
tells you not to eat it, you were suppose to give a reason, you have
none.
>
> 2. Pork prohibited in the Bible
>
> The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures.
> The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus-
Oh my, the Quran needs to use the Bible to support it, so toss the
> 2. Pork prohibited in the Bible
>
> The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures.
> The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus-
Quran and use the Holy Bible as real children of God do use.
areas for food, now let them loose and they really love mud and such.
>
> The pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth. It lives and thrives
> on muck, faeces and dirt. It is the best scavenger that I know that
> God has produced. In the villages they don’t have modern toilets and
> the villagers excrete in the open air. Very often excreta is cleared
> by pigs.
>
> Some may argue that in advanced countries like Australia, pigs are
> bred in very clean and hygienic conditions. Even in these hygienic
> conditions the pigs are kept together in sties. No matter how hard you
> try to keep them clean they are filthy by nature. They eat and enjoy
> their own as well as their neighbour’s excreta.
>
> 6. Pig is the most shameless animal
duke
Apr 3, 2012, 3:30:42 PM4/3/12
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On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:19:42 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com> wrote:
>On Apr 3, 8:17 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 19:14:56 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Apr 2, 4:38 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:05:59 -0700 (PDT), arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >Why Muslims follow Jesus more closely than Christians
>>
>> >> >Pork - Jesus did not eat pork as described in Leviticus 11:7-8: "and
>> >> >the swine [...] of their flesh you shall not eat". Pork is also
>> >> >forbidden in the Qur'an, 2:173. Today, Christians eat pork, Muslims do
>> >> >not.
>>
>> >> Why don't muslims eat pork? Why didn't the Jews eat pork? Why does God care?
>>
>> >The answer is easy, when that law was made the Jews were having to run
>> >and leave areas and so would not have time to cook meat and such till
>> >they are cooked, now a pig the pork has to be cooked till it is white
>> >to be safe to eat.
>>
>> I know, but why would God make it a law not to eat pork? And people are not on
>> the move that way any more.
>>
>> Why would God make it a law not to eat catfish or drink blood?
>
>I gave you the medical answers as to why pork if it is not cooked long
>enough could make one very sick even in 2012.
I know. But why would God direct the Jews to do so, and why catfish and blood.
>On Apr 3, 8:17 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 19:14:56 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Apr 2, 4:38 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:05:59 -0700 (PDT), arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >Why Muslims follow Jesus more closely than Christians
>>
>> >> >Pork - Jesus did not eat pork as described in Leviticus 11:7-8: "and
>> >> >the swine [...] of their flesh you shall not eat". Pork is also
>> >> >forbidden in the Qur'an, 2:173. Today, Christians eat pork, Muslims do
>> >> >not.
>>
>> >> Why don't muslims eat pork? Why didn't the Jews eat pork? Why does God care?
>>
>> >The answer is easy, when that law was made the Jews were having to run
>> >and leave areas and so would not have time to cook meat and such till
>> >they are cooked, now a pig the pork has to be cooked till it is white
>> >to be safe to eat.
>>
>> I know, but why would God make it a law not to eat pork? And people are not on
>> the move that way any more.
>>
>> Why would God make it a law not to eat catfish or drink blood?
>
>I gave you the medical answers as to why pork if it is not cooked long
>enough could make one very sick even in 2012.
You have ideas, you lack comprehension.
>As for drinking blood, we know again that many have sickness in their
>blood and such could also make one very sick. God knew people will do
>what they want and no one can tell them what they can or can not do,
>so just made it a law for the foolish and ignorant people could stay
>well and be blessed
>
>R Knapp
duke
Apr 3, 2012, 3:32:38 PM4/3/12
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On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:25:17 -0700 (PDT), arah <arahar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>My dear duke,
>We are what we ate!!!!
>Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
>The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
>known. The following points explain various aspects of this
>prohibition:
>1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
>The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
>different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
>
>“Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
>swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
>Allah.” [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
>
>The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
>as to why pork is forbidden.
But W-H-Y??
>My dear duke,
>We are what we ate!!!!
>Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
>The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
>known. The following points explain various aspects of this
>prohibition:
>1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
>The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
>different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
>
>“Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
>swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
>Allah.” [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
>
>The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
>as to why pork is forbidden.
Why would God COMMAND men not to eat pork, catfish, blood? If it comes from
God, why does God care?
duke
Apr 3, 2012, 3:33:20 PM4/3/12
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On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:43:24 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com> wrote:
>On Apr 3, 1:25 pm, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> My dear duke,
>>
>> We are what we ate!!!!
>>
>> Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
>>
>> The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
>> known. The following points explain various aspects of this
>> prohibition:
>>
>> 1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
>>
>> The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
>> different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
>>
>> “Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
>> swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
>> Allah.” [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
>>
>> The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
>> as to why pork is forbidden.
>
>So really you have no idea why not to eat pork
The exact reason you have for not eating pork, catfish, or blood.
>On Apr 3, 1:25 pm, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> My dear duke,
>>
>> We are what we ate!!!!
>>
>> Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
>>
>> The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
>> known. The following points explain various aspects of this
>> prohibition:
>>
>> 1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
>>
>> The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
>> different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
>>
>> “Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
>> swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
>> Allah.” [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
>>
>> The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
>> as to why pork is forbidden.
>
>So really you have no idea why not to eat pork
Dr. R. Knapp
Apr 6, 2012, 8:06:02 AM4/6/12
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On Apr 3, 3:33 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
which is the only Book of God for the Church and believers.
I can see your point only we can see that such could harm a person, it
is not only what a book says, but what medicine also says, I can eat
pork and eat catfish, then blood, only if the hospital needs to give
blood to keep one alive, would I have blood, I like my Steak cooked
well done, maybe a little pink. Thank you for your view point.
R W. Knapp
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:43:24 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Apr 3, 1:25 pm, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> My dear duke,
>
> >> We are what we ate!!!!
>
> >> Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
>
> >> The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
> >> known. The following points explain various aspects of this
> >> prohibition:
>
> >> 1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
>
> >> The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
> >> different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
>
> >> “Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
> >> swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
> >> Allah.” [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
>
> >> The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
> >> as to why pork is forbidden.
>
> >So really you have no idea why not to eat pork
>
> The exact reason you have for not eating pork, catfish, or blood.
Since the Qur'an is not a book from God my reasons are the Holy Bible
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Apr 3, 1:25 pm, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> My dear duke,
>
> >> We are what we ate!!!!
>
> >> Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
>
> >> The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
> >> known. The following points explain various aspects of this
> >> prohibition:
>
> >> 1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
>
> >> The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
> >> different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
>
> >> “Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
> >> swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
> >> Allah.” [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
>
> >> The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
> >> as to why pork is forbidden.
>
> >So really you have no idea why not to eat pork
>
> The exact reason you have for not eating pork, catfish, or blood.
which is the only Book of God for the Church and believers.
I can see your point only we can see that such could harm a person, it
is not only what a book says, but what medicine also says, I can eat
pork and eat catfish, then blood, only if the hospital needs to give
blood to keep one alive, would I have blood, I like my Steak cooked
well done, maybe a little pink. Thank you for your view point.
R W. Knapp
Dr. R. Knapp
Apr 6, 2012, 7:58:11 AM4/6/12
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On Apr 3, 3:30 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
and told them what could hurt them and loved them so told them to be
careful in what they eat and drink. Remember in that time we did not
have medical facts about the harm in such could be. So God told them
what to do. Just like a teacher tells the students what to study and
what to do, to finish and graduate. We do not need to understand why
the teacher says such, but know they know why and we trust them to
protect us while in class.
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:19:42 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
> > >On Apr 3, 8:17 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 19:14:56 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>
> >> >On Apr 2, 4:38 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:05:59 -0700 (PDT), arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >Why Muslims follow Jesus more closely than Christians
>
> >> >> >Pork - Jesus did not eat pork as described in Leviticus 11:7-8: "and
> >> >> >the swine [...] of their flesh you shall not eat". Pork is also
> >> >> >forbidden in the Qur'an, 2:173. Today, Christians eat pork, Muslims do
> >> >> >not.
>
> >> >> Why don't muslims eat pork? Why didn't the Jews eat pork? Why does God care?
>
> >> >The answer is easy, when that law was made the Jews were having to run
> >> >and leave areas and so would not have time to cook meat and such till
> >> >they are cooked, now a pig the pork has to be cooked till it is white
> >> >to be safe to eat.
>
> >> I know, but why would God make it a law not to eat pork? And people are not on
> >> the move that way any more.
>
> >> Why would God make it a law not to eat catfish or drink blood?
>
> >I gave you the medical answers as to why pork if it is not cooked long
> >enough could make one very sick even in 2012.
>
> I know. But why would God direct the Jews to do so, and why catfish and blood.
> You have ideas, you lack comprehension.
Not my ideas, these facts and such show God loved His people the Jews,
> > >On Apr 3, 8:17 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 19:14:56 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>
> >> >On Apr 2, 4:38 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:05:59 -0700 (PDT), arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >Why Muslims follow Jesus more closely than Christians
>
> >> >> >Pork - Jesus did not eat pork as described in Leviticus 11:7-8: "and
> >> >> >the swine [...] of their flesh you shall not eat". Pork is also
> >> >> >forbidden in the Qur'an, 2:173. Today, Christians eat pork, Muslims do
> >> >> >not.
>
> >> >> Why don't muslims eat pork? Why didn't the Jews eat pork? Why does God care?
>
> >> >The answer is easy, when that law was made the Jews were having to run
> >> >and leave areas and so would not have time to cook meat and such till
> >> >they are cooked, now a pig the pork has to be cooked till it is white
> >> >to be safe to eat.
>
> >> I know, but why would God make it a law not to eat pork? And people are not on
> >> the move that way any more.
>
> >> Why would God make it a law not to eat catfish or drink blood?
>
> >I gave you the medical answers as to why pork if it is not cooked long
> >enough could make one very sick even in 2012.
>
> I know. But why would God direct the Jews to do so, and why catfish and blood.
> You have ideas, you lack comprehension.
and told them what could hurt them and loved them so told them to be
careful in what they eat and drink. Remember in that time we did not
have medical facts about the harm in such could be. So God told them
what to do. Just like a teacher tells the students what to study and
what to do, to finish and graduate. We do not need to understand why
the teacher says such, but know they know why and we trust them to
protect us while in class.
duke
Apr 6, 2012, 8:57:05 AM4/6/12
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 05:06:02 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com> wrote:
>On Apr 3, 3:33 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:43:24 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>> >On Apr 3, 1:25 pm, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> My dear duke,
>>
>> >> We are what we ate!!!!
>>
>> >> Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
>>
>> >> The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
>> >> known. The following points explain various aspects of this
>> >> prohibition:
>>
>> >> 1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
>>
>> >> The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
>> >> different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
>>
>> >> “Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
>> >> swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
>> >> Allah.” [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
>>
>> >> The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
>> >> as to why pork is forbidden.
>>
>> >So really you have no idea why not to eat pork
>>
>> The exact reason you have for not eating pork, catfish, or blood.
>Since the Qur'an is not a book from God my reasons are the Holy Bible
>which is the only Book of God for the Church and believers.
The koran is THEIR book from God almighty. You yourself are a major denier of
>On Apr 3, 3:33 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:43:24 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>> >On Apr 3, 1:25 pm, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> My dear duke,
>>
>> >> We are what we ate!!!!
>>
>> >> Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
>>
>> >> The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
>> >> known. The following points explain various aspects of this
>> >> prohibition:
>>
>> >> 1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
>>
>> >> The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
>> >> different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
>>
>> >> “Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
>> >> swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
>> >> Allah.” [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
>>
>> >> The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
>> >> as to why pork is forbidden.
>>
>> >So really you have no idea why not to eat pork
>>
>> The exact reason you have for not eating pork, catfish, or blood.
>Since the Qur'an is not a book from God my reasons are the Holy Bible
>which is the only Book of God for the Church and believers.
what Jesus called us to in our bible, such as the Holy Mass and 7 sacraments.
>I can see your point only we can see that such could harm a person, it
>is not only what a book says, but what medicine also says, I can eat
>pork and eat catfish, then blood, only if the hospital needs to give
>blood to keep one alive, would I have blood, I like my Steak cooked
>well done, maybe a little pink. Thank you for your view point.
blood, to avoid mildew, skin diseases, punishments, taking care of lamps, etc..
>R W. Knapp
arah
Apr 6, 2012, 9:50:36 AM4/6/12
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Birth Announcement
The Noble Qur'an Al-'Imran 3:42-63
42. And (remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily,
Allâh has chosen you, purified you (from polytheism and disbelief),
and chosen you above the women of the 'Alamîn (mankind and jinns) (of
her lifetime)."
43. O Mary! "Submit yourself with obedience to your Lord (Allâh, by
worshipping none but Him Alone) and prostrate yourself, and Irkâ'i
(bow down etc.) along with Ar-Râki'ûn (those who bow down etc.)."
44. This is a part of the news of the Ghaib (unseen, i.e. the news of
the past nations of which you have no knowledge) which We inspire you
with (O Muhammad SAW). You were not with them, when they cast lots
with their pens as to which of them should be charged with the care of
Maryam (Mary); nor were you with them when they disputed.
45. (Remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allâh
gives you the glad tidings of a Word ["Be!" - and he was! i.e. 'Iesa
(Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the
Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in
this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near
to Allâh."
46. "He will speak to the people in the cradle and in manhood, and he
will be one of the righteous."
47. She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has
touched me." He said: "So (it will be) for Allâh creates what He
wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: "Be!" and it
is.
48. And He (Allâh) will teach him ['Iesa (Jesus)] the Book and Al-
Hikmah (i.e. the Sunnah, the faultless speech of the Prophets, wisdom,
etc.), (and) the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel).
49. And will make him ['Iesa (Jesus)] a Messenger to the Children of
Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that
I design for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and
breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allâh's Leave; and I heal
him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by
Allâh's Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in
your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe.
50. And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Taurât
(Torah), and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you,
and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear Allâh and
obey me.
51. Truly! Allâh is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (Alone).
This is the Straight Path.
52. Then when 'Iesa (Jesus) came to know of their disbelief, he said:
"Who will be my helpers in Allâh's Cause?" Al-Hawâriûn (the disciples)
said: "We are the helpers of Allâh; we believe in Allâh, and bear
witness that we are Muslims (i.e. we submit to Allâh)."
53. Our Lord! We believe in what You have sent down, and we follow the
Messenger ['Iesa (Jesus)]; so write us down among those who bear
witness (to the truth i.e. Lâ ilâha ill-Allâh - none has the right to
be worshipped but Allâh).
54. And they (disbelievers) plotted [to kill 'Iesa (Jesus) <], and
Allâh planned too. And Allâh is the Best of the planners.
55. And (remember) when Allâh said: "O 'Iesa (Jesus)! I will take you
and raise you to Myself and clear you [of the forged statement that
'Iesa (Jesus) is Allâh's son] of those who disbelieve, and I will make
those who follow you (Monotheists, who worship none but Allâh)
superior to those who disbelieve [in the Oneness of Allâh, or
disbelieve in some of His Messengers, e.g. Muhammad SAW, 'Iesa
(Jesus), Mûsa (Moses), etc., or in His Holy Books, e.g. the Taurât
(Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), the Qur'ân] till the Day of
Resurrection[10]. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between
you in the matters in which you used to dispute."
56. "As to those who disbelieve, I will punish them with a severe
torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no
helpers."
57. And as for those who believe (in the Oneness of Allâh) and do
righteous good deeds, Allâh will pay them their reward in full. And
Allâh does not like the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers).
58. This is what We recite to you (O Muhammad SAW) of the Verses and
the Wise Reminder (i.e. the Qur'ân).
59. Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allâh is the likeness
of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and
he was.
60. (This is) the truth from your Lord, so be not of those who doubt.
61. Then whoever disputes with you concerning him ['Iesa (Jesus)]
after (all this) knowledge that has come to you, [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus)]
being a slave of Allâh, and having no share in Divinity) say: (O
Muhammad SAW) "Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and
your women, ourselves and yourselves - then we pray and invoke
(sincerely) the Curse of Allâh upon those who lie."
62. Verily! This is the true narrative [about the story of 'Iesa
(Jesus)], and, Lâ ilâha ill-Allâh (none has the right to be worshipped
but Allâh, the One and the Only True God, Who has neither a wife nor a
son). And indeed, Allâh is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.
63. And if they turn away (and do not accept these true proofs and
evidences), then surely, Allâh is All-Aware of those who do mischief.
Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 4.641, Narrated Sa'id bin Al Musaiyab
Abu Huraira said, "I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'There is none born
among the off-spring of Adam, but Satan touches it. A child therefore,
cries loudly at the time of birth because of the touch of Satan,
except Mary and her child." Then Abu Huraira recited: "And I seek
refuge with You for her and for her offspring from the outcast
Satan" (3.36)
He was one of many Prophets of Allah
The Noble Qur'an Al-Ma'idah 5:44-48
44. Verily, We did send down the Taurât (Torah) [to Mûsa (Moses)],
therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted
themselves to Allâh's Will, judged the Jews. And the rabbis and the
priests [too judged the Jews by the Taurât (Torah) after those
Prophets] for to them was entrusted the protection of Allâh's Book,
and they were witnesses thereto. Therefore fear not men but fear Me (O
Jews) and sell not My Verses for a miserable price. And whosoever does
not judge by what Allâh has revealed, such are the Kâfirûn (i.e.
disbelievers - of a lesser degree as they do not act on Allâh's
Laws).
45. And We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye,
nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for
equal." But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it
shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that
which Allâh has revealed, such are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong
doers - of a lesser degree).
46. And in their footsteps, We sent 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam
(Mary), confirming the Taurât (Torah) that had come before him, and We
gave him the Injeel (Gospel), in which was guidance and light and
confirmation of the Taurât (Torah) that had come before it, a guidance
and an admonition for Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).
47. Let the people of the Injeel (Gospel) judge by what Allâh has
revealed therein. And whosoever does not judge by what Allâh has
revealed (then) such (people) are the Fâsiqûn (the rebellious i.e.
disobedient (of a lesser degree) to Allâh.
48. And We have sent down to you (O Muhammad SAW) the Book (this
Qur'ân) in truth, confirming the Scripture that came before it and
Mohayminan (trustworthy in highness and a witness) over it (old
Scriptures). So judge between them by what Allâh has revealed, and
follow not their vain desires, diverging away from the truth that has
come to you. To each among you, We have prescribed a law and a clear
way. If Allâh willed, He would have made you one nation, but that (He)
may test you in what He has given you; so strive as in a race in good
deeds. The return of you (all) is to Allâh; then He will inform you
about that in which you used to differ.
Every Prophet of Allah was given signs
'Isa was miraculously able to speak plainly and wisely while still in
the cradle.
Hadith - Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 4, No. 645, Narrated Abu Huraira, r.a.
Narrated Abû Huraira : The Prophet (saaws) said, "None spoke in the
cradle but three: (The first was) Jesus, (the second child was): There
was a man from Banî Israel called Juraij. While he was offering
prayer, his mother came and called him. He said (to himself), "Shall I
answer her or keep on praying?" (He went on praying and did not answer
her).
His mother said, "O Allah! Do not let him die till he sees the faces
of prostitutes." So while he was in his hermitage, a lady came and
sought to seduce him, but he refused. So she went to a shepherd and
presented herself to him to commit illegal sexual intercourse with
her, and then later she gave brith to a child and claimed that it
belonged to Juraij. The people, therefore, came to him and dismantled
his hermitage and expelled him out of it and abused him. Juraij
performed ablution and offered prayer, and then came to the child and
said: "O child! Who is your father?" The child replied, "The
shepherd" (afteer hearing this) the people said, "We shall rebuild
your hermitage of gold," but he said: "No, of nothing but mud."
(The third was the hero of the following story): A lady from Banî
Israel was nursing her child at her breast when a handsome rider
passed by her. She said, "O Allah! Make my child like him." on that
the child left her breast and, facing the rider said: "O Allah! Do not
make me like him." The child then started to suck her breast again.
[(Abû Huraira further said, "As if I were now looking at the Prophet
sucking his finger (in way of demonstration.")]. After a while they
(some people) passed by, with a lady slave and she (i.e. the child's
mother) said, "O Allah! Do not make my child like this (slave girl)!"
On that the child left her breast, and said, "O Allah! Make me like
her." When she asked why, the child replied, "The rider is one of the
tyrants while this slave girl is falsely accused of theft and illegal
sexual intercourse."
Not on a cross - Taken Up by Allah
The Noble Qur'an - 4:157-158
And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa
(Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh," - but they
killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa
(Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those
who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain)
knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed
him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)]: But Allâh raised
him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he
is in the heavens). And Allâh is Ever AllPowerful, AllWise.
Hadith - Bukhari 4.656, Narrated Ibn Abbas, r.a.
Allah's Apostle said, "You will be resurrected (and assembled) bare-
footed, naked and uncircumcised." The Prophet then recited the Divine
Verse: "As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it: A promise
We have undertaken. Truly we shall do it." (21.104)
He added, "The first to be dressed will be Abraham. Then some of my
companions will take to the right and to the left. I will say: 'My
companions!' It will be said, 'They had been renegades since you left
them.' I will then say what the Pious Slave Jesus, the son of Mary
said: 'And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them; when
You did take me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a
Witness to all things. If You punish them, they are Your slaves, and
if you forgive them, You, only You are the All-Mighty the All-Wise.'
" (5.117-118) Narrated Quaggas, "Those were the apostates who renegade
from Islam during the Caliphate of Abu Bakr who fought them".
Jesus will return
Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 4.657, Narrated Abu Huraira, r.a.
Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely
(Jesus,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge
mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the Cross and kill the
pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non-
Muslims). Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it,
and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the
whole world and whatever is in it." Abu Huraira added "If you wish,
you can recite (this verse of the Holy Book): 'And there is none Of
the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) But must believe in
him (i.e Jesus as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) Before his
death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness Against
them." (4.159) (See Fateh Al Bari, Page 302 Vol 7)
Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 4.658, Narrated Abu Huraira, r.a.
Allah's Apostle said "How will you be when the son of Mary (i.e.
Jesus) descends amongst you and he will judge people by the Law of the
Qur'an and not by the law of Gospel (Fateh-ul Bari page 304 and 305
Vol 7).
On Apr 6, 3:57 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
duke
Apr 6, 2012, 12:29:23 PM4/6/12
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 06:50:36 -0700 (PDT), arah <arahar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Birth Announcement
Mary was born 600 years before mohammed.
>Birth Announcement
Mary was born 600 years before mohammed.
duke
Apr 6, 2012, 12:31:41 PM4/6/12
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>and told them what could hurt them and loved them so told them to be
>careful in what they eat and drink.
> Remember in that time we did not
>have medical facts about the harm in such could be. So God told them
>what to do. Just like a teacher tells the students what to study and
>what to do, to finish and graduate. We do not need to understand why
>the teacher says such, but know they know why and we trust them to
>protect us while in class.
>> >As for drinking blood, we know again that many have sickness in their
>> >blood and such could also make one very sick. God knew people will do
>> >what they want and no one can tell them what they can or can not do,
>> >so just made it a law for the foolish and ignorant people could stay
>> >well and be blessed
>>
>> >R Knapp
>
Dr. R. Knapp
Apr 6, 2012, 8:08:52 PM4/6/12
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On Apr 6, 8:57 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
to deny what Jesus did say, or that your Pope said? I never deny
Jesus or what He said and taught, you do that as a follower the
Catholic Church and their Holy Mass and sacraments etc. Now you also
believe that the Qur'an is from God, that is a shame.
> >I can see your point only we can see that such could harm a person, it
> >is not only what a book says, but what medicine also says, I can eat
> >pork and eat catfish, then blood, only if the hospital needs to give
> >blood to keep one alive, would I have blood, I like my Steak cooked
> >well done, maybe a little pink. Thank you for your view point.
>
> Yet you haven't addressed why God would tell us not to eat pork or catfish or
> blood, to avoid mildew, skin diseases, punishments, taking care of lamps, etc..
I do not need to address such, the Bible does that, read and learn the
answers.
> On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 05:06:02 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>
> >On Apr 3, 3:33 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:43:24 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
> >> >On Apr 3, 1:25 pm, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> My dear duke,
>
> >> >> We are what we ate!!!!
>
> >> >> Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
>
> >> >> The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
> >> >> known. The following points explain various aspects of this
> >> >> prohibition:
>
> >> >> 1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
>
> >> >> The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
> >> >> different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
>
> >> >> “Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
> >> >> swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
> >> >> Allah.” [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
>
> >> >> The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
> >> >> as to why pork is forbidden.
>
> >> >So really you have no idea why not to eat pork
>
> >> The exact reason you have for not eating pork, catfish, or blood.
> >Since the Qur'an is not a book from God my reasons are the Holy Bible
> >which is the only Book of God for the Church and believers.
>
> The koran is THEIR book from God almighty. You yourself are a major denier of
> what Jesus called us to in our bible, such as the Holy Mass and 7 sacraments.
No it is not from God Almighty, why do you think it is? Are you going
>
> >On Apr 3, 3:33 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:43:24 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
> >> >On Apr 3, 1:25 pm, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> My dear duke,
>
> >> >> We are what we ate!!!!
>
> >> >> Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
>
> >> >> The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
> >> >> known. The following points explain various aspects of this
> >> >> prohibition:
>
> >> >> 1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
>
> >> >> The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
> >> >> different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
>
> >> >> “Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
> >> >> swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
> >> >> Allah.” [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
>
> >> >> The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
> >> >> as to why pork is forbidden.
>
> >> >So really you have no idea why not to eat pork
>
> >> The exact reason you have for not eating pork, catfish, or blood.
> >Since the Qur'an is not a book from God my reasons are the Holy Bible
> >which is the only Book of God for the Church and believers.
>
> The koran is THEIR book from God almighty. You yourself are a major denier of
> what Jesus called us to in our bible, such as the Holy Mass and 7 sacraments.
to deny what Jesus did say, or that your Pope said? I never deny
Jesus or what He said and taught, you do that as a follower the
Catholic Church and their Holy Mass and sacraments etc. Now you also
believe that the Qur'an is from God, that is a shame.
> >I can see your point only we can see that such could harm a person, it
> >is not only what a book says, but what medicine also says, I can eat
> >pork and eat catfish, then blood, only if the hospital needs to give
> >blood to keep one alive, would I have blood, I like my Steak cooked
> >well done, maybe a little pink. Thank you for your view point.
>
> Yet you haven't addressed why God would tell us not to eat pork or catfish or
> blood, to avoid mildew, skin diseases, punishments, taking care of lamps, etc..
answers.
duke
Apr 7, 2012, 9:23:10 AM4/7/12
to
> I never deny Jesus or what He said and taught,
> you do that as a follower the
>Catholic Church and their Holy Mass and sacraments etc. Now you also
>believe that the Qur'an is from God, that is a shame.
muslims for that?
>> >I can see your point only we can see that such could harm a person, it
>> >is not only what a book says, but what medicine also says, I can eat
>> >pork and eat catfish, then blood, only if the hospital needs to give
>> >blood to keep one alive, would I have blood, I like my Steak cooked
>> >well done, maybe a little pink. Thank you for your view point.
>>
>> Yet you haven't addressed why God would tell us not to eat pork or catfish or
>> blood, to avoid mildew, skin diseases, punishments, taking care of lamps, etc..
>I do not need to address such, the Bible does that, read and learn the
>answers.
arah
Apr 7, 2012, 12:39:27 PM4/7/12
to
My dear Duke,
Why there were more stories of Mary in the Quran than in the bible?
THE VIRGIN MARY IN THE KORAN
Giancarlo Finazzo
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Among the persons of Sacred History mentioned in the Koran, the Virgin
Mary occupies an important position on the historical and dogmatic
plane. In addition to being the object of as many as thirty-four
direct or indirect references, Mary also gives Sura XIX its name and
is its central figure as the mother of Jesus. The characteristic note
of references to the Virgin in the Koran and, to an even greater
extent, in Islamic tradition, can be seen both in the information
about her genealogy and her childhood—a part of which is more detailed
than in the four Gospels—and in the language and way of narration
which are seen to be particularly significant. Without going deeply
into the question of the validity of the information and of the vast
Islamic exegetics or "Mariology" to which it has given rise, we will
limit ourself here to recalling that the sources of Moslem tradition
are, in this connection, the Arab Gospel of Childhood, the Protogospel
of James, the Gospel of Pseudo Matthew, the traditions of judaizing
Christians and the Hadith.
To confirm the extraordinary value of the person of Mary, the fact
that to her, alone among creatures, and to her Son, is attributed a
nature exempt from all sin, is sufficient. We know that the Islamic
religion ignores the concept of original sin; it attributes to man,
however, a natural defectibility which makes him impure and imperfect
from birth. Nevertheless, in a famous Hadith attributed to the
Prophet, it is affirmed that: "Every child is touched by the devil as
soon as he is born and this contact makes him cry. Excepted are Mary
and her Son". From this Hadith and from verses 35-37 of Sura III,
Moslem commentators have deduced and affirmed the principle of Mary's
original purity. God, in fact, according to the Koranic text, granted
the wish of Anna who consecrated to him Mary, about to be born, and
the One to whom she would give birth (III, 37). God predestined Mary
and purified her, raising her above all women (III, 45).
After this premise it is not surprising that the dogma of the
Immaculate Conception, though only implicitly contained in verses III,
31, 37, is univocally recognized by the Islamic religion. The
recognition arises without difficulty also from the repeated and
always unanimous evaluation of the extraordinary person of Mary and of
her pure life (III, 42; XXI 91; LXVI, 12) which set her, with her Son,
above every other created being.
Mary's childhood, as seen through the Koran narration and Islamic
tradition, is entirely a miracle. Mary grows under direct divine
protection, she is nourished daily by angels (III, 32) and has visions
of God every day. Everything contributes to making her and her Son a
signum for mankind (V, 79; XXI, 91; XXIII, 50). But if the detailed
narration of Mary's childhood confirms the exceptional value of her
person, it is necessary to stress that the greatness of Mary is
completely related to the extraordinary event constituted by the birth
of her son Jesus. The fearful and sweet vicissitudes that precede and
accompany the birth and the childhood of her whom God chose above all
women, are, in fact; nothing but the prelude to the coming of the
Messiah (III, 40). Therefore, in the intentions of Mahomet and the
whole Islamic tradition, the advent of the Man generated by the Word
(III, 45) finds in the history of the little Mary the mysterious
preceding fact that prepares the believer, even more than the Gospels
themselves do, for an expectation full of awe and hope.
This atmosphere, so charged with expectation and wonder, certainly
does not disappear at the moment of the annunciation—a moment that for
Mary is the highest and most mysterious one in her earthly life, and
that reveals to her at last the significance of her function in the
history of men. The Koran does not indicate the place in which this
mystery was carried but (XIX, 16). It asserts, on the contrary, (III,
42 FF: XIX, 17) that God sent his Spirit under the semblance of a
handsome young man who, similarly to what is narrated in the Gospel of
Pseudo Matthew, was the Archangel Gabriel, often identified in ancient
time with the Spirit of truth or with times divine Spirit (ruh ul-amin
and ruh Allah, XVI, 102; XIX, 17; XXVI, 193). It. should be pointed
out that in the Koran version Mary does not utter the fiat which
expresses her responsible acceptance of the divine will. Here she
merely asks: "How can I give birth to a son if no man has touched
me?"; receiving the answer; "Just so! God creates what he wants: when
he decides something, it is enough that he should say: let it be! and
it is" (III, 147; XIX, 203). A version that confirms the typically
Islamic sense of the absolute authority and power of God, and the
complete submission of man to his will.
The Koran then narrates that Mary, feeling the moment approach in
which she would give birth, withdrew to a lonely place in the East.
Moslem exegetics is not unanimous in recognizing Bethlehem as the
place of the Messiah's birth nor does it seem to have attached much
importance to the question. It lingered, on the contrary, on the
episode of Mary who, tired and sad, invokes death (XIX, 22-26). The
Spirit of truth answers her once more, bringing to her both spiritual
and material comfort. Here, in fact, is inserted the well-known and
delightful story of the Virgin who quenches her thirst with the water
of a stream that suddenly gushes out under her feet, and who feeds on
the dates of a palm tree.
The Koran gives no details about the birth of Jesus. It at once
presents Mary who, returning among her people and showing them the
Child, becomes the object of terrible slanders. The episode, brief but
dramatic, is suddenly solved when the Infant, speaking unexpectedly
from the cradle, takes his Mother's defence and exonerates her from
all blame (XIX, 30-33). This miracle, to which the Koran refers more
than once (e.g. III, 46; V, 113), is among those that have made most
impression on the imagination of Moslem believers and that are still
alive in their conscience. The episode, however, has also a kerigmatic
importance for Islamic theology , since the fact that the Child speaks
from the cradle is a violation of natural laws and therefore bears
witness to the greatness of the Spirit that is in him.
The Koran does not give us any other information on the Virgin's life,
while tradition recalls various and partly conflicting versions of the
last years of her earthly presence and of her ascension to heaven. But
neither the Koran nor tradition give the story of the Transitus
Mariae.
Mahomet defended Mary's virginity
Those who do not know the Islamic religion may be surprised to learn
that Mahomet defended Mary's virginity, or that he recognized her as
the woman chosen by God for a function that was to be unique in
history. Mahomet's commitment to defend her and exalt her, also
explains his harsh condemnation of the Jews (e.g. V, 156), guilty of
persisting in the slander and in refusing to admit Mary's unique role.
It is necessary to clarify, however, that, also for Mahomet, Mary is
unimaginable if dissociated from her Son: the divine election and the
purity of the Mother are directly proportioned to the qualities of the
Son; the moment of their interdependence is greatly felt, therefore,
since the historical greatness of Mary is conditioned by that of her
Son, and the Son in his turn depends on his Mother, who constitutes
the indispensable promise for his presence on earth. In the Koran
Christ is called repeatedly Issa ibn Maryam—"Jesus son of Mary" (V,
19, 75, 81, 113; XIX, 34)—a name which if it will become perhaps the
best known one in the Islamic world, will also be the one that
characterizes most the figure of Christ. This correlation, which has
led Moslem religious thought to affirm the indissolubility of the dual
concept Mary-Jesus and to base its refutation of Christian doctrine on
it, seems to have its foundation in the principle of necessity. The
negation of Christ's divinity finds its reason, in fact, precisely in
Mary's human nature; that is, in the genetic relationship which,
entailing the transmission of properties, would exclude a leap of
quality from Mother to Son.
This conception, in which there is also inherent the idea of the
primacy of the female line over the male line (in the Koran narration
of Mary's life, while the person of Zacharias, the Virgin's uncle and
guardian, is thwarted by the constant presence of the Angel of the
Lord, that of Joseph is completely ignored), is due, in our opinion,
more than to the influence of the apocrypha, to an ancient way of
feeling that is characteristic of the Semites of Arabia. It is a way
of feeling which, is also alive in Mahomet and which leads to mental
operations of the analogical type, to a thought geared less to
speculation than to the pursuit of parallelisms, to the concordance of
diverse but congruent elements, and therefore to the vision of a firm
reality, because it is founded on perfect and therefore immutable
relationships, which seem to exclude the possibility of gradual
evolution. What Mahomet and his commentators failed to grasp
intellectually, is the concept that the presence of God can come about
in different ways, realizing itself as a circumstantial and determined
presence, without causing for this reason any alternation in God
himself. This presence, furthermore, may have the character of a
gradual and growing manifestation; and may mark a new temporal effect
at the very moment in which God sets up a new relationship with his
creatures. That Islamic theology should find it so difficult to grasp
this concept, seems almost incomprehensible when it is remembered that
Mahomet himself, in addition to affirming with unusual forcefulness
the omnipotence of God, also perceived a certain development God's
manifestation of himself through his "messengers", and recognized
Moses, and particularly Jesus and himself, as having a role which,
though not well defined theoretically, seems superior to that of the
other prophets.
In this case, too, mention should be made, for the sake of equity, of
the doctrinal difficulties connected with the Arab social and
religious environment in the sixth and seventh centuries, which
Mahomet had to cope with and by which he was conditioned to no small
degree. Also the historical figure of Mary raised problems for him. At
the end of the century, in fact, precisely some Christians of Arabia
had introduced the Marian cult which, in the time of Mahomet, had
already degenerated into worship of the Virgin as the third person of
the Holy Trinity. The inevitable disapproval and condemnation by the
prophet of Islam, thus involved the historical person of Mary in new
polemics.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Taken from:
L'Osservatore Romano
Weekly Edition in English
13 April 1978, page 4
On Apr 6, 7:29 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
Why there were more stories of Mary in the Quran than in the bible?
THE VIRGIN MARY IN THE KORAN
Giancarlo Finazzo
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Among the persons of Sacred History mentioned in the Koran, the Virgin
Mary occupies an important position on the historical and dogmatic
plane. In addition to being the object of as many as thirty-four
direct or indirect references, Mary also gives Sura XIX its name and
is its central figure as the mother of Jesus. The characteristic note
of references to the Virgin in the Koran and, to an even greater
extent, in Islamic tradition, can be seen both in the information
about her genealogy and her childhood—a part of which is more detailed
than in the four Gospels—and in the language and way of narration
which are seen to be particularly significant. Without going deeply
into the question of the validity of the information and of the vast
Islamic exegetics or "Mariology" to which it has given rise, we will
limit ourself here to recalling that the sources of Moslem tradition
are, in this connection, the Arab Gospel of Childhood, the Protogospel
of James, the Gospel of Pseudo Matthew, the traditions of judaizing
Christians and the Hadith.
To confirm the extraordinary value of the person of Mary, the fact
that to her, alone among creatures, and to her Son, is attributed a
nature exempt from all sin, is sufficient. We know that the Islamic
religion ignores the concept of original sin; it attributes to man,
however, a natural defectibility which makes him impure and imperfect
from birth. Nevertheless, in a famous Hadith attributed to the
Prophet, it is affirmed that: "Every child is touched by the devil as
soon as he is born and this contact makes him cry. Excepted are Mary
and her Son". From this Hadith and from verses 35-37 of Sura III,
Moslem commentators have deduced and affirmed the principle of Mary's
original purity. God, in fact, according to the Koranic text, granted
the wish of Anna who consecrated to him Mary, about to be born, and
the One to whom she would give birth (III, 37). God predestined Mary
and purified her, raising her above all women (III, 45).
After this premise it is not surprising that the dogma of the
Immaculate Conception, though only implicitly contained in verses III,
31, 37, is univocally recognized by the Islamic religion. The
recognition arises without difficulty also from the repeated and
always unanimous evaluation of the extraordinary person of Mary and of
her pure life (III, 42; XXI 91; LXVI, 12) which set her, with her Son,
above every other created being.
Mary's childhood, as seen through the Koran narration and Islamic
tradition, is entirely a miracle. Mary grows under direct divine
protection, she is nourished daily by angels (III, 32) and has visions
of God every day. Everything contributes to making her and her Son a
signum for mankind (V, 79; XXI, 91; XXIII, 50). But if the detailed
narration of Mary's childhood confirms the exceptional value of her
person, it is necessary to stress that the greatness of Mary is
completely related to the extraordinary event constituted by the birth
of her son Jesus. The fearful and sweet vicissitudes that precede and
accompany the birth and the childhood of her whom God chose above all
women, are, in fact; nothing but the prelude to the coming of the
Messiah (III, 40). Therefore, in the intentions of Mahomet and the
whole Islamic tradition, the advent of the Man generated by the Word
(III, 45) finds in the history of the little Mary the mysterious
preceding fact that prepares the believer, even more than the Gospels
themselves do, for an expectation full of awe and hope.
This atmosphere, so charged with expectation and wonder, certainly
does not disappear at the moment of the annunciation—a moment that for
Mary is the highest and most mysterious one in her earthly life, and
that reveals to her at last the significance of her function in the
history of men. The Koran does not indicate the place in which this
mystery was carried but (XIX, 16). It asserts, on the contrary, (III,
42 FF: XIX, 17) that God sent his Spirit under the semblance of a
handsome young man who, similarly to what is narrated in the Gospel of
Pseudo Matthew, was the Archangel Gabriel, often identified in ancient
time with the Spirit of truth or with times divine Spirit (ruh ul-amin
and ruh Allah, XVI, 102; XIX, 17; XXVI, 193). It. should be pointed
out that in the Koran version Mary does not utter the fiat which
expresses her responsible acceptance of the divine will. Here she
merely asks: "How can I give birth to a son if no man has touched
me?"; receiving the answer; "Just so! God creates what he wants: when
he decides something, it is enough that he should say: let it be! and
it is" (III, 147; XIX, 203). A version that confirms the typically
Islamic sense of the absolute authority and power of God, and the
complete submission of man to his will.
The Koran then narrates that Mary, feeling the moment approach in
which she would give birth, withdrew to a lonely place in the East.
Moslem exegetics is not unanimous in recognizing Bethlehem as the
place of the Messiah's birth nor does it seem to have attached much
importance to the question. It lingered, on the contrary, on the
episode of Mary who, tired and sad, invokes death (XIX, 22-26). The
Spirit of truth answers her once more, bringing to her both spiritual
and material comfort. Here, in fact, is inserted the well-known and
delightful story of the Virgin who quenches her thirst with the water
of a stream that suddenly gushes out under her feet, and who feeds on
the dates of a palm tree.
The Koran gives no details about the birth of Jesus. It at once
presents Mary who, returning among her people and showing them the
Child, becomes the object of terrible slanders. The episode, brief but
dramatic, is suddenly solved when the Infant, speaking unexpectedly
from the cradle, takes his Mother's defence and exonerates her from
all blame (XIX, 30-33). This miracle, to which the Koran refers more
than once (e.g. III, 46; V, 113), is among those that have made most
impression on the imagination of Moslem believers and that are still
alive in their conscience. The episode, however, has also a kerigmatic
importance for Islamic theology , since the fact that the Child speaks
from the cradle is a violation of natural laws and therefore bears
witness to the greatness of the Spirit that is in him.
The Koran does not give us any other information on the Virgin's life,
while tradition recalls various and partly conflicting versions of the
last years of her earthly presence and of her ascension to heaven. But
neither the Koran nor tradition give the story of the Transitus
Mariae.
Mahomet defended Mary's virginity
Those who do not know the Islamic religion may be surprised to learn
that Mahomet defended Mary's virginity, or that he recognized her as
the woman chosen by God for a function that was to be unique in
history. Mahomet's commitment to defend her and exalt her, also
explains his harsh condemnation of the Jews (e.g. V, 156), guilty of
persisting in the slander and in refusing to admit Mary's unique role.
It is necessary to clarify, however, that, also for Mahomet, Mary is
unimaginable if dissociated from her Son: the divine election and the
purity of the Mother are directly proportioned to the qualities of the
Son; the moment of their interdependence is greatly felt, therefore,
since the historical greatness of Mary is conditioned by that of her
Son, and the Son in his turn depends on his Mother, who constitutes
the indispensable promise for his presence on earth. In the Koran
Christ is called repeatedly Issa ibn Maryam—"Jesus son of Mary" (V,
19, 75, 81, 113; XIX, 34)—a name which if it will become perhaps the
best known one in the Islamic world, will also be the one that
characterizes most the figure of Christ. This correlation, which has
led Moslem religious thought to affirm the indissolubility of the dual
concept Mary-Jesus and to base its refutation of Christian doctrine on
it, seems to have its foundation in the principle of necessity. The
negation of Christ's divinity finds its reason, in fact, precisely in
Mary's human nature; that is, in the genetic relationship which,
entailing the transmission of properties, would exclude a leap of
quality from Mother to Son.
This conception, in which there is also inherent the idea of the
primacy of the female line over the male line (in the Koran narration
of Mary's life, while the person of Zacharias, the Virgin's uncle and
guardian, is thwarted by the constant presence of the Angel of the
Lord, that of Joseph is completely ignored), is due, in our opinion,
more than to the influence of the apocrypha, to an ancient way of
feeling that is characteristic of the Semites of Arabia. It is a way
of feeling which, is also alive in Mahomet and which leads to mental
operations of the analogical type, to a thought geared less to
speculation than to the pursuit of parallelisms, to the concordance of
diverse but congruent elements, and therefore to the vision of a firm
reality, because it is founded on perfect and therefore immutable
relationships, which seem to exclude the possibility of gradual
evolution. What Mahomet and his commentators failed to grasp
intellectually, is the concept that the presence of God can come about
in different ways, realizing itself as a circumstantial and determined
presence, without causing for this reason any alternation in God
himself. This presence, furthermore, may have the character of a
gradual and growing manifestation; and may mark a new temporal effect
at the very moment in which God sets up a new relationship with his
creatures. That Islamic theology should find it so difficult to grasp
this concept, seems almost incomprehensible when it is remembered that
Mahomet himself, in addition to affirming with unusual forcefulness
the omnipotence of God, also perceived a certain development God's
manifestation of himself through his "messengers", and recognized
Moses, and particularly Jesus and himself, as having a role which,
though not well defined theoretically, seems superior to that of the
other prophets.
In this case, too, mention should be made, for the sake of equity, of
the doctrinal difficulties connected with the Arab social and
religious environment in the sixth and seventh centuries, which
Mahomet had to cope with and by which he was conditioned to no small
degree. Also the historical figure of Mary raised problems for him. At
the end of the century, in fact, precisely some Christians of Arabia
had introduced the Marian cult which, in the time of Mahomet, had
already degenerated into worship of the Virgin as the third person of
the Holy Trinity. The inevitable disapproval and condemnation by the
prophet of Islam, thus involved the historical person of Mary in new
polemics.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Taken from:
L'Osservatore Romano
Weekly Edition in English
13 April 1978, page 4
On Apr 6, 7:29 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
duke
Apr 7, 2012, 4:54:30 PM4/7/12
to
On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 09:39:27 -0700 (PDT), arah <arahar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>My dear Duke,
>Why there were more stories of Mary in the Quran than in the bible?
Because Jesus is the Son of God.
>My dear Duke,
>Why there were more stories of Mary in the Quran than in the bible?
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
Apr 7, 2012, 7:34:15 PM4/7/12
to
Lu 1:43 - And whence is this to me,
that the mother of my Lord
should come to me?
Theotokos
From OrthodoxWiki
The Holy Theotokos and Ever-Virgin MaryThe Virgin Mary is the
Theotokos, the mother of Jesus Christ, the Son and Word of God. She
conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit. She was cared for by her
betrothed husband, Joseph, who took the child and his mother into his
home as his own. One very strong tradition in the Orthodox Church
holds that the birth of Jesus was also miraculous and left Mary's
virginity intact as a sign; it is also the tradition of the Church
that Joseph and Mary did not have relations after the birth of Jesus.
She is also called Panagia, the "All-Holy," indicating her closeness
to God in her obedience.
The title Theotokos (in Greek, Θεοτοκος) is a Greek word that means
"God-bearer" or "Birth-giver to God."
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Theotokos
that the mother of my Lord
should come to me?
Theotokos
From OrthodoxWiki
The Holy Theotokos and Ever-Virgin MaryThe Virgin Mary is the
Theotokos, the mother of Jesus Christ, the Son and Word of God. She
conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit. She was cared for by her
betrothed husband, Joseph, who took the child and his mother into his
home as his own. One very strong tradition in the Orthodox Church
holds that the birth of Jesus was also miraculous and left Mary's
virginity intact as a sign; it is also the tradition of the Church
that Joseph and Mary did not have relations after the birth of Jesus.
She is also called Panagia, the "All-Holy," indicating her closeness
to God in her obedience.
The title Theotokos (in Greek, Θεοτοκος) is a Greek word that means
"God-bearer" or "Birth-giver to God."
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Theotokos
• R. L. Measures.
Apr 7, 2012, 11:04:16 PM4/7/12
to
In article <1ba1o7pg7fio7lvma...@4ax.com>, duke
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 09:39:27 -0700 (PDT), arah <arahar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>My dear Duke,
>>Why there were more stories of Mary in the Quran than in the bible?
>
>Because Jesus is the Son of God.
>
• bananas
>On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 09:39:27 -0700 (PDT), arah <arahar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>My dear Duke,
>>Why there were more stories of Mary in the Quran than in the bible?
>
>Because Jesus is the Son of God.
>
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
• R. L. Measures.
Apr 7, 2012, 11:13:06 PM4/7/12
to
In article
<b5383058-4645-4b22...@k4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
back through the Veil in the Celestial Kingdom after gave birth to Jesus.
. Maybe this is what Madonna was talking about in the song "Like a
Virgin"?
>. it is also the tradition of the Church
of Jesus' siblings?
>She is also called Panagia, the "All-Holy," indicating her closeness
>to God in her obedience.
>
>The title Theotokos (in Greek, =C8=E5=EF=F4=EF=EA=EF=F2) is a Greek word th=
<b5383058-4645-4b22...@k4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
"jwshe...@satx.rr.com" <jwshe...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>Lu 1:43 - And whence is this to me,
> that the mother of my Lord
> should come to me?
>
>Theotokos
>From OrthodoxWiki
>
>The Holy Theotokos and Ever-Virgin MaryThe Virgin Mary is the
>Theotokos, the mother of Jesus Christ, the Son and Word of God. She
>conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit. She was cared for by her
>betrothed husband, Joseph, who took the child and his mother into his
>home as his own. One very strong tradition in the Orthodox Church
>holds that the birth of Jesus was also miraculous and left Mary's
>virginity intact as a sign;
• Mormons teach that Mary's hymen was auto-resurrected as she passed
>Lu 1:43 - And whence is this to me,
> that the mother of my Lord
> should come to me?
>
>Theotokos
>From OrthodoxWiki
>
>The Holy Theotokos and Ever-Virgin MaryThe Virgin Mary is the
>Theotokos, the mother of Jesus Christ, the Son and Word of God. She
>conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit. She was cared for by her
>betrothed husband, Joseph, who took the child and his mother into his
>home as his own. One very strong tradition in the Orthodox Church
>holds that the birth of Jesus was also miraculous and left Mary's
>virginity intact as a sign;
back through the Veil in the Celestial Kingdom after gave birth to Jesus.
. Maybe this is what Madonna was talking about in the song "Like a
Virgin"?
>. it is also the tradition of the Church
>that Joseph and Mary did not have relations after the birth of Jesus.
• So who was the Mary spoken about in Matthew 13:55 who gave birth to 6
of Jesus' siblings?
>She is also called Panagia, the "All-Holy," indicating her closeness
>to God in her obedience.
>
duke
Apr 8, 2012, 9:24:49 AM4/8/12
to
On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:04:16 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>In article <1ba1o7pg7fio7lvma...@4ax.com>, duke
><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 09:39:27 -0700 (PDT), arah <arahar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>My dear Duke,
>>>Why there were more stories of Mary in the Quran than in the bible?
>>Because Jesus is the Son of God.
>• bananas
SWOOSH - right over your head.
>In article <1ba1o7pg7fio7lvma...@4ax.com>, duke
><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 09:39:27 -0700 (PDT), arah <arahar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>My dear Duke,
>>>Why there were more stories of Mary in the Quran than in the bible?
>>Because Jesus is the Son of God.
>• bananas
duke
Apr 8, 2012, 9:26:33 AM4/8/12
to
On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:13:06 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>In article
><b5383058-4645-4b22...@k4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
>"jwshe...@satx.rr.com" <jwshe...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Lu 1:43 - And whence is this to me,
>> that the mother of my Lord
>> should come to me?
>>
>>Theotokos
>>From OrthodoxWiki
>>
>>The Holy Theotokos and Ever-Virgin MaryThe Virgin Mary is the
>>Theotokos, the mother of Jesus Christ, the Son and Word of God. She
>>conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit. She was cared for by her
>>betrothed husband, Joseph, who took the child and his mother into his
>>home as his own. One very strong tradition in the Orthodox Church
>>holds that the birth of Jesus was also miraculous and left Mary's
>>virginity intact as a sign;
>
>• Mormons teach that Mary's hymen was auto-resurrected as she passed
>back through the Veil in the Celestial Kingdom after gave birth to Jesus.
That's one of the reasons they're not Christian.
>In article
><b5383058-4645-4b22...@k4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
>"jwshe...@satx.rr.com" <jwshe...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Lu 1:43 - And whence is this to me,
>> that the mother of my Lord
>> should come to me?
>>
>>Theotokos
>>From OrthodoxWiki
>>
>>The Holy Theotokos and Ever-Virgin MaryThe Virgin Mary is the
>>Theotokos, the mother of Jesus Christ, the Son and Word of God. She
>>conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit. She was cared for by her
>>betrothed husband, Joseph, who took the child and his mother into his
>>home as his own. One very strong tradition in the Orthodox Church
>>holds that the birth of Jesus was also miraculous and left Mary's
>>virginity intact as a sign;
>
>• Mormons teach that Mary's hymen was auto-resurrected as she passed
>back through the Veil in the Celestial Kingdom after gave birth to Jesus.
Alan Ferris
Apr 8, 2012, 9:43:33 AM4/8/12
to
On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 08:26:33 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>• Mormons teach that Mary's hymen was auto-resurrected as she passed
>>back through the Veil in the Celestial Kingdom after gave birth to Jesus.
>
>That's one of the reasons they're not Christian.
And Mormons claim you are not christian.....but then so do Catholic
>>• Mormons teach that Mary's hymen was auto-resurrected as she passed
>>back through the Veil in the Celestial Kingdom after gave birth to Jesus.
>
>That's one of the reasons they're not Christian.
priests.
A priests view of Duke (Earl Weber)
"I spoke to some folks on the phone re: Earl Webber. My impression is
that he is either a very sick man, or a very evil man, or quite
possibly both. It's saddenening for me, and frustrating that he won't
leave you in peace." - Rev. Dye
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=B845F14D.33BEE%25htduck.geo%40yahoo.com
arah
Apr 8, 2012, 12:03:00 PM4/8/12
to
How to Get to Heaven (According to Jesus !)
Dear brothers and sisters,
Many people in the Gospel asked that very same question
directly to Jesus and let's see what the reply was;
"And behold, one came up to him, saying, "Teacher, what good deed
must I do, to have eternal life?"
"And he said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? One
there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the
commandments." Matthew 19:16-17
Here according to Jesus, to enter Heaven, we follow the
commandments.
A question to the Christians is: why would Jesus mislead this man
if the 'only way to heaven was through the blood of Jesus'?
Was Jesus misleading this man by teaching that Works will open the
Gates of Heaven?
"Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for
theirs is the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:10
Here Jesus says that Martyrs will go to Heaven, those who die and
suffer for a good cause will go to Heaven.
Is Jesus again being misleading since all Christians claim that the
one
and only way to Heaven is through the blood of Jesus as the church
teaches.
Here again a Lawyer asked the Important Question, How to enter
Heaven;
And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying,
"Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"
Jesus said "What is written in the law? How do
you read?"
And he answered, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your
heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with
all
your mind; and your neighbor as yourself."
And he said to him, "You have answered right; do this, and you will
live." Luke 10:25-28
The lawyer asked the teacher Jesus how to have eternal life and
Jesus replied "Read"... "The Law"..... "Obey the Law" believe in
God and love your neighbor.
Why in front of all these people would Jesus not tell them the
so-called only way that the Christians of today are saying 'no way to
heaven except
through the blood of Jesus', why would Jesus contradict today's
Christians?
Are Christians freed from the Law as the modern Christians teach?
"Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and
teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he
who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom
of heaven." Matthew 5:19
Why would Jesus Teach this if he came so that his blood can relax
the Law, why is it when he was on earth, he Taught Not to Relax the
Law? And Those who follow the Laws will be the Highest in
Heaven.
"Not every one who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the
kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven." Matthew 7:21
Salvation according to some Christians comes from taking Jesus as
your god and accepting the claimed blood sacrifice, while on the
Other Hand, Jesus seems to be saying the Opposite. Why is that?
Aren't Christians supposed to follow the Teachings of Jesus,
As far as Salvation is concerned, Muslims are
following the Teachings of Jesus, why haven't the
Christians started yet ?
"For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother,
and sister, and mother." (Mark 3:35) If Jesus is god, why would he
claim that
who ever follows the Commandments would be the brother or
mother of god ? Does god have a mother of brother?
"Jesus said to him, "If you would be perfect, go, sell what you
possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven;
and come, follow me." Matthew 19:21
Giving to directly to the Poor, one of the 5 Pillars of Islam, Jesus
is
Teaching Piety to Enter Heaven.
"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a
needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." Matthew
19:24
This Verse was very revealing to me, Jesus is repeatedly saying, a
rich man will not enter Heaven.
Some Christians of today claim that Jesus died for all sins, yet Jesus
repeatedly taught that greed will prevent you from entering Heaven.
What about those Christians who are rich? Aren't they saved
according to the 10% collecting church?
Now according to the church and Christians of modern day, 'who ever
believes in the blood of Jesus and accepts Jesus as god, then that is
the only way that person is saved, not through works.
Now let's see if Jesus again contradicts the church;
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes Him
who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but
has passed from death to life." John 5:24
It is Clear that according to Jesus the way to Heaven is to believe in
God (who Sent Jesus) and to hear (follow) the words of Jesus.
Does Jesus want us to believe in his blood Or to believe that he
is from God?
"Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to me
shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall never thirst. John
6:35
Therefore Jesus is Telling them that if they believe in him (While he
was Alive) that they will receive paradise.
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the
works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I
go to the Father." John 14:12
Truly, Honestly, I give you my Word Jesus Says: the Human who
does Works as I do (Jesus followed the Laws of Moses) then that
human will follow me to the Father (God).
"Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, "I am the light of the world; he
who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of
life." John 8:12
What does a light do? it guides, directs, it shows you the Right Path,
A light does not symbolize one to be sacrificed, but instead, one to
Guide.
All Muslims believe in Jesus
"There is not one of the People of the Scripture but will believe in
him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a
witness against them" Qur'an 4:159
Therefore I am Puzzled as to why Jesus would name off all these
specific Teachings and Keys to enter Heaven except the one that the
Christians teach (his blood).
According to Jesus, Muslims are blessed and will be in Heaven
because they believe God sent Jesus and they follow works, I pray
that Christians will at least follow the words of Jesus and may "his
teachings" lead them to Truth.
" But those among them who are well-grounded in knowledge, and
the believers, believe in what hath been revealed to thee and what
was revealed before thee: And (especially) those who establish
regular prayer and practise regular charity and believe in Allah
and in the Last Day: To them shall We soon give a great reward."
{Translation of the Holy Qur'an 4:162}
This is not to say that we can work our way into Heaven which is a
common misunderstanding of Christians towards Islam.
This is to clarify that we can not Faith our way directly into Heaven
which is a common misunderstanding of Christians towards Christianity.
It is said well by Jesus's younger brother and disciple (James) who
said;
"Faith without works is Dead" {Jas 2:26}
And then the Truth is confirmed in the Holy Qur'an:
"..But the prayer of those without Faith is nothing but (futile
wandering) in (mazes of) error! " {Holy Qur'an 40:50}
"For Him (alone) is prayer in Truth: any others that they call upon
besides Him hear them no more than if they were to stretch forth their
hands for water to reach their mouths but it reaches them not: for the
prayer of those without Faith is in vain." {Holy Qur'an 13:14}
Peace
On Apr 8, 4:43 pm, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> leave you in peace." - Rev. Dyehttp://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=B845F14D.33BEE%25htduck.ge...
Dear brothers and sisters,
Many people in the Gospel asked that very same question
directly to Jesus and let's see what the reply was;
"And behold, one came up to him, saying, "Teacher, what good deed
must I do, to have eternal life?"
"And he said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? One
there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the
commandments." Matthew 19:16-17
Here according to Jesus, to enter Heaven, we follow the
commandments.
A question to the Christians is: why would Jesus mislead this man
if the 'only way to heaven was through the blood of Jesus'?
Was Jesus misleading this man by teaching that Works will open the
Gates of Heaven?
"Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for
theirs is the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:10
Here Jesus says that Martyrs will go to Heaven, those who die and
suffer for a good cause will go to Heaven.
Is Jesus again being misleading since all Christians claim that the
one
and only way to Heaven is through the blood of Jesus as the church
teaches.
Here again a Lawyer asked the Important Question, How to enter
Heaven;
And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying,
"Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"
Jesus said "What is written in the law? How do
you read?"
And he answered, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your
heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with
all
your mind; and your neighbor as yourself."
And he said to him, "You have answered right; do this, and you will
live." Luke 10:25-28
The lawyer asked the teacher Jesus how to have eternal life and
Jesus replied "Read"... "The Law"..... "Obey the Law" believe in
God and love your neighbor.
Why in front of all these people would Jesus not tell them the
so-called only way that the Christians of today are saying 'no way to
heaven except
through the blood of Jesus', why would Jesus contradict today's
Christians?
Are Christians freed from the Law as the modern Christians teach?
"Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and
teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he
who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom
of heaven." Matthew 5:19
Why would Jesus Teach this if he came so that his blood can relax
the Law, why is it when he was on earth, he Taught Not to Relax the
Law? And Those who follow the Laws will be the Highest in
Heaven.
"Not every one who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the
kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven." Matthew 7:21
Salvation according to some Christians comes from taking Jesus as
your god and accepting the claimed blood sacrifice, while on the
Other Hand, Jesus seems to be saying the Opposite. Why is that?
Aren't Christians supposed to follow the Teachings of Jesus,
As far as Salvation is concerned, Muslims are
following the Teachings of Jesus, why haven't the
Christians started yet ?
"For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother,
and sister, and mother." (Mark 3:35) If Jesus is god, why would he
claim that
who ever follows the Commandments would be the brother or
mother of god ? Does god have a mother of brother?
"Jesus said to him, "If you would be perfect, go, sell what you
possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven;
and come, follow me." Matthew 19:21
Giving to directly to the Poor, one of the 5 Pillars of Islam, Jesus
is
Teaching Piety to Enter Heaven.
"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a
needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." Matthew
19:24
This Verse was very revealing to me, Jesus is repeatedly saying, a
rich man will not enter Heaven.
Some Christians of today claim that Jesus died for all sins, yet Jesus
repeatedly taught that greed will prevent you from entering Heaven.
What about those Christians who are rich? Aren't they saved
according to the 10% collecting church?
Now according to the church and Christians of modern day, 'who ever
believes in the blood of Jesus and accepts Jesus as god, then that is
the only way that person is saved, not through works.
Now let's see if Jesus again contradicts the church;
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes Him
who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but
has passed from death to life." John 5:24
It is Clear that according to Jesus the way to Heaven is to believe in
God (who Sent Jesus) and to hear (follow) the words of Jesus.
Does Jesus want us to believe in his blood Or to believe that he
is from God?
"Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to me
shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall never thirst. John
6:35
Therefore Jesus is Telling them that if they believe in him (While he
was Alive) that they will receive paradise.
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the
works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I
go to the Father." John 14:12
Truly, Honestly, I give you my Word Jesus Says: the Human who
does Works as I do (Jesus followed the Laws of Moses) then that
human will follow me to the Father (God).
"Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, "I am the light of the world; he
who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of
life." John 8:12
What does a light do? it guides, directs, it shows you the Right Path,
A light does not symbolize one to be sacrificed, but instead, one to
Guide.
All Muslims believe in Jesus
"There is not one of the People of the Scripture but will believe in
him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a
witness against them" Qur'an 4:159
Therefore I am Puzzled as to why Jesus would name off all these
specific Teachings and Keys to enter Heaven except the one that the
Christians teach (his blood).
According to Jesus, Muslims are blessed and will be in Heaven
because they believe God sent Jesus and they follow works, I pray
that Christians will at least follow the words of Jesus and may "his
teachings" lead them to Truth.
" But those among them who are well-grounded in knowledge, and
the believers, believe in what hath been revealed to thee and what
was revealed before thee: And (especially) those who establish
regular prayer and practise regular charity and believe in Allah
and in the Last Day: To them shall We soon give a great reward."
{Translation of the Holy Qur'an 4:162}
This is not to say that we can work our way into Heaven which is a
common misunderstanding of Christians towards Islam.
This is to clarify that we can not Faith our way directly into Heaven
which is a common misunderstanding of Christians towards Christianity.
It is said well by Jesus's younger brother and disciple (James) who
said;
"Faith without works is Dead" {Jas 2:26}
And then the Truth is confirmed in the Holy Qur'an:
"..But the prayer of those without Faith is nothing but (futile
wandering) in (mazes of) error! " {Holy Qur'an 40:50}
"For Him (alone) is prayer in Truth: any others that they call upon
besides Him hear them no more than if they were to stretch forth their
hands for water to reach their mouths but it reaches them not: for the
prayer of those without Faith is in vain." {Holy Qur'an 13:14}
Peace
On Apr 8, 4:43 pm, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
Apr 8, 2012, 9:28:15 PM4/8/12
to
Law and the Christian
Geoffrey J. Paxton
The Harmony of Law and Grace
Legalism is the enemy of grace because of a faulty view of the law,
and antinomianism is the enemy of law because of its false view of
grace. Legalism neglects the "grace basis" of law, and antinomianism
neglects the "law basis" of grace. We must now expound what these
expressions signify.
Law has a "grace basis." Law, as that authority under which man has
his existence, is a loving provision of God. As far as the Bible is
concerned, man is free when he is under God's authority. The law of
God is the order of man's existence, and man is free when he lives in
conformity to that order. One of the first steps to good health is to
be in tune with reality. The prodigal illustrates this point. He
thought he would be free once he was outside the authority of his
father, so he set out on his "trip of emancipation." However, he came
to himself when he started to reflect upon the condition of his
father's servants. He made his way back to request that he become a
servant, for he knew that freedom consisted in being committed to his
father. The law of God is not a harsh, alien law which destroys man's
personhood, as some have wrongly imagined. It is that law which allows
man to be his "true" self. Man was created free because man was
created subject to the authority (law) of God.
It is not surprising, therefore, to see grace as the basis of the Ten
Commandments: "I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land
of Egypt . . . " (R.S.V.). This statement of fact prefaces the demands
which Jehovah makes upon His people. They are to behave in a certain
way because Jehovah has rescued them. In terms of concrete realities,
the Ten Commands expound what being rescued means.
The situation is not different when we come to the New Testament. Let
Romans 12:1 act as a typical text: "Therefore, my brothers, I implore
you by God's mercy . . . " (N.E.B.). The "therefore" and the "by God's
mercy" root and ground the demand in the unmerited and undeserved
rescue activity of God in saving His people from the pigpen.
The legalist misses this order and therefore fails to understand the
true nature of law. He seeks to make the kindness and favor of God
dependent upon his keeping the law, instead of seeing that the
obligation to keep the law rests upon the favor of God. Law is based
on grace.
What is meant when we say that grace has a law basis? Let us seek to
answer the question by asking another: On what basis does God accept
the believer? Two quite wrong answers have been given to this
question: first, the legalist's answer, which puts the emphasis upon
the obedience of man; and second, the antinomian's answer, which says
that the angry judge (God) was placated (or won over) by the merciful
mediator, Jesus Christ.
The only answer which will do justice to the Bible is that the love of
God was demonstrated in His saving activity in Jesus Christ. Jesus
Christ met the demands of the law of God by that perfect and perpetual
obedience seen in His life and death. The incarnation of the Son of
God honored the law of God. Such honoring of God's law (obedience,
active and passive) is the ground on which God accepts us. This is
what we mean when we speak of the "legal basis" of grace.
The antinomian fails to see the true harmony between law and grace,
and conceives grace as the negation of the law. He not only dishonors
the law, but grace also.
The failure to perceive this harmony of law and grace has led to a sad
misrepresentation of the character of God. When the love of God is
spoken of apart from the law, then God is seen as One who does not
care for justice. This is not the God and Father of our Lord and
Savior Jesus Christ. When the justice of God is spoken of apart from
His loving activity in Christ, then God is seen as an angry judge
mercilessly exacting payment for the failures of men and women. The
God and Father of Jesus Christ our Rescuer, is neither unjust (for He
has honored the law) nor unloving (for He has honored the law for us).
He is the Just and Loving One.
In summary: We must guard grace from distortion by a wrong view of the
law. We must also guard law from a misconception of grace. The
legalist expresses a misconception of law and thereby degrades grace,
and the antinomian voices a false view of grace and thereby does
damage to law. The law must be viewed in the light of grace (the grace
basis of law), and grace must be seen in the light of law (the law
basis of grace).
http://www.presenttruthmag.com/archive/VII/7-5p2.htm
Geoffrey J. Paxton
The Harmony of Law and Grace
Legalism is the enemy of grace because of a faulty view of the law,
and antinomianism is the enemy of law because of its false view of
grace. Legalism neglects the "grace basis" of law, and antinomianism
neglects the "law basis" of grace. We must now expound what these
expressions signify.
Law has a "grace basis." Law, as that authority under which man has
his existence, is a loving provision of God. As far as the Bible is
concerned, man is free when he is under God's authority. The law of
God is the order of man's existence, and man is free when he lives in
conformity to that order. One of the first steps to good health is to
be in tune with reality. The prodigal illustrates this point. He
thought he would be free once he was outside the authority of his
father, so he set out on his "trip of emancipation." However, he came
to himself when he started to reflect upon the condition of his
father's servants. He made his way back to request that he become a
servant, for he knew that freedom consisted in being committed to his
father. The law of God is not a harsh, alien law which destroys man's
personhood, as some have wrongly imagined. It is that law which allows
man to be his "true" self. Man was created free because man was
created subject to the authority (law) of God.
It is not surprising, therefore, to see grace as the basis of the Ten
Commandments: "I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land
of Egypt . . . " (R.S.V.). This statement of fact prefaces the demands
which Jehovah makes upon His people. They are to behave in a certain
way because Jehovah has rescued them. In terms of concrete realities,
the Ten Commands expound what being rescued means.
The situation is not different when we come to the New Testament. Let
Romans 12:1 act as a typical text: "Therefore, my brothers, I implore
you by God's mercy . . . " (N.E.B.). The "therefore" and the "by God's
mercy" root and ground the demand in the unmerited and undeserved
rescue activity of God in saving His people from the pigpen.
The legalist misses this order and therefore fails to understand the
true nature of law. He seeks to make the kindness and favor of God
dependent upon his keeping the law, instead of seeing that the
obligation to keep the law rests upon the favor of God. Law is based
on grace.
What is meant when we say that grace has a law basis? Let us seek to
answer the question by asking another: On what basis does God accept
the believer? Two quite wrong answers have been given to this
question: first, the legalist's answer, which puts the emphasis upon
the obedience of man; and second, the antinomian's answer, which says
that the angry judge (God) was placated (or won over) by the merciful
mediator, Jesus Christ.
The only answer which will do justice to the Bible is that the love of
God was demonstrated in His saving activity in Jesus Christ. Jesus
Christ met the demands of the law of God by that perfect and perpetual
obedience seen in His life and death. The incarnation of the Son of
God honored the law of God. Such honoring of God's law (obedience,
active and passive) is the ground on which God accepts us. This is
what we mean when we speak of the "legal basis" of grace.
The antinomian fails to see the true harmony between law and grace,
and conceives grace as the negation of the law. He not only dishonors
the law, but grace also.
The failure to perceive this harmony of law and grace has led to a sad
misrepresentation of the character of God. When the love of God is
spoken of apart from the law, then God is seen as One who does not
care for justice. This is not the God and Father of our Lord and
Savior Jesus Christ. When the justice of God is spoken of apart from
His loving activity in Christ, then God is seen as an angry judge
mercilessly exacting payment for the failures of men and women. The
God and Father of Jesus Christ our Rescuer, is neither unjust (for He
has honored the law) nor unloving (for He has honored the law for us).
He is the Just and Loving One.
In summary: We must guard grace from distortion by a wrong view of the
law. We must also guard law from a misconception of grace. The
legalist expresses a misconception of law and thereby degrades grace,
and the antinomian voices a false view of grace and thereby does
damage to law. The law must be viewed in the light of grace (the grace
basis of law), and grace must be seen in the light of law (the law
basis of grace).
http://www.presenttruthmag.com/archive/VII/7-5p2.htm
• R. L. Measures.
Apr 8, 2012, 9:47:02 PM4/8/12
to
In article <9d43o75l5ft9gas00...@4ax.com>, duke
<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:13:06 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
>>In article
>><b5383058-4645-4b22...@k4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
>>"jwshe...@satx.rr.com" <jwshe...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Lu 1:43 - And whence is this to me,
>>> that the mother of my Lord
>>> should come to me?
>>>
>>>Theotokos
>>>From OrthodoxWiki
>>>
>>>The Holy Theotokos and Ever-Virgin MaryThe Virgin Mary is the
>>>Theotokos, the mother of Jesus Christ, the Son and Word of God. She
>>>conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit. She was cared for by her
>>>betrothed husband, Joseph, who took the child and his mother into his
>>>home as his own. One very strong tradition in the Orthodox Church
>>>holds that the birth of Jesus was also miraculous and left Mary's
>>>virginity intact as a sign;
>>
>>• Mormons teach that Mary's hymen was auto-resurrected as she passed
>>back through the Veil in the Celestial Kingdom after gave birth to Jesus.
>
>That's one of the reasons they're not Christian.
>
• Indeed. Romney is unlikely to win the R fundy vote in the election.
>On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:13:06 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
>>In article
>><b5383058-4645-4b22...@k4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
>>"jwshe...@satx.rr.com" <jwshe...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Lu 1:43 - And whence is this to me,
>>> that the mother of my Lord
>>> should come to me?
>>>
>>>Theotokos
>>>From OrthodoxWiki
>>>
>>>The Holy Theotokos and Ever-Virgin MaryThe Virgin Mary is the
>>>Theotokos, the mother of Jesus Christ, the Son and Word of God. She
>>>conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit. She was cared for by her
>>>betrothed husband, Joseph, who took the child and his mother into his
>>>home as his own. One very strong tradition in the Orthodox Church
>>>holds that the birth of Jesus was also miraculous and left Mary's
>>>virginity intact as a sign;
>>
>>• Mormons teach that Mary's hymen was auto-resurrected as she passed
>>back through the Veil in the Celestial Kingdom after gave birth to Jesus.
>
>That's one of the reasons they're not Christian.
>
duke
Apr 9, 2012, 3:11:23 PM4/9/12
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Dr. R. Knapp
Apr 9, 2012, 9:52:40 PM4/9/12
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On Apr 7, 9:23 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
you like to say others are doing what you do, I do not.
>
> > you do that as a follower the
> >Catholic Church and their Holy Mass and sacraments etc. Now you also
> >believe that the Qur'an is from God, that is a shame.
>
> You don't believe Jesus when he told us what to do. Are you trying to fault the
> muslims for that?
No, it is the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, it is you here
that seems to agree with the Qur'an, not I.
> >> Yet you haven't addressed why God would tell us not to eat pork or catfish or
> >> blood, to avoid mildew, skin diseases, punishments, taking care of lamps, etc..
> >I do not need to address such, the Bible does that, read and learn the
> >answers.
>
> Just more that you don't understand.
Yes, I suppose, I will never understand you calling yourself a
Catholic and support the Qur'an and follow the rules of the Catholic
Church like a Muslism does Islam.
> On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 17:08:52 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>
>
> >> The koran is THEIR book from God almighty. You yourself are a major denier of
> >> what Jesus called us to in our bible, such as the Holy Mass and 7 sacraments.
> >No it is not from God Almighty, why do you think it is? Are you going
> >to deny what Jesus did say, or that your Pope said?
>
> Nope.
>
> > I never deny Jesus or what He said and taught,
>
> Of course you do.
Thank you Duke, as a Catholic it seems you like to lie. Then it seems
>
>
> >> The koran is THEIR book from God almighty. You yourself are a major denier of
> >> what Jesus called us to in our bible, such as the Holy Mass and 7 sacraments.
> >No it is not from God Almighty, why do you think it is? Are you going
> >to deny what Jesus did say, or that your Pope said?
>
> Nope.
>
> > I never deny Jesus or what He said and taught,
>
> Of course you do.
you like to say others are doing what you do, I do not.
>
> > you do that as a follower the
> >Catholic Church and their Holy Mass and sacraments etc. Now you also
> >believe that the Qur'an is from God, that is a shame.
>
> You don't believe Jesus when he told us what to do. Are you trying to fault the
> muslims for that?
that seems to agree with the Qur'an, not I.
> >> Yet you haven't addressed why God would tell us not to eat pork or catfish or
> >> blood, to avoid mildew, skin diseases, punishments, taking care of lamps, etc..
> >I do not need to address such, the Bible does that, read and learn the
> >answers.
>
> Just more that you don't understand.
Catholic and support the Qur'an and follow the rules of the Catholic
Church like a Muslism does Islam.
• R. L. Measures.
Apr 10, 2012, 6:33:47 AM4/10/12
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In article <61d6o7tuobj6i42j3...@4ax.com>, duke
• Massa Duke he sho don't like blacks in de White House unless they is
cleanin' up after white folks. .
cleanin' up after white folks. .
duke
Apr 10, 2012, 8:42:12 AM4/10/12
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duke
Apr 10, 2012, 8:44:51 AM4/10/12
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On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 18:52:40 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com> wrote:
>On Apr 7, 9:23 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 17:08:52 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >> The koran is THEIR book from God almighty. You yourself are a major denier of
>> >> what Jesus called us to in our bible, such as the Holy Mass and 7 sacraments.
>> >No it is not from God Almighty, why do you think it is? Are you going
>> >to deny what Jesus did say, or that your Pope said?
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> > I never deny Jesus or what He said and taught,
>> Of course you do.
>Thank you Duke, as a Catholic it seems you like to lie. Then it seems
>you like to say others are doing what you do, I do not.
I'm only commenting on admissions you already made. Don't blame me.
>On Apr 7, 9:23 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 17:08:52 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >> The koran is THEIR book from God almighty. You yourself are a major denier of
>> >> what Jesus called us to in our bible, such as the Holy Mass and 7 sacraments.
>> >No it is not from God Almighty, why do you think it is? Are you going
>> >to deny what Jesus did say, or that your Pope said?
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> > I never deny Jesus or what He said and taught,
>> Of course you do.
>Thank you Duke, as a Catholic it seems you like to lie. Then it seems
>you like to say others are doing what you do, I do not.
>> > you do that as a follower the
>> >Catholic Church and their Holy Mass and sacraments etc. Now you also
>> >believe that the Qur'an is from God, that is a shame.
>>
>> You don't believe Jesus when he told us what to do. Are you trying to fault the
>> muslims for that?
>No, it is the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, it is you here
>that seems to agree with the Qur'an, not I.
I do know that the muslims also call Abraham the father of their faith.
>> >> Yet you haven't addressed why God would tell us not to eat pork or catfish or
>> >> blood, to avoid mildew, skin diseases, punishments, taking care of lamps, etc..
>> >I do not need to address such, the Bible does that, read and learn the
>> >answers.
>>
>> Just more that you don't understand.
>Yes, I suppose, I will never understand you calling yourself a
>Catholic and support the Qur'an and follow the rules of the Catholic
>Church like a Muslism does Islam.
alcohol.
arah
Apr 10, 2012, 10:43:42 AM4/10/12
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>
> I think you drank too much alcohol last night, rk, and don't say you don't drink
> alcohol.
>
> duke, American - American
PORK FORBIDDEN
> I think you drank too much alcohol last night, rk, and don't say you don't drink
> alcohol.
>
> duke, American - American
Question:
Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
known. The following points explain various aspects of this
prohibition:
1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
"Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
Allah." [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
as to why pork is forbidden.
The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures.
The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus
"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet
he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you".
"Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not
touch, they are unclean to you."
[Leviticus 11:7-8]
Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy
"And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud,
it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch
their dead carcass."
[Deuteronomy 14:8]
A similar prohibition is repeated in the Bible in the book of Isaiah
chapter 65 verse 2-5.
3. Consumption of pork causes several diseases
The other non-Muslims and atheists will agree only if convinced
through reason, logic and science. Eating of pork can cause no less
than seventy different types of diseases. A person can have various
helminthes like roundworm, pinworm, hookworm, etc. One of the most
dangerous is Taenia Solium, which is in lay man’s terminology called
tapeworm. It harbours in the intestine and is very long. Its ova i.e.
eggs, enter the blood stream and can reach almost all the organs of
the body. If it enters the brain it can cause memory loss. If it
enters the heart it can cause heart attack, if it enters the eye it
can cause blindness, if it enters the liver it can cause liver damage.
It can damage almost all the organs of the body.
Another dangerous helminthes is Trichura Tichurasis. A common
misconception about pork is that if it is cooked well, these ova die.
In a research project undertaken in America, it was found that out of
twenty-four people suffering from Trichura Tichurasis, twenty two had
cooked the pork very well. This indicates that the ova present in the
pork do not die under normal cooking temperature.
4. Pork has fat building material
Pork has very little muscle building material and contains excess of
fat. This fat gets deposited in the vessels and can cause hypertension
and heart attack. It is not surprising that over 50% of Americans
suffer from hypertension.
5. Pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth
The pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth. It lives and thrives
on muck, faeces and dirt. It is the best scavenger that I know that
God has produced. In the villages they don’t have modern toilets and
the villagers excrete in the open air. Very often excreta is cleared
by pigs.
Some may argue that in advanced countries like Australia, pigs are
bred in very clean and hygienic conditions. Even in these hygienic
conditions the pigs are kept together in sties. No matter how hard you
try to keep them clean they are filthy by nature. They eat and enjoy
their own as well as their neighbour’s excreta.
6. Pig is the most shameless animal
The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is
the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In
America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties,
they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say "you sleep with my wife and
I will sleep with your wife." If you eat pigs then you behave like
pigs. We Indians look upon America to be very advanced and
sophisticated. Whatever they do, we follow after a few years.
According to an article in Island magazine, this practice of swapping
wives has become common in the affluent circles of Bombay.
PROHIBITION OF ALCOHOL
Question:
Why is the consumption of alcohol prohibited in Islam?
Answer:
Alcohol has been the scourge of human society since time immemorial.
It continues to cost countless human lives, and causes terrible misery
to millions throughout the world. Alcohol is the root cause of several
problems facing society. The statistics of soaring crime rates,
increasing instances of mental illnesses and millions of broken homes
throughout the world bear mute testimony to the destructive power of
alcohol.
1. Prohibition of alcohol in the Qur’an
The Glorious Qur’an prohibits the consumption of alcohol in the
following verse:
"O ye who believe!
Intoxicants and Gambling,
(Dedication of) stones,
And (divination by) arrows,
Are an Abomination –
Of Satan’s handiwork;
Eschew such (abomination),
That ye may prosper."
[Al-Qur’an 5:90]
2. Prohibition of alcohol in the Bible
The Bible prohibits the consumption of alcohol in the following
verses:
a. "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging; and whosoever is
deceived thereby is not wise."
[Proverbs 20:1]
b. "And be not drunk with wine."
[Ephesians 5:18]
3. Alcohol inhibits the inhibitory centre
The human beings possess an inhibitory centre in their brains. This
inhibitory centre prevents the person from doing things that he
considers wrong. For instance a person does not normally use abusive
language while addressing his parents or elders. If he has to answer
the call of nature, his inhibitory centre will prevent him from doing
so in public. Therefore he uses the toilet.
When a person consumes alcohol, the inhibitory centre itself is
inhibited. That is precisely the reason that an inebriated person is
often found to be indulging in behaviour that is completely
uncharacteristic of him. For instance the intoxicated person is found
to use abusive and foul language and does not realize his mistake even
if he is addressing his parents. Many even urinate in their clothes.
Neither do they talk nor walk properly. They even misbehave.
4. Cases of adultery, rape, incest and AIDS are found more among
alcoholics
According to National Crime Victimization Survey Bureau of Justice
(U.S. Department of Justice) in the year 1996 alone everyday on an
average 2,713 rapes took place. The statistics tell us that the
majority of the rapists, were intoxicated while committing the crime.
The same is true in cases of molestation.
According to statistics, 8% of Americans commit incest i.e. one in
every twelve to thirteen persons in America is involved in incest.
Almost all the cases of incest are due to intoxication of one or both
the persons involved.
One of the major factors associated with the spread of AIDS, the most
dreaded disease, is alcoholism.
5. Every alcoholic was initially a social drinker
Many may argue in favour of liquor by calling themselves ‘social
drinkers’. They claim that they only have one or two pegs and they
have self-control and so never get intoxicated. Investigations reveal
that every alcoholic started as a social drinker. Not a single
alcoholic or drunkard initially starts drinking with the intention of
becoming an alcoholic or a drunkard. No social drinker can say that I
have been having alcohol for several years and that I have so much
self-control that I have never been intoxicated even a single time.
6. If a person is intoxicated just once and commits something
shameful, it will remain with him for a lifetime.
Suppose a ‘social drinker’ loses his self-control just once. In a
state of intoxication he commits rape or incest. Even if the act is
later regretted, a normal human being is likely to carry the guilt
throughout his life. Both the perpetrator and the victim are
irreparably and irreversibly damaged.
7. Alcohol is prohibited in the Hadith
The Prophet of Islam Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
a. In Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Volume 3, Book of Intoxicants, Chapter
30 Hadith No. 3371.
"Alcohol is the mother of all evils and it is the most shameful of
evils."
b. In Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Volume 3, Book of Intoxicants, Chapter
30 Hadith No. 3392
"Anything which intoxicates in a large quantity, is prohibited even in
a small quantity."
Thus there is no excuse for a nip or a tot.
c. Not only those who drink alcohol are cursed but also those
who deal with them directly or indirectly are cursed by Allah.
According to Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Volume 3, Book of Intoxicants, Chapter
30 Hadith No. 3380.
It was reported by Anas (may Allah be pleased with him), that Prophet
Muhammad (pbuh) said:
"God’s curse falls on ten groups of people who deal with alcohol. The
one who distills it, the one for whom it has been distilled, the one
who drinks it, the one who transports it, the one to who it has been
brought, the one whom serves it, the one who sells it, the one who
utilizes money from it, the one who buys it and the one who buys it
for someone else."
8. Diseases associated with alcoholism
There are several scientific reasons for the prohibition of
consumption of intoxicants i.e. alcohol. The maximum number of deaths
in the world related to any one particular cause is due to the
consumption of alcohol. Millions of people die every year only because
of intake of alcohol. I need not go into the details of all the ill-
effects of alcohol since most of them are commonly known. Below is a
simple list of few of the alcohol related illnesses:
1. Cirrhosis of Liver is the most well known alcohol associated
disease.
2. Others are Cancer of Oesophagus, Cancer of Head and Neck,
Cancer of Liver (Hepatoma), Cancer of Bowel, etc.
3. Oesophagitis, Gastritis, Pancreatitis and Hepatitis are
linked with alcohol consumption.
4. Cardiomyopathy, Hypertension, Coronary Artherosclerosis,
Angina and Heart Attacks are linked with heavy alcohol intakes.
5. Strokes, Apoplexy, Fits and different types of Paralysis are
linked with alcohol intake.
6. Peripheral Neuropathy, Cortical Atrophy, Cerebellar Atrophy
are well-known syndromes caused by alcohol consumption.
7. Wernicke – Korsakoff syndrome with amnesia of recent events,
confabulations and retainment of memory to old events with different
types of paralysis are mainly due to thiamine deficiency due to
excessive alcohol intake.
8. Beriberi and other deficiencies are not uncommon among
alcoholics. Even Pellagra occurs in alcoholics.
9. Delerium Tremens is a serious complication that may occur
during recurrent infection of alcoholics or post operatively. It also
occurs during abstention as a sign of withdrawal effect. It is quite
serious and may cause death even if treated in well equipped centres.
10. Numerous Endocrine Disorders have been associated with
alcoholism ranging from Myxodema to Hyperthyroidism and Florid Cushing
Syndrome.
11. Hematological ill effects are long and variable. Folic acid
deficiency, however, is the most common manifestation of alcoholic
abuse resulting in Macrocytic Anemia. Zeive’s syndrome is a triad of
Hemolytic Anemia, Jaundice and Hyperlipaedemia that follows alcoholic
binges.
12. Thrombocytopenia and other platelet abnormalities are not rare
in alcoholics.
13. The commonly used tablet metronidazole (flagyl) interacts badly
with alcohol.
14. Recurrent infection is very common among chronic alcoholics. The
resistance to disease and the immunological defense system are
compromised by alcohol intake.
15. Chest infections are notorious in alcoholics. Pneumonia, Lung
Abcess, Emphysema and Pulmonary Tuberculosis are all common in
alcoholics.
16. During acute alcoholic intoxication, the drunk person usually
vomits, the cough reflexes which are protective are paralysed. The
vomitus thus easily pass to the lung causing Pneumonia or Lung
Abscess. Occasionally it may even cause suffocation and death.
17. The ill effects of alcohol consumption on women deserves special
mention. Females are more vulnerable to alcohol-related Cirrhosis than
men. During pregnancy alcohol consumption has a severe detrimental
effect on the foetus. Foetal Alcohol Syndrome is being recognised more
and more in the medical profession.
18. Skin diseases are also related to alcohol indulgence.
19. Eczema, Alopecia, Nail Dystrophy, Paronychia (infection around
the nails) and Angular Stomatitis (inflammation of the angle of the
mouth) are common diseases among alcoholics.
9. Alcoholism is a ‘disease’
Medical doctors have now turned liberal towards alcoholics and call
alcoholism a disease rather than an addiction.
The Islamic Research Foundation has published a pamphlet that says:
If alcohol is a disease, it is the only disease that:
- Is sold in bottles
- Is advertised in newspapers, magazines, on radio and television
- Has licensed outlets to spread it
- Produces revenue for the government
- Brings violent deaths on the highways
- Destroys family life and increases crime
- Has no germs or viral cause
ALCOHOLISM IS NOT A DISEASE – IT IS SATAN’S HANDIWORK
Allah (swt) in His Infinite Wisdom has warned us against this snare of
Satan. Islam is called the "Deen-ul-Fitrah" or the natural religion of
Man. All its injunctions are aimed at preserving the natural state of
man. Alcohol is a deviation from this natural state, for the
individual as well as for society. It degrades man to a level below
that of the beasts he claims to be superior to. Hence the consumption
of alcohol is prohibited in Islam.
• R. L. Measures.
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Ro 14:17 -For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink;
but righteousness, and peace,
and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Col 2:16 - Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink,
or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon,
or of the sabbath days:
but righteousness, and peace,
and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Col 2:16 - Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink,
or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon,
or of the sabbath days:
duke
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duke
Apr 10, 2012, 12:31:02 PM4/10/12
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 07:43:42 -0700 (PDT), arah <arahar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think you drank too much alcohol last night, rk, and don't say you don't drink
>> alcohol.
>>
>> duke, American - American
>
>PORK FORBIDDEN
>
>Question:
>
>Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
>
>Answer:
>
>The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
>known. The following points explain various aspects of this
>prohibition:
>1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
>
>The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
>different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
>
>"Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
>swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
>Allah." [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
>
>The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
>as to why pork is forbidden.
But why? Why is swine unacceptable?
>>
>> I think you drank too much alcohol last night, rk, and don't say you don't drink
>> alcohol.
>>
>> duke, American - American
>
>PORK FORBIDDEN
>
>Question:
>
>Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
>
>Answer:
>
>The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
>known. The following points explain various aspects of this
>prohibition:
>1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
>
>The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
>different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
>
>"Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
>swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
>Allah." [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
>
>The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
>as to why pork is forbidden.
>2. Pork prohibited in the Bible
>The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures.
>The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus
>"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet
>he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you".
• R. L. Measures.
Apr 10, 2012, 3:17:41 PM4/10/12
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In article
<9d49d73f-4d05-466f...@w5g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, arah
<arahar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think you drank too much alcohol last night, rk, and don't say you don'=
>
>The Qur=92an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
>
>The above verses of the Holy Qur=92an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
of Vitamin B1.
>and contains excess of
>fat. This fat gets deposited in the vessels and can cause hypertension
>and heart attack. It is not surprising that over 50% of Americans
>suffer from hypertension.
>
>
>5. Pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth
>
€€ clueless.
>The pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth. It lives and thrives
>on muck, faeces and dirt. It is the best scavenger that I know that
>God has produced. In the villages they don=92t have modern toilets and
>
>The Glorious Qur=92an prohibits the consumption of alcohol in the
>Of Satan=92s handiwork;
>Many may argue in favour of liquor by calling themselves =91social
>drinkers=92. They claim that they only have one or two pegs and they
>7. Wernicke =96 Korsakoff syndrome with amnesia of recent events,
>9. Alcoholism is a =91disease=92
<9d49d73f-4d05-466f...@w5g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, arah
<arahar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think you drank too much alcohol last night, rk, and don't say you don'=
>t drink
>> alcohol.
>>
>> duke, American - American
>
>PORK FORBIDDEN
>
>Question:
>
>Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
>
>Answer:
>
>The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
>known. The following points explain various aspects of this
>prohibition:
>
>
>1. Pork prohibited in Qur=92an
>> alcohol.
>>
>> duke, American - American
>
>PORK FORBIDDEN
>
>Question:
>
>Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
>
>Answer:
>
>The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
>known. The following points explain various aspects of this
>prohibition:
>
>
>
>The Qur=92an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
>different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
>
>"Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
>swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
>Allah." [Al-Qur=92an 5:3]
>
>"Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
>swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
>
>The above verses of the Holy Qur=92an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
>as to why pork is forbidden.
>
>
>2. Pork prohibited in the Bible
>
>The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures.
>The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus
>
>"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet
>he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you".
>
>"Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not
>touch, they are unclean to you."
>[Leviticus 11:7-8]
>
>Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy
>
>"And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud,
>it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch
>their dead carcass."
> [Deuteronomy 14:8]
>
>A similar prohibition is repeated in the Bible in the book of Isaiah
>chapter 65 verse 2-5.
>
>
>3. Consumption of pork causes several diseases
>
>The other non-Muslims and atheists will agree only if convinced
>through reason, logic and science. Eating of pork can cause no less
>than seventy different types of diseases. A person can have various
>helminthes like roundworm, pinworm, hookworm, etc. One of the most
>dangerous is Taenia Solium, which is in lay man=92s terminology called
>
>
>2. Pork prohibited in the Bible
>
>The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures.
>The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus
>
>"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet
>he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you".
>
>"Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not
>touch, they are unclean to you."
>[Leviticus 11:7-8]
>
>Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy
>
>"And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud,
>it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch
>their dead carcass."
> [Deuteronomy 14:8]
>
>A similar prohibition is repeated in the Bible in the book of Isaiah
>chapter 65 verse 2-5.
>
>
>3. Consumption of pork causes several diseases
>
>The other non-Muslims and atheists will agree only if convinced
>through reason, logic and science. Eating of pork can cause no less
>than seventy different types of diseases. A person can have various
>helminthes like roundworm, pinworm, hookworm, etc. One of the most
>tapeworm. It harbours in the intestine and is very long. Its ova i.e.
>eggs, enter the blood stream and can reach almost all the organs of
>the body. If it enters the brain it can cause memory loss. If it
>enters the heart it can cause heart attack, if it enters the eye it
>can cause blindness, if it enters the liver it can cause liver damage.
>It can damage almost all the organs of the body.
>
>Another dangerous helminthes is Trichura Tichurasis. A common
>misconception about pork is that if it is cooked well, these ova die.
>In a research project undertaken in America, it was found that out of
>twenty-four people suffering from Trichura Tichurasis, twenty two had
>cooked the pork very well. This indicates that the ova present in the
>pork do not die under normal cooking temperature.
€€ cooking poultry or pork without a meat thermometer is risky.
>eggs, enter the blood stream and can reach almost all the organs of
>the body. If it enters the brain it can cause memory loss. If it
>enters the heart it can cause heart attack, if it enters the eye it
>can cause blindness, if it enters the liver it can cause liver damage.
>It can damage almost all the organs of the body.
>
>Another dangerous helminthes is Trichura Tichurasis. A common
>misconception about pork is that if it is cooked well, these ova die.
>In a research project undertaken in America, it was found that out of
>twenty-four people suffering from Trichura Tichurasis, twenty two had
>cooked the pork very well. This indicates that the ova present in the
>pork do not die under normal cooking temperature.
>
>
>4. Pork has fat building material
€€ So does beef, goat, lamb and fish.
>
>4. Pork has fat building material
>
>Pork has very little muscle building material
€€ Pork is similar in protein to beef or poultry plus it has an abundance
>Pork has very little muscle building material
of Vitamin B1.
>and contains excess of
>fat. This fat gets deposited in the vessels and can cause hypertension
>and heart attack. It is not surprising that over 50% of Americans
>suffer from hypertension.
>
>
>5. Pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth
>
>The pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth. It lives and thrives
>on muck, faeces and dirt. It is the best scavenger that I know that
>the villagers excrete in the open air. Very often excreta is cleared
>by pigs.
>
>Some may argue that in advanced countries like Australia, pigs are
>bred in very clean and hygienic conditions. Even in these hygienic
>conditions the pigs are kept together in sties. No matter how hard you
>try to keep them clean they are filthy by nature. They eat and enjoy
>their own as well as their neighbour=92s excreta.
>by pigs.
>
>Some may argue that in advanced countries like Australia, pigs are
>bred in very clean and hygienic conditions. Even in these hygienic
>conditions the pigs are kept together in sties. No matter how hard you
>try to keep them clean they are filthy by nature. They eat and enjoy
>
>
>6. Pig is the most shameless animal
€€ humans can be worse.
>
>6. Pig is the most shameless animal
>
>The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is
>the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In
>America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties,
>they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say "you sleep with my wife and
>I will sleep with your wife." If you eat pigs then you behave like
>pigs. We Indians look upon America to be very advanced and
>sophisticated. Whatever they do, we follow after a few years.
>According to an article in Island magazine, this practice of swapping
>wives has become common in the affluent circles of Bombay.
>
>
>
>PROHIBITION OF ALCOHOL
>
>Question:
>
>Why is the consumption of alcohol prohibited in Islam?
>
>Answer:
>
>Alcohol has been the scourge of human society since time immemorial.
>It continues to cost countless human lives, and causes terrible misery
>to millions throughout the world. Alcohol is the root cause of several
>problems facing society. The statistics of soaring crime rates,
>increasing instances of mental illnesses and millions of broken homes
>throughout the world bear mute testimony to the destructive power of
>alcohol.
>
>
>1. Prohibition of alcohol in the Qur=92an
>The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is
>the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In
>America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties,
>they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say "you sleep with my wife and
>I will sleep with your wife." If you eat pigs then you behave like
>pigs. We Indians look upon America to be very advanced and
>sophisticated. Whatever they do, we follow after a few years.
>According to an article in Island magazine, this practice of swapping
>wives has become common in the affluent circles of Bombay.
>
>
>
>PROHIBITION OF ALCOHOL
>
>Question:
>
>Why is the consumption of alcohol prohibited in Islam?
>
>Answer:
>
>Alcohol has been the scourge of human society since time immemorial.
>It continues to cost countless human lives, and causes terrible misery
>to millions throughout the world. Alcohol is the root cause of several
>problems facing society. The statistics of soaring crime rates,
>increasing instances of mental illnesses and millions of broken homes
>throughout the world bear mute testimony to the destructive power of
>alcohol.
>
>
>
>The Glorious Qur=92an prohibits the consumption of alcohol in the
>following verse:
>
>"O ye who believe!
>Intoxicants and Gambling,
>(Dedication of) stones,
>And (divination by) arrows,
>Are an Abomination =96
>
>"O ye who believe!
>Intoxicants and Gambling,
>(Dedication of) stones,
>And (divination by) arrows,
>Of Satan=92s handiwork;
>Eschew such (abomination),
>That ye may prosper."
> [Al-Qur=92an 5:90]
>That ye may prosper."
>drinkers=92. They claim that they only have one or two pegs and they
>have self-control and so never get intoxicated. Investigations reveal
>that every alcoholic started as a social drinker. Not a single
>alcoholic or drunkard initially starts drinking with the intention of
>becoming an alcoholic or a drunkard. No social drinker can say that I
>have been having alcohol for several years and that I have so much
>self-control that I have never been intoxicated even a single time.
>
>
>6. If a person is intoxicated just once and commits something
>shameful, it will remain with him for a lifetime.
>Suppose a =91social drinker=92 loses his self-control just once. In a
>that every alcoholic started as a social drinker. Not a single
>alcoholic or drunkard initially starts drinking with the intention of
>becoming an alcoholic or a drunkard. No social drinker can say that I
>have been having alcohol for several years and that I have so much
>self-control that I have never been intoxicated even a single time.
>
>
>6. If a person is intoxicated just once and commits something
>shameful, it will remain with him for a lifetime.
>state of intoxication he commits rape or incest. Even if the act is
>later regretted, a normal human being is likely to carry the guilt
>throughout his life. Both the perpetrator and the victim are
>irreparably and irreversibly damaged.
>
>
>7. Alcohol is prohibited in the Hadith
>The Prophet of Islam Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
>
>a. In Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Volume 3, Book of Intoxicants, Chapter
>30 Hadith No. 3371.
>
>"Alcohol is the mother of all evils and it is the most shameful of
>evils."
>b. In Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Volume 3, Book of Intoxicants, Chapter
>30 Hadith No. 3392
>
>"Anything which intoxicates in a large quantity, is prohibited even in
>a small quantity."
>Thus there is no excuse for a nip or a tot.
>c. Not only those who drink alcohol are cursed but also those
>who deal with them directly or indirectly are cursed by Allah.
>According to Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Volume 3, Book of Intoxicants, Chapter
>30 Hadith No. 3380.
>It was reported by Anas (may Allah be pleased with him), that Prophet
>Muhammad (pbuh) said:
>"God=92s curse falls on ten groups of people who deal with alcohol. The
>later regretted, a normal human being is likely to carry the guilt
>throughout his life. Both the perpetrator and the victim are
>irreparably and irreversibly damaged.
>
>
>7. Alcohol is prohibited in the Hadith
>The Prophet of Islam Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
>
>a. In Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Volume 3, Book of Intoxicants, Chapter
>30 Hadith No. 3371.
>
>"Alcohol is the mother of all evils and it is the most shameful of
>evils."
>b. In Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Volume 3, Book of Intoxicants, Chapter
>30 Hadith No. 3392
>
>"Anything which intoxicates in a large quantity, is prohibited even in
>a small quantity."
>Thus there is no excuse for a nip or a tot.
>c. Not only those who drink alcohol are cursed but also those
>who deal with them directly or indirectly are cursed by Allah.
>According to Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Volume 3, Book of Intoxicants, Chapter
>30 Hadith No. 3380.
>It was reported by Anas (may Allah be pleased with him), that Prophet
>Muhammad (pbuh) said:
>confabulations and retainment of memory to old events with different
>types of paralysis are mainly due to thiamine deficiency due to
>excessive alcohol intake.
>8. Beriberi and other deficiencies are not uncommon among
>alcoholics. Even Pellagra occurs in alcoholics.
>9. Delerium Tremens is a serious complication that may occur
>during recurrent infection of alcoholics or post operatively. It also
>occurs during abstention as a sign of withdrawal effect. It is quite
>serious and may cause death even if treated in well equipped centres.
>10. Numerous Endocrine Disorders have been associated with
>alcoholism ranging from Myxodema to Hyperthyroidism and Florid Cushing
>Syndrome.
>11. Hematological ill effects are long and variable. Folic acid
>deficiency, however, is the most common manifestation of alcoholic
>abuse resulting in Macrocytic Anemia. Zeive=92s syndrome is a triad of
>types of paralysis are mainly due to thiamine deficiency due to
>excessive alcohol intake.
>8. Beriberi and other deficiencies are not uncommon among
>alcoholics. Even Pellagra occurs in alcoholics.
>9. Delerium Tremens is a serious complication that may occur
>during recurrent infection of alcoholics or post operatively. It also
>occurs during abstention as a sign of withdrawal effect. It is quite
>serious and may cause death even if treated in well equipped centres.
>10. Numerous Endocrine Disorders have been associated with
>alcoholism ranging from Myxodema to Hyperthyroidism and Florid Cushing
>Syndrome.
>11. Hematological ill effects are long and variable. Folic acid
>deficiency, however, is the most common manifestation of alcoholic
>Medical doctors have now turned liberal towards alcoholics and call
>alcoholism a disease rather than an addiction.
>
>The Islamic Research Foundation has published a pamphlet that says:
>
>If alcohol is a disease, it is the only disease that:
>
>- Is sold in bottles
>
>- Is advertised in newspapers, magazines, on radio and television
>
>- Has licensed outlets to spread it
>
>- Produces revenue for the government
>
>- Brings violent deaths on the highways
>
>- Destroys family life and increases crime
>
>- Has no germs or viral cause
>
>ALCOHOLISM IS NOT A DISEASE =96 IT IS SATAN=92S HANDIWORK
>alcoholism a disease rather than an addiction.
>
>The Islamic Research Foundation has published a pamphlet that says:
>
>If alcohol is a disease, it is the only disease that:
>
>- Is sold in bottles
>
>- Is advertised in newspapers, magazines, on radio and television
>
>- Has licensed outlets to spread it
>
>- Produces revenue for the government
>
>- Brings violent deaths on the highways
>
>- Destroys family life and increases crime
>
>- Has no germs or viral cause
>
>
>Allah (swt) in His Infinite Wisdom has warned us against this snare of
>Satan. Islam is called the "Deen-ul-Fitrah" or the natural religion of
>Man. All its injunctions are aimed at preserving the natural state of
>man. Alcohol is a deviation from this natural state, for the
>individual as well as for society. It degrades man to a level below
>that of the beasts he claims to be superior to. Hence the consumption
>of alcohol is prohibited in Islam.
>Allah (swt) in His Infinite Wisdom has warned us against this snare of
>Satan. Islam is called the "Deen-ul-Fitrah" or the natural religion of
>Man. All its injunctions are aimed at preserving the natural state of
>man. Alcohol is a deviation from this natural state, for the
>individual as well as for society. It degrades man to a level below
>that of the beasts he claims to be superior to. Hence the consumption
>of alcohol is prohibited in Islam.
Alan Ferris
Apr 10, 2012, 5:06:46 PM4/10/12
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 07:54:14 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.)
Racists normally are pathetic cowards.
"Now, did I want to go? Hell no. "
-Duke (Earl Weber),
explaining why it was patriotic for
him to skip out on Vietnam, 3/30/2004
"Now, did I want to go? Hell no. "
-Duke (Earl Weber),
explaining why it was patriotic for
him to skip out on Vietnam, 3/30/2004
Alan Ferris
Apr 10, 2012, 5:07:25 PM4/10/12
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:28:03 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>Do you think that Mary's hymen was auto-resurrected?
Who checked it? If it was intact then she was an unmarried slut under
>Do you think that Mary's hymen was auto-resurrected?
Jewish law.
--
Ferrit
()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")
• R. L. Measures.
Apr 10, 2012, 5:45:36 PM4/10/12
to
In article <urn8o7pf0iom081v4...@4ax.com>, duke
• No. Any guy whose nickname is The Almighty probably has one that would
lay waste to a hymen.
lay waste to a hymen.
• R. L. Measures.
Apr 10, 2012, 5:48:07 PM4/10/12
to
In article <1tn8o7hh57877ikbm...@4ax.com>, duke
<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 07:43:42 -0700 (PDT), arah <arahar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I think you drank too much alcohol last night, rk, and don't say you
don't drink
>>> alcohol.
>>>
>>> duke, American - American
>>
>>PORK FORBIDDEN
>>
>>Question:
>>
>>Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
>>
>>Answer:
>>
>>The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
>>known. The following points explain various aspects of this
>>prohibition:
>
>>1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
>>
>>The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
>>different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
>>
>>"Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
>>swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
>>Allah." [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
>>
>>The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
>>as to why pork is forbidden.
>
>But why? Why is swine unacceptable?
>
• Ignorance. Lack of a meat thermometer.
>On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 07:43:42 -0700 (PDT), arah <arahar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I think you drank too much alcohol last night, rk, and don't say you
don't drink
>>> alcohol.
>>>
>>> duke, American - American
>>
>>PORK FORBIDDEN
>>
>>Question:
>>
>>Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
>>
>>Answer:
>>
>>The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
>>known. The following points explain various aspects of this
>>prohibition:
>
>>1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
>>
>>The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
>>different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
>>
>>"Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
>>swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
>>Allah." [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
>>
>>The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
>>as to why pork is forbidden.
>
>But why? Why is swine unacceptable?
>
Dr. R. Knapp
Apr 10, 2012, 9:45:27 PM4/10/12
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On Apr 7, 9:23 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 17:08:52 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>
>
> >> The koran is THEIR book from God almighty. You yourself are a major denier of
> >> what Jesus called us to in our bible, such as the Holy Mass and 7 sacraments.
> >No it is not from God Almighty, why do you think it is? Are you going
> >to deny what Jesus did say, or that your Pope said?
>
> Nope.
>
> > I never deny Jesus or what He said and taught,
>
> Of course you do.
Nope that is your thing, not mine.
> On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 17:08:52 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>
>
> >> The koran is THEIR book from God almighty. You yourself are a major denier of
> >> what Jesus called us to in our bible, such as the Holy Mass and 7 sacraments.
> >No it is not from God Almighty, why do you think it is? Are you going
> >to deny what Jesus did say, or that your Pope said?
>
> Nope.
>
> > I never deny Jesus or what He said and taught,
>
> Of course you do.
>
> > you do that as a follower the
> >Catholic Church and their Holy Mass and sacraments etc. Now you also
> >believe that the Qur'an is from God, that is a shame.
>
> You don't believe Jesus when he told us what to do. Are you trying to fault the
> muslims for that?
do not need anyones help in that area.
Thanks for making me correct again.
Dr. R. Knapp
Apr 10, 2012, 9:39:37 PM4/10/12
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On Apr 6, 12:31 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 04:58:11 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Apr 3, 3:30 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:19:42 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
> >> > >On Apr 3, 8:17 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 19:14:56 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >On Apr 2, 4:38 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:05:59 -0700 (PDT), arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >Why Muslims follow Jesus more closely than Christians
>
> >> >> >> >Pork - Jesus did not eat pork as described in Leviticus 11:7-8: "and
> >> >> >> >the swine [...] of their flesh you shall not eat". Pork is also
> >> >> >> >forbidden in the Qur'an, 2:173. Today, Christians eat pork, Muslims do
> >> >> >> >not.
>
> >> >> >> Why don't muslims eat pork? Why didn't the Jews eat pork? Why does God care?
>
> >> >> >The answer is easy, when that law was made the Jews were having to run
> >> >> >and leave areas and so would not have time to cook meat and such till
> >> >> >they are cooked, now a pig the pork has to be cooked till it is white
> >> >> >to be safe to eat.
>
> >> >> I know, but why would God make it a law not to eat pork? And people are not on
> >> >> the move that way any more.
>
> >> >> Why would God make it a law not to eat catfish or drink blood?
>
> >> >I gave you the medical answers as to why pork if it is not cooked long
> >> >enough could make one very sick even in 2012.
>
> >> I know. But why would God direct the Jews to do so, and why catfish and blood.
> >> You have ideas, you lack comprehension.
>
> >Not my ideas, these facts and such show God loved His people the Jews,
>
> And the muslims.
>
> >and told them what could hurt them and loved them so told them to be
> >careful in what they eat and drink.
>
> What's wrong with catfish and drinking blood, or mildew?
>
> > Remember in that time we did not
> >have medical facts about the harm in such could be. So God told them
> >what to do. Just like a teacher tells the students what to study and
> >what to do, to finish and graduate. We do not need to understand why
> >the teacher says such, but know they know why and we trust them to
> >protect us while in class.
>
> You're fumbling around, rk.
Thanks as long as I am correct, I can fumble all I like, seems you
have nothing to even be seen as fumbling about you like dropping the
ball.
>
> >> >As for drinking blood, we know again that many have sickness in their
> >> >blood and such could also make one very sick. God knew people will do
> >> >what they want and no one can tell them what they can or can not do,
> >> >so just made it a law for the foolish and ignorant people could stay
> >> >well and be blessed
>
> >> >R Knapp
>
> duke, American - American
>
R. Knapp
> On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 04:58:11 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Apr 3, 3:30 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:19:42 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
> >> > >On Apr 3, 8:17 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 19:14:56 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >On Apr 2, 4:38 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:05:59 -0700 (PDT), arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >Why Muslims follow Jesus more closely than Christians
>
> >> >> >> >Pork - Jesus did not eat pork as described in Leviticus 11:7-8: "and
> >> >> >> >the swine [...] of their flesh you shall not eat". Pork is also
> >> >> >> >forbidden in the Qur'an, 2:173. Today, Christians eat pork, Muslims do
> >> >> >> >not.
>
> >> >> >> Why don't muslims eat pork? Why didn't the Jews eat pork? Why does God care?
>
> >> >> >The answer is easy, when that law was made the Jews were having to run
> >> >> >and leave areas and so would not have time to cook meat and such till
> >> >> >they are cooked, now a pig the pork has to be cooked till it is white
> >> >> >to be safe to eat.
>
> >> >> I know, but why would God make it a law not to eat pork? And people are not on
> >> >> the move that way any more.
>
> >> >> Why would God make it a law not to eat catfish or drink blood?
>
> >> >I gave you the medical answers as to why pork if it is not cooked long
> >> >enough could make one very sick even in 2012.
>
> >> I know. But why would God direct the Jews to do so, and why catfish and blood.
> >> You have ideas, you lack comprehension.
>
> >Not my ideas, these facts and such show God loved His people the Jews,
>
> And the muslims.
>
> >and told them what could hurt them and loved them so told them to be
> >careful in what they eat and drink.
>
> What's wrong with catfish and drinking blood, or mildew?
>
> > Remember in that time we did not
> >have medical facts about the harm in such could be. So God told them
> >what to do. Just like a teacher tells the students what to study and
> >what to do, to finish and graduate. We do not need to understand why
> >the teacher says such, but know they know why and we trust them to
> >protect us while in class.
>
> You're fumbling around, rk.
Thanks as long as I am correct, I can fumble all I like, seems you
have nothing to even be seen as fumbling about you like dropping the
ball.
>
> >> >As for drinking blood, we know again that many have sickness in their
> >> >blood and such could also make one very sick. God knew people will do
> >> >what they want and no one can tell them what they can or can not do,
> >> >so just made it a law for the foolish and ignorant people could stay
> >> >well and be blessed
>
> >> >R Knapp
>
> duke, American - American
>
R. Knapp
Dr. R. Knapp
Apr 10, 2012, 9:51:49 PM4/10/12
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On Apr 7, 12:39 pm, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Why there were more stories of Mary in the Quran than in the bible?
Simple, your Quran is fiction and makes up stories about Mary, since
>
> Why there were more stories of Mary in the Quran than in the bible?
that book came over 500 years after Mary lived, The Bible tells the
truth, your book just lies and is fiction on such matters.
A comic book would be better reading then your kind of fiction.
Dr. R. Knapp
Apr 10, 2012, 10:14:42 PM4/10/12
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On Apr 10, 8:44 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
You think wrong, you may drink alcohol I do not, the last drink of
alcohol I drank was way back in 1960 then I gave my life to Jesus
Chrsit as Lord and Saviour. I would be lying like you do, if I say
what you want. Your priest get drunk with alcohol, 1 Thess 5:8-10
8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate
of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God
did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord
Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we
should live together with Him. NKJV
In the love of Jesus.
Rev. R. Knapp
alcohol I drank was way back in 1960 then I gave my life to Jesus
Chrsit as Lord and Saviour. I would be lying like you do, if I say
what you want. Your priest get drunk with alcohol, 1 Thess 5:8-10
8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate
of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God
did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord
Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we
should live together with Him. NKJV
In the love of Jesus.
Rev. R. Knapp
• R. L. Measures.
Apr 11, 2012, 5:16:18 AM4/11/12
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In article <6689o7ldkpe44lrhk...@4ax.com>, Alan Ferris
• Agreed Alan F. The mystery about white Christian racists is they seem
to be unaware that all races came from the same factory.
to be unaware that all races came from the same factory.
>
>"Now, did I want to go? Hell no. "
> -Duke (Earl Weber),
> explaining why it was patriotic for
> him to skip out on Vietnam, 3/30/2004
>"Now, did I want to go? Hell no. "
> -Duke (Earl Weber),
> explaining why it was patriotic for
> him to skip out on Vietnam, 3/30/2004
arah
Apr 11, 2012, 6:16:31 AM4/11/12
to
Deuteronomy 18:18 “I (God) will raise them up a Prophet from among
their brethren, like unto thee (Moses), and will put my words in his
mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”
Many Christians believe this prophecy foretold by Moses to be in
regards to Jesus. Indeed Jesus was foretold in the Old Testament, but
as will be clear, this prophecy does not befit him, but rather is more
deserving of Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon
him. Moses foretold the following:
1. The Prophet Will Be Like Moses
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/199/
2. The Awaited Prophet will be from the Brethren of the Jews
The verse in discussion is explicit in saying that the prophet will
come amongst the Brethren of the Jews. Abraham had two sons: Ishmael
and Isaac. The Jews are the descendants of Isaac’s son, Jacob. The
Arabs are the children of Ishmael. Thus, the Arabs are the brethren
of the Jewish nation.[3] The Bible affirms:
‘And he (Ishmael) shall dwell in the presence of all his
brethren.’ (Genesis 16:12)
‘And he (Ishmael) died in the presence of all his brethren.’ (Genesis
25:18)
The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. Likewise,
Muhammad is from among the brethren of the Israelites, because he was
a descendant of Ishmael the son of Abraham.
3. God Will Put His Words in the Mouth of the Awaited Prophet
The Quran says of Muhammad:
“Neither does he speak out of his own desire: that [which he conveys
to you] is but [a divine] inspiration with which he is being
inspired.” (Quran 53:3-4)
This is quite similar to the verse in Deuteronomy 18:15:
“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto
thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them
all that I shall command him” (Deuteronomy 18:18)
The Prophet Muhammad came with a message to the whole world, and from
them, the Jews. All, including the Jews, must accept his prophethood,
and this is supported by the following words:
“The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of
thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall
hearken.” (Deuteronomy 18:15)
4. A Warning to Rejecters
The prophecy continues:
Deuteronomy 18:19 “And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will
not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will
require [it] of him.” (in some translations: “I will be the
Revenger”).
Interestingly, Muslims begin every chapter of the Quran in the name of
God by saying:
Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Raheem
“‘In the Name of God, the Most-Merciful, the Dispenser of Grace.”
The following is the account of some scholars who believed this
prophecy to fit Muhammad.
The First Witness
Abdul-Ahad Dawud, the former Rev. David Benjamin Keldani, BD, a Roman
Catholic priest of the Uniate-Chaldean sect (read his biography
here). After accepting Islam, he wrote the book, ‘Muhammad in the
Bible.’ He writes about this prophecy:
“If these words do not apply to Muhammad, they still remain
unfulfilled. Jesus himself never claimed to be the prophet alluded
to. Even his disciples were of the same opinion: they looked to the
second coming of Jesus for the fulfillment of the prophecy (Acts 3:
17-24). So far it is undisputed that the first coming of Jesus was
not the advent of the Prophet like unto thee and his second advent can
hardly fulfill the words. Jesus, as is believed by his Church, will
appear as a Judge and not as a law-giver; but the promised one has to
come with a “fiery law” in his right hand.”[4]
The Second Witness
Muhammad Asad was born Leopold Weiss in July 1900 in the city of Lvov
(German Lemberg), now in Poland, then part of the Austrian Empire. He
was the descendant of a long line of rabbis, a line broken by his
father, who became a barrister. Asad himself received a thorough
religious education that would qualify him to keep alive the family’s
rabbinical tradition. He had become proficient in Hebrew at an early
age and was also familiar with Aramaic. He had studied the Old
Testament in the original as well as the text and commentaries of the
Talmud, the Mishna and Gemara, and he had delved into the intricacies
of Biblical exegesis, the Targum.[5]
Commenting on the verse of the Quran:
“and do not overlay the truth with falsehood, and do not knowingly
suppress the truth” (Quran 2:42)
Muhammad Asad writes:
“By ‘overlaying the truth with falsehood’ is meant the corrupting of
the biblical text, of which the Quran frequently accuses the Jews (and
which has since been established by objective textual criticism),
while the ‘suppression of the truth’ refers to their disregard or
deliberately false interpretation of the words of Moses in the
biblical passage, ‘The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a prophet
from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye
shall hearken’ (Deuteronomy 18:15), and the words attributed to God
himself, ‘I will raise them up a prophet from among thy brethren, like
unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth’ (Deuteronomy 18:18).
The ‘brethren’ of the children of Israel are obviously the Arabs, and
particularly the musta’ribah (‘Arabianized’) group among them, which
traces its descent to Ishmael and Abraham: and since it is this group
that the Arabian Prophet’s own tribe, the Quraish, belonged, the above
biblical passages must be taken as referring to his advent.”[6]
Continue reading
http://www.islamreligion.com/category/36/
their brethren, like unto thee (Moses), and will put my words in his
mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”
Many Christians believe this prophecy foretold by Moses to be in
regards to Jesus. Indeed Jesus was foretold in the Old Testament, but
as will be clear, this prophecy does not befit him, but rather is more
deserving of Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon
him. Moses foretold the following:
1. The Prophet Will Be Like Moses
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/199/
2. The Awaited Prophet will be from the Brethren of the Jews
The verse in discussion is explicit in saying that the prophet will
come amongst the Brethren of the Jews. Abraham had two sons: Ishmael
and Isaac. The Jews are the descendants of Isaac’s son, Jacob. The
Arabs are the children of Ishmael. Thus, the Arabs are the brethren
of the Jewish nation.[3] The Bible affirms:
‘And he (Ishmael) shall dwell in the presence of all his
brethren.’ (Genesis 16:12)
‘And he (Ishmael) died in the presence of all his brethren.’ (Genesis
25:18)
The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. Likewise,
Muhammad is from among the brethren of the Israelites, because he was
a descendant of Ishmael the son of Abraham.
3. God Will Put His Words in the Mouth of the Awaited Prophet
The Quran says of Muhammad:
“Neither does he speak out of his own desire: that [which he conveys
to you] is but [a divine] inspiration with which he is being
inspired.” (Quran 53:3-4)
This is quite similar to the verse in Deuteronomy 18:15:
“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto
thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them
all that I shall command him” (Deuteronomy 18:18)
The Prophet Muhammad came with a message to the whole world, and from
them, the Jews. All, including the Jews, must accept his prophethood,
and this is supported by the following words:
“The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of
thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall
hearken.” (Deuteronomy 18:15)
4. A Warning to Rejecters
The prophecy continues:
Deuteronomy 18:19 “And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will
not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will
require [it] of him.” (in some translations: “I will be the
Revenger”).
Interestingly, Muslims begin every chapter of the Quran in the name of
God by saying:
Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Raheem
“‘In the Name of God, the Most-Merciful, the Dispenser of Grace.”
The following is the account of some scholars who believed this
prophecy to fit Muhammad.
The First Witness
Abdul-Ahad Dawud, the former Rev. David Benjamin Keldani, BD, a Roman
Catholic priest of the Uniate-Chaldean sect (read his biography
here). After accepting Islam, he wrote the book, ‘Muhammad in the
Bible.’ He writes about this prophecy:
“If these words do not apply to Muhammad, they still remain
unfulfilled. Jesus himself never claimed to be the prophet alluded
to. Even his disciples were of the same opinion: they looked to the
second coming of Jesus for the fulfillment of the prophecy (Acts 3:
17-24). So far it is undisputed that the first coming of Jesus was
not the advent of the Prophet like unto thee and his second advent can
hardly fulfill the words. Jesus, as is believed by his Church, will
appear as a Judge and not as a law-giver; but the promised one has to
come with a “fiery law” in his right hand.”[4]
The Second Witness
Muhammad Asad was born Leopold Weiss in July 1900 in the city of Lvov
(German Lemberg), now in Poland, then part of the Austrian Empire. He
was the descendant of a long line of rabbis, a line broken by his
father, who became a barrister. Asad himself received a thorough
religious education that would qualify him to keep alive the family’s
rabbinical tradition. He had become proficient in Hebrew at an early
age and was also familiar with Aramaic. He had studied the Old
Testament in the original as well as the text and commentaries of the
Talmud, the Mishna and Gemara, and he had delved into the intricacies
of Biblical exegesis, the Targum.[5]
Commenting on the verse of the Quran:
“and do not overlay the truth with falsehood, and do not knowingly
suppress the truth” (Quran 2:42)
Muhammad Asad writes:
“By ‘overlaying the truth with falsehood’ is meant the corrupting of
the biblical text, of which the Quran frequently accuses the Jews (and
which has since been established by objective textual criticism),
while the ‘suppression of the truth’ refers to their disregard or
deliberately false interpretation of the words of Moses in the
biblical passage, ‘The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a prophet
from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye
shall hearken’ (Deuteronomy 18:15), and the words attributed to God
himself, ‘I will raise them up a prophet from among thy brethren, like
unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth’ (Deuteronomy 18:18).
The ‘brethren’ of the children of Israel are obviously the Arabs, and
particularly the musta’ribah (‘Arabianized’) group among them, which
traces its descent to Ishmael and Abraham: and since it is this group
that the Arabian Prophet’s own tribe, the Quraish, belonged, the above
biblical passages must be taken as referring to his advent.”[6]
Continue reading
http://www.islamreligion.com/category/36/
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
Apr 11, 2012, 11:25:39 AM4/11/12
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http://www.apostatesofislam.com/
We left Islam
Who we are:
We are ex-Muslims. Some of us were born and raised in Islam and some
of us had converted to Islam at some moment in our lives. We were
taught never to question the truth of Islam and to believe in Allah
and his messenger with blind faith. We were told that Allah would
forgive all sins but the sin of disbelief (Quran 4:48 and 4:116). But
we committed the ultimate sin of thinking and questioned the belief
that was imposed on us and we came to realize that far from being a
religion of truth, Islam is a hoax, it is hallucination of a sick mind
and nothing but lies and deceits.
What we believe:
Some of us have embraced other religions but most of us have simply
left Islam without believing in any other religion. We believe in
humanity. We believe that humans do not need to follow a religion to
be good. All we need to follow is the Golden Rule. All we have to do
is to treat others the way we expect to be treated. This is the
essence of all the goodness. All good religious teachings stem from
this eternal principle. This is the ultimate guidance humanity need.
This is the Golden Rule.
Why Mohammed was not a prophet:
One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly
life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert,
and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass
murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must
have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people
of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He
raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire
male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the
women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his
followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives and their
“right hand possessions” (Quran 33:50) He assassinated those who
criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de
facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He
was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not
forgive those who stood in his way. Muhammad was a narcissist like
Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate
people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a
6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He
brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their
wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly
believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of
crimes and his evil deeds are justified.
Why Quran is not from God:
Muhammad produced no miracles and when pressed he claimed that his
miracle is the Quran. Yet a cursory look at the Quran reveals that
this book is full of errors. Quran is replete with scientific
heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical
absurdities, grammatical errors and ethical fallacies. It is badly
compiled and it contradicts itself. There is nothing intelligent in
this book let alone miraculous. Muhammad challenged people to produce
a “Surah like it” or find an error therein, yet Muslims would kill
anyone who dares to criticize it. In such a climate of hypocrisy and
violence truth is the first casualty.
What is our goal?
We are apostates of Islam. We denounce Islam as a false doctrine of
hate and terror. However we are not against Muslims who are our own
kin and relatives. We do not advocate hate and violence. Muslims are
the main victims of Islam. Our goal is to educate them and let them
see the truth. We are against Islam and not the Muslims. We strive to
bring the Muslims into the fold of humanity. Eradicate Islam so our
people can be liberated, so they can prosper and break away from the
pillory of Islam. We would like to see Islamic countries dedicate more
time to science and less time to Quran and Sharia. We would like to
see them prosper and contribute to human civilization. We would like
to see the draconian laws of Islam eliminated and people are treated
humanely. We strive for freedom of beliefs, for equality of gender and
for oneness of humankind.
humankind’s biggest challenge:
Today the humanity is facing a great danger. Islamic fundamentalism is
on the rise and the hatred is brewing in the minds of millions of
Muslims. This hatred must be contained or there would be disastrous
consequences. We believe that the education is the only answer. Muslim
intellectuals must realize that Islam is a false doctrine and they
must let the rest of Islamic world know the truth. Islam is a religion
that thrives on the arrogant assumption that it is the most logical,
the most scientific and the most perfect religion. While the fact is
that it is the stupidest doctrine — the most backward and absurd
belief. Once the truth about Islam becomes common knowledge, it will
be weakened and the Islamic fanaticism will lose its fangs. Hundreds
of billions of dollars are being expended to combat Islamic terrorism,
yet no effort is made to contain the ideology behind this terrorism.
It is our belief that Islamic terrorism will not be eliminated unless
and until the ideology behind it is exposed and eradicated. This is
what we intend to do.
* * *
The Apostates of Islam
We left Islam
Who we are:
We are ex-Muslims. Some of us were born and raised in Islam and some
of us had converted to Islam at some moment in our lives. We were
taught never to question the truth of Islam and to believe in Allah
and his messenger with blind faith. We were told that Allah would
forgive all sins but the sin of disbelief (Quran 4:48 and 4:116). But
we committed the ultimate sin of thinking and questioned the belief
that was imposed on us and we came to realize that far from being a
religion of truth, Islam is a hoax, it is hallucination of a sick mind
and nothing but lies and deceits.
What we believe:
Some of us have embraced other religions but most of us have simply
left Islam without believing in any other religion. We believe in
humanity. We believe that humans do not need to follow a religion to
be good. All we need to follow is the Golden Rule. All we have to do
is to treat others the way we expect to be treated. This is the
essence of all the goodness. All good religious teachings stem from
this eternal principle. This is the ultimate guidance humanity need.
This is the Golden Rule.
Why Mohammed was not a prophet:
One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly
life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert,
and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass
murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must
have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people
of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He
raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire
male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the
women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his
followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives and their
“right hand possessions” (Quran 33:50) He assassinated those who
criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de
facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He
was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not
forgive those who stood in his way. Muhammad was a narcissist like
Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate
people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a
6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He
brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their
wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly
believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of
crimes and his evil deeds are justified.
Why Quran is not from God:
Muhammad produced no miracles and when pressed he claimed that his
miracle is the Quran. Yet a cursory look at the Quran reveals that
this book is full of errors. Quran is replete with scientific
heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical
absurdities, grammatical errors and ethical fallacies. It is badly
compiled and it contradicts itself. There is nothing intelligent in
this book let alone miraculous. Muhammad challenged people to produce
a “Surah like it” or find an error therein, yet Muslims would kill
anyone who dares to criticize it. In such a climate of hypocrisy and
violence truth is the first casualty.
What is our goal?
We are apostates of Islam. We denounce Islam as a false doctrine of
hate and terror. However we are not against Muslims who are our own
kin and relatives. We do not advocate hate and violence. Muslims are
the main victims of Islam. Our goal is to educate them and let them
see the truth. We are against Islam and not the Muslims. We strive to
bring the Muslims into the fold of humanity. Eradicate Islam so our
people can be liberated, so they can prosper and break away from the
pillory of Islam. We would like to see Islamic countries dedicate more
time to science and less time to Quran and Sharia. We would like to
see them prosper and contribute to human civilization. We would like
to see the draconian laws of Islam eliminated and people are treated
humanely. We strive for freedom of beliefs, for equality of gender and
for oneness of humankind.
humankind’s biggest challenge:
Today the humanity is facing a great danger. Islamic fundamentalism is
on the rise and the hatred is brewing in the minds of millions of
Muslims. This hatred must be contained or there would be disastrous
consequences. We believe that the education is the only answer. Muslim
intellectuals must realize that Islam is a false doctrine and they
must let the rest of Islamic world know the truth. Islam is a religion
that thrives on the arrogant assumption that it is the most logical,
the most scientific and the most perfect religion. While the fact is
that it is the stupidest doctrine — the most backward and absurd
belief. Once the truth about Islam becomes common knowledge, it will
be weakened and the Islamic fanaticism will lose its fangs. Hundreds
of billions of dollars are being expended to combat Islamic terrorism,
yet no effort is made to contain the ideology behind this terrorism.
It is our belief that Islamic terrorism will not be eliminated unless
and until the ideology behind it is exposed and eradicated. This is
what we intend to do.
* * *
The Apostates of Islam
duke
Apr 11, 2012, 3:38:43 PM4/11/12
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:14:42 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com>
wrote:
Jesus enjoyed a good glass of wine. He loved to party, eat, and nip a bit.
> I would be lying like you do, if I say
>what you want.
Nothing but truth from you.
> Your priest get drunk with alcohol, 1 Thess 5:8-10
>8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate
>of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God
>did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord
>Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we
>should live together with Him. NKJV
So you are reduced to making up lies by claiming that priests get drunk because
of that verse? If priests get drunk following that scripture, then you are
missing out in your own life.
>In the love of Jesus.
I see you dreaming there.
wrote:
> I would be lying like you do, if I say
>what you want.
> Your priest get drunk with alcohol, 1 Thess 5:8-10
>8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate
>of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God
>did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord
>Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we
>should live together with Him. NKJV
of that verse? If priests get drunk following that scripture, then you are
missing out in your own life.
>In the love of Jesus.
duke
Apr 11, 2012, 3:40:16 PM4/11/12
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:45:27 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com>
wrote:
>On Apr 7, 9:23 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 17:08:52 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >> The koran is THEIR book from God almighty. You yourself are a major denier of
>> >> what Jesus called us to in our bible, such as the Holy Mass and 7 sacraments.
>> >No it is not from God Almighty, why do you think it is? Are you going
>> >to deny what Jesus did say, or that your Pope said?
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> > I never deny Jesus or what He said and taught,
>>
>> Of course you do.
>Nope that is your thing, not mine.
Shall we review again all the teachings of Jesus that you deny?
>> > you do that as a follower the
>> >Catholic Church and their Holy Mass and sacraments etc. Now you also
>> >believe that the Qur'an is from God, that is a shame.
>>
>> You don't believe Jesus when he told us what to do. Are you trying to fault the
>> muslims for that?
>Again you mix me with yourself. Then the Muslims fault themself and
>do not need anyones help in that area.
You need help.
>Thanks for making me correct again.
You mean correcting you again, don't you?
wrote:
>On Apr 7, 9:23 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 17:08:52 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >> The koran is THEIR book from God almighty. You yourself are a major denier of
>> >> what Jesus called us to in our bible, such as the Holy Mass and 7 sacraments.
>> >No it is not from God Almighty, why do you think it is? Are you going
>> >to deny what Jesus did say, or that your Pope said?
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> > I never deny Jesus or what He said and taught,
>>
>> Of course you do.
>Nope that is your thing, not mine.
>> > you do that as a follower the
>> >Catholic Church and their Holy Mass and sacraments etc. Now you also
>> >believe that the Qur'an is from God, that is a shame.
>>
>> You don't believe Jesus when he told us what to do. Are you trying to fault the
>> muslims for that?
>Again you mix me with yourself. Then the Muslims fault themself and
>do not need anyones help in that area.
>Thanks for making me correct again.
duke
Apr 11, 2012, 3:41:21 PM4/11/12
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We use Almighty. Leave the "The" off.
duke
Apr 11, 2012, 3:42:26 PM4/11/12
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:39:37 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com>
wrote:
A simple thing like why God makes catfish a no-no is beyond a "supposed" pastor?
>> >> >As for drinking blood, we know again that many have sickness in their
>> >> >blood and such could also make one very sick. God knew people will do
>> >> >what they want and no one can tell them what they can or can not do,
>> >> >so just made it a law for the foolish and ignorant people could stay
>> >> >well and be blessed
wrote:
>> >> >As for drinking blood, we know again that many have sickness in their
>> >> >blood and such could also make one very sick. God knew people will do
>> >> >what they want and no one can tell them what they can or can not do,
>> >> >so just made it a law for the foolish and ignorant people could stay
>> >> >well and be blessed
duke
Apr 11, 2012, 3:42:53 PM4/11/12
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:51:49 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com>
wrote:
>On Apr 7, 12:39 pm, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Why there were more stories of Mary in the Quran than in the bible?
>
>Simple, your Quran is fiction
Both of you worship the same God, rk.
wrote:
>On Apr 7, 12:39 pm, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Why there were more stories of Mary in the Quran than in the bible?
>
>Simple, your Quran is fiction
duke
Apr 11, 2012, 5:07:51 PM4/11/12
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>>"Now, did I want to go? Hell no. "
>> -Duke (Earl Weber),
>> explaining why it was patriotic for
>> him to skip out on Vietnam, 3/30/2004
of the truth.
duke
Apr 11, 2012, 5:09:01 PM4/11/12
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Alan Ferris
Apr 11, 2012, 5:29:41 PM4/11/12
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:41:21 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>• No. Any guy whose nickname is The Almighty probably has one that would
>>lay waste to a hymen.
>
>She never had sex.
Nobody knows that.
>>• No. Any guy whose nickname is The Almighty probably has one that would
>>lay waste to a hymen.
>
>She never had sex.
Alan Ferris
Apr 11, 2012, 5:30:53 PM4/11/12
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:07:51 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>"Now, did I want to go? Hell no. "
>>> -Duke (Earl Weber),
>>> explaining why it was patriotic for
>>> him to skip out on Vietnam, 3/30/2004
>
>Yep, I made weapons rather than carry one. But stinky doesn't care for the rest
>of the truth.
I love it when Puke has to try and defend his actions. He just makes
>>>"Now, did I want to go? Hell no. "
>>> -Duke (Earl Weber),
>>> explaining why it was patriotic for
>>> him to skip out on Vietnam, 3/30/2004
>
>Yep, I made weapons rather than carry one. But stinky doesn't care for the rest
>of the truth.
him sin more.
"I think, way back been I spent time (wasted, really) trying to get
some idiot from Louisiana (Earl Weber?) to leave y'all the hell
alone." - Rev. Dye
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Alan Ferris
Apr 11, 2012, 5:32:14 PM4/11/12
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:40:16 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>Nope that is your thing, not mine.
>
>Shall we review again all the teachings of Jesus that you deny?
Take the mote from your own eye first Earl.
>>Nope that is your thing, not mine.
>
>Shall we review again all the teachings of Jesus that you deny?
"I spoke to some folks on the phone re: Earl Webber. My impression is
that he is either a very sick man, or a very evil man, or quite
possibly both. It's saddenening for me, and frustrating that he won't
leave you in peace." - Rev. Dye
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• R. L. Measures.
Apr 11, 2012, 7:51:23 PM4/11/12
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In article <ghnbo7lgtlej7gqg1...@4ax.com>, duke
• Matt 13:55 and Mark 6:3. says he had 4 brothers named James, Joses,
Simon, and Judas.
Simon, and Judas.
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>We use Almighty. Leave the "The" off.
>
• The means there is only one.
>We use Almighty. Leave the "The" off.
>
• R. L. Measures.
Apr 11, 2012, 7:54:03 PM4/11/12
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• R. L. Measures.
Apr 11, 2012, 7:58:10 PM4/11/12
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• R. L. Measures.
Apr 11, 2012, 7:59:14 PM4/11/12
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In article <tttbo7thkk41nrbb4...@4ax.com>, Alan Ferris
<hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:41:21 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>>• No. Any guy whose nickname is The Almighty probably has one that would
>>>lay waste to a hymen.
>>
>>She never had sex.
>
>Nobody knows that.
>
• A TBRC will say anything to support Mariology.
>On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:41:21 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
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>>>• No. Any guy whose nickname is The Almighty probably has one that would
>>>lay waste to a hymen.
>>
>>She never had sex.
>
>Nobody knows that.
>
Dr. R. Knapp
Apr 11, 2012, 10:36:33 PM4/11/12
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On Apr 3, 3:33 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:43:24 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>
>
> >> We are what we ate!!!!
>
> The exact reason you have for not eating pork, catfish, or blood.
You have no way to say you have a exact reason for anything.
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:43:24 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>
>
> >> We are what we ate!!!!
>
> >> Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
>
> >> Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
>
> >> The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
> >> known. The following points explain various aspects of this
> >> prohibition:
>
> >> 1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
>
> >> The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
> >> different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
>
> >> “Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
> >> swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
> >> Allah.” [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
>
> >> The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
> >> as to why pork is forbidden.
>
> >So really you have no idea why not to eat pork
> >> known. The following points explain various aspects of this
> >> prohibition:
>
> >> 1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
>
> >> The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
> >> different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
>
> >> “Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
> >> swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
> >> Allah.” [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
>
> >> The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
> >> as to why pork is forbidden.
>
>
> The exact reason you have for not eating pork, catfish, or blood.
You have no way to say you have a exact reason for anything.
duke
Apr 12, 2012, 1:24:36 PM4/12/12
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meat with blood in it? What spiritual value did God add to these issues?
duke
Apr 12, 2012, 1:26:35 PM4/12/12
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>>We use Almighty. Leave the "The" off.
>• The means there is only one.
duke
Apr 12, 2012, 1:27:50 PM4/12/12
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Denzel Washington.
duke
Apr 13, 2012, 3:50:38 PM4/13/12
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:36:33 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com>
wrote:
Then tell me, rk, why would God, God no less, tell people not to eat pork,
catfish, or drink blood.
wrote:
catfish, or drink blood.
Dr. R. Knapp
Apr 13, 2012, 10:49:33 PM4/13/12
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On Apr 12, 1:24 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:58:10 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
> But why did God have to make a law about it. And eating catfish, and drinking
> meat with blood in it? What spiritual value did God add to these issues?
Because God created mankind and has can tell HIS creation what to do
> On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:58:10 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
> But why did God have to make a law about it. And eating catfish, and drinking
> meat with blood in it? What spiritual value did God add to these issues?
and what not to do, you have no right to question God. HE said it so
you just obey Him no room for disobedience. You answer to God HE does
not answer to YOU. One spiritual value we can see is that folks like
you call yourself a believer but do not do as God told you, which
makes you a sinner and on the way to HELL. God is the HEAD and is the
only HEAD as such HE tells HIS creation what to do, eat, wear, etc.
thousands of things, it is not for you to Question your Father, the
Creator about what He said this or that.
Dr. R. Knapp
Apr 13, 2012, 10:58:15 PM4/13/12
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On Apr 13, 3:50 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:36:33 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
says to do, you are to obey. No question if you are His child you
obey, if your a fake you do not and the end is JUDGEMENT. A child is
to obey their Mother and Father, they made you as a baby, and if you
love them you obey them. How much more that would apply GOD, God does
no answer to you, you answer to HIM, you disobey for what ever reason
shows you are NOT HIS Child and follow the ways of evil and sin like
Satan the fallen angel did and in the end is Hell not Heaven. You do
not ask why God does what God does, you obey God and then all is well.
God had HIS reasons for saying not to do this or that, HE knows better
and we are to hear and obey there is no other way. You do not need to
know why, your to trust God that HE knows what is best.
Pastor R. Knapp
> On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:36:33 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Apr 3, 3:33 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:43:24 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> We are what we ate!!!!
>
> >> >> Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
>
> >> >> The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
> >> >> known. The following points explain various aspects of this
> >> >> prohibition:
>
> >> >> 1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
>
> >> >> The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
> >> >> different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
>
> >> >> “Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
> >> >> swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
> >> >> Allah.” [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
>
> >> >> The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
> >> >> as to why pork is forbidden.
>
> >> >So really you have no idea why not to eat pork
>
> >> The exact reason you have for not eating pork, catfish, or blood.
> >You have no way to say you have a exact reason for anything.
>
> Then tell me, rk, why would God, God no less, tell people not to eat pork,
> catfish, or drink blood.
Because HE is the FATHER and CREATOR you belong to HIM and What HE
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Apr 3, 3:33 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:43:24 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> We are what we ate!!!!
>
> >> >> Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
>
> >> >> The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well
> >> >> known. The following points explain various aspects of this
> >> >> prohibition:
>
> >> >> 1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
>
> >> >> The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4
> >> >> different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
>
> >> >> “Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of
> >> >> swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than
> >> >> Allah.” [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
>
> >> >> The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim
> >> >> as to why pork is forbidden.
>
> >> >So really you have no idea why not to eat pork
>
> >> The exact reason you have for not eating pork, catfish, or blood.
> >You have no way to say you have a exact reason for anything.
>
> Then tell me, rk, why would God, God no less, tell people not to eat pork,
> catfish, or drink blood.
says to do, you are to obey. No question if you are His child you
obey, if your a fake you do not and the end is JUDGEMENT. A child is
to obey their Mother and Father, they made you as a baby, and if you
love them you obey them. How much more that would apply GOD, God does
no answer to you, you answer to HIM, you disobey for what ever reason
shows you are NOT HIS Child and follow the ways of evil and sin like
Satan the fallen angel did and in the end is Hell not Heaven. You do
not ask why God does what God does, you obey God and then all is well.
God had HIS reasons for saying not to do this or that, HE knows better
and we are to hear and obey there is no other way. You do not need to
know why, your to trust God that HE knows what is best.
Pastor R. Knapp
duke
Apr 14, 2012, 1:04:12 PM4/14/12
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:49:33 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com>
wrote:
>On Apr 12, 1:24 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:58:10 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>>
>> But why did God have to make a law about it. And eating catfish, and drinking
>> meat with blood in it? What spiritual value did God add to these issues?
>
>Because God created mankind and has can tell HIS creation what to do
>and what not to do, you have no right to question God.
Ok, just more you're clueless about re your God.
> HE said it so
>you just obey Him no room for disobedience.
How dumb and ignorant can you get?
> You answer to God HE does
>not answer to YOU. One spiritual value we can see is that folks like
>you call yourself a believer but do not do as God told you, which
>makes you a sinner and on the way to HELL. God is the HEAD and is the
>only HEAD as such HE tells HIS creation what to do, eat, wear, etc.
>thousands of things, it is not for you to Question your Father, the
>Creator about what He said this or that.
wrote:
>On Apr 12, 1:24 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:58:10 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>>
>> But why did God have to make a law about it. And eating catfish, and drinking
>> meat with blood in it? What spiritual value did God add to these issues?
>
>Because God created mankind and has can tell HIS creation what to do
>and what not to do, you have no right to question God.
> HE said it so
>you just obey Him no room for disobedience.
> You answer to God HE does
>not answer to YOU. One spiritual value we can see is that folks like
>you call yourself a believer but do not do as God told you, which
>makes you a sinner and on the way to HELL. God is the HEAD and is the
>only HEAD as such HE tells HIS creation what to do, eat, wear, etc.
>thousands of things, it is not for you to Question your Father, the
>Creator about what He said this or that.
duke
Apr 14, 2012, 1:05:02 PM4/14/12
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:58:15 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com>
wrote:
Hitler issued orders like that too. You really don't know almighty God, do you?
No question if you are His child you
>obey, if your a fake you do not and the end is JUDGEMENT. A child is
>to obey their Mother and Father, they made you as a baby, and if you
>love them you obey them. How much more that would apply GOD, God does
>no answer to you, you answer to HIM, you disobey for what ever reason
>shows you are NOT HIS Child and follow the ways of evil and sin like
>Satan the fallen angel did and in the end is Hell not Heaven. You do
>not ask why God does what God does, you obey God and then all is well.
>God had HIS reasons for saying not to do this or that, HE knows better
>and we are to hear and obey there is no other way. You do not need to
>know why, your to trust God that HE knows what is best.
>
>Pastor R. Knapp
wrote:
No question if you are His child you
>obey, if your a fake you do not and the end is JUDGEMENT. A child is
>to obey their Mother and Father, they made you as a baby, and if you
>love them you obey them. How much more that would apply GOD, God does
>no answer to you, you answer to HIM, you disobey for what ever reason
>shows you are NOT HIS Child and follow the ways of evil and sin like
>Satan the fallen angel did and in the end is Hell not Heaven. You do
>not ask why God does what God does, you obey God and then all is well.
>God had HIS reasons for saying not to do this or that, HE knows better
>and we are to hear and obey there is no other way. You do not need to
>know why, your to trust God that HE knows what is best.
>
>Pastor R. Knapp
arah
Apr 14, 2012, 3:49:54 PM4/14/12
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God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should
change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and
not fulfill? Numbers 23:19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKAL0YSDHIs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
>
> - Show quoted text -
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
Apr 15, 2012, 12:52:42 AM4/15/12
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Ex 3:14 - And God said unto Moses,
I AM THAT I AM: and he said,
Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,
I AM hath sent me unto you.
Joh 8:58 - Jesus said unto them,
Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Before Abraham was,
I am.
Joh 20:28 -And Thomas answered and said unto him,
My Lord and my God.
Meditate on:
33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead,
and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood.
34. Who, although He is God and man,
yet He is not two, but one Christ.
arah
Apr 16, 2012, 9:28:26 AM4/16/12
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Below, we will see how Jesus in John 8:58 didn't say "I AM". He
rather said "I HAVE (seen Abraham before he was even born)". See the
proofs from the Greek language below!
John 8:58's deliberate mistranslation of Jesus saying "I AM" with new
evidence from the Greek language!
The sections of this article are:
1- The text of John 8:58.
(a)- Jesus was the foretold Messiah and the greatest and final
Jewish Prophet.
(i)- Jesus also was the heir who will inherit the
earth.
2- The Greek text of John 8:58. My detailed analysis.
(a)- Jesus didn't even say it in Greek!
1- The text of John 8:58:
Throughout the Bible, Jesus Christ is recorded to have made many
claims regarding how GOD Almighty is Higher and Greater than him.
These statements should be clear enough to demonstrate and prove that
Jesus Christ, the Messiah (anointed, chosen to be the lord/leader/
master of the Jews, their final Prophet), is no more than a creation
of GOD Almighty. However, Christians often bring few verses that
supposedly prove otherwise; that Jesus is GOD Almighty Himself. Such
verses are: John 1, John 8:58, Colossians 1:15-16 and perhaps few
others. This article will analyze John 8:58 in great details to find
out whether or not their claims are true.
Here is how John 8 reads:
(Pay attention to the red emphasis below)
John 8
1 But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people
gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them.
3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught
in adultery. They made her stand before the group
4 and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of
adultery.
5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you
say?"
6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis
for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the
ground with his finger.
7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to
them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw
a stone at her."
8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older
ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing
there.
10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no
one condemned you?"
11 "No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus
declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."
The Validity of Jesus' Testimony
12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of
the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will
have the light of life."
13 The Pharisees challenged him, "Here you are, appearing as your own
witness; your testimony is not valid."
14 Jesus answered, "Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony
is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you
have no idea where I come from or where I am going.
15 You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one.
16 But if I do judge, my decisions are right, because I am not alone.
I stand with the Father, who sent me.
17 In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two men is
valid.
18 I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father,
who sent me."
19 Then they asked him, "Where is your father?" "You do not know me or
my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father
also."
20 He spoke these words while teaching in the temple area near the
place where the offerings were put. Yet no one seized him, because his
time had not yet come.
21 Once more Jesus said to them, "I am going away, and you will look
for me, and you will die in your sin. Where I go, you cannot come."
22 This made the Jews ask, "Will he kill himself? Is that why he says,
'Where I go, you cannot come'?"
23 But he continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of
this world; I am not of this world.
24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe
that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins."
25 "Who are you?" they asked. "Just what I have been claiming all
along," Jesus replied.
26 "I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is
reliable, and what I have heard from him I tell the world."
27 They did not understand that he was telling them about his Father.
28 So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you
will know that I am the one I claim to be and that I do nothing on my
own but speak just what the Father has taught me.
29 The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I
always do what pleases him."
30 Even as he spoke, many put their faith in him.
The Children of Abraham
31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my
teaching, you are really my disciples.
32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
33 They answered him, "We are Abraham's descendants and have never
been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?"
34 Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave
to sin.
35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs
to it forever.
36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
37 I know you are Abraham's descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me,
because you have no room for my word.
38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father's presence, and you
do what you have heard from your father."
39 "Abraham is our father," they answered. "If you were Abraham's
children," said Jesus, "then you would do the things Abraham did.
40 As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the
truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things.
41 You are doing the things your own father does." "We are not
illegitimate children," they protested. "The only Father we have is
God himself."
The Children of the Devil
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me,
for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he
sent me.
43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear
what I say.
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out
your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not
holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he
speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth,
why don't you believe me?
47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not
hear is that you do not belong to God."
The Claims of Jesus About Himself
48 The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that you are a
Samaritan and demon-possessed?"
49 "I am not possessed by a demon," said Jesus, "but I honor my Father
and you dishonor me.
50 I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it,
and he is the judge.
51 I tell you the truth, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see
death."
52 At this the Jews exclaimed, "Now we know that you are demon-
possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that if
anyone keeps your word, he will never taste death.
53 Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the
prophets. Who do you think you are?"
54 Jesus replied, "If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My
Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me.
55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I
would be a liar like you, but I do know him and keep his word.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he
saw it and was glad."
57 "You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you
have seen Abraham!"
58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I
am (I have seen Abraham before he was even born)!"
Jesus here was abruptly interrupted by the Jews who got fed up from
him. See the next verse below. They thought that he was insulting
their intelligence and their cherished faith by talking blasphemous
garbage (such as Abraham rejoiced for him (John 8:56) and other
things). It is clear that Jesus was most likely interrupted and
wasn't heard finishing up his sentence. Also, the context of Jesus'
words were about seeing Abraham before he was even born. This is
nothing new in the Bible. In the Old Testament, we read:
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I
set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations. (From the
NIV Bible, Jeremiah 1:5)"
Since Jesus was created from the Word of GOD Almighty, and since also
our human-spirits are also created from the Holy Spirit, and since
Jesus was a Word from the Word of Allah Almighty, then it is quite
possible for him to have known, or seen the records of the future
human-creations that were going to be created on earth, such as
Abraham and others. After all, Allah Almighty uses Angels, Spirits
and other created Beings of His to create creations under His
Command. Things in the spiritual realm are different. Existence in
the spiritual world, including our spirits, is Eternal. Our earthly
bodies are not Eternal. So, Jesus having a prior knowledge about
Abraham's spirit is nothing unusual in the spiritual world.
Abraham here was used by Jesus because the Jews used him as their
highest and greatest Prophet against Jesus. So it wasn't Jesus who
brought up Abraham. It was the Jews. Otherwise, Jesus would not have
mentioned Abraham or any earthly creation. See verse 33 above.
Also, Jesus is the foretold Messiah, the anointed/selected final and
greatest Prophet for the Jews, who will come and establish peace on
earth and rule the earth in the end. The Old Testament makes it clear
that the Messiah will inherit and rule the earth [1] [2]. See the sub-
section below for more details.
However, we must always never forget that the text of the Bible is
neither genuine nor original. The Bible's books and gospels,
according to its own translators and theologians [2] [3], were
Written by mysterious men.
Written by an unknown number of men.
Written in unknown places.
Written in unknown dates.
Furthermore, if Jesus declared to be the Yahweh Almighty (I am What I
am) in Exodus 3, then he would not have hid himself and slipped away!
Use your heads, O Christians, and think about this:
1- Examine what Yahweh Almighty did when He Declared Himself to be "I
am What I am". What did He do? He Revealed His Majesty, Glory and
Power! I could only imagine Moses could hardly stand on his feet from
the overwhelming fear that he experienced!
2- Jesus, when he supposedly declared The Ultimate and Final
Statement about himself being the "I am", what did he do? He hid
himself and ran away from the beating. This is what he did after he
willingly decided to declare his Ultimate and Final Statement about
his being and supposed deity. Do you still fail to see the
overwhelming inconsistency here?
3- Jesus' supposed statement, "I am", was documented on paper in
Greek. Yahweh Almighty's Statement in Exodus 3 was in Hebrew. The
two languages are not only far too different from each others, but the
two statements are also not the same.
"I am" is not the same as "I am What I am".
Ample more indisputable proofs and points on this are presented
below. Also, the Greek main-section below has tons of indisputable
proofs as well.
59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself,
slipping away from the temple grounds.
There are few important notes to mention here:
1- In verse 29, Jesus says that he only does what pleases GOD
Almighty.
2- In verses 33, 39, 53 and 57, the Jews declare that they are the
descendants of Abraham.
3- In verse 37, Jesus confirms that they are Abraham's descendants.
4- In verse 57, the Jews say that Jesus never saw Abraham.
5- (Ample proofs from the Greek language, below, are provided for
this one) In verse 58, Jesus DID NOT SAY "I AM". He rather said, "I
HAVE (seen Abraham before he was even born)". The following analysis
give further proofs for this:
The context of Jesus' statement is clearly about whether or not he saw
Abraham.
When GOD Almighty revealed Himself to Moses in Exodus 3, and told him
"I am what I am", He, the Almighty, revealed with it His Majesty and
Glory. Jesus, when said "I have", he ran from the rocks that were
hurled at him from the angry crowd.
GOD Almighty in Exodus 3 Spoke to Moses in Hebrew, while Jesus in John
8:58, spoke it in Aramaic, and the original Aramaic is lost. All what
he have today is a Greek translation for the original.
The "I AM" in John 8:58 is a desperate mistranslation, because even if
we take it to be right, it still doesn't say "I am what I am".
If Jesus truly wanted to say "I AM" in reference to Exodus 3, then he
should've said before Adam or humanity I AM WHAT I AM; not Abraham.
6- It is also highly probable that Jesus was interrupted by the Jews
picking up rocks and hurling them at him, hence, he was only recorded
to have said "I HAVE" because he wasn't able to finish his sentence.
This point, while it may sound very lame and weak, but in reality is
quite possible and sound!
(a)- Jesus was the foretold Messiah and the greatest and final Jewish
Prophet:
Jesus Christ was the foretold Messiah (anointed, chosen, selected).
He was the final and greatest Prophet to the Jews. That is why he is
the Messiah. A Messiah is a selected King. This means all of the
Jews' kings were Messiahs. The Messiah is also the king who will
establish the final peace on earth. He is also the Messiah because he
will inherit the earth after he defeats the anti-Christ. These points
are covered with Biblical references and analysis at:
Jesus is only the heir of GOD Almighty on planet earth; not on the
entire Universe.
Does the word "Messiah" really mean GOD? or does it even have anything
to do with GOD's Deity?
So most certainly, Jesus being the heir of GOD Almighty doesn't make
him GOD Almighty Himself, nor the son of GOD Almighty. Jesus will
only inherit the earth. It is a symbolic speech that means that he
will rule over earth. The earth will still be under the full
authority of GOD Almighty. "Son of GOD" in the original Hebrew means
servant of GOD. This is proven in the following articles:
"Son of God" literally means "Servant of God" in Hebrew. Bible agrees
with Islam, not with pagan trinity and today's wrong and twisted
translations of "Son of God".
The Bible directly claims that ANY "Son of GOD" is a "God"!
(Refutation to Jesus' being God meaning that he is GOD Almighty).
"Son of GOD" conflict between the Bible and the Noble Quran.
The definition of "Son of God" in Islam.
Son of GOD: Some Muslims' Misconception.
"Son of Man" does not mean "GOD" or "Son of GOD".
Can we trust the Son of Man?
Does calling Jesus "Son of God" prove that he is GOD?
Rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's "The Incomprehensible Nature of God and his
Son" article. Thoroughly refuting and exposing Sam Shamoun's trinity-
lies and absurdities in Proverbs 30:4 where he tried to falsely prove
trinity through it.
2- The Greek texts of John 8:58:
Continue reading:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/iam.htm
On Apr 15, 7:52 am, "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com"
rather said "I HAVE (seen Abraham before he was even born)". See the
proofs from the Greek language below!
John 8:58's deliberate mistranslation of Jesus saying "I AM" with new
evidence from the Greek language!
The sections of this article are:
1- The text of John 8:58.
(a)- Jesus was the foretold Messiah and the greatest and final
Jewish Prophet.
(i)- Jesus also was the heir who will inherit the
earth.
2- The Greek text of John 8:58. My detailed analysis.
(a)- Jesus didn't even say it in Greek!
1- The text of John 8:58:
Throughout the Bible, Jesus Christ is recorded to have made many
claims regarding how GOD Almighty is Higher and Greater than him.
These statements should be clear enough to demonstrate and prove that
Jesus Christ, the Messiah (anointed, chosen to be the lord/leader/
master of the Jews, their final Prophet), is no more than a creation
of GOD Almighty. However, Christians often bring few verses that
supposedly prove otherwise; that Jesus is GOD Almighty Himself. Such
verses are: John 1, John 8:58, Colossians 1:15-16 and perhaps few
others. This article will analyze John 8:58 in great details to find
out whether or not their claims are true.
Here is how John 8 reads:
(Pay attention to the red emphasis below)
John 8
1 But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people
gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them.
3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught
in adultery. They made her stand before the group
4 and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of
adultery.
5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you
say?"
6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis
for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the
ground with his finger.
7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to
them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw
a stone at her."
8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older
ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing
there.
10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no
one condemned you?"
11 "No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus
declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."
The Validity of Jesus' Testimony
12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of
the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will
have the light of life."
13 The Pharisees challenged him, "Here you are, appearing as your own
witness; your testimony is not valid."
14 Jesus answered, "Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony
is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you
have no idea where I come from or where I am going.
15 You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one.
16 But if I do judge, my decisions are right, because I am not alone.
I stand with the Father, who sent me.
17 In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two men is
valid.
18 I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father,
who sent me."
19 Then they asked him, "Where is your father?" "You do not know me or
my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father
also."
20 He spoke these words while teaching in the temple area near the
place where the offerings were put. Yet no one seized him, because his
time had not yet come.
21 Once more Jesus said to them, "I am going away, and you will look
for me, and you will die in your sin. Where I go, you cannot come."
22 This made the Jews ask, "Will he kill himself? Is that why he says,
'Where I go, you cannot come'?"
23 But he continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of
this world; I am not of this world.
24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe
that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins."
25 "Who are you?" they asked. "Just what I have been claiming all
along," Jesus replied.
26 "I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is
reliable, and what I have heard from him I tell the world."
27 They did not understand that he was telling them about his Father.
28 So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you
will know that I am the one I claim to be and that I do nothing on my
own but speak just what the Father has taught me.
29 The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I
always do what pleases him."
30 Even as he spoke, many put their faith in him.
The Children of Abraham
31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my
teaching, you are really my disciples.
32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
33 They answered him, "We are Abraham's descendants and have never
been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?"
34 Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave
to sin.
35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs
to it forever.
36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
37 I know you are Abraham's descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me,
because you have no room for my word.
38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father's presence, and you
do what you have heard from your father."
39 "Abraham is our father," they answered. "If you were Abraham's
children," said Jesus, "then you would do the things Abraham did.
40 As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the
truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things.
41 You are doing the things your own father does." "We are not
illegitimate children," they protested. "The only Father we have is
God himself."
The Children of the Devil
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me,
for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he
sent me.
43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear
what I say.
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out
your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not
holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he
speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth,
why don't you believe me?
47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not
hear is that you do not belong to God."
The Claims of Jesus About Himself
48 The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that you are a
Samaritan and demon-possessed?"
49 "I am not possessed by a demon," said Jesus, "but I honor my Father
and you dishonor me.
50 I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it,
and he is the judge.
51 I tell you the truth, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see
death."
52 At this the Jews exclaimed, "Now we know that you are demon-
possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that if
anyone keeps your word, he will never taste death.
53 Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the
prophets. Who do you think you are?"
54 Jesus replied, "If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My
Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me.
55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I
would be a liar like you, but I do know him and keep his word.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he
saw it and was glad."
57 "You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you
have seen Abraham!"
58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I
am (I have seen Abraham before he was even born)!"
Jesus here was abruptly interrupted by the Jews who got fed up from
him. See the next verse below. They thought that he was insulting
their intelligence and their cherished faith by talking blasphemous
garbage (such as Abraham rejoiced for him (John 8:56) and other
things). It is clear that Jesus was most likely interrupted and
wasn't heard finishing up his sentence. Also, the context of Jesus'
words were about seeing Abraham before he was even born. This is
nothing new in the Bible. In the Old Testament, we read:
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I
set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations. (From the
NIV Bible, Jeremiah 1:5)"
Since Jesus was created from the Word of GOD Almighty, and since also
our human-spirits are also created from the Holy Spirit, and since
Jesus was a Word from the Word of Allah Almighty, then it is quite
possible for him to have known, or seen the records of the future
human-creations that were going to be created on earth, such as
Abraham and others. After all, Allah Almighty uses Angels, Spirits
and other created Beings of His to create creations under His
Command. Things in the spiritual realm are different. Existence in
the spiritual world, including our spirits, is Eternal. Our earthly
bodies are not Eternal. So, Jesus having a prior knowledge about
Abraham's spirit is nothing unusual in the spiritual world.
Abraham here was used by Jesus because the Jews used him as their
highest and greatest Prophet against Jesus. So it wasn't Jesus who
brought up Abraham. It was the Jews. Otherwise, Jesus would not have
mentioned Abraham or any earthly creation. See verse 33 above.
Also, Jesus is the foretold Messiah, the anointed/selected final and
greatest Prophet for the Jews, who will come and establish peace on
earth and rule the earth in the end. The Old Testament makes it clear
that the Messiah will inherit and rule the earth [1] [2]. See the sub-
section below for more details.
However, we must always never forget that the text of the Bible is
neither genuine nor original. The Bible's books and gospels,
according to its own translators and theologians [2] [3], were
Written by mysterious men.
Written by an unknown number of men.
Written in unknown places.
Written in unknown dates.
Furthermore, if Jesus declared to be the Yahweh Almighty (I am What I
am) in Exodus 3, then he would not have hid himself and slipped away!
Use your heads, O Christians, and think about this:
1- Examine what Yahweh Almighty did when He Declared Himself to be "I
am What I am". What did He do? He Revealed His Majesty, Glory and
Power! I could only imagine Moses could hardly stand on his feet from
the overwhelming fear that he experienced!
2- Jesus, when he supposedly declared The Ultimate and Final
Statement about himself being the "I am", what did he do? He hid
himself and ran away from the beating. This is what he did after he
willingly decided to declare his Ultimate and Final Statement about
his being and supposed deity. Do you still fail to see the
overwhelming inconsistency here?
3- Jesus' supposed statement, "I am", was documented on paper in
Greek. Yahweh Almighty's Statement in Exodus 3 was in Hebrew. The
two languages are not only far too different from each others, but the
two statements are also not the same.
"I am" is not the same as "I am What I am".
Ample more indisputable proofs and points on this are presented
below. Also, the Greek main-section below has tons of indisputable
proofs as well.
59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself,
slipping away from the temple grounds.
There are few important notes to mention here:
1- In verse 29, Jesus says that he only does what pleases GOD
Almighty.
2- In verses 33, 39, 53 and 57, the Jews declare that they are the
descendants of Abraham.
3- In verse 37, Jesus confirms that they are Abraham's descendants.
4- In verse 57, the Jews say that Jesus never saw Abraham.
5- (Ample proofs from the Greek language, below, are provided for
this one) In verse 58, Jesus DID NOT SAY "I AM". He rather said, "I
HAVE (seen Abraham before he was even born)". The following analysis
give further proofs for this:
The context of Jesus' statement is clearly about whether or not he saw
Abraham.
When GOD Almighty revealed Himself to Moses in Exodus 3, and told him
"I am what I am", He, the Almighty, revealed with it His Majesty and
Glory. Jesus, when said "I have", he ran from the rocks that were
hurled at him from the angry crowd.
GOD Almighty in Exodus 3 Spoke to Moses in Hebrew, while Jesus in John
8:58, spoke it in Aramaic, and the original Aramaic is lost. All what
he have today is a Greek translation for the original.
The "I AM" in John 8:58 is a desperate mistranslation, because even if
we take it to be right, it still doesn't say "I am what I am".
If Jesus truly wanted to say "I AM" in reference to Exodus 3, then he
should've said before Adam or humanity I AM WHAT I AM; not Abraham.
6- It is also highly probable that Jesus was interrupted by the Jews
picking up rocks and hurling them at him, hence, he was only recorded
to have said "I HAVE" because he wasn't able to finish his sentence.
This point, while it may sound very lame and weak, but in reality is
quite possible and sound!
(a)- Jesus was the foretold Messiah and the greatest and final Jewish
Prophet:
Jesus Christ was the foretold Messiah (anointed, chosen, selected).
He was the final and greatest Prophet to the Jews. That is why he is
the Messiah. A Messiah is a selected King. This means all of the
Jews' kings were Messiahs. The Messiah is also the king who will
establish the final peace on earth. He is also the Messiah because he
will inherit the earth after he defeats the anti-Christ. These points
are covered with Biblical references and analysis at:
Jesus is only the heir of GOD Almighty on planet earth; not on the
entire Universe.
Does the word "Messiah" really mean GOD? or does it even have anything
to do with GOD's Deity?
So most certainly, Jesus being the heir of GOD Almighty doesn't make
him GOD Almighty Himself, nor the son of GOD Almighty. Jesus will
only inherit the earth. It is a symbolic speech that means that he
will rule over earth. The earth will still be under the full
authority of GOD Almighty. "Son of GOD" in the original Hebrew means
servant of GOD. This is proven in the following articles:
"Son of God" literally means "Servant of God" in Hebrew. Bible agrees
with Islam, not with pagan trinity and today's wrong and twisted
translations of "Son of God".
The Bible directly claims that ANY "Son of GOD" is a "God"!
(Refutation to Jesus' being God meaning that he is GOD Almighty).
"Son of GOD" conflict between the Bible and the Noble Quran.
The definition of "Son of God" in Islam.
Son of GOD: Some Muslims' Misconception.
"Son of Man" does not mean "GOD" or "Son of GOD".
Can we trust the Son of Man?
Does calling Jesus "Son of God" prove that he is GOD?
Rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's "The Incomprehensible Nature of God and his
Son" article. Thoroughly refuting and exposing Sam Shamoun's trinity-
lies and absurdities in Proverbs 30:4 where he tried to falsely prove
trinity through it.
2- The Greek texts of John 8:58:
Continue reading:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/iam.htm
On Apr 15, 7:52 am, "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com"
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
Apr 16, 2012, 9:46:59 AM4/16/12
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On Apr 16, 8:28 am, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Below, we will see how Jesus in John 8:58 didn't say "I AM". He
rather said "I HAVE (seen Abraham before he was even born)". See the
proofs from the Greek language below!
John 8:58's deliberate mistranslation of Jesus saying "I AM" with new
evidence from the Greek language! "
8:58 [ Greek Font Size: – / + | Toggle Font ] [ View in: BYZ / TR |
"Below, we will see how Jesus in John 8:58 didn't say "I AM". He
rather said "I HAVE (seen Abraham before he was even born)". See the
proofs from the Greek language below!
John 8:58's deliberate mistranslation of Jesus saying "I AM" with new
evidence from the Greek language! "
Side-by-side | Greek Lexical Parser ]
Jesus said (5627) unto them, Verily, verily, I say (5719) unto you,
Before Abraham was (5635) , I am (5748) .
eipen (5627) autoiv Ihsouv, Amhn amhn legw (5719) umin, prin Abraam
genesqai (5635) egw eimi. (5748)
"egw eimi" is Greek for I Am so you are just wrong!
http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+8:58&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1&l=en
John 8:58 in the Peshitta - "I was" or "I am?"
"Before Abraham existed, I was!"
Thus read both the Lamsa and Murdock English translations of John 8:58
from the Syriac New Testament (the Peshitta). Paul Younan also
translated it this way, but when asked if it could also be translated
"I am," he replied:
Yes, John 8:47 [8:58] can also mean "I AM". It's just a different way
of saying it than what is used in 8:13 [8:24]. The second word, Yty0
comes from the Aramaic root ty0, which means "is, are."
Here is the Comprehensive Aramaic Lexicon entry:
)yt V1 passim there is, are
2 Syr + some . . . others
LS2 16
LS2 v: )iyt
So you see, the Aramaic root "ith" encapsulates the same linguistic
sense that a copula does... the only difference is that it's actually
spelled out in another word rather than implied as a shortened form of
the Independent Pronoun.
George Kiraz's Analytical Lexicon of the Syriac New Testament also
defines )yt as "is, are." Syriac scholar P.J. Williams in private
email told me that he would translate the last clause in John 8:58 in
the Peshita as "I am." This is also how J.W. Etheridge translated it
(The Peschito Syriac New Testament: Translated into English, 1846).
While some anti-Trinitarian apologists on the Internet have offered
Murdock and Lamsa as translations denying that ego eimi should be
translated as "I am" in John 8:58, it appears that the underlying
Aramaic may actually support the traditional translation after all.
by Robert Hommel
http://forananswer.blogspot.com/2006/10/john-858-in-peshitta-i-was-or-i-am.html
bishop
Apr 16, 2012, 4:25:44 PM4/16/12
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On Apr 14, 1:04 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:49:33 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
and if anyone is clueless that would you, since it seems now your God
is not the God that Jesus is the Son of God with. "
really the ignorant one here.
>
> > You answer to God HE does
> >not answer to YOU. One spiritual value we can see is that folks like
> >you call yourself a believer but do not do as God told you, which
> >makes you a sinner and on the way to HELL. God is the HEAD and is the
> >only HEAD as such HE tells HIS creation what to do, eat, wear, etc.
> >thousands of things, it is not for you to Question your Father, the
> >Creator about what He said this or that.
>
> duke, American - American
So it is clear that you are not a born again Christian, and also you
do not follow the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, as it and I
agree on what I posted and you seem to think is foolish or
ignorant.
Rev. R. Knapp
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:49:33 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Apr 12, 1:24 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:58:10 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
> >> But why did God have to make a law about it. And eating catfish, and drinking
> >> meat with blood in it? What spiritual value did God add to these issues?
>
> >Because God created mankind and has can tell HIS creation what to do
> >and what not to do, you have no right to question God.
>
> Ok, just more you're clueless about re your God.
So now we have your God and now My God? The here is what I did post
>
> >On Apr 12, 1:24 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:58:10 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
> >> But why did God have to make a law about it. And eating catfish, and drinking
> >> meat with blood in it? What spiritual value did God add to these issues?
>
> >Because God created mankind and has can tell HIS creation what to do
> >and what not to do, you have no right to question God.
>
> Ok, just more you're clueless about re your God.
and if anyone is clueless that would you, since it seems now your God
is not the God that Jesus is the Son of God with. "
"Because HE is the FATHER and CREATOR you belong to HIM and What HE
says to do, you are to obey. No question if you are His child you
obey, if your a fake you do not and the end is JUDGEMENT. A child is
to obey their Mother and Father, they made you as a baby, and if you
love them you obey them. How much more that would apply GOD, God
does
no answer to you, you answer to HIM, you disobey for what ever reason
shows you are NOT HIS Child and follow the ways of evil and sin like
Satan the fallen angel did and in the end is Hell not Heaven. You do
not ask why God does what God does, you obey God and then all is
well.
God had HIS reasons for saying not to do this or that, HE knows
better
and we are to hear and obey there is no other way. You do not need
to
know why, your to trust God that HE knows what is best.
Pastor R. Knapp "
>
says to do, you are to obey. No question if you are His child you
obey, if your a fake you do not and the end is JUDGEMENT. A child is
to obey their Mother and Father, they made you as a baby, and if you
love them you obey them. How much more that would apply GOD, God
does
no answer to you, you answer to HIM, you disobey for what ever reason
shows you are NOT HIS Child and follow the ways of evil and sin like
Satan the fallen angel did and in the end is Hell not Heaven. You do
not ask why God does what God does, you obey God and then all is
well.
God had HIS reasons for saying not to do this or that, HE knows
better
and we are to hear and obey there is no other way. You do not need
to
know why, your to trust God that HE knows what is best.
Pastor R. Knapp "
>
> > HE said it so
> >you just obey Him no room for disobedience.
>
> How dumb and ignorant can you get?
You post as a unsaved person that denys Christ Jesus and you are
> >you just obey Him no room for disobedience.
>
> How dumb and ignorant can you get?
really the ignorant one here.
>
> > You answer to God HE does
> >not answer to YOU. One spiritual value we can see is that folks like
> >you call yourself a believer but do not do as God told you, which
> >makes you a sinner and on the way to HELL. God is the HEAD and is the
> >only HEAD as such HE tells HIS creation what to do, eat, wear, etc.
> >thousands of things, it is not for you to Question your Father, the
> >Creator about what He said this or that.
>
> duke, American - American
do not follow the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, as it and I
agree on what I posted and you seem to think is foolish or
ignorant.
Rev. R. Knapp
bishop
Apr 16, 2012, 4:31:11 PM4/16/12
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On Apr 14, 1:05 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:58:15 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
I never heard Adolf Hitler give such orders, I am for the Jews and
have many as friends, so you statement is like a demon that is about
to get cast into Hell. Your a liar and prove it by that statement
above. Let the reader beware, Duke by his own statements show the god
he has is not God Almighty.
>
> No question if you are His child you will obey, if your a fake you do not and the end is JUDGEMENT. A child is
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:58:15 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
have many as friends, so you statement is like a demon that is about
to get cast into Hell. Your a liar and prove it by that statement
above. Let the reader beware, Duke by his own statements show the god
he has is not God Almighty.
>
> No question if you are His child you will obey, if your a fake you do not and the end is JUDGEMENT. A child is
> >to obey their Mother and Father, they made you as a baby, and if you
> >love them you obey them. How much more that would apply GOD, God does
> >no answer to you, you answer to HIM, you disobey for what ever reason
> >shows you are NOT HIS Child and follow the ways of evil and sin like
> >Satan the fallen angel did and in the end is Hell not Heaven. You do
> >not ask why God does what God does, you obey God and then all is well.
> >God had HIS reasons for saying not to do this or that, HE knows better
> >and we are to hear and obey there is no other way. You do not need to
> >know why, your to trust God that HE knows what is best.
>
> >Pastor R. Knapp
Check me out, www.pioneers-for-jesus.org
> >love them you obey them. How much more that would apply GOD, God does
> >no answer to you, you answer to HIM, you disobey for what ever reason
> >shows you are NOT HIS Child and follow the ways of evil and sin like
> >Satan the fallen angel did and in the end is Hell not Heaven. You do
> >not ask why God does what God does, you obey God and then all is well.
> >God had HIS reasons for saying not to do this or that, HE knows better
> >and we are to hear and obey there is no other way. You do not need to
> >know why, your to trust God that HE knows what is best.
>
> >Pastor R. Knapp
arah
Apr 17, 2012, 3:19:17 AM4/17/12
to
On Apr 16, 11:25 pm, bishop <rwknapp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"...now your God is not the God that Jesus is the Son of God with. "
John 20:31 ...That Jesus is the Christ the Son of God." Jn.16:3 "And
these things they will do to you because they have not known the
Father nor me." Here he is distinguishing himself as another from the
Father. Jesus separates himself from the Father in person but not in
nature.
Jn.10:30: " I and my father are one" this is not a numerical one,
Jesus is not saying he is the father. they are not one person but in
nature they are a united one. It actually reads we are one in Greek
the first person plural esmen . Examining his claim further "I and my
Father are one." The Jews pick up stones because they understood this
as blasphemy in vs. 36 Jesus interprets what he meant by saying
because I said, "I am the Son of God." There is a very good reason for
this because…. Contrary to those who claim the Son of God means less
than God it actually affirmed his deity.
In Jn.20:17 Jesus said "I am ascending to my Father and your Father to
my God and your God." Anti-Trinitarians claim since Jesus had a God
over him he could not also be God. What we are not saying is that he
is the Father or the Spirit. Coming in the servant role and as a man
he was submissive to the Father as a Son. Notice he makes a
distinction from "my Father and your Father" not saying our Father.
The same is applied to " my God and your God." As a man he
acknowledged the Father as "my God" .We are unable to say this in the
same manner as he did. God is his Father from eternity past, he being
the Son of eternal generation. Thomas bowed before Jesus saying, he is
his God and his Lord, Jesus could not say the Father was his Lord in
the way man does.
Jn.11:41-43 Jesus lifts his eyes toward heaven and prays, " I thank
you that you heard me, and I know that you always hear me." We see
consistently he is praying toward heaven just like all the saints in
the O.T.. So why pray if your God. Because he is dependent on God in
his lowered state and he is giving us the perfect example of our
having a relationship with the Father. The Son was instructed by the
Father as his God, since he decided not to use his position
independently. Jesus never referred to his Father as "our Father" in
prayer together with others. Father was a term for the Jews who were
in covenant with God . Jesus who being God in nature was divine and
equal in all respects to God could not call God his Father as we do,
being adopted children. God was his Father in a different sense than
ours, in that they were united together from eternity. So he makes a
distinction of "my" and "our". " "When Christ prayed to the Father,
you have the Son on earth the Father in heaven. this is not separation
but divine disposition. now we know that God is within the depth's and
exists everywhere, but in might and power, the Son being, indivisible
from the Father is everywhere with him, yet in the economy, the Father
willed that the Son should be found on the Earth, himself ( the
Father ) in heaven." (Tetullian.) What he is explaining is that the
omni-presence of God is everywhere yet the location of his persons are
in different areas. ( Jn.11:41-42,12:28, 17:1-26)
Mt. 26:39-42 In Gethsamane he prays three times to the Father in doing
his will. Why does he ask for the Father to let this cup pass if he is
God, Isn’t this like asking himself? Jesus' ( 2nd person of God ) was
God communing with God the Father (1st person of God ). Jesus is
struggling over the soon and coming separation he will experience with
the Father. He is asking if there be another way so he will not
experience this. Otherwise he has his own human will that is not
submitted to God and he is sinning. The concept the scriptures portray
of the crucifixion is not that God died but that he was separated
spiritually and died in the flesh . In Gethsamane it was the cup that
Jesus asked to be removed. If he was praying that he would not have to
experience physical death he would be rejecting the very reason he
came. His obedience is shown as in Phil.2 says even to the death on
the cross. He would not be praying for the very purpose of his coming
to be removed.
Jesus is called the Son over 200 times throughout the N.T. The Father
is referred to as distinct from the Son over 200 times. Over 50 times
Jesus the Son and the Father are mentioned in the same verse. Yet we
find Paul’s greeting as grace and peace from both God the Father and
the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus identifies himself as the Son of God all
throughout the Bible. He is always put on equal status with the Father
being able to bestow grace to the believer. The only time he is not
equal is by position, never in nature.
Continue reading:
http://www.letusreason.org/Trin6.htm
:
> So it is clear that you are not a born again Christian, and also you
> do not follow the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, as it and I
> agree on what I posted and you seem to think is foolish or
> ignorant.
>
> Rev. R. Knapp
>
>
>
>
>
> > *****
> > 1 John 3:4-6
> > 4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact,
> > sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he
> > appeared so that he might take away our sins.
> > And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in
> > him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to
> > sin has either seen him or known him.
> > *****- Hide quoted text -
"...now your God is not the God that Jesus is the Son of God with. "
"Because HE is the FATHER and CREATOR you belong to HIM >
If your above statement is correct please explain me the followings
John 20:31 ...That Jesus is the Christ the Son of God." Jn.16:3 "And
these things they will do to you because they have not known the
Father nor me." Here he is distinguishing himself as another from the
Father. Jesus separates himself from the Father in person but not in
nature.
Jn.10:30: " I and my father are one" this is not a numerical one,
Jesus is not saying he is the father. they are not one person but in
nature they are a united one. It actually reads we are one in Greek
the first person plural esmen . Examining his claim further "I and my
Father are one." The Jews pick up stones because they understood this
as blasphemy in vs. 36 Jesus interprets what he meant by saying
because I said, "I am the Son of God." There is a very good reason for
this because…. Contrary to those who claim the Son of God means less
than God it actually affirmed his deity.
In Jn.20:17 Jesus said "I am ascending to my Father and your Father to
my God and your God." Anti-Trinitarians claim since Jesus had a God
over him he could not also be God. What we are not saying is that he
is the Father or the Spirit. Coming in the servant role and as a man
he was submissive to the Father as a Son. Notice he makes a
distinction from "my Father and your Father" not saying our Father.
The same is applied to " my God and your God." As a man he
acknowledged the Father as "my God" .We are unable to say this in the
same manner as he did. God is his Father from eternity past, he being
the Son of eternal generation. Thomas bowed before Jesus saying, he is
his God and his Lord, Jesus could not say the Father was his Lord in
the way man does.
Jn.11:41-43 Jesus lifts his eyes toward heaven and prays, " I thank
you that you heard me, and I know that you always hear me." We see
consistently he is praying toward heaven just like all the saints in
the O.T.. So why pray if your God. Because he is dependent on God in
his lowered state and he is giving us the perfect example of our
having a relationship with the Father. The Son was instructed by the
Father as his God, since he decided not to use his position
independently. Jesus never referred to his Father as "our Father" in
prayer together with others. Father was a term for the Jews who were
in covenant with God . Jesus who being God in nature was divine and
equal in all respects to God could not call God his Father as we do,
being adopted children. God was his Father in a different sense than
ours, in that they were united together from eternity. So he makes a
distinction of "my" and "our". " "When Christ prayed to the Father,
you have the Son on earth the Father in heaven. this is not separation
but divine disposition. now we know that God is within the depth's and
exists everywhere, but in might and power, the Son being, indivisible
from the Father is everywhere with him, yet in the economy, the Father
willed that the Son should be found on the Earth, himself ( the
Father ) in heaven." (Tetullian.) What he is explaining is that the
omni-presence of God is everywhere yet the location of his persons are
in different areas. ( Jn.11:41-42,12:28, 17:1-26)
Mt. 26:39-42 In Gethsamane he prays three times to the Father in doing
his will. Why does he ask for the Father to let this cup pass if he is
God, Isn’t this like asking himself? Jesus' ( 2nd person of God ) was
God communing with God the Father (1st person of God ). Jesus is
struggling over the soon and coming separation he will experience with
the Father. He is asking if there be another way so he will not
experience this. Otherwise he has his own human will that is not
submitted to God and he is sinning. The concept the scriptures portray
of the crucifixion is not that God died but that he was separated
spiritually and died in the flesh . In Gethsamane it was the cup that
Jesus asked to be removed. If he was praying that he would not have to
experience physical death he would be rejecting the very reason he
came. His obedience is shown as in Phil.2 says even to the death on
the cross. He would not be praying for the very purpose of his coming
to be removed.
Jesus is called the Son over 200 times throughout the N.T. The Father
is referred to as distinct from the Son over 200 times. Over 50 times
Jesus the Son and the Father are mentioned in the same verse. Yet we
find Paul’s greeting as grace and peace from both God the Father and
the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus identifies himself as the Son of God all
throughout the Bible. He is always put on equal status with the Father
being able to bestow grace to the believer. The only time he is not
equal is by position, never in nature.
Continue reading:
http://www.letusreason.org/Trin6.htm
:
> So it is clear that you are not a born again Christian, and also you
> do not follow the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, as it and I
> agree on what I posted and you seem to think is foolish or
> ignorant.
>
> Rev. R. Knapp
>
>
>
>
>
> > *****
> > 1 John 3:4-6
> > 4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact,
> > sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he
> > appeared so that he might take away our sins.
> > And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in
> > him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to
> > sin has either seen him or known him.
duke
Apr 17, 2012, 8:23:55 AM4/17/12
to
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:25:44 -0700 (PDT), bishop <rwkna...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Apr 14, 1:04 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:49:33 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Apr 12, 1:24 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:58:10 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>>
>> >> But why did God have to make a law about it. And eating catfish, and drinking
>> >> meat with blood in it? What spiritual value did God add to these issues?
>>
>> >Because God created mankind and has can tell HIS creation what to do
>> >and what not to do, you have no right to question God.
>>
>> Ok, just more you're clueless about re your God.
>
>So now we have your God and now My God?
No, actually, there is only one almighty God. I'm surprised you think in terms
>On Apr 14, 1:04 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:49:33 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Apr 12, 1:24 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:58:10 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>>
>> >> But why did God have to make a law about it. And eating catfish, and drinking
>> >> meat with blood in it? What spiritual value did God add to these issues?
>>
>> >Because God created mankind and has can tell HIS creation what to do
>> >and what not to do, you have no right to question God.
>>
>> Ok, just more you're clueless about re your God.
>
>So now we have your God and now My God?
of 2 or more.
> The here is what I did post
>and if anyone is clueless that would you, since it seems now your God
>is not the God that Jesus is the Son of God with. "
>"Because HE is the FATHER and CREATOR you belong to HIM and What HE
>says to do, you are to obey.
Or maybe it wasn't God that said that but man.
>God had HIS reasons for saying not to do this or that, HE knows
>better
>and we are to hear and obey there is no other way. You do not need
>to
>know why, your to trust God that HE knows what is best.
eating pork and catfish and drink blood.
You're supposed to be a leader of your flock, but you are clueless.
duke, American - American
duke
Apr 17, 2012, 8:25:49 AM4/17/12
to
> Your a liar and prove it by that statement
>above. Let the reader beware, Duke by his own statements show the god
>he has is not God Almighty.
otherwise?
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
Apr 17, 2012, 11:34:17 AM4/17/12
to
Ex 3:14 - And God said unto Moses,
I AM THAT I AM: and he said,
Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,
I AM hath sent me unto you.
Joh 8:58 - Jesus said unto them,
Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Before Abraham was,
I am.
Joh 20:28 -And Thomas answered and said unto him,
My Lord and my God.
Meditate on:
33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead,
and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood.
34. Who, although He is God and man,
yet He is not two, but one Christ.
http://www.ccel.org/creeds/athanasian.creed.html
I AM THAT I AM: and he said,
Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,
I AM hath sent me unto you.
Joh 8:58 - Jesus said unto them,
Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Before Abraham was,
I am.
Joh 20:28 -And Thomas answered and said unto him,
My Lord and my God.
Meditate on:
33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead,
and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood.
34. Who, although He is God and man,
yet He is not two, but one Christ.
arah
Apr 18, 2012, 3:33:51 PM4/18/12
to
The 59th verse of the sura The Family of Imran, points to a similarity
between Adam and Jesus. There is no other comparison like that between
any other two prophets in the Quran. How many times are these
prophets’ names used in the Quran? In equal number, exactly 25 time
each. The verse that points to the similarity between Jesus and Adam
is given below:
For God the likeness of Jesus is as that of Adam whom he created out
of dust, then said to him “Be”, and he was. (3:59)
The word Number of occurrence
Adam 25
Jesus 25
Some people declare Jesus incarnation of God as he was created without
a father in total disregard of the omnipotence of God. God gives Adam
as an example, since he was created both without father and mother. By
doing so, God shows how illogical it is to attribute to Jesus divine
qualifications. God, while referring to the similarity between Adam
and Jesus, also supports this statement with numerical miracles using
both names 25 times each in the Quran. The mathematical miracle is not
limited to this alone.
It is the 59th verse of The Family of Imran, that points out the
relation between Adam and Jesus. It is the only verse in which these
two names are mentioned together. In this verse, both these two words
are used 7th time, from the beginning of the Quran. On the other hand,
if we count from the end of the Quran, it is in this verse that these
words are used 19th time.
And very surprisingly, these words’ 19th uses are in the sura Mary
which is the 19th sura of the Quran. These two names are used only
once in the sura Mary and these uses are the 19th repetition of these
words in the Quran.
The number of the verses between these two words in the sura Mary is
also interesting. The word Jesus is used in 34th verse of the sura
Mary and the word Adam is used in the 58th verse. If we start to count
from the 34th verse, the 58th verse is the 25th verse. And 25 is the
frequency these two words are used in the Quran.
We want to present another interesting point. In this sura (Mary),
which talks about Jesus, Mary, is also mentioned. The number of this
verse is 34. Make a guess. How many times the word Mary is used in the
Quran? Exactly 34 times. The verse is given below:
This was Jesus, son of Mary: A true account they contend about.
(19:34)
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/adam-and-jesus/
On Apr 12, 2:59 am, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
> In article <tttbo7thkk41nrbb4gljsfk71k75goc...@4ax.com>, Alan Ferris
>
> <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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