Atheism On The Rise Around The World

[Mitchell Holman]

Atheism on the rise around the globe
Christian Science Monitor
August 15, 2012

Atheism is on the rise in the United States and
elsewhere while religiosity is declining, according
to a new worldwide poll. “The Global Index of
Religiosity and Atheism,” conducted by WIN-Gallup
International headquartered in Switzerland, found
that the number of Americans who say they are
"religious" dropped from 73 percent in 2005 – when
the poll was last conducted – to 60 percent. Those
who said they were “convinced” atheists rose from
1 to 5 percent. And 33 percent of the people polled
said that they don’t consider themselves as a
"religious person."

http://tinyurl.com/8fsgtkl

[Patrick]

"Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message

> Atheism on the rise around the globe

Who cares?

[W.T.S.]

In article <H6mdnWmh-_IV6KrN...@posted.localnet>,
bark...@erinot.com says...

> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
>
> > Atheism on the rise around the globe
>
> Who cares?

Normal, decent, human beings care. We want the globe rid of religious
filth. Every bit of progress is good news!
>

Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>
http://tinyurl.com/c4thugl
>
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs, die like rats!
>
Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.
>
http://www.imnotsorry.net
>
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17gbnyv0yzhevjpg/original.jpg
>
http://tinyurl.com/7q2ft38
>
http://tinyurl.com/7hk9gk8

[Mike Lovell]

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On 2012-08-24, Patrick <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>> Atheism on the rise around the globe
>
> Who cares?

You might when your family drops theism. Your more younger relatives.

Absolutely inevitable.

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[Syd M.]

Sorry you can't face your cult dying out, but them's the breaks, loser.

[Dino]

It amazes me just how foolish you atheist are, especially with the
evidence right in front of you.
When the end comes, and you are facing your maker...you might want to
remember you
calling others a "loser". Because when the gates of hell open, and you
are escorted through those gates...

that word might echo in your mind. Good luck to ya!

Prophecy being fulfilled, and atheism on the rise...is part of the
prophecy that must happen. That's just how stupid you are to be
celebrating right now.
Psalm 83 ... happening right now, right in front of your nose.

In the end though...the atheist will not be celebrating. Enjoy now
though.

[Free Lunch]

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:31:37 -0700 (PDT), Dino <what...@homemail.com>
wrote in alt.atheism:

>On Aug 24, 4:00 pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 24, 8:37 am, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>
>> > "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
>> > > Atheism on the rise around the globe
>>
>> > Who cares?
>>
>> Sorry you can't face your cult dying out, but them's the breaks, loser.
>
>It amazes me just how foolish you atheist are, especially with the
>evidence right in front of you.

The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
doctrine.

>When the end comes, and you are facing your maker...you might want to
>remember you calling others a "loser". Because when the gates of hell
>open, and you are escorted through those gates...

Why do you think that you won't be the one going to hell for trying to
use God as your own personal, dishonest sockpuppet?

>that word might echo in your mind. Good luck to ya!
>
>Prophecy being fulfilled, and atheism on the rise...is part of the
>prophecy that must happen. That's just how stupid you are to be
>celebrating right now.

One of the great things about the Bible is that every thing that happens
can be claimed to be a "fulfillment" of some prophecy or other. The
Bible is hopelessly vague that way.

>Psalm 83 ... happening right now, right in front of your nose.
>
>In the end though...the atheist will not be celebrating. Enjoy now
>though.

You preach lies and blame God for the lies you preach.

[W.T.S.]

In article <78695c24-f6ca-4003-9533-
ececd1...@a19g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, what...@homemail.com
says...

> On Aug 24, 4:00 pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 24, 8:37 am, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
> > > > Atheism on the rise around the globe
> >
> > > Who cares?
> >
> > Sorry you can't face your cult dying out, but them's the breaks, loser.
>

> It amazes me just how foolish we theists are, especially with the
> evidence right in front of us.
Very true. You destroy your own lives, and the lives of countless
others, in the name of pure, lying bull shit and myths invented by
religious con artists. You can still save yourselves, and other, by
renouncing and repudiating religious belief. Act now, before it's too
late.

[Mike Lovell]

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On 2012-08-24, Dino <what...@homemail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 24, 4:00 pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 24, 8:37 am, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>
>> > "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
>> > > Atheism on the rise around the globe
>>
>> > Who cares?
>>
>> Sorry you can't face your cult dying out, but them's the breaks, loser.
>
> It amazes me just how foolish you atheist are, especially with the
> evidence right in front of you.

What evidence is that?

Muslims say the same, Hindus say the same, and of course tons of
Christian trolls say the same.

Repeat for the other hundreds of religions.


You can't all be right, but you can all be wrong ;-)

> [...]

I'd start enjoying your life if I were you, it's the only one you have.


Threatening atheists with hell is pretty much the same as saying:

"I'm a retard"

So well done on that admission.

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[Patrick]

"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote

> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
> doctrine.

What evidence?
Do we have to go over all this again?
You have no stinking evidence.
You don't know what evidence is.

> One of the great things about the Bible is that every thing that happens
> can be claimed to be a "fulfillment" of some prophecy or other. The
> Bible is hopelessly vague that way.

Hey, Nostradamus followers make that claim.
Not Catholics.

[Andrew W]

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in message
news:98qdnUIf2_pVnaXN...@posted.localnet

> "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
>> doctrine.
>
> What evidence?
> Do we have to go over all this again?
> You have no stinking evidence.
> You don't know what evidence is.
>

Says someone who only deals in faith and follows what a big religion says.

>
>
>> One of the great things about the Bible is that every thing that
>> happens can be claimed to be a "fulfillment" of some prophecy or
>> other. The Bible is hopelessly vague that way.
>
> Hey, Nostradamus followers make that claim.
> Not Catholics.
>

1/ There is no such thing as "Nostradamus followers". He wasn't a religious
figure/leader.
2/ Nostradamus studiers (what few there are) don't have anything to do with
the Bible.

Conclusion: Patrick is a dolt.


--
If you find from your own experience that something is a fact and it
contradicts what some authority has written down, then you must abandon
the authority and base your reasoning on your own findings. ~Leonardo
da Vinci

Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory. ~Leonardo da Vinci

[Fred]

"Syd M." <pauldav...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Religion will never die out. :( Never. Even if there were a cure
there would be hold outs every generation who would refuse it.

---
"Fred" is my Christian name.

[Fred]

Dino <what...@homemail.com> wrote:
>On Aug 24, 4:00=A0pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> On Aug 24, 8:37=A0am, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> Atheism on the rise around the globe
>>> Who cares?
>> Sorry you can't face your cult dying out, but them's the breaks, loser.
>It amazes me just how foolish you atheist are, especially with the
>evidence right in front of you.

Ah, good, been waiting for that evidence. Trott it out here, rightard,
and let's finally get to see it. Right here:

[Mitchell Holman]

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in news:98qdnUIf2_pVnaXNnZ2dnUVZ_o-
dn...@posted.localnet:

> "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
>> doctrine.
>
> What evidence?
> Do we have to go over all this again?
> You have no stinking evidence.
> You don't know what evidence is.

Someone who believes in talking snakes and
dragons and unicorns and demonic possession dares
to demand "evidence" from others?

Oh, the irony.............

[duke]

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:40:17 -0500, Mike Lovell <dev....@b0h0.com> wrote:

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>On 2012-08-24, Dino <what...@homemail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 24, 4:00 pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Aug 24, 8:37 am, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>> > > Atheism on the rise around the globe
>>>
>>> > Who cares?
>>>
>>> Sorry you can't face your cult dying out, but them's the breaks, loser.
>>
>> It amazes me just how foolish you atheist are, especially with the
>> evidence right in front of you.
>
>What evidence is that?
>
>Muslims say the same, Hindus say the same, and of course tons of
>Christian trolls say the same.
>
>Repeat for the other hundreds of religions.
>
>
>You can't all be right, but you can all be wrong ;-)

But never more wrong than an atheist wannabe that worships himself.

The dukester, American - American
********************************************
A vote for obama is a vote for the end of
democracy in America as we know it. Let the
rolling thunder guide your decision at the
ballot box to put an end to Imperial Obama.
May God bless America.
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[Free Lunch]

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 18:31:38 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
wrote in alt.atheism:

>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
>> doctrine.
>
>What evidence?

Physical evidence about life, the earth and history. You forget that the
stories in the Bible are most generally untrue or greatly exaggerated.

>Do we have to go over all this again?

What's to go over? Catholics know that the Bible contains claims that
are false, so they generally admit it and use those stories as allegory
or other teaching tools.

>You have no stinking evidence.
>You don't know what evidence is.
>

You know I do.

[Patrick]

"Andrew W" <remove_...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:k192v5$k5u$1...@dont-email.me...

> "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in message
> news:98qdnUIf2_pVnaXN...@posted.localnet
>> "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
>>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
>>> doctrine.
>>
>> What evidence?
>> Do we have to go over all this again?
>> You have no stinking evidence.
>> You don't know what evidence is.
>
> Says someone who only deals in faith and follows what a big religion says.

Do you need evidence that I follow my beliefs?

>>> One of the great things about the Bible is that every thing that
>>> happens can be claimed to be a "fulfillment" of some prophecy or
>>> other. The Bible is hopelessly vague that way.
>>
>> Hey, Nostradamus followers make that claim.
>> Not Catholics.
>>
>
> 1/ There is no such thing as "Nostradamus followers". He wasn't a
> religious figure/leader.
> 2/ Nostradamus studiers (what few there are) don't have anything to do
> with the Bible.
> Conclusion: Patrick is a dolt.

Obviously you don't know that many people believed that
Nostradum could predict events. Many folks even have
written books about how good a predicter he was.
Who is the real dolt here?

[Patrick]

"Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA0B9D7DB96345...@216.196.121.131...

Have I ever talked about dragons or unicorns?
Now.... demonic possession is another story.
How are you and yer devil pal getting along?

[Patrick]

"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:jvjh38pmmbd7c5ig1...@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 18:31:38 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
> wrote in alt.atheism:
>
>>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
>>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
>>> doctrine.
>>
>>What evidence?
>
> Physical evidence about life, the earth and history. You forget that the
> stories in the Bible are most generally untrue or greatly exaggerated.
>

The Bible is mostly history. Do you believe in history?

>>Do we have to go over all this again?

[Mitchell Holman]

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in
news:C5Sdnd-oKPIiRaXN...@posted.localnet:

> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
> news:XnsA0B9D7DB96345...@216.196.121.131...
>> "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in
>> news:98qdnUIf2_pVnaXNnZ2dnUVZ_o- dn...@posted.localnet:
>>
>>> "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
>>>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
>>>> doctrine.
>>>
>>> What evidence?
>>> Do we have to go over all this again?
>>> You have no stinking evidence.
>>> You don't know what evidence is.
>>
>> Someone who believes in talking snakes and
>> dragons and unicorns and demonic possession dares
>> to demand "evidence" from others?
>> Oh, the irony.............
>
> Have I ever talked about dragons or unicorns?

Your "inerrant" Bible does.

> Now.... demonic possession is another story.

Yes, we know.




Catholic church holds exorcism conference

BALTIMORE, Nov. 13 (UPI) -- More than 100 Roman
Catholic priests and bishops have gathered in
Baltimore for a conference on exorcism. The two-
day conference, which is not open to the public
or news media, was organized by Bishop Thomas
Paprocki of Springfield, Ill., The New York
Times reported Friday. Paprocki said the main
goal of the conference is to help priests and
bishops decide when exorcism is appropriate.

"Not everyone who thinks they need an exorcism
actually does need one," Paprocki said. "It's
only used in those cases where the devil is
involved in an extraordinary sort of way in
terms of actually being in possession of the
person. But it's rare, it's extraordinary, so
the use of exorcism is also rare and extraordinary.
But we have to be prepared." The ritual of exorcism
is founded on Jesus' casting out of demons in the
Gospels.
http://tinyurl.com/33s2g8h

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:54:09 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>

wrote in alt.atheism:

>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>news:jvjh38pmmbd7c5ig1...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 18:31:38 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>
>>>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
>>>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
>>>> doctrine.
>>>
>>>What evidence?
>>
>> Physical evidence about life, the earth and history. You forget that the
>> stories in the Bible are most generally untrue or greatly exaggerated.
>>
>
>The Bible is mostly history. Do you believe in history?

The Bible stories may have been inspired by history at times, but they
are no more reliable than Homer as history.

[Patrick]

"Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA0BA5CC7EB95C...@216.196.121.131...

> "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in
> news:C5Sdnd-oKPIiRaXN...@posted.localnet:
>
>> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:XnsA0B9D7DB96345...@216.196.121.131...
>>> "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in
>>> news:98qdnUIf2_pVnaXNnZ2dnUVZ_o- dn...@posted.localnet:
>>>
>>>> "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
>>>>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
>>>>> doctrine.
>>>>
>>>> What evidence?
>>>> Do we have to go over all this again?
>>>> You have no stinking evidence.
>>>> You don't know what evidence is.
>>>
>>> Someone who believes in talking snakes and
>>> dragons and unicorns and demonic possession dares
>>> to demand "evidence" from others?
>>> Oh, the irony.............
>>
>> Have I ever talked about dragons or unicorns?
>
>
> Your "inerrant" Bible does.

I don't have an inerrant bible.
And, where might it mention unicorns?
Or...... are you just making up shit again?

>> Now.... demonic possession is another story.
>
> Yes, we know.

[Patrick]

"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message

news:tdph38d6kas6e4vn3...@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:54:09 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
> wrote in alt.atheism:
>
>>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>>news:jvjh38pmmbd7c5ig1...@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 18:31:38 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>
>>>>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
>>>>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
>>>>> doctrine.
>>>>
>>>>What evidence?
>>>
>>> Physical evidence about life, the earth and history. You forget that the
>>> stories in the Bible are most generally untrue or greatly exaggerated.
>>>
>>
>>The Bible is mostly history. Do you believe in history?
>
> The Bible stories may have been inspired by history at times, but they
> are no more reliable than Homer as history.

You don't believe that Homer existed?

[Mitchell Holman]

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in
news:tbWdneJeQObmm6TN...@posted.localnet:

> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
> news:XnsA0BA5CC7EB95C...@216.196.121.131...
>> "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in
>> news:C5Sdnd-oKPIiRaXN...@posted.localnet:
>>
>>> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:XnsA0B9D7DB96345...@216.196.121.131...
>>>> "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in
>>>> news:98qdnUIf2_pVnaXNnZ2dnUVZ_o- dn...@posted.localnet:
>>>>
>>>>> "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
>>>>>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
>>>>>> doctrine.
>>>>>
>>>>> What evidence?
>>>>> Do we have to go over all this again?
>>>>> You have no stinking evidence.
>>>>> You don't know what evidence is.
>>>>
>>>> Someone who believes in talking snakes and
>>>> dragons and unicorns and demonic possession dares
>>>> to demand "evidence" from others?
>>>> Oh, the irony.............
>>>
>>> Have I ever talked about dragons or unicorns?
>>
>>
>> Your "inerrant" Bible does.
>
> I don't have an inerrant bible.
> And, where might it mention unicorns?

What, you haven't read your Bible?

Typical Christian...........





Psalm 22:21
Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast
heard me from the horns of the unicorns.


Psalm 29:6

He maketh them also to skip like a calf;
Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.


Job 39:9
Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee,
or abide by thy crib?


Deuteronomy 33:17
His glory is like the firstling of his bullock,
and his horns are like the horns of unicorns.

[walksalone]

Dino <what...@homemail.com> wrote in news:78695c24-f6ca-4003-9533-
ececd1...@a19g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:

> On Aug 24, 4:00�pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 24, 8:37�am, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>
>> > "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
>> > > Atheism on the rise around the globe

Followup set to AA.

>> > Who cares?
>>
>> Sorry you can't face your cult dying out, but them's the breaks, loser.
>
> It amazes me just how foolish you atheist are, especially with the
> evidence right in front of you.

Evidence of your fears are not in question. Evidence for your gods. one of
which was a victim of apotheosis in ca 3245 Gr., iks anothjer matter/

Holy books? Not even. What most bleaters are totally unaware of is that
every book in the Hebrew Bible was a propaganda piece. They will never
understand that for they can't do the research.
The Greek Testaments with their unknown authors? Written for specific
audiences & not a cannon until the council of Nicea.
Or do you deny the Gospel pf Peter as being a real Gospel? Sarly xians
didn't, but you follow the catholic model, so you deny the word of god.

> When the end comes, and you are facing your maker...you might want to
> remember you

Threats? But really, that is all you have. & you are proud of it.
IIRC, xianity did not have a hell until after Dante.

> calling others a "loser". Because when the gates of hell open, and you
> are escorted through those gates...

Dream on. But don't forget to change your underwear, if any, & thje
sheets.

> that word might echo in your mind. Good luck to ya!

I will be dead, as will you. I just hope that you are mentaly alert enough
to realise how much of your life you wasted. But like me, you won't be.

> Prophecy being fulfilled, and atheism on the rise...is part of the
> prophecy that must happen. That's just how stupid you are to be
> celebrating right now.

All Hebrew prophesys were meant as real time, & all have failed.

> Psalm 83 ... happening right now, right in front of your nose.

83:1 A Song, a Psalm of Asaph. That one? Israel is not the feifdom in
that Psalm, as Judea was never a part if Israel. Not my personal view, the
view of History based on disciplines started by xians to prove the Hebrew
Bible correct. None have.


Personally, I prefer Psalms 82.
82:1 A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of God; in the
midst of the judges He judgeth:
82:2 'How long will ye judge unjustly, and respect the persons of the
wicked? Selah
82:3 Judge the poor and fatherless; do justice to the afflicted and
destitute.
82:4 Rescue the poor and needy; deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.
82:5 They know not, neither do they understand; they go about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are moved.
82:6 I said: Ye are godlike beings, and all of you sons of the Most High.
82:7 Nevertheless ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the
princes.'
82:8 Arise, O God, judge the earth; for Thou shalt possess all nations.

Along with this one.

Deuteronomy 32:8-9

When the Most High (Elyon) allotted peoples for inheritance,
When He divided up humanity,
He fixed the boundaries for peoples,
According to the number of the divine sons;
For Yahweh's portion is his people,
Jacob His own inheritance.

> In the end though...the atheist will not be celebrating. Enjoy now
> though.

No, like you, they will be dead. Unlike you they will not leave a legacy
of fear & adoration of a killer they are afraid is real.

[1]

walksalone who has met xians who understand how to read in context. &
knows none that do.
After all, that would mean they would have to learn the actual history of
the region, who the elite were, & why the claims were made. Not in this
lifetime with regularity.

When was Judea actually founded?
Current evidence indicates the Hellenistic period.
When was the Hebrew Bible written.
Not before the Babylonian vacation was interruped.
Or so the evidence indicates.

The following is not recommended for Dino & those with his problem

The Invention OIf The Jewish People.
Shlomo Sand
ISBN 978-1-84467-623-1

excerpt pg. 110
The 1967 war opened fresh perspectives for Israeli archaeological research.
It liad hitherto been confined to digging within the Green Line boundaries,
but now the conquest of the West Bank opened wide spaces with numerous
sites waiting to be explored in the heart of biblical Judea and, of course,
around Jerusalem. International law prohibited Israeli archaeologists from
excavating in the occupied territories and carrying away the ancient
findings, but this was the ancient homeland�and who would presume to
object?
At first the euphoria of the victors in the war for the land blended with
the exhilation of those digging under it. A large part of the Israeli
intelligentsia had become addicted to the sweet dream of the great Land of
IsraeL Among them were many archaeologists who thought that their finest
hour had come Once and for all, they would fuse the ancient nation with its
historical homeland, thereby proving the truth of the text. But as their
investigations progressed, the elation that had filled Aharon,and his
colleagues began to wane. Excavations in the central highlands, Mount
Manaasseh and Mount Ephraim, around Jerusalem and Mount Judah, uncovered
more and more finds that heightened concerns and questions that had arisen
earlier in sites within the borders of the State of Israel. Biblical
archaeology; which had been an enlisted instnment of the nationalist
ideology from 1948 to 1967, began to show symptoms of unease. More than
twenty years would pass before the first discoveries were placed before the
general public and the first cracks appeared in the consensus of the
dominant scholarly culture. For the first cracks appeared in the consensus
of the dominant scholarly culture. For exploring the past and in the
national mood within Israel.

[Patrick]

"Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA0BA7D3B28EB9...@216.196.121.131...

> Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.\

Two important features of the psalms deserve special notice. First, the
majority were composed originally precisely for liturgical worship. This is
shown by the frequent indication of liturgical leaders interacting with the
community (e.g., Psalm 118:1-4). Secondly, they follow certain distinct
patterns or literary forms. Thus, the hymn is a song of praise, in which a
community is urged joyfully to sing out the praise of God. Various reasons
are given for this praise (often introduced by "for" or "because"): the
divine work of creation and sustenance. Another type of psalm is similar to
the hymn: the thanksgiving psalm. There are more psalms of lament than of
any other type. They may be individual (e.g., Psa 3-7; 22) or communal
(e.g., Psa 44). Although they usually begin with a cry for help, they
develop in various ways. The description of the distress is couched in the
broad imagery typical of the Bible (one is in Sheol, the Pit, or is
afflicted by enemies or wild beasts, etc.) - in such a way that one cannot
pinpoint the exact nature of the psalmist's plight. However, Psa 51 (cf also
Psa 130) seems to refer clearly to deliverance from sin. Several laments end
on a note of certainty that the Lord has heard the prayer (cf. Psa 7, but
contrast Psa 88), and the Psalter has been characterized as a movement from
lament to praise. If this is somewhat of an exaggeration, it serves at least
to emphasize the frequent expressions of trust which characterize the
lament. In some cases it would seem as if the theme of trust has been lifted
out to form a literary type all its own; cf. Psa 23, 62, 91. It has been
rightly said that the psalms are "a school of prayer." They not only provide
us with models to follow, but inspire us to voice our own deepest feelings
and aspirations.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__PFS.HTM

> Job 39:9
> Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee,
> or abide by thy crib?

9 Will the wild ox consent to serve you, and to pass the nights by your
manger?

I don see no stinkin unicorn.......

> Deuteronomy 33:17
> His glory is like the firstling of his bullock,
> and his horns are like the horns of unicorns.

17 The majestic bull, his father's first-born, whose horns are those of the
wild ox With which to gore the nations, even those at the ends of the
earth." (These are the myriads of Ephraim, and these the thousands of
Manasseh.)

I don see no stinkin unicorn.......

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:08:51 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>

wrote in alt.atheism:

>
>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>news:tdph38d6kas6e4vn3...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:54:09 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>
>>>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>>>news:jvjh38pmmbd7c5ig1...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 18:31:38 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>
>>>>>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
>>>>>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
>>>>>> doctrine.
>>>>>
>>>>>What evidence?
>>>>
>>>> Physical evidence about life, the earth and history. You forget that the
>>>> stories in the Bible are most generally untrue or greatly exaggerated.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The Bible is mostly history. Do you believe in history?
>>
>> The Bible stories may have been inspired by history at times, but they
>> are no more reliable than Homer as history.
>
>You don't believe that Homer existed?
>

Anyone who is familiar with English knows that _Homer_, in this context,
refers to the writings attributed to the possibly mythical blind poet.
The Iliad and Odyssey do indeed exist. I take your attempt to avoid the
actual facts as clear knowledge on your part that the stories in the
Bible are overwhelmingly fiction.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <tbWdneJeQObmm6TN...@posted.localnet>,

Why don't these idiots know the bible they claim to revere so highly.

--
JD

"the lybian lier"

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <tuudnah-063pRaXN...@posted.localnet>,

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:

> "Andrew W" <remove_...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:k192v5$k5u$1...@dont-email.me...
> > "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in message
> > news:98qdnUIf2_pVnaXN...@posted.localnet
> >> "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
> >>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
> >>> doctrine.
> >>
> >> What evidence?
> >> Do we have to go over all this again?
> >> You have no stinking evidence.
> >> You don't know what evidence is.
> >
> > Says someone who only deals in faith and follows what a big religion says.
>
> Do you need evidence that I follow my beliefs?

We know you don't.

You're supposed to be humble and respectful. Instead, you are prideful
and arrogant. Big no no there. I advise you to run to confession and
learn what acts of contrition you must do to expiate your guilt for that
sin of pride.

[Andrew W]

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in message

news:tuudnah-063pRaXN...@posted.localnet

> "Andrew W" <remove_...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:k192v5$k5u$1...@dont-email.me...
>> "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in message
>> news:98qdnUIf2_pVnaXN...@posted.localnet
>>> "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
>>>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
>>>> doctrine.
>>>
>>> What evidence?
>>> Do we have to go over all this again?
>>> You have no stinking evidence.
>>> You don't know what evidence is.
>>
>> Says someone who only deals in faith and follows what a big religion
>> says.
>
> Do you need evidence that I follow my beliefs?
>

Lol. Funny man.

>
>>>> One of the great things about the Bible is that every thing that
>>>> happens can be claimed to be a "fulfillment" of some prophecy or
>>>> other. The Bible is hopelessly vague that way.
>>>
>>> Hey, Nostradamus followers make that claim.
>>> Not Catholics.
>>>
>>
>> 1/ There is no such thing as "Nostradamus followers". He wasn't a
>> religious figure/leader.
>> 2/ Nostradamus studiers (what few there are) don't have anything to
>> do with the Bible.
>> Conclusion: Patrick is a dolt.
>
> Obviously you don't know that many people believed that
> Nostradum could predict events. Many folks even have
> written books about how good a predicter he was.
> Who is the real dolt here?
>

I know plenty about the man.
He made hundreds of predictions and most of them failed. And the rest were
too cryptic or ambiguous to be of any real use. Few people bother to pay any
attention to him.

[Mitchell Holman]

Jeanne Douglas <hlw...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote in news:hlwdjsd-
67E835.153...@news.giganews.com:

In study after study, even atheists know more
about the Bible than Christians............



Atheists Know More about Religion than Christians
June 1, 2011

Today the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life
released the results of a new "religious knowledge"
survey that came to a discouraging — but not unexpected
— result. It discovered that, on average, atheists and
agnostics are more knowledgeable about religion than
believers.

Why do atheists and agnostics tend to know more about
religion than devout religious people? Alan Cooperman,
associate director for research at the Pew Forum,
explained that non-believers typically grew up in a
religious tradition and gave it up on purpose — after
a period of reflection, study, and conscious decision-
making. "These are people who thought a lot about
religion," he told the L.A. Times. "They’re not
indifferent. They care about it."

On the other hand, many Christians come to faith and
then stop searching. The L.A. Times story also quotes
Methodist minister Adam Hamilton, author of When
Christians Get It Wrong, who said, "I think that what
happens for many Christians is, they accept their
particular faith, they accept it to be true and they
stop examining it. Consequently, because it’s already
accepted to be true, they don’t examine other people’s
faiths. That, I think is not healthy for a person of
any faith."
http://tinyurl.com/29vob3y

[Patrick]

"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote ..

> , "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>> wrote:

>>Do you need evidence that I follow my beliefs?
>

> Of course not,

Then STFU.

[Patrick]

"Jeanne Douglas" <hlw...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote

> "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you need evidence that I follow my beliefs?
>
> We know you don't.
> You're supposed to be humble and respectful.

Why?
Who made up that rule?

> Instead, you are prideful
> and arrogant. Big no no there. I advise you to run to confession and
> learn what acts of contrition you must do to expiate your guilt for that
> sin of pride.

You care about my future?
You really care?

[Patrick]

"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote in message
news:dkgi38lvd13qc3nhd...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:12:10 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
> in alt.abortion with message-id

> 25 lines to say your magic book of truth doesn't really mean what is
> says but actually means something else.
> Why am I not surprised?

I love to force dorks to read crap.
How did you like it?

[Patrick]

"Jeanne Douglas" <hlw...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote

>> >> Have I ever talked about dragons or unicorns?
>> >
>> >
>> > Your "inerrant" Bible does.
>>
>> I don't have an inerrant bible.
>> And, where might it mention unicorns?
>> Or...... are you just making up shit again?
>
> Why don't these idiots know the bible they claim to revere so highly.

Tell me more, cunt lick.

[Patrick]

"Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote

>
> Atheists Know More about Religion than Christians

Then teach me, butt-wipe.

[Patrick]

"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote in
> Exactly what proof exists that there are in fact demons to possess
> anything?

<yawn> same whine, different day.

[Patrick]

"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message

news:meki38hb6fmqntt9u...@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:08:51 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
> wrote in alt.atheism:
>
>>
>>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>>news:tdph38d6kas6e4vn3...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:54:09 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>
>>>>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>>>>news:jvjh38pmmbd7c5ig1...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 18:31:38 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
>>>>>>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
>>>>>>> doctrine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What evidence?
>>>>>
>>>>> Physical evidence about life, the earth and history. You forget that
>>>>> the
>>>>> stories in the Bible are most generally untrue or greatly exaggerated.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The Bible is mostly history. Do you believe in history?
>>>
>>> The Bible stories may have been inspired by history at times, but they
>>> are no more reliable than Homer as history.
>>
>>You don't believe that Homer existed?
>>
> Anyone who is familiar with English knows that

ENGLISH? English? Did Homer write in English?

_Homer_, in this context,
> refers to the writings attributed to the possibly mythical blind poet.
> The Iliad and Odyssey do indeed exist. I take your attempt to avoid the
> actual facts as clear knowledge on your part that the stories in the
> Bible are overwhelmingly fiction.

Homer did not write history. There is some doubt to the accuracy of the
writings of Homer as many of his stories were passed down through
generations and obviously, certain elements may have been twisted or
changed. However, as there is no alternative to his writings for this
period we have no choice. It is important to remember though that his
writings were in the form of literature and not of recorded history.

Whereas, many of the stories in the Bible were actually written as history.

[Patrick]

"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote ...

> , "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>> in alt.abortion with message-id

>>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message

>>> , "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
>>>>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
>>>>> doctrine.
>>>>
>>>>What evidence?
>>>
>>> Physical evidence about life, the earth and history. You forget that the
>>> stories in the Bible are most generally untrue or greatly exaggerated.
>>
>>The Bible is mostly history.
>

> Nonsense. History is never a single source - it requires unrelated
> support. While it contains some independently supported points those
> are few and minor.

Your opinion only.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <v6idndSmTMEo8aTN...@posted.localnet>,

How is a legitimate question a "whine"?

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <u4udnRZO_qPG9qTN...@posted.localnet>,

I care about the future of ALL people, even total assholes.

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:32:42 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>

More evidence of your intentional imitation of ignorance. English is the
language that refuse to understand in this discussion.

>
> _Homer_, in this context,
>> refers to the writings attributed to the possibly mythical blind poet.
>> The Iliad and Odyssey do indeed exist. I take your attempt to avoid the
>> actual facts as clear knowledge on your part that the stories in the
>> Bible are overwhelmingly fiction.
>
>Homer did not write history. There is some doubt to the accuracy of the
>writings of Homer as many of his stories were passed down through
>generations and obviously, certain elements may have been twisted or
>changed. However, as there is no alternative to his writings for this
>period we have no choice. It is important to remember though that his
>writings were in the form of literature and not of recorded history.
>
>Whereas, many of the stories in the Bible were actually written as history.

No evidence supports your interpretation. The Bible is full of stories
that appear to be historical, but have been shown by the physical
evidence to be either completely false or absurdly embroidered to make
Israel look really impressive. History and archaeology show us that you
cannot trust Bible stories as history, no matter what the assumed intent
of the various writers and editors.

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:34:28 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlw...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote in alt.atheism:

He knows that he cannot answer the question so he tries to divert us
from the question into some bit of absurdist nonsense.

[Patrick]

"Jeanne Douglas" <hlw...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote in message
news:hlwdjsd-927E10...@news.giganews.com...

Go away, little girl.
You are dismissed.

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:34:02 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>

wrote in alt.atheism:

>"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote ...
>> , "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>> in alt.abortion with message-id
>>>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>>>> , "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
>>>>>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
>>>>>> doctrine.
>>>>>
>>>>>What evidence?
>>>>
>>>> Physical evidence about life, the earth and history. You forget that the
>>>> stories in the Bible are most generally untrue or greatly exaggerated.
>>>
>>>The Bible is mostly history.
>>
>> Nonsense. History is never a single source - it requires unrelated
>> support. While it contains some independently supported points those
>> are few and minor.
>
>Your opinion only.
>

Your ignorance of history, historians and the process of gathering
history is noted. We will try to remember that you have no idea what you
are talking about when it comes to history and dismiss your opinions
about it accordingly.

[Syd M.]

On Aug 25, 8:41 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> "Jeanne Douglas" <hlwd...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote in message
>
> news:hlwdjsd-927E10...@news.giganews.com...
>
> > In article <v6idndSmTMEo8aTNnZ2dnUVZ_oqdn...@posted.localnet>,
> > "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>
> >> "Attila" <<procho...@here.now> wrote in

> >> > Exactly what proof exists that there are in fact demons to possess
> >> > anything?
>
> >> <yawn>  same whine, different day.
>
> > How is a legitimate question a "whine"?
>
> Go away, little girl.
> You are dismissed.

So, you point blank refuse to answer any real question, eh?
And you wonder at the flack you get here, asshole.

[Andrew W]

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in message

news:u4udnRZO_qPG9qTN...@posted.localnet

> "Jeanne Douglas" <hlw...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote
>> "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Do you need evidence that I follow my beliefs?
>>
>> We know you don't.
>> You're supposed to be humble and respectful.
>
> Why?
> Who made up that rule?
>

Its in the Bible, the book you Catholics rarely if ever read.

[Andrew W]

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in message

news:tbWdneJeQObmm6TN...@posted.localnet
> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
> news:XnsA0BA5CC7EB95C...@216.196.121.131...
>> "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in
>> news:C5Sdnd-oKPIiRaXN...@posted.localnet:
>>
>>> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:XnsA0B9D7DB96345...@216.196.121.131...
>>>> "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in
>>>> news:98qdnUIf2_pVnaXNnZ2dnUVZ_o- dn...@posted.localnet:
>>>>

>>>>> "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
>>>>>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly
>>>>>> false doctrine.
>>>>>
>>>>> What evidence?

>>>>> Do we have to go over all this again?
>>>>> You have no stinking evidence.
>>>>> You don't know what evidence is.
>>>>
>>>> Someone who believes in talking snakes and
>>>> dragons and unicorns and demonic possession dares
>>>> to demand "evidence" from others?
>>>> Oh, the irony.............
>>>

>>> Have I ever talked about dragons or unicorns?
>>
>>
>> Your "inerrant" Bible does.
>
> I don't have an inerrant bible.
>

W e k n o w y o u d o n ' t P a t r i c k.

[Andrew W]

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in message

news:PcudneHKaaaw8aTN...@posted.localnet

> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote
>>
>> Atheists Know More about Religion than Christians
>
> Then teach me, butt-wipe.
>

Does this look like a religious tuition group to you?
Why should anyone here spend their time teaching you about your religion and
its book?
Its your religion, you learn about its truths and untruths. Start taking
responsibility for your life instead of just clinging to authority figures
like a scared child.

[Andrew W]

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in message

news:j_WdnWzNHdSd8aTN...@posted.localnet

Is that any way for a loving Catholic to talk?
Your religion says to "love one another". Just ask duke.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <N7ydnbOrY78B7aTN...@posted.localnet>,

No, I'm not.

Answer the question you were asked.

[Andrew W]

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in message

news:98qdnUIf2_pVnaXN...@posted.localnet

> "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
>> doctrine.
>
> What evidence?
>

Evidence 1. No religion can agree as to what God is about and wants from
us.
In fact the Christian religion has the largest number of discordant sects
and denominations by far.

Evidence 2. The RCC used its dogmas centuries ago to kill and torture large
numbers of innocent people whom they labelled 'heretics', and even innocent
women whom they labelled 'witches'.

[Syd M.]

On Aug 25, 8:42 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:34:02 -0400, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com>
> wrote in alt.atheism:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Attila" <<procho...@here.now> wrote ...
> >> , "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com>> in alt.abortion with message-id

> >>>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message

> >>>> , "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com>> wrote in alt.atheism:

> >>>>>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
> >>>>>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
> >>>>>> doctrine.
>
> >>>>>What evidence?
>
> >>>> Physical evidence about life, the earth and history. You forget that the
> >>>> stories in the Bible are most generally untrue or greatly exaggerated.
>
> >>>The Bible is mostly history.
>
> >> Nonsense.  History is never a single source - it requires unrelated
> >> support.  While it contains some independently supported points those
> >> are few and minor.
>
> >Your opinion only.
>
> Your ignorance of history, historians and the process of gathering
> history is noted. We will try to remember that you have no idea what you
> are talking about when it comes to history and dismiss your opinions
> about it accordingly.

I thought we were already aware of his extreme ignorance regarding..
well, everything already.

[Andrew W]

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in message

news:PcudneHKaaaw8aTN...@posted.localnet

> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote
>>
>> Atheists Know More about Religion than Christians
>
> Then teach me, butt-wipe.
>

People in these groups have quoted verses and given you facts and
explanations plenty of times, but you religious zealots just throw them
against the wall.
You are incapable of recognising facts and seeing reason and truth.
Its all because you've allowed dogmas and doctrines to be drilled into your
heads by religions.
You people are unteachable.

[Mitchell Holman]

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in
news:coOdnY1tUe5X9qTN...@posted.localnet:

Atheists grew up reading the crap that
religionists like you said was "Holy Truth"
and "Sacred". But in the end we woke up
to the fact it was all crap.

Aren't you overdue?

[SkyEyes]

On Aug 25, 5:24 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> "Attila" <<procho...@here.now> wrote in

>
> > Exactly what proof exists that there are in fact demons to possess
> > anything?
>
> <yawn>  same whine, different day.

Nice, substantive comeback there, Patrick. Wow, what sharp debating
skills you have.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

[SkyEyes]

On Aug 25, 6:54 am, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>

> news:jvjh38pmmbd7c5ig1...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 18:31:38 -0400, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com>
> > wrote in alt.atheism:
>

> >>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
> >>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
> >>> doctrine.
>
> >>What evidence?
>

> > Physical evidence about life, the earth and history. You forget that the
> > stories in the Bible are most generally untrue or greatly exaggerated.
>

> The Bible is mostly history.  Do you believe in history?

The bible is a lot of things, but it ain't history.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<9f6d94b3-0154-47fa...@j2g2000pbg.googlegroups.com>,

SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Aug 25, 6:54 am, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> > "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
> >
> > news:jvjh38pmmbd7c5ig1...@4ax.com...
> >
> > > On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 18:31:38 -0400, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com>
> > > wrote in alt.atheism:
> >
> > >>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
> > >>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
> > >>> doctrine.
> >
> > >>What evidence?
> >
> > > Physical evidence about life, the earth and history. You forget that the
> > > stories in the Bible are most generally untrue or greatly exaggerated.
> >
> > The Bible is mostly history.  Do you believe in history?
>
> The bible is a lot of things, but it ain't history.

There's probably a lot of oral history in there. Which, while immensely
interesting, cannot really be trusted without independent verification.
No matter who the oral history belongs to.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<ead5a622-132f-4850...@oi9g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,

SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Aug 25, 5:24 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> > "Attila" <<procho...@here.now> wrote in
> >
> > > Exactly what proof exists that there are in fact demons to possess
> > > anything?
> >
> > <yawn>  same whine, different day.
>
> Nice, substantive comeback there, Patrick. Wow, what sharp debating
> skills you have.

I see the contortions he's putting himself through, and all the effort
he's putting into avoiding a very simple question. Why does he do that
to himself?

[BroilJAB]

Obama was ridiculed by young students
at the Ohio State student union Wednesday
where he repeatedly misspelled OHIO,
in autographs. He fled amid gales of coed's
laughing 'look at the big-ear dumb chimp!"

http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page

[fasgnadh]

On Aug 23, 12:53 pm, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> Atheism on the rise around the globe
> Christian Science Monitor
> August 15, 2012
>
> Atheism is on the rise in the United States and
> elsewhere while religiosity is declining, according
> to a new worldwide poll. The Global Index of
> Religiosity and Atheism, conducted by WIN-Gallup
> International headquartered in Switzerland, found
> that the number of Americans who say they are
> "religious" dropped from 73 percent in 2005 when
> the poll was last conducted to 60 percent. Those
> who said they were convinced atheists rose from
> 1 to 5 percent. And 33 percent of the people polled
> said that they don t consider themselves as a
> "religious person."
>


So the rise in atheism in the USA correlates to it's political
and economic decline...

and China, having abandoned the radical atheist state repression
of religion and seen over 300,000,000 new believers in just 7 years is
prosperous and
powering ahead.

It does make you think...

well, not YOU, of course, but any rational, thinking person

# "With the gradual liberalisation that developed with
# Deng Xiaoping's open door reforms, religion was no
# longer proscribed. In 1982, the constitution was
# amended to allow Chinese people considerable freedom
# of religion."
#
# http://cbbc.org/china_guide/religion.html
#
# "At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
# Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
# the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."
#
# "For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
# to a large extent,"
#
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
#
#
# "religion has been enjoying a resurgence in China over the
# past 20 years, as Communist Party disapproval has eased"
#
# http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6337627.stm
#
#
# "Religious believers thrice the estimate
# By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
#
# "A survey has found that the number of religious believers
# is three times bigger than the official estimate.
#
# The poll of about 4,500 people, conducted by professors Tong
# Shijun and Liu Zhongyu of Shanghai-based East China Normal
# University from 2005 till recently, found that 31.4 percent
# of Chinese aged 16 and above or about 300 million are religious."
#
# http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
#
# Incredible! in just a few short years the new converts from
# atheism In JUST ONE COUNTRY, far outnumber the slow increase
# in tiny atheist numbers in the rest of the WORLD! B^D
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAA

"If despite all the coercion, 85% of the Chinese people hold some
religious beliefs or practice some kind of religion, this statistic
tells a tale of faith. It also sends me a signal that faith — of any
kind in general but of the worshipping, godly kind as opposed to
having
faith in oneself or in one’s Constitution in particular — is perhaps a
basic need, an inner aspiration that finds external expression, one
way
or another."

"So, Buddhism (at 18% of China’s population) is the world’s most
populous nation’s largest religion, followed by Christianity (3.2%)"

"The curious thing about these data is that while members of the
Chinese
Communist Party and the Youth League are required to be atheists, “17%
of them self-identified with a religion, and 65% indicated they had
engaged in religious practices in the last year”.

.

"Rising religious tide in China overwhelms atheist doctrine"

"One of the last great efforts at state-sponsored atheism is a
failure.

And not just any kind of failure. China has enforced its anti-religion
policy through decades of repression, coercion and persecution, but
the
lack of success is spectacular, according to a major new study."

Since the Catastrophic failure of Mao's violent anti-theism,
China has restored respect for ancient tradition, including
religion, and prospered. Militant atheist persecutions have
given way to a massive resurgence of faith and freedom to believe

Atheism is routed, and a liberated China is emerging as a
world superpower:

here are now more religious in China than the USA;

"No more than 15 percent of adults in the world’s most populous
country
are “real atheists;” 85 percent of the Chinese either hold some
religious beliefs or practice some kind of religion, according to the
Chinese Spiritual Life Survey.

Members of the Chinese Communist Party and Youth League are required
to
be atheists, yet 17 percent of them self-identified with a religion,
and
65 percent indicated they had engaged in religious practices in the
last
year, reported sociologist Fenggang Yang of Purdue University, a lead
researcher in the project."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA

Even the COMMUNISTS have given up on ATHEISM! B^D

Now that they have abandoned the worst of the atheist
totalitarian
persecution of religious and intellectuals, we can anticipate the
growing middle class will, as it did in France and elsewhere,
create
an impetus for greater social and political freedoms.. As in the
rest of the world, it is always Majority Religious societies
which
produce free, open, pluralist, tolerant, multicultural, diverse,
secular democrtacies. Every Atheist state in history has been a
totalitarian TYRANNY!

"The notion of China as a secular nation with little or no religion is
“silly,” said sociologist Rodney Stark of Baylor University, another
principal investigator."

It was in the Maoist era, when the atheist persecution of
religion
was at it's height and over 40,000,000 people died, but old
faiths, driven underground, and new ones, are now blossoming in
post atheist China

“It‘s a pretty religious bunch of folks if you follow what they’re
doing,” he said.

Buddhist, Christian growth

In a nation with few sources of independent data on religion, the
spiritual life survey represents one of the best pictures to date of
the
Chinese religious landscape. The 2007 survey involved a random
national
sample of 7,021 people ages 16 and older in 56 locales throughout
mainland China.

The results find a middle ground between the official government
figure
of 100 million religious believers and extreme projections of growth
that estimate the number of Christians has become as high as 130
million.

Among the findings:

Buddhism is the largest religion in China, with about 18 percent, or
185
million people self-identifying as Buddhists. Another 31 percent of
respondents reported having at least one Buddhist belief or
participating in at least one Buddhist practice. More than 12 percent
of
Chinese Communist Party members self-identified as Buddhists.
About 3.2 percent of the population, or 33 million adults,
self-identified as Christians. Again, however, an additional 40
million
people said they believed in the existence of Jesus Christ or
participated in Christian activities."

No wonder, History has falsified the atheist hypothesis as
atheist
states have, in EVERY CASE, been catastrophic totalitarian
shitholes, killing over 70,000,000 people in just 70 years, far
more than any religion in all of history!

"The actual numbers may be even higher. Religious affiliation still
can
have consequences in China, from loss of jobs to prison, so
researchers
note that participants may be reluctant even in an anonymous survey to
identify with religion. That is a particular concern with faiths such
as
Christianity that have been special objects of attack by authorities.

Using one model testing that theory, researchers found a closer
ballpark
estimate of Chinese Christians may be in “the low 60 millions,” Stark
said."

....

"So far, the Chinese government has not made a major effort to push
back
against the religious growth, observers said.

The official atheism policy remains unchanged. From kindergarten to
college, the Chinese people are subjected to “atheistic
indoctrination”
in both curricular and extracurricular activities, Yang said. And
there
are still prominent instances of repression. Believers, particularly
those from banned religions, can find themselves under house arrest or
in labor camps.

Yet signs of religious growth are evident from college campuses to
city
streets. Some “house churches” have 3,000 to 4,000 members.

“For the most part, it’s kind of a little bit like, don‘t ask, don‘t
tell,” Stark said.

Yang, director of the Center on Religion and Chinese Society at
Purdue,
said many government officials “are in a state of denial. They still
insist there are only about 100 million religious believers.”

Other officials, he said, are not sure what to do. After the end of
the
Cultural Revolution, following 13 years of brutal measures taken to
eliminate religion, some officials came to a realization “religion
can’t
be stopped,” Yang said.

Also mediating against further restrictions on religion is a lack of
public support. There are few social pressures against faith, Yang
said.
In the spiritual life survey, less than a quarter of respondents
agreed
with the statement that “Christianity is a Western religion, hence it
is
not suitable for Chinese people.”

In addition, political and economic changes allowing greater freedom
also have created “sufficient social space” for the practice of
religion, Yang said.

The Chinese government appears to have few options left to halt the
growth of religion.

“This is a trend that is hard to stop,” Yang said. “In fact, it is
almost impossible to stop.”

Poor atheists, I told you so. B^]

[duke]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 01:17:12 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Aug 25, 6:54 am, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>> "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>>
>> news:jvjh38pmmbd7c5ig1...@4ax.com...
>>
>> > On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 18:31:38 -0400, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com>
>> > wrote in alt.atheism:
>>
>> >>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
>> >>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
>> >>> doctrine.
>>
>> >>What evidence?
>>
>> > Physical evidence about life, the earth and history. You forget that the
>> > stories in the Bible are most generally untrue or greatly exaggerated.
>>
>> The Bible is mostly history.  Do you believe in history?
>
>The bible is a lot of things, but it ain't history.

What then is history about the countryside for the last 4000 years?

The dukester, American - American
********************************************
A vote for obama is a vote for the end of
democracy in America as we know it. Let the
rolling thunder guide your decision at the
ballot box to put an end to Imperial Obama.
May God bless America.
********************************************

[duke]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 02:24:26 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlw...@NOSPAMpacbell.net>
wrote:

The oral history belong to the religious. There would have been more eye
witness written reports of daily life but the 747 out of Rome was canceled for
the time being.

[Paul Duca]

On Aug 25, 8:18 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> "Jeanne Douglas" <hlwd...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote
>

> > "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>
> >> Do you need evidence that I follow my beliefs?
>
> > We know you don't.
> > You're supposed to be humble and respectful.
>
> Why?
> Who made up that rule?
>

> > Instead, you are prideful
> > and arrogant. Big no no there. I advise you to run to confession and
> > learn what acts of contrition you must do to expiate your guilt for that
> > sin of pride.
>
> You care about my future?
> I'M going to be stuffing my face and smoking like a chimney-what more do I need?

[duke]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:46:30 +1000, "Andrew W" <remove_...@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

>"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in message
>news:98qdnUIf2_pVnaXN...@posted.localnet
>> "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
>>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
>>> doctrine.
>>
>> What evidence?

>Evidence 1. No religion can agree as to what God is about and wants from
>us.

Oh, the central theme of the bible is overflowing with the concept of God's love
for his creation and the call for us to treat each other the same way.

Strike 1 for you.

>In fact the Christian religion has the largest number of discordant sects
>and denominations by far.

And all 100% profess "Jesus is Lord".

>Evidence 2. The RCC used its dogmas centuries ago to kill and torture large
>numbers of innocent people whom they labelled 'heretics', and even innocent
>women whom they labelled 'witches'.

Dogma comes only as God's revealed truth. It's not man made.

Strike 2.

[linuxgal]

duke wrote:

> Dogma comes only as God's revealed truth. It's not man made.
>

Samuel revealed God's truth that Saul needed to kill all the Amalekite
men, women and children, and when Saul spared the king, Samuel killed
the king himself and revealed God's truth that Saul was fired, and
appointed David in his place. Yesterday you said that wasn't God's
truth, but that some Jews presumed it was. So Duke, my question to you
is, if private interpretation is to be applied, how does that make you
different from the Prodistents?

--
Need a spiritual home? Consider joining us at Mary Queen of the Universe
Latter-day Buddhislamic Free Will Christian UFO Synagogue of Vishnu

http://www.cleanposts.com

[W.T.S.]

In article <sg7k389vga19th6fj...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

> On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 01:17:12 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >On Aug 25, 6:54 am, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> >> "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
> >>

> >> > Physical evidence about life, the earth and history. You forget

> >> > stories in the Bible are most generally untrue or greatly exaggerated.
> >>
> >> The Bible is mostly history.  Do you believe in history?
> >
> >The bible is a lot of things, but it ain't history.
>
> What then is history about the countryside for the last 4000 years?

Go back to college, "duke", you didn't pay attention in any of the
history classes.
>
> The pukester, CatholiKKK Idiot.
> ********************************************
> A vote for obama is a vote for much more

> democracy in America as we know it. Let the
> rolling thunder guide your decision at the

> ballot box to put an end to Imperial Republicans.

> May God bless America.
> ********************************************
>

To be free, learn the truth! Start with the links below:
>

Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>
http://tinyurl.com/c4thugl
>
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs, die like rats!
>
Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.
>
http://www.imnotsorry.net
>
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17gbnyv0yzhevjpg/original.jpg
>
http://tinyurl.com/7q2ft38
>
http://tinyurl.com/7hk9gk8

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:49:30 -0700 (PDT), "Syd M."
<pauldav...@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism:

Sometimes he needs to be reminded that we know that he is proud to be
ignorant.

[W.T.S.]

In article <ji7k3851128m93ftd...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

> On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 02:24:26 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlw...@NOSPAMpacbell.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article
> ><9f6d94b3-0154-47fa...@j2g2000pbg.googlegroups.com>,
> > SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> > > Physical evidence about life, the earth and history. You forget

> >> > > stories in the Bible are most generally untrue or greatly exaggerated.
> >> >
> >> > The Bible is mostly history.  Do you believe in history?
> >>
> >> The bible is a lot of things, but it ain't history.
> >
> >There's probably a lot of oral history in there. Which, while immensely
> >interesting, cannot really be trusted without independent verification.
> >No matter who the oral history belongs to.
>
> The oral history belong to the religious. There would have been more eye
> witness written reports of daily life but the 747 out of Rome was canceled for
> the time being.

Oral history means myths, lies, disinformation and propaganda, the
Catholic Church's weapons of choice
>
> The pukester, CatholiKKK Liar.
> ********************************************
> A vote for obama is a vote for much more

> democracy in America as we know it. Let the
> rolling thunder guide your decision at the

> ballot box to put an end to Imperial Republicans.

> May God bless America.
> ********************************************
>

Be free, learn the truth! Start with the links below:

[Free Lunch]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 08:06:00 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
alt.atheism:

>On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:46:30 +1000, "Andrew W" <remove_...@optusnet.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>>"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in message
>>news:98qdnUIf2_pVnaXN...@posted.localnet
>>> "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
>>>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
>>>> doctrine.
>>>
>>> What evidence?
>
>>Evidence 1. No religion can agree as to what God is about and wants from
>>us.
>
>Oh, the central theme of the bible is overflowing with the concept of God's love
>for his creation and the call for us to treat each other the same way.

That's why the Bible tells us about God's murderous rage and subsequent
mass murder in the Flood. Maybe the fact that the Flood is completely
fictitious ameliorates the story.

>
>Strike 1 for you.
>
>>In fact the Christian religion has the largest number of discordant sects
>>and denominations by far.
>
>And all 100% profess "Jesus is Lord".

Whatever that means. Does the Spirit proceed from the Father and the
Son? Millions disagreed on that issue.

>
>>Evidence 2. The RCC used its dogmas centuries ago to kill and torture large
>>numbers of innocent people whom they labelled 'heretics', and even innocent
>>women whom they labelled 'witches'.
>
>Dogma comes only as God's revealed truth. It's not man made.
>

The assertion of a totalitarian mindset. You know that there is no
evidence that the RCC has God's revealed truth.

>Strike 2.
>
>The dukester, American - American
>********************************************
>A vote for obama is a vote for the end of
>democracy in America as we know it. Let the
>rolling thunder guide your decision at the
>ballot box to put an end to Imperial Obama.
>May God bless America.
>********************************************

Republicans reject everything that Jesus taught. Paul Ryan is an acolyte
of Ayn Rand, a woman who thought that all religious organizations were
corrupt, supported the right to abortion and all other equal rights for
women. Ryan lies about something when he tries to be just another clown
who panders to the reactionary bishops when it comes to women's issues
but wants all the poor to suffer.

[Free Lunch]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 08:03:58 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
alt.atheism:

>On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 02:24:26 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlw...@NOSPAMpacbell.net>
>wrote:
>
>>In article
>><9f6d94b3-0154-47fa...@j2g2000pbg.googlegroups.com>,
>> SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 25, 6:54 am, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>> > "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>>> >
>>> > news:jvjh38pmmbd7c5ig1...@4ax.com...
>>> >
>>> > > On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 18:31:38 -0400, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com>
>>> > > wrote in alt.atheism:
>>> >
>>> > >>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
>>> > >>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
>>> > >>> doctrine.
>>> >
>>> > >>What evidence?
>>> >
>>> > > Physical evidence about life, the earth and history. You forget that the
>>> > > stories in the Bible are most generally untrue or greatly exaggerated.
>>> >
>>> > The Bible is mostly history.  Do you believe in history?
>>>
>>> The bible is a lot of things, but it ain't history.
>>
>>There's probably a lot of oral history in there. Which, while immensely
>>interesting, cannot really be trusted without independent verification.
>>No matter who the oral history belongs to.
>
>The oral history belong to the religious. There would have been more eye
>witness written reports of daily life but the 747 out of Rome was canceled for
>the time being.

Oral history is not inherently trustworthy. For example most stories in
the Bible are either completely false or so exaggerated that the actual
piece of history they talk about is unrecognizeable.

[W.T.S.]

In article <em7k38pm0rv68gjc9...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

> On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:46:30 +1000, "Andrew W" <remove_...@optusnet.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> >"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in message
> >news:98qdnUIf2_pVnaXN...@posted.localnet
> >> "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
> >>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
> >>> doctrine.
> >>
> >> What evidence?
>
> >Evidence 1. No religion can agree as to what God is about and wants from
> >us.
>
> Oh, the central theme of the bible is overflowing with the concept of God's love
> for his creation and the call for us to treat each other the same way.

"God" is a total lie, nothing more than a sock puppet. Strike 1 for
"duke".

>
> >In fact the Christian religion has the largest number of discordant sects
> >and denominations by far.
>
> And all 100% profess "Jesus is Lord".

"Jesus" is lying bull shit, another sock puppet. Strike 2 for "duke".

>
> >Evidence 2. The RCC used its dogmas centuries ago to kill and torture large
> >numbers of innocent people whom they labelled 'heretics', and even innocent
> >women whom they labelled 'witches'.
>
> Dogma comes only as God's revealed truth. It's not man made.

"Dogma" doesn't comes from the Pope's sock puppet, not from any mythical
"god". Strike 3 for "duke".
>
And we're throwing "duke" out of the game.
>
> The pukester, CatholiKKK Liar.
> ********************************************
> A vote for obama is a vote for much more

> democracy in America as we know it. Let the
> rolling thunder guide your decision at the

> ballot box to put an end to Imperial Republicans.

> May God bless America.
> ********************************************
>

Be free, know the truth. Start with the links, below:

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 01:16:07 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net>
wrote:

>On Aug 25, 5:24 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>> "Attila" <<procho...@here.now> wrote in
>>
>> > Exactly what proof exists that there are in fact demons to possess
>> > anything?
>>
>> <yawn>  same whine, different day.
>
>Nice, substantive comeback there, Patrick. Wow, what sharp debating
>skills you have.

There's no "debate" with the Liars For God.

[Patrick]

"Jeanne Douglas" <hlw...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote
> I care about the future of ALL people, even total assholes.

Are you looking for a list of them.
Place your name at the top of the list.
Then add lunchbox, atila, jimmy, mitch, alvin,
defo, arj, tommy, cwissy, and a few more.
I don't keep track of all of you. You all sound alike.

[Patrick]

"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote >
>>Whereas, many of the stories in the Bible were actually written as
>>history.
>
> No evidence supports your interpretation. The Bible is full of stories
> that appear to be historical, but have been shown by the physical
> evidence to be either completely false or absurdly embroidered to make
> Israel look really impressive. History and archaeology show us that you
> cannot trust Bible stories as history, no matter what the assumed intent
> of the various writers and editors.

Which "historical" ones are completely false?

[Patrick]

"Syd M." <pauldav...@yahoo.com> wrote

So, you point blank refuse to answer any real question, eh?
And you wonder at the flack you get here, asshole.

+ Come up with a real question, ass-wipe.

[Patrick]

"Jeanne Douglas" <hlw...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote
> Answer the question you were asked.

Which question?
I delete most shit that shows up here.

[Patrick]

"SkyEyes" <skye...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ead5a622-132f-4850...@oi9g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

On Aug 25, 5:24 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> "Attila" <<procho...@here.now> wrote in
>
> > Exactly what proof exists that there are in fact demons to possess
> > anything?
>
> <yawn> same whine, different day.

Nice, substantive comeback there, Patrick. Wow, what sharp debating
skills you have.

+ When one of you turds comes up with a legitimate question
with an expectation of honest discussion, get back to me.
Until then, you are also dismissed, cunt-lick.

[Patrick]

"Jeanne Douglas" <hlw...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote in message
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> In article
> <ead5a622-132f-4850...@oi9g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,

> SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 25, 5:24 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>> > "Attila" <<procho...@here.now> wrote in
>> >
>> > > Exactly what proof exists that there are in fact demons to possess
>> > > anything?
>> >
>> > <yawn> same whine, different day.
>>
>> Nice, substantive comeback there, Patrick. Wow, what sharp debating
>> skills you have.
>

> I see the contortions he's putting himself through, and all the effort
> he's putting into avoiding a very simple question. Why does he do that
> to himself?

Did you have a question?
If you want an answer, ask nicely.

[Patrick]

"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:24:20 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
> in alt.abortion with message-id
> <v6idndSmTMEo8aTN...@posted.localnet> wrote:
>
>>"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote in

>>> Exactly what proof exists that there are in fact demons to possess
>>> anything?
>>
>><yawn> same whine, different day.
>>
>

> It's the same question, moron.
>
> I notice you attack that which you cannot address. You attack a lot.

all you ass-wipes keep whining the same song.
You'll get the same answer.

[Patrick]

"Andrew W" <remove_...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in message

> news:j_WdnWzNHdSd8aTN...@posted.localnet
>> "Jeanne Douglas" <hlw...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote
>>
>>>>>> Have I ever talked about dragons or unicorns?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Your "inerrant" Bible does.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have an inerrant bible.
>>>> And, where might it mention unicorns?
>>>> Or...... are you just making up shit again?
>>>
>>> Why don't these idiots know the bible they claim to revere so highly.
>>
>> Tell me more, cunt lick.
>>
>
> Is that any way for a loving Catholic to talk?
> Your religion says to "love one another". Just ask duke.

I luvs ya, andy.....

[Patrick]

"Andrew W" <remove_...@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote
>>>
>>> Atheists Know More about Religion than Christians
>>
>> Then teach me, butt-wipe.
>>
>
> Does this look like a religious tuition group to you?
> Why should anyone here spend their time teaching you about your religion
> and its book?
> Its your religion, you learn about its truths and untruths. Start taking
> responsibility for your life instead of just clinging to authority figures
> like a scared child.

[Patrick]

"Andrew W" <remove_...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message

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> "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in message

> news:PcudneHKaaaw8aTN...@posted.localnet

>> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote
>>>
>>> Atheists Know More about Religion than Christians
>>
>> Then teach me, butt-wipe.
>>
>

> People in these groups have quoted verses and given you facts and
> explanations plenty of times, but you religious zealots just throw them
> against the wall.

Stupid people are clueless about what they spout on about.
It is almost humorous to listen to you try to interpret simple verses.


> You are incapable of recognising facts and seeing reason and truth.
> Its all because you've allowed dogmas and doctrines to be drilled into
> your heads by religions.
> You people are unteachable.

I take it you don't have a question then?

[Patrick]

"Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote >
> Atheists grew up reading the crap that
> religionists like you said was "Holy Truth"
> and "Sacred". But in the end we woke up
> to the fact it was all crap.
> Aren't you overdue?

You are a LIAR.
You are against organized religion because you can't conform
to the laws of God. You can't stand it that your favorite sin
(whatever it is) is not acceptable to your creator. Therefore, you
whine and say that God doesn't exist.
Guess what, you aren't hurting me one bit.
Die and go to Hell. I don't care.
BTW, what is your favorite sin that you can't give up?
Is it lying, stealing, fagging around, aborting children,
serial murder, pedophilia?
What is it that you just can't give up, you fuckin loozer?

[Patrick]

"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote>
> I counted the lines. That doesn't mean I read them.

You read them.
You looked for something that you could criticize.
All you whining atheists are all alike.
And it pisses you off that I got yer number.

[Patrick]

"Andrew W" <remove_...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message

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> "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in message

> news:u4udnRZO_qPG9qTN...@posted.localnet
>> "Jeanne Douglas" <hlw...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote

>>> "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you need evidence that I follow my beliefs?
>>>
>>> We know you don't.
>>> You're supposed to be humble and respectful.
>>
>> Why?
>> Who made up that rule?
>>
>

> Its in the Bible, the book you Catholics rarely if ever read.

Show me.

[Patrick]

"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote

> Your ignorance of history, historians and the process of gathering
> history is noted. We will try to remember that you have no idea what you
> are talking about when it comes to history and dismiss your opinions
> about it accordingly.

GREAT!
Now you won't be bothering me with all your horse shit for a while.

[Patrick]

"Andrew W" <remove_...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message

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> "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in message

> news:98qdnUIf2_pVnaXN...@posted.localnet
>> "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote
>>> The evidence shows us that all major religions preach mostly false
>>> doctrine.
>>
>> What evidence?
>>
>
> Evidence 1. No religion can agree as to what God is about and wants from

> us. In fact the Christian religion has the largest number of discordant

> sects and denominations by far.

That is evidence? What bull crap.
All major religions preach love. All have beliefs and dogmas that
are very similar. Do not kill, do not lie, do not covet.

> Evidence 2. The RCC used its dogmas centuries ago to kill and torture
> large numbers of innocent people whom they labelled 'heretics', and even
> innocent women whom they labelled 'witches'.

The Church didn't do that.
A few evil fuckers like you - used the RCC as an excuse
to get rid of peple who might usurp power away from them.

+ Wait.......... Is that it?
That is your evidence?
Lord help us all.

[Patrick]

"linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
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> duke wrote:
>
>> Dogma comes only as God's revealed truth. It's not man made.
>
> Samuel revealed God's truth that Saul needed to kill all the Amalekite
> men, women and children, and when Saul spared the king, Samuel killed the
> king himself and revealed God's truth that Saul was fired, and appointed
> David in his place. Yesterday you said that wasn't God's truth, but that
> some Jews presumed it was. So Duke, my question to you is, if private
> interpretation is to be applied, how does that make you different from the
> Prodistents?

Where does it say that Samuel revealed God's truth?

And, no human is perfect, without sin.

Plus, the tragic story of Saul is a study in wasted opportunity. Here was a
man who had it all-honor, authority, riches, good looks, and more. Yet he
died in despair, terrified of his enemies and knowing he had failed his
nation, his family, and his God. Saul made the mistake of thinking he
could please God through disobedience. Like many today, he believed that a
sensible motive will compensate for bad behavior. Perhaps his power went to
his head, and he began to think he was above the rules. Somehow he developed
a low opinion of God's commands and a high opinion of himself. Even when
confronted with his wrongdoing, he attempted to vindicate himself, and that's
when God rejected him (15:16-28). Saul's problem is one we all face-a
problem of the heart. Obedience to God's will is necessary for success, and
if we in pride rebel against Him, we set ourselves up for loss.