Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss

Modernis(t/m) ILLUSTRATED

0 views
Skip to first unread message

W.J.P.

unread,
Nov 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/13/98
to
The most formidable enemies... [the Church] ...faced in the 19th
century were theologians and philosophers who called themselves
MODERNISTS. At heart, their fundamental principle was the
perpetual need to MODERNIZE the Church and the Church's
message. Otherwise, how could the Church be understood &
accepted? A bridge was needed, they said, between the age-
old Gospel and the ever-changing mind & culture of men & women.
That idea was not in itself alien either to Church or Jesuits. But
MODERNISTS drove a coach-and-four across that fragile bridge.
Adaptation, in their mouths and under their pens, meant
renunciation of basic doctrines. It meant that the Church could
deny in one age what it had affirmed in a previous age as
essential dogma. It meant, in sum, that there was no permanent
datum of faith, no dogma, no fixed belief. For the data of science
could and should be allowed to dictate what men & women
should believe. MODERNISM was and still is the total
harnessing of religous belief and practice to the cultural
modes & vagaries of civilization in any given epoch.

It was a familiar arrow pointed straight AT THE HEART
of Romanism and the hierarchic Church. For the MODERNIST,
the Church of Christ was no permanently established hierarchic
institution centered on the Bishop of Rome as Supreme Pastor.
That Church really was a much more "spiritual" thing, and
assemblage of individual communities of believers in whom
the spirit of Christ continually evolved fresh & new forms of
worship, belief, and "MORALITY". MODERNISM and
CATHOLICISM could not possibly live in the same religous
house.

- excerpted from page 219 of a book called:
"The Jesuits: The Society of Jesus and the
betrayal of the Roman Catholic Church"
[all emphasises and capitilizations were mine]

wjp.

=========================================
W.J.Paul - crst...@planet.eon.net
noiseless_pa...@bigfoot.com
=========================================
"Pro Deum qui laetificat juventutem meam"
"For God, Who gives joy to my youth."
=========================================

Edward Thorne

unread,
Nov 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/13/98
to
In <364b94f...@news.planet.eon.net> W.J.P.

Hmmnn ...sounds like the dissenters of our day, the CTA crowd and their
ilk, and the National Catholic Reporter.

# # # # #
"Hail, Full of Grace, the Lord is with thee."

--Ed

W.J.P.

unread,
Nov 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/13/98
to
On 13 Nov 1998 06:11:25 GMT, eth...@ix.netcom.com(Edward Thorne) wrote:

>Hmmnn ...sounds like the dissenters of our day, the CTA crowd and their
>ilk, and the National Catholic Reporter.
># # # # #
>"Hail

Mary


>, Full of Grace, the Lord is with thee."
>--Ed

hmmmm... not familiar with either of them : {
are they REALLY dissenters? or RESTORATION movements?
I found a more AUTHORITIVE infromation source to illustrate
MODERNISM however; the CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA
ONLINE AT:
http://www.knight.org/advent/cathen/10415a.htm

God Bless,
Wayne.

Jerry Patterson

unread,
Nov 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/13/98
to


I certainly agree with Ed. I would recommend "Trojan Horse in the City
of God, Dietrich von Hildebrand, Sophia Institute Press, New Hampshire.

Blessings,
Jerry

Edward Thorne

unread,
Nov 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/14/98
to
In <364c491a...@news.planet.eon.net> W.J.P.

<crst...@planet.eon.net> writes:
>
>On 13 Nov 1998 06:11:25 GMT, eth...@ix.netcom.com(Edward Thorne)
wrote:
>
>>Hmmnn ...sounds like the dissenters of our day, the CTA crowd and
their
>>ilk, and the National Catholic Reporter.
>># # # # #
>>"Hail
>Mary
>>, Full of Grace, the Lord is with thee."
>>--Ed
>
> hmmmm... not familiar with either of them : {
> are they REALLY dissenters? or RESTORATION movements?
> I found a more AUTHORITIVE infromation source to illustrate
> MODERNISM however; the CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA
> ONLINE AT:
> http://www.knight.org/advent/cathen/10415a.htm

Modern modernism is a far cry from that condemned by Pius X.

Its purpose is to remake the church into a kind of mainline liberal
Protestant denomination, and die like them too.

The National Catholic Reporter is the mouthpiece of all those who
dislike the teachings of the Catholic church. While professing to be
Catholics, they bash everything Catholic.

CTA is Call to Action. It pushes the agenda of modern modernism. All
those in CTA in the Diocese of Lincoln were excommunicated by the
bishop if they did not leave.


# # # # #

"When Peter speaks, the Church listens."

--Ed

W.J.P.

unread,
Nov 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/15/98
to
On 14 Nov 1998 05:01:23 GMT, eth...@ix.netcom.com(Edward Thorne) wrote:
>> hmmmm... not familiar with either of them : {
>> are they REALLY dissenters? or RESTORATION movements?
>> I found a more AUTHORITIVE infromation source to illustrate
>> MODERNISM however; the CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA
>> ONLINE AT:
>> http://www.knight.org/advent/cathen/10415a.htm
>
>Modern modernism is a far cry from that condemned by Pius X.
>Its purpose is to remake the church into a kind of mainline liberal
>Protestant denomination, and die like them too.

I'm glad that definition has NOT been "modernized"

>The National Catholic Reporter is the mouthpiece of all those who
>dislike the teachings of the Catholic church. While professing to be
>Catholics, they bash everything Catholic.
>CTA is Call to Action. It pushes the agenda of modern modernism. All
>those in CTA in the Diocese of Lincoln were excommunicated by the
>bishop if they did not leave.

Thanks Ed,... I'd heard about the "Call To Action" group and
for the life of me can't think of a single Catholic taking them
seriously at all... just didn't recognize the abreviation "CTA."
thanks also for your warning about the NCR....

>"When Peter speaks, the Church listens."
>--Ed

Listening is one thing, obedience is totally different.
I can't get over how some U.S. bishops try to pretend
they can't hear clearly and bounce things back & forth
with Rome, delaying, trying to clarify, get things adjusted,
etc.,...

wjp

0 new messages