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 More options Nov 5 2012, 8:12 am
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From: § <www.salvation belongs to the Lord>
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 08:12:03 -0500
Local: Mon, Nov 5 2012 8:12 am
Subject: Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation, Ps. 146:3... mortals such as Mary; bones; relics; statues...

the evidence of salvation and the blessedness thereof, as Ps.146 indicates, lies in exactly who has
given us life eternal... it certainly wasn't mortal Mary nor the thousands and thousands of dead
people her worshipers kneel down to as well and their bones, relics and statues and pictures they
ask favor's of...

no, it is the Living God who has given His elect ones redemption.

the factors which evidence salvation is the new creation in Christ Jesus, 2 Cor.5:17, made possible
by His indwelling Holy Spirit, Ro.8:16.  a life of learning God's Word through Him who does the
saving as Ps.119 points out, to the end result of being throughly furnished unto every good work,
2 Tim.3:16,17.  keeping Commandments is not even remotely possible for the religious un-redeemed.
their total inability to use the Word of God to interpret the Word of God is seriously lacking, so
they come up bizarre doctrines which re-define the " one faith " of Eph.4:4-6.

the elect do not pretend to know God through denominational traditions nor by the praying to the
dead for favor's as the idol worshipers do daily.  He is the God of the living, Mk12:27.

denominational traditions evidence a trust in princes... mortal man... who pretend to better
understand the Word of God than their fellow man.  the trust lies in one believing their church
fathers have correctly taught them God's Word.  take a look therefore at the people who post their
ideas of God to these Usenet forums...

some are on their knees praying to dead Mary in their church buildings filled with graven images of
what they want her to look like and be... notice these idols of their Mary are always Gentile faced
young woman with the symbol of the sun god around the images head ?

other's are preaching gospels of self-salvation for the smart, only.  ideas such as these patented
' sinner's prayers ' all have the person doing something which must come about or that person can
not be redeemed.  man must " tell Jesus " he receives Him but this leaves out the fetus, the still
born baby, the person born a mental vegetable and so on just to name a few.  

" " I " made a decision for Christ; "" " " I " invited Jesus into my heart ""  all evidence gospels
for the smart, only... there is just " one faith " as already mentioned.  and because no one can
understand the gospel until after they are redeemed through it, Jn.3:3, it's obvious these are just
glory seekers needing to control salvation for other's.  

the only completely trustworthy, and BTW, ' trust ' is a good work as far as God is concerned,
Ru.2:12; Ps.37:3; 73:28 and no one is elected because he first trusted in the Lord, Gal.2:16, is His
Word taught to us by Him alone as His Word clearly indicates in Mt.4:4 and Jn.6:45 and elsewhere.

denominational traditions end therefore, in perdition as do those who follow it.


 
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From: kolwe...@astromail.com
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 11:55:10 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation, Ps. 146:3... mortals such as Mary; bones; relics; statues...
On Nov 5, 8:11 am,   <www.salvation belongs to the Lord> wrote:

> the evidence of salvation and the blessedness thereof, as Ps.146 indicates, lies in exactly who has
> given us life eternal... it certainly wasn't mortal Mary nor the thousands and thousands of dead
> people her worshipers kneel down to as well and their bones, relics and statues and pictures they
> ask favor's of...

If you have NO respect for our lady, the one who bears
Jesus, the light of the world in her womb, then
you are a demon.
David says, trust no man and If you think
he was talking about the Messiah and his blessed mother
since David is also a man why should we care or trust
what he said

 
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From: "Freedom Man" <freespe...@4eva.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:25:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation, Ps. 146:3... mortals such as Mary; bones; relics; statues...
See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?

Adults no longer believe in the Tooth Fairy - but they still torture and
kill each other over ancient myths and superstitions.

"We all remember how many religious wars were fought for a religion of love
and gentleness; how many bodies were burned alive with the genuinely kind
intention of saving souls from the eternal fire of hell." --- Karl Popper

"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many
people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion."
 --- Robert M. Pirsig

Either God wants to abolish evil and cannot, or he can but does not want to.
If he wants to but cannot he is impotent. If he can but does not want to, he
is wicked. If he neither can nor wants to, then he is both powerless and
wicked.
--- Epicurus, Greek philosopher, circa 300 B.C.

"Act of God" disasters like the Japanese earthquake expose the myth. Either
God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like this, or he doesn't care to, or
he doesn't exist. He is thus either impotent, evil, or imaginary.
--- CNN Belief Blog, 3-20-11

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that
takes religion."
--- Steven Weinberg, quoted in The New York Times, April 20, 1999

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false,
and by rulers as useful."
--- Seneca the Younger (4? BC - 65 AD)

"Religion once ruled the world. It was called the Dark Ages." --- Ruth
Green.

"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings." ---  
Victor Stenger.

"I don't believe in God because I don't believe in Mother Goose." ---  
Clarence Darrow

"As my ancestors are free from slavery, I am free from the slavery of
religion." --- Butterfly McQueen

"Religion was invented when the first con-man met the first fool." - Mark
Twain

"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." --- Mark Twain

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in
all fiction." --- Richard Dawkins

"Cult today, religion tomorrow."

The Freedom From Religion Foundation:  http://ffrf.org/
The Secular Coalition for America:  www.secular.org
Secular Student Alliance:  www.secularstudents.org
www.infidels.org
www.humaniststudies.org
www.atheistalliance.org
www.americanhumanist.org


 
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From: r...@somis.org (•R.Measures)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 12:15:33 -0800
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Subject: Re: Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation, Ps. 146:3... mortals such as Mary; bones; relics; statues...

In article <vp2t98ll8p04lvtmttosbk8m6aqr08l...@4ax.com>, Za...@utopia.net wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 11:55:10 -0800 (PST), kolwe...@astromail.com wrote:

> >On Nov 5, 8:11 am,   <www.salvation belongs to the Lord> wrote:
> >> the evidence of salvation and the blessedness thereof, as Ps.146

indicates, lies in exactly who has
> >> given us life eternal... it certainly wasn't mortal Mary nor the

thousands and thousands of dead
> >> people her worshipers kneel down to as well and their bones, relics

and statues and pictures they

> >> ask favor's of...

> >If you have NO respect for our lady, the one who bears
> >Jesus, the light of the world in her womb, then
> >you are a demon.
> >David says, trust no man and If you think
> >he was talking about the Messiah and his blessed mother
> >since David is also a man why should we care or trust
> >what he said

> This is illogical. Mary had a mother, she had a mother etc back to
> Eve. What you say makes no sense.

•  The key to this delusion is that Mary's mom supposedly conceived Mary
without semen/original sin. (1845)

"Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive."
---- Walter Scott


 
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 More options Nov 10 2012, 3:32 pm
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From: Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 14:32:15 -0600
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Subject: Re: Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation, Ps. 146:3... mortals such as Mary; bones; relics; statues...
On 11/10/2012 2:15 PM, •R.Measures wrote:

I prefer the updated version.

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to believe."
Laurence J. Peter


 
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From: r...@somis.org (•R.Measures)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 16:03:56 -0800
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Subject: Re: Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation, Ps. 146:3... mortals such as Mary; bones; relics; statues...

***  that new to me,

 
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From: duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 08:32:28 -0600
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Subject: Re: Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation, Ps. 146:3... mortals such as Mary; bones; relics; statues...

Hmmm.  A clear reflection that you are clueless to what he said.

>-- Zadok
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From: duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 08:33:32 -0600
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Subject: Re: Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation, Ps. 146:3... mortals such as Mary; bones; relics; statues...

Haahaahaa.  He's still clueless after I've corrected him so many times before.

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From: duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 08:34:18 -0600
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Subject: Re: Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation, Ps. 146:3... mortals such as Mary; bones; relics; statues...

Anything is better than rl's goofy professions after I've corrected him so many
times in the past.

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From: r...@somis.org (•R.Measures)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 13:27:24 -0800
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Subject: Re: Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation, Ps. 146:3... mortals such as Mary; bones; relics; statues...
In article <kodv989641darkneltojm72hees10ej...@4ax.com>, duke

•  So tell us again whose conception was "Immaculate".

 
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From: duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:34:06 -0600
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Subject: Re: Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation, Ps. 146:3... mortals such as Mary; bones; relics; statues...

Jesus, if you claim no semen.

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From: r...@somis.org (•R.Measures)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 06:00:52 -0800
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Subject: Re: Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation, Ps. 146:3... mortals such as Mary; bones; relics; statues...
In article <aku1a8lmjdoig6nt93qlmved57rvi8e...@4ax.com>, duke

•  whose conception was "Immaculate" duke?

 
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From: duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
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Mary, as scripture strongly suggests.

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From: r...@somis.org (•R.Measures)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:47:55 -0800
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Subject: Re: Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation, Ps. 146:3... mortals such as Mary; bones; relics; statues...
In article <8eg4a81i15glsu34qu7s2k09pn3rvek...@4ax.com>, duke

•  IOW, no semen.

 
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From: duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
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Subject: Re: Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation, Ps. 146:3... mortals such as Mary; bones; relics; statues...

Nope, semen has nothing to do with immaculate conception.

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From: linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:25:04 -0800
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Subject: Re: Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation, Ps. 146:3... mortals such as Mary; bones; relics; statues...

duke wrote:
> Nope, semen has nothing to do with immaculate conception.

Are you saying that St. Joachim is not Mary's father?  Or are you
confused like 99% of Prodistents and think the immaculate conception is
about Jesus?

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From: r...@somis.org (•R.Measures)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 05:57:31 -0800
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Subject: Re: Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation, Ps. 146:3... mortals such as Mary; bones; relics; statues...
In article <k6b8a8p7jgl1819bvrfefc8vto1j60p...@4ax.com>, duke

•  ... but he won't say what does and he doesn't even know what transpired
at Lourdes with Saint Bernardette and the BVM.  Is Duke really a Roman
Catholic?

 
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From: r...@somis.org (•R.Measures)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:01:03 -0800
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Subject: Re: Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation, Ps. 146:3... mortals such as Mary; bones; relics; statues...
In article <NMmdnRNGcfPs2TnNnZ2dnUVZ_uCdn...@giganews.com>, linuxgal

<linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> duke wrote:
> > Nope, semen has nothing to do with immaculate conception.

> Are you saying that St. Joachim is not Mary's father?  Or are you
> confused like 99% of Prodistents and think the immaculate conception is
> about Jesus?

***  So it seems LG.  .  .  Let us critics of the Church of Rome give
thanks for Duke/Earl.

 
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From: duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:37:58 -0600
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Subject: Re: Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation, Ps. 146:3... mortals such as Mary; bones; relics; statues...

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:25:04 -0800, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>duke wrote:
>> Nope, semen has nothing to do with immaculate conception.

>Are you saying that St. Joachim is not Mary's father?  Or are you
>confused like 99% of Prodistents and think the immaculate conception is
>about Jesus?

The only person born without semen is Jesus.  Remember, the Immaculate
Conception of Mary is declared dogma for Catholics.

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From: duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:38:28 -0600
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Subject: Re: Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation, Ps. 146:3... mortals such as Mary; bones; relics; statues...

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:01:03 -0800, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
>In article <NMmdnRNGcfPs2TnNnZ2dnUVZ_uCdn...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
><linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

>> duke wrote:
>> > Nope, semen has nothing to do with immaculate conception.

>> Are you saying that St. Joachim is not Mary's father?  Or are you
>> confused like 99% of Prodistents and think the immaculate conception is
>> about Jesus?

>***  So it seems LG.  .  .  Let us critics of the Church of Rome give
>thanks for Duke/Earl.

I suspect our tao gal is still a few steps ahead of you in Christianity.

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From: "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:39:40 -0800 (PST)
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On Nov 15, 4:37 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:25:04 -0800, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> >duke wrote:
> >> Nope, semen has nothing to do with immaculate conception.

> >Are you saying that St. Joachim is not Mary's father?  Or are you
> >confused like 99% of Prodistents and think the immaculate conception is
> >about Jesus?

> The only person born without semen is Jesus.

Empty assertion, liar.

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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:40:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation, Ps. 146:3... mortals such as Mary; bones; relics; statues...
On Nov 15, 4:38 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

And you would be wrong, liar Dork.

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From: duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
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??  Somehow I don't think you have a clue anyway.  We never even talked about
Lourdes before.

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From: linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:58:38 -0800
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duke wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:25:04 -0800, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

>> duke wrote:
>>> Nope, semen has nothing to do with immaculate conception.

>> Are you saying that St. Joachim is not Mary's father?  Or are you
>> confused like 99% of Prodistents and think the immaculate conception is
>> about Jesus?

> The only person born without semen is Jesus.  Remember, the Immaculate
> Conception of Mary is declared dogma for Catholics.

So if the only person born without semen is Jesus, and if the Immaculate
Conception is a Marian dogma, explain to me why semen has nothing to do
with the Immaculate Conception.  Because if that is true, then Mary was
also born without semen.  Do you understand the question?

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From: duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 06:22:36 -0600
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Subject: Re: Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation, Ps. 146:3... mortals such as Mary; bones; relics; statues...

It never has had anything to do with semen.  It has to do with God via Gabriel
declaring that she is most blessed, ie, sin free.  As her to-be human son
existed as the 2nd person of the Holy Trinity before, the dogmatic statement in
support of "sin free" was that the 2nd person removed her sin nature at the
moment of her own conception as his SELECTED future Ark of the New Covenant.

> Because if that is true, then Mary was
>also born without semen.  Do you understand the question?

You clearly never learned from your daddy.  And tao doesn't care.

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