Pope: Satan Will Never Defeat Christ And The Church
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Pope tells new archbishops that evil (satan) will never defeat Christ,
church
CNS ^ | 06.29.06 | Carol Glatz
Posted on 06/29/2006 7:30:45 PM PDT by Coleus
VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- The powers of evil and death will never triumph
over Christ and the church he built on the rock of Peter and continues
to fortify with his successors, Pope Benedict XVI told new archbishops
from 18 countries. Though the church and Christ are continually walking
toward their cross, suffering and being tossed to and fro like a small
boat on a sea whipped up "by the winds of ideologies, ... in the
suffering church, Christ is victorious," the pope said during a Mass in
St. Peter's Basilica for the feast of Sts. Peter and Paul June 29.
During the Mass, the pope gave the archbishops named within the
previous year a pallium, a circular band of white wool marked with six
black crosses. The pallium symbolizes an archbishop's authority and
unity with the pope. The pope and archbishops were dressed in brilliant
red vestments, but the pope wore a longer, more traditional style of
the pallium, which he reintroduced after his installation last year as
bishop of Rome.
Among the 27 archbishops receiving palliums were U.S. Archbishops
Daniel N. DiNardo of Galveston-Houston, George H. Niederauer of San
Francisco and Donald W. Wuerl of Washington, as well as Canadian
Archbishop Sylvain Lavoie of Keewatin-Le Pas, Manitoba. In his homily,
the pope recalled the trials of Job after God allowed Satan to test the
man's faith. Similar trials continue to befall Christ's faithful, and
sometimes "it seems that God gives Satan too much freedom" and "the
capacity to shake us up too terribly."
But, just as Jesus prayed for Peter, he prays for the church and its
people "that your own faith may not fail," he said. After the ceremony,
Archbishop Niederauer told Catholic News Service that when the pope
talked about Jesus heading toward Jerusalem for his suffering and
resurrection "that road is going to be the same for us."
"We will not evade that cross, we will not evade the confrontations
that come, but in Christ we will be able to carry our crosses ... and
be able to keep the promise we made to Peter, the church" and Christ,
he said. Seated near the altar was a delegation representing the leader
of the world's Orthodox believers, Ecumenical Orthodox Patriarch
Bartholomew of Constantinople. The patriarchate is based in Istanbul,
Turkey.
At the end of the Mass the pope and the head of the delegation,
Metropolitan John of Pergamon, prayed together at St. Peter's tomb
beneath the basilica's main altar. The patriarch sends a delegation to
the Vatican each year for the feast of Sts. Peter and Paul, the
Vatican's patron saints. This year, Pope Benedict is planning to go to
Turkey Nov. 28-30 to participate in the Orthodox church's celebration
of the Nov. 30 feast of St. Andrew, patron of the patriarchate.
Other guests at the pallium Mass included a 70-member choir from
Catholic Central High School in Grand Rapids, Mich., which along with
the Sistine Chapel Choir and an Italian choir provided music. In his
homily, the pope emphasized that the ministry of Peter and all Christ's
disciples is "a commitment to service." An archbishop's authority over
a church or an archdiocese, he said, is coupled with the responsibility
of caring for his flock, like the Good Shepherd.
Even though Peter was weak and failed Jesus, he was still called to
strengthen others because he had at last learned that building the
church is not a job done alone, but is done with others and with the
help of God, the pope said. During the ceremony, each archbishop came
up individually to the pope, bowed and knelt as the pope placed the
woolen stole over his head. The pope warmly shook hands with each one
and engaged in a brief conversation.
Archbishop DiNardo's twin sister, Peg Riesmeyer of McMurray, Pa., said
later that when she saw her brother kneel for his pallium she "got
teary-eyed" and thought how much she wished their parents, both of whom
have died, could have been there. "Dan always wanted to be a priest;
from the time he was 4, that's what he wanted to do," she said.
She said she always felt he was destined for great things since he
"seemed to have the will, the desire, the passion to become a priest,"
so receiving the pallium represents "a blessed, happy fulfillment of
what we always thought Dan could do and would become." Archbishop
DiNardo told CNS that becoming a new archbishop "means a great deal"
and that receiving the pallium gives "the sense of your responsibility
for the unity of your church."
He said Pope Benedict has referred to the pallium as "a sweet yoke,"
that is, a bittersweet responsibility to preserve the unity of the
church with Peter and his successors. Archbishop Wuerl told CNS that in
the Archdiocese of Washington Mass is celebrated each weekend in more
than 20 languages. The ethnic, linguistic and cultural traditions of
the city's people all are part of the church there, he said, and the
archbishop's job is "to highlight what we share -- one faith, one
baptism, one Lord -- and, at the same time, to rejoice in our
diversity." Archbishop Wuerl added that with the nation's capital being
in his archdiocese politics plays a big role. He said the church is not
partisan, but rather speaks about issues and values, "what is needed to
build a good and just society."
"In the pews are people with a range of political perspectives" and the
archbishop must ensure that "the voice of the church is not pre-empted
as a political voice," he said. Contributing to this story was Cindy
Wooden in Rome.
Denis Loubet
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I guess now we know what Jesus would do, he'd pat himself on the back.
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Pastor Kutchie
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
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least the Antichrist.
Zadok
"Sound of Strumpet" <> wrote in message ...
During the ceremony, each archbishop came
> up individually to the pope, bowed and knelt as the pope placed the
> woolen stole over his head.
In Acts 10: 25 - Cornelius fell down at the feet of Peter.
Peter tells him to STAND UP, I MYSELF ALSO AM A MAN.
Peter would not let anyone bow to him.
Of course the pope who tracks back to Paul the apostate, NOT Peter, has no
problem with fellow human beings, bowing to him.
The JOKE of the catho_licks.
duke
>> Pope tells new archbishops that evil (satan) will never defeat Christ,
>> church
>I guess now we know what Jesus would do, he'd pat himself on the back.
Not really, Jesus guaranteed same.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
duke
>Peter would not let anyone bow to him.
>Of course the pope who tracks back to Paul the apostate, NOT Peter, has no
>problem with fellow human beings, bowing to him.
Uh, no, the papacy tracks back to Peter. And people still don't bow to the
Pope.
>The JOKE of the catho_licks.
The joke is always on you atheists.
Zadok
"duck" <> wrote in message
And people still don't bow to the
> Pope.
Did you read the article you stupid clown.
During the ceremony, each archbishop came
up individually to the pope, bowed and knelt as the pope placed the
woolen stole over his head.
Can you even understand english.
Each archbishop came individually to the pope. bowed and knelt.
Now who the fuck do you think they bowed to??
I love it when you show what a clown you are!!
Smile.
spar...@my-deja.com
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"Hail to the Sun God!
He sure is a fun god!
Ra! Ra! Ra!"
2535 Dead
>On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 02:42:41 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dlo...@io.com> wrote:
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>>> Pope tells new archbishops that evil (satan) will never defeat Christ,
>>> church
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>>I guess now we know what Jesus would do, he'd pat himself on the back.
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>Not really, Jesus guaranteed same.
So Baptists are pretty stupid, worrying about what Satan's up to,
right?
>
>duke, American-American
>*****
>"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>Pope Paul VI
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duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 02:42:41 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dlo...@io.com> wrote:
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>>> Pope tells new archbishops that evil (satan) will never defeat Christ,
>>> church
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>>I guess now we know what Jesus would do, he'd pat himself on the back.
>
>Not really, Jesus guaranteed same.
>
Well, He'd rather do THAT than be nice to you and me...
Paul
Pastor Kutchie
duke wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 10:03:27 GMT, "Zadok" <nob...@accesswave.ca> wrote:
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> >Peter would not let anyone bow to him.
> >Of course the pope who tracks back to Paul the apostate, NOT Peter, has no
> >problem with fellow human beings, bowing to him.
>
> Uh, no, the papacy tracks back to Peter. And people still don't bow to the
> Pope.
>
> >The JOKE of the catho_licks.
>
> The joke is always on you atheists.
>
What joke? This joke?
>
> duke, American-American
> *****
> "Mass suicide is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Jim Jones
> *****
ROTFL.
Josef Balluch
WoT/SoT wrote:
> Pope: Satan Will Never Defeat Christ And The Church
How nice for you. So there really is no need for you to keep posting
your inane drivel.
Regards,
Josef
All fanaticism is a strategy to prevent doubt from becoming conscious.
-- H. A. Williams
Greywolf
"Josef Balluch" <josef....@sympatico.can> wrote in message
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> WoT/SoT wrote:
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>> Pope: Satan Will Never Defeat Christ And The Church
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Why of course not, silly. Satan isn't even trying. In fact, he's not even
'real'. So I'm sidin' with you on this one, partner. Now if we can only
convince everyone else that Jesus/God is imaginary too, we just might get
somewhere.
Greywolf
bam
"Pastor Kutchie" <use...@heathens.org.uk> wrote in message
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Well, it has to be one or the other. If the Catholic Church is not who it
professes to be, then surely it's the greatest impostor of all times. So the
non-Catholic Christians need to villainize it in order to justify
themselves. Once they allow the slightest possibility that it is not Satan -
poof - there goes Protestantism. This explains why they are so preoccupied
with building a case against the Church. You never see them exposing the
errors of Islam or Judaism, for instance, or even the differences between
Lutheranism and Presbyterianism. All efforts are directed against the
Catholic Church.
BAM
bam
"Zadok" <nob...@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
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He also washes the feet of twelve on Holy Thursday.
BAM
Gospel Bretts
The feet of twelve-year olds, you mean. Also their thighs and
buttocks. Bunch of sanctimonious pedo perverts.
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that whosoever would believe in Him would believe all sorts of
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(sound_of...@lycos.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
> Pope tells new archbishops that evil (satan) will never defeat Christ,
> church
And the Penguin will never defeat Batman & Robin.
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because satan and christ don't exist - how can something that doesn't exist
defeat something else that doesn't exist? the church, unfortunately, does
exist.
Doc Smartass
> Subject: Pope: Satan Will Never Defeat Christ And The Church
That's true--because there IS no "Satan." Those pants-around-the-ankles
kid-molesting pedopriest scumbags will be the downfall of the church.
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bam
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> On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:15:04 -0400, "bam"
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>>"Zadok" <nob...@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
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>>> "Sound of Strumpet" <> wrote in message ...
>>>
>>> During the ceremony, each archbishop came
>>>> up individually to the pope, bowed and knelt as the pope placed the
>>>> woolen stole over his head.
>>>
>>> In Acts 10: 25 - Cornelius fell down at the feet of Peter.
>>>
>>> Peter tells him to STAND UP, I MYSELF ALSO AM A MAN.
>>>
>>> Peter would not let anyone bow to him.
>>>
>>> Of course the pope who tracks back to Paul the apostate, NOT Peter, has
>>> no
>>> problem with fellow human beings, bowing to him.
>>>
>>> The JOKE of the catho_licks.
>>
>>He also washes the feet of twelve on Holy Thursday.
>>
>>BAM
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> The feet of twelve-year olds, you mean. Also their thighs and
> buttocks. Bunch of sanctimonious pedo perverts.
Bigot.
BAM
Santolina chamaecyparissus
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
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> Pope tells new archbishops that evil (satan) will never defeat Christ,
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That's right, the outcome is not in doubt.
Oh. Shoot. That means your religion is entirely pointless. Bad luck,
old fellow.
Santolina chamaecyparissus
duke wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 02:42:41 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dlo...@io.com> wrote:
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> >> Pope tells new archbishops that evil (satan) will never defeat Christ,
> >> church
>
> >I guess now we know what Jesus would do, he'd pat himself on the back.
>
> Not really, Jesus guaranteed same.
>
Damn, it's just hopeless from Satan's point of view, isn't it. Why
does he keep trying? Is he mentally ill or just a dumbfuck?
johac
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> Pope tells new archbishops that evil (satan) will never defeat Christ,
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The imaginary vs. the nonexistent.
--
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osprey
Well, when you think about it..
The third antichrist is supposed to be someone that basically all will
trust.
He is supposed to have a lot of charisma and power, he will be able to
influence millions. He will supposably have plans for world peace and
will cause many to think he is Christ returning.
I am not saying that the pope is the third antichrist, I am just saying
that if someone was in any position to fit the description, the pope
would probably be the best guess.
Also, think about the prophecies...about churches falling and so forth.
A lot of weird things are falling into place.
bam
"osprey" <noneed...@mail.com> wrote in message
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You're looking in the complete opposite direction.
BAM
Denis Loubet
"Santolina chamaecyparissus" <sant...@juno.com> wrote in message
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You know how the satan character could completely fuck up the god
character's plans? By doing nothing.
If there's no antichrist, then the whole thing falls apart.
Mike Painter
True, but he may be fighting for us.
More and more churches are telling us that being in the presence of God
defines heaven and that hell is the absence of this god.
Satan was in the presence of this god and decided to leave. So did many
others.
He lost the war, god wrote the book, and even then the evils god does to man
far exceeds what Satan has done.
Something's missing from the story.
duke
> And people still don't bow to the
>> Pope.
>Did you read the article you stupid clown.
Nope, didn't have to.
>During the ceremony, each archbishop came
>up individually to the pope, bowed and knelt as the pope placed the
>woolen stole over his head.
>Can you even understand english.
>Each archbishop came individually to the pope. bowed and knelt.
>Now who the fuck do you think they bowed to??
The position of Pope if anything.
>I love it when you show what a clown you are!!
>Smile.
You're so easy, z.
duke
>> Uh, no, the papacy tracks back to Peter. And people still don't bow to the
>> Pope.
>> >The JOKE of the catho_licks.
>> The joke is always on you atheists.
>What joke? This joke?
Yep, that joke is on you.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
duke
wrote:
>>>I guess now we know what Jesus would do, he'd pat himself on the back.
>>Not really, Jesus guaranteed same.
>So Baptists are pretty stupid, worrying about what Satan's up to,
>right?
Well, I suspect they are worried, but I'm not a Baptist.
duke
wrote:
>Damn, it's just hopeless from Satan's point of view, isn't it. Why
>does he keep trying? Is he mentally ill or just a dumbfuck?
He has too many atheists that keep biting to be discouraged.
duke
>> Damn, it's just hopeless from Satan's point of view, isn't it. Why
>> does he keep trying? Is he mentally ill or just a dumbfuck?
>You know how the satan character could completely fuck up the god
>character's plans? By doing nothing.
>If there's no antichrist, then the whole thing falls apart.
And everybody goes to heaven. Of course, you atheists will never throw in the
towel, so satan is in business for a long, long time to come.
duke
wrote:
>> If there's no antichrist, then the whole thing falls apart.
>True, but he may be fighting for us.
Maybe be? You are the very image of his success.
>More and more churches are telling us that being in the presence of God
>defines heaven and that hell is the absence of this god.
>Satan was in the presence of this god and decided to leave. So did many
>others.
Yep, forever.
>He lost the war, god wrote the book, and even then the evils god does to man
>far exceeds what Satan has done.
>Something's missing from the story.
Yeah, some intelligence on your part.
p.d...@comcast.net
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:40:35 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dlo...@io.com> wrote:
>
>>> Damn, it's just hopeless from Satan's point of view, isn't it. Why
>>> does he keep trying? Is he mentally ill or just a dumbfuck?
>>You know how the satan character could completely fuck up the god
>>character's plans? By doing nothing.
>>If there's no antichrist, then the whole thing falls apart.
>
>And everybody goes to heaven.
Where they're bored out of their minds...
Paul
Santolina chamaecyparissus
duke wrote:
> On 2 Jul 2006 20:17:29 -0700, "Santolina chamaecyparissus" <sant...@juno.com>
> wrote:
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> >Damn, it's just hopeless from Satan's point of view, isn't it. Why
> >does he keep trying? Is he mentally ill or just a dumbfuck?
>
> He has too many atheists that keep biting to be discouraged.
>
Simple question, Duke. Is there any chance that Satan will succeed?
Denis Loubet
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> On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:40:35 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dlo...@io.com> wrote:
>
>>> Damn, it's just hopeless from Satan's point of view, isn't it. Why
>>> does he keep trying? Is he mentally ill or just a dumbfuck?
>>You know how the satan character could completely fuck up the god
>>character's plans? By doing nothing.
>>If there's no antichrist, then the whole thing falls apart.
>
> And everybody goes to heaven. Of course, you atheists will never throw in
> the
> towel, so satan is in business for a long, long time to come.
Perhaps, but we sure screwed up the god's plan.
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Denis Loubet wrote:
> "duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:vdola29d5tdsjoi3e...@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:40:35 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dlo...@io.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> Damn, it's just hopeless from Satan's point of view, isn't it. Why
> >>> does he keep trying? Is he mentally ill or just a dumbfuck?
> >>You know how the satan character could completely fuck up the god
> >>character's plans? By doing nothing.
> >>If there's no antichrist, then the whole thing falls apart.
> >
> > And everybody goes to heaven. Of course, you atheists will never throw in
> > the
> > towel, so satan is in business for a long, long time to come.
>
> Perhaps, but we sure screwed up the god's plan.
Well, this "god" may be Satan in disguise. Think of it -- God is love,
yet supposedly anyone who doesn't believe a story with no evidence to
support it will spend an eternity in fire and agony. This includes
good people who lived loving, caring lives, but just didn't find the
story of Jesus convincing. How could such a god really be love. It
would be a rather vain and pompous god, who cares little about his
creation, and only loves those who flatter and praise. What kind of
god would that be? And wouldn't someone who leads a rebellion against
such a creature be a hero?
Oh course, Christians truly following the philosophy of the Jewish
pacifist philosopher Jesus really wouldn't embrace the kind of hell for
all non-believers theology I just described. And most Christians I
know don't really believe in hell.
So, either a) God is an asshole and Satan is launching an heroic
resistance against this pompous, vain deity, b) God is love, and those
who preach about fire and brimstone and think hell is there for all
non-believers are those who have been seduced by Satan and are doing
his bidding; or c) the whole thing is a bunch of mythological silliness.
Denis Loubet
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• Not those who are okay with the idea of singing a jealous,
narcissistic, bad-tempered diety kissy-ass songs for at least one
eternity. Some say that God created man in his own image, but it looks to
me like it may have happened the other way around.
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> "duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:vdola29d5tdsjoi3e...@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:40:35 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dlo...@io.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> Damn, it's just hopeless from Satan's point of view, isn't it. Why
> >>> does he keep trying? Is he mentally ill or just a dumbfuck?
> >>You know how the satan character could completely fuck up the god
> >>character's plans? By doing nothing.
> >>If there's no antichrist, then the whole thing falls apart.
> >
> > And everybody goes to heaven. Of course, you atheists will never throw in
> > the
> > towel, so satan is in business for a long, long time to come.
>
> Perhaps, but we sure screwed up the god's plan.
• In the end, humans will screw up this planet because of screwing each other.
•R L Measures
god_fre...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:44:43 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >On 2 Jul 2006 07:55:19 -0700, "Pastor Kutchie" <use...@heathens.org.uk>
wrote:
> >
> >>> Uh, no, the papacy tracks back to Peter. And people still don't bow
to the
> >>> Pope.
> >
> >>> >The JOKE of the catho_licks.
> >>> The joke is always on you atheists.
> >
> >>What joke? This joke?
> >
> >Yep, that joke is on you.
>
> When God created Satan did he intend Satan to defeat Christ and the church?
>
• You aren't supposed to think about such things, Barry.
cheers
nerfgun
osprey wrote:
> Well, when you think about it..
>
> The third antichrist is supposed to be someone that basically all will
> trust.
> He is supposed to have a lot of charisma and power, he will be able to
> influence millions. He will supposably have plans for world peace and
> will cause many to think he is Christ returning.
>
> I am not saying that the pope is the third antichrist, I am just saying
> that if someone was in any position to fit the description, the pope
> would probably be the best guess.
Then its not Pope Benedict. Have you *seen*that guy?!
Doubleplus unpretty.
firel...@hotmail.com
> Well, this "god" may be Satan in disguise. Think of it -- God is love,
> yet supposedly anyone who doesn't believe a story with no evidence to
> support it will spend an eternity in fire and agony.
According to their Job story, Satan is working for their
God and only does what God lets him do.
Creepy that they've got this story in their book, but still
believe God is their friend and Satan is their enemy.
--
Walt Smith
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>
> Then its not Pope Benedict. Have you *seen*that guy?!
>
> Doubleplus unpretty.
Yup. Actually, I find it quite reassuring that Pope Panzer IX looks like he
does. The problem with 'John Paul II' was that he was a nasty, delusional,
repressive, backward-looking, power-mad bigot who got away with it because
he looked cute and cuddly. Now we have his replacement: a nasty, delusional,
repressive, backward-looking, power-mad bigot who looks exactly like a
nasty, delusional, repressive, backward-looking, power-mad bigot. It means
*things can only get tougher* for the RCC...!
Mark D.
•R L Measures
> In article <r-0507060...@192.168.1.101>, •R L Measures
> I'm glad to see someone else saying what I've been saying for years.
• It's only too obvious.
>
> Most of the world's serious ills (the intractable problems like
> pollution, resource depletion, forest consumption, hole in ozone layer,
> greenhouse/global warming, shortage of fresh water....) can be traced
> back to one root cause: there are too many of us on the planet!
• Indeed.
>
> It pains me to say it but those nasty, hypocritical, control-freak,
> nazi-fascist christians got one thing right: STOP FUCKING!
• If people stopped, there wouldn't be enough altar-boys to attract men
to the priesthood.
>
> The general public is well and truly brainwashed into acccepting that
> "development" is a Good Thing. Unless a country's GDP does not grow by,
> say, 2 or 3 percent in a year, its government is in crisis.
>
> Some countries are in a serious panic because there is a slow drop in
> population (Russia, for example) and the government worries because
> there will not be enough workers paying taxes to pay for support for
> the old, retired folk.
>
> Well, politicians have, once again, only themselves to blame. That
> problem could've been avoided if, a hundred years ago, the pollies back
> then had recognized it as a problem and acted. A _slow_ reduction in
> the birthrate would have meant avoidance without negative side effects.
> But no, the fuckers cannot see beyond the next election and their own
> gold-plated retirement packages.
>
> Damned pity we can't bring them all back, shout "Told ya so!" in their
> faces then hang the fucking lot of them.
>
> Today's assholes are no better. They wring their hands, cry "Don't
> blame me. I wasn't around when those policies were implemented. Don't
> worry, we are with you in this difficult problem" then they go out,
> borrow another billion to fight a shitty (should that be Shi'itey?) war
> then whisper "Oh sorry, I'm late for golf."
>
> They need a total mindset transplant. Conventional solutions are no
> longer available. If they ever were.
>
> Although there are solutions, none is palatable. My suggestion (from
> the comfort of my armchair critic's armchair) would look something like
> this (Remember I'm a liberal. More liberal than anyone in here. But,
> though I hate it, only right-wing, control-freak solutions will work
> this time:‹
• The Right is opposed to all forms of abortion, and that increases population.
>
> 1 Implement serious population-control policies designed to slow
> growth _slowly_. Enforce them!
• Food production ability will control the problem quite naturally
through starvation.
>
> 2 Tell the old folk that the reality is they will be on their own. No
> government pensions, no other government support. Put your tongue
> firmly in your cheek, cross your fingers behind your back and _don't_
> mean it. Yes, lie to the poor old bastards. Force those who can, to
> swallow hard and take serious steps to provide for their old age. But
> secretly set aside a _fucking massive_ amount of money to look after
> the poor old buggers who simply cannot provide despite a genuine effort
> to try.
>
> 3 Those who could have provided but did not, give them a boat ticket
> to an island somewhere and say "DoSvidanya. Viel spaß."
• chortle
>
> 4 Eliminate many public spending programs, even the ones that have
> merit, in order to pay for it all. Start by eliminating 75% of military
> spending and 100% of agricultural subsidies. For all I know, that might
> be enough right there.
>
> 5 Cut in half the number of public servants. Politicians are the first
> to go. Get rid of 50% of the blood-sucking leeches. I promise you will
> notice no difference at all. Well, a small improvement.
>
> 6 Increase tax rates. Simplify to hell the tax regime. Look, for
> example, at New Zealand's GST (goods and services tax.) It is almost
> possible to impose a 15% GST and eliminate altogether income taxes. GST
> is easy to collect, difficult or impossible to evade. Everyone pays a
> fair share with no opportunity for sweetheart deals, exemptions, tax
> havens, kickbacks or a cash-based economy. Gross revenue will
> immediately rise substantially. This is not fantasy, New Zealand,
> Australia, Germany and others are solid, reality-based proofs.
• Good idea
>
> 7 Balance that fucking budget or go to jail.
• It takes a lot of money to keep people in jail.
>Meet inflation guidelines
> or lose your job. (You fucking public servant you)
>
> 8 Start repaying debt
>
> 9 Introduce a funded superannuation scheme. Every worker pays 6% of
> his income into the fund, his employer meets that with another 6%. When
> he retires, those contributions go to meet the obligation in #2 above.
> Non-workers are then looked after by the second half of #2.
>
> 10 Any politician or public servant caught on the take, send them to
> that same island. LIfetime exile. Get serious about corruption, waste,
> stupidity. Maybe introduce a Commissioner for Wisdom. Any moronic
> political plan must get past her first.
>
> 11 Never stop apologising to the electors for your moronic past
> behavior verging on criminal negligence of your obligation to run the
> country _honestly and wisely._
>
> 12 Get religion out of the minds of the poor little kids who are
> brainwashed daily with absurd bullshit.
• Amen, and don't exempt organized religions from paying their fair share
of tax.
bam
"ranDoM ark" <ranDoM a...@home.com> wrote in message
news:xlQqg.14262$ST2....@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
What an ignoramus. Shutup.
BAM
bam
"Barry OGrady" <god_fre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hsena29dh67htm6r2...@4ax.com...
>>wrote:
>>
>>>> Uh, no, the papacy tracks back to Peter. And people still don't bow to
>>>> the
>>>> Pope.
>>
>>>> >The JOKE of the catho_licks.
>>>> The joke is always on you atheists.
>>
>>>What joke? This joke?
>>
>>Yep, that joke is on you.
>
> church?
Of course not. So now that I've voluntarily backed myself into a corner,
what ridiculous conclusion do you intend to draw?
BAM
duke
wrote:
>>>> >The JOKE of the catho_licks.
>>>> The joke is always on you atheists.
>>>What joke? This joke?
>>Yep, that joke is on you.
>When God created Satan did he intend Satan to defeat Christ and the church?
Satan will never defeat Christ and the Church. Atheists don't have what it
takes.
duke
>> And everybody goes to heaven. Of course, you atheists will never throw in
>> the
>> towel, so satan is in business for a long, long time to come.
>Perhaps, but we sure screwed up the god's plan.
No you didn't. You don't have what it takes - never did, never will.
duke
wrote:
Nope. But hell will still be filled with volunteers.
duke
wrote:
>>>Damn, it's just hopeless from Satan's point of view, isn't it. Why
>>>does he keep trying? Is he mentally ill or just a dumbfuck?
>>He has too many atheists that keep biting to be discouraged.
>God won't allow him to stop.
Oh, God doesn't interfere. He just lets satan keep sucking in those atheist
volunteers until eventually all living people will choose God.
And the volunteers will wander aimlessly for all eternity. BRRR, what an
eternity to look forward to. But it's a volunteer thing, so I'm not worried. I
choose God.
Santolina chamaecyparissus
duke wrote:
> On 4 Jul 2006 18:52:25 -0700, "Santolina chamaecyparissus" <sant...@juno.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >duke wrote:
> >> On 2 Jul 2006 20:17:29 -0700, "Santolina chamaecyparissus" <sant...@juno.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Damn, it's just hopeless from Satan's point of view, isn't it. Why
> >> >does he keep trying? Is he mentally ill or just a dumbfuck?
> >>
> >> He has too many atheists that keep biting to be discouraged.
> >>
> >
> >Simple question, Duke. Is there any chance that Satan will succeed?
>
> Nope.
Thanks, that's all I need from you.
If anybody else out there would like to take a shot at explaining this
nonsensical religious belief, please do so now. Duke is not capable of
comprehending its obvious inanity, so his input is no longer required.
•R L Measures
<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:17:11 +1000, Barry OGrady <god_fre...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>>> >The JOKE of the catho_licks.
> >>>> The joke is always on you atheists.
>
> >>>What joke? This joke?
> >>Yep, that joke is on you.
>
> >When God created Satan did he intend Satan to defeat Christ and the church?
>
> Satan will never defeat Christ and the Church. Atheists don't have what it
> takes.
>
*** As I understand it, they don't believe in Satan either.
p.d...@comcast.net
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>wrote:
>
>>
>>duke wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Damn, it's just hopeless from Satan's point of view, isn't it. Why
>>> >does he keep trying? Is he mentally ill or just a dumbfuck?
>>>
>>> He has too many atheists that keep biting to be discouraged.
>>>
>>
>>Simple question, Duke. Is there any chance that Satan will succeed?
>
>Nope. But hell will still be filled with volunteers.
>
How many people will have to be shanghaied into Heaven?
Paul
Ray Fischer
>On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 01:51:25 +1000, Barry OGrady <god_fre...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>>Damn, it's just hopeless from Satan's point of view, isn't it. Why
>>>>does he keep trying? Is he mentally ill or just a dumbfuck?
>>>He has too many atheists that keep biting to be discouraged.
>>God won't allow him to stop.
>
>Oh, God doesn't interfere. He just lets satan keep sucking in those atheist
>volunteers until eventually all living people will choose God.
As opposed to you hate filled bigots? According to your Bible you're
lying when you claim that you love God.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
duke
They will one moment after they die.
Malcolm
"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 01:51:25 +1000, Barry OGrady
>><god_fre...@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>atheist
>>volunteers until eventually all living people will choose God.
>
> As opposed to you hate filled bigots? According to your Bible you're
> lying when you claim that you love God.
>
Your young adult son wants to start up a business. You know that the idea
will never make money. But if he is determined to go ahead, you might well
give him a reasonable amount of help, so that when the venture finally
fails, he knows it is because it was inherently flawed, not because daddy
put his foot down.
--
Buy my book 12 Common Atheist Arguments (refuted)
$1.25 download or $7.20 paper, available www.lulu.com/bgy1mm
BOB
news:fj2ra21uoukt8c2sg...@4ax.com:
> On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:43:44 -0700, r...@somis.org (紐 L Measures) wrote:
>
>>In article <qgdoa2hlflla93aos...@4ax.com>, duke
>><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:17:11 +1000, Barry OGrady
>>> <god_fre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>> >The JOKE of the catho_licks.
>>> >>>> The joke is always on you atheists.
>>>
>>> >>>What joke? This joke?
>>> >>Yep, that joke is on you.
>>>
>>> >When God created Satan did he intend Satan to defeat Christ and the
>>> >church?
>>>
>>> Satan will never defeat Christ and the Church. Atheists don't have
>>> what it takes.
>>>
>>*** As I understand it, they don't believe in Satan either.
>
> They will one moment after they die.
>
..or not, puke.
And why must anyone wait until "one moment after they die" to find out if
your mythical "god" or "satan" exists? Can't you xtian kooks show
evidence of it's existence now?
•R L Measures
<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:43:44 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R L Measures) wrote:
>
> >In article <qgdoa2hlflla93aos...@4ax.com>, duke
> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:17:11 +1000, Barry OGrady <god_fre...@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>>> >The JOKE of the catho_licks.
> >> >>>> The joke is always on you atheists.
> >>
> >> >>>What joke? This joke?
> >> >>Yep, that joke is on you.
> >>
> >> >When God created Satan did he intend Satan to defeat Christ and the
church?
> >>
> >> Satan will never defeat Christ and the Church. Atheists don't have what it
> >> takes.
> >>
> >*** As I understand it, they don't believe in Satan either.
>
> They will one moment after they die.
>• You are guessing, Duke.
BOB
news:r-0607061...@192.168.1.101:
My only regret is that puke and the other religious kooks will never know
they were wrong. Pity.
•R L Measures
• more guessing.
cheers
>
BOB
Logic, common sense and the odds greatly favor my view.
Cheers.
•R L Measures
• hubris likely fits in there somewhere.
duke
wrote:
>>>Perhaps, but we sure screwed up the god's plan.
>>No you didn't. You don't have what it takes - never did, never will.
>Duke is right. God created Satan to screw with us.
In a way, you are right, for YOU are satan's minion. YOU are the one that tells
God "no".
duke
wrote:
>> >Simple question, Duke. Is there any chance that Satan will succeed?
>> Nope.
>Thanks, that's all I need from you.
>If anybody else out there would like to take a shot at explaining this
>nonsensical religious belief, please do so now. Duke is not capable of
>comprehending its obvious inanity, so his input is no longer required.
Oh, it makes full sense. Hell is filled with volunteers who elected to be left
behind. Now it you want to call that an atheist success, be my guest.
duke
wrote:
>>If anybody else out there would like to take a shot at explaining this
>>nonsensical religious belief, please do so now. Duke is not capable of
>>comprehending its obvious inanity, so his input is no longer required.
>Allow me to try.
>God always hated everything, but he didn't want to be seen as the evil bastard
>that he is, so he created Satan as his skapegoat.
No, that won't fly. God gives you every chance, but you volunteer for an
eternity of torment in hell with satan.
duke
wrote:
>>Oh, God doesn't interfere. He just lets satan keep sucking in those atheist
>>volunteers until eventually all living people will choose God.
>That's the way all evil tyrants work. They kill off the dissenters so that only
>their followers survive.
But God doesn't kill you off. Tyrants do that. God lets you volunteer.
>>And the volunteers will wander aimlessly for all eternity. BRRR, what an
>>eternity to look forward to. But it's a volunteer thing, so I'm not worried. I
>>choose God.
>Its lucky for you that you do, for God is intolerant of those who do not, uh, choose
>him.
Actually, if you tell him you want nothing to do with him, he lets you have your
way. Hell is strictly a volunteer action.
duke
>>Oh, God doesn't interfere. He just lets satan keep sucking in those atheist
>>volunteers until eventually all living people will choose God.
>As opposed to you hate filled bigots? According to your Bible you're
>lying when you claim that you love God.
Nah, Aramaic-to-Greek translation problem. Christ gave us a new commandment -
that we love one another as he loves us. John 13:34.
Remember, hell is filled with volunteers.
•R L Measures
<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> On 5 Jul 2006 15:17:41 -0700, "Santolina chamaecyparissus"
<sant...@juno.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> >Simple question, Duke. Is there any chance that Satan will succeed?
> >> Nope.
> >Thanks, that's all I need from you.
>
> >If anybody else out there would like to take a shot at explaining this
> >nonsensical religious belief, please do so now. Duke is not capable of
> >comprehending its obvious inanity, so his input is no longer required.
>
> Oh, it makes full sense. Hell is filled with volunteers who elected to
be left
> behind. Now it you want to call that an atheist success, be my guest.
>
• Since Hell is inhabited by legions of succubi in eternal heat, guy
volunteers are needed to give 'em the meat.
Gospel Bretts
>On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:30:48 +1000, Barry OGrady <god_fre...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>If anybody else out there would like to take a shot at explaining this
>>>nonsensical religious belief, please do so now. Duke is not capable of
>>>comprehending its obvious inanity, so his input is no longer required.
>
>>Allow me to try.
>>God always hated everything, but he didn't want to be seen as the evil bastard
>>that he is, so he created Satan as his skapegoat.
>
>No, that won't fly. God gives you every chance, but you volunteer for an
>eternity of torment in hell with satan.
>
God, if He exists, deliberately tricks us into thinking that He
doesn't. What an asshole.
--
Gospel Bretts
aa Atheist #2262
Fundy Xian Atheist
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whosoever would believe in Him would believe all sorts of
other ridiculous nonsense as well.
Gospel Bretts
>On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:27:30 +1000, Barry OGrady <god_fre...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>Oh, God doesn't interfere. He just lets satan keep sucking in those atheist
>>>volunteers until eventually all living people will choose God.
>
>>That's the way all evil tyrants work. They kill off the dissenters so that only
>>their followers survive.
>
>But God doesn't kill you off. Tyrants do that. God lets you volunteer.
>
>>>And the volunteers will wander aimlessly for all eternity. BRRR, what an
>>>eternity to look forward to. But it's a volunteer thing, so I'm not worried. I
>>>choose God.
>
>>Its lucky for you that you do, for God is intolerant of those who do not, uh, choose
>>him.
>
>Actually, if you tell him you want nothing to do with him, he lets you have your
>way. Hell is strictly a volunteer action.
>
Pot kettle, Duke. Leave the Whore before it's too late.
"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my
people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not
of her plagues." (Revelation 18:4)
Gospel Bretts
>On 06 Jul 2006 06:21:48 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>>Oh, God doesn't interfere. He just lets satan keep sucking in those atheist
>>>volunteers until eventually all living people will choose God.
>
>>As opposed to you hate filled bigots? According to your Bible you're
>>lying when you claim that you love God.
>
>Nah, Aramaic-to-Greek translation problem.
i.e. the Roman church butchered the bible to fit its own heresy.
Gospel Bretts
>On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:28:22 +1000, Barry OGrady <god_fre...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>>Perhaps, but we sure screwed up the god's plan.
>>>No you didn't. You don't have what it takes - never did, never will.
>>Duke is right. God created Satan to screw with us.
>
>In a way, you are right, for YOU are satan's minion. YOU are the one that tells
>God "no".
>
"And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with
the blood of the martyrs of Jesus" (Revelation 17:6)
Hatt...@gmail.com
osprey wrote:
.
>
> Also, think about the prophecies...about churches falling and so forth.
> A lot of weird things are falling into place.
Bah, that's just a 99 quatrain problem(I.e. Wheels on the Bus problem
if you watch Penn and Teller) as to a weird poetic ancient book filled
with vaugeries, a lot of prophies are ALWAYS falling into place at any
given point in history.
Hatter
•R L Measures
brett...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 08:27:59 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:30:48 +1000, Barry OGrady <god_fre...@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>>If anybody else out there would like to take a shot at explaining this
> >>>nonsensical religious belief, please do so now. Duke is not capable of
> >>>comprehending its obvious inanity, so his input is no longer required.
> >
> >>Allow me to try.
> >>God always hated everything, but he didn't want to be seen as the evil
bastard
> >>that he is, so he created Satan as his skapegoat.
> >
> >No, that won't fly. God gives you every chance, but you volunteer for an
> >eternity of torment in hell with satan.
> >
>
> God, if He exists, deliberately tricks us into thinking that He
> doesn't. What an asshole.
>
> --
>
> Gospel Bretts
> aa Atheist #2262
> Fundy Xian Atheist
>
> For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,
• Gave? I thought His Son was still with Him in the happy place.
łI have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented
myself from Christian assemblies.˛
-- Benjamin Franklin
BOB
192.168.1.101:
Perhaps, but I prefer to go with the reasons that I mentioned just above.
You, of course, are certainly entitled to your own opinion.
Gospel Bretts
>In article <94ssa2t8gcf0o20mn...@4ax.com>,
>brett...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,
>
>• Gave? I thought His Son was still with Him in the happy place.
>
U ned 2b borned agenn RL & go 2 church & be save. U ned 2 reed the
bible & beleive it so u wont go 2 hell when u dye.
•R L Measures
Gospel Bretts
LOL. Yeah, it wouldn't work for me either. :)
--
Gospel Bretts
aa Atheist #2262
Fundy Xian Atheist
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,
Santolina chamaecyparissus
duke wrote:
> On 5 Jul 2006 15:17:41 -0700, "Santolina chamaecyparissus" <sant...@juno.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> >Simple question, Duke. Is there any chance that Satan will succeed?
> >> Nope.
> >Thanks, that's all I need from you.
>
> >If anybody else out there would like to take a shot at explaining this
> >nonsensical religious belief, please do so now. Duke is not capable of
> >comprehending its obvious inanity, so his input is no longer required.
>
> Oh, it makes full sense.
Hush, I'm not interested in the goings-on in Dukeland. The
reality-based community is trying to have a discussion here.
Ray Fischer
>>>Oh, God doesn't interfere. He just lets satan keep sucking in those atheist
>>>volunteers until eventually all living people will choose God.
>
>>As opposed to you hate filled bigots? According to your Bible you're
>>lying when you claim that you love God.
>
>Nah, Aramaic-to-Greek translation problem. Christ gave us a new commandment -
>that we love one another as he loves us. John 13:34.
Which you obviously disregard. You show llittle but hatred and
contempt for people that you do not approve of.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
duke
>>>*** As I understand it, they don't believe in Satan either.
>> They will one moment after they die.
>..or not, puke.
Christian: win/no win. Atheist: lose/no win. Now win comes into play if
there is no almighty God.
>And why must anyone wait until "one moment after they die" to find out if
>your mythical "god" or "satan" exists? Can't you xtian kooks show
>evidence of it's existence now?
I have provided evidence many times. But I can't provide proof. And that is
why you and I will find out for sure one moment after we die.
Remember, at that point, it's too late to change your mind.
duke
>My only regret is that puke and the other religious kooks will never know
>they were wrong. Pity.
What's worst is that you WILL find out if you are wrong. But by then it's too
late.
duke
>>> Logic, common sense and the odds greatly favor my view.
>> • hubris likely fits in there somewhere.
>Perhaps, but I prefer to go with the reasons that I mentioned just above.
>You, of course, are certainly entitled to your own opinion.
Actually, logic and common sense all dictate that God exists. The concept of
existence with no creation boggles the mind.
Maxwell Edison
duckg...@cox.net says...
> On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:43:43 GMT, BOB <s...@sd.net> wrote:
>
>
> >>>*** As I understand it, they don't believe in Satan either.
> >> They will one moment after they die.
> >..or not, puke.
>
>
> Christian: win/no win. Atheist: lose/no win. Now win comes into play if
> there is no almighty God.
>
> >And why must anyone wait until "one moment after they die" to find out if
> >your mythical "god" or "satan" exists? Can't you xtian kooks show
> >evidence of it's existence now?
>
> I have provided evidence many times. But I can't provide proof. And that is
> why you and I will find out for sure one moment after we die.
>
> Remember, at that point, it's too late to change your mind.
That's right, you are going to remain dead. So why, while you are
alive, do you live a fairy tale?
--
"There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action." - Johann
Goethe
Ray Fischer
>>>>*** As I understand it, they don't believe in Satan either.
>>> They will one moment after they die.
>>..or not, puke.
>
>
>Christian: win/no win. Atheist: lose/no win. Now win comes into play if
>there is no almighty God.
You lose if you've picked the wrong religion.
There are hundreds to choose from.
>>And why must anyone wait until "one moment after they die" to find out if
>>your mythical "god" or "satan" exists? Can't you xtian kooks show
>>evidence of it's existence now?
>
>I have provided evidence many times.
Your insanity is not evidence of God.
> But I can't provide proof.
How about that.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
BOB
news:s5gva295cbkdb1jtd...@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:43:43 GMT, BOB <s...@sd.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>>*** As I understand it, they don't believe in Satan either.
>>> They will one moment after they die.
>>..or not, puke.
>
>
> Christian: win/no win. Atheist: lose/no win. Now win comes into
> play if there is no almighty God.
>
Then "lose/no win" it is puke, unless one of you xtian kooks can prove
the existence of your imaginary "god".
>>And why must anyone wait until "one moment after they die" to find out
>>if your mythical "god" or "satan" exists? Can't you xtian kooks show
>>evidence of it's existence now?
>
> I have provided evidence many times.
Liar. Neither you nor anyone else has ever provided any evidence of the
existence of any mythical "god", puke.
> But I can't provide proof.
Of course you can't, puke, because there isn't any "god" except in your
imagination.
> And
> that is why you and I will find out for sure one moment after we die.
>
You never answered this question, puke. "Why must anyone wait until "one
moment after they die" to find out if your mythical 'god' or 'satan'
exists"? Why can't they find out now?
> Remember, at that point, it's too late to change your mind.
>
That "point" will never occur, puke. You are brainwashed and delusional.
BOB
news:uagva2d7i2q9upra5...@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 02:01:15 GMT, BOB <s...@sd.net> wrote:
>
>>My only regret is that puke and the other religious kooks will never
>>know they were wrong. Pity.
>
> What's worst is that you WILL find out if you are wrong. But by then
> it's too late.
>
I have nothing to worry about, puke, but look at the bright side, you don't
either. You are brainwashed and delusional in life and once you die, you
are gone. There is no "god" and there is no "afterlife".
clitteigh
concept of some yo-yo no better than you as some "messenger" or liaison
to an equally unlikly "god." Organized religion and its adherents,
especially catholic christians and muslims, the great DIVIDERS, are
today the absolute bane of world peace, prosperity, freedom, and
happiness. And someday, humans far more advanced than we, will abolish
the scourge of religion!
As Einstein said:
"I cannot conceive of a god who rewards and punishes his creatures or
has a will of the kind we experience in ourselves. Neither can I--nor
would I want to--conceive of an individual that survives his physical
death. Let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egotism, cherish such
thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and
a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together
with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny,
of the Reason that manifests itself in nature."
=====
Santolina chamaecyparissus wrote:
> duke wrote:
> > On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 02:42:41 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dlo...@io.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> Pope tells new archbishops that evil (satan) will never defeat Christ,
> > >> church
> >
> > >I guess now we know what Jesus would do, he'd pat himself on the back.
> >
> > Not really, Jesus guaranteed same.
> >
>
> Damn, it's just hopeless from Satan's point of view, isn't it. Why
> does he keep trying? Is he mentally ill or just a dumbfuck?
clitteigh
concept of some yo-yo no better than you as some "messenger" or liaison
especially catholic christians and muslims, the great DIVIDERS, are
today the absolute bane of world peace, prosperity, freedom, and
happiness. And someday, humans far more advanced than we, will abolish
the scourge of religion!
As Einstein said:
"I cannot conceive of a god who rewards and punishes his creatures or
has a will of the kind we experience in ourselves. Neither can I--nor
would I want to--conceive of an individual that survives his physical
death. Let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egotism, cherish such
thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and
a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together
with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny,
of the Reason that manifests itself in nature."
=====
·R L Measures wrote:
> In article <fj2ra21uoukt8c2sg...@4ax.com>, duke
> <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:43:44 -0700, r...@somis.org (·R L Measures) wrote:
> >
> > >In article <qgdoa2hlflla93aos...@4ax.com>, duke
> > ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:17:11 +1000, Barry OGrady <god_fre...@yahoo.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >>>> >The JOKE of the catho_licks.
> > >> >>>> The joke is always on you atheists.
> > >>
> > >> >>>What joke? This joke?
> > >> >>Yep, that joke is on you.
> > >>
> > >> >When God created Satan did he intend Satan to defeat Christ and the
> church?
> > >>
> > >> Satan will never defeat Christ and the Church. Atheists don't have what it
> > >> takes.
> > >>
> > >*** As I understand it, they don't believe in Satan either.
> >
> > They will one moment after they die.
>
> >· You are guessing, Duke.
shrikeback
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:0egva2l1ggi4ngph1...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 16:37:36 GMT, BOB <s...@sd.net> wrote:
>
>>>> Logic, common sense and the odds greatly favor my view.
>
>>Perhaps, but I prefer to go with the reasons that I mentioned just above.
>>You, of course, are certainly entitled to your own opinion.
>
> Actually, logic and common sense all dictate that God exists.
Since when?
God cannot prove this sentence is true. Clearly that sentence is
true, or it would be false and god could prove a false thing to
be true.
> The concept of
> existence with no creation boggles the mind.
God would be existence with no creation, so the mind boggling
isn't really exorcised by Him.
shrikeback
> On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:43:43 GMT, BOB <s...@sd.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>>*** As I understand it, they don't believe in Satan either.
>>> They will one moment after they die.
>>..or not, puke.
>
>
> Christian: win/no win.
It seems to me that the Chrisitan is no win/ no win, because Heaven
looks just as bad as Hell. Really, it's like 1984 with everyone
worshipping Kim Jung Il. The Christian Heaven is such a totalitarian
state that He doesn't need secret police. He spies on your every
thought.
I say we need elections in Heaven. It's about time we threw the
bastard out.
> Atheist: lose/no win.
Nothing much can be said about nothingness. It is, however,
possible for nothingness to represent a victory.
> Now win comes into play if
> there is no almighty God.
That doesn't follow.
>>And why must anyone wait until "one moment after they die" to find out if
>>your mythical "god" or "satan" exists? Can't you xtian kooks show
>>evidence of it's existence now?
>
> I have provided evidence many times. But I can't provide proof. And that
> is
> why you and I will find out for sure one moment after we die.
>
> Remember, at that point, it's too late to change your mind.
It's already too late. All those who will be saved was written in the
Book of Life at the beginning of time. Predestination, Fate, whatever
you call it, is incompatible with the Christian idea of Free Will. And
Christians believe in both. If you assume a self-contradiction
like that to be true, by a previously shown result, you can prove anything
to be true.
BOB
news:tg_rg.1419$pB.1139@trnddc06:
xtian kooks like puke don't want to hear all that sensible logic,
Shrikeback, it puts a damper on their cult beliefs.
>
>