The book of Enoch
David' Chariot
Terry wrote:
>
> Hi
> Thanks for posting that. I have been meaning to read
> some of the book of Enoch. I was pleased to find
> that it jives nicely with the message of our cannonized
> books. Can you give us any background on the book?
> Such as its age.
>
> Terry
>
> "David' Chariot" <beth_ma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Peace be with you through our Lord Jesus Christ
> > And to Almighty God the Glory for ever and ever
>
Furthermore, this information is available on the net, alas, the
address was not recorded, but a search on 'enoch+book' should result
in adequate information to quell any inquiry.
-BEGIN
About the Book of Enoch
(also known as "Ethiopian Enoch" or "1 Enoch")
The Book of Enoch (also known as 1 Enoch) was once cherished by Jews
and Christians alike, this book later fell into disfavor with powerful
theologians - precisely because of its controversial statements on the
nature and deeds of the fallen angels.
The Enochian writings, in addition to many other writings that were
excluded (or lost) from the Bible (i.e., the Book of Tobit, Esdras,
etc.) were widely recognized by many of the early church fathers as
"apocryphal" writings. The term "apocrypha" is derived from the Greek
word meaning "hidden" or "secret". Originally, the import of the term
may have been complimentary in that the term was applied to sacred
books whose contents were too exalted to be made available to the
general public.
In Dan. 12:9-10 we hear of words that are shut up until the end of time
and, words that the wise shall understand and the wicked shall not. In
addition, 4 Ezra 14:44ff. mentions 94 books, of which 24 (the OT) were
to be published and 70 were to be delivered only to the wise among the
people (= apocrypha). Gradually, the term "apocrypha" took on a
pejorative connotation, for the orthodoxy of these hidden books was
often questionable. Origen (Comm. in Matt. 10.18; p. 13.881)
distinguished between books that were to be read in public worship and
apocryphal books. Because these secret books were often preserved for
use within the esoteric circles of the divinely - knit believers, many
of
the critically - spirited or "unenlightened" Church Fathers found
themselves outside the realm of understanding, and therefore came to
apply the term "apocryphal" to, what they claimed to be, heretical works
which were forbidden to be read.
In Protestant parlance, "the Apocrypha" designate 15 works, all but one
of which are Jewish in origin and found in the Septuagint (parts of 2
Esdras are Christian and Latin in origin). Although some of them were
composed in Palestine in Aramaic or Hebrew, they were not accepted into
the Jewish canon formed late in the 2nd cent. AD (Canonicity, 67:31-35).
The Reformers, influenced by the Jewish canon of the OT, did not
consider these books on a par with the rest of the Scriptures; thus the
custom arose of making the Apocrypha a separate section in the
Protestant Bible, or sometimes even of omitting them entirely
(Canonicity, 67:44-46). The Catholic view, expressed as a doctrine of
faith at the Council of Trent, is that 12 of these 15 works (in a
different enumeration, however) are canonical Scripture; they are called
the Deuterocanonical Books (Canonicity, 67:21, 42-43).
The three books of the Protestant Apocrypha that are not accepted by
Catholics are 1-2 Esdras and the Prayer of Manasseh. The theme of the
Book of Enoch dealing with the nature and deeds of the fallen angels so
infuriated the later Church fathers that one, Filastrius, actually
condemned it openly as heresy (Filastrius, Liber de Haeresibus, no.
108). Nor did the rabbis deign to give credence to the book's teaching
about angels. Rabbi Simeon ben Jochai in the second century A.D.
pronounced a curse upon those who believed it (Delitzsch, p. 223).
So the book was denounced, banned, cursed, no doubt burned and
shredded - and last but not least, lost (and conveniently forgotten) for
a
thousand years. But with an uncanny persistence, the Book of Enoch found
its way back into circulation two centuries ago.
In 1773, rumors of a surviving copy of the book drew Scottish explorer
James Bruce to distant Ethiopia. True to hearsay, the Book of Enoch had
been preserved by the Ethiopic church, which put it right alongside the
other books of the Bible. Bruce secured not one, but three Ethiopic
copies of the book and brought them back to Europe and Britain. When in
1821 Dr. Richard Laurence, a Hebrew professor at Oxford, produced the
first English translation of the work, the modern world gained its first
glimpse of the forbidden mysteries of Enoch.
Most scholars say that the present form of the story in the Book of
Enoch was penned sometime during the second century B.C. and was popular
for at least five hundred years. The earliest Ethiopic text was
apparently made from a Greek manuscript of the Book of Enoch, which
itself was a copy of an earlier text. The original was apparently
written in Semitic language, now thought to be Aramaic.
Though it was once believed to be post-Christian (the similarities to
Christian terminology and teaching are striking), recent discoveries of
copies of the book among the Dead Sea Scrolls found at Qumran prove that
the book was in existence before the time of Jesus Christ. But the date
of the original writing upon which the second century B.C. Qumran copies
were based is shrouded in obscurity. It is, in a word, old. It has been
largely the opinion of historians that the book does not really contain
the authentic words of the ancient biblical patriarch Enoch, since he
would have lived (based on the chronologies in the Book of Genesis)
several thousand years earlier than the first known appearance of the
book attributed to him.
Despite its unknown origins, Christians once accepted the words of this
Book of Enoch as authentic scripture, especially the part about the
fallen angels and their prophesied judgment. In fact, many of the key
concepts used by Jesus Christ himself seem directly connected to terms
and ideas in the Book of Enoch. Thus, it is hard to avoid the
conclusion that Jesus had not only studied the book, but also respected
it highly enough to adopt and elaborate on its specific descriptions of
the coming kingdom and its theme of inevitable judgment descending upon
"the wicked" - the term most often used in the Old Testament to describe
the Watchers.
There is abundant proof that Christ approved of the Book of Enoch. Over
a hundred phrases in the New Testament find precedents in the Book of
Enoch. Another remarkable bit of evidence for the early Christians'
acceptance of the Book of Enoch was for many years buried under the King
James Bible's mistranslation of Luke 9:35, describing the
transfiguration of Christ: "And there came a voice out of the cloud,
saying, 'This is my beloved Son: hear him." Apparently the translator
here wished to make this verse agree with a similar verse in Matthew and
Mark. But Luke's verse in the original Greek reads: "This is my Son, the
Elect One (from the Greek ho eklelegmenos, lit., "the elect one"): hear
him." The "Elect One" is a most significant term (found fourteen times)
in the Book of Enoch. If the book was indeed known to the apostles of
Christ, with its abundant descriptions of the Elect One who should "sit
upon the throne of glory" and the Elect One who should "dwell in the
midst of them," then the great scriptural authenticity is accorded to
the Book of Enoch when the "voice out of the cloud" tells the apostles,
"This is my Son, the Elect One" - the one promised in the Book of Enoch.
The Book of Jude tells us in vs. 14 that "Enoch, the seventh from Adam,
prophesied..." Jude also, in vs. 15, makes a direct reference to the
Book of Enoch (2:1), where he writes, "to execute judgment on all, to
convict all who are ungodly..." The time difference between Enoch and
Jude is approximately 3400 years. Therefore, Jude's reference to the
Enochian prophesies strongly leans toward the conclusion that these
written prophesies were available to him at that time.
Fragments of ten Enoch manuscripts were found among the Dead Sea
Scrolls. The famous scrolls actually comprise only one part of the
total findings at Qumran. Much of the rest was Enochian literature,
copies of the Book of Enoch, and other apocryphal works in the Enochian
tradition, like the Book of Jubilees. With so many copies around, the
Essenes could well have used the Enochian writings as a community prayer
book or teacher's manual and study text.
The Book of Enoch was also used by writers of the noncanonical (i.e.
apocryphal or "hidden") texts. The author of the apocryphal Epistle of
Barnabas quotes the Book of Enoch three times, twice calling it "the
Scripture," a term specifically denoting the inspired Word of God (Epis.
of Barnabas 4:3, 16:5,6). Other apocryphal works reflect knowledge of
the Enoch story of the Watchers, notably the Testaments of the Twelve
Patriarchs and the Book of Jubilees.
Many of the early church fathers also supported the Enochian writings.
Justin Martyr ascribed all evil to demons whom he alleged to be the
offspring of the angels who fell through lust for women (from the
Ibid.)-directly referencing the Enochian writings. Athenagoras, writing
in his work called Legatio in about 170 A.D., regards Enoch as a true
prophet. He describes the angels which "violated both their own nature
and their office." In his writings, he goes into detail about the
nature of fallen angels and the cause of their fall, which comes
directly from the Enochian writings.
Many other church fathers: Tatian (110-172); Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons
(115-185); Clement of Alexandria (150-220); Tertullian (160-230); Origen
(186-255); Lactantius (260-330); in addition to: Methodius of Philippi,
Minucius Felix, Commodianus, and Ambrose of Milanalso-also approved of
and supported the Enochian writings.
The twentieth-century discovery of several Aramaic Enochian texts among
the Dead Sea Scrolls prompted Catholic scholar J.T. Milik to compile a
complete history of the Enochian writings, including translations of the
Aramaic manuscripts. Milik's 400-page book, published in 1976 by Oxford
(J. T. Milik, ed. and trans., The Books of Enoch: Aramaic Fragments of
Qumran Cave 4, Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1976) is a milestone in Enochian
scholarship, and Milik himself is no doubt one of the finest experts on
the subject. His opinions, based as they are on years of in-depth
research, are highly respected.
One by one the arguments against the Book of Enoch fade away. The day
may soon arrive when the final complaints about the Book of Enoch's lack
of historicity and "late date" are also silenced by new evidence of the
book's real antiquity.
- END
Peace be with you through our Lord Jesus Christ
And to Almighty God the Glory for ever and ever
David' Chariot
Terry wrote:
>
> Hi
> Thanks for posting that. I have been meaning to read
> some of the book of Enoch. I was pleased to find
> that it jives nicely with the message of our cannonized
> books. Can you give us any background on the book?
> Such as its age.
>
> Terry
Encyclopaedia Britannica Macropaedia
Biblical Literature Section
BEGIN QUOTE
"THE BOOK OF ENOCH
Another book that was written during the period of the apocalyptic
movement in which the Dead Sea sect came into existence is the Book
of Enoch, or I Enoch. It was completely preserved in an Ethiopic
translation from Greek, and large parts from the beginning and end of
the Greek version have been published from two papyri. Aramaic
fragments of many parts of the book were found among the Dead Sea
Scrolls, as were Hebrew fragments of the Book of Noah, either one of
the sources of Enoch or a parallel elaboration of the same material.
Passages of the Book of Noah were included in Enoch by its redactor
(editor). Scholars generally agree that the somewhat haphazard
redaction of the book was made in its Greek stage, when a redactor
put together various treatises of the Enochic literature that were
written at various times and reflected various trends of the movement.
Besides the passages from the Book of Noah, five treatises are included
in the Book of Enoch. The hero of all of them is the biblical Enoch.
The first treatise (chapters 1 - 36) speaks about the fall of the
angels, who rebelled before the Flood, and describes Enoch's celestial
journeys, in which divine secrets were revealed to him. It was probably
written in the late 2nd century BCE.
The second part of the Book of Enoch is the "Parables" (or Similitudes)
of Enoch (37-71). These three eschatological sermons of Enoch refer to
visions; their original language was probably Hebrew rather than
Aramaic. This treatise is an important witness for the belief in the
coming of the Son of man, who is expressly identified with the Messiah;
in chapters 70-71, which are probably a later addition, the Son of man
is identified with Enoch himself. The treatise probably dates from the
1st century BCE.
As Aramaic fragments from the Dead Sea Scrolls show, the astronomical
book entitled "The Book of the Heavenly Luminaries" (chapters 72-82) is
in the present form abbreviated in the Book of Enoch. All these
astronomical mysteries were shown to Enoch by the angel Uriel. The
treatise propagates the same solar calendar that is also known from the
Book of Jubilees and from the Dead Sea sect. This treatise was probably
written before the year 100 BCE.
The fourth treatise (chapters 83-90) contains two visions of Enoch: the
first (chapters 83-84), about the Flood, is in reality only a sort of
introduction to the second one ("the vision of seventy shepherds"),
which describes the history of the world from Adam to the messianic age;
the personages of the visions are allegorically described as various
kinds of animals. the symbolic description of history continues to the
time of Judas Maccabeus; then follows the last assault of Gentiles and
the messianic period. Thus, the treatise was written in the early
Hasmonean period some time after the biblical Book of Daniel.
The fifth treatise (chapters 91-107) contains Enoch's speech of moral
admonition to his family. The moral stress and the social impact is
similar to parts of Jesus' teaching; even the form of beatitudes
(blessing) and woes is present. The treatise shows some affinities to
the Dead Sea Scrolls, but the author was not a member of the Dead Sea
sect; he opposes the central teaching of the sect, the doctrine of
predestination (98:4-5). The treatise apparently was written at the
end of the 1st century BCE. Chapter 105, lacking in the Greek version,
is a late interpolation, probably of Christian origin.
The author of the treatise himself apparently incorporated into it a
small apocalypse, the "Apocalypse of Weeks" (93:1-10; 91:12-17); in it
the whole human history is divided into ten weeks; seven of them belong
to the past and the last three to the future."
END QUOTE
Griz
Griz
David' Chariot
Griz wrote:
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> In the future Dave, please provide a link rather than a whopping 211kb post.
>
> Griz
Peace be with you through our Lord Jesus Christ
Darren Osland
That seems to be a pathetic attempt at an apology, lol
David' Chariot
There is no apology, was none and will not be one in the future.
This is a newsgroup and it is a relevant issue.
Peace be with you through our Lord Jesus Christ
And to Almighty God the Glory for ever and ever
Raymond
>
> There is no apology, was none and will not be one in the future.
>
> This is a newsgroup and it is a relevant issue.
What Newsgroup? Each newsgroup have its own relevant issues, which one are you using as
this seems to be linked to 9 differant NG and it could not be relevant to all of them.
Sounds like pure pride with no apology and none in the future, are you saying you have
some powers so you know the future?
Griz
>you using as
>this seems to be linked to 9 differant NG and it could not be relevant to
all of >them.
>Sounds like pure pride with no apology and none in the future, are you
saying you >have
>some powers so you know the future?
Hi Raymond.
Sorry for the mega-cross-post, but I was unsure what group you are posting
from.
I think those words were prophetic in speaking of a pride that would not
submit either now, or in the future.
I would say that unless God moves in a mighty way in this current case, that
prophecy is destined to be fulfilled.
We ask Lord that you would be revealed to all who seek you, and that the
folly of those who seek something else would be revealed for all with
vision, to see.
Yours in Christ,
Griz
David' Chariot
Raymond wrote:
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> "David' Chariot" <beth_ma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3DC2D5C0...@hotmail.com...
> >
> > There is no apology, was none and will not be one in the future.
> >
> > This is a newsgroup and it is a relevant issue.
>
> What Newsgroup? Each newsgroup have its own relevant issues, which
> one are you using as this seems to be linked to 9 differant NG and
> it could not be relevant to all of them.
Hello Raymond,
It is relevant to all of them. It may not be relevant to you,
but then, who are you? It is for "ME", <> Psalms 40:1-7-17.
<> John 17:21
> Sounds like pure pride with no apology and none in the future,
> are you saying you have some powers so you know the future?
I know my future. And I know that there will be no apology.
Did Jesus apologize for not worshipping Satan?
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"To the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to
this word, it is because there is no light in them." <> Isaiah 8:20
"Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven
is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of
his treasure things new and old." <> Matthew 13:52
David' Chariot
Griz wrote:
>
> >What Newsgroup? Each newsgroup have its own relevant issues, which
> >one are you using as this seems to be linked to 9 differant NG and
> >it could not be relevant to all of them.
> >Sounds like pure pride with no apology and none in the future, are
> >you saying you have some powers so you know the future?
>
> Hi Raymond.
> Sorry for the mega-cross-post, but I was unsure what group you are
> posting from.
Hmm. That is against ACC's rules. Changing subjects. It is very
naughty when a self appointed moderator breaks his own rules.
> I think those words were prophetic in speaking of a pride that
> would not submit either now, or in the future.
Did Jesus submit to Satan? Nor will I submit to Paul or you, Griz.
> I would say that unless God moves in a mighty way in this current
> case, that prophecy is destined to be fulfilled.
God is moving, and you are standing against His movement and rest.
> We ask Lord that you would be revealed to all who seek you, and
> that the folly of those who seek something else would be revealed
> for all with vision, to see.
Now, here is your stroke...
As I said, these things are not going away.
I am at rest, daily. I work six days and just came in for a break
from my work, it is the first day, Sunday. I am a gardener, and I
break the earth and sow seed and it will bear fruit in it's season.
You have come every day to accuse me, but I say to you, "Behold, I
have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that
bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the
waster to destroy. No weapon that is formed against thee shall
prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment
thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the
LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.
Again, God created Jesus, TSOM, the smith that bloweth the coals
in the fire and the Waster to destroy, Paul.
The LORD that has created, is my LORD and I will lift up the HEAD.
Even as the words of Paul go, <> I Corinthians 11:3
We see in <> Isaiah 8:10, "for God is with us" But immediately,
the LORD says clearly with a strong hand, instructing that when
people say it is a confederacy that we are not to believe them,
neither to fear their fear, but to sanctify the LORD of hosts
Himself.
That is, we are to worship the Creator, not a man because "God is
with him." Peter took this concept to task in I Peter 3:15-22
which seems quite clear to me stating pretty much what Isaiah said.
And along these lines, we see an even clearer picture in Acts 10:38.
Now, before we get involved with Paul, we must understand that he
is a dubious character in the New Testament. Throughout the Bible
there are references to Christ and Paul and they come together in
Daniel 9:26, Jeremiah 4:7 and Job 40-41 off the top of my head.
Revelation 12 corresponds with Jesus saying what he said in
John 12:30-32, 14:30 and 16:11, Luke 10:18, Acts 9, 22 and 26 and
I will let you follow up for your consideration. Now the most
obvious is the parable in Judges 9:8-15. And again, for your
consideration, Paul is a very dubious character. I will leave it
at that for the moment and move on...
How long have I been with you? Have I not posted in nearly every one
of my responses, to the law and to the testimony, if they speak not
according to this word it is because there is no light in them.
Do you know what you are saying to me? You are saying that you are
from a different christ than the one that God sent to us and used
to redeem us to Himself. You are speaking from Paul's christ, and
it has no power against me, at all! I trust in the LORD, and I am
a witness to the Glory of my God and Father and His Christ, my Lord.
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"To the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to
this word, it is because there is no light in them." <> Isaiah 8:20
"Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven
is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of
his treasure things new and old." <> Matthew 13:52
Peace be with you through our Lord Jesus Christ
And to Almighty God the Glory for ever and ever
> Yours in Christ,
>
> Griz
David' Chariot
Griz wrote:
>
> >What Newsgroup? Each newsgroup have its own relevant issues,
> >which one are you using as this seems to be linked to 9 differant
> >NG and it could not be relevant to all of them.
> >Sounds like pure pride with no apology and none in the future, are you
> >saying you have some powers so you know the future?
>
> Hi Raymond.
> Sorry for the mega-cross-post, but I was unsure what group you are
> posting from.
<>=snip > Yours in Christ,
>
> Griz
And, because you resist the truth. And can't even keep your own rules.
You have chosen to give me an ear, and I will speak...
The 'virgin' nativity is a fable, a fabrication.
If anyone would like to refute this, never mind, they can't. So let's
see what God had to say about this in Isaiah 22.
"And it shall come to pass, that thy choicest valleys shall be full of
chariots, and the horsemen shall set themselves in array at the gate.
And he discovered the covering of Judah, and thou didst look in that
day to the armour of the house of the forest. You have seen also the
breaches of the city of David, that they are many: and ye gathered
together the waters of the lower pool." Isaiah 22:7-9
The time has come for the revelation...
Christianity has turned the children from the Father by declaring a
man, namely, Jesus, TSOM, into a God, and Christendom is worshipping
a man that God ordained to the Office of High Priest after the Order
of Melchizedek.
Note the result of what happens due to this revelation...
"In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall the nail that was that
was fastened in the sure place be removed, and be cut down, and fall;
and the burden that was upon it shall be cut off: for the LORD hath
spoken it." <> Isaiah 22:25
Dies Domini was issued in 1998. About the same time I discovered
"the covering of Judah", <> Isaiah 22:8.
APOSTOLIC LETTER
DIES DOMINI
OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
TO THE BISHOPS, CLERGY AND FAITHFUL OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
ON KEEPING THE LORD'S DAY HOLY
http://www.cin.org/jp2/diesdomi.html
>From the Vatican, on 31 May, the Solemnity of Pentecost,
in the year 1998, the twentieth of my Pontificate.
Just reading the Dies Domini would disturb any genuine disciple.
<> Daniel 7:25 "And he shall speak great words against the most High,
and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change
times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time
and times and the dividing of time. But the judgment shall sit, and
they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto
the end." <> Revelation 13
Before indulging in the awareness of the fabrication of Jesus' birth,
we must understand that Dies Domini states that Sunday is the LORD's
Day, and God said that his Sabbath is Saturday, the seventh day.
"Again, he limiteth a certain day." and "For if Jesus had given
them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God." <> Hebrews 4
That is a "CERTAIN DAY".
"Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall
after the same example of unbelief" <> Hebrews 4:11
"labour"!? Learn how to live and come out of Babylon...
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou
*LABOUR*, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath
of the LORD thy God:" <> Exodus 20:8-10
"Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath
commanded thee. Six days thou shalt *LABOUR*, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:
<> Deuteronomy 5:12-14
Now, here is the ultimate deception in the Bible...
The "Seed of David" through his father Joseph. As Jesus, TSOM, was
the son of Joseph, as prophesied, and we have two witnesses in the
genealogies of both Matthew and Luke.
<> Deuteronomy 18:18 <> Psalms 89:4 <> Psalms 132:11 <> Isaiah 51:16
<> Luke 1:32 <> John 7:42 <> Acts 13:23 <> Romans 1:3
Either Jesus was the son of Joseph, or the OT prophesies and all of
the NT references above are erroneous. Then you must say that God
reneged on his Promise, whereby he swore by...
<> Psalms 89:3, 34-37 <> Psalms 132:11 <> Jeremiah 33:16-22
Please never take any verses given here out of context.
<> Psalms 2:7 crossed with <> Acts 13:32-34
"And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which
was made unto the fathers, God hath fulfilled the same unto us their
children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written
in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to
return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure
mercies of David."
And he fulfils the prophecy of the 'maiden'/'virgin' in Isaiah 7:14,
being the first born of his mother Mary to his father Joseph, Luke 2:48.
And we see that the sin offering was administered, Luke 2:23-24 as
is required in Leviticus 12:2-6
He was already God's son according to <> Number 3:13.
"Because all the firstborn are mine; for on the day that I smote all
the firstborn in the land of Egypt I hallowed unto me all the firstborn
in Israel, both man and beast: mine shall they be: I am the LORD."
Why was the name of Jehoiakim, (Coniah) removed from the genealogy
in Luke, while his grandson Zorobabel remains?
The 'signet' passed from Coniah, <> Jeremiah 22:24, to Zerubbabel
in <> Haggai 2:23. But because of the curse, the names were
altered in the genealogy of Luke, while both retain Zorobabel.
That, my friend, is doctoring. The nativity drama in the New
Testament is just that, a dramatic fabrication and to support
it the genealogy was altered. Even the sorcerers, wise men, or
shepherds, as you like, were a by-product of the Song of Solomon 3:6.
<> Haggai 2:19 "Is the seed yet in the barn? yea, as yet the vine,
and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not
brought forth: from this day I will bless you."
<> Jeremiah 33:24-26 "Moreover the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah,
saying, Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, the
two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off?
thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation
before them. Thus saith the LORD; if my covenant be not with day and
night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;
then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that
I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham,
Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have
mercy on them.
God kept his promise to David concerning his 'seed', and the
'seed' is through Joseph. Not Mary.
There is an interesting thing in the Bible about two witnesses.
We have two witnesses of Joseph's lineage, and that is what is
necessary to establish it as truth. Joseph is Jesus' father,
and the descent is complete.
<> Leviticus 12:2 <> Genesis 17:19
Jesus, TSOM, a true descendent of David. Rightful heir to
the Throne of David. Son of David, predestined <> Micah 5:2-4
Now, how is Jesus, TSOM, God? The truth is that he isn't!
He has a God. <> John 20:17 <> Revelation 3:12 <> The OT
God was with him. <> Isaiah 8:10 <> Acts 10:38
Is God with you or are you worshipping the ordained High Priest?
<> Psalms 110:4 <> Hebrews 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
The Ten Commandments were written by the finger of God, they
are called a FIERY LAW, being that they are Spiritual and are a
covenant FOREVER AND FOREVER.
<> Deuteronomy 31:1-33:2 <> Isaiah 30 <> Matthew 5:17-20 <> Luke 16:31
Remember the Sabbath of the lawgiver (Saturday)
Drink freely at the well of the lawgiver unto eternal life...
<> Numbers 21:18 <> Isaiah 12:3 & 33:22 <> Matthew 10:42 <> James 4:12
David' Chariot
Griz wrote:
>
> >What Newsgroup? Each newsgroup have its own relevant issues,
> >which one are you using as this seems to be linked to 9 differant
> >NG and it could not be relevant to all of them.
> >Sounds like pure pride with no apology and none in the future, are you
> >saying you have some powers so you know the future?
>
> Hi Raymond.
> Sorry for the mega-cross-post, but I was unsure what group you
> are posting from.
>
<>=snip > Yours in Christ,
>
> Griz
Please confront this issue for us now, Griz. It is not going away...
Griz wrote:
>
|> Hi David
>
|> >You can't have it both ways, Griz. Either it is the Word of God
|> >or it isn't. You want to ignore what is below this paragraph, that
|> >has nothing to do with "me", <> Psalms 40:7-8. Read it and what
does
|> >it say God's will is in verse 8? Do you believe it or not?
>
|> Seeing as how you acknowledge only 11 verses in the whole Bible
|> as God's word, are you in any position to make judgements on what
|> you feel to be, with the exception of 11 verses (the 10 Commandments
|> + the writing on the wall), merely the words of man?
>
|> You are using a "word of God" that you don't even believe in to make
|> your points!
Now for your 11 words... This is number 3, you hear me?
You are playing with fire. As I said, Griz, The only Words of God,
written with His finger and gifted to men, are the Ten Commandments
and the writing on the wall in the book of Daniel. And all the rest
falls under the writing of the scribes, that is, men. And even the
writings of God's hand are copied for us by men. <> Revelation 11:19
Now amongst the words of the Bible, we have snares and traps and you
have dug your self in deep, it is called a pit. And I have been
attempting to draw you out of that hole, but you won't hear of it.
<> Psalms 69:22 <> Psalms 83:16 <> Matthew 13:24-30 <> Isaiah 28:17
You have ditched the subject of the Sabbath, and redirected to another
of your little tangents of gossip out of context in this response.
Alas, what did you avoid? Are you ready to discuss this?
-------8<--------------Snip reinstated
You can't have it both ways, Griz. Either it is the Word of God
or it isn't. You want to ignore what is below this paragraph, that
has nothing to do with "me", <> Psalms 40:7-8. Read it and what does
it say God's will is in verse 8? Do you believe it or not?
You say that the whole Bible is God's Word? Jesus, TSOM, says "For
the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath day." Hmm. Did he insert
the word "day", too?
"Again, he limiteth a certain day." and "For if Jesus had given
them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God." <> Hebrews 4
That is a "CERTAIN DAY". Did I insert "certain day"?
"Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall
after the same example of unbelief" <> Hebrews 4:11
"labour"!?, did I insert that word, too? Why?...
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou
*LABOUR*, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath
of the LORD thy God:" <> Exodus 20:8-10
"Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded
thee. Six days thou shalt *LABOUR*, and do all thy work: But the
seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: <> Deuteronomy 5:12-14
Pull your head out, Griz. God's Word states the Seventh Day is the
Sabbath of the LORD thy God. The Sabbath is the Seventh 'Day'.
Take heed. Return to the LORD and love Him by keeping His Commandments
that he gave to the Children of Israel, those blessed among the nations.
God states that it is a Righteous Law. Who are you, Griz? And Paul?
"To the Law (Ox) and to the Testimony (Ass): If they speak not
according to this word, it is because there is NO LIGHT in them."
<> Isaiah 8:20
Remember the Sabbath Day, and forsake these Ministers who have been
deceitful, ignoring <> Hebrews 7 and demanding that you pay their
way through their life of greedy deceit. <> Isaiah 56:11
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot
or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be
fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least
commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the
least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach
them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
<> Matthew 5:18-19
"And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of
the law to fail." <> Luke 16:17
God's Sermon on the Sabbath Day. <>Isaiah 56:1-12
"greedy dogs, dumb dogs, blind watchmen, they are all ignorant" vv 10-11
"Here is Wisdom... "Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine,
and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to
morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant." <> Isaiah 56:12
But Sunday (to morrow) is not like Saturday (this day), is it?
"And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing
with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of
stone, written with the finger of God."
<> Exodus 31:18
"And the LORD said to Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone
like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables"
<> Exodus 34:1
> Yours in Christ,
>
> Griz
You can hash it over with God and His Word, all right.
Peace be with you through our Lord Jesus Christ
And to Almighty God the Glory for ever and ever
> Griz
David' Chariot
Griz wrote:
>
> >What Newsgroup? Each newsgroup have its own relevant issues,
> >which one are you using as this seems to be linked to 9 differant
> >NG and it could not be relevant to all of them.
> >Sounds like pure pride with no apology and none in the future,
> >are you saying you have some powers so you know the future?
>
> Hi Raymond.
> Sorry for the mega-cross-post, but I was unsure what group you
> are posting from.
<>=snip > Yours in Christ,
>
> Griz
<> Acts 17:18 "What will this babbler say?" Regarding Paul.
<> Ecclesiastes 10:11 "Surely the serpent will bite without enchantment;
and a babbler is no better."
<> Psalms 137 "By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea,
we wept,
when we remembered Zion. WE HANGED OUR HARPS UPON THE WILLOWS IN THE
MIDST THEREOF. For there they that carried us away captive required of
us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing
us one of the songs of Zion. HOW SHALL WE SING THE LORD'S SONG IN A
STRANGE LAND? IF I FORGET THEE, O JERUSALEM, LET MY RIGHT HAND FORGET
ITS CUNNING. If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the
roof of my mouth; if I prefer not JERUSALEM ABOVE MY CHIEF JOY.
Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who
said, RAZE IT, RAZE IT, EVEN TO THE FOUNDATION THEREOF. O DAUGHTER
OF BABYLON, WHO ART TO BE DESTROYED, HAPPY SHALL HE BE, THAT REWARDETH
THEE AS THOU HAST SERVED US. HAPPY SHALL HE BE, THAT TAKETH AND DASHETH
THY LITTLE ONES AGAINST THE STONES."
These Stones...
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
<> Exodus 20:3 <> Matthew 19:17 <> John 20:17
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"To the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to
this word, it is because there is no light in them." <> Isaiah 8:20
"Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven
is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of
his treasure things new and old." <> Matthew 13:52
Peace be with you through our Lord Jesus Christ
David' Chariot
Griz wrote:
>
> >What Newsgroup? Each newsgroup have its own relevant issues,
> >which one are you using as this seems to be linked to 9 differant
> >NG and it could not be relevant to all of them.
> >Sounds like pure pride with no apology and none in the future,
> >are you saying you have some powers so you know the future?
>
> Hi Raymond.
> Sorry for the mega-cross-post, but I was unsure what group you
> are posting from.
<>=snip > Yours in Christ,
>
> Griz
"I polluted them in their own gifts", <> Ezekiel 20:26
Why didn't Jesus, TSOM, speak in tongues when he received the fullness
of the Spirit of God at his baptism? Seek and you shall find out why!
"Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs
and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of Hosts, which dwelleth in
mount Zion. And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that
have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter:
Should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
TO THE LAW AND TO THE TESTIMONY: IF THEY SPEAK NOT ACCORDING TO THIS
WORD IT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM. <> Isaiah 8:18-20
The following scriptures are from the Old and New Testaments. A study
which is large for those who will contest that the Gifts mentioned in
the books called Corinthians are of God. Due to the nature of gifts
that are mentioned in the Bible in man's receipt, it is highly doubtful
that Paul's Gifts Doctrine has any truth in it. I believe that you will
be amazed at this study, and God's Word spoken in regard of Gifts.
Old Testament comments on gift(s):
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Exodus 23:8
Deuteronomy 16:19
Proverbs 17:8 / 17:23 / 18:16 / 21:14 / 25:14
Ecclesiastes 3:13 / 7:7
Proverbs 15:27 / 19:6 / 29:4
Isaiah 1:21-23
Ezekiel 16:39 / 20:26 / 20:31 / 22:12 / 47:4
New Testament comments on gift(s):
______________________________________________________________________
Matthew 5:23-24 / 7:11 / 8:4 / 11:13 / 15:5 / 23:18-19
Mark 7:11
John 4:10
Acts 2:38 / 8:20 / 10:45 / 11:17
Romans 1:11 / 5:15-18 / 6:23 / 11:29 / 12:6
I Corinthians 1:7 / 7:7 / 12:1 / 12:4 / 12:9 / 12:28 / 12:30-31 13:2 /
14:1 / 14:12
II Corinthians 1:11 / 8:4 / 9:15
Ephesians 2:8 / 3:7 / 4:7-8
Philippians 4:17
I Timothy 4:14
II Timothy 1:6
Hebrews 2:4 / 5:1 / 6:4 / 8:3-4 / 9:9 / 11:4
James 1:17
I Peter 4:10
Revelation 11:10
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These scriptures show that there is questionable doctrine initiated by
Paul in the New Testament writings of the book(s) ascribed to Paul. It
is by the words of Paul and his disciple only that Paul is an Apostle.
Jesus warned his disciples that the prince of this world must come.
TWO WITNESSES NEW OLD
TESTING SCRIPTURE Matthew 13:52 Song of Solomon 7:13
EXAMPLE
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BOASTING | James 4:16 |Proverbs 25:14
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Establish your doctrine. Please bring forth from your treasure both
Old and New Testament foundations. As that is the way that a scribe
of the kingdom of God is advised to do in Matthew 13:52.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NEW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OLD ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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KNOWLEDGE | I Corinthians 12:8 |>
WORD OF WISDOM | I Corinthians 12:8 |>
FAITH | I Corinthians 12:9 |>
HEALINGS | I Corinthians 12:9 |>
MIRACLES | I Corinthians 12:10 |>
PROPHECY | I Corinthians 12:10 |>
DISCERNING SPIRITS | I Corinthians 12:10 |>
TONGUES | I Corinthians 12:10 |>
INTERPRETATION | I Corinthians 12:10 |>
LIBERTY | James 2:12 |Exodus 20:1-20
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It is nice to see care for the children of God, for of them is the
kingdom of heaven. Peace be with you. And for those who love their
children, please take them fishing in the sea of God.
"Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they
that keep my ways. Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting
at the posts of my door. For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall
obtain favour of the LORD. But he that sinneth against me wrongeth
his own soul: All they that hate me love death." <> Proverbs 8:1-36
My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of
thy mother: For they shall be an ornament of grace unto thy head, and
chains about thy neck. My son, if sinners entice thee, consent thou
not. <> Proverbs 1:8-10
Please never take any scripture given here out of context.
<> Matthew 19:17 <> James 1:21-27 <> I Peter 4:11 <> Revelation 12:17
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Go fish, and if you will catch men out, cast thy net to the right...
<> Luke 5:4 "Launch out into the deep, and let down your nets for a
draught."
Learn a parable...
The kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the
sea, and gathered of every kind: Which, when it was full, they
drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels,
but cast the bad away. <> Matthew 13:47
Remember the Sabbath of the lawgiver (Saturday)
Drink freely at the well of the lawgiver unto eternal life...
<> Numbers 21:18 <> Isaiah 33:22 <> Matthew 10:42 <> James 4:12
"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this
word, it is because there is no light in them." <> Isaiah 8:20
"Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven
is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of
his treasure things new and old." <> Matthew 13:52
Peace be with you through our Lord Jesus Christ
David' Chariot
Griz wrote:
>
> >What Newsgroup? Each newsgroup have its own relevant issues,
> >which one are you using as this seems to be linked to 9 differant
> >NG and it could not be relevant to all of them.
> >Sounds like pure pride with no apology and none in the future,
> >are you saying you have some powers so you know the future?
>
> Hi Raymond.
> Sorry for the mega-cross-post, but I was unsure what group you are
> posting from.
<>=SNIP
> Yours in Christ,
>
> Griz
Revealing the truth?
Here, this is a bit more up to date and still draft...
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As Isaiah 7:14 is spoken for in "The Key to the House of David -
Isaiah 22" thread, we will move on to <> Isaiah 9:6 without delay.
Rest assured that an update will come, I do not have my Hebrew Bible,
Lexicon or 1611 KJV here, but I will make it a point to get them...
The word "of" is a preposition in our language that isn't in the
Hebrew. All through the Bible you have the use of "of" to give
meaning to verses. Jesus, TSOM, is in the office of High Priest.
Many verses do not correspond to the words of Isaiah 9:6 in the titles
given. Nor does the Hebrew have commas. So there is obviously an
absence of the word "of" to be placed which leaves us with...
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the
government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor (of) The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The
Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there
shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to
order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from
henceforth even forever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform
this." Isaiah 9:6-7
Hence, "and his name shall be called wonderful counselor (of) the
Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
wonderful counselor:
High Priest <> Psalms 110:4 <> Hebrews 7:25 <> Isaiah 52:13-15
<> Romans 8:32-34 <> I John 2:1-4
(of) the Mighty God, The everlasting Father,
Self explanatory - God <> John 20:17 <> Revelation 3:12
The Prince of Peace.
A prince to the Throne forever, <> Ezekiel 34:24, <> Ezekiel 37:25
<> Acts 3:15 <> Acts 5:31 <> Revelation 1:5-6, for God sits on the
Throne and is ministered to by Jesus, TSOM. <> Isaiah 52:13-15
This is incomplete, as stated, and will be published at a later date
with much more validation.
Any suggestions?
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"To the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to
this word, it is because there is no light in them." <> Isaiah 8:20
"Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven
is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of
his treasure things new and old." <> Matthew 13:52
Peace be with you through our Lord Jesus Christ
David' Chariot
Griz wrote:
>
> >What Newsgroup? Each newsgroup have its own relevant issues,
> >which one are you using as this seems to be linked to 9 differant
> >NG and it could not be relevant to all of them.
> >Sounds like pure pride with no apology and none in the future,
> >are you saying you have some powers so you know the future?
>
> Hi Raymond.
> Sorry for the mega-cross-post, but I was unsure what group you
> are posting from.
<>=snip
> Yours in Christ,
>
> Griz
This is the Scripture for the subject line...
"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and
offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid
them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but
their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the
hearts of the simple." (Romans 16:17-18)
When you are finished reading this you can mark your self accordingly.
"divisions"?
Let me show you division...
Formula: Bible -(minus) Context =(equals) Religion
I am 'trinitarian'
I am 'oneness'
Plus...
I am a catholic.
I am a pentecostal.
I am a jehovahs witness.
I am a anglican.
I am a roman catholic.
I am a baptist.
I am a mormon.
I am a seventh day adventist.
I am a latter day saint
I am a ? etc. (name your poison)
equals = DIVISION
I am a disciple of God. All disciples stand together.
Here is God's WAY...
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"To the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to
this word, it is because there is no light in them." <> Isaiah 8:20
"Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven
is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of
his treasure things new and old." <> Matthew 13:52
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When you get done debunking those. Here are a couple more...
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with
the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have
the testimony of Jesus Christ." <> Revelation 12:17
"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the
commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." <> Revelation 14:12
And these are only just the beginning of God's two witnesses.
Now, how did you rate at ringing the division bell?
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"To the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to
this word, it is because there is no light in them." <> Isaiah 8:20
"Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven
is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of
his treasure things new and old." <> Matthew 13:52
Peace be with you through our Lord Jesus Christ
David' Chariot
Griz wrote:
>
> >What Newsgroup? Each newsgroup have its own relevant issues,
> >which one are you using as this seems to be linked to 9 differant
> >NG and it could not be relevant to all of them.
> >Sounds like pure pride with no apology and none in the future,
> >are you saying you have some powers so you know the future?
>
> Hi Raymond.
> Sorry for the mega-cross-post, but I was unsure what group you
> are posting from.
<>=snip
> Yours in Christ,
>
> Griz
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To date, I have loved you, but you have nothing in "ME".
"ME" <> Psalms 40:7 Can you hear my voice? <> Ezekiel 34:23
<> Jeremiah 30:9 <> Hosea 3:5 <> Ezekiel 37:24 <> Revelation 1:5-6
To learn of "ME", you must forsake all that you have, and follow "ME".
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Hear, O Israel, the LORD our GOD is ONE.
ONE Only. Our Father in Heaven. <> John 20:17 <> Revelation 3:12
<> Deuteronomy 6:4 <> Matthew 19:17 <> Isaiah 45:23 <> Ephesians 3:14
<> etc, etc.
Will you be His disciple? <> Isaiah 8:16 <> Matthew 19:17
I am a disciple. I love our God and Father and keep His Commandments.
I delight in his glorious sabbath on Saturday. Alone? <> Isaiah 35:8
<> Isaiah 8:16 and <> Matthew 10:42 <> Psalms 110:1 <> Hebrews 7:15-22
<> John 20:17 <> Revelation 3:12 <> etc., etc.
Peace be with you. I love our Lord Jesus Christ dearly, and I believe
that he died for our sins, too. God raised him from the dead to stand
before him on our behalf if we keep His Commandments. <> John 14:1
<> Isaiah 53:11-12 Be strong.
God raised Jesus from the dead. Were Jesus God, there would be no
reason for God to raise him from the dead. There is truth in many
witnesses, but some yet will not believe that the Bible has been
subject to interpolation.
Jesus said: <> Matthew 17:23 <> Luke 9:22 <> John 2:19 <> John 5:21
<> Acts 2:24-32, 3:15-26, 4:10, 5:30, 10:40, 13:22-37, 17:31
<> Romans 4:24-25, 6:4-9, 7:4, 8:11, 10:9,
<> I Corinthians 6:14, 15:15-52 <> II Corinthians 4:14
<> Galatians 1:1 <> Ephesians 1:20 <> Colossians 2:12
<> I Thessalonians 1:10 <> II Timothy 2:8 <> Hebrews 11:35
<> I Peter 1:3
Some may say there is this "one" verse that says this or that. In a
judgement case of this or that, IMHO, get a balance and weigh the truth!
'disciples' here in 8:16 is used in 4 other remote texts, they are:
Isaiah 50:4 - learned (2 times)
Isaiah 54:13 - taught
Jeremiah 2:24 - used (note: verse 27)
Jeremiah 13:23 - accustomed
Used about 270 times in the New Testament. Hmm. Now that's a witness.
"And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup
of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he
shall in no wise lose his reward. <> Matthew 10:42
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Hear, O Israel, The LORD our GOD is ONE LORD.
No more shall those who hear me be called by their religion, but they
shall have a new name, one that the LORD has chosen.
What is a Christian? What is a Catholic? What is a Pentecostal?
What is a Anglican? What is a Baptist? What is a Name of Poison?
There is no religion higher than the Truth. Come out of Babylon.
Can you be a disciple? I am a disciple of God our Father.
<> Exodus 6:3 <> Psalms 83:18 <> Isaiah 12:2 <> Isaiah 26:4
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There is only one Begotten Son according to <> Psalms 2:7 and
Acts 13:32-34. Jesus, TSOM, is the firstborn <> Hebrews 12:22-24
<> Psalms 89:27 <> Revelation 19:1-5 and those that are His shall
obey him, keeping the Commandments of God and the Testimony of
Jesus. Jesus, TSOM, is Ordained after the Order of Melchizedek
by God and is High Priest forever, <> Psalms 110:4 <> Hebrews 4,
5, 6, 7, 8, 9. A prince to the Throne forever, <> Ezekiel 34:24
<> Ezekiel 37:25 <> Acts 3:15 <> Acts 5:31 <> Revelation 1:5-6,
for God sits on the Throne and is ministered to by Jesus, TSOM.
And that Son consists of Millions, that is, the first and the last,
the Saints of the Almighty God. <> Daniel 7:27 <> Revelation 1
Food for thought... Please correct me if you think I am wrong.
Let's get it right. Prove me and move me.
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Go fish, and if you will catch men out, cast thy net to the right...
<> Luke 5:4 "Launch out into the deep, and let down your nets for a
draught."
Learn a parable...
The kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the
sea, and gathered of every kind: Which, when it was full, they
drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels,
but cast the bad away. <> Matthew 13:47
Remember the Sabbath of the lawgiver (Saturday)
Drink freely at the well of the lawgiver unto eternal life...
<> Numbers 21:18 <> Isaiah 33:22 <> Matthew 10:42 <> James 4:12
"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this
word, it is because there is no light in them." <> Isaiah 8:20
"Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven
is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of
his treasure things new and old." <> Matthew 13:52
Peace be with you through our Lord Jesus Christ
Michael Oglesby
"Einstein" <a...@ding.net> wrote in message
news:8qn8su0a534auhj5p...@4ax.com...
> You say god created jesus.
>
> just read another post that says god and jesus are the same. Others add
the
> ghost. Others say god and jesus are different but jesus is older than
Abraham
>
> Dore says she is christ. Karen and Helen say Dore is antichrist. Suiter
says
> he understands christianity and politics but nobody else does.
>
> Will you christians make up your minds?
Before you paint with that broad of a brush you may want to take a poll to
see
who calls himself a "Christian" and who uses term as his primary a
identifier.
> On Sun, 03 Nov 2002 12:11:08 +1300, David' Chariot
<beth_ma...@hotmail.com>
Michael Oglesby
> I know -- only you have the facts and the others are charlatans.
I do have some "facts," and I know I don't have all of them. As for
"charlatans," some are, some aren't. Isn't that the demographic in
your world? But to say that in someone else's neighborhood the
demographic is perceived as different is a bit naive don't you think?
Oh well, 'nuf said, thanks for the comment!
> On Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:06:16 -0600, "Michael Oglesby" <mi...@sky.net>
wrote:
David' Chariot
Michael Oglesby wrote:
>
> "Einstein" <a...@ding.net> wrote in message
> news:8qn8su0a534auhj5p...@4ax.com...
> > You say god created jesus.
> >
> > just read another post that says god and jesus are the same.
> > Others add the ghost. Others say god and jesus are different
> > but jesus is older than Abraham. Dore says she is christ.
> > Karen and Helen say Dore is antichrist. Suiter says he
> > understands christianity and politics but nobody else does.
> >
> > Will you christians make up your minds?
>
> Before you paint with that broad of a brush you may want to take
> a poll to see who calls himself a "Christian" and who uses term
> as his primary a identifier.
Saul/Paul was in Antioch for a year and the name originated there.
<> Acts 11:26 Further in Acts 26:27 "Then Agrippa said unto Paul,
Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian." And Peter, third and
final instance <> I Peter 4:16 "
Christian - 3 times in the New Testament
"follower of Christ"
Disciple - 270 times in the New Testament - 5 in the Old Testament
Some may say there is this "one" verse that says this or that. In a
judgement case of this or that, IMHO, get a balance and weigh the truth!
'disciples' here in 8:16 is used in 4 other remote texts, they are:
Isaiah 50:4 - learned (2 times)
Isaiah 54:13 - taught
Jeremiah 2:24 - used (note: verse 27)
Jeremiah 13:23 - accustomed
"Bind up the testimony, seal the Law among my disciples."
Jesus said, "And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these
little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple,
verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward."
Who has a greater witness? Disciple or Christian?
I am a disciple until my final breath. Praise God and His Christ.
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Go fish, and if you will catch men out, cast thy net to the right...
<> Luke 5:4 "Launch out into the deep, and let down your nets for a
draught."
Learn a parable...
The kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the
sea, and gathered of every kind: Which, when it was full, they
drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels,
but cast the bad away. <> Matthew 13:47
Remember the Sabbath of the lawgiver (Saturday)
Drink freely at the well of the lawgiver unto eternal life...
<> Numbers 21:18 <> Isaiah 33:22 <> Matthew 10:42 <> James 4:12
"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this
word, it is because there is no light in them." <> Isaiah 8:20
"Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven
is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of
his treasure things new and old." <> Matthew 13:52
Peace be with you through our Lord Jesus Christ
And to Almighty God the Glory for ever and ever
> > On Sun, 03 Nov 2002 12:11:08 +1300, David' Chariot
David' Chariot
Einstein wrote:
>
> I know -- only you have the facts and the others are charlatans.
>
> On Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:06:16 -0600, "Michael Oglesby" <mi...@sky.net> wrote:
>
> |
> |"Einstein" <a...@ding.net> wrote in message
> |news:8qn8su0a534auhj5p...@4ax.com...
> |> You say god created jesus.
> |>
> |> just read another post that says god and jesus are the same.
That is pure ignorance on someone's part.
|> Others add the ghost.
The Ghost is the Comforter, Wisdom.
|> Others say god and jesus are different but jesus is older than
Abraham
This is because of God's predestination of David's offspring who was
designated to be the Messiah.
|> Dore says she is christ.
Dore is deluded.
|> Karen and Helen say Dore is antichrist.
Dore is deluded.
|> Suiter says he understands christianity and politics but nobody
|> else does.
Suiter does not believe in Jesus is required. He is a Son of God.
He is delusionally alone following principles of Duke. Delusion.
> |> Will you christians make up your minds?
I am a disciple. Jesus, TSOM, is not God.
> |> |Again, God created Jesus, TSOM, the smith that bloweth the coals
> |> |in the fire and the Waster to destroy, Paul.
Many things caught out of the Sea of God can be mysterious. The
doctrines of men are only a shadow of the true light and those
who confess 'oneness' and 'trinity' are error themselves.
Raymond
about in this post.
"Griz" <gr...@cois.on.ca> wrote in message news:us7o6jr...@corp.supernews.com...
John W
Jesus, Peter, Paul, and the 10, and the Old Testament patriarchs are
the founders of our faith.
And you, David, are a pathological liar!
John W
On Sun, 03 Nov 2002 12:11:08 +1300, David' Chariot
<beth_ma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
In Christ,
John W
Cornwall
David' Chariot
John W wrote:
>
> Quit lying about Paul!
>
> Jesus, Peter, Paul, and the 10, and the Old Testament patriarchs are
> the founders of our faith.
>
> And you, David, are a pathological liar!
>
> John W
Believe what you will, my friend, John W.
Griz
what I >asked you
>about in this post.
Then we may be on different pages.
Griz
John W
Suppose you define "Christian" first, and address those people. You
have lumped Dore (who thinks she's Christ) in with someone else who is
ANTI-Christ.
How can both be Christian? Define the term "Christian" and ask again.
John w
On Sat, 02 Nov 2002 16:54:48 -0800, Einstein <a...@ding.net> wrote:
>I know -- only you have the facts and the others are charlatans.
>
>On Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:06:16 -0600, "Michael Oglesby" <mi...@sky.net> wrote:
>
>|
In Christ,
John W
John W
they obviously can't all be?!
John W
On Sat, 02 Nov 2002 15:34:40 -0800, Einstein <a...@ding.net> wrote:
>You say god created jesus.
>
>just read another post that says god and jesus are the same. Others add the
>ghost. Others say god and jesus are different but jesus is older than Abraham
>
>Dore says she is christ. Karen and Helen say Dore is antichrist. Suiter says
>he understands christianity and politics but nobody else does.
>
>Will you christians make up your minds?
>
>On Sun, 03 Nov 2002 12:11:08 +1300, David' Chariot <beth_ma...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>|Again, God created Jesus, TSOM, the smith that bloweth the coals
>|in the fire and the Waster to destroy, Paul.
In Christ,
John W
John W
relating to Christian doctrines!
john W
On Sun, 03 Nov 2002 16:43:56 +1300, David' Chariot
<beth_ma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
In Christ,
John W
David' Chariot
John W wrote:
>
> You continue to lie, David Chariot! Jesus claimed to be God in flesh!
> "The Father and I are one."
The Father and I are one. But I am not God. God is with me.
> See Thomas' words to Christ upon seeking Jesus' scars! "My Lord! and
> My God!" Jesus accepted Thomas' worship!
Were you a witness? Only one witness. God was with Him.
Three witnesses, <> Isaiah 8:10, <> Acts 10:38 and <> I Peter 3:15-22.
> You are of your father, Satan! David!
God and our Father is my Father, John W, who are you calling Satan?
What is blasphemy, John W?
What have I ever to do with you again? You have nothing in me!
There shall never be peace for a wicked servant
And to Almighty God the Glory for ever and ever
> John W
> In Christ,
>
> John W
John W
"The Father and I are one."
See Thomas' words to Christ upon seeking Jesus' scars! "My Lord! and
My God!" Jesus accepted Thomas' worship!
You are of your father, Satan! David!
John W
In Christ,
John W
Raymond
"Einstein" <a...@ding.net> wrote in message
news:7ps8su8t4gdlag1n1...@4ax.com...
> I know -- only you have the facts and the others are charlatans.
>
> On Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:06:16 -0600, "Michael Oglesby" <mi...@sky.net> wrote:
>
> |
Raymond
>
>
> Griz wrote:
> >
> > >What Newsgroup? Each newsgroup have its own relevant issues, which
> > >one are you using as this seems to be linked to 9 differant NG and
> > >it could not be relevant to all of them.
> > >Sounds like pure pride with no apology and none in the future, are
> > >you saying you have some powers so you know the future?
> >
> > Hi Raymond.
> > Sorry for the mega-cross-post, but I was unsure what group you are
> > posting from.
>
> Hmm. That is against ACC's rules. Changing subjects. It is very
> naughty when a self appointed moderator breaks his own rules.
No it is not! When a message comes into you and YOU are replying to it, and think what
you wrote should be under a different subject, you are just starting another subject,
which everyone can do and still be in the rules. The next thing you will be saying is
when a subject is sent out everyone must answer it, or get permission to change it. I
check the subject line, and really do not care what it was before, as it would seem it is
now a new subject, or another persons opinion. Where do you get these rules from? This
is a "alt" newsgroup one doesn't change the name of the Newsgroup, but sure can any
subject they like in their reply. If we would hold you to some rules, your post doesn't
fit the subject that is posted, so you are in the wrong. I am posting to your remarks
here, surly not the subject, as you aren't in the subject for this post. You would do
better to fit the reply to a subject of your choice.
>
> > I think those words were prophetic in speaking of a pride that
> > would not submit either now, or in the future.
>
> Did Jesus submit to Satan? Nor will I submit to Paul or you, Griz.
Well Jesus sure did submit to the Apostles, he did so humblily, and washed their feet.
You would do you good to read up on such. I don't think the devil would care what you
submitted to, as your heart is not right with God and not what Jesus did do, kind of puts
you in Satan's ball park. Check out Philippians 2:1-13 to start and see what submitting
is all about, and if your actions are what the bible says they should be.
Raymond
>
>
> Griz wrote:
> >
> > >What Newsgroup? Each newsgroup have its own relevant issues,
> > >which one are you using as this seems to be linked to 9 differant
> > >NG and it could not be relevant to all of them.
> > >Sounds like pure pride with no apology and none in the future, are you
> > >saying you have some powers so you know the future?
> >
> > Hi Raymond.
> > Sorry for the mega-cross-post, but I was unsure what group you are
> > posting from.
> <>=snip > Yours in Christ,
> >
> > Griz
>
> And, because you resist the truth. And can't even keep your own rules.
> You have chosen to give me an ear, and I will speak...
>
> The 'virgin' nativity is a fable, a fabrication.
Since she just had a baby, it would seem a fabrication, but the term is that she was not
with child from a human, so was till later still a virgin, in that sense of the word.
You may like to look up the medical term for what is seen as a virgin and what is not,
before implying things are not what they were.
>
> If anyone would like to refute this, never mind, they can't. So let's
> see what God had to say about this in Isaiah 22.
Sure they can, you ownly wish they can't. Nice try.
>
> "And it shall come to pass, that thy choicest valleys shall be full of
> chariots, and the horsemen shall set themselves in array at the gate.
> And he discovered the covering of Judah, and thou didst look in that
> day to the armour of the house of the forest. You have seen also the
> breaches of the city of David, that they are many: and ye gathered
> together the waters of the lower pool." Isaiah 22:7-9
So this refutes what, a virgin birth, you better go back to school and learn the language.
David' Chariot
And that of those dirty doctrines! Dig a well with me in the earth
and I will wash your feet, Raymond, my friend. For the washing of
the feet ceremony is a riddle and a parable of doctrines. For there
are ten toes on the normal man's foot. And these represent the Ten
Commandments, as we see, in <> Daniel 2:40-41, those toes of part clay
and partly iron are surely revealed in the commandments of men. For
today men worship a man named Jesus, and God said not to have any other
gods before him, and today men keep Sunday holy, according to the word
of the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church who sits on many waters, and
these toes on the feet of Christians are not true and are dirty toes
and the feet of the Christians need to be washed. Peace be with you.
> You would do you good to read up on such. I don't think the devil
> would care what you submitted to, as your heart is not right with
> God and not what Jesus did do, kind of puts you in Satan's ball park.
Well, that is a nice opinion coming from one who worships a man as
God and who keeps Sunday holy, even though I know from past discussions
with you that you are aware of God's Sabbath being on the Seventh day.
Hmm. I ask that you would allow me to wash your feet, knowing the true
will of God, and that the Commandments are the righteousness of God.
> Check out Philippians 2:1-13 to start and see what submitting
> is all about, and if your actions are what the bible says they
> should be.
Well, as stated elsewhere to your availability, Paul is the destroyer
of the Gentiles and here you are quoting him without a second witness,
LOL. That is ironic. And that without the light that comes from above.
LOL. Look to your self and come by anytime for a pedicure.
Notice the truth... <> Psalms 110:7 <> I Corinthians 11:3
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Are you ready to give an answer, Raymond?
<> Isaiah 45:23
"I have sworn by myself,
the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness,
and shall not return,
That unto me every knee shall bow,
every tongue shall swear."
<> Ephesians 3:14
"For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"
<> Romans 14:11
"For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow
to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us
shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one
another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a
stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way."
Now, according to you and the great Commandment mentioned by
Jesus, TSOM, in <> Matthew 22:37-38 from <> Deuteronomy 6:4-5.
Who is to be worshipped as God in the above verses? In other words...
Who is God in <> Isaiah 45:23, <> Ephesians 3:14 and <> Romans 14:11?
It's pretty easy... Even Paul couldn't lie here.
__________________________________________________________________
I am a disciple until my final breath. Praise God and His Christ.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Go fish, and if you will catch men out, cast thy net to the right...
<> Luke 5:4 "Launch out into the deep, and let down your nets for a
draught."
Learn a parable...
The kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the
sea, and gathered of every kind: Which, when it was full, they
drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels,
but cast the bad away. <> Matthew 13:47
Remember the Sabbath of the lawgiver (Saturday)
Drink freely at the well of the lawgiver unto eternal life...
<> Numbers 21:18 <> Isaiah 33:22 <> Matthew 10:42 <> James 4:12
"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this
David' Chariot
Raymond wrote:
>
> "David' Chariot" <beth_ma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3DC45D49...@hotmail.com...
> >
> >
> > Griz wrote:
> > >
> > > >What Newsgroup? Each newsgroup have its own relevant issues,
> > > >which one are you using as this seems to be linked to 9 differant
> > > >NG and it could not be relevant to all of them.
> > > >Sounds like pure pride with no apology and none in the future,
> > > >are you saying you have some powers so you know the future?
> > >
> > > Hi Raymond.
> > > Sorry for the mega-cross-post, but I was unsure what group you are
> > > posting from.
> > <>=snip > Yours in Christ,
> > >
> > > Griz
> >
> > And, because you resist the truth. And can't even keep your own
> > rules. You have chosen to give me an ear, and I will speak...
> >
> > The 'virgin' nativity is a fable, a fabrication.
>
> Since she just had a baby, it would seem a fabrication, but the
> term is that she was not with child from a human, so was till
> later still a virgin, in that sense of the word. You may like
> to look up the medical term for what is seen as a virgin and
> what is not, before implying things are not what they were.
Raymond, it is a study. You can't just speak off the top of your
head and expect any ear on the matter with you. You need to have
some evidence that is sound prior to making an appeal to the truth.
> > If anyone would like to refute this, never mind, they can't.
> > So let's see what God had to say about this in Isaiah 22.
>
> Sure they can, you ownly wish they can't. Nice try.
Do it. Let's see one, Raymond. Or believe the fabrication, these
are your options. I am not trying anything, just revealing a very
irrefutable truth that is for our day, and this hour.
> > "And it shall come to pass, that thy choicest valleys shall be
> > full of chariots, and the horsemen shall set themselves in array
> > at the gate. And he discovered the covering of Judah, and thou
> > didst look in that day to the armour of the house of the forest.
> > You have seen also the breaches of the city of David, that they
> > are many: and ye gathered together the waters of the lower pool."
> > <> Isaiah 22:7-9
>
> So this refutes what, a virgin birth, you better go back to school
> and learn the language.
LOL. Raymond, my friend, you are an entertainment. <> Psalms 2
"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this
word, it is because there is no light in them." <> Isaiah 8:20
"Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven
is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of
his treasure things new and old." <> Matthew 13:52
Peace be with you through our Lord Jesus Christ
Mark Bassett
"Einstein" <a...@ding.net> wrote in message
news:8qn8su0a534auhj5p...@4ax.com...
> You say god created jesus.
>
> just read another post that says god and jesus are the same. Others add
the
> ghost. Others say god and jesus are different but jesus is older than
Abraham
>
> Dore says she is christ. Karen and Helen say Dore is antichrist. Suiter
says
> he understands christianity and politics but nobody else does.
>
> Will you christians make up your minds?
There is lots of controversy about things that matter. It doesn't mean
everyone is right, or that you aren't looking at a bunch of nuts
onversing - only that there is something there that people care about.
Think about how many esoteric matters people just yawn and walk by.
Who God is and who Jesus is... these are important matters that spirits of
man and angel and demon are all concerned with.
David' Chariot
>
> >What Newsgroup? Each newsgroup have its own relevant issues, which
> >one are you using as this seems to be linked to 9 differant NG and
> >it could not be relevant to all of them.
> >Sounds like pure pride with no apology and none in the future, are
> >you saying you have some powers so you know the future?
>
> Hi Raymond.
> Sorry for the mega-cross-post, but I was unsure what group you are
> posting from.
Hmm. That is against ACC's rules. Changing subjects. It is very
naughty when a self appointed moderator breaks his own rules.
> I think those words were prophetic in speaking of a pride that
> would not submit either now, or in the future.
Did Jesus submit to Satan? Nor will I submit to Paul or you, Griz.
> I would say that unless God moves in a mighty way in this current
> case, that prophecy is destined to be fulfilled.
God is moving, and you are standing against His movement and rest.
> We ask Lord that you would be revealed to all who seek you, and
> that the folly of those who seek something else would be revealed
> for all with vision, to see.
Remember to lift up the head. <> Psalms 110:7 <> I Corinthians 11:3
Word 9
Praise God and our Father, and His Anointed.
He knew he wasn't God. <> Psalms 69:22-23 <> John 20:17 <> Psalms
22:9-10
<> Psalms 83:16
He knew his place at the right hand of God. <> I Corinthians 15:20-28
<> Psalms 110:1-7 <> Psalms 2:6 <> Jeremiah 33:17-18
He knew he was the Son of David. <> Psalms 89:3-37 <> Psalms 132:11
<> Jeremiah 33:16-22 <> Isaiah 51:16 <> Luke 1:32 <> John 7:42
<> Acts 13:23 <> Romans 1:3
He was predestined before Abraham came into being. He knew his role
as High Priest, and that it was after the Order of Melchizedek.
<> Psalms 110:4 <> Hebrews 7:25.
Paul spoke of his predestination. <> Romans 8:29-30 <> Ephesians 1:1-11-
He knew he was predestined in <> Micah 5:2-4.
He knew he was predestined in <> Isaiah 7-9 and 42 and 53 and much
much more.
He knew he was like Moses, <> Deuteronomy 18:18. He knew he was the
only way, the only true Messiah, <> John 14:1 <> I John 2:1-4
etc., etc.
He knew he is "me" and you are "me" and I am "me". <> Psalms 40:"7"-8
He knew he is the horn, <> Psalms 148:14, our praise, Praise God for
him.
He knew he is the only begotten, <> Psalms 2:7 and Acts 13:32-34.
He knew he is the prince to the throne for ever and that his role
was to stand at the post of the East Gate in the Temple in Heaven.
<> Ezekiel 46:1-2 <> Revelation 1:5-6 <> Revelation 11:19
Every Sabbath Day (Saturday) kiss the Son as you bring your offerings
to God and praise him because he loves you. <> Psalms 2:12 <> Luke 7:45
<> Psalms 85:10
Now, learn a parable... <> Luke 15:20
Recapping...
We see in <> Isaiah 8:10, "for God is with us" But immediately,
the LORD says clearly with a strong hand, instructing that when
people say it is a confederacy that we are not to believe them,
neither to fear their fear, but to sanctify the LORD of hosts
Himself.
That is, we are to worship the Creator, not a man because "God is
with him." Peter took this concept to task in I Peter 3:15-22
which seems quite clear to me stating pretty much what Isaiah said.
And along these lines, we see an even clearer picture in Acts 10:38.
There is only one Begotten Son according to <> Psalms 2:7 and
Acts 13:32-34. Jesus, TSOM, is the firstborn <> Hebrews 12:22-24
<> Psalms 89:27 <> Revelation 19:1-5 and those that are His shall
obey him, keeping the Commandments of God and the Testimony of
Jesus. Jesus, TSOM, is Ordained after the Order of Melchizedek
by God and is High Priest forever, <> Psalms 110:4 <> Hebrews 4,
5, 6, 7, 8, 9. A prince to the Throne forever, <> Ezekiel 34:24
<> Ezekiel 37:25 <> Acts 3:15 <> Acts 5:31 <> Revelation 1:5-6,
for God sits on the Throne and is ministered to by Jesus, TSOM.
etc., etc.
Recapping...
Therefore, "Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say
unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once
the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut the door, and ye
begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying; Lord, Lord,
open to us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know not whence
ye are." Luke 13:24-25 And like unto it, "Thus saith the Lord GOD;
the gate of the inner court that looketh to the east shall be shut
six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the
day of the new moon it shall be opened. And the prince shall enter
by the way of the porch of that gate without, and shall stand by the
post of the gate, and the priests shall prepare his burnt offering
and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the
gate: then he shall go forth; but the gate shall not be shut until
the evening." <> Ezekiel 46:1-2 And like unto it, "And the key of
the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open,
and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open."
<> Isaiah 22:22 and likened to them all... "And from Jesus Christ,
who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead,
and the prince of kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and
washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and
priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for
ever and ever. Amen.", <> Revelation 1:5-6 and now, "BEHOLD, I STAND
AT THE DOOR AND KNOCK: IF ANY MAN HEAR MY VOICE, AND OPEN THE DOOR,
I WILL COME IN TO HIM, AND WILL SUP WITH HIM, AND HIM WITH ME. TO
HIM THAT OVERCOMETH WILL I GRANT TO SIT WITH ME IN MY THRONE, EVEN
AS I ALSO OVERCAME, AND AM SET DOWN WITH MY FATHER IN HIS THRONE. HE
THAT HATH AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT SAITH UNTO THE CHURCHES."
<> Revelation 3:7 <> Psalms 2:12 <> Psalms 85:10-13 <> etc., etc.
He knows who he is. Now, the question is, do you really know him
or the shadow that came to Paul? <> Judges 9:8-15 Hear me.
Sorry, if you think this is a pathetic attempt at revealing this truth.
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"To the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to
Pure Joy
you......you have posted on the 3rd, on the 2nd, on the 1st, on the 31st,
on the 30th, on the 29th, on the 28th, that's 7 days in a row....so when is
your Sabbath......
***Pure Joy***
"David' Chariot" <beth_ma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3DC74394...@hotmail.com...
David' Chariot
Pure Joy wrote:
>
> But David you broke your own Sabbath to posts.... how hypocritical
> of you......you have posted on the 3rd, on the 2nd, on the 1st, on
> the 31st, on the 30th, on the 29th, on the 28th, that's 7 days in a
> row....so when is your Sabbath......
>
> ***Pure Joy***
LOL. Did you read not to talk to people on the Sabbath Day? I rejoice
in the Sabbath Day on Saturdays and rest from my work, and as I live
far in the country, and 'labour' six days, I rest my case with God,
but thank you for your legalistic concerns for my well being. Please,
let it be far from you to accuse me, but look to your self and do what
is right in your own eyes, and God will judge, knowing when His Sabbath
is as the Gate is opened in Heaven by Jesus, TSOM, our Lord, as it says
in <> Ezekiel 46. Note: <> Revelation 11:19
Did Paul not reason with with the Jews and the Greeks on the Sabbath
day in Acts 18:1. And in verse 6, "And when they opposed themselves,
and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood
be upon your heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go to the
Gentiles." Now, as stated elsewhere, Paul is the Destroyer of the
Gentiles. Seek it out and take heed, for your soul is in your own
hands, and God knows your heart.
I have warned you, and it is written, <> Ezekiel 33:1-20. Take care!
Note: If you feel that you should not post any posts on the Sabbath
Day of God or on the holy day of the pope, that has nothing to do with
me. I do not live by your laws, but by the Law of God, of which I see
no offence rejoicing in his Word and communicating on usenet on His
Holy Day. I have reasoned with you every Sabbath Day, and will be
doing so until my purification, at which time you will perhaps rejoice
because I will not return to the internet after I have fulfilled the
commandment that has been given to me and laid on my heart to fulfil.
"Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy. Six days thou shalt labour
and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD
thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy
daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor
thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made
heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested on the
seventh day, and hallowed it." <> Exodus 20:8-11
Jesus, TSOM, said that he was the Lord even of the Sabbath Day, and
he is the High Priest that opens and no man shuts, and shuts and no
man opens, <> Revelation 3:7, <> Ezekiel 46:1-2. So, on the Sabbath
Day, it is time to see him at the post of the gate and rejoice before
the LORD with thanksgiving and singing, praising the Holy Name of the
LORD our GOD when he may be found, and to kiss the Prince of princes,
<> Revelation 1:5-6, while he is there, for when the evening comes,
then shall many come saying open to us that we may worship the King,
and he shall say, I know not what you are doing here today, it is a
work day and the gate is shut. And there shall be weeping and
gnashing of teeth. Woe to those who hear this Word but refuse it.
Peace be with you.
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Go fish, and if you will catch men out, cast thy net to the right...
<> Luke 5:4 "Launch out into the deep, and let down your nets for a
draught."
Learn a parable...
The kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the
sea, and gathered of every kind: Which, when it was full, they
drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels,
but cast the bad away. <> Matthew 13:47
Remember the Sabbath of the lawgiver (Saturday)
Drink freely at the well of the lawgiver unto eternal life...
<> Numbers 21:18 <> Isaiah 33:22 <> Matthew 10:42 <> James 4:12
"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this
Barry OGrady
>
>"Einstein" <a...@ding.net> wrote in message
>news:8qn8su0a534auhj5p...@4ax.com...
>> You say god created jesus.
>>
>> just read another post that says god and jesus are the same. Others add
>the
>> ghost. Others say god and jesus are different but jesus is older than
>Abraham
>>
>> Dore says she is christ. Karen and Helen say Dore is antichrist. Suiter
>says
>> he understands christianity and politics but nobody else does.
>>
>> Will you christians make up your minds?
>
>There is lots of controversy about things that matter. It doesn't mean
>everyone is right, or that you aren't looking at a bunch of nuts
>onversing - only that there is something there that people care about.
The reason nobody can agree is because everybody makes up their own
version. Each Christian has their own customised version of God.
It's no coincidence that everybody's God agrees with them.
>Think about how many esoteric matters people just yawn and walk by.
>
>Who God is and who Jesus is... these are important matters that spirits of
>man and angel and demon are all concerned with.
Why did your God create demons?
-Barry
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>Griz wrote:
>>
>> >What Newsgroup? Each newsgroup have its own relevant issues, which
>> >one are you using as this seems to be linked to 9 differant NG and
>> >it could not be relevant to all of them.
>> >Sounds like pure pride with no apology and none in the future, are
>> >you saying you have some powers so you know the future?
>>
>> Hi Raymond.
>> Sorry for the mega-cross-post, but I was unsure what group you are
>> posting from.
>
>Hmm. That is against ACC's rules. Changing subjects. It is very
>naughty when a self appointed moderator breaks his own rules.
>
>> I think those words were prophetic in speaking of a pride that
>> would not submit either now, or in the future.
>
>Did Jesus submit to Satan? Nor will I submit to Paul or you, Griz.
>
>> I would say that unless God moves in a mighty way in this current
>> case, that prophecy is destined to be fulfilled.
>
>God is moving, and you are standing against His movement and rest.
So that's what the smell is, a Godly movement.
UJR
"Barry OGrady" <god_fre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eloesusrerhq7rsva...@4ax.com...
> >> Dore says she is christ. Karen and Helen say Dore is antichrist.
>
evil spirits. LOL.
Mark Bassett
<mbasset@not_optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Einstein" <a...@ding.net> wrote in message
> >news:8qn8su0a534auhj5p...@4ax.com...
> >> You say god created jesus.
> >>
> >> just read another post that says god and jesus are the same. Others
add
> >the
> >> ghost. Others say god and jesus are different but jesus is older than
> >Abraham
> >>
> >> Dore says she is christ. Karen and Helen say Dore is antichrist.
Suiter
> >says
> >> he understands christianity and politics but nobody else does.
> >>
> >> Will you christians make up your minds?
> >
> >There is lots of controversy about things that matter. It doesn't mean
> >everyone is right, or that you aren't looking at a bunch of nuts
> >onversing - only that there is something there that people care about.
>
> The reason nobody can agree is because everybody makes up their own
> version. Each Christian has their own customised version of God.
> It's no coincidence that everybody's God agrees with them.
Many people do indeed make up their own version.. However, if you look more
closely it is not quite that way. Really people often hear a flawed or
diverse "version" at first and stay with it, or modufy it.
The reason they hear any version is like the reason who so many people who
have never seen the "mona lisa" know there is one - they have seen a copy
somewhere.
Some people use what they know to get closer to the original. Others just
serve as fuel for mockers (such as yourself) to use as they ignore the
questions of life.
> >Think about how many esoteric matters people just yawn and walk by.
> >
> >Who God is and who Jesus is... these are important matters that spirits
of
> >man and angel and demon are all concerned with.
>
> Why did your God create demons?
He didnt.
Barry OGrady
The reason there are so many versions of God around is that there is no reality
on which to base ideas. There is no God to contradict people.
>Some people use what they know to get closer to the original. Others just
>serve as fuel for mockers (such as yourself) to use as they ignore the
>questions of life.
Ignoring is better than making up answers.
>> >Think about how many esoteric matters people just yawn and walk by.
>> >
>> >Who God is and who Jesus is... these are important matters that spirits
>of
>> >man and angel and demon are all concerned with.
>>
>> Why did your God create demons?
>
>He didnt.
Why do some people think demons exist?
>> -Barry
David' Chariot
Griz wrote:
>
> >What Newsgroup? Each newsgroup have its own relevant issues,
> >which one are you using as this seems to be linked to 9 differant
> >NG and it could not be relevant to all of them.
> >Sounds like pure pride with no apology and none in the future, are you
> >saying you have some powers so you know the future?
>
> Hi Raymond.
> Sorry for the mega-cross-post, but I was unsure what group you are
> posting from.
<>=snip > Yours in Christ,
>
> Griz
And, because you resist the truth. And can't even keep your own rules.
You have chosen to give me an ear, and I will speak...
The 'virgin' nativity is a fable, a fabrication.
If anyone would like to refute this, never mind, they can't. So let's
see what God had to say about this in Isaiah 22.
"And it shall come to pass, that thy choicest valleys shall be full of
chariots, and the horsemen shall set themselves in array at the gate.
And he discovered the covering of Judah, and thou didst look in that
day to the armour of the house of the forest. You have seen also the
breaches of the city of David, that they are many: and ye gathered
together the waters of the lower pool." Isaiah 22:7-9
The time has come for the revelation...
Christianity has turned the children from the Father by declaring a
man, namely, Jesus, TSOM, into a God, and Christendom is worshipping
a man that God ordained to the Office of High Priest after the Order
of Melchizedek.
Note the result of what happens due to this revelation...
"In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall the nail that was that
was fastened in the sure place be removed, and be cut down, and fall;
and the burden that was upon it shall be cut off: for the LORD hath
spoken it." <> Isaiah 22:25
Dies Domini was issued in 1998. About the same time I discovered
"the covering of Judah", <> Isaiah 22:8.
APOSTOLIC LETTER
DIES DOMINI
OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
TO THE BISHOPS, CLERGY AND FAITHFUL OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
ON KEEPING THE LORD'S DAY HOLY
http://www.cin.org/jp2/diesdomi.html
>From the Vatican, on 31 May, the Solemnity of Pentecost,
in the year 1998, the twentieth of my Pontificate.
Just reading the Dies Domini would disturb any genuine disciple.
<> Daniel 7:25 "And he shall speak great words against the most High,
and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change
times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time
and times and the dividing of time. But the judgment shall sit, and
they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto
the end." <> Revelation 13
Before indulging in the awareness of the fabrication of Jesus' birth,
we must understand that Dies Domini states that Sunday is the LORD's
Day, and God said that his Sabbath is Saturday, the seventh day.
"Again, he limiteth a certain day." and "For if Jesus had given
them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God." <> Hebrews 4
That is a "CERTAIN DAY".
"Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall
after the same example of unbelief" <> Hebrews 4:11
"labour"!? Learn how to live and come out of Babylon...
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou
*LABOUR*, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath
of the LORD thy God:" <> Exodus 20:8-10
"Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath
commanded thee. Six days thou shalt *LABOUR*, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:
<> Deuteronomy 5:12-14
Now, here is the ultimate deception in the Bible...
The "Seed of David" through his father Joseph. As Jesus, TSOM, was
the son of Joseph, as prophesied, and we have two witnesses in the
genealogies of both Matthew and Luke.
<> Deuteronomy 18:18 <> Psalms 89:4 <> Psalms 132:11 <> Isaiah 51:16
<> Luke 1:32 <> John 7:42 <> Acts 13:23 <> Romans 1:3
Either Jesus was the son of Joseph, or the OT prophesies and all of
the NT references above are erroneous. Then you must say that God
reneged on his Promise, whereby he swore by...
<> Psalms 89:3, 34-37 <> Psalms 132:11 <> Jeremiah 33:16-22
Please never take any verses given here out of context.
<> Psalms 2:7 crossed with <> Acts 13:32-34
"And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which
was made unto the fathers, God hath fulfilled the same unto us their
children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written
in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to
return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure
mercies of David."
And he fulfils the prophecy of the 'maiden'/'virgin' in Isaiah 7:14,
being the first born of his mother Mary to his father Joseph, Luke 2:48.
And we see that the sin offering was administered, Luke 2:23-24 as
is required in Leviticus 12:2-6
He was already God's son according to <> Number 3:13.
"Because all the firstborn are mine; for on the day that I smote all
the firstborn in the land of Egypt I hallowed unto me all the firstborn
in Israel, both man and beast: mine shall they be: I am the LORD."
Why was the name of Jehoiakim, (Coniah) removed from the genealogy
in Luke, while his grandson Zorobabel remains?
The 'signet' passed from Coniah, <> Jeremiah 22:24, to Zerubbabel
in <> Haggai 2:23. But because of the curse, the names were
altered in the genealogy of Luke, while both retain Zorobabel.
That, my friend, is doctoring. The nativity drama in the New
Testament is just that, a dramatic fabrication and to support
it the genealogy was altered. Even the sorcerers, wise men, or
shepherds, as you like, were a by-product of the Song of Solomon 3:6.
<> Haggai 2:19 "Is the seed yet in the barn? yea, as yet the vine,
and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not
brought forth: from this day I will bless you."
<> Jeremiah 33:24-26 "Moreover the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah,
saying, Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, the
two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off?
thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation
before them. Thus saith the LORD; if my covenant be not with day and
night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;
then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that
I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham,
Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have
mercy on them.
God kept his promise to David concerning his 'seed', and the
'seed' is through Joseph. Not Mary.
There is an interesting thing in the Bible about two witnesses.
We have two witnesses of Joseph's lineage, and that is what is
necessary to establish it as truth. Joseph is Jesus' father,
and the descent is complete.
<> Leviticus 12:2 <> Genesis 17:19
Jesus, TSOM, a true descendent of David. Rightful heir to
the Throne of David. Son of David, predestined <> Micah 5:2-4
Now, how is Jesus, TSOM, God? The truth is that he isn't!
He has a God. <> John 20:17 <> Revelation 3:12 <> The OT
God was with him. <> Isaiah 8:10 <> Acts 10:38
Is God with you or are you worshipping the ordained High Priest?
<> Psalms 110:4 <> Hebrews 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
The Ten Commandments were written by the finger of God, they
are called a FIERY LAW, being that they are Spiritual and are a
covenant FOREVER AND FOREVER.
<> Deuteronomy 31:1-33:2 <> Isaiah 30 <> Matthew 5:17-20 <> Luke 16:31
Remember the Sabbath of the lawgiver (Saturday)
Drink freely at the well of the lawgiver unto eternal life...
<> Numbers 21:18 <> Isaiah 12:3 & 33:22 <> Matthew 10:42 <> James 4:12
David' Chariot
Griz wrote:
Greetings Griz,
As mentioned in my response to your snarl at me, I have posted these
things for your remembrance.
David' Chariot
--------------
> >What Newsgroup? Each newsgroup have its own relevant issues,
> >which one are you using as this seems to be linked to 9 differant
> >NG and it could not be relevant to all of them.
> >Sounds like pure pride with no apology and none in the future, are you
> >saying you have some powers so you know the future?
>
> Hi Raymond.
> Sorry for the mega-cross-post, but I was unsure what group you
> are posting from.
>
<>=snip > Yours in Christ,
>
> Griz
Please confront this issue for us now, Griz. It is not going away...
Griz wrote:
>
|> Hi David
>
|> >You can't have it both ways, Griz. Either it is the Word of God
|> >or it isn't. You want to ignore what is below this paragraph, that
|> >has nothing to do with "me", <> Psalms 40:7-8. Read it and what
does
|> >it say God's will is in verse 8? Do you believe it or not?
>
|> Seeing as how you acknowledge only 11 verses in the whole Bible
|> as God's word, are you in any position to make judgements on what
|> you feel to be, with the exception of 11 verses (the 10 Commandments
|> + the writing on the wall), merely the words of man?
>
|> You are using a "word of God" that you don't even believe in to make
|> your points!
Now for your 11 words... This is number 3, you hear me?
You are playing with fire. As I said, Griz, The only Words of God,
written with His finger and gifted to men, are the Ten Commandments
and the writing on the wall in the book of Daniel. And all the rest
falls under the writing of the scribes, that is, men. And even the
writings of God's hand are copied for us by men. <> Revelation 11:19
Now amongst the words of the Bible, we have snares and traps and you
have dug your self in deep, it is called a pit. And I have been
attempting to draw you out of that hole, but you won't hear of it.
<> Psalms 69:22 <> Psalms 83:16 <> Matthew 13:24-30 <> Isaiah 28:17
You have ditched the subject of the Sabbath, and redirected to another
of your little tangents of gossip out of context in this response.
Alas, what did you avoid? Are you ready to discuss this?
-------8<--------------Snip reinstated
You can't have it both ways, Griz. Either it is the Word of God
or it isn't. You want to ignore what is below this paragraph, that
has nothing to do with "me", <> Psalms 40:7-8. Read it and what does
it say God's will is in verse 8? Do you believe it or not?
You say that the whole Bible is God's Word? Jesus, TSOM, says "For
the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath day." Hmm. Did he insert
the word "day", too?
"Again, he limiteth a certain day." and "For if Jesus had given
them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God." <> Hebrews 4
That is a "CERTAIN DAY". Did I insert "certain day"?
"Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall
after the same example of unbelief" <> Hebrews 4:11
"labour"!?, did I insert that word, too? Why?...
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou
*LABOUR*, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath
of the LORD thy God:" <> Exodus 20:8-10
"Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded
thee. Six days thou shalt *LABOUR*, and do all thy work: But the
seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: <> Deuteronomy 5:12-14
Pull your head out, Griz. God's Word states the Seventh Day is the
Sabbath of the LORD thy God. The Sabbath is the Seventh 'Day'.
Take heed. Return to the LORD and love Him by keeping His Commandments
that he gave to the Children of Israel, those blessed among the nations.
God states that it is a Righteous Law. Who are you, Griz? And Paul?
"To the Law (Ox) and to the Testimony (Ass): If they speak not
according to this word, it is because there is NO LIGHT in them."
<> Isaiah 8:20
Remember the Sabbath Day, and forsake these Ministers who have been
deceitful, ignoring <> Hebrews 7 and demanding that you pay their
way through their life of greedy deceit. <> Isaiah 56:11
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot
or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be
fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least
commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the
least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach
them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
<> Matthew 5:18-19
"And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of
the law to fail." <> Luke 16:17
God's Sermon on the Sabbath Day. <>Isaiah 56:1-12
"greedy dogs, dumb dogs, blind watchmen, they are all ignorant" vv 10-11
"Here is Wisdom... "Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine,
and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to
morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant." <> Isaiah 56:12
But Sunday (to morrow) is not like Saturday (this day), is it?
"And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing
with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of
stone, written with the finger of God."
<> Exodus 31:18
"And the LORD said to Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone
like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables"
<> Exodus 34:1
> Yours in Christ,
>
> Griz
You can hash it over with God and His Word, all right.
Peace be with you through our Lord Jesus Christ
And to Almighty God the Glory for ever and ever
> Griz
David' Chariot
Griz wrote:
>
> >What Newsgroup? Each newsgroup have its own relevant issues,
> >which one are you using as this seems to be linked to 9 differant
> >NG and it could not be relevant to all of them.
> >Sounds like pure pride with no apology and none in the future,
> >are you saying you have some powers so you know the future?
>
> Hi Raymond.
> Sorry for the mega-cross-post, but I was unsure what group you
> are posting from.
<>=snip > Yours in Christ,
>
> Griz
<> Acts 17:18 "What will this babbler say?" Regarding Paul.
<> Ecclesiastes 10:11 "Surely the serpent will bite without enchantment;
and a babbler is no better."
<> Psalms 137 "By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea,
we wept,
when we remembered Zion. WE HANGED OUR HARPS UPON THE WILLOWS IN THE
MIDST THEREOF. For there they that carried us away captive required of
us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing
us one of the songs of Zion. HOW SHALL WE SING THE LORD'S SONG IN A
STRANGE LAND? IF I FORGET THEE, O JERUSALEM, LET MY RIGHT HAND FORGET
ITS CUNNING. If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the
roof of my mouth; if I prefer not JERUSALEM ABOVE MY CHIEF JOY.
Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who
said, RAZE IT, RAZE IT, EVEN TO THE FOUNDATION THEREOF. O DAUGHTER
OF BABYLON, WHO ART TO BE DESTROYED, HAPPY SHALL HE BE, THAT REWARDETH
THEE AS THOU HAST SERVED US. HAPPY SHALL HE BE, THAT TAKETH AND DASHETH
THY LITTLE ONES AGAINST THE STONES."
These Stones...
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
<> Exodus 20:3 <> Matthew 19:17 <> John 20:17
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"To the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to
this word, it is because there is no light in them." <> Isaiah 8:20
"Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven
is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of
his treasure things new and old." <> Matthew 13:52
Peace be with you through our Lord Jesus Christ
Raymond
What was you point in posting all these verses, I love the Bible only what do you think
you proved from them?
David' Chariot
Raymond wrote:
>
> "David' Chariot" <beth_ma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3DF1841D...@hotmail.com...
>
> What was you point in posting all these verses, I love the Bible
> only what do you think you proved from them?
I think it might help if you read the verses given, and then the
point will be made plain. If not, ask God for an understanding.
Raymond
IT would be good for you to think. A verse would give a point, only a whole lot of the
verse in many versions really don't show a point, unless the point was that all verses
show the same in all versions of the Bible. Then God did not post a half dozen of the
same chapter, God doesn't stutter. Now, it would seems you do, as anyone knows, that
works with special aid children, stuttering, is difficult to understand. Is that is the
reason you put them in such a way, to hide that you had no idea, what they said. If you
did know, you would of said so. We all can post hundreds of verses at random and say
see, you understand now? What we would understand is you had no point to start with, and
only like to see your name in the newsgroup. Is that a close assimilation of facts?
Raymond
David' Chariot
Terry Ingram
If anyone would like to refute this, never mind, they can't."
Let's talk about God's promise Genesis 3:15 "And I will put enmity between
thee and the woman, and between thy seed and his seed; it shall bruise thy
head, and thou shall bruise his heal"
Although the humanity name of God's only begotten son Jesus isn't mentioned,
the promise that the seed would come from this woman is clearly stated. This
scripture also stated the messiah's heal would be bruised, while the messiah
would bruise the serpent's head of deceit.
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: Behold, a
virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
This verse tells of the supernatural conception of the messiah...Jesus.
Isaiah 9:6,7 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the
government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called
Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of
Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end,
upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to
establish it with judgement and with justice from henceforth even forever.
The zeal of the LORD of host will perform this
God established the truth that a child or body would be born, and that the
Son would be given.
The performance recorded in Luke 1:31-35
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and
shall call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be callled the Son
of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his
father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever: and of
his kingdom there shall be no end. Then said Mary to the angel, How shall
this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her,
The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall
overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee
shall be callled the Son of God
Jesus was the only begotten Son of God, yet he is called the Son of Man 77
times in the bible to indicate he had a true human body.
Jewish history says when Mary was found to be with child she was forced to
drink the waters of jealousy. This was standard practice when a husband
thought their wife to have played the harlot. Being engaged in Israel was
just as binding as being married. Joseph didn't do this he tryed to keep it
secret because the angel appeared to him. After drinking the waters if the
person was guilty their leg would rot and they would die...if not guilty
there womb would be blessed and they would have a healthy child. And well
Mary didn't die, and The waters of jealousy are mentioned in the scriptures
I don't have my Bible in front of me to look up the scripture.
There is one more thought I have on the birth of the Messiah. Paul stated
that the unbeliever in the home is sanctified through the believer
(paraphrasing) The principle is this... The Holy Ghost sanctified the seed
of Mary thus making it Holy.
Your statements aren't easyily answered questions, and to truelly answer
them would take alot of time. I really wrote this to encourage other
christians in the Faith.
.
David' Chariot
Terry Ingram wrote:
>
> you wrote "The 'virgin' nativity is a fable, a fabrication.
> If anyone would like to refute this, never mind, they can't."
Mary, is from the tribe of Levi from what I gather...
<> Luke 1:5 states that Elisabeth is of the daughters of Aaron.
<> Luke 1:36 states that Elisabeth is Mary's cousin.
> Let's talk about God's promise Genesis 3:15 "And I will put enmity
> between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and his seed; it
> shall bruise thy head, and thou shall bruise his heal"
Declaring this as the first Messianic prophecy is IMO conjecture,
but I will hear more from the likes of those unbiased as well.
'zera,' meaning 'seed' (zayin resh ayin).
Article nun for yours, and article he for hers.
Hmm. It is article 'kaph' in Genesis 3:15? I certainly do not
have much claim for understanding the Hebrew language, maybe you
could explain the difference.
All references below are regarding "seed" [2233].
With the seed of Noah and his sons, a covenant is forged.
<> Genesis 9:9
Furthermore, Abraham's seed is mentioned in Genesis shown below and is
quite clearly the same word, being used for male and female seed...
12:7, "Unto thy seed will I give this land"
13:15, "to thy seed for ever"
13:16, "And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth"
15:3, "And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed"
15:4, "but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels"
<> 15:5, 13, 18
16:10, to Hagar, "I will multiply thy seed exceedingly"
<> 17:7-19
Now cutting to the quick, we see in chapter 17:19, a perpetuity
of the seed of Abraham under covenant through Isaac and his seed.
Above you see no relevance, perhaps that is for your convenience?
Note: Sarah's seed is not mentioned in the above paragraph
summarizing the chapters bearing "seed", however, she is mentioned
as being the mother of nations, but Abraham receives the message in
17:15. The "seed" of Hagar is mentioned in 16:10.
In Genesis 19:31-34 it is made clear that the daughters of Lot did
sleep with their father, reasoning, "Our father is old, and there
is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of
all the earth:..., that we may preserve seed of our father", so
they devised to intoxicate their father, "and lie with, that we
may preserve seed of our Father."
Now the "seed" here is the "seed" of Lot, being his "daughters".
And they are preserving the "seed" of Lot their father because he
has no sons.
Hmm. I'm sure there will be an ensuing discussion in this regard.
<> Seed of David
4690 [sperma]
<> John 7:42
<> Acts 13:23
<> Romans 1:3
> Although the humanity name of God's only begotten son Jesus isn't
> mentioned, the promise that the seed would come from this woman is
> clearly stated. This scripture also stated the messiah's heal would
> be bruised, while the messiah would bruise the serpent's head of
> deceit.
That is a tradition of men. You call it what you like, it is not a
prophecy about the Messaih.
> Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: Behold,
> a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name
> Immanuel.
Behold, she was pregnant with Isaiah's baby already.
> This verse tells of the supernatural conception of the messiah...Jesus.
> Isaiah 9:6,7 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
> and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall
> be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting
> Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and
> peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his
> kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgement and with
> justice from henceforth even forever. The zeal of the LORD of host
> will perform this
As Isaiah 7:14 is spoken for in "The Key to the House of David -
Isaiah 22" thread, we will move on to <> Isaiah 9:6 without delay.
Rest assured that an update will come, I do not have my Hebrew Bible,
Lexicon or 1611 KJV here, but I will make it a point to get them...
The word "of" is a preposition in our language that isn't in the
Hebrew. All through the Bible you have the use of "of" to give
meaning to verses. Jesus, TSOM, is in the office of High Priest.
Many verses do not correspond to the words of Isaiah 9:6 in the titles
given. Nor does the Hebrew have commas. So there is obviously an
absence of the word "of" to be placed which leaves us with...
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the
government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor (of) The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The
Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there
shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to
order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from
henceforth even forever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform
this." Isaiah 9:6-7
Hence, "and his name shall be called wonderful counselor (of) the
Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
wonderful counselor:
High Priest <> Psalms 110:4 <> Hebrews 7:25 <> Isaiah 52:13-15
<> Romans 8:32-34 <> I John 2:1-4
(of) the Mighty God, The everlasting Father,
Self explanatory - God <> John 20:17 <> Revelation 3:12
The Prince of Peace.
A prince to the Throne forever, <> Ezekiel 34:24, <> Ezekiel 37:25
<> Acts 3:15 <> Acts 5:31 <> Revelation 1:5-6, for God sits on the
Throne and is ministered to by Jesus, TSOM. <> Isaiah 52:13-15
> God established the truth that a child or body would be born, and
> that the Son would be given.
He was already God's son according to <> Number 3:13. And he fulfils
the prophecy of the 'maiden'/'virgin' in Isaiah 7:14, being the first
born of his mother Mary to his father Joseph, Luke 2:48.
"Because all the firstborn are mine; for on the day that I smote all the
firstborn in the land of Egypt I hallowed unto me all the firstborn in
Israel, both man and beast: mine shall they be: I am the LORD."
> The performance recorded in Luke 1:31-35
As I said, there is a fabrication.
> And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a
> son, and shall call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall
> be callled the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give
> unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over
> the house of Jacob for ever: and of his kingdom there shall be no
> end. Then said Mary to the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know
> not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost
> shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow
> thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee
> shall be callled the Son of God
And, again, as I see many things, yet there is a fabrication, and
really can't be bothered just now as you have much on your plate.
> Jesus was the only begotten Son of God, yet he is called the Son
> of Man 77 times in the bible to indicate he had a true human body.
And that is why we refer to him as TSOM.
'Trinity' and 'Oneness' doctrines are erroneous.
Jesus, TSOM is not God. <> John 20:17
There is only ONE! And He isn't a man.
God was with him. We see in <> Isaiah 8:10, "for God is with us"
But immediately, the LORD says clearly with a strong hand,
instructing that when people say it is a confederacy that we are
not to believe them, neither to fear their fear, but to sanctify
the LORD of hosts Himself.
That is, we are to worship the Creator, not a man because "God is
with him." Peter took this concept to task in I Peter 3:15-22
which seems quite clear to me stating pretty much what Isaiah said.
And along these lines, we see an even clearer picture in Acts 10:38.
There is only one Begotten Son according to <> Psalms 2:7 and
Acts 13:32-34. Jesus, TSOM, is the firstborn <> Hebrews 12:22-24
<> Psalms 89:27 <> Revelation 19:1-5 and those that are His shall
obey him, keeping the Commandments of God and the Testimony of
Jesus. Jesus, TSOM, is Ordained after the Order of Melchizedek
by God and is High Priest forever, <> Psalms 110:4 <> Hebrews 4,
5, 6, 7, 8, 9. A prince to the Throne forever, <> Ezekiel 34:24
<> Ezekiel 37:25 <> Acts 3:15 <> Acts 5:31 <> Revelation 1:5-6,
for God sits on the Throne and is ministered to by Jesus, TSOM.
etc., etc.
> Jewish history says when Mary was found to be with child she was
> forced to drink the waters of jealousy. This was standard practice
> when a husband thought their wife to have played the harlot. Being
> engaged in Israel was just as binding as being married. Joseph didn't
> do this he tryed to keep it secret because the angel appeared to him.
> After drinking the waters if the person was guilty their leg would
> rot and they would die...if not guilty there womb would be blessed
> and they would have a healthy child. And well Mary didn't die, and
> The waters of jealousy are mentioned in the scriptures I don't have
> my Bible in front of me to look up the scripture.
Seeing as Jesus had to be Joseph's son to fulfill the prophecy, we
see you increasing the fabrication that was already bad as it was.
> There is one more thought I have on the birth of the Messiah. Paul
> stated that the unbeliever in the home is sanctified through the
> believer (paraphrasing) The principle is this... The Holy Ghost
> sanctified the seed of Mary thus making it Holy.
Sanctification is one thing, pregnancy is another. The 'seed' of
sanctification is the 'Word of God' aka 'Ten Commandments'.
> Your statements aren't easyily answered questions, and to truelly
> answer them would take alot of time. I really wrote this to encourage
> other christians in the Faith.
Believe what you want to.
> .
Peace be with you in your studies.
Terry Ingram
said basically there is no trinity.
God in the hebrew in Genesis is translated as Elohim this a a uniplural noun
denoting singularity. Do you know what that means? A word that comes to mind
in the english is family. It may be 1 family with several members in the
home making it 1 but more than 1. This name God calls himself in the Word
has to do with his procreating power.
I wasn't going to use a NT scripture because you seem really opposed to them
but acts 17:29 ...we ought not to think that the Godhead(singular not
heads)is like unto gold,
romans 1:20 for the invisible things of him... are clearly seen,..even his
eternal power and Godhead:
Moses taught God was one deut 6:5
Zechariah believed in one God zechariah 14:9
Malachi preached one God malachi 2:10
The hebrew word for one is ekh-awd and signifies more than a simple unity.
If we study its use in other scriptures we can have a clearer understanding
in the Word.
Genesis 2:24 One flesh...how can this be? a husband and wife have 2 seperate
bodys yet the Word teaches the oneness of their flesh.
Joseph used this word also to tell pharoah "the dream is one" gen 41:26
In the NT the greek carries the same connotation of compound unity as the
hebrew.
1cor 3:6-8
john 17:21
Gal 3:28
Each verse relates to oneness of mind and purpose. So it is with God, he has
one mind, one will, one purpose, one headship.
So I think we clearly agree that the Bible states God is one, neveretheless
within the one Godhead there is a Father realm, Word realm, and Holyghost
realm 1 john 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father,
the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one: There goes that word
again.
The Father realm relates to God's glory (rom 6:4)
Word realm relates to the eternal Christ (john 1;1,2,14)
Holyghost realm relates to God's Spirit (Luke 3:22)
This is God's threefold outflow to man, Christ the Word was in Jesus, and he
also had the Father's glory and the Holy Ghost. This is a great mystery
which cannot be completely understood by the finite human mind. Nevertheless
it can be believed because the Word says so.
Gen 1:26 says let "us" make man...who is us?
numbers 6:24-26 the name LORD is invoked 3 times to show the Father is LORD,
the Word is LORD, and the Holy Ghost is LORD.
Holy,holy,holy is the LORD of hosts isaiah 6:3
There are many more scriptures on this.
David' Chariot
Terry Ingram wrote:
<incontinent drivel>=snip
If you desire to refute the original post, go for it.
I am not going to go the miles and miles of fruitless walking with you.
If you wish to discuss issues under this thread, start with the
original post. Your response has been noted and answered. Go
back and come back with a refutation, not an introduction of new
issues. "The Key to the House of David - Isaiah 22" stands firm.
Peace be with you.
David' Chariot
Terry Ingram wrote:
>
> you wrote so much i'm gonna go to one point and see where this
> leads. You said basically there is no trinity.
Yes, that is correct.
At the moment, I believe another complete and utter fabrication in
the New Testament has just come to light and happen to be too busy
in verification to chat with you. Wait for it, for it will come,
and it will not tarry.
You have faith? <> Romans 1:17 crosses from <> Habakkuk 2:4, just
have a read of that chapter. You believe that was Jesus talking
to Paul in Acts 26:14-18, well think about Satan becoming an angel
of light, <> Luke 10:18, <> John 14:30.
But there are a few things for your consideration regarding 'Trinity'.
Reading the 'Trinity' doctrine it states that co-equal jazz.
Bad music if you ask me. <> John 14:28 <> I Corinthians 11:3
Jesus has a God. <> John 20:17 <> Revelation 3:12
And if you look in my last response to you, many things are revealed.
I know you have many things your self to examine and understand, and
although your view is interesting, look at the creation, where Elohim
said let us make man in our image, and behold, a man and a woman.
If the image were a family, surely, a family would have been created.
Where you get the idea that I am opposed to the New Testament is beyond
me for understanding. Seek out <> Isaiah 34:16-17, and then you go and
attempt to tell me who the mates are for all those creatures, where the
desert is, what is a thorn, a bramble, a palace, and most of all, check
out what the Great Owl is, where is her nest, where did she lay, and as
she hatches her young, who they are, then you wonder about it all and
don't take any notice of me, I am just a disciple.
Terry Ingram
noun. So you would understand where I was coming from as far as all the
genealogy questions I've studied them and Jesus has two geneaolgies recorded
in the scriptures and I'm not going to get into that because it would take a
long time and you'd probably would say it wasn't true but really the
scriptures speak clearly on this and it says avoid foolish questions on
genealogies. You didn't address anything about God's nature or the
scriptures I gave stating he is one and three if you would have perhaps I
could have shown you he is even more than that.news:3DF74512...@hotmail.com...
David' Chariot
Terry Ingram wrote:
>
> I didn't say family was the word I gave it in context to explain a uniplural
> noun. So you would understand where I was coming from as far as all the
> genealogy questions I've studied them and Jesus has two geneaolgies recorded
> in the scriptures and I'm not going to get into that because it would take a
> long time and you'd probably would say it wasn't true but really the
> scriptures speak clearly on this and it says avoid foolish questions on
> genealogies. You didn't address anything about God's nature or the
> scriptures I gave stating he is one and three if you would have perhaps I
> could have shown you he is even more than that.
<>=snip
I believe God is All in All. I believe in Jesus, too.
I wasn't asking any questions, but thanks for the offer.
Peace be with you.
Terry Ingram
If it isn't a prophecy what is it? It's speaking of the future when it was
given.
I'm gonna go against my better judgement and try to explain this seed to you
then I'm done. I don't want to write a book to answer a question but that's
how your questions are geared. Then you shoot down the responses and label
the scriptures as not saying what they say.
After receiving the spiritual seed of promise, Adam female passed it to her
husband. God originally intended the seed to pass down through Adam male and
females son Abel, However, when Cain slew Abel, God did not let the promised
seed perish in death. They had another son Seth who carried the seed. This
seed was passed down to Noah's son Shem until it reached Abraham. This seed
was the humanity seed.
To Abraham God gave another Seed, the promise of the divine seed of Christ.
So Abraham then had two seeds as it were the seed of the Saviors humanity
and the Divine Seed of Christ. These two seeds were passed miraculously to
Isaac gen 15:1-5, gal 3:16
The humanity and Divine seeds were passed along together but were not joined
into oneness until they reached King David, in whose loins they became two
seperate streams of revelations.
The humanity seed traveled down the loins of Nathan while Divine Christ Seed
traveled down the loins of Solomon.
Joseph was of the lineage of Solomon and although he possessed this seed he
couldn't pass it to Mary in a natural physical way because the Messiah was
ordained to be born of a virgin.
Mary was a descendant of Nathan, and carried the humanity seed. Not until
she became espoused to Joseph did she receive the Divine seed of promise.
God did another miracle here as he did in the death of Abel and removed the
seed from Joseph and gave the divine seed of Christ to Mary.
The virgin MAry then had both these supernatural seeds of promise, but they
still were seperate. Since the seeds were seperate Mary was unaware of what
she possessed until Gabriel greeted her saying " Hail thou art highly
favored the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women"
Mary recieved the promise but the seeds did not become one until the Holy
Ghost overshadowed her as she testified of the promise.
This supernatural conception made Jesus Christ truely God and truely man.
Jesus was born not of physical seed of Joseph; however as the legal husband
of Mary, Joseph provided Jesus with a legitimate birth and inheritance from
the lineage of David. Matthew records Josephs lineage(1:18-25)
Please don't put 8 million things you want me to address in the future 1 or
2 points is fine
Mark Bassett
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> you wrote so much i'm gonna go to one point and see where this leads. You
> said basically there is no trinity.
>
> God in the hebrew in Genesis is translated as Elohim this a a uniplural
noun
> denoting singularity. Do you know what that means? A word that comes to
mind
> in the english is family. It may be 1 family with several members in the
> home making it 1 but more than 1. This name God calls himself in the Word
> has to do with his procreating power.
ELOHIM AND THE PLURAL PASSAGES
http://www.altupc.com/articles/elohimpl.htm
Terry Ingram
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Richard Robertson
> said basically there is no trinity.
that there is no trinity.
>
> God in the hebrew in Genesis is translated as Elohim this a a uniplural
noun
> denoting singularity.
Yes, and no. Ancient Hebrew is what is known as a "twilight" language. In
Hebrew a word can have several different meanings, all of which are valid at
the same time. Also it tends to have active rather than passive verbs
("doing" vs "do").
Elohim is better translated as the Goddess/Gods. (El-root, diety. o -
suffix, feminine singular. him - suffix, masculine plural)
Richard Robertson
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David' Chariot
You missed "zorobabel", the son of Salathiel, the son of Coniah.
<> Haggai 2:23 <> Matthew 1:12 <> 3:27 Both genealogies are of Joseph.
Thank you for your conjecture.
David' Chariot
>
> >What Newsgroup? Each newsgroup have its own relevant issues, which
> >one are you using as this seems to be linked to 9 differant NG and
> >it could not be relevant to all of them.
> >Sounds like pure pride with no apology and none in the future, are
> >you saying you have some powers so you know the future?
>
> Hi Raymond.
> Sorry for the mega-cross-post, but I was unsure what group you are
> posting from.
Hmm. That is against ACC's rules. Changing subjects. It is very
naughty when a self appointed moderator breaks his own rules.
> I think those words were prophetic in speaking of a pride that
> would not submit either now, or in the future.
Did Jesus submit to Satan? Nor will I submit to Paul or you, Griz.
> I would say that unless God moves in a mighty way in this current
> case, that prophecy is destined to be fulfilled.
God is moving, and you are standing against His movement and rest.
> We ask Lord that you would be revealed to all who seek you, and
> that the folly of those who seek something else would be revealed
> for all with vision, to see.
Remember to lift up the head. <> Psalms 110:7 <> I Corinthians 11:3
Word 9 - reposted for Terry Ingram. Dianetic man?
Praise God and our Father, and His Anointed.
He knew he wasn't God. <> Revelation 3:12 <> John 14:28 <> John 17
<> Psalms 69:22-23 <> John 20:17 <> Psalms 22:9-10 <> Psalms 83:16
He knew his place at the right hand of God. <> I Corinthians 15:20-28
<> Psalms 110:1-7 <> Psalms 2:6 <> Jeremiah 33:17-18
He knew he was the Son of David. <> Psalms 89:3-37 <> Psalms 132:11
<> Jeremiah 33:16-22 <> Isaiah 51:16 <> Luke 1:32 <> John 7:42
<> Acts 13:23 <> Romans 1:3
He was predestined before Abraham came into being. He knew his role
as High Priest, and that it was after the Order of Melchizedek.
<> Psalms 110:4 <> Hebrews 7:25.
Paul spoke of his predestination. <> Romans 8:29-30 <> Ephesians 1:1-11-
He knew he was predestined in <> Micah 5:2-4.
He knew he was predestined in <> Isaiah 7-9 and 42 and 53 and much
much more.
He knew he was like Moses, <> Deuteronomy 18:18. He knew he was the
only way, the only true Messiah, <> John 14:1 <> I John 2:1-4
etc., etc.
He knew he is "me" and you are "me" and I am "me". <> Psalms 40:"7"-8
He knew he is the horn, <> Psalms 148:14, our praise, Praise God for
him.
He knew he is the only begotten, <> Psalms 2:7 and Acts 13:32-34.
He knew he is the prince to the throne for ever and that his role
was to stand at the post of the East Gate in the Temple in Heaven.
<> Ezekiel 46:1-2 <> Revelation 1:5-6 <> Revelation 11:19
Every Sabbath Day (Saturday) kiss the Son as you bring your offerings
to God and praise him because he loves you. <> Psalms 2:12 <> Luke 7:45
<> Psalms 85:10
Now, learn a parable... <> Luke 15:20
Recapping...
We see in <> Isaiah 8:10, "for God is with us" But immediately,
the LORD says clearly with a strong hand, instructing that when
people say it is a confederacy that we are not to believe them,
neither to fear their fear, but to sanctify the LORD of hosts
Himself.
That is, we are to worship the Creator, not a man because "God is
with him." Peter took this concept to task in I Peter 3:15-22
which seems quite clear to me stating pretty much what Isaiah said.
And along these lines, we see an even clearer picture in Acts 10:38.
There is only one Begotten Son according to <> Psalms 2:7 and
Acts 13:32-34. Jesus, TSOM, is the firstborn <> Hebrews 12:22-24
<> Psalms 89:27 <> Revelation 19:1-5 and those that are His shall
obey him, keeping the Commandments of God and the Testimony of
Jesus. Jesus, TSOM, is Ordained after the Order of Melchizedek
by God and is High Priest forever, <> Psalms 110:4 <> Hebrews 4,
5, 6, 7, 8, 9. A prince to the Throne forever, <> Ezekiel 34:24
<> Ezekiel 37:25 <> Acts 3:15 <> Acts 5:31 <> Revelation 1:5-6,
for God sits on the Throne and is ministered to by Jesus, TSOM.
etc., etc.
Recapping...
Michael Oglesby
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>
Thanks for reminding me. This weekend it's time to wash the hogs again.
>
>
Terry Ingram
means to speak under the annointing...so your definition doesn't line up
with the meaning. Jesus prophesied of many things and many of his prophecies
don't fit your definition. And prophecy doesn't just show future events it
can also go into eternity past...jer 4:23-27 I guess this isn't prophecy in
your defintion although I do believe Jeremiah was writing under the
annointing.
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> >
> > "David' Chariot" <beth_ma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:3DF6A892...@hotmail.com...
> > > prophecy about the Messaih.
> >
> > If it isn't a prophecy what is it? It's speaking of the future when it
was
> > given.
>
> Prophecy must be specific -- that is, who, what, when, where, how.
> See Jonah 3 for an excellent example. Who? Ninevites. What?
> Destroyed. When? 40 days. Where? Nineveh. How? G-d is going
> to destroy the city.
>
> That's prophecy. Not this weird out of context quoting of small blurbs
> which you are trying to pass off.
>
> -- Julie.
>
>
Pure Joy
> > between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and his seed; it
> > shall bruise thy head, and thou shall bruise his heal"
> 'zera,' meaning 'seed' (zayin resh ayin).
> Article nun for yours, and article he for hers.
> Hmm. It is article 'kaph' in Genesis 3:15? I certainly do not
> have much claim for understanding the Hebrew language, maybe you
> could explain the difference.
From the Strong's Concordance......
www.e-sword
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between
thy seed2233 and her seed;2233 it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt
bruise his heel.
H2233
zera?
zeh'-rah
From H2232; seed; figuratively fruit, plant, sowing time, posterity: - X
carnally, child, fruitful, seed (-time), sowing-time.
My apologies to the groups to whom this is cross-posted and who are not
interested in these things....
you don't have to be concerned about my continuing any discussions with
David....
but I did want offer others a chance to see the Hebrew word for seed in Gen
3:15......
***Pure Joy***
snipped the rest......
David' Chariot
Pure Joy wrote:
>
> "David' Chariot" <beth_ma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3DF6A892...@hotmail.com...
> > > Let's talk about God's promise Genesis 3:15 "And I will put enmity
> > > between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and his seed; it
> > > shall bruise thy head, and thou shall bruise his heal"
>
> > 'zera,' meaning 'seed' (zayin resh ayin).
> > Article nun for yours, and article he for hers.
>
> > Hmm. It is article 'kaph' in Genesis 3:15? I certainly do not
> > have much claim for understanding the Hebrew language, maybe you
> > could explain the difference.
>
> From the Strong's Concordance......
>
> www.e-sword
>
> Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between
> thy seed2233 and her seed;2233 it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt
> bruise his heel.
>
> H2233
>
> zera?
>
> zeh'-rah
>
> From H2232; seed; figuratively fruit, plant, sowing time, posterity: - X
> carnally, child, fruitful, seed (-time), sowing-time.
>
> My apologies to the groups to whom this is cross-posted and who are not
> interested in these things....
You needn't apologize. All are recipients of truth.
> you don't have to be concerned about my continuing any discussions with
> David....
There is not concern. If you will, continue. If not, forbear the Word.
> but I did want offer others a chance to see the Hebrew word for seed
> in Gen 3:15......
And look for that 'seed' in Revelation 12:12-17.
Note: Paul's Jesus, <> Acts 26:14-18, <> Luke 10:18, is the Dragon.
> ***Pure Joy***
>
> snipped the rest......
How convenient. So did you have a point?
Aren't you one who has hatched the cockatrice eggs of I Corinthians 12?
David' Chariot
Griz wrote:
>
> >What Newsgroup? Each newsgroup have its own relevant issues,
> >which one are you using as this seems to be linked to 9 differant
> >NG and it could not be relevant to all of them.
> >Sounds like pure pride with no apology and none in the future, are you
> >saying you have some powers so you know the future?
>
> Hi Raymond.
> Sorry for the mega-cross-post, but I was unsure what group you
> are posting from.
>
<>=snip > Yours in Christ,
>
> Griz
Please confront this issue for us now, Griz. It is not going away...
-------8<--------------Snip reinstated
"Again, he limiteth a certain day." and "For if Jesus had given
them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God." <> Hebrews 4
That is a "CERTAIN DAY". Did I insert "certain day"?
"Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall
after the same example of unbelief" <> Hebrews 4:11
"labour"!?, did I insert that word, too? Why?...
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou
*LABOUR*, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath
of the LORD thy God:" <> Exodus 20:8-10
"Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded
thee. Six days thou shalt *LABOUR*, and do all thy work: But the
seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: <> Deuteronomy 5:12-14
Pull your head out, Griz. God's Word states the Seventh Day is the
Sabbath of the LORD thy God. The Sabbath is the Seventh 'Day'.
Take heed. Return to the LORD and love Him by keeping His Commandments
that he gave to the Children of Israel, those blessed among the nations.
God states that it is a Righteous Law. Who are you, Griz? And Paul?
"To the Law (Ox) and to the Testimony (Ass): If they speak not
according to this word, it is because there is NO LIGHT in them."
<> Isaiah 8:20
Remember the Sabbath Day, and forsake these Ministers who have been
deceitful, ignoring <> Hebrews 7 and demanding that you pay their
way through their life of greedy deceit. <> Isaiah 56:11
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot
or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be
fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least
commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the
least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach
them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
<> Matthew 5:18-19
"And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of
the law to fail." <> Luke 16:17
God's Sermon on the Sabbath Day. <>Isaiah 56:1-12
"greedy dogs, dumb dogs, blind watchmen, they are all ignorant" vv 10-11
"Here is Wisdom... "Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine,
and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to
morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant." <> Isaiah 56:12
But Sunday (to morrow) is not like Saturday (this day), is it?
"And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing
with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of
stone, written with the finger of God."
<> Exodus 31:18
"And the LORD said to Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone
like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables"
<> Exodus 34:1
> Yours in Christ,
>
> Griz
You can hash it over with God and His Word, all right.
Peace be with you through our Lord Jesus Christ
And to Almighty God the Glory for ever and ever
> Griz
Obadiah Freeman
> Griz wrote:
>
> |> Seeing as how you acknowledge only 11 verses in the whole Bible
> |> as God's word, are you in any position to make judgements on what
> |> you feel to be, with the exception of 11 verses (the 10 Commandments
> |> + the writing on the wall), merely the words of man?
> >
> |> You are using a "word of God" that you don't even believe in to make
> |> your points!
>
> Now for your 11 words... This is number 3, you hear me?
>
> You are playing with fire. As I said, Griz, The only Words of God,
> written with His finger and gifted to men, are the Ten Commandments
> and the writing on the wall in the book of Daniel. And all the rest
> falls under the writing of the scribes, that is, men. And even the
> writings of God's hand are copied for us by men.
Exodus 31:18
31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing
with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of
stone, written with the finger of God.
Tell me David', who wrote Exodus 31:18? Was it God? Or was it Moses?
How do you know that God wrote the Ten Commandments with His finger?
It doesn't say that in the Ten Commandments.
God bless you.
Obadiah Freeman
--
http://obadiah-freeman.150m.com
David' Chariot
Believe what you want to. What has that to do with me.
> God bless you.
> Obadiah Freeman
> --
> http://obadiah-freeman.150m.com
"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise
pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall
break on of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall
be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and
teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the
righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter
into the kingdom of heaven." <> Matthew 5:18-20
Tell me Obadiah, who wrote Matthew 5:18-20? Was it God? Or was it
Matthew? How do you know that Jesus spoke these words regarding the
commandments? It doesn't say that in the Ten Commandments.
"Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in
Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments." <> Malachi 4:4
Tell me Obadiah, who wrote Malachi 4:4? Was it God? Or was it
Malachi? How do you know that Malachi wrote these words regarding
the commandments? It doesn't say that in the Ten Commandments.
"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to
the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For
without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and
idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie." <> Revelation
22:14-15
Tell me Obadiah, who wrote Revelation 22:14-15? Was it God? Or was
it John? How do you know that John wrote these words regarding the
commandments? It doesn't say that in the Ten Commandments.
"But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the
Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons
with God. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified." <*> Romans 2:10-13 *=context
Ben mitts
Obfuscating again as usual
when confronted with The
Truth David!
Lets see, it was important
use lies against Griz but
when you are confronted in
your lie you do the obvious!
Trolling as usual I see, David!
--
Ben Mitts;
God Bless You in The Name of Jesus. And
as always in Jesus Christ!
"To sum up the Doctrine of Election, we may say that The
Elect of God are the who so ever will class who chose to
come and take the water of life freely and the non-elect
are the whosoever will not class who chose to reject the
Gospel"- God's Plan For Man, Finis Jennings Dake, Pg 620
Luke 19:10
10 For the Son of Man has come to seek and save that
which is lost
Act 2:21;
21 And it shall come to pass that whosoever shall call
on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:9-10;
9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord,
and believe in your heart that God raised Him from
the dead, you shall be saved;
10 for with the heart man believes, resulting in right-
eousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting
in salvation.
Rom 10:13;
13 "for Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord will
be saved.
"God sees your heart and hears your prayer. Eternal
life with God is yours when by faith you believe on
Jesus Christ for salvation."
David' Chariot
LOL I revel in the Light and the shedding thereof.
> Lets see, it was important
> use lies against Griz but
> when you are confronted in
> your lie you do the obvious!
I tell you truly that Griz has yet to confess the truth.
And it is not going away.
> Trolling as usual I see, David!
That all of you ministers and adherents of error and diversion
refuse to receive correction has nothing to do with me. You as
yet have not understood the patience of the saints, and you think
that anything you that you have to say matters to those who are
born of truth?
> --
>
> Ben Mitts;
>
> God Bless You in The Name of Jesus. And
> as always in Jesus Christ!
Many shall come in Jesus Name and he never knew them. For the
Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath day.
<error>=snip
Raymond
:-)
"Ben mitts" <bmit...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:3E1B9F69...@comcast.net...
Ben mitts
What light is that David! Your
not even Born Again, you reject
just about all of Scripture so
what light is it you revel in?!
>
> > Lets see, it was important
> > use lies against Griz but
> > when you are confronted in
> > your lie you do the obvious!
>
> I tell you truly that Griz has yet to confess the truth.
> And it is not going away.
I can back up what Griz writes with
Scripture ref., how come no one can
do the same with you David?!
>
> > Trolling as usual I see, David!
>
> That all of you ministers and adherents of error and diversion
> refuse to receive correction has nothing to do with me. You as
> yet have not understood the patience of the saints, and you think
> that anything you that you have to say matters to those who are
> born of truth?
Then why bother trying to bring down
Gods Kingdom with what you believe of
it? Why do you stay out here making a
fool of yourself trying to convince
everyone you know what you are talking
about but fail to convince anyone your
ability to do so?! Why is it you back
away from having to prove the Truths
od Scripture unless you can do it in
your own words which mainly consist of
lies?
>
> > --
> >
> > Ben Mitts;
> >
> > God Bless You in The Name of Jesus. And
> > as always in Jesus Christ!
>
> Many shall come in Jesus Name and he never knew them. For the
> Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath day.
Ah, but He knows me David because I
have been Born Again into the new-
ness of Life which can only come by
Baptism of The Holy Spirit which you
have yet to succumb to David!
Do you know how one becomes Born Again
David?!
--
Ben Mitts;
God Bless You in The Name of Jesus. And
as always in Jesus Christ!
"To sum up the Doctrine of Election, we may say that The
Ben mitts
>
> He can not help himself, you know he has these problems.......
You know it! I know it! but
lets hope and pray God can
get through to Him Before it
is to late! Amen!
David' Chariot
Did I say that I was not born again? I understand the Holy One
and His Word, and I see the unholy one and his word. What you
assume is your assumption, and your assumption is that you may
speak for me. If you hope to walk in the light, learn patience.
> > > Lets see, it was important
> > > use lies against Griz but
> > > when you are confronted in
> > > your lie you do the obvious!
> >
> > I tell you truly that Griz has yet to confess the truth.
> > And it is not going away.
>
> I can back up what Griz writes with
> Scripture ref., how come no one can
> do the same with you David?!
Because most of what I state is scripture from the Old and New
Testaments. Perhaps you should buy a Bible that has an Old
Testament in it as well. They are available these days.
> > > Trolling as usual I see, David!
> >
> > That all of you ministers and adherents of error and diversion
> > refuse to receive correction has nothing to do with me. You as
> > yet have not understood the patience of the saints, and you think
> > that anything you that you have to say matters to those who are
> > born of truth?
>
> Then why bother trying to bring down
> Gods Kingdom with what you believe of
> it? Why do you stay out here making a
> fool of yourself trying to convince
> everyone you know what you are talking
> about but fail to convince anyone your
> ability to do so?! Why is it you back
> away from having to prove the Truths
> od Scripture unless you can do it in
> your own words which mainly consist of
> lies?
LOL And I suppose your joining in pact with the other teachers
of error here on ACC, where you "Agreed." that you weren't going
to speak with me was just a show to play both sides of the street?
You come to me stating that I speak lies, yet you do not reprove
the words that I say. What kind of a person would listen to any
of your nonsensical drivel as if you were someone. You are no
more than stubble and what will you do when fire comes to you?
> >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Ben Mitts;
> > >
> > > God Bless You in The Name of Jesus. And
> > > as always in Jesus Christ!
> >
> > Many shall come in Jesus Name and he never knew them. For the
> > Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath day.
>
> Ah, but He knows me David because I
> have been Born Again into the new-
> ness of Life which can only come by
> Baptism of The Holy Spirit which you
> have yet to succumb to David!
You arrogancy of assumptions never ceases within you. You think
because you have found a nice false doctrine that all must succumb
to your surface joy of lipservice? LOL When you show the learning
of the meaning of patience, then you will receive more than your
artificial mouthing and verbal pride of life.
> Do you know how one becomes Born Again
> David?!
Obviously, I am born again. It is an incredible experience, Ben,
and that is only the beginning. There is more than complacency
for a disciple of Jesus Christ than lipservice, but after your 56
years of lipservice it appears that you have lost the validation...
No Patience, Ben. What can be done for you in your lipservices?
David' Chariot
Ben mitts wrote:
>
> Raymond wrote:
> >
> > He can not help himself, you know he has these problems.......
>
> You know it! I know it! but
> lets hope and pray God can
> get through to Him Before it
> is to late! Amen!
LOL The Pot and the Kettle telling the Water it's dirty.
Ben mitts
>
> Ben mitts wrote:
> >
> > Raymond wrote:
> > >
> > > He can not help himself, you know he has these problems.......
> >
> > You know it! I know it! but
> > lets hope and pray God can
> > get through to Him Before it
> > is to late! Amen!
>
> LOL The Pot and the Kettle telling the Water it's dirty.
This the best you can do?
David' Chariot
Ben mitts wrote:
>
> David' Chariot wrote:
> >
> > Ben mitts wrote:
> > >
> > > Raymond wrote:
> > > >
> > > > He can not help himself, you know he has these problems.......
> > >
> > > You know it! I know it! but
> > > lets hope and pray God can
> > > get through to Him Before it
> > > is to late! Amen!
> >
> > LOL The Pot and the Kettle telling the Water it's dirty.
>
> This the best you can do?
Have you learned what the patience of the saints is yet, Ben?
Not. Learn Patience, and discover the Water of Life.
Ben mitts
>
> Ben mitts wrote:
> >
> > David' Chariot wrote:
> > >
> > > Ben mitts wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Raymond wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > He can not help himself, you know he has these problems.......
> > > >
> > > > You know it! I know it! but
> > > > lets hope and pray God can
> > > > get through to Him Before it
> > > > is to late! Amen!
> > >
> > > LOL The Pot and the Kettle telling the Water it's dirty.
> >
> > This the best you can do?
>
> "Have you learned what the patience of the saints is yet, Ben?"
Have you learned what Truth is, David!
David' Chariot
Ben mitts wrote:
>
> David' Chariot wrote:
> >
> > Ben mitts wrote:
> > >
> > > David' Chariot wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ben mitts wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Raymond wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He can not help himself, you know he has these problems.......
> > > > >
> > > > > You know it! I know it! but
> > > > > lets hope and pray God can
> > > > > get through to Him Before it
> > > > > is to late! Amen!
> > > >
> > > > LOL The Pot and the Kettle telling the Water it's dirty.
> > >
> > > This the best you can do?
> >
> > "Have you learned what the patience of the saints is yet, Ben?"
>
> Have you learned what Truth is, David!
As has been explained many times, Ben. Learn Patience and we will
talk about your next step. At present, you do not know God nor do
you keep or teach His Patience. <> Isaiah 66:17
My, my. Some people are just as thick as the wall of China is long,
and you still can't convince them that there are a few bricks missing
at the top. Now, go figure.
Ben mitts
> > > "Have you learned what the patience of the saints is yet, Ben?"
> >
> > Have you learned what Truth is, David!
>
> As has been explained many times, Ben. Learn Patience and we will
> talk about your next step. At present, you do not know God nor do
> you keep or teach His Patience. <> Isaiah 66:17
This your usual attempt to obfuscate
on the issue at hand, David! Be a man
and admit that you dont know the answer!
There is no shame before The Lord if one
does not know the answer! No one knows
the Truth until they come to God on bent
knee and He tells them what is Truth!
Until then, your nothing but a Troll
looking to see who you can destroy!
Just a simple answer David! You make cer-
tain claims about what is and the Bible
isn't so why cant you answer my question!
All those who love God, through Jesus Christ
know the answer, David how come you dont?
David' Chariot
Ben mitts wrote:
>
> David' Chariot wrote:
>
> > > > "Have you learned what the patience of the saints is yet, Ben?"
> > >
> > > Have you learned what Truth is, David!
> >
> > As has been explained many times, Ben. Learn Patience and we will
> > talk about your next step. At present, you do not know God nor do
> > you keep or teach His Patience. <> Isaiah 66:17
>
> This your usual attempt to obfuscate
> on the issue at hand, David! Be a man
> and admit that you dont know the answer!
> There is no shame before The Lord if one
> does not know the answer! No one knows
> the Truth until they come to God on bent
> knee and He tells them what is Truth!
>
> Until then, your nothing but a Troll
> looking to see who you can destroy!
>
> Just a simple answer David! You make cer-
> tain claims about what is and the Bible
> isn't so why cant you answer my question!
>
> All those who love God, through Jesus Christ
> know the answer, David how come you dont?
LOL You will get know-ware when you learn patience.
Believe what you want to, but what you believe now
will get you nowhere.
You do not teach Patience. Therefore, you do not know her.
Ben mitts
>
> Ben mitts wrote:
> >
> > David' Chariot wrote:
> >
> > > > > "Have you learned what the patience of the saints is yet, Ben?"
> > > >
> > > > Have you learned what Truth is, David!
> > >
> > > As has been explained many times, Ben. Learn Patience and we will
> > > talk about your next step. At present, you do not know God nor do
> > > you keep or teach His Patience. <> Isaiah 66:17
On the contrary, David! It has
been revealed to me who it is
who assures me Spiritually that
I am His and that He loves me
because He Baptized me in His
Blood!
So much for me, David! Now what
about you David, are you saved
as yet! No? Do you want to be
david!
Oh! What! you cant get saved!
You only believe in the Ten Com-
mandments right David?!
David' Chariot
Ben mitts wrote:
>
> David' Chariot wrote:
> >
> > Ben mitts wrote:
> > >
> > > David' Chariot wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > "Have you learned what the patience of the saints is yet, Ben?"
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you learned what Truth is, David!
> > > >
> > > > As has been explained many times, Ben. Learn Patience and we will
> > > > talk about your next step. At present, you do not know God nor do
> > > > you keep or teach His Patience. <> Isaiah 66:17
>
> On the contrary, David! It has
> been revealed to me who it is
> who assures me Spiritually that
> I am His and that He loves me
> because He Baptized me in His
> Blood!
>
> So much for me, David! Now what
> about you David, are you saved
> as yet! No? Do you want to be
> david!
>
> Oh! What! you cant get saved!
> You only believe in the Ten Com-
> mandments right David?!
"Here is the patience of the saints: Here are they that keep the
commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." <> Revelation 14:12
"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to
this word, it is because there is no light in them." <> Isaiah 8:20
"Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples." <> Isaiah 8:16
Raymond
"Ben mitts" <bmit...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:3E1C93D7...@comcast.net...
> Raymond wrote:
> >
> > He can not help himself, you know he has these problems.......
>
> You know it! I know it! but
> lets hope and pray God can
> get through to Him Before it
> is to late! Amen!
>
Raymond
"David' Chariot" <beth_ma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3E1CB32E...@hotmail.com...
>
>
> Ben mitts wrote:
> >
> > Raymond wrote:
> > >
> > > He can not help himself, you know he has these problems.......
> >
> > You know it! I know it! but
> > lets hope and pray God can
> > get through to Him Before it
> > is to late! Amen!
>
> LOL The Pot and the Kettle telling the Water it's dirty.
Yeah, why not, we give you two witnesses and you still don't know the water your in is dirty, and full of filthy lies.
Then the bible says that is all we need two, three would be better, Im sure we can come up with a third. That would be
something to see, a trinity, of folks showing you your errors.
David' Chariot
Raymond wrote:
>
> "David' Chariot" <beth_ma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3E1CB32E...@hotmail.com...
> >
> >
> > Ben mitts wrote:
> > >
> > > Raymond wrote:
> > > >
> > > > He can not help himself, you know he has these problems.......
> > >
> > > You know it! I know it! but
> > > lets hope and pray God can
> > > get through to Him Before it
> > > is to late! Amen!
> >
> > LOL The Pot and the Kettle telling the Water it's dirty.
>
> Yeah, why not, we give you two witnesses and you still don't know the water your in is dirty, and full of filthy lies.
> Then the bible says that is all we need two, three would be better, Im sure we can come up with a third. That would be
> something to see, a trinity, of folks showing you your errors.
Every idle word is duly noted, Raymond.
Raymond
"David' Chariot" <beth_ma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3E1E8FB9...@hotmail.com...
Raymond
> >
> > Raymond wrote:
> > >
> > > He can not help himself, you know he has these problems.......
> >
> > You know it! I know it! but
> > lets hope and pray God can
> > get through to Him Before it
> > is to late! Amen!
>
> LOL The Pot and the Kettle telling the Water it's dirty.
Yeah, we care for all, the pot, the kettle and the water, that what only good things can be made, and it will be clean
and refreshing as it would be from the Lord. So you still want dirty water, then you do know it could make you sick.
We care and the Pot and Kettle will always try to make such only the pure and clean the best water is used. Thank you
for showing the world WE CARE!
Raymond
"Ben mitts" <bmit...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:3E1CC998...@comcast.net...
> David' Chariot wrote:
> >
> > Ben mitts wrote:
> > >
> > > Raymond wrote:
> > > >
> > > > He can not help himself, you know he has these problems.......
> > >
> > > You know it! I know it! but
> > > lets hope and pray God can
> > > get through to Him Before it
> > > is to late! Amen!
> >
> > LOL The Pot and the Kettle telling the Water it's dirty.
>
> This the best you can do?
Seems he likes dirty water, and so that is the best he could do.
Obadiah Freeman
>
> Obadiah Freeman wrote:
> >
> > David' Chariot <beth_ma...@hotmail.com> writes:
> >
> > > Griz wrote:
> > >
> > > |> Seeing as how you acknowledge only 11 verses in the whole Bible
> > > |> as God's word, are you in any position to make judgements on what
> > > |> you feel to be, with the exception of 11 verses (the 10 Commandments
> > > |> + the writing on the wall), merely the words of man?
> > > >
> > > |> You are using a "word of God" that you don't even believe in to make
> > > |> your points!
> > >
> > > Now for your 11 words... This is number 3, you hear me?
> > >
> > > You are playing with fire. As I said, Griz, The only Words of God,
> > > written with His finger and gifted to men, are the Ten Commandments
> > > and the writing on the wall in the book of Daniel. And all the rest
> > > falls under the writing of the scribes, that is, men. And even the
> > > writings of God's hand are copied for us by men.
> >
> > Exodus 31:18
> >
> > 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing
> > with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of
> > stone, written with the finger of God.
> >
> > Tell me David', who wrote Exodus 31:18? Was it God? Or was it Moses?
> > How do you know that God wrote the Ten Commandments with His finger?
> > It doesn't say that in the Ten Commandments.
>
> Believe what you want to. What has that to do with me.
Sorry David', I didn't mean to confuse you. You wrote:
> The only Words of God, written with His finger and gifted to men,
> are the Ten Commandments and the writing on the wall in the book of
> Daniel. And all the rest falls under the writing of the scribes,
> that is, men.
Read Exodus 20. Which parts of Exodus 20 do you believe are the parts
which were "written with the Finger of God"?
It seems unlikely that God would have written Exodus 20:1 on the
tablets of stone. I am not sure if God wrote Exodus 20:2 on the
tablets, what do you think?
20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the
land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any
likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the
earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for
I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the
fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of
them that hate me;
20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and
keep my commandments.
20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for
the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in
it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy
daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor
thy stranger that is within thy gates:
20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and
all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the
LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long
upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not
covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his
maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy
neighbour's.
20:18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings,
and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when
the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
I think everybody would agree that Exodus 20:3-17 were written on the
tablets of stone by God. Exodus 20:18 would most likely have not been
written on the tablets. Do you agree?
Note that nowhere in Exodus 20 does it say that God wrote on the
tablets of stone with His Finger. It says in Exodus 20:1:
20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
One verse which states that God wrote the Ten Commandments with His
Finger is Exodus 31:18.
Exodus 31:18
31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing
with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of
stone, written with the finger of God.
Now David', this is all I was asking you: do you accept Exodus 31:18
as the Word of God? If you don't accept it, then what is your source
for claiming that the Ten Commandments were "written with the Finger
of God"? It doesn't say that the Ten Commandments were written by
God in Exodus 20.
David' Chariot
Raymond wrote:
David' Chariot
> > LOL The Pot and the Kettle telling the Water it's dirty.
>
> Yeah, we care for all, the pot, the kettle and the water, that what
> only good things can be made, and it will be clean and refreshing
> as it would be from the Lord. So you still want dirty water, then
> you do know it could make you sick. We care and the Pot and Kettle
> will always try to make such only the pure and clean the best water
> is used. Thank you for showing the world WE CARE!
Sure thing, Raymond. Hey, #8 offer. Would you like to now justify
your 'Oneness' doctrine, Raymond? It's not going away. I like to
follow-up on discussions that people abandon without receiving the
correction that the discussion brought forward. Anyway, if you like
to day, harden not your heart, perhaps #9 or #10 attempts will be to
morrow. But either we will continue or this reposting of it will.
Have a nice day.
8<------- insert Raymond's abandoned discussion...
Raymond wrote:
>
> "David' Chariot" <beth_ma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:396EFCBD...@hotmail.com...
> >
> > Raymond wrote:
> 1> a blank response? Why is that, Raymond. Let all see...
> No question of value, nothing of merit, so the only response would be blank, for blank.
>
> > David' Chariot:
> > > > Duly noted. But, I did say prove me, didn't I?
> > David' Chariot wrote:
> > > > > > Prove me wrong, anytime, I will still love you.
>
> For a blank for blank nothing to prove one way or the other, it is blank.
Again, your chance to prove me wrong, Raymond.
Raymond wrote:
>
a blank response? Why is that, Raymond. Let all see...
David' Chariot:
> > Duly noted. But, I did say prove me, didn't I?
David' Chariot wrote:
> > > > Prove me wrong, anytime, I will still love you.
Raymond wrote:
|> > > Why waste the time, you never were correct to have to disprove
|> > > anything. Then if you like the sea go fishing, then that is
|> > > what you are doing, fishing and getting nothing back.
Who's the BIG FISH, Raymond?
> "David' Chariot" <beth_ma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3965B2DB...@hotmail.com...
>
> > Raymond wrote:
> > > > Therefore, Jesus, the son of Adam/adam, is not God. Proven repeatedly.
> > >
> > > Adam had nothing to do with Jesus, Then Adam was the first son of God,
> > > made by God himself. Jesus is the second Adam. If you play with that
> > > Jesus would still be God, if we take it back one more parent. God!
> >
> > If you read the text of Jesus' genealogy, I believe Adam is there. If
> > as you say, "Jesus is the second Adam.", when was he created? Playing
> > with it I find that God is the Creator, and Jesus, TSOM, a creature.
>
> 1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, "The first man Adam became a living
> being." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. NKJV
Let's clarify this, shall we. The first and second Adam? Now there are
two
chapters in Genesis that speak of the creation of Adam. In your
opinion,
which
chapter refers to the second Adam and why?
> > Joseph and Mary were the parents of Jesus, the son of man, thank you.
>
> Mary was the mother of Jesus, Joseph was the step father, not blood father, Thank you.
Then he is not of the tribe of Judah, nor is he the 'seed' of king
David.
> Matt 1:18-20
Nice fable, however, it contradicts OT prophecies. Therefore it is
false.
> Galatians 4:4
Again, this does not have a precedent in the OT, now does it.
> > Jesus, the son of man, bears the name of the Father who begets all of
> > the sons and daughters of God. Not all bear the Father's name though.
> > That is all of "us" in James 1:18, "us" including *me*, and you have
> > chosen to linger in the valley of decision. Your anti-christ tradition
> > will perish, it may be wise for you to seek advise from the Father of
> > Lights, Raymond, to Him in His Glory is ALL of the Glory. Jesus, the
> > son of man, if worshipped is an idol set up in the heart of men.
>
> As Son of Man, it is so, As Son of God, Jesus is the only way you can
> become a child of God and bear the name of the Father.
Absolute rubbish.
> I have only PRO-Christ Tradition, there is nothing I teach that is
> "anti-Christ". Then maybe your so called "Christ" is not the Bible
> Christ Jesus.
Exactly my point, you have *only* tradition of men. You teach that
all men should worship a man as God, and your method is to say that
Jesus, TSOM, is the express image of God (who is in heaven). This
teaching is in direct contradiction of the first Commandment of God.
> Since you deny him his divinity.
Because the Bible says clearly that Jesus, TSOM, is not God. Even
after he said...
"Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is God:
but if thou will enter into life, keep the commandments." Matthew 19:17
<> Mark 10:18 <> Luke 18:19
> My Advice comes from God the Father of all creation, and it is blessed
> by Jesus Christ my Lord. Then if you worship anything as a idol it is
> sin, and you will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. You add half
> truth and half untruth to twist the mind of your reader, I will stand
> by the Holy Bible as written and as I have posted in this message to you.
Is Jesus, TSOM, not your idol and stone of stumbling?
> > <> I Corinthians 15:20-28 in it's contextual clarity denounces your
> > theology of "oneness". Jesus, the son of man, is not God, nor a third
> > person of God. However, by his *knowledge* we all have a choice to
> > become sons of God.
>
> My theology? I think not! You seem not to know the theology of Oneness,
> or you would not have made such a foolish statement.
No, of course not, let's just see who is twisted below.
> Jesus as the Son of God, born of Mary, and lived as the son of man,
> sure not a third anything died, and is alive and as God has a lot to
> do yet.
Hmm. "Jesus as the Son of God"?
> Now lets look at the context, and what it does say, for them that do
> not have a bible open, and would fall for such tack as saying the
> bible says what it doesn't. Just for the record, as if that means
> anything to you Oneness Theology, does not deny the Son of God/Son
> of man doctrine, they endose it.
Of course, this is a doctrine of man. They need to "endose" it.
> 1 Cor 15:16-28
Uh..., huh? And...
God raised Jesus from the dead. Were Jesus God, there would be no
reason
for God to raise him from the dead. There is truth in many witnesses,
but
some yet will not believe that the Bible has been subject to
interpolation.
Who raised Jesus from the dead?
Jesus said: <> Matthew 17:23 <> Luke 9:22 <> John 2:19 <> John 5:21
Other witnesses:
<> Acts 2:24-32, 3:15-26, 4:10, 5:30, 10:40, 13:22-37, 17:31
<> Romans 4:24-25, 6:4-9, 7:4, 8:11, 10:9,
<> I Corinthians 6:14, 15:15-52 <> II Corinthians 4:14
<> Galatians 1:1 <> Ephesians 1:20 <> Colossians 2:12
<> I Thessalonians 1:10 <> II Timothy 2:8 <> Hebrews 11:35
<> I Peter 1:3
> > And that is through the 'Gospel of God'. Now here is opportunity for
> > you, Raymond; pray tell us what the 'Gospel of God' is, which Jesus,
> > the son of man, passed on to his followers, and also while you're at
> > it, what the cross is.
>
> Thank you, the bible says "Gospel of God" is as follows and Jesus not
> only the son of man, as you keep trying to make him, but "His Son Jesus
> Christ our Lord":
Hmm. And the prophecy spoken:
<> Isaiah 8:21
<> Jeremiah 30:9
<> Ezekiel 34:23-24
<> Ezekiel 37:23-24
<> Hosea 3:5
> Rom 1:1-4
> 1:1 Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle,
> separated to the gospel of God 2 which He promised before through
> His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, 3 concerning His Son Jesus
> Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed
"seed of David" = 'sperma' of David = Joseph is Jesus' father
> of David according to the flesh, 4 and declared to be the Son of God
> with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection
> from the dead. NKJV
Umm. This scripture proves my point with those that I inserted above.
> > Furthermore, in regard to doctrines and traditions of men, as you
> > apparently missed this last time...
> >
> > Both 'trinity' and 'oneness' doctrines of men are erroneous.
>
> Only the name which people have placed on these folks. We know your
> doctrines are erroneous, as you deny that Jesus is God.
Jesus, TSOM, says himself that he is not God. What do you want from me?
> You have your own set of traditions of men, and you sound like the pot
> calling the kettle black, when both are.
I have rejected the traditions of men, because they are erroneous.
There
is only 'ONE' doctrine in the entire Bible that is not defeated by any
of
the authors of the Bible, to wit, 'keep the Commandments of God'.
> > Jesus, the son of man {Joseph}, states that his Father is greater.
>
> Another false non-biblical teaching, Jesus step father had nothing to
> do with anything. The above verses have shown that.
Which ones? The fables that you posted or the truth, likewise here.
> > The "trinity" manmade doctrine states that Jesus, the son of man
> > is co-equal with the creator.
>
> So who cares what it says, it is not the Bible so of not account in
> the teachings of God.
You are correct and incorrect in your sentence.
> > The "oneness" manmade doctrine places Jesus, the son of man as
> > the *God* over all. That is, Lucifer of Isaiah 14. And they
> > utilize scare tactics to justify their evil to beguiled souls.
>
> Never! Jesus as the Son of God, was God in human form, and was also
> man, by his mother Mary, so pay for the sins of the world.
Does 'oneness' say that Jesus, TSOM, raised himself from the grave, has
ascended to heaven and there is no other God besides him?
> You and you devil can go back to where you came. Lucifer has nothing
> to do with this, except maybe giving you the power to deny what is true,
> and do the work of Lucifer here on earth. Since you qoute no Oneness
> teaching and only make them up as your teacher Lucifer seems to tell
> you what to write, why waste any more time with you or that lying spirit
> that seems to leading you away from the only salvation you could ever
> have, and the blood of the Holy Son of God that could forgive you of your
> sins. Lucifer was sure he finished Jesus at the Cross, only Jesus had
> other plans and we that love God, know the Spirit of Jesus is in us, not
> a man, but the Spirit of God.
What does Isaiah 14:19 say in context? God does not mince words, so
tell
me who else in the history of this world has fulfilled Isaiah 14:19 and
is a man according to verse 16?
> Rom 8:8-11
> 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you,
> He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal
> bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. NKJV
Who raised Jesus, TSOM, from the dead?
> 1 Peter 1:9-12
What does verse 3 say? Who is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus
Christ?
> The truth is in the Holy Bible, not fables, and myths you made up.
Interpolations are dispersed throughout the New Testament. Sorry
to disappoint you but I am not yet over a hundred years old, so I
can safely say that I did not have anything to do with incorporating
falsehood into the texts of the Bible, thank you.
> > Further to this is the truth about Jesus, the son of Adam...
>
> Being in human form Jesus or even us, are sons of Adam, as Adam was the
> first of creation, and because of Adam sin, Jesus had to come as a human,
> to remove the sin that Adam did, so we may all have life.
By his knowledge he has fulfilled and set in place the means for us
to become sons of God. Praise God. However, Christianity has taken
the keys of the kingdom away and the fullness and power of the Gospel
of God has decayed to the point of man worshipping man.
> No one is denying Jesus was the Son of Man, he had to be, you are
> the one denying he is also the Son of God, his deity.
Simply because Jesus, TSOM, is not deity. Sorry for you!
> > The "Seed of David" through his father Joseph. As Jesus was the
> > son of Joseph, as prophesied, and witnessed by the genealogies of
> > both Matthew 1:16 and Luke 3:23. Also...
> >
> > So, as you see, quote anything you like, quote it all day long,
> > at the end of the day, Jesus, the son of man, is still not God.
>
> Anything will not do it, then the quoting is not for you, but them
> that read this posting, so they can see you are wrong.
The end of a matter is always better than the beginning.
> You have deny Christ Jesus,
When? Prove it!
> your ego, and pride will not let you see anything any other way.
Pots and kettles, ay!
> Then Jesus is God, the Almighty God, the everlasting Father, and so on.
Revelation 1:8? This is speaking of the Almighty God, clearly. For he
states, "saith the Lord, WHICH IS, AND WHICH WAS, AND WHICH IS TO COME,
the ALMIGHTY."
There are several books and epistles in the New Testament. In all of
them Jesus is mentioned, the man, Son of man. Here are the only ones
which mention the "Almighty, Omnipotent GOD". Please explain this.
Almighty [3841] - the all-ruling, i.e. God (as absolute and universal
sovereign) - Almighty, Omnipotent
<> II Corinthians 6:18
<> Revelation 1:8, 4:8, 11:17, 15:3, 16:7, 14, 19:15, 21:22
Take a look at all the references of "Omnipotent" in Revelation 19:6.
In all instances it is speaking of God and NOT Jesus. Jesus bears the
name of the Father but is not God by his own word (see above).
> You might as well go back to your Jehovah Witness cult and tell them
> your falsehoods. The LDS cult folks may like you also?
The LDS have marked the place where I live as a place not to go, they
came, by twos, and they left with an understanding of the Sabbath Day
which left them most challenged, believe you me. They pass my door,
but they do not let their shadow come near it.
> The Bible is true. Rom 6:10-11
Who is God in these verses, firstly verse 10, secondly verse 11?
> Eph 4: 32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one
> another, just as God in Christ forgave you. NKJV
Who is God in verse 30, verse 32 and in 5:1 and verse 2?
> Phil 3:14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call
> of God in Christ Jesus.
Who is God in verse 14 and 15?
> 1 Thess 5:17-22
Who is God in verse 18 and verse 23?
> --
> Yours truly in Jesus,
> Raymond Knapp, D.D,Th.B
> Check out PIONEERS FOR JESUS at:
> http://www.dunamai.com/knapp/index.html
David' Chariot
I think that either you will keep the Commandments of God or you
won't. It is not my position to divine for you the Law of God
that is written in your heart nor will I do so for you.
As said above.
> Note that nowhere in Exodus 20 does it say that God wrote on the
> tablets of stone with His Finger. It says in Exodus 20:1:
>
> 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
>
> One verse which states that God wrote the Ten Commandments with His
> Finger is Exodus 31:18.
>
> Exodus 31:18
>
> 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing
> with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of
> stone, written with the finger of God.
>
> Now David', this is all I was asking you: do you accept Exodus 31:18
> as the Word of God? If you don't accept it, then what is your source
> for claiming that the Ten Commandments were "written with the Finger
> of God"? It doesn't say that the Ten Commandments were written by
> God in Exodus 20.
Whatever it is that you think is irrelevant to me. The Word of God
is the Ten Commandments, it is the 'seed' of all the rest that has
grown in and through all things. This discussion is rife with your
misunderstanding of the initial concept that was expressed stating
that the only writings expressly written by God are the Ten
Commandments and the writing on the wall.
Now, as has been pointed out for all to see, there are errors and
fabrications in the Bible, which it is obvious that God did not
write but this does not conclude that these errors and fabrications
are not inspired.
Thus, infallibility has fallen to the ground and it fell hard, and
now there is one less erroneous doctrine of men to believe. After
this came the 'Oneness' doctrine, which has fallen to the ground and
it fell hard. 'Trinity' doctrine, which has fallen to the ground
also, and it fell hard. Simply because people refuse to let go of
their doctrines and traditions of men does not necessitate the they
are correct doctrine.
Now are there any other false doctrines?
As has been discussed with some, we find that Jesus is not the Rock,
and this has been established as yet another false doctrine of men
that has fallen to the ground, and it fell hard. Some are still in
there holding to this deflated doctrine but are sinking fast.
Faith alone is dead.
Peace be with you through our Lord Jesus Christ
And to Almighty God the Glory for ever and ever
> God bless you.
Raymond
"David' Chariot" <beth_ma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3E220882...@hotmail.com...
>
> Raymond wrote:
Oh, David you are back again to tell me that Jesus is not the Rock and is not the God of the Bible, I suppose. So what
do I call you, a unbeliever, just a lost soul, a Jewish's? False teacher, and then there are some other terms, that I
sure you know, and none nice, you may call yourself, if you prefer.
>
> David' Chariot
> > > LOL The Pot and the Kettle telling the Water it's dirty.
> >
> > Yeah, we care for all, the pot, the kettle and the water, that what
> > only good things can be made, and it will be clean and refreshing
> > as it would be from the Lord. So you still want dirty water, then
> > you do know it could make you sick. We care and the Pot and Kettle
> > will always try to make such only the pure and clean the best water
> > is used. Thank you for showing the world WE CARE!
>
> Sure thing, Raymond. Hey, #8 offer. Would you like to now justify
So you now have a number eight, and that is suppose to mean something to other?
> your 'Oneness' doctrine, Raymond? It's not going away. I like to
Oh that has been done so many times, just go to Google and be overwhelm. I so glad it will not go away, it never will
you know. God has been One from the moment God first was, and we have the promise that God will never change. Bless HIS
Holy name. Now you confusion is that for one you reject Christ as the Rock, the Conner stone of faith. You deny the
Oneness of God and mock the fact that Jesus is the LORD! You may go away, but the truth will never go away. Thank you
for letting me pronounce that Jesus is the LORD and as Thomas said My Lord and my God!
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the
things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
> follow-up on discussions that people abandon without receiving the
> correction that the discussion brought forward. Anyway, if you like
> to day, harden not your heart, perhaps #9 or #10 attempts will be to
> morrow. But either we will continue or this reposting of it will.
Oh I have harden my FACE as God used the term, against your false teachings and such, my heart is soft and open to my
Lord and my God, and I love Jesus the Saviour, and just had a wonderful time sitting here, and loving him, in my Spirit
and with song. Great is HIS Faithfulness, bless His holy name. If any believer here would like to take a moment and
say Thank you Father, for our Lord and Saviour, please do, then maybe a moment of praise in song, "Take the name of
Jesus" or "Oh how I love Jesus" would really give you a uplift in your spirit and love to God, the first and the last.
Oh David you sit and play with your numbers, and when you get back to #1 for God is ONE LORD you will only be starting
to open your heart to the great, wonderful, glorious blessings that God in Christ Jesus can give to them that love HIM.
Then you speak for yourself, your English above is confusing, the that does happen to people that reject that Jesus is
God the Lord and Saviour the ROCK of ones Salvation. With this "But either we will continue or this reposting of it
will" is suppose to mean, for one thing you do NOT tell me what I will or will not continue.
> Have a nice day.
I do, I will, as Jesus Christ the Son of God, the Son of Man, is with me daily and has blessed me so everyday is a nice
day, as every day, is the Lords Day, the day of rest in the Holy Ghost/Spirit is only the beginning to a great blessing
in Christ the LORD.
>
> 8<------- insert Raymond's abandoned discussion...
Before one can abandon anything, one has to have a discussion, you have nothing to discuss so nothing has been started,
beside in you little limited mind. God have mercy on you soul.
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the
things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Man you beg for people to talk to you, what a pity, don't you have any friends at all, you need to try to force them to
answer you postings. What a shame. Folks pray for David.
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the
things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
I really don't need to abandon anything, these verses abandon your silly arguments, and so there is no discussion. Live
with it, nothing you can say or do, will ever change what is written. So here it is for the 8 verses two at a time.
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the
things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Then :-) or even {:=0 would do, but mixing 8< is silly unless you put 8<) or some thing as cute in, oh well your still
following the LAW and rejecting Jesus as God, so I suppose the 8<( would do you better. <grin>
<laughter>, <Joy in Christ> does say it, in a understandable way. Then what would you know about that.?
I did enjoy this, I have to wonder are you still asking daddy if your having fun yet?
Raymond
Obadiah Freeman
>
> Whatever it is that you think is irrelevant to me.
Well stop bringing up "whatever I think" if it's irrelevant. I'm
asking you what YOU think.
> The Word of God is the Ten Commandments, it is the 'seed' of all the
> rest that has grown in and through all things. This discussion is
> rife with your misunderstanding of the initial concept that was
> expressed stating that the only writings expressly written by God
> are the Ten Commandments and the writing on the wall.
I understand that you are saying that the Ten Commandments and the
writing on the wall were written by God. What I'm asking you is "How
do you know that?". What is your source for the assertion that the Ten
Commandments and the writing on the wall were written by God?
Have you seen the tablets of stone with the writing of the Ten
Commandments on them? Were you present when they were written?
Or did you read about it in the Bible? What is your source for
this assertion which is so important to you?
David' Chariot
Obadiah Freeman wrote:
>
> David' Chariot <beth_ma...@hotmail.com> writes:
> >
> > Whatever it is that you think is irrelevant to me.
>
> Well stop bringing up "whatever I think" if it's irrelevant. I'm
> asking you what YOU think.
I think that you are just challenging for absolutely no reason but
to draw me in your net. Therefore, your inquisition is fruitless.
> > The Word of God is the Ten Commandments, it is the 'seed' of all the
> > rest that has grown in and through all things. This discussion is
> > rife with your misunderstanding of the initial concept that was
> > expressed stating that the only writings expressly written by God
> > are the Ten Commandments and the writing on the wall.
>
> I understand that you are saying that the Ten Commandments and the
> writing on the wall were written by God. What I'm asking you is "How
> do you know that?". What is your source for the assertion that the Ten
> Commandments and the writing on the wall were written by God?
LOL It is written. Do you disagree with me?
> Have you seen the tablets of stone with the writing of the Ten
> Commandments on them? Were you present when they were written?
> Or did you read about it in the Bible? What is your source for
> this assertion which is so important to you?
Again, it is written. Do you want to disagree with me?
> God bless you.
> Obadiah Freeman
> --
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There is no contest from this end. Believe what you want to.