Allah - The Greatest Deceiver Of Them All
Carl
the "Allah" of Islam is a great deceiver according to the Quran. This adds
to the evidence that the God of the Bible is not nor ever has been the
"Allah" of Islam.
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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Allah - The Greatest Deceiver Of Them All
by Sam Shamoun
The Quran describes Allah as the best deceiver there is, a liar who is not
above using the same evil and wicked schemes of his opponents.
For example, the Quran calls Allah a makr, in fact the best makr there is:
But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is
the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru
al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30
Other texts that identify Allah as a makr include:
Are they then secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth
himself secure from Allah's scheme (makra Allahi) save folk that perish. S.
7:99 Pickthall
So they schemed a scheme: and We schemed a scheme (Wamakaroo makran
wamakarna makran), while they perceived not. S. 27:50
The word for deception/deceiver/scheme is makr. The lexical sources define
the term as:
Miim-Kaf-Ra = To practice deceit or guile or circumvention, practice evasion
or elusion, to plot, to exercise art or craft or cunning, act with policy,
practice stratagem.
makara vb. (1)
perf. act. 3:54, 3:54, 7:123, 13:42, 14:46, 16:26, 16:45, 27:50, 40:45,
71:22
impf. act. 6:123, 6:123, 6:124, 8:30, 8:30, 8:30, 10:21, 12:102, 16:127,
27:70, 35:10
n.vb. 7:99, 7:99, 7:123, 10:21, 10:21, 12:31, 13:33, 13:42, 14:46, 14:46,
14:46, 27:50, 27:50, 27:51, 34:33, 35:10, 35:43, 35:43, 71:22
pcple. act. 3:54, 8:30
LL, V7, p: 256 (Source)
And:
He practised DECEIT, GUILE, or CIRCUMVENTION, desiring to do another a foul,
an abominable, or an evil action, clandestinely or without his knowing
whence it proceeded. (Lane's Arabic-English Lexicon; source)
Lest Muslims accuse these lexicons of bias or distortion notice what Muslim
scholar Dr. Mahmoud M. Ayoub says when he asks,
"how the word makr (scheming or plotting), which implies deceitfulness or
dishonesty, could be attributed to God." (The Quran and Its Interpreters -
The House of Imran [State University of New York Press [SUNY], Albany 1992],
Volume II, p. 165; italic emphasis ours)
After listing several Muslim sources he quotes a renowned Muslim expositor
named ar-Razi who wrote that,
"scheming (makr) is actually an act of deception aiming at causing evil. It
is not possible to attribute deception to God. Thus the word is one of the
muttashabihat [multivalent words of the Quran]." (Ibid., p. 166; italic
emphasis ours)
Unfortunately for ar-Razi, the Quran attributes deception to Allah since it
identifies him as the best makr there is.
Ayoub also sources one Muslim who actually boasted of Allah being the best
conniver/deceiver/schemer etc.,
"Qurtubi observes that some scholars have considered the words 'best of
schemers' to be one of God's beautiful names. Thus one would pray, 'O Best
of Schemers, scheme for me!' Qurtubi also reports that the Prophet used to
pray, 'O God, scheme for me, and do not scheme against me!' (Qurtubi, IV,
pp. 98-99; cf. Zamakhshari, I, p. 366)." (Ibid., p. 166)
And here, also, is how one of the earliest sources on the life of Muhammad
interpreted Q. 8:30:
Then he reminds the apostle of His favour towards him when the people
plotted against him 'to kill him, or to wound him, or to drive him out; and
they plotted and God plotted, and is the best of plotters.' i.e. I DECEIVED
them with My firm GUILE so that I delivered you from them. (The Life of
Muhammad: A Translation of Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah, with introduction
and notes by Alfred Guillaume [Oxford University Press, Karachi, Tenth
impression 1995], p. 323; capital emphasis ours)
Thus, the Quran unashamedly calls Muhammad's god the best liar and deceiver
of them all! It even dares to say that ALL deception belongs completely to
Allah:
And verily, those before them did deceive/scheme (makara), but all
deception/scheming is Allah's (falillahi al-makru). He knows what every
person earns, and the disbelievers will know who gets the good end. S. 13:42
In fact, the Quran states that Allah actually raises wicked individuals to
deceive and scheme:
Even so have we placed in every city, ringleaders of its wicked ones, to
scheme therein (liyamkuroo): but only against themselves shall they scheme
(yamkuroona)! and they know it not. S. 6:123 Rodwell
And further commands people to do evil so that he can then have a reason to
destroy them!
And when We would destroy a township We send commandment to its folk who
live at ease, AND AFTERWARD they commit abomination therein, and so the Word
(of doom) hath effect for it, and we annihilate it with complete
annihilation. S. 17:16 Pickthall
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The Quran uses another word to denote that Allah is a liar, a schemer who
has no problems using guile, namely kayd:
And those who cry lies to Our signs We will draw them on little by little
whence they know not; and I respite them -- assuredly My guile (kaydee) is
sure. S. 7:182-183 Arberry
and I shall respite them -- assuredly My guile (kaydee) is sure. S. 68:45
Arberry
The lexicons provide the following definitions:
Kaf-Ya-Dal (Kaf-Alif-Dal) = To be about to, be just on the point of, be well
nigh, intend, wish, practise an artful device, desire, contrive/plot/devise
such a thing, worked or laboured at or upon anything, to do something
clandestinely, to deceive/beguile/circumvent, means of evading/eluding,
vomited, emitted fire, had menstrual flux, gave up his spirit.
kada vb. (1)
perf. act. 12:76
impf. act. 12:5, 21:57, 86:15, 86:16
impv. 7:195, 11:55, 77:39
n.vb. 3:120, 4:76, 7:183, 8:18, 12:5, 12:28, 12:28, 12:33, 12:34, 12:50,
12:52, 20:60, 20:64, 20:69, 21:70, 22:15, 37:98, 40:25, 40:37, 52:42, 52:46,
68:45, 77:39, 86:15, 86:16, 105:2
pcple. pass. 52:42
LL, V7, p: 166, 167 (Source; underline emphasis ours)
The Quran furnishes plenty of examples that exemplify the negative aspect
and nature of this term, e.g. those who use kayd are deliberately intending
something evil which results in their judgement for employing such wicked
schemes:
What, have they feet wherewith they walk, or have they hands wherewith they
lay hold, or have they eyes wherewith they see, or have they ears wherewith
they give ear? Say: 'Call you then to your associates; then try your guile
(keedooni) on me, and give me no respite. S. 7:195 Arberry
He [Jacob] said, 'O my son [Joseph], relate not thy vision to thy brothers,
lest they devise against thee some guile (fa yakeedoo laka kayda). Surely
Satan is to man a manifest enemy. S. 12:5 Arberry
So when he [Potiphar] saw his [Joseph] shirt torn from behind, he said: Lo!
this is of the guile of you (kaydikunna) women. Lo! the guile of you
(kaydakunna) is very great. S. 12:28 Pickthall
So gather your guile (kaydakum); then come in battle-line. Whoever today
gains the upper hand shall surely prosper. S. 20:64 Arberry
the day when their guile (kayduhum) shall avail them naught, and they shall
not be helped. S. 52:46 Arberry
if you have a trick, try you now to trick Me (kaydun fa keedooni)!' S. 77:39
Arberry
Allah is even portrayed as stooping down to the level of the deceivers and
liars by acting like them in his use of guile:
They are devising guile (ya keedoona kaydan), and I am devising guile (Wa
akeedu kaydan). S. 86:15-16
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There is more to the story. The Quran uses yet another word in describing
the deception of Allah, that word being khida/khuda/khada:
Verily, the hypocrites seek to deceive Allah, but it is He Who deceives them
(Inna al-munafiqeena yukhadiaaoona Allaha wahuwa khadiaauhum). And when they
stand up for As-Salat (the prayer), they stand with laziness and to be seen
of men, and they do not remember Allah but little. S. 4:142 Hilali-Khan
Here, once again, is the lexical meaning of this specific word:
Kh-Dal-Ayn = To hide/conceal, double or fold, deceive or outwit, pretend, to
enter, vary in state/condition, refrain or refuse, relinquish, to be in
little demand of, deviate from the right course, resist/unyield/incompliant,
turn away and behave proudly.
khada'a vb. (1)
impf. act. 2:9, 8:62
pcple. act. 4:142
khada'a vb. (3) impf. act. 2:9, 4:142
LL, V2, p: 344, 345, 346, 347 (Source)
Lest there be any confusion concerning the fact that this word means that
Allah is a deceiver notice how this term is used in the following
references:
They (think to) deceive Allah (Yukhadiaaoona) and those who believe, while
they only deceive (yakhdaaoona) themselves, and perceive (it) not! S. 2:9
Hilali-Khan
And if they would deceive thee (yakhdaaooka), then lo! Allah is Sufficient
for thee. He it is Who supporteth thee with His help and with the believers,
S. 8:6 Pickthall
Is there any doubt that the unbelievers were using deception as they tried
to deceive Muhammad and his companions? Just as there is no doubt that Allah
also uses deception in deceiving them!
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It gets worse. Satan accused Allah of misleading or deceiving him:
He said: Now, because Thou hast sent me astray (aghwaytanee), verily I shall
lurk in ambush for them on Thy Right Path. S. 7:16 Pickthall
[Iblis (Satan)] said: "O my Lord! Because you misled me (aghwaytanee), I
shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I
shall mislead (walaoghwiyannahum) them all. S. 15:39 Hilali-Khan
What makes this last reference rather interesting is that Satan promises to
do to mankind what Allah did to him, namely, pervert/deceive/mislead people
from the path!
Lest a Muslim say that these are the lies of Satan, that the enemy was
merely slandering Allah, here is a text where the Quran acknowledges that
the Devil was right since Allah does pervert/deceive/mislead people from the
way:
And my sincere counsel will not profit you, if I desire to counsel you
sincerely, if God desires to pervert you (yughwiyakum); He is your Lord, and
unto Him you shall be returned.' S. 11:34 Arberry
To say that this is amazing would be a wild understatement.
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Concluding Remarks
Our analysis has shown that Muhammad's deity is a deceiver who cannot be
trusted since he lies without hesitation.
A Muslim may contend that Allah only deceives unbelievers who deserve it.
The problem with this assertion is that the Muslim scripture teaches that
Allah doesn't merely deceive unbelievers but also his followers.
For example, Allah deceived Muhammad into thinking that the fighting men at
Badr were fewer in number than they actually were:
When Allah showed them to you in your dream as few; and if He had shown them
to you as many you would certainly have become weak-hearted and you would
have disputed about the matter, but Allah saved (you); surely He is the
Knower of what is in the breasts. And when He showed them to you, when you
met, as few in your eyes and He made you to appear little in their eyes, in
order that Allah might bring about a matter which was to be done, and to
Allah are all affairs returned. S. 8:43-44 Shakir
Hence, Allah lies and deceives both believers and unbelievers without
discrimination. Now contrast this with how the true God Yahweh operates:
"Early in the morning, Jerub-Baal (that is, Gideon) and all his men camped
at the spring of Harod. The camp of Midian was north of them in the valley
near the hill of Moreh. The LORD said to Gideon, 'You have too many men for
me to deliver Midian into their hands. In order that Israel may not boast
against me that her own strength has saved her, announce now to the people,
"Anyone who trembles with fear may turn back and leave Mount Gilead."' So
twenty-two thousand men left, while ten thousand remained. But the LORD said
to Gideon, 'There are still too many men. Take them down to the water, and I
will sift them for you there. If I say, "This one shall go with you," he
shall go; but if I say, "This one shall not go with you," he shall not go.'
So Gideon took the men down to the water. There the LORD told him, 'Separate
those who lap the water with their tongues like a dog from those who kneel
down to drink.' Three hundred men lapped with their hands to their mouths.
All the rest got down on their knees to drink. The LORD said to Gideon,
'With the three hundred men that lapped I will save you and give the
Midianites into your hands. Let all the other men go, each to his own place.'
So Gideon sent the rest of the Israelites to their tents but kept the three
hundred, who took over the provisions and trumpets of the others. Now the
camp of Midian lay below him in the valley." Judges 7:1-8 NIV
If this weren't bad enough, one of the greatest lies and deceptions that
Allah pulled over the world is the crucifixion of Christ. According to the
Quran Jesus wasn't crucified but Allah made it seem that way, thereby
foisting Biblical Christianity on the masses!
And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus),
son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not,
nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another
man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of
doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but
conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of
Maryam (Mary)]: S. 4:157 Hilali-Khan
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the
Apostle of God"; - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was
made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts,
with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety
they killed him not:- Y. Ali
Thus, Allah duped the followers of Christ into believing that Jesus died by
crucifixion and further deceived them into thinking that he was then raised
back to life on the third day. They then went out preaching this message
boldly, with some of them dying as martyrs as a result of it!
Interestingly, Allah's schemes or deceptions are so troublesome that they
even scared Muhammad. Islam's prophet was so afraid of the schemes of his
god that he prayed that Allah would not deceive him but deceive on his
behalf:
3551. Ibn Abbas said: "The Prophet used to supplicate, saying: 'My Lord, aid
me and do not aid against me, and grant me victory and do not grant victory
over me, plot (scheme/connive/deceive) for me and do not plot
(scheme/connive, deceive) against me, guide me and facilitate guidance for
me, grant me victory over those who transgress against me. My Lord, make me
ever-grateful to You, ever-remembering of You, ever-fearful of You,
ever-obedient to You, ever-humble to You, oft-turning and returning to You.
My Lord, accept my repentance, wash my sin, answer my call, make firm my
proof, make firm my tongue, guide my heart, and remove the treachery of my
chest (Rabbi A'inni Wa La Tu'in 'Alayya, Wansurni Wa La Tansur 'Alayya,
WAMKUR Li Wa La TAMKUR 'Alayya, Wahdini Wa Yassir Lil-Huda, Wansurni 'Ala
Man Bagha 'Alayya. Rabbij'alni Laka Shakkaran, Laka Dhak-karan, Laka
Rahhaban, Laka Mitwa'an, Laka Mukhbitan, Ilaika Awwahan Muniba. Rabbi
Taqabbal Tawabati, Waghsil Hawbati, Wa Ajib Da'wati, Wa Thab-bit Hujjati, Wa
Saddid Lisani Wahdi Qalbi, Waslu Sakhimata Sadri).'" (Sahih) .
[Abu 'Eisa said:] This Hadith is Hasan Sahih. (English Translation of Jami'
At-Tirmidhi, Compiled by Imam Hafiz Abu 'Eisa Mohammad Ibn 'Eisa
At-Tirmidhi, translated by Abu Khaliyl (USA), ahadith edited and referenced
by Hafiz Tahir Zubair 'Ali Za'i [Darussalam Publishers & Distributors, First
Edition: November 2007], Volume 6, From Hadith No. 3291 to 3956, Chapter 45.
The Book Of Supplications From The Messenger Of Allah, pp. 258-259; capital
and underline emphasis ours)
Muhammad wasn't the only person troubled by Allah's lies since his closest
companion was deftly afraid of his lord's schemes. If one is still in doubt
as to the meaning of the term makr consider Abu Bakr's testimony who,
despite being promised paradise by Muhammad, was rather uncertain about his
status in the hereafter because of how unreliable and fickle his god is:
"Although he had such a faith, which was too great to suffice all the
inhabitants of the earth, he was afraid that his heart might go astray. So,
he used to utter, while weeping: 'Would that I have been a bitten tree!'
Whenever he was reminded of his position in Allah's sight, he would say: 'By
Allah! I would not rest assured and feel safe from the deception of Allah
(la amanu limakr Allah), even if I had one foot in paradise.'" (Khalid
Muhammad Khalid, Successors of the Messenger, translated by Muhammad Mahdi
al-Sharif [Dar al-Kotob al-Ilmiyah, Beirut Lebanon, 2005], Book One: Abu
Bakr Has Come, p. 99; bold and italic emphasis ours)(1)
Now if both Muhammad and Abu Bakr were afraid of Allah's schemes shouldn't
Muslims also be fearful of their god's lies and deception?
This very unflattering picture of God is quite embarrassing to say the
least. After all, which person would be proud of a god who is described as
the best deceiver, a beguiler who schemes and deliberately plots evil in
order to accomplish his purposes?
Such a depiction of the Deity is unbefitting the majesty and glory of the
One who called Himself the Truth and who does not lie or change his mind
since it is impossible for him to do so:
"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should
change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not
fulfill?" Numbers 23:19
"He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is
not a man, that he should change his mind." 1 Samuel 15:29
"Into your hands I commit my spirit; redeem me, O LORD, the God of truth."
Psalm 31:5
"Jesus answered, 'I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to
the Father except through me.'" John 14:6
"a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who
does not lie, promised before the beginning of time," Titus 1:2
"Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear
to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath. God did
this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God
to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be
greatly encouraged." Hebrews 6:17-18
The Quran's description of Allah best fits the one whom the Lord Jesus
identified as the father of all lies:
"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your
father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the
truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native
language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." John 8:44
In light of the foregoing it seems rather hard to deny that the spirit who
spoke to Muhammad, the entity who is revealed in the Muslim scripture, is
none other than Satan, the enemy of our souls, masquerading as God in order
to deceive people away from the truth of the Gospel of the Lord Jesus
Christ:
"I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband,
to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. But I am
afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds
may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For
if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we
preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or
a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily
enough. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as
apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel
of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants
of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve." 2
Corinthians 11:2-4, 13-15
"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than
the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have
already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel
other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!" Galatians
1:8-9
Recommended Reading
http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/allah_deceiver.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Wood/deceptive_god.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/does_god_deceive.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/preserved-crucifixion.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/zawadi_paul_deceiver.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/command_evil.htm
Endnotes
(1) It needs to be pointed out that the Muslim translator has deliberately
distorted the original text of Muhammad Khalid's book. Instead of
translating the Arabic words limakr Allah as "the deception of Allah" he has
decided to render it as, "from Allah's punishment," in order to obscure the
real meaning. It seems that the Muslim translator was rather embarrassed by
Abu Bakr's statement that Allah is a deceiver whose promises of granting
eternal bliss to the faithful cannot be trusted.
If the reader is interested in seeing what the original text really says we
suggest that they turn to page 66 of the Arabic version of Muhammad Khalid's
book.
Moreover, the author conveniently forgot to mention that the reason why Abu
Bakr was afraid that his heart might turn away from the faith is because
this close companion of Muhammad knew what the Quran says about Allah
misleading and turning people away from the guidance:
Then what is the matter with you that you are divided into two parties about
the hypocrites? Allah has cast them back (to disbelief) because of what they
have earned. Do you want to guide him whom Allah has made to go astray? And
he whom Allah has made to go astray, you will never find for him any way (of
guidance). S. 4:88
And We sent not a Messenger except with the language of his people, in order
that he might make (the Message) clear for them. Then Allah misleads whom He
wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. S.
14:4
Abu Bakr was therefore fearful of Allah turning his heart away and thereby
condemning him to hell since he knew that his god was a deceiver who couldn't
be trusted to do as he says. This is despite the fact that Muhammad had
personally guaranteed his salvation!
Steve Hayes
>Allah - The Greatest Deceiver Of Them All
Another misleading title -- or does the writer really believe that God is the
devil?
It's all very well for Muslims to say that, but for Christians to do so is
undoubtedly heretical.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Steve Hayes
>Allah - The Greatest Deceiver Of Them All
Another misleading title -- or does the writer really believe that God is the
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim
The pile of shit sky pixie christian god wopuld like you to believe that he
is a loving and caring god, when in reality he is a MASS-MURDERING,
CHILD-KILLING COLD-HEARTED PILE OF GARBAGE
DEATH TO THE SICK, SADISTIC MOTHERFUCKER called the christian god
where was the ALL-POWERFUL ASSHOLE christian god on 9/11 ?
Carl
the "Allah" of Islam is a great deceiver according to the Quran. This adds
to the evidence that the God of the Bible is not nor ever has been the
"Allah" of Islam.
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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Allah - The Greatest Deceiver Of Them All
Zadok
"Steve Hayes" <haye...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:32:31 -0400, "Carl" <sai...@nettally.com> wrote:
>
> >Allah - The Greatest Deceiver Of Them All
>
> Another misleading title -- or does the writer really believe that God is
the
> devil?
>
> It's all very well for Muslims to say that, but for Christians to do so is
> undoubtedly heretical.
Steve, Please do not reply to this SPAMMER'S messages.
You only encourage him.
Steve Hayes
He's not a spammer.
Spammers are people who post off-topic messages to 20 or more newsgroups.
Though he has posted to several newsgroups, his posting is not off-topic in
any of them, as far as I can see,
alt
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:32:31 -0400, "Carl" <sai...@nettally.com> wrote:
>
>>Allah - The Greatest Deceiver Of Them All
>
> Another misleading title -- or does the writer really believe that God
> is the devil?
>
> It's all very well for Muslims to say that, but for Christians to do so
> is undoubtedly heretical.
Why would it be heretical to call Allah "The Greatest Deceiver Of Them
All"?
The only reason I can think of is that you believe that Allah of Islam is
the same god as the Lord God Almighty of Judaism and Christianity. This
is simply not true and I do believe that Carl believes the same as I.
Steve Hayes
>On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:53:48 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:32:31 -0400, "Carl" <sai...@nettally.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Allah - The Greatest Deceiver Of Them All
>>
>> Another misleading title -- or does the writer really believe that God
>> is the devil?
>>
>> It's all very well for Muslims to say that, but for Christians to do so
>> is undoubtedly heretical.
>
>Why would it be heretical to call Allah "The Greatest Deceiver Of Them
>All"?
Because for Christians the greatest deceiver of them all is Satan, and
applying the attributes of Satan to God would be heretica,.
>The only reason I can think of is that you believe that Allah of Islam is
>the same god as the Lord God Almighty of Judaism and Christianity. This
>is simply not true and I do believe that Carl believes the same as I.
No, you are, like Carl, mixing things up.
The Allah of Christianity is the God of the Bible, and is not the greatest
deceiver.
alt
> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 23:48:15 -0500, alt <spam...@lazyeyez.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:53:48 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:32:31 -0400, "Carl" <sai...@nettally.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Allah - The Greatest Deceiver Of Them All
>>>
>>> Another misleading title -- or does the writer really believe that God
>>> is the devil?
>>>
>>> It's all very well for Muslims to say that, but for Christians to do
>>> so is undoubtedly heretical.
>>
>>Why would it be heretical to call Allah "The Greatest Deceiver Of Them
>>All"?
>
> Because for Christians the greatest deceiver of them all is Satan, and
> applying the attributes of Satan to God would be heretica,.
Allah is not God.
>
>>The only reason I can think of is that you believe that Allah of Islam
>>is the same god as the Lord God Almighty of Judaism and Christianity.
>>This is simply not true and I do believe that Carl believes the same as
>>I.
>
> No, you are, like Carl, mixing things up.
>
> The Allah of Christianity is the God of the Bible, and is not the
> greatest deceiver.
wtf? Allah is not the god of Christianity. The God of Christianity is
Jehovah. Allah is the god of Islam.
Please, get your facts straight before you post.
Leo Sgouros
news:pan.2008.10...@lazyeyez.net...
It is one of three monotheistic "Abrahamic" religions.
Christianity - Descending from Judaism, Christianity's central belief
maintains Jesus of Nazareth is the promised messiah of the Hebrew
Scriptures, and that his life, death, and resurrection are salvific for the
world. Christianity is one of the three monotheistic Abrahamic faiths, along
with Islam and Judaism, which traces its spiritual lineage to Abraham of the
Hebrew Scriptures. Its sacred texts include the Hebrew Bible and the New
Testament (or the Christian Gospels).
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/docs/notesanddefs.html
Steve Hayes
>Allah is not God.
Well, you said it.
arah
> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 07:02:51 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
>
> >>On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:53:48 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
>
> >>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:32:31 -0400, "Carl" <sai...@nettally.com> wrote:
>
>
> >>> Another misleading title -- or does the writer really believe that God
> >>> is the devil?
>
> >>> It's all very well for Muslims to say that, but for Christians to do
> >>> so is undoubtedly heretical.
>
> >>All"?
>
> > Because for Christians the greatest deceiver of them all is Satan, and
> > applying the attributes of Satan to God would be heretica,.
>
>
>
>
> >>The only reason I can think of is that you believe thatAllahof Islam
> >>is the same god as the Lord God Almighty of Judaism and Christianity.
> >>This is simply not true and I do believe that Carl believes the same as
> >>I.
>
> > No, you are, like Carl, mixing things up.
>
> > greatest deceiver.
>
> wtf?Allahis not the god of Christianity. The God of Christianity is
> Jehovah.Allahis the god of Islam.
>
> Please, get your facts straight before you post.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
arah
> This is another interesting article from Sam Shamoun in which he shows that
> the "Allah" of Islam is a great deceiver according to the Quran. This adds
> to the evidence that the God of the Bible is not nor ever has been the
> "Allah" of Islam.
>
> May God bless,
> Carl
> my website --http://www.nettally.com/saints/
> my blog --http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
>
> ---
>
> by Sam Shamoun
>
> The Quran describesAllahas the best deceiver there is, a liar who is not
> above using the same evil and wicked schemes of his opponents.
>
>
> But they (the Jews) were deceptive, andAllahwas deceptive, forAllahis
> the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru
> al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30
>
>
> Are they then secure fromAllah'sdeception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth
> himself secure fromAllah'sscheme (makra Allahi) save folk that perish. S.
> identifies him as the best makr there is.
>
> conniver/deceiver/schemer etc.,
>
> "Qurtubi observes that some scholars have considered the words 'best of
> schemers' to be one of God's beautiful names. Thus one would pray, 'O Best
> of Schemers, scheme for me!' Qurtubi also reports that the Prophet used to
> pray, 'O God, scheme for me, and do not scheme against me!' (Qurtubi, IV,
> pp. 98-99; cf. Zamakhshari, I, p. 366)." (Ibid., p. 166)
>
> And here, also, is how one of the earliest sources on the life of Muhammad
> interpreted Q. 8:30:
>
> Then he reminds the apostle of His favour towards him when the people
> plotted against him 'to kill him, or to wound him, or to drive him out; and
> they plotted and God plotted, and is the best of plotters.' i.e. I DECEIVED
> them with My firm GUILE so that I delivered you from them. (The Life of
> and notes by Alfred Guillaume [Oxford University Press, Karachi, Tenth
> impression 1995], p. 323; capital emphasis ours)
>
> Thus, the Quran unashamedly calls Muhammad's god the best liar and deceiver
> of them all! It even dares to say that ALL deception belongs completely toAllah:
>
> And verily, those before them did deceive/scheme (makara), but all
> person earns, and the disbelievers will know who gets the good end. S. 13:42
>
> deceive and scheme:
>
> Even so have we placed in every city, ringleaders of its wicked ones, to
> scheme therein (liyamkuroo): but only against themselves shall they scheme
> (yamkuroona)! and they know it not. S. 6:123 Rodwell
>
> And further commands people to do evil so that he can then have a reason to
> destroy them!
>
> And when We would destroy a township We send commandment to its folk who
> live at ease, AND AFTERWARD they commit abomination therein, and so the Word
> (of doom) hath effect for it, and we annihilate it with complete
> annihilation. S. 17:16 Pickthall
>
>
> The Quran uses another word to denote thatAllahis a liar, a schemer who
> liars by acting like them in his use of guile:
>
> They are devising guile (ya keedoona kaydan), and I am devising guile (Wa
> akeedu kaydan). S. 86:15-16
>
>
> There is more to the story. The Quran uses yet another word in describing
>
> Verily, the hypocrites seek to deceiveAllah, but it is He Who deceives them
> (Inna al-munafiqeena yukhadiaaoona Allaha wahuwa khadiaauhum). And when they
> stand up for As-Salat (the prayer), they stand with laziness and to be seen
>
> Here, once again, is the lexical meaning of this specific word:
>
> Kh-Dal-Ayn = To hide/conceal, double or fold, deceive or outwit, pretend, to
> enter, vary in state/condition, refrain or refuse, relinquish, to be in
> little demand of, deviate from the right course, resist/unyield/incompliant,
> turn away and behave proudly.
>
> khada'a vb. (1)
> impf. act. 2:9, 8:62
> pcple. act. 4:142
>
> khada'a vb. (3) impf. act. 2:9, 4:142
>
> LL, V2, p: 344, 345, 346, 347 (Source)
>
> references:
>
> They (think to) deceiveAllah(Yukhadiaaoona) and those who believe, while
> they only deceive (yakhdaaoona) themselves, and perceive (it) not! S. 2:9
> Hilali-Khan
>
> for thee. He it is Who supporteth thee with His help and with the believers,
> S. 8:6 Pickthall
>
> Is there any doubt that the unbelievers were using deception as they tried
> to deceive Muhammad and his companions? Just as there is no doubt thatAllah
> also uses deception in deceiving them!
>
>
> It gets worse. Satan accusedAllahof misleading or deceiving him:
>
> He said: Now, because Thou hast sent me astray (aghwaytanee), verily I shall
> lurk in ambush for them on Thy Right Path. S. 7:16 Pickthall
>
> [Iblis (Satan)] said: "O my Lord! Because you misled me (aghwaytanee), I
> shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I
> shall mislead (walaoghwiyannahum) them all. S. 15:39 Hilali-Khan
>
> What makes this last reference rather interesting is that Satan promises to
>
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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim
The pile of shit sky pixie christian god would like you to believe that he