Steve Winters Jesus Identified
Bible Bob
The Jesus that Steve Winters worships hasn't the nature of the Jesus
Christ of the Bible; but the Jesus Steve worships has a nature that
does line up with the man who says he is Jesus who now says he is the
Antichrist and has a 666 tattoo to prove it. This man's followers are
getting 666 tattoos and call him their father.
Will Steve Winters try to usurp the title of Jesus and make his
followers get 999 (judgment) tattoos. Will his followers call him
father? Will Steve be able to claim 100,000 followers?
Will Steve Winters be on Geraldo? Will Farrakan help Steve achieve
his goals?
He Calls Himself God
A Puerto Rican minister says Christ 'integrated' with him. Others call
him a cult leader and a charlatan.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16840066/site/newsweek/
Pastor with 666 tattoo claims to be divine
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/02/16/miami.preacher/index.html
Man Who Says He’s Jesus Says He’s the Antichrist
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/17479/jose-luis-de-jesus-miranda-3
http://www.wwrn.org/article.php?idd=24240&sec=55&cont=all
It was also reported on Geraldo at Large and John Kasiks Heartland
tonight but is not on the Foxnews web page yet.
.....
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
tx_catholic
verses are from the Olivet Discourse:
Matthew 24:11 - 13 "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall
deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many
shall wax cold But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall
be saved."
Matthew 24:24 "For there shall arise false Christs, and false
prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it
were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."
Pastor Steve Winter
>The Jesus that Steve Winters worships hasn't the nature of the Jesus
>Christ of the Bible;
This from the filthy false-christian scum Robert Sowle who has
repeatedly stated that he doesn't believe that Jesus is God?
I Praise the Lord that the devil's scum like Robert Sowle are so
obsessed and upset with my Bible preaching!
Satanic, false-christian filth like Robert Sowle can't even begin
to defend the stupid garbage they peddle against a real Christian
preacher.
If I had the approval of filthy, profane, low life,
false-christian slime like Robert Sowle I would fear for my soul.
The obsessed false-christian scum Robert Sowle is a malicious
liar and one of the viler false-christian dirt out here.
So far the filthy false-christian scum Robert Sowle has shared
with us that he thinks everyone would find child porn enjoyable.
Robert Sowle also shared with us how he had to go check his
computer to make sure it didn't have any child porn on it (when
he was accused by Wolfie). Robert Sowle has also claimed to
"work" with abused children....
Let's revisit some of Robert Sowle sharing from the abundance of
his heart in his public posting:
Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>How does looking at naked little girls and
>boys make you feel? Good, I bet.
[[ End of quote from Robert Sowle ]]
Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>because I know just like
>everyone else knows that child molesters enjoy what they do.
[[ End of quote from Robert Sowle ]]
How does Robert Sowle know so much about what child molesters
enjoy?
Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>But if it will make you happy I will say it for you.
>Jesus Christ is not God. Jesus Christ is not God the Creator
[[ End of quote from Robert Sowle ]]
Robert Sowle has shared with us that he doesn't believe that
Jesus is God. Robert Sowle has shared with us that he doesn't
believe in water baptism.
What he has not shared with us is why a low life slime like
Robert Sowle would even bother to try to play "christian" on
USENET!
Any real Christian should join me in obedience to Gal 1:8
regarding Robert Sowle.
Pastor Winter
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Bible Bob
<steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote:
>Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>
The Jesus that Steve Winters worships hasn't the nature of the Jesus
>
>This from the filthy false-christian scum Robert Sowle who has
>repeatedly stated that he doesn't believe that Jesus is God?
>
>I Praise the Lord that the devil's scum like Robert Sowle are so
>obsessed and upset with my Bible preaching!
I don't confess Peurto Ricans as God
You praise the lord devil? See what happens when you worship a Peurto
Rican who calls himself Jesus Christ and then the antichrist?
Well, Steve, did you like my 999 idea? You could have your followers
tatoo 999 on their foreheads at one of your kool aide ceremonies.
Maybe you could get you klan buddies to encourage the guy to stop
playing Jesus so that you can play Jesus. You got a beard and he
don't, so you aree better qualified.
Believe me, the one thig that no one is upset with you about is your
Bible preaching. You don't preach Bible. You preach lies in
hypocricy.
>
<snip garbage>
>Pastor Winter
.....
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Pastor Steve Winter
>Will Steve Winters be on Geraldo? Will Farrakan help Steve achieve
>his goals?
Thanks Robert Sowle for really removing all doubt about what a
pathetic, empty excuse for a man you really are.
You are a sick, obsessed false-christian scum, Robert Sowle.
Bible Bob
<steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote:
>Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>
The Jesus that Steve Winters worships hasn't the nature of the Jesus
Christ of the Bible; but the Jesus Steve worships has a nature that
does line up with the man who says he is Jesus who now says he is the
Antichrist and has a 666 tattoo to prove it. This man's followers are
getting 666 tattoos and call him their father.
Will Steve Winters try to usurp the title of Jesus and make his
followers get 999 (judgment) tattoos. Will his followers call him
father? Will Steve be able to claim 100,000 followers?
Will Steve Winters be on Geraldo? Will Farrakan help Steve achieve
his goals?
He Calls Himself God
>Thanks Robert Sowle for really removing all doubt about what a
>pathetic, empty excuse for a man you really are.
>
>You are a sick, obsessed false-christian scum, Robert Sowle.
>
>Pastor Winter
.....
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Pastor Steve Winter
>Will Steve Winters be on Geraldo? Will Farrakan help Steve achieve
>his goals?
The filthy false-christian dirt Robert Sowle shows us that all he
has left is to simply make up lies.
Keep showing everyone what a scum you are Robert Sowle.
Satanic, false-christian filth like Robert Sowle can't even begin
to defend the stupid garbage they peddle against a real Christian
preacher.
If I had the approval of filthy, profane, low life,
false-christian slime like Robert Sowle I would fear for my soul.
The obsessed false-christian scum Robert Sowle is a malicious
liar and one of the viler false-christian dirt out here.
So far the filthy false-christian scum Robert Sowle has shared
with us that he thinks everyone would find child porn enjoyable.
Robert Sowle also shared with us how he had to go check his
computer to make sure it didn't have any child porn on it (when
he was accused by Wolfie). Robert Sowle has also claimed to
"work" with abused children....
Let's revisit some of Robert Sowle sharing from the abundance of
his heart in his public posting:
Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>How does looking at naked little girls and
>boys make you feel? Good, I bet.
[[ End of quote from Robert Sowle ]]
Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>because I know just like
>everyone else knows that child molesters enjoy what they do.
[[ End of quote from Robert Sowle ]]
How does Robert Sowle know so much about what child molesters
enjoy?
Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>But if it will make you happy I will say it for you.
>Jesus Christ is not God. Jesus Christ is not God the Creator
[[ End of quote from Robert Sowle ]]
Robert Sowle has shared with us that he doesn't believe that
Jesus is God. Robert Sowle has shared with us that he doesn't
believe in water baptism.
What he has not shared with us is why a low life slime like
Robert Sowle would even bother to try to play "christian" on
USENET!
Any real Christian should join me in obedience to Gal 1:8
regarding Robert Sowle.
Bible Bob
<steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote:
>Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>
>>Will Steve Winters be on Geraldo? Will Farrakan help Steve achieve
>>his goals?
>
>The filthy false-christian dirt Robert Sowle shows us that all he
>has left is to simply make up lies.
Those are questions dummy; not statements.
>
<snip garbage>
Pastor Steve Winter
>>The filthy false-christian dirt Robert Sowle shows us that all he
>>has left is to simply make up lies.
>
>Those are questions dummy; not statements.
But they show us how bankrupt Robert Sowle is in his fake
theology and they show us what a vile scum Robert Sowle is.
Satanic, false-christian filth like Robert Sowle can't even begin
to defend the stupid garbage they peddle against a real Christian
preacher.
The obsessed false-christian scum Robert Sowle is a malicious
liar and one of the viler false-christian dirt out here.
So far the filthy false-christian scum Robert Sowle has shared
with us that he thinks everyone would find child porn enjoyable.
Robert Sowle also shared with us how he had to go check his
computer to make sure it didn't have any child porn on it (when
he was accused by Wolfie). Robert Sowle has also claimed to
"work" with abused children....
Let's revisit some of Robert Sowle sharing from the abundance of
his heart in his public posting:
Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>How does looking at naked little girls and
>boys make you feel? Good, I bet.
[[ End of quote from Robert Sowle ]]
Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>because I know just like
>everyone else knows that child molesters enjoy what they do.
[[ End of quote from Robert Sowle ]]
How does Robert Sowle know so much about what child molesters
enjoy?
Bible Bob
<steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote:
>Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>
>>>The filthy false-christian dirt Robert Sowle shows us that all he
>>>has left is to simply make up lies.
>>
>>Those are questions dummy; not statements.
>
>But they show us how bankrupt Robert Sowle is in his fake
>theology and they show us what a vile scum Robert Sowle is.
Bankrupt is a word that has to do with you deceiver Steve. You are
spiritually bankrupt. You are not nice. You are an ole meany. Shame
on you.
Wait a minute, did you say false theology?
Please be so kind as to tell me what my false theology is so that I
can correct it to true theology. But could you use a nicer word such
as Biblical. Theology is a denominational word that has to do with
people who call themselves theologians. I am not a theologian (can't
get my spiritual IQ low enough to be one)
>
<snipped garbage>.
Rod
"Pastor Steve Winter" <steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote in message
news:cdrpu29mfskk0dfg0...@4ax.com...
> Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>
>>>The filthy false-christian dirt Robert Sowle shows us that all he
>>>has left is to simply make up lies.
>>
>>Those are questions dummy; not statements.
>
> But they show us how bankrupt Robert Sowle is in his fake
> theology and they show us what a vile scum Robert Sowle is.
>
> Satanic, false-christian filth like Robert Sowle can't even begin
> to defend the stupid garbage they peddle against a real Christian
> preacher.
>
> The obsessed false-christian scum Robert Sowle is a malicious
> liar and one of the viler false-christian dirt out here.
>
> So far the filthy false-christian scum Robert Sowle has shared
> with us that he thinks everyone would find child porn enjoyable.
This is another reason I left you. You will go to any lengths to gain
the upperhand. I think many an apostolic can see this from your posts,
and likely will censure you. That is really what hurts you the most,
isn't
it ? Your ISP's tried to inflict censure on your rants, and you responded
by losing control and going off the deep end with your accusations.
You're an evil and deranged man, steve winter, with no love in you.
Rod
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Pastor Steve Winter
>> So far the filthy false-christian scum Robert Sowle has shared
>> with us that he thinks everyone would find child porn enjoyable.
>
>
> This is another reason I left you. You will go to any
> lengths to gain the upperhand.
I tell the TRUTH little scum!! That is why I have the upper
hand!
It is understandable why a child abuser like Rod Eastman would
feel comradeship with Robert Sowle.
Rod Eastman has admitted a history of child abuse against his
sister and Robert Sowle has stated that he thinks that "everyone"
believes that watching child porn is enjoyable.
Rod Eastman has found a true spiritual brother in Robert Sowle
and hates to see Robert Sowle's nose rubbed in his mess.
Rod Eastman is just a bitter, sick, obsessed, pathetic
little man who didn't have the guts to walk the Christian walk.
Don't blame me for your weakness and inadequacy as a man, Mr.
Eastman, you will find that perp in the mirror. Go find Satanic
slime like Robert Sowle who will support you in your sin.
Pastor Steve Winter
>> So far the filthy false-christian scum Robert Sowle has shared
>> with us that he thinks everyone would find child porn enjoyable.
>
>
> This is another reason I left you. You will go to any
> lengths to gain the upperhand.
I tell the TRUTH little scum!! That is why I have the upperhand!
You left because you weren't man enough to be a real Christian.
(looks like ole Rod is changing his story again, possibly he
realizes that he previously admitted criminal acts)
See my reply as:
"Rod Eastman, a child abuser, supports Robert Sowle in his sin"
It is understandable why a child abuser like Rod Eastman would
feel comradeship with Robert Sowle.
Rod Eastman has admitted a history of child abuse against his
sister and Robert Sowle has stated that he thinks that "everyone"
believes that watching child porn is enjoyable.
Rod Eastman has found a true spiritual brother in Robert Sowle
and hates to see Robert Sowle's nose rubbed in his mess.
Rod Eastman is just a bitter, sick, obsessed, pathetic
little man who didn't have the guts to walk the Christian walk.
Don't blame me for your weakness and inadequacy as a man, Mr.
Eastman, you will find that perp in the mirror. Go find Satanic
slime like Robert Sowle who will support you in your sin.
Pastor Winter
Quartus, a brother
> I tell the TRUTH little scum!! That is why I have the upperhand!
You have the upper hand? That speaks volumes coming from someone who
_claims_ to be a follower of the most humble man that ever walked the earth.
Besides, it seems to me that ISPs cancel your accounts with some regularity.
> The false-christian scum Charles "Quartus" Stanley won't even
> answer whether his own father was even married to his mother.
It's kinda like if we all are sitting around having a conversation about
fixing cars and you suddenly ask how often the moon revolves around the
sun. Everyone goes silent and gets a puzzled look on their face.
Stick with the subject, Steve, and quit trying to change it. You can run
all you want from your evil deeds but you can't hide.
Quartus, a brother, but not your brother
torresdD
Rod
> "Rod" <kc0...@cableone.net> spake thusly and wrote:
>
>>> So far the filthy false-christian scum Robert Sowle has shared
>>> with us that he thinks everyone would find child porn enjoyable.
>>
>>
>> This is another reason I left you. You will go to any
>> lengths to gain the upperhand.
>
> I tell the TRUTH little scum!! That is why I have the upper
> hand!
Are you going to make it necessary for us to refute this lie yet again
?? Ya' know,
I've got better things to do with my time than spend day after day
debunking your lies
and insinuations. Don't you have anything you could be doing other than
telling more
of the same old lies on usenet ? If you're such a great preacher, why is
it that you haven't
provided a better moral example than you have ? Oh, I'm libeling you
again, eh ? Well,
lets start with your story.........no....I'm not going to do this with
you. There are others
better prepared than I am to deal with you and I'm certain they will do
so if you start this
crap again !
Rod
> "Rod" <kc0...@cableone.net> spake thusly and wrote:
>
>>> So far the filthy false-christian scum Robert Sowle has shared
>>> with us that he thinks everyone would find child porn enjoyable.
>>
>>
>> This is another reason I left you. You will go to any
>> lengths to gain the upperhand.
>
> I tell the TRUTH little scum!! That is why I have the upperhand!
> You left because you weren't man enough to be a real Christian.
> (looks like ole Rod is changing his story again, possibly he
> realizes that he previously admitted criminal acts)
Let me give you a hint steve, the word "another" means more than one,
and here is another hint, "Websters".......
You're quick to condemn and slow to understand. In your hurry to burn me
at
the stake you fell over your own feet ! Ha ha ha ha ha ha !
Pastor Steve Winter
thusly and wrote:
> > The false-christian scum Charles "Quartus" Stanley won't even
> > answer whether his own father was even married to his mother.
>
>It's kinda like if we all are sitting around having a conversation about
>fixing cars and you suddenly ask how often the moon revolves around the
>sun. Everyone goes silent and gets a puzzled look on their face.
Hardly, little scum! Charles "Quartus" Stanley has declared that
fornication equals marriage, so it is not inconsistent to ask if
your parents believed the same way.
Remember the other thread:
"False-christian scum declares fornication equals marriage"
Here it is again, since you missed it:
"Quartus, a brother to the devil" <quartus_...@yahoo.com>
spake thusly and wrote:
>> These false-christian dirt like Charles "Quartus" Stanley are
>> willing to lie and declare fornication to be the same as
>> marriage! These scum will say ANYTHING!
>
>You'd be right if it was me saying it however, the scriptures say it.
>
>Marriage is one flesh (Genesis 2:23). So is being with a harlot (1
>Corinthians 6:16). Just because you don't want to believe it to be so
>does not mean that we have to reject the plain scriptures also.
It is good when these false-christian slime like Charles
"Quartus" Stanley really show everyone how ignorant they
are regarding the Bible.
This low life, false-christian scum Charles "Quartus" Stanley
will post anything if he thinks it will harm me. He is so sick
and obsessed with me because I have shown him to be a FAKE and a
LIAR!
Here the filthy, devilish slime, declares every fornicator in the
world to be married to their partner! He shows how a filthy imp
can twist the scripture.
Thank you, Charles "Quartus" Stanley for removing all doubt
regarding what an ignorant, deceitful scum you really are.
Let the reader consider one thing. When the filthy
false-christian dirt Charles Stanley posts any scripture he is
like the devil trying to convince you that you don't need to
follow the original plan of salvation.
You Oneness brethren need to understand the evil that these filth
like Charles Stanley are doing. They are deceiving souls into
hell. The Bible has instructed us to curse such deceiving scum
as Charles Stanley.
Join with me in obedience to Gal 1:8 regarding Charles Stanley
AND the filthy preachers that created such a foul Satanic scum.
Tell us again how you believe fornication equals marriage,
Charles
Stanley!
Tell us again how you support Robert Taylor for advocating child
abuse, Charles Stanley. Tell us again how you believe that a man
punching a 14 year old girl in the face is not abuse if it only
happened once.
Tell us again, Charles Stanley, how you support Stephen Adams for
trying to help child porn publishers while you attack me falsely
for simply reporting the crime.
Tell us again Charles Stanley how the woman at the well was not
living in sin with a man not married to her.
Yes, Charles Stanley, keep sharing the thoughts of your heart
so all can see what a low life, foul, lying, Satanic
false-christian scum Charles Stanley really is.
Pastor Steve Winter
>> I tell the TRUTH little scum!! That is why I have the upperhand!
>> You left because you weren't man enough to be a real Christian.
>> (looks like ole Rod is changing his story again, possibly he
>> realizes that he previously admitted criminal acts)
>
> Let me give you a hint steve, the word "another" means more than one,
> and here is another hint, "Websters".......
>
> You're quick to condemn and slow to understand. In your hurry to burn me
>at
> the stake you fell over your own feet ! Ha ha ha ha ha ha !
The lying, false-christian scum Rod Eastman who boasted of
abusing his own sister wants to talk about someone falling over
their own feet?
Naw, Rod Eastman is just a bitter, sick, obsessed, pathetic
little man who didn't have the guts to walk the Christian walk.
Don't blame me for your weakness and inadequacy as a man, Mr.
Eastman, you will find that perp in the mirror.
Pastor Winter
Pastor Steve Winter
> <snip of malicious libel>
The low life scum running usenet.com deserve the deepest contempt
from the internet community. The filthy dirt censored my
postings when I was their paying customer, but the low life slime
allow their service to be used by scum like Rod Eastman to
repeatedly publish malicious libel.
Rod
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ! Now that IS funny ! Just like you told the
truth to the court
and to us, eh ? Mix a little lie with the truth, and no one will be any
wiser but you, so
thats EXACTLY what you did ! I've caught you in several lies, as has
Cub, Quartus, John Fraser,
John Weatherly, Elaine, and how many dozen others have caught on to your
lying bull ?
I'll be to happy to publish all those lies, just to watch you make
excuses for each one
as you have in the past. The lamest excuse I've seen you make was when
you told us
that we simply did not understand what we were reading, like;
1Co 6:16 Or do you not see that he who is joined to a loose woman is one
body with her? for God has said,
The two of them will become one flesh.
Heck, that and the surrounding verses are simple enough that even YOU can
understand them !
Rod
Rod
> "Rod" <kc0...@cableone.net> spake thusly and wrote:
>
>>> So far the filthy false-christian scum Robert Sowle has shared
>>> with us that he thinks everyone would find child porn enjoyable.
>>
>>
>> This is another reason I left you. You will go to any
>> lengths to gain the upperhand.
>
> I tell the TRUTH little scum!!
That and a dime wqill by you a feather to put in that
little foil hat of yours.....
Quartus, a brother
> "Quartus, a brother" <quartus_a_br...@yahoo.com> spake
> thusly and wrote:
>
>
>>>The false-christian scum Charles "Quartus" Stanley won't even
>>>answer whether his own father was even married to his mother.
>>
>>It's kinda like if we all are sitting around having a conversation about
>>fixing cars and you suddenly ask how often the moon revolves around the
>>sun. Everyone goes silent and gets a puzzled look on their face.
>
>
> Hardly, little scum! Charles "Quartus" Stanley has declared that
> fornication equals marriage, so it is not inconsistent to ask if
> your parents believed the same way.
Nope. The scriptures say that being married is one flesh as is being
with a harlot.
I said,
"Marriage is one flesh (Genesis 2:23). So is being with a harlot (1
Corinthians 6:16). Just because you don't want to believe it to be so
does not mean that we have to reject the plain scriptures also."
Are you asking whether my parents believed what the above scriptures
say? I will answer thus: They are not rejectors of the scriptures as you
are.
Rod
"Bible Bob" <bibl...@saintly.com> wrote in message
news:iaupu21bsg61mpcii...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 23:28:39 -0500, Pastor Steve Winter
> <steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote:
>
>>Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>>
>>>>The filthy false-christian dirt Robert Sowle shows us that all he
>>>>has left is to simply make up lies.
>>>
>>>Those are questions dummy; not statements.
>>
>>But they show us how bankrupt Robert Sowle is in his fake
>>theology and they show us what a vile scum Robert Sowle is.
>
> Bankrupt is a word that has to do with you deceiver Steve. You are
> spiritually bankrupt. You are not nice. You are an ole meany. Shame
> on you.
>
> Wait a minute, did you say false theology?
Carefull now.......it might be something like the angels co created with
God. Do
you remember that one by Steve ?
Rod
> "Rod" <kc0...@cableone.net> spake thusly and wrote:
>
>> <snip of malicious libel>
>
> The low life scum running usenet.com deserve the deepest contempt
> from the internet community. The filthy dirt censored my
> postings when I was their paying customer, but the low life slime
> allow their service to be used by scum like Rod Eastman to
> repeatedly publish malicious libel.
You're a spammer ! You cut and paste so much that we aren't certain
you remember how to spell correctly ! Beside, you're a malicious liar
anyway,
and you constantly harass people and call them names, and you don't have a
God
given right to act like an ass everyday on usenet, but you do it
anyway.........
Why shouldn't they censor you and shut you off ? If I talked that way
everyday they would
TOS me as well !
I'm glad they shut you off. It serves you right ! Maybe this time you'll
learn
something from it....okay...so you won't. I can dream, can't I ??
Rod
Phlogeus
Rod
"Phlogeus" <Bright...@Flame.com> wrote in message
news:BrightasFire-0...@192.168.0.2...
> QUITE MAD!
>
It wouldn't surprise me if I were. Thats what i get for hanging around a
sub-christian news group !
Pastor Steve Winter
> Carefull now.......it might be something like the angels co created with
>God. Do you remember that one by Steve ?
The false-christian scum Rod Eastman again "demon"strates his
ignorance.
It was not unusual for God to counsel with His angels. Is the
filthy scum Rod Eastman a full fledged polytheist again now that
he is wallowing in sin?
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after
our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the
sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over
all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon
the earth.
Genesis 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their
language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.
Who did God send to Sodom?
Genesis 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot
sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet
them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
Rod Eastman is just a bitter, sick, obsessed, pathetic, little
man who didn't have the guts to walk the Christian walk. He is
now easy prey for all of the false-christian scum out here and
their doctrines of devils.
Don't blame me for your weakness and inadequacy as a man, Mr.
Eastman, you will find that perp in the mirror.
Pastor Winter
Pastor Steve Winter
thusly and wrote:
>> Hardly, little scum! Charles "Quartus" Stanley has declared that
>> fornication equals marriage, so it is not inconsistent to ask if
>> your parents believed the same way.
>
>Nope. The scriptures say that being married is one flesh as is being
>with a harlot.
Keep posting little scum, remove all doubt what an ignorant trash
Charles "Quartus" Stanley really is!
Let the reader consider one thing. When the filthy
false-christian dirt Charles Stanley posts any scripture he is
like the devil trying to convince you that you don't need to
follow the original plan of salvation.
You Oneness brethren need to understand the evil that these filth
like Charles Stanley are doing. They are deceiving souls into
hell. The Bible has instructed us to curse such deceiving scum
as Charles Stanley.
Join with me in obedience to Gal 1:8 regarding Charles Stanley
AND the filthy preachers that created such a foul Satanic scum.
Tell us again how you believe fornication equals marriage,
Charles "Quartus" Stanley!
"So you're telling us that being "one flesh" with a wife is
different than being "one flesh" with a harlot." - Charles
"Quartus" Stanley 2007
"The scriptures say that being married is one flesh as is being
with a harlot." - Charles "Quartus" Stanley 2007
Pastor Steve Winter
thusly and wrote:
>> Hardly, little scum! Charles "Quartus" Stanley has declared that
>> fornication equals marriage, so it is not inconsistent to ask if
>> your parents believed the same way.
>
>Nope. The scriptures say that being married is one flesh as is being
>with a harlot.
Keep posting little scum, remove all doubt what an ignorant trash
Charles "Quartus" Stanley really is!
See my reply as:
"Charles Stanley declares there is no difference between having
wife or a harlot."
Let the reader consider one thing. When the filthy
false-christian dirt Charles Stanley posts any scripture he is
like the devil trying to convince you that you don't need to
follow the original plan of salvation.
You Oneness brethren need to understand the evil that these filth
like Charles Stanley are doing. They are deceiving souls into
hell. The Bible has instructed us to curse such deceiving scum
as Charles Stanley.
Join with me in obedience to Gal 1:8 regarding Charles Stanley
AND the filthy preachers that created such a foul Satanic scum.
Tell us again how you believe fornication equals marriage,
Charles "Quartus" Stanley!
"So you're telling us that being "one flesh" with a wife is
different than being "one flesh" with a harlot." - Charles
"Quartus" Stanley 2007
"The scriptures say that being married is one flesh as is being
with a harlot." - Charles "Quartus" Stanley 2007
Tell us again how you support Robert Taylor for advocating child
Pastor Steve Winter
>
> Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ! Now that IS funny ! Just like you told the
>truth to the court and to us,
You have proven nothing more than your own ignorance, malice,
sickness, stupidity and dishonesty, Mr. Eastman.
Pastor Steve Winter
>> The low life scum running usenet.com deserve the deepest contempt
>> from the internet community. The filthy dirt censored my
>> postings when I was their paying customer, but the low life slime
>> allow their service to be used by scum like Rod Eastman to
>> repeatedly publish malicious libel.
>
> You're a spammer
Naw, Rod Eastman is just a bitter, sick, obsessed, pathetic
little man who didn't have the guts to walk the Christian walk.
Don't blame me for your weakness and inadequacy as a man, Mr.
Eastman, you will find that perp in the mirror.
The low life scum running usenet.com have disgraced themselves in
front of the whole usenet community by their censorship while
allowing total disregard of their TOS by scum like Rod Eastman
and several anon scums.
Rod
> "Rod" <kc0...@cableone.net> spake thusly and wrote:
>
>>
>> Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ! Now that IS funny ! Just like you told the
>>truth to the court and to us,
>
> You have proven nothing more than your own ignorance, malice,
> sickness, stupidity and dishonesty, Mr. Eastman.
>
> Rod Eastman is just a bitter, sick, obsessed, pathetic
> little man who didn't have the guts to walk the Christian walk.
>
> Don't blame me for your weakness and inadequacy as a man, Mr.
> Eastman, you will find that perp in the mirror.
As I said before, you're a spammer, and I am going to get your accounts
cancelled yet again for this, and you deserve it !
Bye, spammer !
Bible Bob
<steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote:
>"Rod" <kc0...@cableone.net> spake thusly and wrote:
>
>>> The low life scum running usenet.com deserve the deepest contempt
>>> from the internet community. The filthy dirt censored my
>>> postings when I was their paying customer, but the low life slime
>>> allow their service to be used by scum like Rod Eastman to
>>> repeatedly publish malicious libel.
>>
>> You're a spammer
>
>Naw, Rod Eastman is just a bitter, sick, obsessed, pathetic
>little man who didn't have the guts to walk the Christian walk.
>
>Don't blame me for your weakness and inadequacy as a man, Mr.
>Eastman, you will find that perp in the mirror.
>
>The low life scum running usenet.com have disgraced themselves in
>front of the whole usenet community by their censorship while
>allowing total disregard of their TOS by scum like Rod Eastman
>and several anon scums.
>
>Pastor Winter
Steve,
Jealousy. Shame on you.
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Rod
"Pastor Steve Winter" <steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote in message
news:oic0v2pugu1mklgn0...@4ax.com...
> "Rod" <kc0...@cableone.net> spake thusly and wrote:
>
>> Carefull now.......it might be something like the angels co created
>> with
>>God. Do you remember that one by Steve ?
>
> The false-christian scum Rod Eastman again "demon"strates his
> ignorance.
>
> It was not unusual for God to counsel with His angels. Is the
> filthy scum Rod Eastman a full fledged polytheist again now that
> he is wallowing in sin?
So, you're trying to lie your way out of this one again, eh ? Listen,
you todler chasing pervert, I have the original post of YOU claiming
that the angels are co-creators with God, and if you don't own up to it
RIGHT NOW, I'll publish it AGAIN, along with some of your other
fruitloop claims !
If you get any nuttier you'll have to be confined to a cage. As it is,
you could
use the company of some chimps anyway to keep that beard of yours groomed
and free of fleas !
Keep on begging for it dummy, and you'll get it, I promise you......more
embarrasment,
more grief....it's up to you. Stop your lying and be a man for once, own
up to your lies.
Quartus, a brother
> It was not unusual for God to counsel with His angels.
Really? Does He need their counsel? Is God lacking in knowledge and
needs the angels to help Him?
> Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after
> our likeness:
In what way is man made in the image and likeness of angels?
Rod
"Pastor Steve Winter" <steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote in message
news:oic0v2pugu1mklgn0...@4ax.com...
> "Rod" <kc0...@cableone.net> spake thusly and wrote:
>
>> Carefull now.......it might be something like the angels co created
>> with
>>God. Do you remember that one by Steve ?
>
> The false-christian scum Rod Eastman again "demon"strates his
> ignorance.
>
> It was not unusual for God to counsel with His angels. Is the
> filthy scum Rod Eastman a full fledged polytheist again now that
> he is wallowing in sin?
Thats more torlerable than being a full fledged idiot like you ! Angels
co creating with GOD....BAAAAAAAAAAAAA ! What a nut you
are !
Bible Bob
Rod,
He was saying that angels were co-creators with God?
Well, he has to get brownie points with his fallen angel father,
Lucifer. What better way to make points with the devil than to give
him Godly abilities.
What did the devil give you Steve, a fishing rod to throw men back in
the water with?
Ever read Genesis or Isaiah, Steve. No angel co-creators mentioned.
Genesis 1:1 KJV
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Isaiah 45:18 KJV
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that
formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it
not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I [am] the LORD; and [there
is] none else.
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Pastor Steve Winter
thusly and wrote:
>> Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after
>> our likeness:
>
>In what way is man made in the image and likeness of angels?
The ignorance of this false-christian scum Charles "Quartus"
Stanley really surprises me. I really didn't realize he was
*that* ignorant.
Angels look like men. That is why "Quartus"s polytheistic
ancestors wanted them.
The Sodomites thought the angels were men:
Genesis 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where
are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto
us, that we may know them.
Genesis 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot
sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet
them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
Pastor Winter
Pastor Steve Winter
thusly and wrote:
>> Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after
>> our likeness:
>
>In what way is man made in the image and likeness of angels?
See my reply as:
Charles "Quartus" Stanley shows his ignorance again
The ignorance of this false-christian scum Charles "Quartus"
Stanley really surprises me. I really didn't realize he was
*that* ignorant.
Angels look like men. That is why "Quartus"s polytheistic
ancestors wanted them.
The Sodomites thought the angels were men:
Genesis 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where
are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto
us, that we may know them.
Genesis 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot
sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet
them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
Pastor Winter
Pastor Steve Winter
> As I said before, you're a spammer, and I am going to get your accounts
> cancelled yet again for this, and you deserve it !
Naw, Rod Eastman is just a bitter, sick, obsessed, pathetic
little man who didn't have the guts to walk the Christian walk.
Don't blame me for your weakness and inadequacy as a man, Mr. Rod
Eastman, you will find that perp in the mirror.
The low life scum running usenet.com have disgraced themselves in
front of the whole usenet community by their censorship while
allowing total disregard of their TOS by scum like Rod Eastman
and several anon scums.
Pastor Winter
Rod
> On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:51:05 -0600, "Rod" <kc0...@cableone.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Pastor Steve Winter" <steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote in message
>>news:oic0v2pugu1mklgn0...@4ax.com...
>>> "Rod" <kc0...@cableone.net> spake thusly and wrote:
>>>
>>>> Carefull now.......it might be something like the angels co created
>>>> with
>>>>God. Do you remember that one by Steve ?
>>>
>>> The false-christian scum Rod Eastman again "demon"strates his
>>> ignorance.
>>>
>>> It was not unusual for God to counsel with His angels. Is the
>>> filthy scum Rod Eastman a full fledged polytheist again now that
>>> he is wallowing in sin?
>>
>> Thats more torlerable than being a full fledged idiot like you ! Angels
>> co creating with GOD....BAAAAAAAAAAAAA ! What a nut you
>> are !
>>
>>
>> Rod
>>
>>
>>
>> Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services
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>
>
> Rod,
>
> He was saying that angels were co-creators with God?
Yep ! He did indeed ! I'll find the post and publish it.
>
> Well, he has to get brownie points with his fallen angel father,
> Lucifer.
That shouldn't be to difficult for him to accomplish. He'll just have to
go back to kissin' satans backside. That won't bother him, he's used to
the smell !
Bible Bob
<steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote:
>"Quartus, a brother" <quartus_a_br...@yahoo.com> spake
>thusly and wrote:
>
>>> Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after
>>> our likeness:
>>
>>In what way is man made in the image and likeness of angels?
>
>The ignorance of this false-christian scum Charles "Quartus"
>Stanley really surprises me. I really didn't realize he was
>*that* ignorant.
>
>Angels look like men. That is why "Quartus"s polytheistic
>ancestors wanted them.
>
>The Sodomites thought the angels were men:
>
>Genesis 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where
>are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto
>us, that we may know them.
>
>Genesis 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot
>sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet
>them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
>
>Pastor Winter
Steve,
Correction.
Angels may take on the appearance of man, or animal, or object when
they come into concretion. In their normal state they are invisible
spirit and have no form.
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Bible Bob
<steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote:
>"Quartus, a brother" <quartus_a_br...@yahoo.com> spake
>thusly and wrote:
>
>>> Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after
>>> our likeness:
>>
>>In what way is man made in the image and likeness of angels?
>
>See my reply as:
>
>Charles "Quartus" Stanley shows his ignorance again
>
>The ignorance of this false-christian scum Charles "Quartus"
>Stanley really surprises me. I really didn't realize he was
>*that* ignorant.
>
>Angels look like men. That is why "Quartus"s polytheistic
>ancestors wanted them.
>
>The Sodomites thought the angels were men:
>
>Genesis 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where
>are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto
>us, that we may know them.
>
>Genesis 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot
>sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet
>them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
>
>Pastor Winter
Steve,
Bible Bob
<steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote:
>"Rod" <kc0...@cableone.net> spake thusly and wrote:
>
>> As I said before, you're a spammer, and I am going to get your accounts
>> cancelled yet again for this, and you deserve it !
>
>Naw, Rod Eastman is just a bitter, sick, obsessed, pathetic
>little man who didn't have the guts to walk the Christian walk.
That's a pefect description of you. Were you lookig in the mirror
when you typed that?
>
>Don't blame me for your weakness and inadequacy as a man, Mr. Rod
>Eastman, you will find that perp in the mirror.
No one blames you for Rod. There is so much to blame you for that no
one needs to make any false charges against you as you do him.
>
>The low life scum running usenet.com have disgraced themselves in
>front of the whole usenet community by their censorship while
>allowing total disregard of their TOS by scum like Rod Eastman
>and several anon scums.
Was them ole meanies mean to poor Stevie? Logically, they are
concerned about more concerned of purveryors of evil than those moe
righteous than you so it is logical that they got rid of you and kept
Rod. They probably monitored your downloads and found you downloading
child porn again and terminated you beofre you tried to sue them for
corupting your morals. Come to think of it that was a lousy excuse.
Your morals are so bankrupt that there is no way they could do
anything to make you more immoral.
>
>Pastor Winter
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Phlogeus
<kc0...@cableone.net> wrote:
> "Phlogeus" <Bright...@Flame.com> wrote in message
> news:BrightasFire-0...@192.168.0.2...
> > QUITE MAD!
> >
>
> It wouldn't surprise me if I were. Thats what i get for hanging around a
> sub-christian news group !
>
>
> Rod
You seem fine
It's Winter that seems to have gone ga-ga on us
Rod
"Phlogeus" <Bright...@Flame.com> wrote in message
news:BrightasFire-0...@192.168.0.2...
> In article <1173325...@sp6iad.superfeed.net>, "Rod"
> <kc0...@cableone.net> wrote:
>
>> "Phlogeus" <Bright...@Flame.com> wrote in message
>> news:BrightasFire-0...@192.168.0.2...
>> > QUITE MAD!
>> >
>>
>> It wouldn't surprise me if I were. Thats what i get for hanging around
>> a
>> sub-christian news group !
>>
>>
>> Rod
>
> You seem fine
>
> It's Winter that seems to have gone ga-ga on us
Let me know when I start getting a little wierd, will you ? Being around
Winter has it's price ! I want the folks in the white coats to isolate me
BFORE I start having conversations litlle creatures that I can't see... !
Ending up like Winter isn't somewhere I want to be. The neighborhood
sucks...
Rod
A friend and I once performed an interesting experiment in this area.
I've always been
fascinated with perception, it's limitations, and how the world around us
can affect it. One thing
that has an affect on visual perception is a chemical compound, another is
electro-magnetism.
Some electronic devices have been devised that can actually measure the
loss of speed of
photons passing thru the air. Science is coming up with some amazing things
to expand our
limitations, and one day the "invisible" will be within reach, but still
subject to the laws that
govern solid matter relationships.
For something to be "seen" it must have a consistancy of matter, gaseous,
liquid, or solid. Even
electro-magnetc fields can be "seen', not by the eye alone, but with aids.
Sorry for the physics
lecture, but this is an extremely interesting subject, but not completely
off topic.
Pastor Steve Winter
>> He was saying that angels were co-creators with God?
>
> Yep ! He did indeed ! I'll find the post and publish it.
Rod Eastman is a bumbling liar and a prating fool. He jumps to
his own perverted conclusions and then publishes them as if they
were fact.
Naw, Rod Eastman is just a bitter, sick, obsessed, pathetic
little man who didn't have the guts to walk the Christian walk.
Don't blame me for your weakness and inadequacy as a man, Mr. Rod
Eastman, you will find that perp in the mirror.
The low life scum running usenet.com have disgraced themselves in
front of the whole usenet community by their censorship while
allowing total disregard of their TOS by scum like Rod Eastman
and several anon scums.
Pastor Winter
Pastor Steve Winter
>They probably monitored your downloads and found you
This false-christian pig and devilish prating fool Robert Sowle
has accused usenet.com of publishing child pornography.
They are certainly scum at usenet.com, but there is no evidence
that they are doing anything illegal.
This filthy, false-christian dirt Robert Sowle has shown himself
to be willing to publish any lie that comes into his head.
Quartus, a brother
> "Quartus, a brother" <quartus_a_br...@yahoo.com> spake
> thusly and wrote:
>
>
>>In what way is man made in the image and likeness of angels?
>
>
> ancestors wanted them.
You make this stuff up as you go along, don't you Steve? You see a verse
or verses where angels took on the appearance of men and you rush to the
assumption that angels look like men.
Oh, see, says Steve, I see this verse "let us make man in our image" and
it must mean that physically they had the appearance of men.
Does God look like a man too, Steve?
Since demons are fallen angels they must look like men too. So a
possessed person has this little man inside them?
Since Satan is a fallen angel, did the serpent that spoke to Eve in the
garden have a man's face?
Ugh, I could go on...
Your explanation is about par in your ability to understand the
scriptures, which is to say, you are devoid of understanding.
Bible Bob
Rod
Well...bind my hands, take anything sharp away from me and haul me off !
I'm ready....
Bible Bob
Rod,
The word of God hints at the how. We know from the scriptures that
spirit is antecedent to matter and that matter is antecedent to light.
We know the Lucifer was the angel of light. We know that the spirits
are subject to laws put in place by God to prevent them from using
their supernatural abilities to overwhelm man. For example because of
the natural laws to move an object from New York to San Francisco
would require an amount of time limited by the velocity of light. We
also know that Jesus Christ in his resurrected body traveled well
beyond the speed of light as his travel from earth to the heavens and
back took only ten days and there was probably time within that ten
day period for a chit chat with God and some tea and cookies.
On the negative side we know from commentary about what goes on in
sceances that those with familiar spirits called mediums are the
avenues through which spirits in the form of the dead appear. Their
ability to quote dead Uncle Ralph is no great feat since they have
been around for thousdands of years and are able to know any
information that has been released into the natural world.
This is not a good area to do personal research in. It is better to
read about what goes on and then compare what goes on to what the word
of God says to find out the how.
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Bible Bob
<steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote:
>"Rod" <kc0...@cableone.net> spake thusly and wrote:
>
>>> He was saying that angels were co-creators with God?
>>
>> Yep ! He did indeed ! I'll find the post and publish it.
>
>Rod Eastman is a bumbling liar and a prating fool. He jumps to
>his own perverted conclusions and then publishes them as if they
>were fact.
>
>Naw, Rod Eastman is just a bitter, sick, obsessed, pathetic
>little man who didn't have the guts to walk the Christian walk.
>
>Don't blame me for your weakness and inadequacy as a man, Mr. Rod
>Eastman, you will find that perp in the mirror.
>
>The low life scum running usenet.com have disgraced themselves in
>front of the whole usenet community by their censorship while
>allowing total disregard of their TOS by scum like Rod Eastman
>and several anon scums.
>
>Pastor Winter
Deceiver Steve,
What does Rodl have to do with usenet.com? Does he own it? It
appears to me that you are very jealous because they dumped you and
kept him.
Stop whining and beg another ISP for an account. Be sure you tell me
who it is so I can get you canceled.
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Bible Bob
<steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote:
>Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>
>>They probably monitored your downloads and found you
>
>This false-christian pig and devilish prating fool Robert Sowle
>has accused usenet.com of publishing child pornography.
>
>They are certainly scum at usenet.com, but there is no evidence
>that they are doing anything illegal.
>
>This filthy, false-christian dirt Robert Sowle has shown himself
>to be willing to publish any lie that comes into his head.
>
>Pastor Winter
Steve,
If I remember right I think I said that usenet.com probably monitored
your account and found you downloading child porn. I did not say that
you downloaded child porn from usenet.com. That is just an ISP. You
probably got it from a European child porn website like the one that
was busted a few weeks ago. Beware, as a result of what they found at
that web site over 700 people were busted. If you are downloading
child porn from web sites, then I do hope they bust you and lock you
up where you won;t harm children. You do realize that the money that
you spend on those websites goes enslaving and abusing little
children, don't you. There is more tha a credit card transaction
involved Steve. People's lives are adversly affected.
Come to think of it, are you selling religious videos on your web site
to get money to buy child porn?
No malicious libel intended Steve. I just want to know who I am
dealing with.
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http://www.biblebob.net
Bible Bob
Quartus,
You got to admit he is getting funnier and funnier. The dummy seems
to forgot the flood which wiped out all those people. Some Biblical
scholar he is.
Steve, the flood wiped out those offspring. That was the purpose of
the flood.
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Bible Bob
Quartus, a brother
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmeFZM-BAeI
"Thus also the tongue is a little member...Therewith bless we the Lord
and Father, and therewith _curse_ we men made after the likeness of God.
Does the fountain, out of the same opening, pour forth sweet and bitter?
Can, my brethren, a fig produce olives, or a vine figs? Neither can salt
water make sweet water.
Who is wise and understanding among you; let him shew out of a good
conversation his works in meekness of wisdom; but if ye have bitter
emulation and strife in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the
truth.
This is not the wisdom which comes down from above, but earthly,
natural, _devilish_." James 3
Quartus, a brother
Bible Bob
Steve,
I'm listening to your video for the second time. The music sounds
good and the harmony is good; but Jesus didn't "come down from the sky
to suffer and die for you and I."
He did not come down from the "sky;" he was born of a woman on the
earth. You do realize that every time that Jesus spoke of the sky
that it was in connection with hypocricy. See for yourself here is
every verse where He used the word:
Matthew 16:2 KJV
He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, [It will
be] fair weather: for the sky is red.
Matthew 16:3 KJV
And in the morning, [It will be] foul weather to day: for the sky is
red and lowring. O [ye] hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the
sky; but can ye not [discern] the signs of the times?
Luke 12:56 KJV
[Ye] hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth;
but how is it that ye do not discern this time?
Jesus came as the heir apparent to the throne of David to be king of
Israel to call out the lost sheep of Israel. He did a lot more than
sufer and die. He was also raised from the dead, ascended to the
right hand of the throne of God and gave gifts unto men.
While I realize that you can only get so much information into the
lyrics of a song, don't you think that you could concentrate on His
victory over death for self and us rather than on the shame of the
cross.
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Pastor Steve Winter
>Angels may take on the appearance of man, or animal, or object when
>they come into concretion. In their normal state they are invisible
>spirit and have no form.
This ignorant, false-christian scum Robert Sowle will just makeup
anything and then publish it as if it were fact. He has no
conscience or ethics regarding what he publishes.
Satanic, false-christian filth like Robert Sowle can't even begin
to defend the stupid garbage they peddle against a real Christian
preacher.
If I had the approval of filthy, profane, low life,
false-christian slime like Robert Sowle I would fear for my soul.
The obsessed false-christian scum Robert Sowle is a malicious
liar and one of the viler false-christian dirt out here.
So far the filthy false-christian scum Robert Sowle has shared
with us that he thinks everyone would find child porn enjoyable.
Robert Sowle also shared with us how he had to go check his
computer to make sure it didn't have any child porn on it (when
he was accused by Wolfie). Robert Sowle has also claimed to
"work" with abused children....
Let's revisit some of Robert Sowle sharing from the abundance of
his heart in his public posting:
Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>How does looking at naked little girls and
>boys make you feel? Good, I bet.
[[ End of quote from Robert Sowle ]]
Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>because I know just like
>everyone else knows that child molesters enjoy what they do.
[[ End of quote from Robert Sowle ]]
How does Robert Sowle know so much about what child molesters
enjoy?
Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>But if it will make you happy I will say it for you.
>Jesus Christ is not God. Jesus Christ is not God the Creator
[[ End of quote from Robert Sowle ]]
Robert Sowle has shared with us that he doesn't believe that
Jesus is God. Robert Sowle has shared with us that he doesn't
believe in water baptism.
Any real Christian should join me in obedience to Gal 1:8
regarding Robert Sowle.
Pastor Steve Winter
thusly and wrote:
>You make this stuff up as you go along, don't you Steve? You see a verse
>or verses where angels took on the appearance of men and you rush to the
>assumption that angels look like men.
>
>Oh, see, says Steve, I see this verse "let us make man in our image" and
>it must mean that physically they had the appearance of men.
>
>Does God look like a man too, Steve?
Man, this false-christian scum Charles "Quartus" Stanley is far
more ignorant than I would have suspected.
See my reply as:
"Charles "Quartus" Stanley shows his ignorance of the Bible"
Why does this filthy devil Charles "Quartus" Stanley even bother
pretending to be "christian"??
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image
of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood
be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
This filthy devil Charles "Quartus" Stanley doesn't even know the
basics of the Bible.
Pastor Steve Winter
thusly and wrote:
>You make this stuff up as you go along, don't you Steve? You see a verse
>or verses where angels took on the appearance of men and you rush to the
>assumption that angels look like men.
>
>Oh, see, says Steve, I see this verse "let us make man in our image" and
>it must mean that physically they had the appearance of men.
>
>Does God look like a man too, Steve?
Man, this false-christian scum Charles "Quartus" Stanley is far
more ignorant than I would have suspected.
Why does this filthy devil Charles "Quartus" Stanley even bother
pretending to be "christian"??
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image
of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood
be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
This filthy devil Charles "Quartus" Stanley doesn't even know the
basics of the Bible.
Pastor Winter
Pastor Steve Winter
>If I remember right I think I said that usenet.com probably monitored
>your account and found you downloading child porn. I did not say that
>you downloaded child porn from usenet.com. That is just an ISP.
You are a prating fool, Robert Sowle, and a filthy liar.
Pastor Steve Winter
thusly and wrote:
>
>"Thus also the tongue is a little member...Therewith bless we the Lord
>and Father, and therewith _curse_ we men made after the likeness of God.
The false-christian scum Charles "Quartus" Stanley wants us to
ignore the fact that it is the Word of God that declares him and
scum like him to be accursed because he is a teacher of false
doctrines.
The Word of God commands the real Christian to curse scum like
Charles "Quartus" Stanley.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any
other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you,
let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man
preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let
him be accursed.
I believe that some of you folks have some serious misconceptions
about the Lord of the Bible, who was the perfect example for the
Christian..
I Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ
also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should
follow his steps:
I Peter 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his
mouth:
I Peter 2:23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he
suffered, he threatened not; but committed [himself] to him that
judgeth righteously:
But let us also look at a particular situation that shows us the
Lord exhibiting unusual behaviour; and that is, when he
encountered false preachers, false religionists, deceivers like
Charles "Quartus" Stanley, or Robert Sowle or Rod Eastman.
Matthew 23:33 [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can
ye escape the damnation of hell?
Matthew 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear
beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's] bones, and
of all uncleanness.
Looking carefully at verse 27. In our modern language "full of
dead men's bones and all uncleanliness" would roughly translate
as the modern term "scum". That tells me that if the Lord was
walking our streets today and encountered a denominal trinitarian
preacher, that He would call him/her/it "scum", "snake",
"hypocrite".
"Love incarnate" didn't coddle false preachers. The Apostle Paul
instructs us should we encounter anyone preaching other than the
original Acts 2:38 message:
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any
other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you,
let him be accursed.
(Check out Acts 19, if you have any doubts that Paul adhered to
the Acts 2:38 re-birth of WATER and SPIRIT.)
Would Jesus Christ call you and/or your preacher "scum" ? If
he's not preaching the Acts 2:38 Apostolic message, He sure
would!
I hope this helps.
Pastor sTeve Winter
Bible Bob
<steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote:
>"Quartus, a brother" <quartus_a_br...@yahoo.com> spake
>thusly and wrote:
>
>>You make this stuff up as you go along, don't you Steve? You see a verse
>>or verses where angels took on the appearance of men and you rush to the
>>assumption that angels look like men.
>>
>>Oh, see, says Steve, I see this verse "let us make man in our image" and
>>it must mean that physically they had the appearance of men.
>>
>>Does God look like a man too, Steve?
>
>Man, this false-christian scum Charles "Quartus" Stanley is far
>more ignorant than I would have suspected.
>
>Why does this filthy devil Charles "Quartus" Stanley even bother
>pretending to be "christian"??
>
>Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image
>of God created he him; male and female created he them.
>
>Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood
>be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
>
>This filthy devil Charles "Quartus" Stanley doesn't even know the
>basics of the Bible.
>
>Pastor Winter
Steve,
And what evidence do you have that you know the basics of the Bible?
In the past few months you have been proven wrong on every doctrine
you have spoken about.
.....
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Bible Bob
<steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote:
>Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>
>>If I remember right I think I said that usenet.com probably monitored
>>your account and found you downloading child porn. I did not say that
>>you downloaded child porn from usenet.com. That is just an ISP.
>
>You are a prating fool, Robert Sowle, and a filthy liar.
>
>Pastor Winter
Steve,
Nope. Not a lie. That's what I said. Why did you snip the context?
.....
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Bible Bob
<steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote:
>Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>
>>Angels may take on the appearance of man, or animal, or object when
>>they come into concretion. In their normal state they are invisible
>>spirit and have no form.
>
>This ignorant, false-christian scum Robert Sowle will just makeup
>anything and then publish it as if it were fact. He has no
>conscience or ethics regarding what he publishes.
>
<snip>
>
>Pastor Winter
Steve,
Are you denying that angels appeared as men? A speaking ass? A
burning bush? Ever read the Bible? Its all in there. Since I said
what is true how is that a conscience or ethics problem? Apparently
you are the one with an conscince or ethics problem since you did not
bother to provide any evidence to prove what I said to be wrong.
.....
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Quartus, a brother
> "Quartus, a brother" <quartus_a_br...@yahoo.com> spake
> thusly and wrote:
>
>
>>You make this stuff up as you go along, don't you Steve? You see a verse
>>or verses where angels took on the appearance of men and you rush to the
>>assumption that angels look like men.
>>
>>Oh, see, says Steve, I see this verse "let us make man in our image" and
>>it must mean that physically they had the appearance of men.
>>
>>Does God look like a man too, Steve?
>
>
> Man, this false-christian scum Charles "Quartus" Stanley is far
> more ignorant than I would have suspected.
Now let's take this slowly, Steve.
You are affirming that God physically looks like a man?
Quartus, a brother
> "Quartus, a brother" <quartus_a_br...@yahoo.com> spake
> thusly and wrote:
>
>
>>"Thus also the tongue is a little member...Therewith bless we the Lord
>>and Father, and therewith _curse_ we men made after the likeness of God.
There's no question, Steve, that you, with the same tongue, bless your
god and curse men, your rationalization not withstanding.
"Thus also the tongue is a little member...Therewith bless we the Lord
and Father, and therewith _curse_ we men made after the likeness of God.
Does the fountain, out of the same opening, pour forth sweet and bitter?
Can, my brethren, a fig produce olives, or a vine figs? Neither can salt
water make sweet water.
Who is wise and understanding among you; let him shew out of a good
conversation his works in meekness of wisdom; but if ye have bitter
emulation and strife in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth.
This is not the wisdom which comes down from above, but earthly,
natural, _devilish_." James 3
The message of the Apostle is that it cannot be so. Therefore we must
conclude that the god you worship is the "ruler of the authority of the
air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience" Ephesians 2:2
This explains your devilish behavior. You are a worshiper of the
antichrist, and a liar against the truth.
Pastor Steve Winter
>Are you denying that angels appeared as men?
It is clear that I am the one who pointed out that angels look
like men. I have also pointed out that man was created in the
image of God.
This ignorant, false-christian scum Robert Sowle will just makeup
anything and then publish it as if it were fact. He has no
conscience or ethics regarding what he publishes.
Pastor Winter
Pastor Steve Winter
Charles "Quartus" Stanley is determined to remove all doubt
regarding his incompetence and ignorance. Let's help him along.
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image
of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the
express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word
of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on
the right hand of the Majesty on high;
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with
you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me
hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the
Father?
Would the vile, accursed, deceitful, but above all STUPID,
false-christian scum Charles "Quartus" Stanley deny that Jesus
physically looked like a man?
Pastor Steve Winter
wrote:
>Now let's take this slowly, Steve.
>
>You are affirming that God physically looks like a man?
Charles "Quartus" Stanley is determined to remove all doubt
regarding his incompetence and ignorance. Let's help him along.
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image
of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the
express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word
of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on
the right hand of the Majesty on high;
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with
you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me
hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the
Father?
Would the vile, accursed, deceitful, but above all STUPID,
false-christian scum Charles "Quartus" Stanley deny that Jesus
physically looked like a man?
Pastor Winter
Pastor Steve Winter
>And what evidence do you have that you know the basics of the Bible?
>In the past few months you have been proven wrong on every doctrine
>you have spoken about.
Robert Sowle is a blatant liar. Remember, this filthy devil
Robert Sowle has admitted repeatedly that he doesn't even believe
that Jesus is God. Robert Sowle has proven only his own
dishonesty, blasphemy, and what a filthy, profane, obscene scum
Robert Sowle really is.
Satanic, false-christian filth like Robert Sowle can't even begin
to defend the stupid garbage they peddle against a real Christian
preacher.
If I had the approval of filthy, profane, low life,
false-christian slime like Robert Sowle I would fear for my soul.
The obsessed false-christian scum Robert Sowle is a malicious
liar and one of the viler false-christian dirt out here.
So far the filthy false-christian scum Robert Sowle has shared
with us that he thinks everyone would find child porn enjoyable.
Robert Sowle also shared with us how he had to go check his
computer to make sure it didn't have any child porn on it (when
he was accused by Wolfie). Robert Sowle has also claimed to
"work" with abused children....
Let's revisit some of Robert Sowle sharing from the abundance of
his heart in his public posting:
Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>How does looking at naked little girls and
>boys make you feel? Good, I bet.
[[ End of quote from Robert Sowle ]]
Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>because I know just like
>everyone else knows that child molesters enjoy what they do.
[[ End of quote from Robert Sowle ]]
How does Robert Sowle know so much about what child molesters
enjoy?
Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>But if it will make you happy I will say it for you.
>Jesus Christ is not God. Jesus Christ is not God the Creator
[[ End of quote from Robert Sowle ]]
Robert Sowle has shared with us that he doesn't believe that
Jesus is God. Robert Sowle has shared with us that he doesn't
believe in water baptism.
What he has not shared with us is why a low life slime like
Robert Sowle would even bother to try to play "christian" on
USENET!
Any real Christian should join me in obedience to Gal 1:8
regarding Robert Sowle.
Pastor Winter
Pastor Steve Winter
thusly and wrote:
>There's no question, Steve, that you, with the same tongue, bless your
>god and curse men, your rationalization not withstanding.
I think anyone here worth convincing can see who the
false-christian scum doing the rationalization is! Of course a
Satanic scum like Charles "Quartus" Stanley would not want people
to obey Gal 1:8-9 any more than he would wish them to obey Acts
2:38.
It is the Word of God that commands real Christians to curse scum
like Charles "Quartus" Stanley. Get used to it!
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any
other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you,
let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man
preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let
him be accursed.
Let the reader consider one thing. When the filthy
false-christian dirt Charles Stanley posts anything, including
out of context scripture, he is like the devil trying to convince
you that you don't need to follow the original plan of salvation.
You Oneness brethren need to understand the evil that these filth
like Charles Stanley are doing. They are deceiving souls into
hell. The Bible has instructed us to curse such deceiving scum
as Charles Stanley. Join with me in obedience to Gal 1:8
regarding Charles Stanley AND the filthy preachers that created
such a foul Satanic scum.
Tell us again how you believe fornication equals marriage,
Charles "Quartus" Stanley!
"So you're telling us that being "one flesh" with a wife is
different than being "one flesh" with a harlot." - Charles
"Quartus" Stanley 2007
"The scriptures say that being married is one flesh as is being
with a harlot." - Charles "Quartus" Stanley 2007
Is Charles "Quartus" Stanley really calling his own mother a
harlot?
Tell us again how you support Robert Taylor for advocating child
abuse, Charles Stanley. Tell us again how you believe that a man
punching a 14 year old girl in the face is not abuse if it only
happened once.
Tell us again, Charles Stanley, how you support Stephen Adams for
trying to help child porn publishers while you attack me falsely
for simply reporting the crime.
Tell us again Charles Stanley how the woman at the well was not
living in sin with a man not married to her.
Yes, Charles Stanley, keep sharing the thoughts of your heart so
all can see what a low life, foul, lying, Satanic false-christian
scum Charles Stanley really is.
Pastor Winter
Bible Bob
<steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote:
>Bible Bob <bibl...@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>
>>And what evidence do you have that you know the basics of the Bible?
>>In the past few months you have been proven wrong on every doctrine
>>you have spoken about.
>
>Robert Sowle is a blatant liar. Remember, this filthy devil
>Robert Sowle has admitted repeatedly that he doesn't even believe
>that Jesus is God. Robert Sowle has proven only his own
>dishonesty, blasphemy, and what a filthy, profane, obscene scum
>Robert Sowle really is.
>
<snip garbage>
>Pastor Winter
Steve,
No I am not Steve. You have been proven wrong by others and myself
about every doctrine you have posted. You were proved wrong about
Acts 2:38, about your Hebres coments, about your @ peter comments,
about your Gospel comments, about your Jesus is God comments, about
you co-creationist angels comments and if I would take the time to
look them up I am sure that over the past couple of years every
doctrine yoiu have spoken of has been wrongly divided in some way.
A double minded man is unstable in all of his ways, Steve. You are a
double minded man and your docrines and posts prove that to be true.
Your words judge you, Steve.
.....
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Bible Bob
<steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote:
>"Quartus, a brother" <quartus_a_br...@yahoo.com> spake
>thusly and wrote:
>
>>There's no question, Steve, that you, with the same tongue, bless your
>>god and curse men, your rationalization not withstanding.
>
>I think anyone here worth convincing can see who the
>false-christian scum doing the rationalization is! Of course a
>Satanic scum like Charles "Quartus" Stanley would not want people
>to obey Gal 1:8-9 any more than he would wish them to obey Acts
>2:38.
>
<snip>
>Pastor Winter
Steve,
No. You have been proven wrong on both the Acts and Galatians
doctrines. Neither of them tell you to curse anyone. That is a lie
from Satan. Paul said "let them be accursed". Paul did not say "call
them accursed" and Paul did not say "curse them" or "speak evil to
them'. He did say, be ye not overcome by evil but overcome evil with
good which is something you do not know how to do. That is covered in
Pastor 101 classes. So much for you being a real pastor.
.....
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Pastor Steve Winter
>No I am not Steve. You have been proven wrong by others and myself
>about every doctrine you have posted. You were proved wrong about
>Acts 2:38, about your Hebres coments, about your @ peter comments,
>about your Gospel comments, about your Jesus is God comments
The filthy false-christian scum Robert Sowle again admits that he
does not believe that Jesus is God.
Quartus, a brother
>>
>>You are affirming that God physically looks like a man?
>
> false-christian scum Charles "Quartus" Stanley deny that Jesus
> physically looked like a man?
No, Steve, let's not jump around.
In Genesis, where God said, "let us make man in our image", which we are
attempting to discuss with you, are you affirming that God physically
looked like a man at that time when He was counseling with the angels,
as you believe?
Quartus, a brother
> "Quartus, a brother" <quartus_a_br...@yahoo.com> spake
> thusly and wrote:
>
>
>>There's no question, Steve, that you, with the same tongue, bless your
>>god and curse men, your rationalization not withstanding.
>
>
> I think anyone here worth convincing can see who the
> false-christian scum doing the rationalization is! Of course a
> Satanic scum like Charles "Quartus" Stanley would not want people
> to obey Gal 1:8-9 any more than he would wish them to obey Acts
> 2:38.
Oh, but I do want people to obey Acts 2:38, Steve! However, unlike you,
I believe they should repent first, as Acts 2:38 says, "Repent", and not
skip repentance for the baptism, as you do.
I also want people to obey _all_ scriptures, and not cherry pick
scriptures to obey, as you do.
Pay attention, for instance, to James:
"Thus also the tongue is a little member...Therewith bless we the Lord
and Father, and therewith _curse_ we men made after the likeness of God."
James is saying not to curse men. You then pit the Apostle Paul in
Galatians against James and affirm that Paul was instructing us to curse
men thereby contradicting James. You make God a liar.
"Does the fountain, out of the same opening, pour forth sweet and
bitter? Can, my brethren, a fig produce olives, or a vine figs? Neither
can salt water make sweet water."
Yes they all can do both, according to you, Steve. You believe that you
can do good deeds and evil deeds. You believe fig trees can produce olives.
"Who is wise and understanding among you; let him shew out of a good
conversation his works in meekness of wisdom; but if ye have bitter
emulation and strife in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the
truth."
But you do lie and boast against the truth, Steve. You demonstrate it
repeatedly in your abusive language against _anyone_ who dares to
disagree with your private interpretations of the scriptures. In your
heart lies bitter emulation and strife. Your lawsuits are irrefutable
proof of it.
This is not the wisdom which comes down from above, but earthly,
natural, _devilish_."
There's no question, Steve, that you, with the same tongue, bless your
god and curse men. James calls it _devilish_ and I agree with James and
with the scriptures. I also agree with Paul that you _are already_
accursed. Your wicked works confirm that fact.
Pastor Steve Winter
thusly and wrote:
>James is saying not to curse men. You then pit the Apostle Paul in
>Galatians against James and affirm that Paul was instructing us to curse
>men thereby contradicting James. You make God a liar.
No, Charles "Quartus" Stanley is just a prating fool grasping at
straws to try to hid his ignorance of the scriptures.
YOU make Charles "Quartus" Stanley a liar because you publish
lies and false doctrines of devils. The false-christian scum
Charles "Quartus" Stanley doesn't even believe that man was
created in the image of God.
Let the reader consider one thing. When the filthy
Quartus, a brother
> "Quartus, a brother" <quartus_a_br...@yahoo.com> spake
> thusly and wrote:
>
>
>>James is saying not to curse men. You then pit the Apostle Paul in
>>Galatians against James and affirm that Paul was instructing us to curse
>>men thereby contradicting James. You make God a liar.
>
>
> No, Charles "Quartus" Stanley is just a prating fool grasping at
> straws to try to hid his ignorance of the scriptures.
>
> YOU make Charles "Quartus" Stanley a liar because you publish
> lies and false doctrines of devils.
You need to calm down, Steve, before you blow another gasket.
Fact: You curse people.
Fact: James says not to do it.
Fact: You then justify your cursing of people by misinterpreting what
Paul wrote in Galatians.
Conclusion: You pit God against Himself by affirming that the scriptures
say to curse men. You are a mocker of God.
> The false-christian scum
> Charles "Quartus" Stanley doesn't even believe that man was
> created in the image of God.
Only a simpleton would conclude that because I reject your silly
explanation of "image" that therefore I don't believe that we're created
in the likeness of God. You seize upon a word and come to an ignorant,
foolish conclusion.
Only a simpleton would ignorantly believe that "image" means that God
physically looked like a man, in Genesis at creation, and that the
'angels he He was counseling with' also physically looked like men. God
is a spirit. You are devoid of spiritual understanding.
Only a simpleton would quote many "proof" verses about the image of God,
and yet conclude that when God says "one flesh" in Genesis, and "one
flesh" in 1 Corinthians that there are two types of being "one flesh".
But you are _forced_ to reject God's plain language because you yourself
fathered children by two women.
You are self-condemned when you unrighteously criticize others for the
very things you are guilty of.
Bible Bob
Steve,
Stay on topic. He is talking about Godly things and you change the
topic to the devilish. He talks about apples and you accuse him of
cutting down cherry trees. Grab hold of your mind and make it stay on
topic.
It appear to me that you worship Charles. Charles tried to speak
about the Apostles and God and you changed the subject to Charles. He
speaks about you and you chanhge the topic to Charles.
Grab hold of your mind. God has not given you the spirit of fear,
but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. You manifest fear, no
power, no love, and a lack of a sound mind in your posts. Repent of
your deceptiveness and allow the Lord Jesus Christ help you build a
sound mind.
.....
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Rod
"Pastor Steve Winter" <steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote in message
news:5c43v2ph3pp9g5uu4...@4ax.com...
> "Pastor Ward Winkle" <pas...@myself.com> spake thusly and wrote:
>
>>You must understand, Mr. Winter, that I am an apostolic that actually
>>HAS standards.
>
> You are a lying piece of scum, and be aware cowardboi that there
> is a real preacher praying for the Lord to reward you according
> to your works.
Look....I'm going to say this once. I don't believe this is Cub that you
are cursing,
but if it were it wouldn't matter as you are still cursing. You enjoy it
though, don't you ?
The cursing I mean, you do it all the time. I can't think of many people
you haven't cursed
at least once.
>
> And, little scum, you just posted to a USENET that carries
> pornography.
So do you by the way. It is hard to keep your posts from showing up
there,
isn't it ??
>
> But doesn't the gutless, anon, malicious false-christian slime
> posting as "cub brave" (yeah, real "brave" little anon scum, eh?)
> not worship the exact same trinity that the pope does?
So do you.....
>
> Let the gutless anon false-christian scum posting as "cubbies" or
> "COWardBOY" or "Pastor Ward Winkle" tell us what the difference
> is between the trinity that he worships and the trinity that the
> pope worships?
Your religion has it's roots in Catholicism also ! You're no different
in spite of your claims !
>
> These malicious and vile anon cowards really "demon"strate the
> foul Satanic spirit of the trinity cults in this hour.
>
> Any real Christians should join with me in obedience to Gal 1:8
> regarding this little "cub devil" coward AND all of his false
> preachers.
Curse the root of your religion. What insanity......
>
> What vile Satanic spiritual sewer would produce malicious
> cowardly imps like the little "SPACE COWardBOY"?
Your kind of sewer, Steve. Look what crawled out of JNAHC.....
>
> Don't kid yourself, trinitarian, you are headed to an eternity
> with scum like "COWardBOY" if you don't repent of your
> foolishness and polytheism.
>
> I would think that a bumbling gutless coward like "Space
> COWardBOY" would be an embarrassment to any other trinity filth,
> but none of them speak out against the vile Satanic little coward
> so I suppose he "speaks their mind" as well.
sai...@nettally.com
questionable human being is still slowly slipping into the depths of
insanity. I will continue to keep him, his poor family and all those
he has deceived in my prayers.
Has his fraudulent videos been pulled from YouTube yet? I read his
recent condemnations of AOL. He must be desperate if he's stooped to
having to use AOL.
I believe it's only a matter of time before he threatens the wrong
individual and receives the legal consequences of his actions.
May God bless,
Carl
website: http://www.nettally.com/saints
blog: http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
Pastor Steve Winter
>I see Steve Winter
See my reply as:
"Devilish deceiver Carl Mccaskey crawls out of the sewer"
Wow the devil must really be upset to be sending scum like Carl
Mccaskey out here!
Carl is still upset that I have shown him to be a fake from his
own Bible so often. Carl "say" things, but I "prove" things.
Still, the best defense against scum like Carl Mccaskey is still
education and information. No one who knows the Bible for
themselves can ever be deceived by a Satanic slime like Carl
Mccaskey. So let's have another Bible study!
Let's remember that filthy like Carl Mccaskey are not merely
stupid and foolish, these slime really are antichrist!
Basic Bible salvation, what subject could be more important in
this hour in which the last moments in the history of mankind
fill the headlines with their fury.
What subject angers the sweet talking false preacher like the
subject of basic Biblical salvation? There is a reason for
that, you know.
Some would teach you that the Bible is not comprehendible so you
might as well not try, but I believe that the Bible is there for
us to understand.
Isaiah 35:8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it
shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass
over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though
fools, shall not err therein.
God declares did not give his Word to confuse or alienate people.
He gave it to show us the way and give us true light and
understanding. Even a fool like Carl Mccaskey will stand before
God without excuse.
Psalms 119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light
unto my path.
How many have ever walked in an unfamiliar area without any
light, yet so many choose to exercise their God given free will
to do just that with their spiritual path?
If we want true salvation then we need to reject the man made
fables of the worldly man made religions peddled by filth like
Carl Mccaskey, we must instead look at what was taught by Jesus
Christ, then preached upon His authority by Peter, and then
practiced by the Apostles faithfully. If we do that then we see
two essential elements that make up the Christian new birth.
Those elements are water and spirit. These truths do not
contradict the scriptures regarding belief but provide the
foundation upon which to exercise true Biblical belief, which is
based upon obedience (another concept that the false-christian
filth like Carl Mccaskey really hate).
The false-christian needs to face reality. Was Noah saved by
grace through faith by the mercy of God? Would not he have
drowned if he had refused to obey and build the ark? Was Noah
somehow waterproof? Don't let your false preacher take you down
to hell.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except
a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into
the kingdom of God.
Those essential elements are: WATER and SPIRIT. We should take
note that a grown man was told by God manifest in the flesh that
he had to be born of water and that he had to be born of the
Spirit.
Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of
eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
How can you continue to believe your false preacher that grace
means nothing to obey?
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ
have put on Christ.
Why would a real man of God try to talk you OUT of putting on
Christ as so many of the devilish false-christian preachers like
Carl Mccaskey do when they fight against Jesus Name Baptism?
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but
he that believeth not shall be damned.
Yes even with that verse we still have the devil's crowd like
Carl Mccaskey deceiving souls. Look at that verse. Is it
telling you to do one thing or to do two things? What part of
the word "and" do you not comprehend?
If you pay good money for a wash AND wax for your car, what do
you expect?
Jesus Christ gave Peter the keys to the kingdom of God. What
will become of those who reject what Peter did with those keys.
It has become common that the devil's workmen try to teach people
that Peter disobeyed Jesus. They say something like, "Well I
will take Jesus's words over Peter's any day."
If we can't trust the Apostles we have a big problem. Was it not
the Apostles who told us what Jesus said?
Some attack me for being less than tolerant towards the devils's
deceivers like Carl Mccaskey, but what does Paul tell the
Christians to do?
2 Cor 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off
occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they
glory, they may be found even as we.
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel
of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be
transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be
according to their works.
Notice also what role that Satan's servants will play. They
will pretend to be teaching righteousness. They will get jobs as
preachers.
Can we reject Peter without rejecting the One who sent him?
Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and
upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell
shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven:
and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven:
and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in
heaven.
Are those false-preachers who want you to disregard Peter's
salvation message really your friend? Are they telling you the
truth?
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and
abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he
speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the
father of it.
So we don't need to be surprised when the devil's servants lie,
OK?
I hope and pray that all can see that one can't reject Peter
without rejecting the Lord Jesus Christ who gave Peter the keys
to the kingdom of heaven. So let's study what Peter taught.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both
Lord and Christ.
37 ¶ Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart,
and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and
brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one
of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and
ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all
that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
How can anyone, even in their wildest imagination, believe that
they are among the "called of God" when they reject the Acts 2:38
salvation that Peter preached on the authority of the Lord Jesus
Christ?
We need to take note that water baptism is to be done in Jesus
Name. Monotheists have no problem with that, but polytheists
really stumble on that and thereby expose themselves that they
truly are polytheistic and really are teaching three god squad
members. In the Bible when people received the Holy Ghost, they
spoke with other tongues.
The devil's servants have found that the best way to keep people
from seeking the real Baptism of the Holy Ghost is to convince
them they already have it and then just hold them by their
religious pride. But why would anyone desiring and claiming a
true Biblical experience be so adamantly against such a basic
Bible principle.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began
to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy
Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied
Paul also said:
1 Corinthians 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more
than ye all:
There are examples in the Bible where people received the Holy
Ghost before they were baptised in Jesus Name. There are also
examples where people were baptised in Jesus Name before they
received the Holy Ghost. Both are valid salvation experiences
since the Bible documents both scenarios as valid.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except
a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into
the kingdom of God.
Whenever either ingredient of the Christian New Birth was
missing, the Apostles of Jesus IMMEDIATELY added the missing one.
If a person was baptized in Jesus Name then the Apostles prayed
for them to receive the Holy Spirit. (that also proves that
people don't automatically receive the Holy Ghost when they
"believe" as some of Satan's ministers teach. When people
received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues,
the Apostles immediately baptized them in Jesus Name.
Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things
concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they
were baptized, both men and women.
13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized,
he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles
and signs which were done.
14 ¶ Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that
Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter
and John:
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they
might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were
baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the
Holy Ghost.
Note how they had been baptized.
Acts 10:44 ¶ While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost
fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished,
as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was
poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then
answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized,
which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.
Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
So how did the Apostles know that Gentiles had received the same
Holy Ghost they had?
Those who had even been baptised personally by John the Baptist
were re-baptised in Jesus name for the remission of their sins.
John's baptism was only for a temporary period of time. Jesus
Name baptism does remit sins by the POWER of the shed blood of
God.
Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at
Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to
Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye
believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard
whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And
they said, Unto John’s baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of
repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on
him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the
Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost
came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.
So with that verse 2 up there, how are Satan's ministers like
Carl Mccaskey still convincing people that they automatically
receive the Holy Ghost when they first "believe"?
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and
wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
How does a person have their sins washed away? Clearly it is by
being baptized in Jesus Name which is the METHOD whereby one
calls on the Name of the Lord.
Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are
risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who
hath raised him from the dead.
Note the essentiality of both WATER and SPIRIT:
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so
be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not
the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
The Bible speaks of the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ as
EXACTLY the same Spirit.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but
he that believeth not shall be damned.
How could Jesus have been more clear regarding the essentiality
of Jesus Name baptism?
James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only,
deceiving your own selves.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except
a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into
the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is
born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Remember here that Jesus was telling a grown man what he STILL
needed to do in order to be saved. The grown man still had to
be reborn of WATER and of the SPIRIT.
This is totally consistent with the plan of salvation that Peter,
the "man with the keys to the kingdom" preached on the birthday
of the New Testament Church.
Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and
upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell
shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven:
and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven:
and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in
heaven.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized
every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of
sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and
to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God
shall call.
Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort,
saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized:
and the same day there were added [unto them] about three
thousand souls.
If your false-preacher has told you that you don't need to obey
Acts 2:38, I want you to consider these next verses.
2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us,
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty
angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God,
and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the
presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
How can people be so gullible that they don't think they need to
obey the Gospel?
1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at
the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end
be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
Romans 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias
saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
See in the above verse how the Apostles considered a "non-obeyer"
to be a "non-believer"?
Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into
Christ have put on Christ.
If you will study these verses rightly divided from the KJV
Bible, no Satanic slime like Carl Mccaskey will be able to
deceive you into hell.
Pastor Steve Winter
Pastor Steve Winter
>I see Steve Winter
See my other reply as:
"Devilish deceiver Carl Mccaskey crawls out of the sewer"
Wow the devil must really be furious to be sending scum like Carl
Mccaskey back out here!
Carl is still upset that I have shown him to be a fake from his
own Bible so often. Carl "says" things, but I "prove" things.
Still, the best defense against all false-christian scum like
Paul also said:
Pastor Steve Winter
sai...@nettally.com
2:38 from a Biblical standpoint as well as a scholarly standpoint. The
author is unknown and I offer it "as is".
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BAPTISMAL REGENERATION & ACTS 2:38
by anon
Baptismal remission or regeneration teaches that a person is
regenerated, born again - saved by the act of water baptism.
Alexander Campbell, founder of the Church of Christ states:
"Immersion, is that act by which our state is changed...Christian
immersion, frequently called conversion is an act, inseparably
connected with the remission of sins." (Millennial Harbinger, V-1
"Extra")
"If so, then, who will not concur with me in saying that Christian
immersion is the Gospel in water." (Alexander Campbell, Campbell -
Rice debate, p.443)
"The New Testament teaches baptism as an act which is essential to
salvation..." (Introducing The Church Of Christ, p.107)
Alexander Campbell states: "The preposition [FOR] "eis" here means in
order to - in order to the remission of sins." (Campbell, Walker
debate, 1823 p.124)
Acts 2:38 "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of
Jesus Christ FOR (in order to) the remission of your sins."?
What Campbell failed to mention was that the preposition "eis" has
several shades of meaning. In the KJV eis is translated in this way:
Against -- 25 times
Among -- 16 times
At -- 20 times
Concerning -- 5 times
For -- 91 times
In -- 131 times
Into -- 571 times
That -- 30 times
On -- 57 times
To -- 282 times
Toward -- 32 times
Unto -- 208 times
Upon -- 25 times
In Dana and Manty's, A Manual Grammar Of The Greek New Testament "eis"
classified in five of eight categories as:
Direction: into, unto, to.
Position: in, among, upon.
Relation: as, for, against, in respect to.
Cause: because of.
Purpose: for the purpose of.
Some examples of the english usage of the preposition FOR are:
I asked the lawyer FOR (in order to get) some advise.
I talked to the lawyer FOR (in behalf of) my son.
I consulted the lawyer FOR (because of) the trouble I was in.
I phoned the lawyer FOR (with respect to) the bill he sent.
Other examples:
John was beheaded FOR his faithfulness.
The criminal was hung FOR his crime.
The people laughed FOR joy.
Christ died FOR our sins, etc.
I took an aspirin FOR a headache.
Examples of the "eis" in the Scriptures
Matthew 12:41
"The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation
and condemn it; for they repented AT the preaching of Jonah, and now
one greater than Jonah is here."
"...for they repented "eis" the preaching of Jonah..."
"in order to" ? or "because of" the preaching of Jonah?
Matthew 3:11
"I baptize you with water UNTO repentance..."
The "unto" in the KJV is a translation of "eis". If translated "in
order to" the verse does not make sense. "I baptize you with water (in
order to) repentance..." ?
"I baptize you with water (because of - concerning) repentance..."
Acts 2:25
"For David speaketh CONCERNING him (Christ)" "Concerning" is a
translation of "eis" If translated "in order to" the error is
obvious.
"For David speaketh (in order to) him..." ?
Luke 5: 12-14
"While Jesus was in one of the towns, a man came along who was covered
with leprosy. When he saw Jesus, he fell with his face to the ground
and begged him, "Lord, if you are willing, you can make me clean."
Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man. "I am willing," he
said. "Be clean!" And immediately the leprosy left him. Then Jesus
ordered him, "Don't tell anyone, but go, show yourself to the priest
and offer the sacrifices that Moses commanded FOR thy cleansing, as a
testimony to them."
"...show yourself to the priest and offer the sacrifices that Moses
commanded FOR [in order to?, or because of?] thy cleansing, as a
testimony to them." It should be noted that the leper was healed
before he offered a sacrifice. The offering was "for thy cleansing" or
because of - not to obtain it, but a formal declaration in ceremony
that it has already happened and testimony to what God has done.
Matthew 3:11
"I baptize you with water UNTO (in order to) repentance." ?
"I baptize you with water UNTO (with reference to) repentance."
"I baptize you with reference to that exercising of it, is what John
means. Or, as Tyndale, in his version says, `I baptize you in token of
your repentance.' That makes fine sense." (B.H. Carroll, An
Interpretation of the English Bible. Vol. 12 p.91)
More uses of eis in the Scriptures:
Matthew 28:19
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them "eis"
the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
Mark 1:9
"At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by
John "eis" the Jordan."
Acts 8:16
"...they had simply been baptized "eis" the name of the Lord Jesus."
ACTS 2:38
Campbell: "The preposition "eis" here means in order to - in order to
the remission of sins." Acts 2:38 is the cornerstone of Campbell's
theory re: baptismal regeneration, it says: "Repent, and be baptized
every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ FOR (Campbell, in order
to -to get) the remission of your sins."
"eis" if translated "in order to" in this verse would in fact teach
baptismal regeneration. The verse should be rendered:
Acts 2:38 "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of
Jesus Christ FOR (because of - on account of - in respect to - in
reference to) the remission of your sins."
"The word "eis" is simply a preposition of reference. Baptism has a
reference to remission of sins. It is a ceremonial ordinance, or act,
which refers to the remission of sins through Christ's redemption
(Matt. 26:28) Remission is procured by Christ; remission is received
by faith. (Acts 10:43), and remission is professed by baptism (Acts
2:38)." (Bob L. Ross, The Restoration Movement. p.48)
The Scriptures teach that it is by Grace through faith that one is
saved. NOT a result of works - including baptism.
Eph 2:8-10 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and
this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so
that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ
Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do."
Luke 7:50 "Jesus said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in
peace."
John 3:36 "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever
rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
John 5:24 "I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes
him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has
crossed over from death to life."
John 6:29 "Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in
the one he has sent."
John 6:40 "For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son
and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up
at the last day."
John 6:47 "I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting
life."
Acts 2:21 "And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be
saved."
Acts 10:43 "All the prophets testify about him that everyone who
believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."
Acts 16:31 "They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be
saved--you and your household."
Romans 3:28 "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart
from observing the law."
Romans 4:5 "However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who
justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness."
Gal 3:26 "You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus."
THE THIEF ON THE CROSS
Luke 23:39-43
"One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: "Aren't
you the Christ? Save yourself and us!" But the other criminal rebuked
him. "Don't you fear God," he said, "since you are under the same
sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds
deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong." Then he said, "Jesus,
remember me when you come into your kingdom." Jesus answered him, "I
tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."
The Church of Christ publication "The Spiritual Sword" States:
"The thief lived and died during the period that the law of Moses was
still in force." (SS/April 1976, p.35)
However, the Scriptures teach that:
Gal 2:16 "Know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but
by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ
Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing
the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified."
Acts 13:39 "Through him everyone who believes is justified from
everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses."
Romans 4:3 "What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and
it was credited to him as righteousness."
The thief also believed God and it was credited to him as
righteousness.
CORNELIUS AND HIS HOUSEHOLD
Acts 10:44-48 "While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy
Spirit came on all who heard the message. The circumcised believers
who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy
Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles. For they heard them
speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said,"Can anyone keep
these people from being baptized with water? They have received the
Holy Spirit just as we have." So he ordered that they be baptized in
the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for
a few days.
Once again in diametric opposition to the clear teachings of
scripture, the Church of Christ teaches that Cornelius and his
household "received the Holy Spirit baptism" but were "not saved". (SS/
April 1976 p.15)
2 Peter 3:16 "He (Paul) writes the same way in all his letters,
speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things
that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people
distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."
"Since only people baptized to remit sins are baptized properly, then
Mormons, Catholics and Campbellites are the only ones who ever please
God. John Wesley and other great saints were ungodly wretches,
according to their doctrine. The church of Christ says that a man
cannot love God 'til he is baptized (1 John 4:7) and they teach that
being born of God is baptism. Thus they baptize haters of God and
claim to make them lovers of God. What power in their water. They
teach that man and water are the saviour instead of Christ. A man can
repent, believe, confess, and live a perfect life, but is still lost
unless he is baptized. Then baptism is what saves him, according to
their doctrine. Two things are essential to baptism - water and
somebody to do it. Then these two things are what saves a man's soul.
God does not do it. Christ does not. Grace does not. The cross does
not. It is the waters of baptism. Imagine a man shipwrecked alone on
an island who finds a New Testament and believes and trusts the Lord
to save him, but he cannot go to Heaven because he does not have a
Campbellite preacher there to save him. How sad." (R.A. Long, The
Truth About The Church Of Christ, p.36)
The believer BEFORE baptism:
The believer is a son of God - John 1:12,13.
The believer has eternal life - John 3:14-16; 5:24.
The believer shall never die - John 11:26.
The believer has forgiveness of sins - Acts 13:38.
The believer is made righteous - Romans 4:5-8.
The believer is born of God - 1 John 4:7; 5:1
The believer is justified - Acts 13:39.
The believer has peace - Romans 5:1.
The believer overcomes the world - 1 John 5:5.
...all this without a single drop of water.
----
I offer this article to aid those refuting Steve Winter's misuse and
false teachings in regards to Acts 2:38 and salvation in general.
Please keep in mind that it is important to have scripture explain
scripture and take the Bible in totality on specific topics rather
than cherry-pick what you wish to utilize.
May God bless,
Carl
website: http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog: http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
Bible Bob
<steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote:
>sai...@nettally.com spake thusly and wrote:
>
>>I see Steve Winter
>
>See my reply as:
>
>"Devilish deceiver Carl Mccaskey crawls out of the sewer"
Only because he came down in it to rescue you. I don't see why you
would call him devilish, he was only trying to help you. But you do
get your gods backwards. God and Jesus Christ are devils to you and
Satan is god to you.
>
>Wow the devil must really be upset to be sending scum like Carl
>Mccaskey out here!
Which is Steve Winters for "The reeal God sent another rescuer, but
I'll spit in God's face again so the devil will be proud of me."
>
>Carl is still upset that I have shown him to be a fake from his
>own Bible so often. Carl "say" things, but I "prove" things.
I don't know who Carl is, but I do know without even reading any of
the posts that you haven't shown him to be a fake. You are the fake,
Steve - a super hyocrite hyper religious follower of Satan who
persecutesd God's saints.
>
>Still, the best defense against scum like Carl Mccaskey is still
>education and information. No one who knows the Bible for
>themselves can ever be deceived by a Satanic slime like Carl
>Mccaskey. So let's have another Bible study!
Substitute Steve Winters for Carl McCraskey.
>
>Let's remember that filthy like Carl Mccaskey are not merely
>stupid and foolish, these slime really are antichrist!
Oh! you dropped the "scum" part. That's good Steve.
>
>Basic Bible salvation, what subject could be more important in
>this hour in which the last moments in the history of mankind
>fill the headlines with their fury.
Nice sentence.
>
>What subject angers the sweet talking false preacher like the
>subject of basic Biblical salvation? There is a reason for
>that, you know.
It does anger you Steve. You don't want anyone to really be saved
because you work for Satan who wants everybody dead. That is why you
preach a false gospel that denies the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
doesn't include repentance, etc. As long as someone pays a oneness
minister to dunk them in some water, they are saved - provvided the
contribute the necessary baptizing fee.
>
>Some would teach you that the Bible is not comprehendible so you
>might as well not try, but I believe that the Bible is there for
>us to understand.
That's a nice belief.
>
>Isaiah 35:8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it
>shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass
>over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though
>fools, shall not err therein.
>
>God declares did not give his Word to confuse or alienate people.
>He gave it to show us the way and give us true light and
>understanding. Even a fool like Carl Mccaskey will stand before
>God without excuse.
>
So, you take the goodness of God and make evil out of it. Yep, the
devil is real proud of you.
You do realize that Isaiah 35:8 is not speaking about the church of
God, don't you. I know the commentators say it does but it obviously
speaks about a time after the parusia (rapture) when the church of God
is not longer on the earth. You might want to try reading it in
context with chapter 34. The pronoun "them" in 35: 1 takes you back
to the previous chapter for the antecedent.
>Psalms 119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light
>unto my path.
>
>How many have ever walked in an unfamiliar area without any
>light, yet so many choose to exercise their God given free will
>to do just that with their spiritual path?
As evidenced by your arrogance, unrepentance, and evil speaking
against God's saints. You exercise your free will to do evil.
>
>If we want true salvation then we need to reject the man made
>fables of the worldly man made religions peddled by filth like
>Carl Mccaskey, we must instead look at what was taught by Jesus
>Christ, then preached upon His authority by Peter, and then
>practiced by the Apostles faithfully. If we do that then we see
>two essential elements that make up the Christian new birth.
>Those elements are water and spirit. These truths do not
>contradict the scriptures regarding belief but provide the
>foundation upon which to exercise true Biblical belief, which is
>based upon obedience (another concept that the false-christian
>filth like Carl Mccaskey really hate).
"True salvation" is not a Biblical term. It is a made up term by a
con artist, a man made fable made up by you a man that peddles a man
made religion. How about documenting your water and spirit theology
from the Scriptures? Don't bother trying John 3 or 1 John 5. The
spirit birth of John 3 is greater than the water birth of John 3. If
you try to use 1 Jn 5, you need to add blood.
1 John 5:6-8 NASB
6 This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with
the water only, but with the water and with the blood. It is the
Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.
7 For there are three that testify:
8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in
agreement.
Another problem you hgave with your false doctrines is getting around
Acts where both Jesus and Peter say water baptism is superceded by
spirit baptism. Maybe you could make money doing spirit baptisms.
Acts 1:5 KJV
For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the
Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Acts 11:16 KJV
Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed
baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
>
>The false-christian needs to face reality. Was Noah saved by
>grace through faith by the mercy of God? Would not he have
>drowned if he had refused to obey and build the ark? Was Noah
>somehow waterproof? Don't let your false preacher take you down
>to hell.
Define "hell" from the Sriptures and prove that one Christian is
doomed to your version of hell. Be sure to define "sheol" and "hades"
before you try it.
>
>John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except
>a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into
>the kingdom of God.
>
>Those essential elements are: WATER and SPIRIT. We should take
>note that a grown man was told by God manifest in the flesh that
>he had to be born of water and that he had to be born of the
>Spirit.
Natural birth and spirit birth. Has nothing to do with baptism.
Besides, it was spoken to a Jew before Pentecost and there is no
indication that Nicodemus was baptized prior to Pentecost. Jesus was
speaking to Israel, not the church of God.
>
>Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of
>eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
>
>How can you continue to believe your false preacher that grace
>means nothing to obey?
Maybe the way you do it? You continue to believe your false pracher
(satan) and yourself (the messenger of Satan sent to buffet the
saints).
>
>Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ
>have put on Christ.
Spirit baptism; not water baptism. Tryu a little context:
Galatians 3:25-27 KJV
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a
schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on
Christ.
Baptism come after faith and it is talking about spiritual baptism;
not water baptism.
>
>Why would a real man of God try to talk you OUT of putting on
>Christ as so many of the devilish false-christian preachers like
>Carl Mccaskey do when they fight against Jesus Name Baptism?
Nothing wrong with taking baths. But selling baths for filthy lucres
sake is bad. You ae no man of God. Youa re not a prophet. Youa re
not even a pastoor; just a messenger of satan sent to buffet the aints
like you just tried to do to Carl.
>
>Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but
>he that believeth not shall be damned.
Spirit baptism. Spirit baptism is receiving the holy spirit. First
you believe then you get the spirit. .
>
>Yes even with that verse we still have the devil's crowd like
>Carl Mccaskey deceiving souls. Look at that verse. Is it
>telling you to do one thing or to do two things? What part of
>the word "and" do you not comprehend?
Actually. it tells you to do one thing. It says to believe. Dummy!
The act of baptism is carried out by another on a person. Above it is
carried out by Jesus Christ; not some oneness preacher out to make a
few bucks.
>
>If you pay good money for a wash AND wax for your car, what do
>you expect?
More than I would get from you from your wash and wax job. Your wash
job won't get me clean and the wax you use is false doctrines which
are not profitable for life and godliness.
>
>Jesus Christ gave Peter the keys to the kingdom of God. What
>will become of those who reject what Peter did with those keys.
>It has become common that the devil's workmen try to teach people
>that Peter disobeyed Jesus. They say something like, "Well I
>will take Jesus's words over Peter's any day."
Wrong. It does not say that. It says he would give Peter the keys
and that is still future Mr Catholic man. No keys were given to Peter
on Petecost.
>
>If we can't trust the Apostles we have a big problem. Was it not
>the Apostles who told us what Jesus said?
We can; but we can't trust you.
>
>Some attack me for being less than tolerant towards the devils's
>deceivers like Carl Mccaskey, but what does Paul tell the
>Christians to do?
>
People rebuke you for false doctrines and for being a messenger of
Satan sent to buiffet the saints.
>2 Cor 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off
>occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they
>glory, they may be found even as we.
>13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
>themselves into the apostles of Christ.
>14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel
>of light.
>15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be
>transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be
>according to their works.
You are the pretend apostle Mr aposto lick. You are the deceiver as
everybody knows.
>
>Notice also what role that Satan's servants will play. They
>will pretend to be teaching righteousness. They will get jobs as
>preachers.
The one you play. Like you pretending to preach righteousness when in
truth you preach unrighteousness unrighteously because you are not
righteous and need to be righteous to preach righteousness. You gave
yourself a job as a fake preacher and a fake pastor.
>
>Can we reject Peter without rejecting the One who sent him?
>
>Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and
>upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell
>shall not prevail against it.
>19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven:
>and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven:
>and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in
>heaven.
Steve, the keys will be given out after the "rapture". Don't you know
anything about Jesus Christ and why he came to earth and why he will
come again for his saints and then again with his angels?
>
>Are those false-preachers who want you to disregard Peter's
>salvation message really your friend? Are they telling you the
>truth?
You are not and you are not.
>
>John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
>father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and
>abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he
>speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the
>father of it.
Yep, you sure are.
>
>So we don't need to be surprised when the devil's servants lie,
>OK?
We are not surprised when you lie - BELIEVE ME WE ARE NOT SURPRISED
WHEN YOU LIE.
>
>I hope and pray that all can see that one can't reject Peter
>without rejecting the Lord Jesus Christ who gave Peter the keys
>to the kingdom of heaven. So let's study what Peter taught.
No you don't. Oh, no not your false dctrines from wrongly divided
Acts again.
>
>Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
>that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both
>Lord and Christ.
>37 ¶ Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart,
>and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and
>brethren, what shall we do?
>38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one
>of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and
>ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
>39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all
>that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
>
>How can anyone, even in their wildest imagination, believe that
>they are among the "called of God" when they reject the Acts 2:38
>salvation that Peter preached on the authority of the Lord Jesus
>Christ?
You are the one that rejects Acts 2:38
>
>We need to take note that water baptism is to be done in Jesus
>Name. Monotheists have no problem with that, but polytheists
>really stumble on that and thereby expose themselves that they
>truly are polytheistic and really are teaching three god squad
>members. In the Bible when people received the Holy Ghost, they
>spoke with other tongues.
You are neither monotheist or polytheist, you are maniactheorist.
Well maybe you do qualify for polytheist since you do worship Satan,
demons and yourself as gods.
>
>The devil's servants have found that the best way to keep people
>from seeking the real Baptism of the Holy Ghost is to convince
>them they already have it and then just hold them by their
>religious pride. But why would anyone desiring and claiming a
>true Biblical experience be so adamantly against such a basic
>Bible principle.
The devils servants (you) do what youa re doing in this post,
buffeting the saints and wrongly dividing the word of truth.
>
>Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began
>to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
>
>Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy
>Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied
Who did the giving? Was it a oneness preacher? No.
>
>Paul also said:
>
>1 Corinthians 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more
>than ye all:
>
>There are examples in the Bible where people received the Holy
>Ghost before they were baptised in Jesus Name. There are also
>examples where people were baptised in Jesus Name before they
>received the Holy Ghost. Both are valid salvation experiences
>since the Bible documents both scenarios as valid.
>
>John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except
>a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into
>the kingdom of God.
>
>Whenever either ingredient of the Christian New Birth was
>missing, the Apostles of Jesus IMMEDIATELY added the missing one.
>If a person was baptized in Jesus Name then the Apostles prayed
>for them to receive the Holy Spirit. (that also proves that
>people don't automatically receive the Holy Ghost when they
>"believe" as some of Satan's ministers teach. When people
>received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues,
>the Apostles immediately baptized them in Jesus Name.
That is not true. Reads Acts 2:38
>
>Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things
>concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they
>were baptized, both men and women.
Where is water mentioned?
>13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized,
>he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles
>and signs which were done.
Where is water mentioned?
>14 ¶ Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that
>Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter
>and John:
>15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they
>might receive the Holy Ghost:
>16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were
>baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
>17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the
>Holy Ghost.
>
>Note how they had been baptized.
That's right, water baptism isn't sufficient.
>
>Acts 10:44 ¶ While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost
>fell on all them which heard the word.
>45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished,
>as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was
>poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
>46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then
>answered Peter,
>47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized,
>which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
>48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.
>Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Then comes the passage that destroys your false doctrine when Peter
speaking about that very incident said:
Acts 11:16 KJV
Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed
baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
>
>So how did the Apostles know that Gentiles had received the same
>Holy Ghost they had?
They heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.
>
>Those who had even been baptised personally by John the Baptist
>were re-baptised in Jesus name for the remission of their sins.
>John's baptism was only for a temporary period of time. Jesus
>Name baptism does remit sins by the POWER of the shed blood of
>God.
Dummy! You can't even spell baptize correctly. Baptised is the
southern babbler version of the word.
Where do you see that someone weas baptized by John the Baptist that
was re-baptized. John the Baptist was long dead. What is wrong with
you? They had been water baptized which didn't get the job done and
were baptized in the spirit and that did get the job done. You are
such a great big phoney. The verses do not say that John Baptized
them. It says they were baptizd "unto" John's baptism - water
baptism.
>
>Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at
>Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to
>Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
>2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye
>believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard
>whether there be any Holy Ghost.
>3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And
>they said, Unto John’s baptism.
>4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of
>repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on
>him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
>5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the
>Lord Jesus.
>6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost
>came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
>7 And all the men were about twelve.
>
>So with that verse 2 up there, how are Satan's ministers like
>Carl Mccaskey still convincing people that they automatically
>receive the Holy Ghost when they first "believe"?
What does vese two have to do withy Carl. Why do you use the word of
God deceitfully? Because you ae a deceiver; and a stupid one at that
that can't even read.
John baptized them - how pathetic can you get?
>
>Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and
>wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
>
>How does a person have their sins washed away? Clearly it is by
>being baptized in Jesus Name which is the METHOD whereby one
>calls on the Name of the Lord.
No water mentioned. Talking about spirit baptism.
>
>Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are
>risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who
>hath raised him from the dead.
Talking about spirit baptism. No water mentioned.
>
>Note the essentiality of both WATER and SPIRIT:
How, it's not there.
>
>Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so
>be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not
>the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
No water mentioned.
>
>The Bible speaks of the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ as
>EXACTLY the same Spirit.
Dummy. Did you notice that there are two sentences and neither says
that the other is exactly the same. Things that are similar are not
identical.
>
>Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but
>he that believeth not shall be damned.
Spirit baptism.
>
>How could Jesus have been more clear regarding the essentiality
>of Jesus Name baptism?
By putting "Jesus Name Baptism" in the Bible which He didn't.
>
>James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only,
>deceiving your own selves.
Do that one Steve.
>
>John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except
>a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into
>the kingdom of God.
>6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is
>born of the Spirit is spirit.
>7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
>
>Remember here that Jesus was telling a grown man what he STILL
>needed to do in order to be saved. The grown man still had to
>be reborn of WATER and of the SPIRIT.
Does not say reborn of water. Liar. Why do you add to the word of
God? Because you are a deceiver.
>
>This is totally consistent with the plan of salvation that Peter,
>the "man with the keys to the kingdom" preached on the birthday
>of the New Testament Church.
Peter did not have the keys. ACts does not say Peter got the keys.
He gets them during the Lord's Day spoken of in Revelation. Of coure
you being RCC believe that Peter was the Pope.
Ah Steve; how can you be so stupid. That occurs after He comes for
His saints. After the rapture. He comes the second time with his
angels; not saints. Can't you read?
>
>How can people be so gullible that they don't think they need to
>obey the Gospel?
Not your gospel which is different from Christ's and Pauls but in
harmony with Satan's
>
>1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at
>the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end
>be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
Well, what is it Steve? Explain it.
>
>Romans 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias
>saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Talking about guys like you.
>
>See in the above verse how the Apostles considered a "non-obeyer"
>to be a "non-believer"?
That would be you.
>
>Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into
>Christ have put on Christ.
Spirit; not water.
>
>If you will study these verses rightly divided from the KJV
>Bible, no Satanic slime like Carl Mccaskey will be able to
>deceive you into hell.
Rightly divided!!! You got to be absolutely NUTS. A child could do
better than you fale pastor.
>
>Pastor Steve Winter
.....
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Pastor Steve Winter
>The following is an article found on the internet which examines Acts
>2:38 from a Biblical standpoint as well as a scholarly standpoint.
The filthy, accursed, false-christian scum Carl Mccaskey sure is
mighty afraid that someone might be convinced to obey the Bible.
Pastor Winter
Pastor Steve Winter
>>"Devilish deceiver Carl Mccaskey crawls out of the sewer"
>
>Only because he came down in it to rescue you.
Notice that the scum that would support the devilish Carl
Mccaskey is a scum Robert Sowle who has admitted that he doesn't
even believe that Jesus is God. The slime has really found him
a spiritual brother here, eh?
Pastor Winter