the Church of England in Canada - a short history
Michael James
A nice site only a page long, but covers the evolution of Anglicansim in
Canada
Up unitl 1955 it was "the Church of England IN Canada" afterwards known
as the Anglican Church Canada.
My father never used the word Anglican....he was always 'Church of England"
All this talk of Protestant Catholic, Roman Catholic etc is what made
me remember this fact. Unlike in the USA where everyone refers to
themselves as Episcopalians, the Anglicans here belonged to the Church
of England (in Canada), which is just a continuation of what our
ancestors called themselves in England.
So when you here someone talking about Roman or Anglican...are they
Catholic or not. After the schism, they were what they were before the
schism - member of the Church of England, but without the allegiance to
the Pope.
Were they Catholics? YES. Catholics of the Church of England. With the
Defender of the Faith as governor.
They were not protesting anything about the doctrines. However the
Reformation did effect introspection in the Chruch of England. And as
the Bishops who were filled with the Holy Spirit, decided to modify
certain aspects of the English Church they did so with full Apostolic
Authority, in getting back to basics. Some of the changes have been the
source of statements by the Church in Rome about Anglican orders and the
validity of the Holy Sacrament.........(now that's derogatory)
Things like selling indulgences, novenas, relics etc. were considered to
be Roman or Popish, and depending upon the character of the individual
could have been derogatory as some have suggested or merely to
distinguish between the major branch of the Church and the English
schismatic Church.
JCarew
"Michael James" wrote in message
>snip<
>All this talk of Protestant Catholic, Roman Catholic
>etc is what made me remember this fact. Unlike in the
>USA where everyone refers to themselves as Episcopalians,
>the Anglicans here belonged to the Church of England
>(in Canada), which is just a continuation of what our
>ancestors called themselves in England.
My family immigrated to the US from England in the
1910's my father was baptized in the Church of England
in Yoville(sp) England. They settled in Southern California
in the 1920's. We went to, and I was baptized in the Protestant
Episcopal Cathedral(as it was called then) in downtown
Los Angeles. When we moved to the San Gabriel Valley(just
out side LA) I went to a Protestant Episcopal Church until
I became a Catholic
Jim Carew sfo
Michael James
Did your parents refer to the High church and the Low Church?
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JCarew
"Michael James" wrote
> JCarew wrote:
>> "Michael James" wrote in message
>>>snip<
>>>All this talk of Protestant Catholic, Roman Catholic
>>>etc is what made me remember this fact. Unlike in the
>>>USA where everyone refers to themselves as Episcopalians,
>>>the Anglicans here belonged to the Church of England
>>>(in Canada), which is just a continuation of what our
>>>ancestors called themselves in England.
>>My family immigrated to the US from England in the
>>1910's my father was baptized in the Church of England
>>in Yoville(sp) England. They settled in Southern California
>>in the 1920's. We went to, and I was baptized in the Protestant
>>Episcopal Cathedral(as it was called then) in downtown
>>Los Angeles. When we moved to the San Gabriel Valley(just
>>out side LA) I went to a Protestant Episcopal Church until
>>I became a Catholic
>Did your parents refer to the High church and the
>Low Church?
To be honest about it I can't say in as much I was to
young to remember what they referred to the cathedral
as, and the church in San Gabriel was more like a
little wooden chapel in as much it could only hold
about 50 people at most and had know resident preacher
(he came from LA on Sundays). I guess you could call
it a mission chapel. The area was and is predominately
Catholic(the parish church is one of the California
Missions) so there were very few Protestant Episcopalians.
Last time I saw it was covered by a freeway
Hope that helps
Jim Carew sfo
Michael James
Where I live 90 % are Roman Catholic.
My mother as well.
IIn the diocese there were Low churches with simple vestments and
liturgy, Anglican Chant etc. and High church with Gregorian chant,
Decorated vestments and Eucharist every Sunday ( and some in between).
In the past thirty years many parishes have closed, including the ones I
attented in my youth.
JCarew
"Michael James" wrote
> JCarew wrote:
> >>>>snip<
> Where I live 90 % are Roman Catholic.
> My mother as well.
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>IIn the diocese there were Low churches with simple
>vestments and liturgy, Anglican Chant etc. and High
>church with Gregorian chant, Decorated vestments
>and Eucharist every Sunday ( and some in between).
>In the past thirty years many parishes have closed,
>including the ones I attented in my youth.
The Protestant Episcopal church/chapel I attended
in the 30's put more emphasis on the Protestant than
on the Episcopal. What your talking about would
have been to "Catholic" in those days. In fact they
were to anti-Catholic for me, especially after I got
old enough to do a little comparing on my own.
Jim Carew sfo
Robert Coates
"Michael James" <cad...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
news:4262BA08...@videotron.ca...
> http://home.cogeco.ca/~alhayes/anglicancanada/anglhist4.htm
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> A nice site only a page long, but covers the evolution of Anglicansim in
> Canada
>
> Up unitl 1955 it was "the Church of England IN Canada" afterwards known
> as the Anglican Church Canada.
>
> My father never used the word Anglican....he was always 'Church of
England"
>
> All this talk of Protestant Catholic, Roman Catholic etc is what made
> me remember this fact. Unlike in the USA where everyone refers to
> themselves as Episcopalians, the Anglicans here belonged to the Church
> of England (in Canada), which is just a continuation of what our
> ancestors called themselves in England.
Thank you for posting this. I always enjoy learning something new. The
history of the Church in the US is very different. After the revolution all
the bishops were sent back to England. Without government support, the
church diminished drastically. Several faithful people decided to start the
church anew which necessitated new bishops. Our first bishop, Samuel
Seabury, was consecrated in Scotland, as the church there was not
established and there was no oath of loyalty to the King in the Rite of
Consecration.
I think it important for Americans and Canadians to both realize that
although our countries are very similar in many respects, we also have
important differences which we need to acknowledge and respect.
> So when you here someone talking about Roman or Anglican...are they
> Catholic or not. After the schism, they were what they were before the
> schism - member of the Church of England, but without the allegiance to
> the Pope.
>
> Were they Catholics? YES. Catholics of the Church of England. With the
> Defender of the Faith as governor.
>
> They were not protesting anything about the doctrines. However the
> Reformation did effect introspection in the Church of England. And as
> the Bishops who were filled with the Holy Spirit decided to modify
> certain aspects of the English Church, they did so with full Apostolic
> Authority, in getting back to basics. Some of the changes have been the
> source of statements by the Church in Rome about Anglican orders and the
> validity of the Holy Sacrament.........(now that's derogatory)
The Church in England had long had its own rites long established in the
isolation that an island provides long before Rome attempted to regularize
them throughout the world.
> Things like selling indulgences, novenas, relics etc. were considered to
> be Roman or Popish, and depending upon the character of the individual
> could have been derogatory as some have suggested or merely to
> distinguish between the major branch of the Church and the English
> schismatic Church.
The foundation of the Church of England was about much more than property
issues or Henry VIII's divorce, as has often been alleged.
Michael James
One day I came across the life story of St. Cuthbert. He was a really
amazing person.
It lead me to inquire further into the ancient Briton Church. That
celtic spirit just won't go away.
So many individualists, just can't take central authority :)
Maybe this was injected into the Episcopal church through the Scottish
Bishops.
As for Henry the 8th, I;ve always thought it was not a good thing that
he set himself up as governor of the church and dismantled the monasteries.
(1) Jesus is Head of the Church
(2) the monasteries were places where people could go to dedicate their
lives to God.
Dissing the Pope is another thing.....in the past they interfered too
much in politics, but that's a long story.
Also in the past few months I have discovered that there were kings
emperors and princes who could have a vote in the papal election....so
princely interference in the church is not just an anglican thing.
And from other posts (Andreas Hofeld) even the Lutherans had princes in
authority.
Well that was the good old days, but it fills in a lot of blanks that
arent generally known , and comfirms what you said about
henry's divorce.
Dave Heil
> My family immigrated to the US from England in the
> 1910's my father was baptized in the Church of England
> in Yoville(sp) England.
Yeoville, Somerset
Dave Heil