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nickk - not the imposter
Jun 11, 2013, 1:41:19 PM6/11/13
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Russian lawmakers pass anti-gay bill in 436-0 vote
By NATALIYA VASILYEVA and MANSUR MIROVALEV Associated Press
Posted: 06/11/2013 03:51:57 AM CDT
MOSCOW—A bill that stigmatizes gay people and bans giving children any information about homosexuality won overwhelming approval Tuesday in Russia's lower house of parliament.
Hours before the State Duma passed the Kremlin-backed law in a 436-0 vote with one abstention, more than two dozen protesters were attacked by hundreds of anti-gay activists and then detained by police.
The bill banning the "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations" still needs to be passed by the appointed upper house and signed into law by President Vladimir Putin, but neither step is in doubt.
The measure is part of an effort to promote traditional Russian values instead of Western liberalism, which the Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox Church see as corrupting Russian youth and contributing to the protests against Putin's rule.
The only parliament member to abstain Tuesday was Ilya Ponomaryov, who has supported anti-Putin protesters despite belonging to a pro-Kremlin party.
A widespread hostility to homosexuality is shared by much of Russia's political and religious elite. Lawmakers have accused gays of decreasing Russia's already low birth rates and said they should be barred from government jobs, undergo forced medical treatment or be exiled.
The State Duma passed another bill on Tuesday that makes offending religious feelings a crime punishable by up to three years in prison. The bill, which passed 308-2, was introduced last year after three members
of the Pussy Riot punk group were convicted of "hooliganism motivated by religious hatred" for an impromptu anti-Putin protest inside Moscow's main cathedral and given two-year sentences.
Before the anti-gay vote, rights activists attempted to hold a "kissing rally" outside the State Duma, located across the street from Red Square in central Moscow, but they were attacked by hundreds of Orthodox Christian activists and members of pro-Kremlin youth groups. The mostly burly young men with
Police officers watch gay rights activists kiss near the State Duma, Russia's lower parliament chamber, in Moscow, Russia, Tuesday, June 11, 2013. Protesters attempted to rally outside the Russian State Duma before what is expected to be a final vote on the bill banning "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations." More than two dozen activists were detained in Moscow on Tuesday as they were protesting a bill that stigmatizes the gay community and bans the giving of information about homosexuality to children. ((AP Photo/Ivan Sekretarev))
closely cropped hair pelted the activists with eggs, shouting obscenities and homophobic slurs at them.
Riot police moved in, detaining more than two dozen protesters, almost all of them gay rights activists. Some who were not detained were beaten by masked men on another central street.
The legislation will impose hefty fines for providing information about the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community to minors or holding gay pride rallies. Those breaking the law will be fined up to 5,000 rubles ($156) for an individual and up to 1 million rubles ($31,000) for a company, including media organizations.
Foreign citizens arrested under the new law can be deported or jailed for up to 15 days and then deported.
Police officers detain gay rights activists as they gathered near the State Duma, Russia's lower parliament chamber, in Moscow, Russia, Tuesday, June 11, 2013. Protesters attempted to rally outside the Russian State Duma before what is expected to be a final vote on the bill banning "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations." More than two dozen activists were detained in Moscow on Tuesday as they were protesting a bill that stigmatizes the gay community and bans the giving of information about homosexuality to children. ((AP Photo/Ivan Sekretarev))
European gay rights activists have joined Russians in trying to hold gay pride rallies in Moscow in recent years.
Russia decriminalized homosexuality in 1993, but anti-gay sentiment remains high. Russia also is considering banning citizens of countries that allow same-sex marriage from adopting Russian children.
Earlier Tuesday, dozens of anti-gay activists picketed the Duma. One of them held a poster that read: "Lawmakers, protect the people from perverts!" while others held Orthodox icons and chanted prayers.
Russian and foreign rights activists have decried the bill as violating basic rights.
"Russia is trying very hard to make discrimination look respectable by calling it 'tradition,' but whatever term is used
A gay rights activist holds a rainbow banner near the State Duma, Russia's lower parliament chamber, in Moscow, Russia, Tuesday, June 11, 2013. Protesters attempted to rally outside the Russian State Duma before what is expected to be a final vote on the bill banning "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations." More than two dozen activists were detained in Moscow on Tuesday as they were protesting a bill that stigmatizes the gay community and bans the giving of information about homosexuality to children. ((AP Photo/Ivan Sekretarev))
in the bill, it remains discrimination and a violation of the basic human rights of LGBT people," Graeme Reid, the LGBT rights program director at Human Rights Watch, said Tuesday in a statement.
Lyudmila Alexeyeva, one of Russia's oldest and most prominent rights activists, called the law "a step toward the Middle Ages."
"In normal countries, no one persecutes representatives of sexual minorities," Alexeyeva told the Interfax news agency. "A modern person knows that these people are different from the rest just like a brunette is different from a blonde. They are not guilty of anything."
Russian officials have rejected the criticism. Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov defended the bill in February, saying that Russia does
A police officer watches gay rights activists gather near the State Duma, Russia's lower parliament chamber, in Moscow, Russia, Tuesday, June 11, 2013. Protesters attempted to rally outside the Russian State Duma before what is expected to be a final vote on the bill banning "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations." More than two dozen activists were detained in Moscow on Tuesday as they were protesting a bill that stigmatizes the gay community and bans the giving of information about homosexuality to children. ((AP Photo/Ivan Sekretarev))
not have any international or European commitment to "allow the propaganda of homosexuality."
An executive with a Russian government-run television network said in a nationally televised talk show that gays should be prohibited from donating blood, sperm or organs for transplants, and after their deaths their hearts should be burned or buried.
The bill's adoption comes 20 years after a Stalinist-era law punishing homosexuality with up to five years in prison was removed from Russia's penal code as part of democratic reforms that followed the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union.
By NATALIYA VASILYEVA and MANSUR MIROVALEV Associated Press
Posted: 06/11/2013 03:51:57 AM CDT
MOSCOW—A bill that stigmatizes gay people and bans giving children any information about homosexuality won overwhelming approval Tuesday in Russia's lower house of parliament.
Hours before the State Duma passed the Kremlin-backed law in a 436-0 vote with one abstention, more than two dozen protesters were attacked by hundreds of anti-gay activists and then detained by police.
The bill banning the "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations" still needs to be passed by the appointed upper house and signed into law by President Vladimir Putin, but neither step is in doubt.
The measure is part of an effort to promote traditional Russian values instead of Western liberalism, which the Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox Church see as corrupting Russian youth and contributing to the protests against Putin's rule.
The only parliament member to abstain Tuesday was Ilya Ponomaryov, who has supported anti-Putin protesters despite belonging to a pro-Kremlin party.
A widespread hostility to homosexuality is shared by much of Russia's political and religious elite. Lawmakers have accused gays of decreasing Russia's already low birth rates and said they should be barred from government jobs, undergo forced medical treatment or be exiled.
The State Duma passed another bill on Tuesday that makes offending religious feelings a crime punishable by up to three years in prison. The bill, which passed 308-2, was introduced last year after three members
of the Pussy Riot punk group were convicted of "hooliganism motivated by religious hatred" for an impromptu anti-Putin protest inside Moscow's main cathedral and given two-year sentences.
Before the anti-gay vote, rights activists attempted to hold a "kissing rally" outside the State Duma, located across the street from Red Square in central Moscow, but they were attacked by hundreds of Orthodox Christian activists and members of pro-Kremlin youth groups. The mostly burly young men with
Police officers watch gay rights activists kiss near the State Duma, Russia's lower parliament chamber, in Moscow, Russia, Tuesday, June 11, 2013. Protesters attempted to rally outside the Russian State Duma before what is expected to be a final vote on the bill banning "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations." More than two dozen activists were detained in Moscow on Tuesday as they were protesting a bill that stigmatizes the gay community and bans the giving of information about homosexuality to children. ((AP Photo/Ivan Sekretarev))
closely cropped hair pelted the activists with eggs, shouting obscenities and homophobic slurs at them.
Riot police moved in, detaining more than two dozen protesters, almost all of them gay rights activists. Some who were not detained were beaten by masked men on another central street.
The legislation will impose hefty fines for providing information about the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community to minors or holding gay pride rallies. Those breaking the law will be fined up to 5,000 rubles ($156) for an individual and up to 1 million rubles ($31,000) for a company, including media organizations.
Foreign citizens arrested under the new law can be deported or jailed for up to 15 days and then deported.
Police officers detain gay rights activists as they gathered near the State Duma, Russia's lower parliament chamber, in Moscow, Russia, Tuesday, June 11, 2013. Protesters attempted to rally outside the Russian State Duma before what is expected to be a final vote on the bill banning "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations." More than two dozen activists were detained in Moscow on Tuesday as they were protesting a bill that stigmatizes the gay community and bans the giving of information about homosexuality to children. ((AP Photo/Ivan Sekretarev))
European gay rights activists have joined Russians in trying to hold gay pride rallies in Moscow in recent years.
Russia decriminalized homosexuality in 1993, but anti-gay sentiment remains high. Russia also is considering banning citizens of countries that allow same-sex marriage from adopting Russian children.
Earlier Tuesday, dozens of anti-gay activists picketed the Duma. One of them held a poster that read: "Lawmakers, protect the people from perverts!" while others held Orthodox icons and chanted prayers.
Russian and foreign rights activists have decried the bill as violating basic rights.
"Russia is trying very hard to make discrimination look respectable by calling it 'tradition,' but whatever term is used
A gay rights activist holds a rainbow banner near the State Duma, Russia's lower parliament chamber, in Moscow, Russia, Tuesday, June 11, 2013. Protesters attempted to rally outside the Russian State Duma before what is expected to be a final vote on the bill banning "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations." More than two dozen activists were detained in Moscow on Tuesday as they were protesting a bill that stigmatizes the gay community and bans the giving of information about homosexuality to children. ((AP Photo/Ivan Sekretarev))
in the bill, it remains discrimination and a violation of the basic human rights of LGBT people," Graeme Reid, the LGBT rights program director at Human Rights Watch, said Tuesday in a statement.
Lyudmila Alexeyeva, one of Russia's oldest and most prominent rights activists, called the law "a step toward the Middle Ages."
"In normal countries, no one persecutes representatives of sexual minorities," Alexeyeva told the Interfax news agency. "A modern person knows that these people are different from the rest just like a brunette is different from a blonde. They are not guilty of anything."
Russian officials have rejected the criticism. Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov defended the bill in February, saying that Russia does
A police officer watches gay rights activists gather near the State Duma, Russia's lower parliament chamber, in Moscow, Russia, Tuesday, June 11, 2013. Protesters attempted to rally outside the Russian State Duma before what is expected to be a final vote on the bill banning "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations." More than two dozen activists were detained in Moscow on Tuesday as they were protesting a bill that stigmatizes the gay community and bans the giving of information about homosexuality to children. ((AP Photo/Ivan Sekretarev))
not have any international or European commitment to "allow the propaganda of homosexuality."
An executive with a Russian government-run television network said in a nationally televised talk show that gays should be prohibited from donating blood, sperm or organs for transplants, and after their deaths their hearts should be burned or buried.
The bill's adoption comes 20 years after a Stalinist-era law punishing homosexuality with up to five years in prison was removed from Russia's penal code as part of democratic reforms that followed the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union.
RVG
Jun 11, 2013, 6:00:19 PM6/11/13
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Le 11/06/2013 19:41, nickk - not the imposter a écrit :
> Russian lawmakers pass anti-gay bill in 436-0 vote
>
Fifty years ago they also passed a bill to remove the word
> Russian lawmakers pass anti-gay bill in 436-0 vote
>
"unemployment" from the dictionary, because it was an unacceptable
impossibility in Holy Soviet Russia, just a by-product of bourgeois
liberal capitalism.
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RVG
Jun 11, 2013, 6:06:32 PM6/11/13
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Le 12/06/2013 00:00, RVG a écrit :
> Le 11/06/2013 19:41, nickk - not the imposter a écrit :
>> Russian lawmakers pass anti-gay bill in 436-0 vote
>>
>
> Fifty years ago they also passed a bill to remove the word
> "unemployment" from the dictionary, because it was an unacceptable
> impossibility in Holy Soviet Russia, just a by-product of bourgeois
> liberal capitalism.
>
Funny thing is that in that self-proclaimed hyper-viril, hyper-normal
> Le 11/06/2013 19:41, nickk - not the imposter a écrit :
>> Russian lawmakers pass anti-gay bill in 436-0 vote
>>
>
> Fifty years ago they also passed a bill to remove the word
> "unemployment" from the dictionary, because it was an unacceptable
> impossibility in Holy Soviet Russia, just a by-product of bourgeois
> liberal capitalism.
>
country that is Holy Orthodox Soviet Russia, birthrate is one of the
lowest in the world and the president is a worldwide gay icon. :)
nickk - not the imposter
Jun 11, 2013, 7:45:56 PM6/11/13
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The CORRUPTION within the Russian govt & CHURCH is beyond belief. They put on a good facade, but they are corrupt as the day is long!
RVG
Jun 11, 2013, 8:32:16 PM6/11/13
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Le 12/06/2013 01:45, nickk - not the imposter a écrit :
> The CORRUPTION within the Russian govt & CHURCH is beyond belief.
> They put on a good facade, but they are corrupt as the day is long!
>
Everything is rotten beyond corruption in Holy Russia 2.0.
> The CORRUPTION within the Russian govt & CHURCH is beyond belief.
> They put on a good facade, but they are corrupt as the day is long!
>
http://youtu.be/SNEuvELQd5Q
If you wonder why so many motorists have a dash cam in their car, read here:
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-russian-drivers-have-dash-cams-2012-12
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Jun 15, 2013, 12:54:10 PM6/15/13
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On Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:06:32 PM UTC-4, RVG wrote:
>
> Funny thing is that in that self-proclaimed hyper-viril, hyper-normal
>
> country that is Holy Orthodox Soviet Russia, birthrate is one of the
>
> lowest in the world and the president is a worldwide gay icon. :)
Abortion rate is one of the highest in the world. I've posted those statistics from time to time.
>
> Funny thing is that in that self-proclaimed hyper-viril, hyper-normal
>
> country that is Holy Orthodox Soviet Russia, birthrate is one of the
>
> lowest in the world and the president is a worldwide gay icon. :)
The Church has, thankfully, an anti-abortion campaign.
As for homosexuals or anyone else making a pop icon out of a person, that is not usually the fault of the person so lionized. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
ex. Consider Hollywood movie stars that heartthrobs of millions of women who didn't know they were gay.
RVG
Jun 16, 2013, 1:34:52 AM6/16/13
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Le 15/06/2013 18:54, ++ a écrit :
> On Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:06:32 PM UTC-4, RVG wrote:
>>
>> Funny thing is that in that self-proclaimed hyper-viril,
>> hyper-normal
>>
>> country that is Holy Orthodox Soviet Russia, birthrate is one of
>> the
>>
>> lowest in the world and the president is a worldwide gay icon. :)
>
> Abortion rate is one of the highest in the world. I've posted those
> statistics from time to time.
>
> The Church has, thankfully, an anti-abortion campaign.
>
And the Russian women are swarming to the West.
> On Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:06:32 PM UTC-4, RVG wrote:
>>
>> Funny thing is that in that self-proclaimed hyper-viril,
>> hyper-normal
>>
>> country that is Holy Orthodox Soviet Russia, birthrate is one of
>> the
>>
>> lowest in the world and the president is a worldwide gay icon. :)
>
> Abortion rate is one of the highest in the world. I've posted those
> statistics from time to time.
>
> The Church has, thankfully, an anti-abortion campaign.
>
> As for homosexuals or anyone else making a pop icon out of a person,
> that is not usually the fault of the person so lionized. Beauty is
> in the eye of the beholder.
>
Winnie the Pooh perhaps, but not a sailor's fantasy boy.
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