Article On Pending Schizm In GOA ( In Greek )
astron
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" I'll go on living and keep on forgiving because... you were my first
love "
Frankie Valli
astron
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> Read More : http://www.kalami.net/arthra/ekklhsia_usa.html
>
I wonder which parishes will elect not to join OCA ( as it seems is
OCL's objective ) ?
Nomatter what happens , GOA will be smaller but better , and more
committed when these OCL-types are gone .
No doubt the division of properties will reach the US Supreme Court and
following the precedent in the 1970's of the OCA vs MP case could have
important repercussions for the Roman Catholic Church in case some
members in that Church decide to form an "American " Catholic Church
with " American Values " .
The quicker this partition of GOA ( and the simultaneous explusion..or
better still excommunication of all OCL members ) happens , the sooner
loyalists can practice Greek Orthodoxy in America and the rogues can
practice American Orthodoxy in the OCA .
Amen !
Marina
Greek on a COMPUTER in America, and the document is on a bashed out old
typewriter. It's a scandal!
"astron" <ast...@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message
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Dana Netherton
(astron) said ...
> Read More : http://www.kalami.net/arthra/ekklhsia_usa.html
*Really* useful for us American converts to the GOA, who
don't read Greek. :-\
Well, if it says anything I need to know, no doubt someone
will explain it to me ...
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I'm Eastern Orthodox.
nick cobb
second class citizen.
astron
Really ? I suppose I should consider you a Russian agent ? :)
That's your logic .
We are open to *all* races , cultures , languages , sexes etc.
We are however, a conservative Church .
astron
Dana ,
Sorry for my oversight . It was not intentional . I will
translate the whole article ( minus the satirical jokes ; as this is a
Greek-American website and puts a satirical political spin on things ) .
Dana Netherton
> Dana Netherton wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:32:22 +1000, ast...@bigpond.com.au
> > (astron) said ...
> > > Read More : http://www.kalami.net/arthra/ekklhsia_usa.html
> >
> > *Really* useful for us American converts to the GOA, who
> > don't read Greek. :-\
> >
> > Well, if it says anything I need to know, no doubt someone
> > will explain it to me ...
> Dana ,
>
> Sorry for my oversight . It was not intentional . I will
> translate the whole article ( minus the satirical jokes ; as this is a
> Greek-American website and puts a satirical political spin on things ) .
Thanks. :-)
Dana Netherton
Before approaching a parish, in the summer of 2000, I
checked with an OCA contact and a GOA contact about the
parishes in my area. (There are no Antiochian parishes in
my area.)
The feedback I got was that the local OCA parish is ... not
healthy. It has some *serious* "ethnic-only" issues; in
response, later-generation members are peeling off to join
other parishes, including my GOA parish. The OCA parish has
no permanent priest; it is supplied by "priests of the
deanery", or some such phrase.
Meanwhile, the priest at my GOA parish is tradition-minded,
and is trying his best to help everyone -- Greeks and non-
Greeks -- to live as good Orthodox Christians. And there
are people in the parish who are responding to him.
So I went there. I got a warm welcome immediately, and have
continued to be welcomed warmly since. I have been welcomed
in the choir (one of the long-time Greek choir ladies
touched my shoulder as she left after the Liturgy, and
said, "You have a beautiful voice"), and I am learning
Byzantine chant from some remarkably generous and warm-
hearted psaltes.
Bottom line: Second-class, second-schmlass. My "class" as a
citizen doesn't matter. I'm just glad they let me in.
-- Dana
On 31 Jul 2002 02:21:27 GMT, ni...@cris.com (nick cobb) said
...
Alexander Arnakis
wrote:
>What is even more terrible is that you don't know how to write polytonic
>Greek on a COMPUTER in America, and the document is on a bashed out old
>typewriter. It's a scandal!
>
How do you know for sure that it wasn't a "typewriter" font on a
computer? There are fonts that perfectly emulate the output of old
typewriters -- what better way to make the document seem properly
"ecclesiastic"?
nick cobb
Who are you kidding?
Marina
"Alexander Arnakis" <alexande...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Nope .... it is toooo inconsistent and typewritery and the photographic
image gives it away ... besides those fonts don't exist for POLYTONIC Greek.
The choice is limited, but it is there ... no, that old typewriter is of
grave concern!
Photios_Michael
news:MPG.17b103885...@netnews.worldnet.att.net:
> On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:32:22 +1000, ast...@bigpond.com.au
> (astron) said ...
>> Read More : http://www.kalami.net/arthra/ekklhsia_usa.html
>
> *Really* useful for us American converts to the GOA, who
> don't read Greek. :-\
>
> Well, if it says anything I need to know, no doubt someone
> will explain it to me ...
>
Didn't you know that to be an Orthodox Christian you must be Greek?!? ;-)
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Eschew obfuscation
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see;
http://www.michael-bishop.com/Phyletism.htm
and
http://www.roea.org/0008/ho00002.html
and
http://www.divineascent.org/html/editorial34.html
And from Archbishop of Athens and All of Greece Christodoulos, "The Synod
with a sense of responsibilty condemns phyletism as being a phenomenon
foreign to the spirit of Orthodoxy. The Synod’s decree states, among other
things, that: "We denounce, condemn and censure phyletism, i.e. racial
distinctions, national controversies, jealousies and discords within the
Church of Christ, as being contrary to the teaching of the Gospel and the
sacred Canons of our blessed Fathers, who ‘defended the Church and adorn
the entire Christian way of life and lead us to divine piety' ""
Read the whole thing at;
http://www.ecclesia.gr/Archbishop/arxeio/speeches_jubilee/synorth2.html
BTW: I am in the GOA, in good standing, and I love my Church. I
disapprove of the liberalizers, but phyletism must also be condemned.
astron
I translated the whole article into english for non-Greek speakers .
See the post below .
vj...@biostrategist.com
show how poor their ability to interpret theological documents
is). The synod decree a century and a quarter ago condemend
"phyletikas parasynangogas".. but there is a Serbian cathedral in
Thessaloniki.. there is a Russian Cathedral in Belgrade (Serbs who
wake up too late to attend the Serbian cathedral go there because the
Russian service is later).. in fact, the Bulgarian Cathedral in
Constantinople over which the Synodal Decree was issued still exists
and functions! so.. tell me..
In fact the OCA has "metohion" parishes in Russia granted to it by the
Moscow Patriarchate.. I argue that Greek ghetto parishes (eg
Arsedooria) should be "metohion" to the Church of Greece..
I don't know about this but I'm inclined to guess the difference
between "metohion" and so-called "phyletism" is the approval of the
"jurisdicting" (?!) church..
*+-> And from Archbishop of Athens and All of Greece Christodoulos, "The Synod
*+-> with a sense of responsibilty condemns phyletism as being a phenomenon
*+-> foreign to the spirit of Orthodoxy. The Synod’s decree states, among other
*+-> things, that: "We denounce, condemn and censure phyletism, i.e. racial
*+-> distinctions, national controversies, jealousies and discords within the
*+-> Church of Christ, as being contrary to the teaching of the Gospel and the
*+-> sacred Canons of our blessed Fathers, who ‘defended the Church and adorn
*+-> the entire Christian way of life and lead us to divine piety' ""
*+->
*+-> BTW: I am in the GOA, in good standing, and I love my Church. I
*+-> disapprove of the liberalizers, but phyletism must also be condemned.
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I decided to look at what kind of education Greek journalists receive.
I found a web page media.uoa.gr and I attach the contacts.
The set up I'm using right now prevents me from accessing
Greek fonts or java, so I haven't looked further, but shall eventually.
But I think it a worthy issue to bring up with the faculty:
How they allow such people to call themselves journalists?
(And no, the synonymy below is no relation.. my surname is the most
common in Greece, something like one million folks.. many took the
surname in the 1850s for religious reasons.. as did my ancestors who
were Panaetoloyanis before that..)
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