New Ukrainian Catholic Cathedral to be built in Kiev
T254
Evgenia Mussuri, Kyiv Post Staff
After four years of negotiations with city authorities, the Ukrainian Greek
Catholic community has been granted a 1.7-hectare plot of land on Kyiv’s Left
Bank for the construction of a new cathedral.
Lubomyr Huzar, the leader of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, said during
the
consecration of the site May 13 that the church should have a base in the
center of the country.
Currently, the nation’s central Greek Catholic Church is in Lviv, one of two
cities that will host Pope John Paul II in late June. The other is Kyiv.
Church officials estimate that Ukraine has 5 million Greek Catholic believers
who attend some 3,700 churches, mostly in western Ukraine. There are an
estimated 5,000 Greek Catholic believers in Kyiv. They have no cathedral and
only three places of worship, which can accommodate only several hundred
people, according to Irina Fedak, spokeswoman for the Ukrainian Greek Catholic
Church.
"There is currently not enough room here for all the believers," she said. "In
the summer it is possible to stand outside the church during the service, but
in winter it is almost unbearable."
Fedak said a lack of places to worship has been preventing many Catholics from
attending church. "Our people are used to spacious churches," she said.
The new cathedral will accommodate up to 1,500 people. It will be erected in
the Dnipro district on the Left Bank at Mykolsko-Slobidska.
The project’s principal architect is Mykola Levchuk, who was selected after
his design proposal took first place in a CIS-based international contest of
construction projects in 2000.
The cathedral will take two years to complete. The finished building will stand
61 meters tall at the tip of the cross, making it one of the capital’s
tallest churches. From a distance, however, the church won’t appear to be
significantlytaller than the smattering of ornate churches across the river,
Fedak said.
"It will not look higher than the churches on the Right Bank of Dnipro," Fedak
said. "Because the Left Bank is much lower than the Right."
Further information on the new Uniate Cathedral to be built in Kiev -
Site of Ukrainian Greek-Catholic cathedral in Kyiv is consecrated
by Roman Woronowycz
Kyiv Press Bureau
KYIV - Cardinal Lubomyr Husar said on May 13 that the headquarters and
spiritual center of the Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Church that he was recently
elected to lead would soon move from Lviv to Kyiv. The new archbishop major of
5 million Catholic faithful made his remarks prior to consecrating the
grounds of the future site of the Church's first cathedral in Kyiv.
Comments:
Isn't it interesting that in the center of Orthodoxy in eastern Ukraine (Kiev)
permission is given to build a Uniate Cathedral. While in the center of
Uniatism in western Ukraine (Livov) threats are being made to tear down one of
the only two existing Orthodox Churches under the automonous Ukrainian
Orthodox Church. And premits to build a new church to take in the crowds of
Orthodox forced to stand outside the existing Churches are refused. (Note the
first article alludes to the same problem for the Uniates in Kiev)
However, the issue is addressed by the Orthodox in Kiev but not the Uniates in
Livov.
Isn't it also interesting that once this Cathedral is built the headquarters of
the Ukrainian Uniate Churchs plans to move to Kiev where only a minority of
Uniates reside.
There is much foreboding in what Cardinal Husar plans to do. I have an inkling
that he will soon stop using the title of "Archbishop Major of Lviv" after
moving his UGCC headquarters from Lviv to Kiev and begin to insist on being
called "Patriarch of Kiev and All Ukraine."
Bob
robert G Tallick
Cunneen
(Kiev)
permission is given to build a Uniate Cathedral. While in the center of
Uniatism in western Ukraine (Livov) threats are being made to tear down one of
the only two existing Orthodox Churches under the automonous Ukrainian
Orthodox Church. And premits to build a new church to take in the crowds of
Orthodox forced to stand outside the existing Churches are refused. (Note the
first article alludes to the same problem for the Uniates in Kiev)
However, the issue is addressed by the Orthodox in Kiev but not the Uniates in
Livov.>>
Robert, you leave out some important facts.
There are plenty of Orthodox churches, some very large ones, in the west. BUT
the are not part of the MOSCOW church, but instead the other two Ukrainian
Orthodox churches. The implication in your writing is that there are only two
players, the Russian Orthodox and the Greek Catholics. The Ukrainian Orthodox
are the missing element. www.orthodox.ua gives statistics that indicate church
breakdowns by region. In the Lviv region, there are 60 MP churches, 356 KP and
350 AOC. There are also 1413 GC and 118 RC. The total number of Orthodox
churches is therefore a little less than 1/2 the Catholic churches.
The total number of MP churches in all of the Ukraine is 7911, KP 2178, AOC
1022, GC 3198, and RC 751.
It should also be noted, for those who think that Ukrainians are either
Orthodox or Catholic, that there are 1740 Baptist churches, 874 Evangelical,
657 Adventist, and seven other denominations with over 100 churches. Ukraine
is a very pluralistic country these days.
Given that 40% of the Ukrainians claim to be atheists, it seems that they
appear to still be the biggest "religion."
T254
>There are plenty of Orthodox churches, some very large ones, in the west.
> BUT
>the are not part of the MOSCOW church, but instead the other two Ukrainian
>Orthodox churches.
And you fail to see my point. The vast majority of Orthodox in the Ukraine
still belong to the canonical autonomous Ukrainian Orthodox Church. In
western Ukraine you have to belong to one of the two schismatic non-canonical
Orthodox Churches for the government to allow you to build a Church.
That's like the Italians only giving permission to the SSPX's or Alpine
Redemptorists to build new churches in Italy while refusing the Roman Catholic
Church of the Vatican.
>The implication in your writing is that there are only two
>players, the Russian Orthodox and the Greek Catholics.
No, the implication is that there are only two canonical players. The other
two are schismatics which are not recognized by any Orthodox autocephalous or
automonous church in the world. They are self proclaimed churches. And, as
such should not be recognized by the Vatican as canonical using the same
criteria it uses to label the SSPX's and Redemptorists as schismatic.
robert G Tallick
arch...@erols.com
> n the Lviv region, there are 60 MP churches, 356 KP and
> > 350 AOC. There are also 1413 GC and 118 RC.
he total number of MP churches in all of the Ukraine is 7911, KP 2178,
AOC
> 1022, GC 3198, and RC 751.
??????
JOH...@webtv.net
forced the dissident Ukrainian Orthodox into the Russian church is
upsetting to the supporters, of Russian hegemony,in this NG. I know they
support the use of the state to force people to belong to a particular
church.Though I dubt they will admit it.
Cunneen
Sorry. MP is Moscow Patriarchate. KP is Kievan Patriarchate, the breakaway
group under Filaret. AOC is the other Orthodox group, the Autonomous Orthodox
Church, that seems to have links to the Carpatho-Russians of Johnstown, PA in
this country, and through them to the Ecumenical Patriarch (EP).
GC is Greek Catholic, those Byzantine Ukrainians who are in communion with
Rome. RC are Roman-rite Catholics.
Serge
have links to the Carpatho-Russians of Johnstown, PA in this country, and
through them to the Ecumenical Patriarch (EP).
I think their ties might be to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of South Bound
Brook, NJ, which like Johnstown is under the EP. The Johnstown
Carpatho-Russians aren't Ukrainian nationalists - they don't identify
themselves as Ukrainian - so direct ties to them seem unlikely.
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Evan Kalenik
"Serge" <rusna...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
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I think they may have had them but part of the agreement with South Bound
Brook was that they have no jurisdiction in Ukraine. In fact it was when
South Bound Brook placed herself under the EP that there were breaks from
South Bound Brook here in the States that aligned themselves with some of
the parishes in Ukraine that used to be part of the earlier patriarch of
Kiev from South Bound Brook.
Evan
skyr...@earthlink.net
consecrated upon canonical authority 1930's and in the 1942. Most of them
came to the USA in the late 40's and founded canonical jurisdictions. The
South boundbrook group which went under the EP a few years ago actually
separated from the rest of the Ukrainian Church and as such are often
referred to as "Greek bishops" by the rest of the Ukrainian Church. The
South Boundbrook group is losing churches as they return to the original
church of 1942 which is the corner stone of the 1917 Church and the focus of
Ukrainian Unity.
These 1942 bishops were all SCOBA members until they realized that SCOBA was
not a canonical group. And it is not! So who made these Ukrainian Bishops
non-canonical? I think some people should familiarize themselves with the
real history of our Church. Our Bishops and priest are of Ukrainian Blood.
Most have living relatives in the old country. We have not changed, but the
tables of ecclesiastical seem to be turning
Evan Kalenik
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> The Autocephalous Church has an unbroken linage of Bishops who were
> consecrated upon canonical authority 1930's and in the 1942.
The problem, of course, is the "unbroken lineage" line. Using the hand of a
dead bishop to consecrate new bishops is at best irregular. (And one should
note that that process is not denied by South Bound Brook for use in the
future).
> Most of them
> came to the USA in the late 40's and founded canonical jurisdictions.
Again, "canonical" by whose standards?
> The
> South boundbrook group which went under the EP a few years ago actually
> separated from the rest of the Ukrainian Church and as such are often
> referred to as "Greek bishops" by the rest of the Ukrainian Church.
It was a recognition of reality and order. The Church in Ukraine is
administered by the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church. The Ukrainian
Church in the US/Canada could only represent itself locally.
> The
> South Boundbrook group is losing churches as they return to the original
> church of 1942 which is the corner stone of the 1917 Church and the focus
of
> Ukrainian Unity.
Or in other words putting one's nationalism first. Christ and all that
other "stuff" comes second or third or fourth.
> These 1942 bishops were all SCOBA members until they realized that SCOBA
was
> not a canonical group. And it is not! So who made these Ukrainian
Bishops
> non-canonical?
All what "1942 bishops" were all SCOBA? As for what or who "made these
Ukrainian Bishops non-canonical" one would have to suggest that they did.
Not that there wasn't efforts to correct things. When South Bound Brook
went under the Patriarch of Constantinople at least it made things regular.
No longer were the discussions about if some bishop from South Bound Brook
had gone to Constantinople and had been correctly consecrated a bishop and
what about those priests whom he had ordained before, etc. It cleaned up a
mess that had been created in a most Christian like manner.
> I think some people should familiarize themselves with the
> real history of our Church.
I think that you should familiarize yourself first with the real history of
your Church.
> Our Bishops and priest are of Ukrainian Blood.
So what. What was the blood of the first bishop of Kiev? Or the second.
Or the third.
> Most have living relatives in the old country.
So do I. So what.
> We have not changed, but the
> tables of ecclesiastical seem to be turning
If you can tell me how many other jurisdictions or local churches out there
have a lineage that comes through a dead bishop consecrating other bishops
you may have a point. If you can't, then you don't.
Evan
nick cobb
skyr...@earthlink.net wrote:
> ...These 1942 bishops were all SCOBA members until they realized that SCOBA