LAMONT WINS!!!!!
nick cobb
Has the De-Liebermanization of the Democratic Party Begun?
by John Zogby
Connecticut Democrats will go to the polls on Tuesday and the choice
will be a defining moment for both the Democratic Party and the nation.
While I will stop short of a precise prediction, let me suggest that
polling evidence shows that Senator Joseph Lieberman will lose the
Senate primary to businessman Ned Lamont by a substantial margin.
Enough of a margin, in fact, to convince his Senate colleagues and
friends that he should forego a promised independent run and bow out
gracefully. We already see good friends like New Jersey's Frank
Lautenberg suggesting that Lieberman will have to drop out and the
pressure will build.
At the same time, we have seen Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton begin the
process of pulling away from her aggressive pro-war stance in last
week's compelling confrontation with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
Referring to the Bush administration's policy in Iraq as a "failure" was
a big change for Hillary who has been booed in recent months by fellow
Democrats for her support for the President.
I have stated on The Huffington Post several times that the Democrats
will have a tough time convincing that they are ready to take back
control of Congress without offering any clarity on the Iraq War.
Lieberman has been patently clear on Iraq but way out of the mainstream
of his party's own voters. Clinton as well runs the risk of having her
landslide victory in New York tainted by a below-expectations showing
because New York liberal Democrats want her to be against the war.
Let's just look at the numbers from my most recent national poll (July
21). Overall, only 36% of likely voters told us that they agree that the
war in Iraq has been "worth the loss of American lives", while 57%
disagree. But the partisan splits are more revealing: only 16% of the
Democrats polled said the war has been worth while 82% disagree and only
26% of Independents agree the war has been worth it while 72% disagree.
On the Republican side, 64% said the war has been worth it, while 23%
disagree. The war has been the principal cause of the nation's
polarization in the past three years. The polling evidence shows the
degree to which Iraq has become a Republican war. And these latest
numbers are also noteworthy in that they show that about one in four
Republicans have now pretty much given up on the war.
All of which is to suggest that Democratic candidates will now probably
be emboldened to take a stronger stance against the war. If principle
doesn't win the day, at least the polling numbers are pretty clear what
their base wants. Indeed, the polling numbers were pretty clear what
Democrats and Independents wanted in 2004 - and the fact that they
didn't receive the opposition to the war they were looking for from
their standard-bearers is the main reason that they lost both the
Presidency and did not pick up seats in either house of Congress.
Meanwhile, look for Ned Lamont, who is running a strong antiwar
campaign, to be the new face of the Democrats in 2006 and perhaps
beyond. And look for Democratic voters to push harder for even more
clarity on where Democrats stand. Lieberman will be gone and Clinton
will be distancing herself from her previous stand. But calling an
obvious failure a failure will not be enough. The next step in offering
voters some clarity on Iraq will be to develop an exit strategy.
That is what leadership is all about and Democrats, fresh from sending
the pro-war Lieberman a clear message, will be looking very closely.
John Zogby, President and CEO of Zogby International, remains by all
accounts the hottest pollster in the United States today.
© Copyright 2006 Huffington Post
Stephen Adams
>Published on Monday, August 7, 2006 by the Huffington Post
>Has the De-Liebermanization of the Democratic Party Begun?
>by John Zogby
Uh, an article from the day BEFORE the election and you claim Lamont
wins??? Did you personally stuff the ballot boxes in advance up theire
in Connecticut???
-Stephen
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Joe Orthodox
> nick cobb <ni...@nospamsnet.net> writes:
>
>> Published on Monday, August 7, 2006 by the Huffington Post
>> Has the De-Liebermanization of the Democratic Party Begun?
>> by John Zogby
>
> Uh, an article from the day BEFORE the election and you claim Lamont
> wins??? Did you personally stuff the ballot boxes in advance up theire
> in Connecticut???
>
> -Stephen
Yeah, he might win the primary but then he'll be blown away in the
general election and the Democrats lose a seat to the independent
Lieberman. More far left, strategical stupidity.
Stephen Adams
>Stephen Adams wrote:
>> nick cobb <ni...@nospamsnet.net> writes:
>>
>>> Published on Monday, August 7, 2006 by the Huffington Post
>>> Has the De-Liebermanization of the Democratic Party Begun?
>>> by John Zogby
>>
>> Uh, an article from the day BEFORE the election and you claim Lamont
>> wins??? Did you personally stuff the ballot boxes in advance up theire
>> in Connecticut???
>
>Yeah, he might win the primary but then he'll be blown away in the
>general election
I used to live in Connecticut. Independents make up 40%+ of the
electorate. They elected Lowell Weicker. They'll re-elect
Lieberman.
>and the Democrats lose a seat to the independent
>Lieberman. More far left, strategical stupidity.
Well, he'll vote with them on their organizing resolution, so it
won't make all that much difference in the Senate.
The Dems went down the anti-war path before and only Nixon's
stupidity let them recover the White House....
Alexander Arnakis
>
>I used to live in Connecticut. Independents make up 40%+ of the
>electorate. They elected Lowell Weicker. They'll re-elect
>Lieberman.
>
to a little over 4%. With a margin this close, it will be difficult to
persuade Lieberman to drop out of the race (which would be the desired
outcome for the Democrats). If by some chance the gap widens during
the rest of the evening, then Lieberman will drop out.
As for the general election, it all depends on what happens in Iraq
between now and then. But one way or the other, control of the Senate
won't be affected.
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
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> On 9 Aug 2006 01:17:39 GMT, Stephen Adams <ada...@no.spam> wrote:
>>
>>I used to live in Connecticut. Independents make up 40%+ of the
>>electorate. They elected Lowell Weicker. They'll re-elect
>>Lieberman.
>>
> I'm tracking the results. As I write this, Lamont's margin has shrunk
> to a little over 4%. With a margin this close, it will be difficult to
> persuade Lieberman to drop out of the race (which would be the desired
> outcome for the Democrats). If by some chance the gap widens during
> the rest of the evening, then Lieberman will drop out.
My, how soon we forget: Large municipalities take longer to compile and
release the results, and often cause massive swings in the tally.
And then there are the recounts.
So, in fact, 4% is hardly any lead at all, especially when the margin of
error is typically +/- 3%.
Ike
Alexander Arnakis
<Yeickleb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>My, how soon we forget: Large municipalities take longer to compile and
>release the results, and often cause massive swings in the tally.
>
>And then there are the recounts.
>
>So, in fact, 4% is hardly any lead at all, especially when the margin of
>error is typically +/- 3%.
>
percentage points. That's a pretty convincing victory, but probably
not enough to make Lieberman drop out.
Alexander Arnakis
<inv...@address.none> wrote:
>
>With almost 94% of the precincts reporting, Lamont is leading by 3.3
>percentage points. That's a pretty convincing victory, but probably
>not enough to make Lieberman drop out.
I was right. Lieberman conceded the primary, but said he'll run as an
independent.
There's going to be enormous pressure on him by the Democratic
establishment over the next few weeks.
Steve Hayes
>nick cobb <ni...@nospamsnet.net> writes:
>
>>Published on Monday, August 7, 2006 by the Huffington Post
>>Has the De-Liebermanization of the Democratic Party Begun?
>>by John Zogby
>
>Uh, an article from the day BEFORE the election and you claim Lamont
>wins??? Did you personally stuff the ballot boxes in advance up theire
>in Connecticut???
>
Radio Havana Cuba
http://www.radiohc.cu
Zionist Air Strikes on Beirut Intensify
Beirut, August 8 (RHC)-- Israel intensified its strikes on Beirut and
southern Lebanon on Monday, killing at least 33 people in what is
being called one of the bloodiest death tolls in Tel Aviv's ongoing
war of aggression. Israeli warplanes repeatedly bombed Beirut's
southern suburbs and pounded other areas of Lebanon, wounding an
unknown number of civilians. Lebanese authorities said Israeli naval
artillery had fired from ships off the Mediterranean coast, where they
also are enforcing a sea blockade.
Zionist forces carried out about 80 air strikes overnight, dropping
leaflets in areas of southern Lebanon that warned of an escalation of
military operations "with extreme force" in the area. The leaflets,
dropped by Israeli planes, say Zionist forces will destroy any moving
vehicle in an area south of the Litani River, 30 kilometers -- about
18 miles -- from the border with Israel. In Tel Aviv, Israeli Defense
Minster Amir Peretz admitted that Israel was preparing to occupy more
areas of southern Lebanon.
Observers say that the Zionist wars of aggression against Lebanon and
Gaza, which have been raging for more than a month, have cost more
than 1000 lives and have set back the Middle East peace process by
more than 30 years.
--
Terms and conditions apply.
Steve Hayes
haye...@hotmail.com
Steve Hayes
<Yeickleb...@comcast.net> wrote:
It must be emphasized, once again, that the notion of level of
grammaticalness can be defined in such a way as to impose a general
convention regarding the forms of the grammar. Clearly, a descriptively
adequate grammar is not subject to the requirement that branching is not
tolerated within the dominance scope of a complex symbol. On our
assumptions, any associated supporting element is not quite equivalent to
the system of base rules exclusive of the lexicon. So far, the descriptive
power of the base component cannot be arbitrary in the levels of
acceptability from fairly high (eg (99a)) to virtual gibberish (eg (98d)).
Let us continue to suppose that a case of semigrammaticalness of a
different sort does not affect the structure of irrelevant intervening
contexts in selectional rules.
Steve Hayes
wrote:
A consequence of the approach just outlined is that this
analysis of a formative as a pair of sets of features can be defined in
such a way as to impose a stipulation to place the constructions into
these various categories. I suggested that these results would follow
from the assumption that the descriptive power of the base
component is not quite equivalent to the extended c-command
discussed in connection with (34). Nevertheless, a subset of English
sentences interesting on quite independent grounds delimits the
strong generative capacity of the theory. However, this assumption
is not correct, since a case of semigrammaticalness of a different
sort is rather different from the system of base rules exclusive of the
lexicon. Thus the appearance of parasitic gaps in domains relatively
inaccessible to ordinary extraction may remedy and, at the same
time, eliminate a corpus of utterance tokens upon which conformity
has been defined by the paired utterance test.
Steve Hayes
taken from http://www.planetherbs.com/articles/croatia%20herb.htm
. St. John's wort (Hypericum Perforatum) has become one of the most
celebrated herbs of our time for the treatment of mild depression. It
actually has many other uses including antiviral, anti-inflammatory,
astringent, sedative, anti-rheumatic. It can be used for the treatment of
coughs and colds and even menopause. Topically it is applied as an oil or
salve as a vulnerary for the treatment of wounds and injuries. Its special
application is for the treatment of nerve pains for which it can be used
either as an herb or in homeopathic dosage. In Croatia, St. John's wort is
used as a topical application for the relief of burns, including sunburns.
It derives its name from the fact that the plant tends to flower on St
John's Day, which occurs just before the summer solstice. This is also
considered the ideal time to harvest the herb though it will continue to
flower throughout the summer. It has a long history of folk use in talismans
and amulets to protect against the "evil eye" or harmful psychic influences
perpetrated by one's enemies. When the bright yellow flowers are placed in
water, oil or alcohol, the solution changes to a bright blood-like red which
is particularly considered auspicious for protection and healing of both
physical and psychic wounds.
According to Paracelsus (quoted from Mathew Wood's, The Book of Herbal
Wisdom, pub by North Atlantic Books) "The hypericum is almost a universal
medicine," he says. 'The veins upon its leaves are a signatum, and being
perforated they signify that this plant drives away all phantasmata existing
in the sphere of man. The phantasmata produce spectra, in consequence of
which a man may see and hear ghosts and spooks, and from these are induced
disease by which men are induced to kill themselves, or to fall into
epilepsy, madness, insanity, etc."
Mathew Wood's excellent herb book goes on to describe various other uses for
hypericum (usually taken internally as a tea or tincture) derived from his
own and various other sources making it, as Paracelsus suggests, a veritable
panacea.
Homeopathically it is widely used for nerve trauma, inflammation of the
nerves, with sharp shooting pains along the course of the nerves and pinched
nerves associated which could also include collapsed disks of the spine. It
has a special affinity for pains caused by blows or injuries to the coccyx.
It can be used to prevent septicemia and puncture wounds. The usual
homeopathic dose is hypericum 30X.
The oil or ointment can be applied to bed sores, bleeding wounds, burns,
abrasions, injuries, boils, dry and wet eczemas and insect stings. It is
effective as an antispasmodic for muscle cramps, stiffness, aches, overuse,
sprains, bruises, sciatica, rheumatism, gout, neuralgia and poor
circulation.
Of course its recent celebrated use for the treatment of mild depression is
derived from its historical benefit for various types of nerve injuries.
From my book, The Way of Herbs (pub. By Pocket Books, 1998 edition) comes
the following:
Energy and flavors: cool, bitter
Systems affected: liver and nervous system
Biochemical Constituents: Essential opil, hjypericin, flavonoids
--- Take 10 to 30 drops of the tincture (5 to 1 extract) or simmer a
tablespoon of the dried herb in a cup of boiling water. Take two or three
cups daily.
How to Make St. John's Wort Oil
Blend 1 1/2 cups dried St. John's wort consisting mostly of flowers but with
some leaves, with 2 cups of olive oil until it is a well-macerated mixture.
Pour into a clear glass jar and cover. As the oil develops it changes bright
red, if it does not, place it in the sun for a day or so. Keep the herb
submerged in the oil and shake the jar vigorously every day for a period of
two or three weeks. Strain by press-squeezing the oil through a cloth.
Bottle and keep in a dark place for use.
This oil can be used to promote the healing of all types of wounds,
injuries, burns and damaged nerves. Internally it can be taken to help heal
gastro-intestinal ulcers.
St. John's wort has created serious photosensitivity in animals that were
previously found grazing on it in pastures. This contraindication has not
been conclusively documented in humans, however, those who are taking it
regularly for controlling depression might be especially careful in over
exposure to the sun. One can expect no problem from its short-term (a few
days to a week or so) use. Interestingly, the Croatians specifically
indicate the use of St. John's wort oil as a topical treatment for sunburn.
What of my trip to Croatia? It was taken as part of a concert tour with the
Santa Cruz Chorale under the excellent artistic direction of maestro Paul
Vorwerke. It included six concerts, which we gave over a period of two weeks
of the sacred music of the great high renaissance Italian composer, Claudio
Monteverdi (1567-1643). The first week included concerts in the area of Lake
Como (Lecco), Mantua, Padua, Caorle, Venice, Split. The first week was in
Northern Italy while the second week included a tour of the Dalmatian Coast
on the way to the beautiful walled city of Dubrovnik in Croatia. Monteverdi,
a contemporary of William Shakespeare, was the creator of opera and was
regarded as the foremost composer of the time. His music invokes a wide
range of emotions from human passion to spiritual ecstasy. Actually the
choir has made a beautiful recording of the concert entitled Vespers for the
Nativity of St John the Baptist which is available from the on-line store.
The most memorable concert was the performance at the beautiful Chiesa Santa
Maria Gloriosa dei Frari in Venice where Monteverdi's remains are interred
in a small adjoining chapel dedicated to his memory. Singing Monteverdi's
glorious Magnificat in front of the colossal altar masterwork based on the
Assumption of Mary by Titian, perhaps one of the greatest paintings in all
of Venice, alone would have made the trip a worthwhile experience for me.
Another highlight was witnessing the panels depicting various scenes of the
New Testament painted by the great Italian painter Giotto (1267-1337) at the
Scrovegni chapel in Padua. Giotto was the first to go beyond the idealized
depictions of the previous Greek and Byzantine artists to include the
depiction of human emotions set in a rich landscape. In a sense, his work
set the stage for the later masters such as Rembrandt, Da Vinci, Titian and
others. For many of us witnessing Giotto's paintings in this small chapel
was an unforgettable and profound spiritual experience.
Our guide in Venice, an enthusiastic women in her early 40's was full of
praise for alternative medicine, including Traditional Chinese Medicine and
homeopathy. She claimed it cured her of chronic fatigue and a kidney disease
deemed incurable by conventional medicine. Unfortunately this seemed not to
be of any compelling interest to the many scholarly professional scientists
who were members of the Santa Cruz Chorale. The touring chorale, included 17
regular members and additional musicians and friends of the esteemed
director Paul Vorwerk, brought the group up to 37 with an additional group
of spouses. Highly respected individuals including an astrophysicist, a
neurophysiologist, a couple of psychiatrists, computer programmers and
others where part of the touring group. We listened with some concern, as
our guide spoke of the sharply declining birth rate of Italians in Italy.
This seemed to be the result of the high cost of having children (does this
sound familiar in terms of the US?) and resulted in Northern Italy's zero
replacement birthrate, while Southern Italy is at 1 1/2 per capita. These
figures which at first seem positive in terms of the world's exploding
population does present a possible crisis where poor minorities occupying
those countries multiply at a far greater rate. Personally I'm not sure
whether this is at all either good or bad, having no feelings of racial
superiority, one can still feel some sentimental concern for the eclipse of
any great culture or people.
To demonstrate how backward our own country is in terms of granting
maternity leave, several other countries also allow for paid maternity
leave. France allows a year's maternity leave while even a relatively poorer
country such as Croatia allows a six week paid maternity leave for its
citizens. In France, this poses another problem as poorer residents as well
as emigrants from other countries and minorities take advantage of the
system by electing France as the country to go to have children. Then of
course there are some of the Scandinavian countries that mandate and have
state supported vacations for as much as six weeks yearly. This often
includes free and paid vacations at state supported spas at beautiful
Mediterranean coastal resorts.
The three day bus trip along Croatia's Dalmatian coast was breathtaking to
say the least. With its hundreds of offshore islands, inlets, small coastal
villages, etc, it is perhaps one of the most beautiful coastlines in the
world. The trip culminated with a visit to the beautiful coastal city of
Dubrovnik. The main attraction of Dubrovnik is its ancient walled city that
juts out to the Adriatic Sea. Dubrovnik includes a medieval city, with
various homes, shops, churches, monastery and a Rector's palace. In the
Franciscan Monastery one will find the 3rd oldest continually function
pharmacy of Europe. We had several opportunities to visit offshore islands
and swim in the pure, emerald green Adriatic sea which, considering the
sweltering heat was both a sensuous experience and for many of us a
necessity.
Though brief, I was able to derive from brief conversations the great
tragedy of the recent war of liberation from Serbia that began in 1991 and
recently ended in 1996. As a result there were many physical scars from
direct shelling of the cities we visited. Much to the Serbian's
international embarrassment their shelling of the ancient city of Dubrovnik,
declared by Unesco as a world treasure, did not invoke any sympathy to their
cause. The spiritual and psychological damage of this and countless other
wars of atrocities that have occurred throughout the Balkans seems to have
no end. If you want to develop a background understanding of this integral
part of the world, I recommend reading Balkan Ghosts by David Kaplan.
Those who question our involvement in conflicts in Bosnia and Kosovo need to
realize the strategic importance this area of the world has on continued
peace in Europe and our involvement with NATO alliance formed after the
second world war.
There are rivalries and hatreds that go back at least to the defeat of the
Serbs by the Ottoman Turks in 1329. Ironically, all three being based on
love of God and neighbor, the conflicts between the Muslim, Orthodox and
Catholic religions also do not add any further stability or peace to the
region.
Mutual Croatian and Serbian hate from the recent atrocities committed by
both sides, the suffering and loss of homes, status and loved ones lingers
everywhere. As with Hitler's fueling the hatred of the Jews during WWII,
former communist leaders, seeking to maintain power after the dissolution of
the Soviet Union in 1989, do so at the expense of the people by fueling
age-old race hatred and rivalries. This includes Milosevic of Serbia and
Tudjuman of Croatia.
I hope this helps to disseminate a bit more understanding of the various
issues and conflicts involved concerning this incredibly beautiful part of
the world. I know that Rosemary, Lavender and St. John's wort are among the
most popularly used of all botanicals. Perhaps each of us may, whenever we
use these herbs, better appreciate their place of origin and send positive
thoughts and prayers for the spiritual healing of this troubled area.
July, 1999
vjp...@at.biostrategist.dot.dot.com
Aug. 8 (Bloomberg) -- Senator Joseph Lieberman conceded defeat in the
Connecticut Democratic primary, losing to businessman Ned Lamont in a
race that turned into a referendum on the incumbent's support for the
war in Iraq. .. Lamont, 52, is the founder of a cable television
company in Greenwich and great-grandson of legendary J.P. Morgan &
Co. Chairman Thomas W. Lamont.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aPCM8j8mxt_0&refer=home
Thomas William Lamont (1870-1948) was an American banker. Born in
Claverack, New York, he graduated from Phillips Exeter Academy in 1888 and
earned his degree from Harvard University in 1892. After 1910, he became a
partner of J.P. Morgan & Co., and served as a U.S. financial advisor abroad
in the 1920s and 1930s. During the 1919 Paris negotiatons leading up to the
Treaty of Versailles, Lamont was selected as one of two representatives of
the United States Department of the Treasury on the American delegation.
On Black Thursday in 1929, he was acting head of J.P. Morgan & Co. and
was part of the Wall Street bankers who tried to inject confidence back into
the stock market through massive purchases of blue chip stocks. Following the
reorganization of J.P. Morgan & Co., in 1943 Lamont was elected chairman of
the board of directors.
His widow, Florence Haskell (Corliss) Lamont (1873-1952) donated "Torrey
Cliff," their weekend residence overlooking the Hudson River in Palisades,
New York, to Columbia University. It is now the site of the Lamont-Doherty
Earth Observatory.
Stephen Adams
If you take Lieberman's vote, add too it the votes of those who are registered
as Independents, and remember the Lowell Weicker factor, Lieberman wins the
general election pretty handily, as I see it.
nick cobb
Iraq. He wants to bring all the American troops home immediately. Let
Iraq fight their own civil war and the U.S. can again invest in its
people; not the war machine.
He stands for health insurance for all Americans and most all real
Democratic principals based on human rights and human dignity.
Stephen Adams
If the Democrats run on:
- Universal health care
- Immediate withdrawel from Iraq
They will get slaugheterd in the Novemeber elections.
nick cobb
Stephen Adams
Ah, so you agree? Hmm. I suspect you are being sarcastic. The American
public is NOT anti-war, they are not happy with how the war is being
prosectued. There is a huge difference.
Americans are concerned about health care, but they do not want a government
managed and funded healthcare system. There is a huge difference.
If the Democrats run on an 'anti-war, socialist medicine' platform, they
will lose. Both of those are out of touch with the public.
If the want to win, they should be:
- Stating that they will resolve the issue in Iraq one way or the other. And then
give some concrete steps (eg partition)
- Making it clear that health care is a concern and that the system is broken. In
exchange for some more government funding and involvement, promise to tame their
lawyers' lobby and get real, solid malpractice reforms
- Saying that the tax system is broken, and agree to simplify it and ensure that
it is applied equitably
- Admitting that Social Security and Medicare are problematic, and that real reform
must occur. Then make it happen.
All of those are winners. If they do it your way, they lose.
aggreen
nick kobbs wrote:
> Published on Monday, August 7, 2006 by the Huffington Post
> Has the De-Liebermanization of the Democratic Party Begun?
> by John Zogby
***The Democratic Party's fate is sealed. It is officially anti-war and
can no longer be counted on to protect the U.S. against terrorism. The
United States' dissolution has begun thanks to the liberal left
radicals and the ACLU!
Al
aggreen
Stephen Adams wrote:
> nick cobb <ni...@nospamsnet.net> writes:
>
> >Published on Monday, August 7, 2006 by the Huffington Post
> >Has the De-Liebermanization of the Democratic Party Begun?
> >by John Zogby
>
> Uh, an article from the day BEFORE the election and you claim Lamont
> wins??? Did you personally stuff the ballot boxes in advance up theire
> in Connecticut???
>
> -Stephen
***No, he stuffed those stupid pills where the sun doesn't shine!
nick cobb
Alexander Arnakis
>
>If you take Lieberman's vote, add too it the votes of those who are registered
>as Independents, and remember the Lowell Weicker factor, Lieberman wins the
>general election pretty handily, as I see it.
>
Stephen Adams
Yes it can. But I think Lieberman has lots of advantages...
nick cobb
be thrown out and Bush should be impeached. OUT OF IRAQ NOW!
AGGreen
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Alexander Arnakis
>***At least I'm not an anti-Orthodox Jew hater like you.
>
Wait a minute. Parse this sentence. You're accusing him of hating
anti-Orthodox Jews, that is, Reform Jews. What would he have against
Reform Jews?
Bbd
You may be reading the prefix "anti" in a way that most
English-speakers wouldn't.
Most of the Reform Jews that I know aren't "anti-Orthodox". In my
experience, the most anti-Orthodox Jews tend to be secular ones -
especially Israelis who are fed up with the "ultra-Orthodox".
nick cobb
ago by his relatives. He was institutionalized previously.
AGGreen
"nick cobb" <ni...@nospamsnet.net> wrote in message
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> Green is in reality a crazy person. He should have been committed long ago
> by his relatives. He was institutionalized previously.
***When and where?
***At least I wasn't bitchslapped by seminarians who didn't appreciate
getting poked in the butt by you!
nick cobb
individual spewing lies?
AGGreen
is a lying OCA hierarch.
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Stephen Adams
>Stephen Adams wrote:
>> Alexander Arnakis <inv...@address.none> writes:
>>
>>> On 9 Aug 2006 12:34:35 GMT, Stephen Adams <ada...@no.spam> wrote:
>>>> If you take Lieberman's vote, add too it the votes of those who are registered
>>>> as Independents, and remember the Lowell Weicker factor, Lieberman wins the
>>>> general election pretty handily, as I see it.
>>>>
>>> A lot can happen between now and November.
>>
>> Yes it can. But I think Lieberman has lots of advantages...
>>
>The majority of Americans are speaking and acting - the Republicans will
>be thrown out and Bush should be impeached. OUT OF IRAQ NOW!
This isn't the majority - it's a Democratic primary. And that brought
out all the anti-war Democrats. Lieberman will win.