Church of England School Suspends Muslim Teacher for Refusing to Remove Veil
Bbd
Veil
A Muslim woman has been suspended by a Church of England Junior School
in West Yorkshire, after she refused to remove her veil whilst teaching
young children in lessons.
by Daniel Blake
Posted: Friday, October 13, 2006, 13:42 (BST)Font Scale:A A A
A Muslim woman has been suspended by a Church of England junior school
in West Yorkshire, after she refused to remove her veil whilst teaching
young children in lessons.
A council spokeswoman has confirmed the decision, which has come about
because Aishah Azmi, 24, refused to heed to requests from the school to
remove the veil, after pupils complained that they found it hard to
understand her during English language lessons.
The young Muslim woman was told by the school that she could wear the
veil in corridors and the staff room at Headfield Church of England
Junior School in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, but must remove it when
teaching.
A spokesman for Kirklees Council said, "I can confirm she has been
suspended. The matter has gone before an employment tribunal and we are
waiting for the result. It would be inappropriate to comment
further."
The tribunal heard the case in September and is due to announce its
decision within the next two weeks.
Dewsbury MP Shahid Malik backed the school's decision, saying: "In
schools the top priority has got to be the education of our children. I
fully support the decision of the education authority and the school in
requesting the classroom assistant remove her veil when teaching
primary school children.
"I believe the education authority has bent over backwards to be
accommodating and has been extremely reasonable and sensible in the
decision it has come to. There is no religious obligation whatsoever
for Muslim women to cover themselves up in front of primary school
children."
The school educates 529 pupils aged between 7 to 11, and is known to
have many students from different ethnic origins where English is not
used as a first language.
An Ofsted report carried out in February 2006 said: "Most of the
children are of Pakistani or Indian heritage, and a few are from a wide
variety of ethnic backgrounds, including white British. The first
languages spoken by most children are Panjabi, Gujarati and Urdu, and
many children are still learning to speak English."
Emphasising that the decision was purely for the good of the school's
students, Kirklees Council's children's services spokesman, Jim Dodds,
said Ms Azmi's suspension was "nothing to do with religion".
He said, "We are simply trying to ensure that our children get the
best possible education. Both pupils and teachers raised concerns
because they were finding it difficult to make out what she was saying
during lessons.
"We have a lot of pupils who do not speak English as a first language
and you have to be able to see people's lips move when you are being
taught. We asked this young lady to remove her veil when she was
teaching English language, but she refused."
Mr Dodds said that even if Azmi won her case the council would not
alter its stance.
"Our only concern is that the children are taught properly."
Alexander Arnakis
>Church of England School Suspends Muslim Teacher for Refusing to Remove
>Veil
>A Muslim woman has been suspended by a Church of England Junior School
>in West Yorkshire, after she refused to remove her veil whilst teaching
>young children in lessons.
Good! But why only "suspend" her? What business does a militant Moslem
have teaching in a supposedly Christian school?
AGGreen
"Alexander Arnakis" <inv...@address.none> wrote in message
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***Since when does anything in the Anglican Communion make sense? <G>
jmd
in_article_id=410150&in_page_id=1770
jmd
well, using a snake as stole, this makes really sense : it shows who's the master...
Fred T.T
"AGGreen" <A...@GoBush.edu> wrote in message
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To quote you Al in another post today (what goes around comes around)
"***It is sad that you view Orthodoxy and its way of life as a "game."
Its all you do here Al with Nick Cobbs, O.K and many others......
talk about hate - forget others Al and look after your own spiritual
failings.
Now whine on some more.................!!!
FTT
AGGreen
"Fred T.T" <f...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
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***Oh goody. The Anglican nut case priest rears his ugly head again like a
snake rising from a basket to a tune on a Hindu flute! Did Al say something
about the Anglican church? Oh, let me see if I can say something stupid and
try to embarass him. Let me show my Anglican love and humility! Let me see
if I can get the guy angry and egg him on about whining...or some other
stupid thing.
AGGreen
"jmd" <dogg...@NoSpamsPlize-gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Usenet.nnpaqldh@localhost...
***Speaking of snakes, wee haven't heard from the Anglican priest in Canada
lately. I wonder if he brings animals into the nave for blessings? I've
heard that some Canadian Anglican priests give communion to animals. What a
church!! NOT!!
***Now, let's all wait for Father Fred to respond and egg me with his
"whining" baloney! LOL!
jmd
I posted to you some messages with links in the thread about Nashville cathedral
"blessings" of camel & llama & so on. Did you saw them? some where with pictures of the
whole zoo inside the nave and even the zone of their fancy table
OK
OK
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?
> in_article_id=410150&in_page_id=1770
>
>
Article not found.
OK
OK
Look in the mirror. Why do you care so much who receives communion? You
trivialize the sacrament. You want to know why I don't care? Look at
you. If you think I am damaging the faith, look at yourself. You are
doing far more damage to the faith than I could ever dream of doing.
AGGreen
"OK" <O...@nospamsnet.net> wrote in message
news:PJcYg.14718$e66....@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
***Wow! You approve of gay and lesbian priests and priestesses and bishops
and bishopettes?
AGGreen
***If so, how come it is you ain't allowed the Holy Cup?
OK
opinion and he excommunicated me as a result of his false convictions.
He is entitled to his false convictions and he is entitled to make
decisions on those false convictions. I can not override his decision
making process. I can and am deciding to obey him. At least, he, unlike
my ex husband, gives me something to obey, and I am happy for that. I
need his authority in my life so I am submitting to it like or not.
He does not want to give it to him so I may not have it. It is his alone
to give or take away and he has taken it away from me. That is why. He
made the choice and I have to go along with it.
OK
Fred T.T
"AGGreen" <A...@GoBush.edu> wrote in message
Oh goody Thus spake the Orthodox nut case - named Al.
Stephen Adams
>AGGreen wrote:
>> "SWMNBN" <O...@nospamsnet.net> wrote in message
>>> The Anglican Communion is a Christian communion and should not be put
>>> down.
>>
>> ***Wow! You approve of gay and lesbian priests and priestesses and bishops
>> and bishopettes?
>>
>Yes I do.
Well, there you have it. SWMNBN has rejected Orthodoxy. Plain and
simple.
-Stephen
--
Space Age Cybernomad Stephen Adams
malchu...@AMgmail.com (remove SPAM to reply)
Stephen Adams
>***Wow! You approve of gay and lesbian priests and priestesses and bishops
>and bishopettes?
Al, she's an excommunicated heretic. Let it go. Just stop responding
to her...please.
OK
> "AGGreen" <A...@GoBush.edu> writes:
>
>
>> ***Wow! You approve of gay and lesbian priests and priestesses and bishops
>> and bishopettes?
>>
>
> Al, she's an excommunicated heretic. Let it go. Just stop responding
> to her...please.
>
> -Stephen
>
priestesses and bishops and bishopettes ***in the Anglican church***
Who am I to judge them? I do not know them?
Subdeacon is *determined* to blacken my name on the Internet because I
will not submit to *him*. I will not. There is only one man who I am
accountable to right now, and that is? My bishop. Get it? Understand?
Not subdeacon. And I was not excommunicated because I am a heretic. I
was excommunicated because I did not respect my boundaries nor those of
my bishop. It is an interpersonal problem, just like Metropolitan Herman
and Father Rodian are having an ******interpersonal problem******
Those men have known each other for years. My bishop and I are very
close friends. So, you see?
Interpersonal problem, ****not**** heresy.
Subdeacon does not seem to know anything about ****interpersonal
relationships****
Odd, because religion is all about an interpersonal relationship with?
God. That's right kids. Religion 101. And subdeacon has? Failed!
Any one want to mentor me in this group? I need one. Thanks.
OK
> SWMNBN <O...@nospamsnet.net> writes:
>
>> AGGreen wrote:
>>
>>> "SWMNBN" <O...@nospamsnet.net> wrote in message
>>>
>
>
>>>> The Anglican Communion is a Christian communion and should not be put
>>>> down.
>>>>
>>> ***Wow! You approve of gay and lesbian priests and priestesses and bishops
>>> and bishopettes?
>>>
>>>
>> Yes I do.
>>
>
> Well, there you have it. SWMNBN has rejected Orthodoxy. Plain and
> simple.
>
> -Stephen
>
I to put my beliefs on them? That is? ****Religious fascism****,
Subdeacon. This subdeacon is a? Stalinist!
Once again exerting his might to? Blacken my name!
Guess what? His jurisdiction is a big fat bully trying to take over the
Orthodox Church with OCL and SCOBA. In other words: Orthodox Christian
Laity and Standing Councils of Orthodox Bishops in America. They are
like the Borg of the Orthodox Church. They are like a bulldozer and a
battering ram and a juggernaut, determined to plow down anything and
everything in their way! And apparently I am in their way. Good. I am
not going anywhere. I can take it. They are going to get exhausted
trying to mow me over. I have very strong convictions.
AGGreen
***If you are going to obey your bishop, can we asume that this is your last
posted message herein?
AGGreen
***I knew you wouldn't disappoint me! What a guy!
AGGreen
"Stephen Adams" <ada...@no.spam> wrote in message
news:egs6h...@news3.newsguy.com...
> "AGGreen" <A...@GoBush.edu> writes:
>
>>***Wow! You approve of gay and lesbian priests and priestesses and bishops
>>and bishopettes?
>
> Al, she's an excommunicated heretic. Let it go. Just stop responding
> to her...please.
>
> -Stephen
***I hear ya, Stephen. But her answers seem to be providing fodder for the
Siberian web site. Whoever is doing the web site, and the mirror in
communist China, is pretty quick to post. Fascinating.
Al
Fred T.T
"AGGreen" <A...@GoBush.edu> wrote in message
Oh you love it .... !!!! Mr. Orthgodox "nut case"
and to quote you once again.... Al
"I knew you wouldn't disappoint me! What a guy!"
Now do your shadow boxong once more
FTT
OK
everything to do with my boundaries and his boundaries. It is not for
you to say what he is doing to me. That is none of your business. Only
three people know the truth: my bishop, my self, and my friend.
Bbd
Please stop this.
Al is a regular and frequent poster to this NG. His posts concern many
different topics. He rarely mentions Anglicans and Anglicanism. In any
case, his opinions are his own and he is entitled to them.
You, on the other hand, only appear here to exchange insults and abuse.
A while ago, I asked Al to refrain from mentioning your name in his
posts to avoid drawing you here, and he was kind enough to oblige. But
now it seems that anything he says about Anglicans or Anglicanism will
cause you to reappear for yet another hostile exchange.
If you are going to remain here, why not post some material that you
consider interesting and/or positive? Why not involve yourself in
rational conversations if posters say things that you disagree with?
And yes, I know there has been a lot of bad behaviour in this group. As
I have told you before, that is the reality of Usenet.
If, on the other hand, you are only going to appear from time to time
to fire insults at Al, then you are a troll, pure and simple.
Please (and particularly if you really are an Anglican priest) stop
this.
AGGreen
***Why not, troll!
AGGreen
"Bbd" <big...@hushmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160950105.3...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
***I don't believe he's a priest. No priest writes what he does.
Fred T.T
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bbd" <big...@hushmail.com>
Dear "Bdb"
Let the truth be known - and it is plain to see
if one 'wants' to see it - that my replies to Al
are what he wants from me - they are fodder
for him to feed his need to keep his cyberspace
fires alight against his desingnated internet targets.
He needs attention and loves it when people
like you to run to his defense. Just cross him
Bdb.... and find out what I mean .
But, maybe you are"Al Green" in disguise ????
I don't think so..... but one can't help but think
that could be a reality he would not pass up. Over
the years he has posted by various internet addresses.
Talk about Trolling !!!!
Al's cyberspace antics are well attested to on this nsg.
He is intolerant of any view not his own. And constantly
keeps barking away at them .So much for one's opinion -
so long as it is Al's ?
He fully knows well what their response will be and feeds his
ego on them with his replies and posts.
His constant replies to Nick Cobb, OK and to many others
who do not post any longer, are examples of his denigrating
and disgusting conduct and humiliating name calling - all in
the name of Christ and of Orthodoxy...??????
I have a deep interest in Orthodoxy and thank God Almighty
that I know Al does not represent the genuine Orthodox Way
and Practice I have exerienced in my social and spiritual relations
with many Orthodox Priests, two Bishops and countless Laity
over the past 25 years here in Montreal .
Bdg my responses to Al are out of a profound sadness and disgust
concerning his so called "orthodox" examples shown here.He has every
right to his own opinions on anything - even on me . But why must
one's Personhood - which is in God's Image - have to be defiled by him?
Let him disagree with Nick Cobb - but, why call him "bitch slapped' if
even that were true? Why make inuendos concerning him - or O.K
or whomever else ....!?
I won't go on any more and I am sorry if my responses have genuinely
upset some on this nsg. It certainly is NOT my desire to do so. But some
people like Al (and I am sure this will 'tickle his fancy' by saying it)
can
'cut to the quick ' and cause knee jerk reactions...!!!!
I do not dislke Al the person - how could I I don't know him at all ..
just the "Persona" he displays here in cyberspace.
Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
Al carry on. I sure you will ..... !
And you will do all in your power to goad me to respond .
No more.
You have lost....
I battle no more with you
God bless you, Al
Yours in Christ
Fr. Fred T. T. - Anglican Priest
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
AGGreen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bbd" <big...@hushmail.com>
>
>
> Dear "Bdb"
>
> Let the truth be known - and it is plain to see
> if one 'wants' to see it - that my replies to Al
> are what he wants from me - they are fodder
> for him to feed his need to keep his cyberspace
> fires alight against his desingnated internet targets.
***You're not my target, but I'm your target.
>
> He needs attention and loves it when people
> like you to run to his defense. Just cross him
> Bdb.... and find out what I mean .
***You don't like attention? Hmmm... Odd way of showing it.
>
> But, maybe you are"Al Green" in disguise ????
> I don't think so..... but one can't help but think
> that could be a reality he would not pass up. Over
> the years he has posted by various internet addresses.
***Oh c'mon, Freddie. One NEVER uses his or her correct email address on
UseNet! Even Nick Kobbs uses a phoney name. Geesh!
>
> Talk about Trolling !!!!
>
> Al's cyberspace antics are well attested to on this nsg.
> He is intolerant of any view not his own.
***Especially the homosexual Anglican clerics, right? LOL!
And constantly
> keeps barking away at them .So much for one's opinion -
> so long as it is Al's ?
***I guess in this respect Nick and I are peas in a pod...intolerant of each
other's views! ;-)
>
> He fully knows well what their response will be and feeds his
> ego on them with his replies and posts.
***You rise to the occasion every time!
>
> His constant replies to Nick Cobb, OK and to many others
> who do not post any longer, are examples of his denigrating
> and disgusting conduct and humiliating name calling - all in
> the name of Christ and of Orthodoxy...??????
***With Nick, it politics, not Orthodoxy. And he still does post here. With
OK, it heresy, and she still posts here.
>
> I have a deep interest in Orthodoxy and thank God Almighty
> that I know Al does not represent the genuine Orthodox Way
> and Practice I have exerienced in my social and spiritual relations
> with many Orthodox Priests, two Bishops and countless Laity
> over the past 25 years here in Montreal .
***But not quite enough love to leave the dying Anglican communion and take
the plunge into the True Church, eh?
>
> Bdg my responses to Al are out of a profound sadness and disgust
> concerning his so called "orthodox" examples shown here.
***Yeah, right!
He has every
> right to his own opinions on anything - even on me . But why must
> one's Personhood - which is in God's Image - have to be defiled by him?
> Let him disagree with Nick Cobb - but, why call him "bitch slapped' if
> even that were true? Why make inuendos concerning him - or O.K
> or whomever else ....!?
***If the term is good enough for a bishop...
>
> I won't go on any more and I am sorry if my responses have genuinely
> upset some on this nsg. It certainly is NOT my desire to do so.
***Cough! Sputter! Gag!
But some
> people like Al (and I am sure this will 'tickle his fancy' by saying it)
> can
> 'cut to the quick ' and cause knee jerk reactions...!!!!
***You are the prime example! LOL!
>
> I do not dislke Al the person - how could I I don't know him at all ..
> just the "Persona" he displays here in cyberspace.
>
> Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
***Ah, yes, Latin church terminology!
>
> Al carry on. I sure you will ..... !
***I know I have your support.
>
> And you will do all in your power to goad me to respond .
***Heck no! I don't want you to respond., Don't.
>
> No more.
>
> You have lost....
>
> I battle no more with you
***Thank you, Jesus!
>
> God bless you, Al
***thanks. Same to you.
OK
>
>
>
>
>> His constant replies to Nick Cobb, OK and to many others
>> who do not post any longer, are examples of his denigrating
>> and disgusting conduct and humiliating name calling - all in
>> the name of Christ and of Orthodoxy...??????
>>
>
>
> ***With Nick, it politics, not Orthodoxy. And he still does post here. With
> OK, it heresy, and she still posts here.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Stephen Adams
>"Stephen Adams" <ada...@no.spam> wrote in message
>news:egs6h...@news3.newsguy.com...
>> "AGGreen" <A...@GoBush.edu> writes:
>>
>>>***Wow! You approve of gay and lesbian priests and priestesses and bishops
>>>and bishopettes?
>>
>> Al, she's an excommunicated heretic. Let it go. Just stop responding
>> to her...please.
>>
>Siberian web site. Whoever is doing the web site, and the mirror in
>communist China, is pretty quick to post. Fascinating.
It could be automated - just looking for her email addresses/From: line.
That would be pretty simple to setup. It would take about an hour to
write the perl script to do it, including testing.
Even so, please jut ignore her. Thanks.
OK
mirror my writing. You are no subdeacon. You are a tool of Satan. You
are trying to control hundreds of thousands of people. First you tell
them how to find my writing and post it and then you tell them to ignore
me. You have no power over me. None. You are of no consequence to me.
You are an enemy of the OCADOW and possibly of God.
Bbd
Thank you Fr. Fred.
The issues of inappropriate posting and trolling have troubled many of
us who follow this group. Unfortunately, the options are few.
Personally, I would favour a moderated newsgroup, but I recognize that
there are significant disadvantages to this approach, among them the
fact that suitable and willing volunteers must be found to act as
moderators.
So we stumble on, trying to have the occasional meaninful discussion on
Orthodox topics in the midst of a lot of objectionable noise. From what
I have seen of Usenet, however, we are actually in better shape than
many (most?) NGs. Usenet is a rough forum and it attracts some very odd
people.
As someone who has a longstanding interest in Orthodoxy, I would
encourage you to stay and participate in the threads that interest you.
I suspect that you have much to teach us.
We have all had to develop a certain "insensitivity" to posters who
shock or offend us. When I am convinced that I have identified a
genuine troll, I refrain entirely from responding to his/her posts, and
usually don't even bother to read them.
In any case, thank you again for your careful reply.
Bbd
nick cobb
adjusted poster. Why do you think he was defrocked? Why do you think he
has bounced from one Protestant church after another until he found some
bishop he snookered into making him a deacon then realizing his great
mistake? This is not a normal person! His attacks against me and my
family (much of which the readers here will never fully know) are lies,
lies and more lies. He has attacked and defamed priests, bishops and
patriarchs and continues in all of his gossip, lies and rumors.
So, Fred T.T, what did you expect from such a person?
AGGreen
"nick cobb" <ni...@nospamsnet.net> wrote in message
news:0kLYg.14477$vJ2...@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
> What people here don't understand is that Al Green is not your normal
> adjusted poster. Why do you think he was defrocked? Why do you think he
> has bounced from one Protestant church after another
***Just two...Methodist then Episcopal. they are very closely related.
until he found some
> bishop he snookered into making him a deacon then realizing his great
> mistake?
***The bishop who ordained me was not the one who removed me from the
deaconate in the criminal OCA.
This is not a normal person! His attacks against me and my
> family (much of which the readers here will never fully know) are lies,
***Puullleeeze! I've only followed your example! How come you never talk
about how proud you are of your father?
> lies and more lies. He has attacked and defamed priests, bishops and
> patriarchs and continues in all of his gossip, lies and rumors.
***You are so full of bull poop! What an SVOTS guy...NOT. (Does your head
still hurt?)
AGGreen
OK
world to know of my religious belief system nor my excommunication from
it. I wanted to keep that private. You continue to broadcast it to
hundreds of thousands of readers. My religion is private, not public.
That editor has made a private matter public. I had to put a disposable
email address in my daughter's school district's directory because I did
not want anyone to trace my email address to that website. First and
foremost I do not want my religious belief system known to my daughter's
school district.
AGGreen
>> ***You are nutz.
>>
>> http://golden-quotes.narod.ru/
>>
> You are damaging my reputation in the real world. I do not wish the real
> world to know of my religious belief system nor my excommunication from
> it. I wanted to keep that private. You continue to broadcast it to
> hundreds of thousands of readers. My religion is private, not public. That
> editor has made a private matter public. I had to put a disposable email
> address in my daughter's school district's directory because I did not
> want anyone to trace my email address to that website. First and foremost
> I do not want my religious belief system known to my daughter's school
> district.
***There are so many things wrong in and about your statement. Where does
one begin? You still refuse to take responsibility for what YOU have made
public...including stuff about your child's school district. You reveal more
and more and accuse others of doing it. Your right brain doesn't seem to
know what the left side is doing.
Stephen Adams
SWMNBN is going down the same path that Steve Winter did. He acted like
a total nincompoop and then whined when others pointed it out. He tried
to have sites taken down, accounts canceled, etc, and he was the one who
was responsible for all the 'negative' press he got! His own actions
caused his problem. He even went so far as to sue 20+ people and companies,
only to find out that ISP's are immune and that out-of-state defendants
can't be haled into North Carolina courts for posting on the internet.
The point is - what you do on the internet IS public, and will be viewed
by the public. If you reveal information here, you must assume that it
will follow you in "real life" no matter what your desire.
If SWMNBN ever applies for a job that requires a background check, all of
her posts will be used to judge her worthiness for a job. I'd hate to be
in her shoes in THAT case.
And frankly, from an Orthodox point of view, trying to hide the fact that
she is Orthodox speaks volumes - she is ashamed of her faith, ashamed of
the gospel. It's no wonder her bishop excommunicated her!
OK
> "AGGreen" <A...@GoBush.edu> writes:
>
>> "SWMNBN" <O...@nospamsnet.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> ***You are nutz.
>>>>
>>>> http://golden-quotes.narod.ru/
>>>>
>>> You are damaging my reputation in the real world. I do not wish the real
>>> world to know of my religious belief system nor my excommunication from
>>> it. I wanted to keep that private. You continue to broadcast it to
>>> hundreds of thousands of readers. My religion is private, not public. That
>>> editor has made a private matter public. I had to put a disposable email
>>> address in my daughter's school district's directory because I did not
>>> want anyone to trace my email address to that website. First and foremost
>>> I do not want my religious belief system known to my daughter's school
>>> district.
>>>
>> ***There are so many things wrong in and about your statement. Where does
>> one begin? You still refuse to take responsibility for what YOU have made
>> public...including stuff about your child's school district. You reveal more
>> and more and accuse others of doing it. Your right brain doesn't seem to
>> know what the left side is doing.
>>
school district. I said that I did not want her school district
associated with my email address. Get it clear.
>
> SWMNBN is going down the same path that Steve Winter did. He acted like
> a total nincompoop and then whined when others pointed it out. He tried
> to have sites taken down, accounts canceled, etc, and he was the one who
> was responsible for all the 'negative' press he got! His own actions
> caused his problem. He even went so far as to sue 20+ people and companies,
> only to find out that ISP's are immune and that out-of-state defendants
> can't be haled into North Carolina courts for posting on the internet.
>
> The point is - what you do on the internet IS public, and will be viewed
> by the public. If you reveal information here, you must assume that it
> will follow you in "real life" no matter what your desire.
>
> If SWMNBN ever applies for a job that requires a background check, all of
> her posts will be used to judge her worthiness for a job. I'd hate to be
> in her shoes in THAT case.
>
website is a violation of my privacy. The majority of those posts were
pulled from private groups that require membership. You are a liar.
> And frankly, from an Orthodox point of view, trying to hide the fact that
> she is Orthodox speaks volumes - she is ashamed of her faith, ashamed of
> the gospel. It's no wonder her bishop excommunicated her!
>
> -Stephen
>
economic life and should not be associated with such. Yes, I am of weak
faith. I am not a catacomb Christian in communist Russia, nor a refugee.
I am an American living in an atmosphere of religious pluralism. I am
quite sensitive to other people's sensibilities. That website is totally
unnecessary and uncalled for, Subdeacon.
AGGreen
"Stephen Adams" <ada...@no.spam> wrote in message
***Very true. AND, that post about Lucifer that SWMNBN sent just floored me.
Is there anyone who does not understand why +B.T. took the action he did?
OK
yahoo groups that require acceptance for membership. They were not
available to the general public. They were made public. I have not
stated anything about my daughter's school district other than the fact
that I did not want it associated with that website. I have not
revealed anything. And I have not accused anyone of doing anything. The
facts speak for themselves. I know exactly what I am doing. I want that
website down. It is pure evil, nothing more, nothing less.
aggreen
On Oct 17, 12:05 pm, OK <O...@nospamsnet.net> wrote:
> AGGreen wrote:
> > "OK" <O...@nospamsnet.net> wrote in message
> >news:9PWYg.15517$e66....@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
> >>> ***You are nutz.
>
> >>>http://golden-quotes.narod.ru/
>
> >> You are damaging my reputation in the real world. I do not wish the real
> >> world to know of my religious belief system nor my excommunication from
> >> it. I wanted to keep that private. You continue to broadcast it to
> >> hundreds of thousands of readers. My religion is private, not public. That
> >> editor has made a private matter public. I had to put a disposable email
> >> address in my daughter's school district's directory because I did not
> >> want anyone to trace my email address to that website. First and foremost
> >> I do not want my religious belief system known to my daughter's school
> >> district.
>
> > ***There are so many things wrong in and about your statement. Where does
> > one begin? You still refuse to take responsibility for what YOU have made
> > public...including stuff about your child's school district. You reveal more
> > and more and accuse others of doing it. Your right brain doesn't seem to
> > know what the left side is doing.Again, I did not make anything public. My posts were pulled from private
> yahoo groups that require acceptance for membership. They were not
> available to the general public. They were made public. I have not
> stated anything about my daughter's school district other than the fact
> that I did not want it associated with that website. I have not
> revealed anything. And I have not accused anyone of doing anything. The
> facts speak for themselves. I know exactly what I am doing. I want that
> website down. It is pure evil, nothing more, nothing less
***Pure evil because it contains your evil words?
AGGreen
***The newsgroup membership requirements are immaterial. If you had the
slightest clue about how the internet works you'd realize that when you post
something from your home in the Bay Area of the Left Coast to Yahoo (which
is in California), the message COULD travel thousands of miles out of the
way (even out of the country) and pass through any number of servers where
bad individuals can intercept and save your messages. Geesh!
OK
List. He warned against reading it because of the flame wars. I did not
heed bt's advice, as usual. That is why our relationship broke down,
because I would not follow his advice and bt got sick and tired of me so
he dumped me.
I just picked up The Internet for Dummies for free today. I am learning.
I am a dummy when it comes to the Internet. It's not the point of the
servers. It's the interest. Why? Who is in Siberia that cares about my
writing? China? America? What's the point of that website? I want it
down. I don't want my daughter's school district finding my writing. A
friend of mine just got tapped by the courts for his blogs. I don't want
that to happen to me for my writing. Get it? That's why I used nyms.
Now, the Indiana List does not allow nyms. So, that is where I came out
initially. And guess whose radar screen that is? BT's. I showed up on
his radar, just like Leo Tolstoy showed up on the radar of the Holy
Synod of his time.
Now, I was sent to the Indiana List by Pokrov. And BT thought that I was
associated with them. I am not. You see, a queen in a chess game for one
year now. All because of CSB. Now do you understand?
AGGreen
***I understand that you are on a playground merry-go-round and don't know
how to get off.
Stephen Adams
>***The newsgroup membership requirements are immaterial. If you had the
>slightest clue about how the internet works you'd realize that when you post
>something from your home in the Bay Area of the Left Coast to Yahoo (which
>is in California), the message COULD travel thousands of miles out of the
>way (even out of the country) and pass through any number of servers where
>bad individuals can intercept and save your messages. Geesh!
Even moreso, the messages are *broadcast* into many mailboxes, and it's
even possible that they are redirected to another list from that list.
Again, trivial to setup.
As for UseNet posts, they are stored on thousands of servers around the
world, and some archive even with the supposed 'no-archive' tag set. No
server has to honor that tag, just as most servers don't honor cancel
messages. Once you post something to UseNet, you have to assume that
it is around forever, and is seen by all.
Only a very foolish person would send ANYTHING to ANYONE on the internet
that they didn't want to get out. The recipient of an email may do anything
they want with it. Legality doesn't matter - once it's out there, it's out
there.
OK
group. That person sent a malicious email to a priest and his email
list, which I am on, that made it look like it came from me. That person
is making fun of me and is implying I am Lucifers Only Lady.
I understand that BT did what he did because he did not approve of me
writing about sexuality in a feminist group. He thinks I am not properly
representing his church. What about all his public talk of orgies and
sex toys and thongs and deep throat and Henry Miller? Oh, I know, double
standard, right? I am just one of his flock. If he thinks I called him
to account then, he has got another thing coming. He wants to dig deep
with me? I will go even deeper. Ever heard the term "bottomless bottom"?
Or how about "pain slut"?
Yes, I am defiant, against his morals. He wants to moralize about
moralizers? Look at him! I think he cut me off because I am his kindred
spirit, and I represent the part of him he cut off, that's what I think.
OK
thing to me "I understand that you... :-D ". I got off the merry go
round of denial years ago. Look that up, journalist. You know I think
this is great. Now you are defending BT? The man you abused for years?
Wow, miracles never cease!
OK
That website states my names, my nyms, my deanery, my diocese, my
jurisdiction, my religion, my conversion and my excommunication. Why?
2. The website started with my writing in a feminist group. Why? The
archives were closed to the public after I joined. Membership requires
approval.
3. BT cross posted my writing from that group in an Orthodox group. Why?
BT is a *censor* and he *censured* me. Get it. Liberal man? Ha! Ultra
conservative that BT.
4. Usenet came *much* later in the game on that website. Check the order
of groups. It started out with messages from groups that require
approval *and* membership for the archives.
5. My server cancels messages. <eg>
6. Foolish is inaccurate. Naive is accurate.
Conclusion: Some man is pimping my mind. But I already said that. Why?
What's he getting paid? I want some. Some one is implying I am an
intellectual slut. Witness the double headers on that website. What's
that all about? Placing double headers on the website of an Orthodox
Christian? I know who approves of sex toys in the Orthodox Church. Do you?
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
AGGreen wrote:
> "Alexander Arnakis" <inv...@address.none> wrote in message
> news:6rg0j2tbtbula1djm...@4ax.com...
> > On 13 Oct 2006 06:35:13 -0700, "Bbd" <big...@hushmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Church of England School Suspends Muslim Teacher for Refusing to Remove
> >>Veil
> >>A Muslim woman has been suspended by a Church of England Junior School
> >>in West Yorkshire, after she refused to remove her veil whilst teaching
> >>young children in lessons.
> >
> > Good! But why only "suspend" her? What business does a militant Moslem
> > have teaching in a supposedly Christian school?
>
>
> ***Since when does anything in the Anglican Communion make sense? <G>
As an Episcopalian, I would like
to refute your statement, but I
can't.
Jim
The only heresy in the TEC,
is orthodoxy
Glorfindel
> AGGreen wrote:
>
>>"Alexander Arnakis" <inv...@address.none> wrote in message
>>news:6rg0j2tbtbula1djm...@4ax.com...
>>>On 13 Oct 2006 06:35:13 -0700, "Bbd" <big...@hushmail.com> wrote:
>>>>Church of England School Suspends Muslim Teacher for Refusing to Remove
>>>>Veil
>>>>A Muslim woman has been suspended by a Church of England Junior School
>>>>in West Yorkshire, after she refused to remove her veil whilst teaching
>>>>young children in lessons.
>>>Good! But why only "suspend" her? What business does a militant Moslem
>>>have teaching in a supposedly Christian school?
Possibly earning a living teaching the subjects she was hired to
teach. Would you say "good" if a Christian teacher in a Moslem
school were required to remove a cross in order to teach arithmetic
or geography to the students? Or *required* to wear a veil?
Learning to know people of different cultures can
only lead to greater tolerance when the exposure is in a
positive social context. Was there any evidence this woman was
indoctrinating the children into Islam? If not, then why demand
she violate her religious principles if she is not violating
those of her employer or her pupils?
<snip>
michael james
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
"The neo-orthodox can accept all
of the Apostles Creed except
under Pontius Pilate" Paul VI of Rome
Jim
De Nile is not only
a river in Egypt
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
I love how you defend a religion that
would put you in a tent but I have never seen
you defend the rights of orthodox Christians?
But then a religion that would put you in a tent
can't be all bad. Hey! I am just joking, but how
about you defending the rights of orthodox
Episcopalians agains revisionist bishops?
I know I'm a dreamer.
Hugh Beyer
> jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
>> AGGreen wrote:
>>
>>>"Alexander Arnakis" <inv...@address.none> wrote in message
>>>news:6rg0j2tbtbula1djm...@4ax.com...
>
>>>>On 13 Oct 2006 06:35:13 -0700, "Bbd" <big...@hushmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>Church of England School Suspends Muslim Teacher for Refusing to Remove
>>>>>Veil
>>>>>A Muslim woman has been suspended by a Church of England Junior School
>>>>>in West Yorkshire, after she refused to remove her veil whilst teaching
>>>>>young children in lessons.
>
>>>>Good! But why only "suspend" her? What business does a militant Moslem
>>>>have teaching in a supposedly Christian school?
>
> Possibly earning a living teaching the subjects she was hired to
> teach. Would you say "good" if a Christian teacher in a Moslem
> school were required to remove a cross in order to teach arithmetic
> or geography to the students? Or *required* to wear a veil?
>
Actually, it wouldn't raise my eyebrows at all if a Christian woman in a
Muslim school was required to wear a veil. You want the job, you conform to
the requirements of it.
And it's perfectly reasonable to require that a teacher allow her students
to see her face.
Hugh
--
Saying evolution proves that God doesn't exist makes as much sense as saying
hammers prove that carpenters don't exist.
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
for not wearing headscarf. None on this thread
complained about that. It's called the
Ye Olde Double standard.
http://www.persecution.org/suffering/newssummpopup.php?newscode=2131
michael james
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
This is what I wrote, "A Christian woman fined and whipped
for not wearing headscarf. None on this thread
complained about that."
Does that mean you only complain
if they have oil?
FYI - Sudan does have oil
michael james
No that means that your country is only interested in countries that
have oil.
Although since as you mention Sudan does have oil one wonders why they
are not worried about democracy enough to send in the US army as in
Iraq "to bring freedom to the people".
The only thing I have heard from Sudan is that a Moslem government is
oppressing Christians in general.
So why are you not writing to congressman to help stop the killing and
rapes and destructions of villages in southern Sudan?
Or are you just going to whine on this newsgroup instead of doing
something real about the thousands who are suffering?
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
you on this episcopal group that
criticizes Islam.
> Although since as you mention Sudan does have oil one wonders why they
> are not worried about democracy enough to send in the US army as in
> Iraq "to bring freedom to the people".
>
One wonders why you won't criticize Islamic
Fascism on this ng.
> The only thing I have heard from Sudan is that a Moslem government is
> oppressing Christians in general.
>
Then criticize them.
> So why are you not writing to congressman to help stop the killing and
> rapes and destructions of villages in southern Sudan?
>
I think getting people to talk about it is more important.
> Or are you just going to whine on this newsgroup instead of doing
> something real about the thousands who are suffering?
>
That's all I can do when people like you
consider it PC never to mention Islamic
Fascism. We need to tell our muslim
friends that Islam needs to give non-muslims
equal rights even in muslim lands.
Jim
A journey of a thousand miles
begins with the first step
michael james
When are you going to stop this childish namecalling
People like me...are you so blind or delusional that you have \
not read my posts where I HAVE posted things about Islamic
fundamentalist violence?
Ot are you just selectively forgetfull, so you can sidestep my
observasion and throw some redherring back in my face.
***
And your endless rant about Politcally correct is really getting old.
Especially when you apply it to anyone who you don't agree with, or have
any personal knowledge of. One would think that is the attitude of a
bigot...are you a bigot Jim? Do you like people calling you a bigot?
How does it feel?
Not nice is it?
Solution.. Take a lesson and stop calling people whom you don't know
these stupic names .
I hope I am clear.
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
Jack Straw made a comment which should
have produced dialog instead of attacks,
where you could have defended his right
of free speech.
> Ot are you just selectively forgetfull, so you can sidestep my
> observasion and throw some redherring back in my face.
>
> ***
> And your endless rant about Politcally correct is really getting old.
> Especially when you apply it to anyone who you don't agree with, or have
> any personal knowledge of. One would think that is the attitude of a
> bigot...are you a bigot Jim? Do you like people calling you a bigot?
>
If it is old why do you keep being PC?
> How does it feel?
> Not nice is it?
>
As to being called "bigot", I have been called
worse.
> Solution.. Take a lesson and stop calling people whom you don't know
> these stupic names .
>
PC isn't a name but a way to suppress free speech imo.
> I hope I am clear.
>
This is what I believe
"I disapprove of what you say,
but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
To me that even includes Jack Straw?
I hope I am clear?
Christian BA employee to take legal action over suspension for
wearing cross
Lets see you condem that?
I suggest you go to the url
and you might read
Bat Ye'or
Islam and Dhimmitude. Where Civilizations Collide
If you have an interest in knowing
the other side
Jim
De Nile is not only
a river in Egypt
> > Jim
michael james
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
I guess asking you to look at
the other side showed I don't
have a clue about you?
Jim
Mr 4:12 - That seeing they may see, and not perceive;
and hearing they may hear, and not understand;