From: Allen Barnett <allen_barn...@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: "Good Anti-Cult Movement"
Date: 1999/07/05
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Carol2180 wrote:
> 
> In article <rognmichFDpFsF....@netcom.com>, rognm...@netcom.com (Roger/Michelle
> Poehlmann) writes:
> 
> >I'm just pointing out the very expensive (but rarely discussed) fees that
> >unlicensed, unsupervised exit counselors charge.  Security team and
> >safehouse rental not included.
> 
> If you are talking about security teams and safehouse rentals, you are no
> longer talking about exit counseling, but about deprogramming. There's a big
> difference.

> Carol Giambalvo
> Visit my Home Page:    http://members.aol.com/carol2180/

It is so nice to have one of those dreaded 'De-Programmers' that Roger
speaks so lowly of - to post here in person.  I trust that Roger will
have some direct communication with you here - on this newsgroup -
instead of slandering you on the fly.  Fingers crossed - no bets
placed.

Roger seems to think that you are getting 'filthy rich' from your
profession.  Tell us, ... do you make as much as the average ICC -
husband/wife evangelist team?  According to the Audit Report that was
published for the LA - ICC,  the guidelines state that benefits for
working for the ICC entitle you to 'lots of money'.  If you are over
35 and work for the ICC church they will fund AUTOMATIC salary
adjustments for your retirement - they will put an extra - above your
salary - $125 to $750 per month into your TSA account.  Do you have
such an account paid for by the members who left the church?  The ICC
provides their full time employees with;  health and dental - life -
long-term disability - and establishes the 403(b) Sheltered Annuity
Account - [as above].  ICC employees - [of any age] - can contribute
their 'minister salaries' - or tax free part thereof - to this account
for added punch.  Many of their regular living expenses are also paid
for by the ICC.  Any job related expenses are paid for by the ICC.  I
know - the ICC bought Kips' condo as a parsonage / an investment - and
he pays the fair market rent from his salary - BUNK !  The ICC spent
$483,000 of their members money for Kips' condo - and it is just a
little apartment on the beach.  Money in - Money out!  No wonder that
Robert Tam is stressed-out by members wanting receipts at tax time.  I
want to see more of the accounting !!

Anyway - Carol - it's really nice to be able to talk to one of the
'ICC created millionaires' here.  I just didn't know that exit
counseling was so good because of the free ads you get on REVEAL. 
Thanks Roger, ... for bringing this up. 

--
Allen Barnett