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religions can be refuted using this one simple doctrine. If proven
right, the religion or any views of more than 6 billion people are
futile,false.
So ,we take into account now three dissenting views on Sabbath.
-Sabbath is on Saturday,
-Sabbath is on Sunday,
-Sabbath is each and every day of a week.
The Adventists are known to hold on to the Saturday as the Sabbath
day.
Most Christian religions hold Sunday as the Sabbath . Harold Camping
who publishes the year 2011 AD as the year of the end of the world
defends Sunday as the Sabbath day.
Then the third view is published by me Obves with my prediction for
2011 AD as the end of the evil world order. Jehovah's Witnesses are
close in their view on Sabbath to mine view and there might be some
other people who are of similar view as I am.
Sabbath is a moral law in nature as it was among 10 commandments .
All other 9 commandments were moral so why the 4th would be
different !
So ,we must transform the ceremonial Sabbath into the moral law.
We must obey 10 commandments every day so the Sabbath must be kept
every day like any other law in 10 commandments.
To make it reality we must recognize that true worshippers of God
Yahweh are under his 7th day which lasts thousands of years.We are
living in the 7th day of God's timeline .That is why as true
christians we keep the Sabbath each and every day of a week at the
same time it is keeping the Sabbath under the 7th day - God's 7th day.
Those who claim that Sabbath is only on Saturday or Sunday rebel
against God's law and are in false religion.
Jesus Christ showed us what the true Sabbath was.
Matthew 11.28:
Come to me ye that labor and are heavy laden and I will give you
rest .
Since Jesus spoke in parables ,metaphors-Matthew 13.11,34-35.
We must see spiritual truths behind his teachings.
Come unto me ye that sin and are heavy laden with sins and I will give
you rest .. the True Sabbath which is a rest from sins.
It is done by God's power alone through our true faith in Jesus -
God's Son so the salvation of our souls is completely done by God ,not
of ourselves ,that we could could not boast.
Camping -my fiercest competitor - speaks about our salvation are a
complete work of God and yet he sticks to the Sunday as the Sabbath
day ! Unknowingly he denies God is our complete Saviour !
gabriel
<OB...@aol.com> wrote:
: True religion must have the Sabbath doctrine in it . Most world
I think you've taken it too far that you "keep the commandments
every day" when applied to keeping the day of the Sabbath:
Exodus 16:23 KJV
23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said,
Tomorrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that
which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and
that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the
morning.
But according to what you're claiming, The LORD couldn't have
said that tomorrow is the rest of the holy sabbath, but instead
today, tomorrow, and every day, is the rest of the holy sabbath.
How do you reconcile your claim with even this one verse
contradicting it?
OB...@aol.com
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There is no contradiction whatsoever .
The Israelites were just one day away from the Sabbath day at that
time .They were to observe Sabbath on coming 7th day ( Saturday ).God
was speaknig at that specific time precisely and it was the Old
Testament era in which literal 7th day of a week was to be observed as
Sabbath day.
Now we are in the New Testament era and thde New Sabbath comes into
view and Matthew 11.28 is a clue.
By God's power a true christian is led out from " Egypt " typified
slavery in sin.
So by God's power I am sinless now because of faith in Jesus.Sins are
no more imputed to me. At the moment I sin that sin is blot out .
The 7th day in our case is we belong to God and we are under his 7th
day that lasts more than 7000 years.
That day began after Adam was created and it was when Jesus was living
on our planet about 2000 years ago and it is still now existing.
That is God's day that is why it is so long while frist Sabbath was
based on man's efforts so the time man used was applicable : 24-hour
day Sabbath that was on literal 7th day of l man's literal week.
gabriel
<OB...@aol.com> wrote:
: On Nov 6, 6:06?pm, gabriel <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com>
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: There is no contradiction whatsoever .
: The Israelites were just one day away from the Sabbath day at that
: time .They were to observe Sabbath on coming 7th day ( Saturday ).God
: was speaknig at that specific time precisely and it was the Old
: Testament era in which literal 7th day of a week was to be observed as
: Sabbath day.
:
: Now we are in the New Testament era and thde New Sabbath comes into
: view and Matthew 11.28 is a clue.
There are no verses to back up the claim that suddenly there's a
new Sabbath day which is every single day. Please show such
verses in the NT that back up this claim.
Exodus 16:23 KJV
23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said,
Tomorrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that
which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and
that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the
morning.
Meanwhile there are many verses that show the sabbath day
continues **even in the NT** to be one day of the week:
Mark 6:2 KJV
2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the
synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From
whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which
is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his
hands?
Mark 15:42 KJV
42 And now when the even was come, because it was the
preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
(according to you every day is the sabbath so there'd be no more
days before the sabbath)
John 19:31 KJV
31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the
bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for
that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their
legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Mark 6:2 KJV
2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the
synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From
whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which
is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his
hands?
Luke 4:16 KJV
16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and,
as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day,
and stood up for to read.
Luke 6:6-7 KJV
6 And it came to pass also on another sabbath, that he entered
into the synagogue and taught: and there was a man whose right
hand was withered.
7 And the scribes and Pharisees watched him, whether he would
heal on the sabbath day; that they might find an accusation
against him.
Luke 13:10 KJV
10 And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath.
Acts 13:14 KJV
14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in
Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat
down.
Acts 13:42 KJV
42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the
Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the
next sabbath.
Acts 16:13 KJV
13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side,
where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto
the women which resorted thither.
Acts 20:7 KJV
7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came
together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart
on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Matthew 28:1 KJV
1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the
first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to
see the sepulchre.
1 Corinthians 16:2 KJV
2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him
in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings
when I come.
And there are many more verses that show the sabbath day is still
just one day out of the week, not now every single day forever.
And meanwhile,
Matthew 11:28-30 KJV
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I
will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and
lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Matthew 11:28 has nothing to do with the sabbath day. It has to
do with people getting rest and peace for their souls by coming
to Christ and placing their trust in Him, believing He is the One
that can take away their sins. It has nothing to do with "rest
because God rested".
And we're not supposed to do any work on the sabbath day. But if
we are to believe every day is the sabbath day, then we are to
never do work again.
So again, what you claim is contradicted by dozens of verses in
the NT.
:
: By God's power a true christian is led out from " Egypt " typified
OB...@aol.com
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For the Jews of the Old Testament the literal 7th day of the literal
week was to be a holy day .
To true christians each day of a week is holy as they must be holy
each day.
Matthew 28.1 is commonly used by Harold Camping to prove the Old
Testament Sabbath was changed .He says Sunday is the Sabbath as it can
be construed so from the reference.
He uses the Greek word that was mistranslated by translators of the
King James Bible.
"In the end of the Sabbath when it began to dawn towards the first of
the Sabbaths ". The Saturday Sabbath Jesus was in grave was the last
one and now a new era of new sabbaths began.
To me it doesn't make a big difference if we can say : when it began
to dawn towards the first day of a week.
If we know the Sabbath is also like number seven.
In my interpretation is :
"In the end of the Sabbaths ( Old Testament Sabbaths ) when it began
to dawn towards the first of the ( new era ) of Sabbaths ( New
Testament Sabbaths) ."
Listen to Open Forum program by Harold Camping how easily he beats up
those who call him and want to prove the 7th day Sabbath is on
Saturday ,not on Sunday.
Hebrews 4.1-11 is a very good reference to prove my point there is a
new day of rest for God's people and we know that Jesus gives that
rest according to Matthew 11.28 : " and I will give you rest ".
In actuality it is God that gives that rest through Jesus to us .
gabriel
<OB...@aol.com> wrote:
: On Nov 7, 7:48?am, gabriel <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com>
What you claim is still contradicted by dozens of verses in the
NT that you continue to ignore. Here are some of them again that
you continue to delete and not address:
There are many verses that show the sabbath day
And meanwhile,
because God rested" towards people who are already God's
children.
And we're not supposed to do any work on the sabbath day. But if
we are to believe every day is the sabbath day, then we are to
never do work again.
And family radio continues to refer to Sunday as our day of rest
and worship, so your claim about Camping and Family Radio is
contradicted by what they continue to broadcast.
But it seems clear you will not address any of this, but delete
it all as usual and just say "every day is the sabbath" -
unfortunatley, dozens of verses clearly say otherwise. I suggest
you stop teaching what is clearly contradictary to what the Bible
actually says. You seem to know it, proving you know it because
you continue to avoid all the verses that say otherwise. =(
Florence B. Nitengail
"gabriel" <gabriel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> But it seems clear you will not address any of this, but delete
> it all as usual and just say "every day is the sabbath" -
> unfortunatley, dozens of verses clearly say otherwise. I suggest
> you stop teaching what is clearly contradictary to what the Bible
> actually says. You seem to know it, proving you know it because
> you continue to avoid all the verses that say otherwise. =(
You're wasting your time trying to reason with OBVES. He's already claimed
he was chose by God as the only man on earth who can interpret the bible and
what it means. He's also admitted he never read the bible. He has a really
unhealthy attachment to this Camping con-man on the radio.
Elijahovah
> You're wasting your time trying to reason with OBVES. He's already claimed
> he was chose by God as the only man on earth who can interpret the bible and
> what it means. He's also admitted he never read the bible. He has a really
> unhealthy attachment to this Camping con-man on the radio.
Oh shucks, I thought that was ME.
Have you ever thought maybe the guy is retarded, and you pick on him
way too much, if he is.
Elijahovah
over work. The year sabbath was to prevent mineral depletion since
crop rotation of clover replenish wasnt known. Quit calling anything
dirty that has been cleaned. But do recognize things dirty that have
not been cleansed, because man going to heaven is not the solution to
human life as if what God created is not good but corrupt. Those taken
to heaven need not worry about corrupt flesh because they drop it
behind them at death; but their purpose in heaven is to help humans
get over and past and above the corruption they create in the flesh
that need not exist in perfect flesh as God created it. Perfect is an
anti-biotic system that keeps you well, or heals your sickness quick.
Corrupt is the person who thinks the anti-biotic system created by God
is never used or you never get sick if perfect. Perfect is the body
who gets sick and then heals. There is no wrong in mistakes that get
corrected, there is wrong in mistakes uncorrected which then lead to
death.
OBVES is a big mistake needing correcting or he will die. There is no
reason to pick on him. You should tell others how OBVES is wrong, not
tell OBVES how he is wrong.
ELIJAH
Florence B. Nitengail
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He's not retarded. He's going insane if he's not there already. There's
quite a difference.
OB...@aol.com
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Not only that you don't understand what real Sabbath us in the
Bible ,you don't understand my explanations of the Bible on Sabbath.
Jeff
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Not only that you don't understand what real Sabbath us in the
Bible ,you don't understand my explanations of the Bible on Sabbath.
Why do you think your explanations of the Sabbath determine which religion
is the truth? I don't think god is working thru any one person today. Jesus
said by THEIR fruits you will know THEM. Not YOU, but THEM.
OB...@aol.com
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Sabbath the way I understood from the Bible shows us that our
salvation is completely in hands of God .
By God's power we become holy each day of a week only.God is working
out our salvation while we are resting spiritually.
By God's power true worshippers are being freed from sins each and
every day so they are holy and the days they are as such are holy
days.
Sabbath was a holy day.
gabriel
<OB...@aol.com> wrote:
: On Nov 7, 11:51?am, gabriel <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com>
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: Not only that you don't understand what real Sabbath us in the
: Bible ,you don't understand my explanations of the Bible on Sabbath.
You continue to say that while completely ignoring the facts I
present to you that completely contradict your claims. Seems
clear you realize the truth as you continue to run from them.
Here they are again.
old man joe
>On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:50:51 -0800 (PST), "OB...@aol.com"
><OB...@aol.com> wrote:
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>: On Nov 7, 11:51?am, gabriel <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com>
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>: Not only that you don't understand what real Sabbath us in the
>: Bible ,you don't understand my explanations of the Bible on Sabbath.
>
>You continue to say that while completely ignoring the facts I
>present to you that completely contradict your claims. Seems
>clear you realize the truth as you continue to run from them.
>Here they are again.
>
>What you claim is still contradicted by dozens of verses in the
>NT that you continue to ignore. Here are some of them again that
>you continue to delete and not address:
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>There are many verses that show the sabbath day
>continues **even in the NT** to be one day of the week:
the Sabbath is on Sunday according to Mt. 28:1. anyone with a Concordance can see the
poor, vey poor, translation of Mt. 28:1. the translator's rendered the word " week " from
the word " Sabbath " in that verse. it should read in the KJV " In the end of the Sabbath
as it began to dawn toward the first Sabbath... "
Sabbath is on a Sunday.
furthermore, verses in the Gospels prior to the Resurrection of Christ where the word
" Sabbath " is found is on the OT side of the cross. its on Resurrection Sunday that the
Sabbath is moved by God to Sunday.
Mt. 11:28 - 30 has everything to do with the Sabbath rest. the elect rest from the labor
of salvation by works... which the elect do everyday of the week by reason of Christ
paying the penalty of the sins of His elect ones. these have peace with God because of
having been given the Life and the faith of Jesus Christ who did the work of fulfilling
the requirements of the Law for them.
OB...@aol.com
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No translators did a very good job as the word Sabbath has two
meanings and both are valid !
We can say in Matthew 28.1 " at the end of the old sabbaths when it
began to dawn towards the first of the sabbaths.that is to say when it
began to dawn towards the first day of a week or the first sabbath
which Sunday was and then we have conscutive days of sabbath days in a
week .
Satan rules over the most churches today and where the doctrine of the
trinity and Sunday as Sabbath is taught we have a good proof for
that !
Salavation is completely in hands of God Yahweh at any time time of a
week .Each day is a holy day that is Sabbath for the true worshippers
of Yahweh.
The view on Sunday as Sabbath is known to me from Open Forum whose
host is Harold Camping from the Family Radio Stations he best explains
the Sunday as Sabbath and he is dead wrong .
OB...@aol.com
not the rest Camping and you are teaching about .It is a rest from
burden of sins and only one man can give such a relief - rest.
If you have a nice wife and have good sex you can have a very good
rest for years as a result.
Someone having a fortune or profitable businesss can rest free of
worries for years.
Parish *~
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How is it you don't have a wife and children OBVES? Why would no woman
marry you?
Parish *~
<OB...@aol.com> wrote in message
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The view on Sunday as Sabbath is known to me from Open Forum whose
host is Harold Camping from the Family Radio Stations he best explains
the Sunday as Sabbath and he is dead wrong .
If he's dead wrong, and everyone knows he's a scam artist... why do you
listen to his show?
OB...@aol.com
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He's got some good points that make him special and I can learn from
him some things .
Parish *~
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What points make him special? His same obsession with doomsday you have?
What else?
OB...@aol.com
Each and every day of our week is the Sabbath day as propagated by
OBVES and by Jehovah's Witnesses.There are some other christians that
may teach the same .
Harold Camping and most churches propagate Sunday as Sabbath which is
dead wrong.
Some churches teach about Saturday as Sabbath day and that is also
unbiblical !
Sockie
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Do you have any pets? Where do you exercise?