Re: Eco-apocalypticism and the new world order
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
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> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:45:03 -0000, "John Cooper"
> <bl...@bishop1960.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>God predicted through Pharoah's dreams that he was going to bring 7 years
>>of
>>plenty on Egypt followed by 7 years famine. Joseph advised Pharoah to act
>>on this information and horde grain during the good years so that he could
>>feed his people during the years of dearth - Genesis chapter 41.
>
> How many boards would the Mongols hoard if the Mongol hordes got bored?
He's at it again folks....asking nutty questions which are irrelevant to
most serious thinking Christians......{;o;}
And he still hasn't answered whether he was was baptised AFTER he came to a
knowledge of Christ.
__
Veff...
The most dangerous enemies to Christ are those who pretend to be his
friends, but are not faithful to his doctrine or the doctrine of his
ordained
Apostles.
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Steve Hayes
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>"Steve Hayes" <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:45:03 -0000, "John Cooper"
>> <bl...@bishop1960.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>God predicted through Pharoah's dreams that he was going to bring 7 years
>>>of
>>>plenty on Egypt followed by 7 years famine. Joseph advised Pharoah to act
>>>on this information and horde grain during the good years so that he could
>>>feed his people during the years of dearth - Genesis chapter 41.
>>
>> How many boards would the Mongols hoard if the Mongol hordes got bored?
>
>He's at it again folks....asking nutty questions which are irrelevant to
>most serious thinking Christians......{;o;}
The "question:"is a mnemonic, offered to the previous poster as an aid to
remembering the difference between "horde" and "hoard".
As for asking nutty questions, your practice of giving facetious or evasive
answers to theological questions makes it impossible to have a serious
theological discussion with you.
See:
http://www.emergingafrica.info/blog/2009/12/22/missional-and-assumptional
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:23:30 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
> <broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>"Steve Hayes" <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote in message
>>news:2af0j5hj4jgfu4ajd...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:45:03 -0000, "John Cooper"
>>> <bl...@bishop1960.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>God predicted through Pharoah's dreams that he was going to bring 7
>>>>years
>>>>of
>>>>plenty on Egypt followed by 7 years famine. Joseph advised Pharoah to
>>>>act
>>>>on this information and horde grain during the good years so that he
>>>>could
>>>>feed his people during the years of dearth - Genesis chapter 41.
>>>
>>> How many boards would the Mongols hoard if the Mongol hordes got bored?
>>
>>He's at it again folks....asking nutty questions which are irrelevant to
>>most serious thinking Christians......{;o;}
>
> The "question:"is a mnemonic, offered to the previous poster as an aid to
> remembering the difference between "horde" and "hoard".
But of very little relevance, not like the serious unanswered questions
regarding belief and baptism.
> As for asking nutty questions,
You ask questions a 7year old still imbibing "The milk of the word" and
bought up "In the nurture and admonition of the Lord" would know.
"13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness:
for he is a babe. 14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age,
even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both
good and evil." Heb 5:12-14 (KJV)
>your practice of giving facetious or evasive
> answers
>to theological questions
Wow! such irony!
So when are you going to find the courage to answer the "Strong meat" .....
'theological question' of whether you were baptised after you came to a
knowledge of Christ, as both he and Peter has commanded of the faithful?
__
Veff...
"16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in
doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee."
1 Tim 4:16 (KJV)
Steve Hayes
<broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Are you being insulting because you can't answer the question, or because you
don't want to?
>
>>your practice of giving facetious or evasive
>> answers
>>to theological questions
>
>Wow! such irony!
Do you know what "irony" means?
>So when are you going to find the courage to answer the "Strong meat" .....
>'theological question' of whether you were baptised after you came to a
>knowledge of Christ, as both he and Peter has commanded of the faithful?
It's not a theological question at all.
And it bega a lot of questions, including the one I originally asked, which
you still haven't answered.
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
> On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:21:00 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
> <broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>So when are you going to find the courage to answer the "Strong meat"
>>.....
>>'theological question' of whether you were baptised after you came to a
>>knowledge of Christ, as both he and Peter has commanded of the faithful?
>
> It's not a theological question at all.
Well, now I know you aren't just an incompetent Pastor or whatever you call
yourself, you just don't have a clue of what are two of the most important
items today, to be able to enter God's Kingdom.
I pity your flock who won't have a chance of getting into God's Kingdom if
they have followed your example and refused to be baptised after coming to
a belief in Christ.
Sadly your ignorance of 1st Century Christian teaching will have bought
them only to death's door, just as the many other sects and denominations
have done.
__
Veff...
As Jesus stated to enter the Kingdom ......."You MUST be BORN again" a
second time ........ of WATER and of the Spirit.
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see
the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when
he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of
water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God". John
3:3-5 (KJV)
Have you been given the spiritual understanding to grasp that?
Steve Hayes
<broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>Well, now I know you aren't just an incompetent Pastor or whatever you call
>yourself, you just don't have a clue of what are two of the most important
>items today, to be able to enter God's Kingdom.
>
>I pity your flock who won't have a chance of getting into God's Kingdom if
>they have followed your example and refused to be baptised after coming to
>a belief in Christ.
>Sadly your ignorance of 1st Century Christian teaching will have bought
>them only to death's door, just as the many other sects and denominations
>have done.
And a merry Christmas to you too.
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:44:22 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
> <broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>Well, now I know you aren't just an incompetent Pastor or whatever you
>>call
>>yourself, you just don't have a clue of what are two of the most important
>>items today, to be able to enter God's Kingdom.
>>
>>I pity your flock who won't have a chance of getting into God's Kingdom if
>>they have followed your example and refused to be baptised after coming
>>to
>>a belief in Christ.
>>Sadly your ignorance of 1st Century Christian teaching will have bought
>>them only to death's door, just as the many other sects and denominations
>>have done.
>
> And a merry Christmas to you too.
Oh! dear! yet another own goal, I fear, Steve.
I don't celebrate such a Pagan infested festival.....{;o;}
Far better to get yourself and your flock baptised "Born again of water" a
second time, so they are able to "Put on Christ" and so be able to qualify
to enter God's coming Kingdom.
__
Veff...
"You MUST be born again"
Steve Hayes
<broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>Far better to get yourself and your flock baptised "Born again of water" a
>second time, so they are able to "Put on Christ" and so be able to qualify
>to enter God's coming Kingdom.
Well now, if you were to do that you might not merely qualify for his coming
kingdom but enter his present one.
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:27:11 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
> <broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>Far better to get yourself and your flock baptised "Born again of water" a
>>second time, so they are able to "Put on Christ" and so be able to qualify
>>to enter God's coming Kingdom.
>
> Well now, if you were to do
Done it already, Steve, 34 years ago.....and counting.
>that you might not merely qualify for his coming
> kingdom but enter his present one.
Well I certainly hope that you and your flock have spiritual insight to get
yourselves
baptised [and thus "born of water" a second time] in the coming
year.....{;o;}
Regards for the New Year.
Jeff...
Steve Hayes
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>"Steve Hayes" <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:27:11 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
>> <broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Far better to get yourself and your flock baptised "Born again of water" a
>>>second time, so they are able to "Put on Christ" and so be able to qualify
>>>to enter God's coming Kingdom.
>>
>> Well now, if you were to do
>
>Done it already, Steve, 34 years ago.....and counting.
That's a moot point.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://khanya.wordpress.com
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
The instruments of the churl are evil: he deviseth
wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words,
even when the needy speaketh right.
But the liberal deviseth liberal things;
and by liberal things shall he stand (Isaiah 32:7-8).
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 08:47:32 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
> <broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>"Steve Hayes" <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote in message
>>news:uej8j591rmp7r1vie...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:27:11 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic
>>> Traditionalist"
>>> <broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Far better to get yourself and your flock baptised "Born again of water"
>>>>a
>>>>second time, so they are able to "Put on Christ" and so be able to
>>>>qualify
>>>>to enter God's coming Kingdom.
>>>
>>> Well now, if you were to do
>>
>>Done it already, Steve, 34 years ago.....and counting.
>
> That's a moot point.
Perhaps to the unbaptised after belief, who refuse to obey Christ and be
baptised, but not to those who respect Scripture teaching for the proving of
the faithful.
__
Veff...
Steve Hayes
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>"Steve Hayes" <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote in message
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>> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 08:47:32 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
>> <broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Steve Hayes" <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote in message
>>>news:uej8j591rmp7r1vie...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:27:11 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic
>>>> Traditionalist"
>>>> <broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Far better to get yourself and your flock baptised "Born again of water"
>>>>>a
>>>>>second time, so they are able to "Put on Christ" and so be able to
>>>>>qualify
>>>>>to enter God's coming Kingdom.
>>>>
>>>> Well now, if you were to do
>>>
>>>Done it already, Steve, 34 years ago.....and counting.
>>
>> That's a moot point.
>
>Perhaps to the unbaptised after belief, who refuse to obey Christ and be
>baptised, but not to those who respect Scripture teaching for the proving of
>the faithful.
Whatever that means.
Steve Hayes
<broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>"Steve Hayes" <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:45:03 -0000, "John Cooper"
>> <bl...@bishop1960.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>God predicted through Pharoah's dreams that he was going to bring 7 years
>>>of
>>>plenty on Egypt followed by 7 years famine. Joseph advised Pharoah to act
>>>on this information and horde grain during the good years so that he could
>>>feed his people during the years of dearth - Genesis chapter 41.
>>
>> How many boards would the Mongols hoard if the Mongol hordes got bored?
>
>He's at it again folks....asking nutty questions which are irrelevant to
>most serious thinking Christians......{;o;}
>And he still hasn't answered whether he was was baptised AFTER he came to a
>knowledge of Christ.
>__
>Veff...
Q: what does Veff mean by saying that Jesus was an adult believer?
A: Wolfram|Alpha isn't sure how to compute an answer from your input
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Yes it's pretty hopeless Steve, it cannot even 'compute' "baptised as an
adult" or "baptised AFTER coming to a knowledge of Christ" ......even a 7
year old human...."bought up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord",
understands those simple statements.......{;o;}
__
Veff...
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
It seems you don't really understand very much when it comes to down to NT
teaching on belief AFTER baptism.
Here's some help......
Jesus states..."16 He that believeth AND is baptized shall be
saved" Mark 16:16 (KJV)
Never did he say "He that is christened [which is not a 1st Cen. baptism]
and comes to a belief in me later in life shall be saved"
In Acts we read....12 But WHEN they believed Philip preaching the things
concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were
baptized, both men and women." Acts 8:12 (KJV)
What would be the point of being baptised BEFORE they actually believed in
Christ, it would be pointless and a complete waste of time.
Having no belief in Christ "Hinders" even authentic water immersion baptism,
let alone the man contrived useless phony attempt at baptism known as baby
'christening'.
Below we see an example of Jesus' own words of "He that believeth AND
is......baptised shall be saved".
"36 And as they continued along on the way, they came to some water, and the
eunuch exclaimed, See, [here is] water! What is to hinder my being baptized?
37 And Philip said, *If you believe with all your heart* [if you have a
conviction, full of joyful trust, that Jesus is the Messiah and accept Him
as the Author of your salvation in the kingdom of God, giving Him your
obedience, then] you may. And he replied, I do believe that Jesus Christ is
the Son of God.
38And he ordered that the chariot be stopped; and both
Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and [Philip] baptized him."
Acts 8:36-38 (Amplified Bible)
How can new-born babies ever "believe [in Christ] with all their hearts" or
"have a conviction, full of joyful trust, that Jesus is the Messiah and
accept Him as the Author of your salvation in the kingdom of God" ?
It's impossible as we all know!
What advice does Peter give the wise and faithful...."37 Now when they heard
this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and the rest of
the apostles, Brethren, what shall we do?
38 And Peter said unto them,
Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto
the remission of your sins;"
Acts 2:37-38 (ASV)
Notice the act of an AUTHENTIC baptism ONCE belief has occurred, brings
about a remarkable thing, it allows the one being baptised to have his past
sins remised or forgiven.
That's what the NT teaches.
Thus a fraudulent baby 'christening' which was never taught, let alone
practiced by the Apostles,
is of no intrinsic value whatsoever before Almighty God, their sins remain
and are never forgiven from birth to death.
And again....
"Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these
should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord." Acts
10:46-48 (KJV)
Notice it was a command, Steve.....not a request!
__
Veff...
Steve Hayes
Ok, so I take it that that means you are an adoptionist -- the Jesus was
baptised AFTER he came to a knowledge of Christ.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
duke
<broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>It seems you don't really understand very much when it comes to down to NT
>teaching on belief AFTER baptism.
>Here's some help......
>Jesus states..."16 He that believeth AND is baptized shall be
>saved" Mark 16:16 (KJV)
He was talking to adults at that time, who would not have submitted to baptism
sans belief.
>Never did he say "He that is christened [which is not a 1st Cen. baptism]
>and comes to a belief in me later in life shall be saved"
Yes he did. When he said the children belong to the kingdom of God and that
only the baptized will see the kingdom of God.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:35:18 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
> <broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>> Q: what does Veff mean by saying that Jesus was an adult believer?
>>>
>>> A: Wolfram|Alpha isn't sure how to compute an answer from your input
>>> http://www.wolframalpha.com/
>>
>>
>>Yes it's pretty hopeless Steve, it cannot even 'compute' "baptised as an
>>adult" or "baptised AFTER coming to a knowledge of Christ" ......even a 7
>>year old human...."bought up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord",
>>understands those simple statements.......{;o;}
>
> Ok, so I take it that that means you are an adoptionist -- the Jesus was
> baptised AFTER he came to a knowledge of Christ.
After God wanted him to be baptised...."To fulfill ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS"
Wow! what a statement, if you even half understood it, Steve, you would be
baptised by water immersion P.D.Q.
__
Veff...
Steve Hayes
<broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>"Steve Hayes" <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:35:18 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
>> <broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Q: what does Veff mean by saying that Jesus was an adult believer?
>>>>
>>>> A: Wolfram|Alpha isn't sure how to compute an answer from your input
>>>> http://www.wolframalpha.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes it's pretty hopeless Steve, it cannot even 'compute' "baptised as an
>>>adult" or "baptised AFTER coming to a knowledge of Christ" ......even a 7
>>>year old human...."bought up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord",
>>>understands those simple statements.......{;o;}
>>
>> Ok, so I take it that that means you are an adoptionist -- the Jesus was
>> baptised AFTER he came to a knowledge of Christ.
>
>After God wanted him to be baptised...."To fulfill ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS"
>Wow! what a statement, if you even half understood it, Steve, you would be
>baptised by water immersion P.D.Q.
You keep sayibng that it is so simple that a child of 7 could understand it.
Then you should surely be capable of giving an explanation that anyone,
including a child of seven, could understand. But you don't.
What do you mean by "baptism"?
What do you mean by "believer", especailly in the case of Jesus?
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:05:28 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
> <broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>"Steve Hayes" <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote in message
>>news:as4cj5ptsnq4vkm51...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:35:18 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic
>>> Traditionalist"
>>> <broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Q: what does Veff mean by saying that Jesus was an adult believer?
>>>>>
>>>>> A: Wolfram|Alpha isn't sure how to compute an answer from your input
>>>>> http://www.wolframalpha.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes it's pretty hopeless Steve, it cannot even 'compute' "baptised as
>>>>an
>>>>adult" or "baptised AFTER coming to a knowledge of Christ" ......even a
>>>>7
>>>>year old human...."bought up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord",
>>>>understands those simple statements.......{;o;}
>>>
>>> Ok, so I take it that that means you are an adoptionist -- the Jesus was
>>> baptised AFTER he came to a knowledge of Christ.
>>
>>After God wanted him to be baptised...."To fulfill ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS"
>>Wow! what a statement, if you even half understood it, Steve, you would
>>be
>>baptised by water immersion P.D.Q.
>
> You keep sayibng that it is so simple that a child of 7 could understand
> it.
Right. So now you are a grown man get yourself baptised and become an
authentic Christian.
> Then you should surely be capable of giving an explanation that anyone,
> including a child of seven, could understand. But you don't.
It doesn't need anymore explanation to what has been posted already.
> What do you mean by "baptism"?
Check your Strongs and enlighten yourself.
> What do you mean by "believer", especailly in the case of Jesus?
Do your own studying, Steve, you must have a Bible/Strong's Concordance get
to work and start using them.
__
Veff...
Steve Hayes
Oh I know what *I* understand by "believer" all right. I don't need to do a
great deal of studying.
But your statement that Jesus was baptised as an "adult believer" looks like
absolute nonsense to me.
I thought it would be better to give you the benefit of the doubt, and ask you
to explain it, something that you have utterly failed to do, whether in terms
understandable to a child of seven or anyone else of any age at all.
You've had plenty of opportunity, but have failed to make use of it, so I take
it that my original conclusion is correct, that your statement that Jesus was
baptised as an "adult believer" is meaningless nonsense, an inappropriate
cliche sucked from 19th-century post-Enlightenment modernist theology, and
bearing as little relation to 1st century Christianity as the theory of
phlogiston does to the analysis of combustion.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:39:41 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
> <broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>> What do you mean by "believer", especailly in the case of Jesus?
>>
>>Do your own studying, Steve, you must have a Bible/Strong's Concordance
>>get
>>to work and start using them.
>
> Oh I know what *I* understand by "believer" all right. I don't need to do
> a
> great deal of studying.
>
> But your statement that Jesus was baptised as an "adult believer" looks
> like
> absolute nonsense to me.
>
> I thought it would be better to give you the benefit of the doubt, and ask
> you
> to explain it, something that you have utterly failed to do, whether in
> terms
> understandable to a child of seven or anyone else of any age at all.
Well, if you haven't the simple mind of a child, you will never understand
it, or be allowed into Christ's kingdom as he has stated.
This is why you are meant to reject being baptised after coming to a belief
in Christ.
> You've had plenty of opportunity, but have failed to make use of it, so I
> take
> it that my original conclusion is correct, that your statement that Jesus
> was
> baptised as an "adult believer" is meaningless nonsense, an inappropriate
> cliche sucked from 19th-century post-Enlightenment modernist theology, and
> bearing as little relation to 1st century Christianity as the theory of
> phlogiston does to the analysis of combustion.
Suit yourself, act as dense and as difficult as wish....but you still need
to get baptised as an "Adult believer" yourself, just as Christ set the
example, if you want anyone to take you seriously about calling yourself a
Christian.
__
Veff...
Steve Hayes
<broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>"Steve Hayes" <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote in message
>news:1g2fj5poqmnfqmhud...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:39:41 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
>> <broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> What do you mean by "believer", especailly in the case of Jesus?
>>>
>>>Do your own studying, Steve, you must have a Bible/Strong's Concordance
>>>get
>>>to work and start using them.
>>
>> Oh I know what *I* understand by "believer" all right. I don't need to do
>> a
>> great deal of studying.
>>
>> But your statement that Jesus was baptised as an "adult believer" looks
>> like
>> absolute nonsense to me.
>>
>> I thought it would be better to give you the benefit of the doubt, and ask
>> you
>> to explain it, something that you have utterly failed to do, whether in
>> terms
>> understandable to a child of seven or anyone else of any age at all.
>
>Well, if you haven't the simple mind of a child, you will never understand
>it, or be allowed into Christ's kingdom as he has stated.
>This is why you are meant to reject being baptised after coming to a belief
>in Christ.
So your inability to explain things that can be understood by the simple mind
of a child shows that you lack such a mind.
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
They need no explaining to those genuinely "Called by God".......who
understand the importance of hearkening to Christ's command to be baptised
AFTER coming to believe in him.
Only rebels and reprobates who adamantly refuse to be obedient to Christ's
calling to be baptised after belief, will remain in their "spiritual
darkness" as to what 'adult believer' means.
__
Veff...
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
news:7phejh...@mid.individual.net...> wrote in message news:7pcu58...@mid.individual.net...
John stated...
>>>Things are quite quiet on earth at the moment,
[ Famous last words, John...{;o;} ]
You didn't have to wait long for a Divine reply, did you Steve?
"Moment earthquake shook Haiti"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/7038298/Moment-earthquake-shook-Haiti.html
The woman filming the clip stated....."The world is coming to an end"
I doubt she would have agreed with your "Small fry, Jeff. Small fry"
comment.
Neither will the survivors of the possibly 100 to 200,000 dead either, or
would the myriads of orphans agree with your flippant comment.
>> You must have missed all the sea and wind, rain driven, and rising tide
>> [and possibly new flu ] catastrophes over the past few years then?
>
> Small fry, Jeff. Small fry. If you really believe that the prophecies
> are
> right now being fulfilled,
I do indeed, and the words were hardly out of your mouth, John.
> and that Christ's Coming is right before the
> door, then I can understand your desire to wrap things up swiftly.
That's right......"12 waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of
God, by reason of which [the] heavens, being on fire, shall be dissolved,
and [the] elements, burning with heat, shall melt?" 2 Peter 3:11-12 (Darby)
> But I really think that if you were to see these things coming true in
> reality,
Which we have been given another Divine warning of in practicality.
> even you would balk at the suffering to humanity,
How can I 'balk at' what has been intended through Divine prophesies to come
to pass, and is so doing in my life experiences?
This would mean I disapprove of God's methods of warnings and Divine
retribution on evil people and their contaminated offspring.
>for the things of which we
> read will not always be occurring in far-off irrelevant places to people
> we
> don't know.
Then let us say with Christ....."35 For as a snare shall it come on all them
that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray
always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that
shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." Luke 21:35-36 (KJV)
> Myself, I do not get a kick out anticipating disasters.
It means the return of the Lord is imminent.....when all the world will be
punished for it's evil ways and disobedience to God.....and a new world
order will begin when the Lord and his saints will rule the world as Christ
has stated "With a ROD of IRON" were sin and evil works will be as severely
dealt with as in the days of Moses when God ruled over His nation Israel.
> I sense no thrill at impending tragedies.
What does the Psalmist have to say?
"5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.
6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two-edged sword in
their hand; 7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon
the people; 8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters
of iron; 9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this *Honour* have all
his saints." Psalms 149:4-9 (KJV)
Is it an honour you don't want or even look forward to then?
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Veff...
Can you understand it is all necessary to bring to an end the pride and
arrogance of men & women in all nations have refused to obey God's Laws in
their own lives?