Big Bad U.S.A.
vernono
Jay Leno wrote this; it's the Jay Leno we don't often see....
As most of you know I am not a President Bush fan, nor have I ever
been, but this is not about Bush, it is about us, as Americans, and it seems
to hit the mark.
'The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across some Poll
data I found rather hard to believe. It must be true given the source,
right?
The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are
unhappy with the direction the country is headed and 69 percent of the
country is unhappy with the performance of the President.
In essence 2/3 of the citizenry just ain't happy and want a change. So being
the knuckle dragger I am, I started thinking, 'What are we so unhappy
about?''
A.. Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a
day, 7 Days a week?
B.. Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in
the summer and heating in the winter?
C.. Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a
job?
D. Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any
time and see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last year?
E.. Maybe it is the ability to drive our cars and trucks from the
Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to present identification
papers as we move through each state?
F.. Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would
find along the way that can provide temporary shelter?
G.. I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine
from around the world is just not good enough either.
H. Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers
show up and provide services to help all and even send a helicopter to take
you to the hospital.
I.. Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a
home.
J. You may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of a
fire, a group of trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top
notch equipment to extinguish the flames, thus saving you, your family, and
your belongings.
K.. Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen
TVs, a burglar or prowler intrudes, an officer equipped with a gun and a
bullet-proof vest will come to defend you and your family against attack or
loss.
L.. This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or
militias raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90% of
teenagers own cell phones and computers.
M.. How about the complete religious, social and political
freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world?
Maybe that is what has 67% of you folks unhappy.
Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the
world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S. , yet has a great
disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed
people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don't have,
and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good Lord we live
here.
I know, I know. What about the president who took us into war and
has no plan to get us out? The president who has a measly 31 percent
approval rating? Is this the same president who guided the nation in the
dark days after 9/11? The president that cut taxes to bring an economy out
of recession? Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in
the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled ungrateful brats safe
from terrorist attacks? The commander in chief of an all-volunteer army that
is out there defending you and me?
Did you hear how bad the President is on the news or talk show?
Did this news affect you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn't take a
look around for yourself and see all the good things and be glad? Think
about it......are you upset at the President because he actually caused you
personal pain OR is it because the 'Media' told you he was failing to kiss
your sorry ungrateful behind every day. Make no mistake about it.
The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve, and
in many cases may have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft
in this country. They didn't have to go. They are able to refuse to go and
end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an 'other than honorable''
discharge or, worst case scenario, a ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few
days in the brig.
So why then the flat-out discontentment in the minds of 69 percent
of Americans?
Say what you want but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds it
leads and they specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash
with blood and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the
corner? The media knows this and media outlets are for-profit corporations.
They offer what sells, and when criticized, try to defend their actions by
'justifying' them in one way or another. Just ask why they tried to allow a
murderer like OJ. Simpson to write a book about how he didn't kill his wife,
but if he did he would have done it this way......Insane!
Turn off the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of
your bird cage. Then start being grateful for all we have as country. There
is exponentially more good than bad. We are among the most blessed people
on Earth and should thank God several times a day, or at least be thankful
and appreciative.' 'With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud
slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end
to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, 'Are we
sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?'
Jay Leno
Please keep this in circulation. There are so many people who
need to read this and grasp the truth of it all.
Scout Lady
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vernono
I thought it was good.
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Scout Lady
"john w @yahoo.com>" <j<no> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:31:28 -0400, "Scout Lady"
> <scou...@noospam.net> wrote:
> Š 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>It was Craig R. Smith who wrote it not Jay Leno. Good stuff.
>
> but all he gets is a "It was Craig R Smith... not Jay Leno. Good
> stuff!"
>
> If I had named the source wrong, there would be a LONG line of people
> telling me what an idiot I am!
>
> But not vern!
>
If you had of named the wrong source and it was pointed out to you your
response would be that I am trying to castrate you, that I am a bitch and to
tell me to stfu. It would take you 2-3 posts to get it all out as well.
> Interesting.
>
Not really since you still haven't figured out that you reap what you sow.
That said I will point out once again that you took a thread that wasn't
about you and turned it into something about you like a typical narcissist.
Robibnikoff
"john w @yahoo.com>" <j<no> whined:
>
> If I had named the source wrong, there would be a LONG line of people
> telling me what an idiot I am!
Funny, but what makes you think this thread had anything to do with you,
johnnie?
You have a pathological need for attention.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
If you can't be a good example....
You'll just have to be a horrible warning.
<Kelly>
> Not only THAT, but we live in a world today where we can come online
> in places like Usenet, and ridicule and libel those who "just don't
> seem to """ measure up."""
Oh, you measure up - as a narcisstic, bi-polar sociopath who doesn't
adhere to his medication reginmen (and is a pathological liar to
boot).
> While we sleep in our cozy beds,
Is your bed cozy? That's good - it's important to get a good night's
sleep. Personally, I have a Sleep Number Bed along with a goose
feather bed-pad on top. Nice!
>we can remain INTOLERANT of others!
You are probably the most intolerant in here, John. You tolerate no
one who doesn't think you to be everything you delusionally claim
yourself to be and believe every word that eminates from your
fingertips.
ujb
that's me papa porn 2 a *T*
CB
> Interesting! So you are saying that vernon got the source wrong,
>but all he gets is a "It was Craig R Smith... not Jay Leno. Good
>stuff!"
Please tell us how you can get credit for it, johnnie.
CB
> If I had named the source wrong, there would be a LONG line of people
>telling me what an idiot I am!
Wrong.
People tell you that you are an idiot because you are an idiot!!
vernono
WorldNetDaily.com in November 2006 under the title "Made in the U.S.A.:
Spoiled Brats."
"Scout Lady" <scou...@noospam.net> wrote in message
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>
> "john w @yahoo.com>" <j<no> wrote in message
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>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:31:28 -0400, "Scout Lady"
>> <scou...@noospam.net> wrote:
>> © 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
Robibnikoff
"john w @yahoo.com>" <j<no> whined:
> Stupid person. Listen up. It's not the correcting that's
> objectionable. There are people in here who correct me and who don't
> insult me while they're doing it.
Oh please, name one.
Robibnikoff
"john w @yahoo.com>" <j<no> wailed:
>
> ^ ^ ^^^ You're back to pretending to be a psychiatrist again,
> bitch.
Charming.
galia
This was one post worth reading..
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> Thanks!
> This was one post worth reading..
>
Scout Lady
"john w @yahoo.com>" <j<no> wrote in message
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>
> and believe every word that eminates from your
>>fingertips.
>
> You mis-spelled "emanates."
>
Hey short bus, there should not be a hyphen in "misspelled".
> And I haven't lied about my career or my accomplishements.
>
Hey short bus, you misspelled "accomplishments".
Scout Lady
> x-no-archive: yes
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:18:13 -0400, "Scout Lady"
> <scou...@noospam.net> wrote:
> Š 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>
>>"john w @yahoo.com>" <j<no> wrote in message
>>news:g7ln74d8smsvka9pe...@4ax.com...
>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:31:28 -0400, "Scout Lady"
>>> <scou...@noospam.net> wrote:
>>> Š 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
>>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>>It was Craig R. Smith who wrote it not Jay Leno. Good stuff.
>>>
>>> Interesting! So you are saying that vernon got the source wrong,
>>> but all he gets is a "It was Craig R Smith... not Jay Leno. Good
>>> stuff!"
>>>
>>> If I had named the source wrong, there would be a LONG line of people
>>> telling me what an idiot I am!
>>>
>>> But not vern!
>>>
>>If you had of named the
>
>
> Where did you learn English?
>
> You don't need the "of".
>
> " If you had named the "
>
> wrong source and it was pointed out to you your
>>response would be that I am trying to castrate you,
>
> objectionable. There are people in here who correct me and who don't
> insult me while they're doing it.
>
>
> John, you gave the wrong source.
>
> "You're wrong, as usual!"
>
> that I am a bitch and to
>>tell me to stfu.
>
>
> It would take you 2-3 posts to get it all out as well.
>>
>>> Interesting.
>>>
>>Not really since you still haven't figured out that you reap what you sow.
>
>
>>
>>That said I will point out once again that you took a thread that wasn't
>>about you and turned it into something about you like a typical
>>narcissist.
>
>
> bitch
>
Thanks for proving my point short bus.
<Kelly>
> ^ ^ ^^^ You're back to pretending to be a psychiatrist again,
> bitch.
>
> ^ ^ ^^ And that's libel, and you're projecting.
>
> You're what's called a "shark" in Usenet.
>
> You bit the wrong leg, and I'm gonna tear your head off!
Okay...this is definitely going to be archived. Another threat of
bodily harm from John Derieux Weatherly of Seattle, WA.
> You're gonna be easy pickin's!
Okey dokey, John. I'm ready and waiting (along with my own personal
arsenal). Bring it on.
All a woman has to claim is that she has been made to fear for her
life...
Chloe
>
> "galia" <ga...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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>> Thanks!
>> This was one post worth reading..
>>
> I missed you galia, how have you been?
Hey Scout,
I am alright; I just took a much needed break from this ng.
Not much has changed with our *N*; I hope he is not shaking in his booties,
fearing I might stay?! lol
Nah, I won't get involved with him anymore; it's a waste of time, if you ask
me.
galia
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galia
> news:g5i3ka$4uj$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Thanks!
>> This was one post worth reading..
>>
> I missed you galia, how have you been?
Have been very busy in the past few months, not much time for newsgroup
reading.
Any changes here? I guess, I have to stick around for a while to find out?!
polaris
John Henry
> x-no-archive: yes
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:31:28 -0400, "Scout Lady"
> <scou...@noospam.net> wrote:
> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>> It was Craig R. Smith who wrote it not Jay Leno. Good stuff.
>
> Interesting! So you are saying that vernon got the source wrong,
> but all he gets is a "It was Craig R Smith... not Jay Leno. Good
> stuff!"
>
> If I had named the source wrong, there would be a LONG line of people
> telling me what an idiot I am!
>
> But not vern!
>
Not that you will understand even this, but the message of this post is
more powerful than your imagination and insecurity.
Jani
"John Henry" <john...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> john w <j wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:31:28 -0400, "Scout Lady"
>> <scou...@noospam.net> wrote:
>>> It was Craig R. Smith who wrote it not Jay Leno. Good stuff.
>>
>> Interesting! So you are saying that vernon got the source wrong,
>> but all he gets is a "It was Craig R Smith... not Jay Leno. Good
>> stuff!"
>>
>> If I had named the source wrong, there would be a LONG line of people
>> telling me what an idiot I am!
>>
>> But not vern!
>>
>> Interesting.
>
> Not that you will understand even this, but the message of this post is
> more powerful than your imagination and insecurity.
Yes .... the writer, whoever he is, seems to think that all Americans are
quite amazingly affluent and privileged. Cars and fancy restaurants and
widescreen TVs just appear as if by magic, and there's no underclass working
three jobs below living wage to provide them. I think he should spend a week
behind the counter in retail, or better still, food service.
Jani
<Kelly>
> Yes .... the writer, whoever he is, seems to think that all Americans are
> quite amazingly affluent and privileged. Cars and fancy restaurants and
> widescreen TVs just appear as if by magic,
They do. It's called credit.
John Henry
> x-no-archive: yes
> wrote:
> Š 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
> in places like Usenet, and ridicule and libel those who "just don't
> seem to """ measure up."""
>
>
> Praise the Lord!
>
This is about you again, is it not?
ujb
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> <scou...@noospam.net> wrote:
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> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>> "john w @yahoo.com>" <j<no> wrote in message
>> news:l8ao74dbkigmnku8i...@4ax.com...
>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:18:13 -0400, "Scout Lady"
>>> <scou...@noospam.net> wrote:
>>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>> "john w @yahoo.com>" <j<no> wrote in message
>>>> news:g7ln74d8smsvka9pe...@4ax.com...
>>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:31:28 -0400, "Scout Lady"
>>>>> <scou...@noospam.net> wrote:
> epithets as "short bus."
>
> Boy, did she get to you!
Who papa porn?
Jani
"<Kelly>" <316...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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And then it's called repo :(
Jani
John Henry
would love the opportunity to join our "underclass," work our "retail,"
and work our "food service." Our underclass is wealthy compared to the
underclass of other countries, and maybe we should learn to appreciate
that fact.
> Jani
>
>
Jani
Oh, poverty is relative, I grant you. But you only have to read some of the
weblogs and comms, let alone someone like Ehrenreich, to see that the US has
a significant rich/poor divide, and a lot of inequality. I don't think it's
wrong for Americans to balk at that, and say that there's something not
right about their society - it would be a lot worse if they *didn't*, in
fact.
Jani
vernono
"Jani" <ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> wrote in message
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So thank you for telling us that you are dense and probably too lazy to get
a job.
I have spent quite a bit of time in retail and food service. I did go to
college and made more.
I also didn't buy a car or house beyond my means. It's like last week on
T.V. a guy getting in line for free food and some clothing. He was driving a
$35,000.00 pick-up. The T.V. commentator only talked of how "poor" this guy
was.
BTW, when I was in retail there were MANY there that took care of
themselves, had reasonable cars, one or more children, had more than one
T.V. etc. etc.
Now get your head out of your self serving, lazy butt and realize that the
scenario printed was VERY accurate.
Note that it deals in percentages ( something you may learn if you go back
and finish 4th grade.
vernono
Yep like all the Mexicans who come here work for illegal wages and have
money to send home to relatives in Mexico.
Our solution to illegal immigration should be to trade those Mexicans for
the "Jani's". Trade the Mexicans for the leaches.
Robibnikoff
"john w @yahoo.com>" <j<no> lied:
>
> And you whine when I [rightly] call you 'bitch."
Loon, the only one who whines in here is YOU. Stop projecting.
vernono
In case you didn't know (you don't), Jesus said we will ALWAYS have the poor
with us.
In the U.S, if one is destitute or even mildly poor, they are fed, clothed
and housed.
Do YOU want to do something about it. Get off your butt and go help. YES
YOU, not the government.
<Kelly>
> Yep like all the Mexicans who come here work for illegal wages and have
> money to send home to relatives in Mexico.
You mean like *your* relatives, Vern? The ones that you said work in
the fields...hmmm?
> Our solution to illegal immigration should be to trade those Mexicans for
> the "Jani's". Trade the Mexicans for the leaches
She lives in the UK, Vern. Sheesh - get an education.
Robibnikoff
Scout Lady
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> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:04:21 -0400, "Scout Lady"
> <scou...@noospam.net> wrote:
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> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>
>>"john w @yahoo.com>" <j<no> wrote in message
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>>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:18:13 -0400, "Scout Lady"
>>> <scou...@noospam.net> wrote:
>>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>>
>>>>"john w @yahoo.com>" <j<no> wrote in message
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>>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:31:28 -0400, "Scout Lady"
>>>>> <scou...@noospam.net> wrote:
> epithets as "short bus."
>
>
one reaps what he sows.
Scout Lady
>
> "Scout Lady" <scou...@noospam.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "galia" <ga...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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>>> Thanks!
>>> This was one post worth reading..
>>>
>> I missed you galia, how have you been?
>
> Have been very busy in the past few months, not much time for newsgroup
> reading.
> Any changes here? I guess, I have to stick around for a while to find
> out?!
>
day.
Scout Lady
other countries.
Scout Lady
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> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:03:02 -0400, "Scout Lady"
> <scou...@noospam.net> wrote:
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> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>
>>news:46go74dqf20h5eesl...@4ax.com...
>>
>>>
>>> and believe every word that eminates from your
>>>>fingertips.
>>>
>>> You mis-spelled "emanates."
>>>
>>Hey short bus, there should not be a hyphen in "misspelled".
>
> I can remember when you chastised Elaine the Insane for such
> epithets as "short bus." Boy, did she get to you!
>
>>
>>> And I haven't lied about my career or my accomplishements.
>>>
>>Hey short bus, you misspelled "accomplishments".
>
> I can remember when you chastised Elaine the Insane for such
> epithets as "short bus." Boy, did she get to you!
>
> And you whine when I [rightly] call you 'bitch."
>
> You are getting what you deserve!
>
> Where have I heard that ? ^ ^^
>
I laugh when you call me a bitch short bus after all, you are also known as
the Queen Liar of usenet.
ujb
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> wrote:
> Š 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
> die merely because they can't afford the health care the rich assume.
but stupid, more die every year who have health care then who don't.
> I don't think it's
>> wrong for Americans to balk at that, and say that there's something not
>> right about their society - it would be a lot worse if they *didn't*, in
>> fact.
>
> And some of our finest, our military, don't get proper health care,
> and yet,
wrong shortbus
> they are under contract (to DOD) that they are not ALLOWED to
> seek "outside [of the military] medical care.
no stupid, again you're wrong, I now, as we speak use military and
private all the time. you really are the retard we all call you! You go
into private and when the danger is over they may move you to a
military, or they may not, but you'll have a say in it. Military beds
are few, and in use, so they place many in private beds.
sweet sweet
>> Jani
>
<Kelly>
> x-no-archive: yes
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:02:03 -0700 (PDT), "<Kelly>"<316k...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> © 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>
>
> >> Not only THAT, but we live in a world today where we can come online
> >> in places like Usenet, and ridicule and libel those who "just don't
> >> seem to """ measure up."""
>
>
> Like I said:
>
> we live in a world today where we can come online>> in places like Usenet, and ridicule and libel those who "just don't
> >> seem to """ measure up."""
>
>
> ^ ^ ^^ How could you POSSIBLY know that ^ ^ ^?
Inside sources.
> You don't. AGAIN, you lie, you exaggerate,
> and you embellish.
>
> (and is a pathological liar to
>
> >boot).
>
> ^ ^ ^ Prove it.
Didn't you already write this post earlier today?
vernono
"ujb" <u...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:g5jfvs$397$1...@aioe.org...
> john w <j wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:14:39 +0100, "Jani" <ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk>
>> wrote:
Exactly.
I had appendicitis. I was told to go to Manchester Hospital (England) They
tested and I had an appendectomy. After three days they paid for an English
ambulance to transport me to the base hospital where I complained that it
hurt when I laughed. Three days later I went back to work. Oh yes, while
at the base I had to get up every morning, make my bed and wash the floor
around me. The point is that the military takes care of its own in the most
expeditious manner.
I don't know how well they do with mental retards, so jw may have a point.
CB
> You are a bitch.
Yep, this is the johnnie boy we all know.
CB
> Yep. There are plenty of poor folks in America who are ill and who
>die merely because they can't afford the health care the rich assume.
sucks, huh?
ujb
> "ujb" <u...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:g5jfvs$397$1...@aioe.org...
>> john w <j wrote:
>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:14:39 +0100, "Jani" <ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
2 years ago (July 07, 2006 - July 29, 06) I was in a private rehab
because of no beds. I was in a two person room, but the general 3 doors
down they had his two person room converted to a one person because the
few large rooms were taken, and he didn't have the rank to displace a
civilian, but VA's money! haha
ujb
vernono
"CB" <count...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:37:46 -0700, john w <j<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> You are a bitch.
>
> Yep, this is the johnnie boy we all know.
Well I have had some nice bitches. Right now it's a little one but yaps too
much.
Of course the best a linguistically challenged retard can call someone is a
dog.
vernono
"ujb" <u...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:g5jnk4$stn$1...@aioe.org...
> vernono wrote:
>> "ujb" <u...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:g5jfvs$397$1...@aioe.org...
>>> john w <j wrote:
>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:14:39 +0100, "Jani" <ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
I've had the same as the General but because my insurance pays for private
room.
vernono
Actually the death rate is no higher for the poor. Could this be that the
rich have high priced idiot Doctors. That's what we need, Gov't paid, gov't
trained, govt dictated methods. We will then have doctors we can depend
upon such as the drugs promoted by FDA, AMA.
SURE
<Kelly>
> You are truly too stupid for words.
Am I? I'm not the one borrowing a line from someone you consider an
enemy, that would be you.
Oh, and BTW - Delta Force is on AMC right now - that's one of your
favorite movies, isn't it? Or do you even get cable TV? Nah...you
probably only get the local channels...
Robibnikoff
"john w @yahoo.com>" <j<no> babbled:
>
> Yep. They harvest our food, they cook and serve it to us, and they
> clean our houses.
>
> They're typically called "illegals."
Really? Where I live, they're called "immigrants".
Robibnikoff
"john w @yahoo.com>" <j<no> whined:
>
> You don't. AGAIN, you lie, you exaggerate,
> and you embellish.
And that's YOUR job, right johnnie?
Robibnikoff
"john w @yahoo.com>" <j<no> babbled:
>
> You are truly too stupid for words.
Always stealing the work of others.
Jani
Very convenient of him, really.
> In the U.S, if one is destitute or even mildly poor, they are fed, clothed
> and housed.
Some are. Many aren't.
> Do YOU want to do something about it. Get off your butt and go help. YES
> YOU, not the government.
You want Brits to come over and deal with American social welfare problems?
We have our own, thanks.
Jani
Jani
As I said elsethread, poverty is relative, and so is affluence. Even so, I
doubt if a poor American actually has more than a well-off Nigerian, say.
Jani
Jani
>
> "CB" <count...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3tnq74thm80vtmmab...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:03:48 -0700, john w <j<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yep. There are plenty of poor folks in America who are ill and who
>>>die merely because they can't afford the health care the rich assume.
>>
>> sucks, huh?
>>
>
> Actually the death rate is no higher for the poor.
The UN report from a couple of years ago suggests otherwise:
http://www.countercurrents.org/us-vallely090905.htm
Jani
Jani
>
> "Jani" <ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:g5ivrn$2a57$1...@energise.enta.net...
>>
>> "John Henry" <john...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:g5iuaj$4nk$1...@aioe.org...
>>> john w <j wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:31:28 -0400, "Scout Lady"
>>>> <scou...@noospam.net> wrote:
>>>>> It was Craig R. Smith who wrote it not Jay Leno. Good stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting! So you are saying that vernon got the source wrong,
>>>> but all he gets is a "It was Craig R Smith... not Jay Leno. Good
>>>> stuff!"
>>>>
>>>> If I had named the source wrong, there would be a LONG line of people
>>>> telling me what an idiot I am!
>>>>
>>>> But not vern!
>>>>
>>>> Interesting.
>>>
>>> Not that you will understand even this, but the message of this post is
>>> more powerful than your imagination and insecurity.
>>
>> Yes .... the writer, whoever he is, seems to think that all Americans are
>> quite amazingly affluent and privileged. Cars and fancy restaurants and
>> widescreen TVs just appear as if by magic, and there's no underclass
>> working three jobs below living wage to provide them. I think he should
>> spend a week behind the counter in retail, or better still, food service.
>>
>> Jani
>>
>>
>
> get a job.
Neither dense nor lazy, and apart from a brief period when my daughters were
babies, I've always had a job.
> I have spent quite a bit of time in retail and food service. I did go to
> college and made more.
> I also didn't buy a car or house beyond my means. It's like last week on
> T.V. a guy getting in line for free food and some clothing. He was driving
> a $35,000.00 pick-up. The T.V. commentator only talked of how "poor" this
> guy was.
Maybe he was, indeed, a scrounger. Or maybe his car was the only asset he
owned, bought when times were better or inherited from family.
>
> BTW, when I was in retail there were MANY there that took care of
> themselves, had reasonable cars, one or more children, had more than one
> T.V. etc. etc.
If you have a decent rate of pay, job security, and the chance to accumulate
solid assets, sure, you can survive well in any field. Not so easy on
below-minimum wage, in an area with a large labour pool and at-will
dismissal, especially if you have family to support.
> Now get your head out of your self serving, lazy butt and realize that the
> scenario printed was VERY accurate.
Why am I 'self serving' or 'lazy' because I object to inequality?
>
> Note that it deals in percentages ( something you may learn if you go back
> and finish 4th grade.
It doesn't 'deal in percentages', it mentions percentages here and there. If
you know anything about statistics, which apparently you don't, you'd know
that a phrase such as "67% of Americans" is pretty meaningless without some
indication of how the sampling was done or how the research parameters were
framed. And even accurate stats can be ambiguous; he says, for example, that
"70% of Americans own a home". Does he mean that, literally, 70% of the
total adult population are homeowners, or that 70% of dwellings have an
owner-occupier - along with their spouse, adult children, lodgers, etc, who
are *not* homeowners? Same statistic, but a very different number of
*actual* homeowners as a percentage of the total adult population.
Jani
John Henry
>> Jani wrote:
>>>
>>> "John Henry" <john...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:g5iuaj$4nk$1...@aioe.org...
>>>> john w <j wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:31:28 -0400, "Scout Lady"
>>>>> <scou...@noospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>> It was Craig R. Smith who wrote it not Jay Leno. Good stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting! So you are saying that vernon got the source wrong,
>>>>> but all he gets is a "It was Craig R Smith... not Jay Leno. Good
>>>>> stuff!"
>>>>>
>>>>> If I had named the source wrong, there would be a LONG line of people
>>>>> telling me what an idiot I am!
>>>>>
>>>>> But not vern!
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting.
>>>>
>>>> Not that you will understand even this, but the message of this post
>>>> is more powerful than your imagination and insecurity.
>>>
>>> Yes .... the writer, whoever he is, seems to think that all Americans
>>> are quite amazingly affluent and privileged. Cars and fancy
>>> restaurants and widescreen TVs just appear as if by magic, and
>>> there's no underclass working three jobs below living wage to provide
>>> them. I think he should spend a week behind the counter in retail, or
>>> better still, food service.
>>>
>> would love the opportunity to join our "underclass," work our
>> "retail," and work our "food service." Our underclass is wealthy
>> compared to the underclass of other countries, and maybe we should
>> learn to appreciate that fact.
>
> Oh, poverty is relative, I grant you. But you only have to read some of
> the weblogs and comms, let alone someone like Ehrenreich, to see that
> the US has a significant rich/poor divide, and a lot of inequality. I
> don't think it's wrong for Americans to balk at that, and say that
> there's something not right about their society - it would be a lot
> worse if they *didn't*, in fact.
>
threw in an abbreviation, which you might not be familiar with, and
would you consider it fair if I dropped the name of someone, who you
might not know? Did you expect me to drop everything I'm doing, just in
order to figure out how this term and this name fits into the present
discussion?
>
>
> Jani
>
Dexker Been
for you to do a little research on you own if you realy would like to
know what;s going on in the world you live in. That other John "the
retard" needs his hand held, who would have ever even presumed you did
too? :-)
Dexker
> >
>>
>> Jani
>>
Jani
Comms are web communities. I suppose if you only use Usenet you wouldn't
have known that. Barbara Ehrenreich, though, is pretty well known.
http://www.amazon.com/Nickel-Dimed-Not-Getting-America/dp/0805063889/ref=ed_oe_h
Would you appreciate it if I
> threw in an abbreviation, which you might not be familiar with, and would
> you consider it fair if I dropped the name of someone, who you might not
> know?
Wouldn't bother me at all. I'd go and look it up.
Did you expect me to drop everything I'm doing, just in
> order to figure out how this term and this name fits into the present
> discussion?
Good grief, I don't "expect" you to do anything. Are you always this
melodramatic when someone mentions an author you don't know?
Jani
John Henry
> x-no-archive: yes
> wrote:
> Š 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
> clean our houses.
>
> They're typically called "illegals."
>
underclass of other countries? Why do legals or illegals prefer being
the underclass in this country over being the underclass in their own
country? I'll tell you why, it's precisely because "our underclass is
wealthy compared to the underclass of other countries." And,
apparently, there are too many of us who don't appreciate that one,
simple fact.
>
> , and maybe we should learn to appreciate
>> that fact.
>>
>>>
>>>
>
Scout Lady
Jani
Just pointing out that even in countries considered 'poor' overall, the
well-off will be pretty much on a par with affluent elites elsewhere. Have a
look at any international conglomerate of government ministers or business
chiefs: none of them will be living in trailers and claiming food stamps, no
matter which country they come from.
Jani
DOC
>
> We all do, bitch.
Watch the gutter mouth, weatherless-- you've been told numerous times
before.
DOC
>Scout Lady sez:
>>Thanks for proving my point short bus.
>
liar-johnnie moaned and whined:
> I can remember when you chastised Elaine the Insane for such
>epithets as "short bus."
>
> Boy, did she get to you!
Aw, tough, little boy.
Stop BEHAVING like a short-bus, and people would stop calling you one.
DOC
>
> Yep. There are plenty of poor folks in America who are ill and who
>die merely because they can't afford the health care the rich assume.
What are you whining about, liar-johnnie? The government pays for your
keep. Actually, I should say the TAXPAYERS.
Where you even LIVE is paid for you.
\
So quit complaining, you ungrateful old wretch.
DOC
>
> And some of our finest, our military, don't get proper health care,
>and yet, they are under contract (to DOD) that they are not ALLOWED to
>seek "outside [of the military] medical care.
More retardation evidenced...
DOC
>
> While we sleep in our cozy beds, we can remain INTOLERANT of others!
Yes, you described yourself perfectly, johnnie.
DOC
>
> ^ ^ ^^^ You're back to pretending to be a psychiatrist again,
>bitch.
>
WATCH that gutter mouth, weatherless. How many warnings do you need?
>
> ^ ^ ^^ And that's libel, and you're projecting.
>
Can the crap, liar-johnnie.
> You're what's called a "shark" in Usenet.
>
> You bit the wrong leg, and I'm gonna tear your head off!
>
MORE IDLE THREATS, little man? You couldn't tear your way out of a wet
paper bag.
> Ask if I give a crap.
>
>>
MOUTH........
>
>smirk. And you are a pathological liar.
>
More projecting, I see... but if you don't gove a crap, take a
laxative.
>
> You are now projecting.
>
No, but YOU ARE.
> and believe every word that eminates from your
>>fingertips.
>
> You mis-spelled "emanates."
>
How many errors have YOU made, liar-johnnie? You, who 'claims' to be
such a professional wordsmith!
> And I haven't lied about my career or my accomplishements.
>
Bollocks.
> You've libeled me AGAIN!
>
> You're gonna be easy pickin's!
>
Sure. Sure, liar-johnnie. You'll sue everybody in Usenet, right old
boy?
DOC
<scou...@noospam.net> wrote:
>
>"john w @yahoo.com>" <j<no> wrote in message
>news:46go74dqf20h5eesl...@4ax.com...
>
>>
>> and believe every word that eminates from your
>>>fingertips.
>>
>> You mis-spelled "emanates."
>>
>Hey short bus, there should not be a hyphen in "misspelled".
>
>> And I haven't lied about my career or my accomplishements.
>>
>Hey short bus, you misspelled "accomplishments".
>
That's our little short bus!!! :O)
DOC
>
> And you whine when I [rightly] call you 'bitch."
MOUTH...
DOC
<316...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jul 14, 11:19 pm, john w <j<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> ^ ^ ^^^ You're back to pretending to be a psychiatrist again,
>> bitch.
>>
>> ^ ^ ^^ And that's libel, and you're projecting.
>>
>> You're what's called a "shark" in Usenet.
>>
>> You bit the wrong leg, and I'm gonna tear your head off!
>
>Okay...this is definitely going to be archived. Another threat of
>bodily harm from John Derieux Weatherly of Seattle, WA.
>
Need his address?
>> You're gonna be easy pickin's!
>
>Okey dokey, John. I'm ready and waiting (along with my own personal
>arsenal). Bring it on.
>
>All a woman has to claim is that she has been made to fear for her
>life...
DOC
>x-no-archive: yes
>On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:03:07 -0700 (PDT), "<Kelly>"
><316...@gmail.com> wrote:
> © 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>On Jul 14, 11:19 pm, john w <j<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ^ ^ ^^^ You're back to pretending to be a psychiatrist again,
>>> bitch.
>>>
>>> ^ ^ ^^ And that's libel, and you're projecting.
>>>
>>> You're what's called a "shark" in Usenet.
>>>
>>> You bit the wrong leg, and I'm gonna tear your head off!
>>
>>Okay...this is definitely going to be archived. Another threat of
>>bodily harm from John Derieux Weatherly of Seattle, WA.
>>
>>> You're gonna be easy pickin's!
>>
>>Okey dokey, John. I'm ready and waiting (along with my own personal
>>arsenal). Bring it on.
>
> You are truly too stupid for words.
No -- YOU ARE.
<Kelly>
> As I said elsethread, poverty is relative, and so is affluence. Even so, I
> doubt if a poor American actually has more than a well-off Nigerian, say.
I've been there. Believe me, in many instances, they do (if, by "well-
off" you don't mean "wealthy").
<Kelly>
> >> Oh, poverty is relative, I grant you. But you only have to read some of
> >> the weblogs and comms, let alone someone like Ehrenreich, to see that the
> >> US has a significant rich/poor divide, and a lot of inequality. I don't
> >> think it's wrong for Americans to balk at that, and say that there's
> >> something not right about their society - it would be a lot worse if they
> >> *didn't*, in fact.
> > What's "comms" and who's "Ehrenreich?"
> Comms are web communities. I suppose if you only use Usenet you wouldn't
> have known that. Barbara Ehrenreich, though, is pretty well known.
Don't be surprised he doesn't know who she is.
> > Would you appreciate it if I
> > threw in an abbreviation, which you might not be familiar with, and would
> > you consider it fair if I dropped the name of someone, who you might not
> > know?
> Wouldn't bother me at all. I'd go and look it up.
As would most who are naturally curious and open to doing their own
research.
> > Did you expect me to drop everything I'm doing, just in
> > order to figure out how this term and this name fits into the present
> > discussion?
> Good grief, I don't "expect" you to do anything. Are you always this
> melodramatic when someone mentions an author you don't know?
Yes, he is frequently melodramatic - especially with strong,
intelligent women (likely due to his Napoleonic complex and need for a
big truck to compensate, then couple that with balding...you get the
picture ;-)
John Henry
that not everyone gets their news and information from the same places
that you do? You see, you were implying that [had I read what you've
read] we would be "on the same wave-length," and that's not only
presumptuous, but preposterous.
>
> Barbara Ehrenreich, though, is pretty well known.
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Nickel-Dimed-Not-Getting-America/dp/0805063889/ref=ed_oe_h
>
No wonder I never heard of her...she's a liberal malcontent.
>
> Would you appreciate it if I
>> threw in an abbreviation, which you might not be familiar with, and
>> would you consider it fair if I dropped the name of someone, who you
>> might not know?
>
> Wouldn't bother me at all. I'd go and look it up.
>
>
> Did you expect me to drop everything I'm doing, just in
>> order to figure out how this term and this name fits into the present
>> discussion?
>
> Good grief, I don't "expect" you to do anything. Are you always this
> melodramatic when someone mentions an author you don't know?
Are you always this defense when someone lets you know that you
shouldn't expect others to know the same abbreviations and the same
people which you know, and to automatically know how it fits?
Listen, the U.S. is not without its problems; however, the facts are
that there are compelling reasons why more people come here than leave
here, and some of those very reasons are in the post that opened this
thread, and which were uttered by Leno.
There will always be the poor among us, just like there will always be
whiners, complainers, negative-thinkers, malcontents, and liberals.
>
> Jani
>
vernono
Rod
Elaine, I have some more critter photos if you want to copy them,
some are pretty cute.
John Henry
>> Jani wrote:
>>> "John Henry" <john...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:g5iuaj$4nk$1...@aioe.org...
>>>> john w <j wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:31:28 -0400, "Scout Lady"
>>>>> <scou...@noospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>> It was Craig R. Smith who wrote it not Jay Leno. Good stuff.
>>>>> Interesting! So you are saying that vernon got the source wrong,
>>>>> but all he gets is a "It was Craig R Smith... not Jay Leno. Good
>>>>> stuff!"
>>>>>
>>>>> If I had named the source wrong, there would be a LONG line of people
>>>>> telling me what an idiot I am!
>>>>>
>>>>> But not vern!
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting.
>>>> Not that you will understand even this, but the message of this post is
>>>> more powerful than your imagination and insecurity.
>>> Yes .... the writer, whoever he is, seems to think that all Americans are
>>> quite amazingly affluent and privileged. Cars and fancy restaurants and
>>> widescreen TVs just appear as if by magic, and there's no underclass
>>> working three jobs below living wage to provide them. I think he should
>>> spend a week behind the counter in retail, or better still, food service.
>>>
>> Okay, but there are plenty of people, living outside of the U.S., who
>> would love the opportunity to join our "underclass," work our "retail,"
>> and work our "food service." Our underclass is wealthy compared to the
>> that fact.
>>
>
>
> money to send home to relatives in Mexico.
>
> Our solution to illegal immigration should be to trade those Mexicans for
> the "Jani's". Trade the Mexicans for the leaches.
>
>
I understand your point, but are they all "Mexicans?" Could these also
be people from other countries such as Cuba, El Salvador, Peru, and
Puerto Rico?
vernono
But you bitch and look down on those in retail.
Whine whine whine
>
>
>> I have spent quite a bit of time in retail and food service. I did go to
>> college and made more.
>> I also didn't buy a car or house beyond my means. It's like last week on
>> T.V. a guy getting in line for free food and some clothing. He was
>> driving a $35,000.00 pick-up. The T.V. commentator only talked of how
>> "poor" this guy was.
>
> Maybe he was, indeed, a scrounger. Or maybe his car was the only asset he
> owned, bought when times were better or inherited from family.
You REALLY don't know what's going on. You live in your own cloistered
world.
You have to be one sheltered, uneducated malcontent to not see daily
representations of this guy.
As I said before, you have NEVER spent much time working directly with or
for the poor. You are obviously a Liberal AKA NAZI, Socialist (let the
government do it)
>
>>
>> BTW, when I was in retail there were MANY there that took care of
>> themselves, had reasonable cars, one or more children, had more than one
>> T.V. etc. etc.
>
> If you have a decent rate of pay, job security, and the chance to
> accumulate solid assets, sure, you can survive well in any field. Not so
> easy on below-minimum wage, in an area with a large labour pool and
> at-will dismissal, especially if you have family to support.
I repeat what I said above.
Few legals are below minimum and I have never worked where "at-will
dismissal" is not standard. That includes multi million / billion dollar
corps and the people dismissed in the 6 figure world.
What have you done, personally to help?
>
>
>> Now get your head out of your self serving, lazy butt and realize that
>> the scenario printed was VERY accurate.
>
> Why am I 'self serving' or 'lazy' because I object to inequality?
>
>>
>> Note that it deals in percentages ( something you may learn if you go
>> back and finish 4th grade.
>
> It doesn't 'deal in percentages', it mentions percentages here and there.
> If you know anything about statistics, which apparently you don't, you'd
> know that a phrase such as "67% of Americans" is pretty meaningless
> without some indication of how the sampling was done or how the research
> parameters were framed. And even accurate stats can be ambiguous; he says,
> for example, that "70% of Americans own a home". Does he mean that,
> literally, 70% of the total adult population are homeowners, or that 70%
> of dwellings have an owner-occupier - along with their spouse, adult
> children, lodgers, etc, who are *not* homeowners? Same statistic, but a
> very different number of *actual* homeowners as a percentage of the total
> adult population.
>
> Jani
>
As I said the Liberal AKA NAZI socialist is blind AND ignorant of
statistics. I suppose you have 12 units of college studies in stats. ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha.
Are you certain that it is not the fault of those Jewish bankers?
Of course you TOTALLY missed the idea that home "owner" means paying on a
home, probably at a lower rate than a renter.
vernono
Your point?????
Why the pointing to international conglomerate of government ministers or
business chiefs.
The original post was not about them.
I heard your diatribe from Nazis in Germany. EXACTLY the same.
SCUM
How many poor people have you had in your house for dinner?
We have had hundreds.
When I was young, in the late depression years, I asked my mother what that
sign was on the little retaining wall in front of our house (rented house).
I was told that it was a message to anyone in need of a meal. Many times a
"bum" would knock on our front door. My mother would bring them a plate of
food which they would eat on our front steps.
Gee, didn't my mother work? Yes. she managed to get a job sewing Army
overcoats at home. My father was a truck driver (near minimum wage)
We moved and bought our own house, a partially converted barn. (City
electricity, well water with a hand pump and cesspool)
vernono
>>>> Jani wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "John Henry" <john...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:g5iuaj$4nk$1...@aioe.org...
>>>>>> john w <j wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:31:28 -0400, "Scout Lady"
>>>>>>> <scou...@noospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> It was Craig R. Smith who wrote it not Jay Leno. Good stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting! So you are saying that vernon got the source wrong,
>>>>>>> but all he gets is a "It was Craig R Smith... not Jay Leno. Good
>>>>>>> stuff!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I had named the source wrong, there would be a LONG line of
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> telling me what an idiot I am!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But not vern!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not that you will understand even this, but the message of this post
>>>>>> is more powerful than your imagination and insecurity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes .... the writer, whoever he is, seems to think that all Americans
>>>>> are quite amazingly affluent and privileged. Cars and fancy
>>>>> restaurants and widescreen TVs just appear as if by magic, and there's
>>>>> no underclass working three jobs below living wage to provide them. I
>>>>> think he should spend a week behind the counter in retail, or better
>>>>> still, food service.
>>>>>
>>>> would love the opportunity to join our "underclass," work our "retail,"
>>>> and work our "food service." Our underclass is wealthy compared to the
>>>> underclass of other countries, and maybe we should learn to appreciate
>>>> that fact.
>>>
>>> the weblogs and comms, let alone someone like Ehrenreich, to see that
>>> the US has a significant rich/poor divide, and a lot of inequality. I
>>> don't think it's wrong for Americans to balk at that, and say that
>>> there's something not right about their society - it would be a lot
>>> worse if they *didn't*, in fact.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> In case you didn't know (you don't), Jesus said we will ALWAYS have the
>> poor with us.
>
> Very convenient of him, really.
>
>
>> In the U.S, if one is destitute or even mildly poor, they are fed,
>> clothed and housed.
>
> Some are. Many aren't.
You know nothing.
>
>> Do YOU want to do something about it. Get off your butt and go help.
>> YES YOU, not the government.
>
> You want Brits to come over and deal with American social welfare
> problems? We have our own, thanks.
>
> Jani
>
No, we don't wish to go downhill or backwards.
vernono
Oh, for sure. Just an example.
John Henry
>
John Henry
> x-no-archive: yes
> <scou...@noospam.net> wrote:
> © 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
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>>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:18:13 -0400, "Scout Lady"
>>> <scou...@noospam.net> wrote:
>>> © 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
>>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>>> x-no-archive: yes>>>>> © 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
>>>>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>>> Interesting! So you are saying that vernon got the source wrong,
>>>>> but all he gets is a "It was Craig R Smith... not Jay Leno. Good
>>>>> stuff!"
>>>>>
>>>>> If I had named the source wrong, there would be a LONG line of people
>>>>> telling me what an idiot I am!
>>>>>
>>>>> But not vern!
>>>>>
>>> If you had of...?
>>>
>>> Where did you learn English?
>>>
>>> You don't need the "of".
>>>
>>> " If you had named the "
>>>
>>> wrong source and it was pointed out to you your
>>>> response would be that I am trying to castrate you,
>>> Stupid person. Listen up. It's not the correcting that's
>>> objectionable. There are people in here who correct me and who don't
>>> insult me while they're doing it.
>>>
>>> For instance:
>>>
>>> John, you gave the wrong source.
>>>
>>> "You're wrong, as usual!"
>>>
>>> that I am a bitch and to
>>>> tell me to stfu.
>>> You are a bitch.
>>>
>>> It would take you 2-3 posts to get it all out as well.
>>>>> Interesting.
>>>>>
>>>> Not really since you still haven't figured out that you reap what you sow.
>>> We all do, bitch.
>>>
>>>> That said I will point out once again that you took a thread that wasn't
>>>> about you and turned it into something about you like a typical
>>>> narcissist.
>>> ^ ^ ^^ ^ You're pretending to be a psychiatrist again.
>>>
>>> bitch
>>>
>> Thanks for proving my point short bus.
>
> epithets as "short bus."
>
> Boy, did she get to you!
You called her a "bitch" (like, what, three times) and you're upset
because she called you "short bus?" [U R way 2 stupid 4 words.]
>
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I3
wrote to my USA cousins warning them that should they vote for GWB and
he became president, the USA would be involved in a war. Well - they
wrote back slating me and my very existence, asking who the hell I
thought I was to tell those mighty Americans for whom to vote. They told
me I did not know what I was talking about and dismissed me completely.
After 9/11, they said "damned if we do, damned if we don't" and took an
ultra-pro Bush stance. It was so sick. And still is.
I think if Obama becomes President, he will get the USA out of Iraq. But
what will he let in to the USA?
One wife of a former president said if the USA did not get on its knees
and repent, God would have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, and I
think she's right. I wrote before about the rise and demise of the great
USA. It's coming ... America cannot go on resting on its laurels
thinking they are just so amazingly great. Their retribution is coming.
Their demise is coming. It will hit like a thief in the night, taking
America off-guard (as usual), while they sleep (as usual), thinking they
are invincible (as usual), with a hypocritical spirit that's a lie all
the way down.
John Henry wrote:
[snip]
>>> Jay Leno wrote this; it's the Jay Leno we don't often see....
>>>
>>> As most of you know I am not a President Bush fan, nor have I
>>> ever been, but this is not about Bush, it is about us, as Americans,
>>> and it seems to hit the mark.
>>>
>>> 'The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across
>>> some Poll data I found rather hard to believe. It must be true given
>>> the source, right?
>>>
>>> The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are
>>> unhappy with the direction the country is headed and 69 percent of
>>> the country is unhappy with the performance of the President.
>>>
>>> In essence 2/3 of the citizenry just ain't happy and want a change.
>>> So being the knuckle dragger I am, I started thinking, 'What are we
>>> so unhappy about?''
>>>
>>> A.. Is it that we have electricity and running water 24
>>> hours a day, 7 Days a week?
>>>
>>> B.. Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning
>>> in the summer and heating in the winter?
>>>
>>> C.. Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks
>>> have a job?
>>>
>>> D. Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at
>>> any time and see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the
>>> last year?
>>>
>>> E.. Maybe it is the ability to drive our cars and trucks
>>> from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to
>>> present identification papers as we move through each state?
>>>
>>> F.. Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we
>>> would find along the way that can provide temporary shelter?
>>>
>>> G.. I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying
>>> cuisine from around the world is just not good enough either.
>>> H. Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency
>>> workers show up and provide services to help all and even send a
>>> helicopter to take you to the hospital.
>>>
>>> I.. Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who
>>> own a home.
>>>
>>> J. You may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate
>>> case of a fire, a group of trained firefighters will appear in
>>> moments and use top notch equipment to extinguish the flames, thus
>>> saving you, your family, and your belongings.
>>>
>>> K.. Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat
>>> screen TVs, a burglar or prowler intrudes, an officer equipped with a
>>> gun and a bullet-proof vest will come to defend you and your family
>>> against attack or loss.
>>>
>>> L.. This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of
>>> bombs or militias raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods
>>> where 90% of teenagers own cell phones and computers.
>>>
>>> M.. How about the complete religious, social and political
>>> freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world?
>>>
>>> Maybe that is what has 67% of you folks unhappy.
>>
>>> Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled
>>> brats the world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S. ,
>>> yet has a great disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we
>>> are. The most blessed people in the world who do nothing but complain
>>> about what we don't have, and what we hate about the country instead
>>> of thanking the good Lord we live here.
>>
>> Not only THAT, but we live in a world today where we can come online
>> in places like Usenet, and ridicule and libel those who "just don't
>> seem to """ measure up."""
>>
>> While we sleep in our cozy beds, we can remain INTOLERANT of others!
>>
>> Praise the Lord!
>>
> This is about you again, is it not?
>>
>>> I know, I know. What about the president who took us into
>>> war and has no plan to get us out? The president who has a measly
>>> 31 percent approval rating? Is this the same president who guided the
>>> nation in the dark days after 9/11? The president that cut taxes to
>>> bring an economy out of recession? Could this be the same guy who
>>> has been called every name in the book for succeeding in keeping all
>>> the spoiled ungrateful brats safe from terrorist attacks? The
>>> commander in chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there
>>> defending you and me?
>>>
>>> Did you hear how bad the President is on the news or talk
>>> show? Did this news affect you so much, make you so unhappy you
>>> couldn't take a look around for yourself and see all the good things
>>> and be glad? Think about it......are you upset at the President
>>> because he actually caused you personal pain OR is it because the
>>> 'Media' told you he was failing to kiss your sorry ungrateful behind
>>> every day. Make no mistake about it.
>>>
>>> The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve,
>>> and in many cases may have died for your freedom. There is currently
>>> no draft in this country. They didn't have to go. They are able to
>>> refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an
>>> 'other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a
>>> ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig.
>>>
>>> So why then the flat-out discontentment in the minds of 69
>>> percent of Americans?
>>>
>>> Say what you want but I blame it on the media. If it
>>> bleeds it leads and they specialize in bad news. Everybody will
>>> watch a car crash with blood and guts. How many will watch kids
>>> selling lemonade at the corner? The media knows this and media
>>> outlets are for-profit corporations. They offer what sells, and when
>>> criticized, try to defend their actions by 'justifying' them in one
>>> way or another. Just ask why they tried to allow a murderer like OJ.
>>> Simpson to write a book about how he didn't kill his wife, but if he
>>> did he would have done it this way......Insane!
>>>
>>> Turn off the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the
>>> bottom of your bird cage. Then start being grateful for all we have
>>> as country. There is exponentially more good than bad. We are among
>>> the most blessed people on Earth and should thank God several times a
>>> day, or at least be thankful and appreciative.' 'With hurricanes,
>>> tornados, fires out of control, mud slides, flooding, severe
>>> thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and
>>> with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, 'Are we sure this
>>> is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?'
>>> Jay Leno
>>>
>>>
>>> Please keep this in circulation. There are so many people
>>> who need to read this and grasp the truth of it all.
>>
vernono
The latest is Chinese. They are practically slaves here.
Jani
OK, so I just *imagined* that there are homeless people in the US?
Jani
Jani
"<Kelly>" <316...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b1806f3a-21c1-4f07...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Yes, I probably was equating 'well off' with 'wealthy', come to think of it.
Good point. But then if you look at the grey area of what constitutes 'well
off', you have to consider infrastructures. A person with a pushbike isn't
'well off' compared to one with a car, in the absolute sense - but if he
lives in an area where a bike is the best means of transport, and will get
him started on the chance of education or training or a job, whereas a car
would be little more than a very large garden ornament - he's more 'well
off' with his bike than he would be with the kind of transport others
associate with 'well off'.
(and yes, I did pinch that idea from Sen, but I can't remember the reference
offhand, so don't shoot me ;)
Jani
Jani
Indeed I don't. Where on earth do you get that idea?
> Whine whine whine
>
>>
>>
>>> I have spent quite a bit of time in retail and food service. I did go
>>> to college and made more.
>>> I also didn't buy a car or house beyond my means. It's like last week
>>> on T.V. a guy getting in line for free food and some clothing. He was
>>> driving a $35,000.00 pick-up. The T.V. commentator only talked of how
>>> "poor" this guy was.
>>
>> Maybe he was, indeed, a scrounger. Or maybe his car was the only asset he
>> owned, bought when times were better or inherited from family.
>
> You REALLY don't know what's going on. You live in your own cloistered
> world.
> You have to be one sheltered, uneducated malcontent to not see daily
> representations of this guy.
As I said, he could have been a scrounger - certainly there are plenty of
people who do play the system - but not necessarily. Have you ever read
Betty MacDonald? She wrote about surviving during the Depression, and one of
her anecdotes is about being ostracised at work because the others see her
getting a lift in a big, fancy car. They assume she's rich, and is taking a
job away from someone who desperately needs it. She has to explain that the
car came from a long series of trades that her brother started making when
he was a schoolboy, and her family are on their twentieth consecutive Sunday
dinner of meatloaf just like everyone else. What you see isn't necessarily
the whole story, or even an accurate story.
> As I said before, you have NEVER spent much time working directly with or
> for the poor. You are obviously a Liberal AKA NAZI, Socialist (let the
> government do it)
Oh, puh-lease. You have no idea who I've worked with, or for.
>
>>
>>>
>>> BTW, when I was in retail there were MANY there that took care of
>>> themselves, had reasonable cars, one or more children, had more than one
>>> T.V. etc. etc.
>>
>> If you have a decent rate of pay, job security, and the chance to
>> accumulate solid assets, sure, you can survive well in any field. Not so
>> easy on below-minimum wage, in an area with a large labour pool and
>> at-will dismissal, especially if you have family to support.
>
>
> I repeat what I said above.
> Few legals are below minimum and I have never worked where "at-will
> dismissal" is not standard. That includes multi million / billion dollar
> corps and the people dismissed in the 6 figure world.
Are you not aware that many waitstaff are expected to work below minimum and
make up the difference in tips? And I very much doubt that someone in the "6
figure world" is going to be dismissed without cause, and simply have to sit
back and accept it.
>
> What have you done, personally to help?
I'm helping now, by countering this apparently widespread misperception that
everyone in the US who doesn't have job security, higher ed, and a
middle-class lifestyle is just a lazy sod who ought to try harder.
>
>>
>>
>>> Now get your head out of your self serving, lazy butt and realize that
>>> the scenario printed was VERY accurate.
>>
>> Why am I 'self serving' or 'lazy' because I object to inequality?
Again, why am I 'self serving' or 'lazy' because I object to inequality?
>>
>>>
>>> Note that it deals in percentages ( something you may learn if you go
>>> back and finish 4th grade.
>>
>> It doesn't 'deal in percentages', it mentions percentages here and there.
>> If you know anything about statistics, which apparently you don't, you'd
>> know that a phrase such as "67% of Americans" is pretty meaningless
>> without some indication of how the sampling was done or how the research
>> parameters were framed. And even accurate stats can be ambiguous; he
>> says, for example, that "70% of Americans own a home". Does he mean
>> that, literally, 70% of the total adult population are homeowners, or
>> that 70% of dwellings have an owner-occupier - along with their spouse,
>> adult children, lodgers, etc, who are *not* homeowners? Same statistic,
>> but a very different number of *actual* homeowners as a percentage of the
>> total adult population.
>
> As I said the Liberal AKA NAZI socialist is blind AND ignorant of
> statistics. I suppose you have 12 units of college studies in stats. ha
> ha ha ha ha ha ha.
So you didn't understand the difference, then. OK. See, this is precisely
*why* people get away with tossing stats about like confetti.
> Are you certain that it is not the fault of those Jewish bankers?
What?
> Of course you TOTALLY missed the idea that home "owner" means paying on a
> home, probably at a lower rate than a renter.
No, I didn't miss it; it just wasn't relevant to the issue.
Jani
Jani
On Jul 16, 6:51 am, "Jani" <j...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> wrote:
>> Comms are web communities. I suppose if you only use Usenet you wouldn't
>> have known that. Barbara Ehrenreich, though, is pretty well known.
>Don't be surprised he doesn't know who she is.
I was, actually; considering she got criticism as well as praise for Nickel
and Dimed, I'm used to people from all political camps having heard of her
:)
[]
>> Good grief, I don't "expect" you to do anything. Are you always this
>> melodramatic when someone mentions an author you don't know?
>Yes, he is frequently melodramatic - especially with strong,
>intelligent women (likely due to his Napoleonic complex and need for a
>big truck to compensate, then couple that with balding...you get the
>picture ;-)
Oh dear ... One of those, eh?
Jani