###MORE REVEALING WORDS FROM SEEBER! II
Ted McMillan
This is the continuation of the very revealing statements made by Ted
Seeber. I now make a statement to him:
> > Your statements are the same despot onliners with no proof!
>
> Rather, I've posted SCRIPTURE, the same that you claim to believe in,
yet
> deny with your words, proving yourself to be the anti-christ.
>
You have given one-liners and then posted scripture off of the point.
I don't expect to see from people in line with the psychiatrists that
the story of Ananias and Saphira is a demonstration of the Apostles
killing people. Even the Jews falsely accused the Apostles of doing
that when the word tells us that's not what happened. They accused the
Apostles of killing Ananias and Sapphira!
> > > > Christ's Disciples persecuted?
> > >
> > > Persecuted and were persecuted. It's not often that you find a
human
> > > institution that, upon gaining power, does not take revenge
against
> > > it's
> > > former persecuters.
> >
> > You found that with the Protestants. They didn't give you all your
> > just deserts even since the French Revolution. And no, you are in
the
> > habit of not proving what you state. Show the specific chapter and
> > verse where they became like you all and persecuted.
>
> The Letter of Constantine in 400 A.D. Or did you think that History
> stopped with the death of the last Apostle?
>
I am talking about the Apostles and not the development of prophecy in
Rome. Constantine was a devotee to the Sun till the day of his death.
> > > > > Which is why instead of ONE Church, there are now 30,000+
> > > > denominations
> > > > > serving a small minority of ex-christians.
> > > >
> > > > And why are strange people who are ecumenical around in those
> > churches
> > > > telling them what Bill Clinton told the world: "DIVERSITY IS
THE
> > > > SECRET OF OUR STRENGTH!" and urged them to have many different
> > > > confusing opinions and to verbalize them everywhere?
> > >
> > > To gain power.
> >
> > Well then why fault the Protestant system for being bad, when it is
> > already heavily infiltrated with you guys?
>
> Bill Clinton is not Catholic, nor is he of the Kingdom of Heaven.
>
That is not what I asked!
Another despot one-liner! Don't you have something to demonstrate with
the documentation I gave showing where he was trained and who trained
him that made him so snuggly with Communists?
> > You all had nothing to do
> > with it? You all did not interfere?
>
> Why should we care what rebels do to other rebels?
>
Well why not then go home and take the equally strange ones demanding
that our church become ecumenical with you and see what happens to that
system you all told the world would collapse because of its own
inadequacies?
> > Did you all not know that the
> > Protestants wanted to show evidence for their claims?
>
> Who cares? Protestant evidence is already corrupt in my mind, because
> they protested against the authority of Christ.
>
Another despot one-liner! Can you please have respect for the other
heretics here who are honest and want to know the truth!! They don't
want your despot rantings. They want proof with it. What proof have
you that the Protestants protested against the authority of Christ? I
have shown you a scripture that tells us what happens to those who
loveth and maketh a lie. Tell us what is going to happen to you all!
It all changes because you all think that you belong to the true church?
> > The best way to
> > demonstrate the truth was to leave it alone and let it come to
fruition
> > to be compared with Catholic countries.
>
> You mean, how the Protestant UN has been pushing abortion to ruin the
> ecconomy of Catholic Countries?
>
Another lie! You need to first believe that Christians cannot lie in
order to tell the truth here. The UN is a globalist organization AND
YOU KNOW IT! It is markedly different in principle from the American
Constitution.
> > Despot one-liners! Is that why you all murdered the Serbs?
>
> Prove that I had anything to do with the Serbs at all. I've lived in
> Oregon all my life, have never been outside of it for more than two
weeks
> at a time.
>
Christ told the Pharisees that they say to themselves that had they
been in the days when their forefather murdered the prophets, they
would not have taken part, yet now we learn that the church is supposed
to persecute and kill, and we also learn that freedom of religion is a
bad thing, and we learned that Christians can lie and do many more
things to accomplish what they want! We learned that we should accept
the idea that pictures can be faked rather than thinking that the
Ustashis did the things that history documents they did 50 years ago.
We then learned that Ellen White is a monster compared to the Ustashis!
Christ told the Scribes and Pharisees that they will be accounted just
as and even more guilty of the blood of the prophets by imbibing the
same ideas and spirit of their forefathers who murdered the prophets.
> > > > It is funny, because you yourself named those same
> > > > two groups quite skillfully. After Dr. Rivera said that, I
studied
> > > > their beliefs and found out that they are globalistic.
> > >
> > > As is Christ himself. To be not globalistic is to be
exclusionary.
> >
> > Globalists were all political.
>
> As was Christ, in trying to create the Kingdom of Heaven.
>
No proof! No example to show with Christ's interaction (or lack of it)
with the governments of His day!
Your Christ will be "trying" to create the Kingdom of heaven here. The
Adventist Christ, has a different Christ that, when He is ready, will
come from the skies in glory and CREATE His kingdom then! HE WILL HAVE
ALL THE GLORY BECAUSE OF THAT FACT!
> > > From my point of view, you're the one who's defending the big lie
> > that God
> > > wants his sons to be divided.
> >
> > I did not say that
>
> You support Protestantism, which claims that alternate denominations
are
> valid (they are not).
>
Don't complain about me lying when you struggle to show us that
Christians can lie! Are you saying I am a Christian now?
I don't like the varying denominations either, but you all must like
it, for strange ecumenical people for the Pope are among us telling us
it is good to have a whole lot of ideas flying around! Even many of
the Adventist leaders are infiltrators, for they are pushing the same
thing, and now they cannot accept opposition to ecumenism!
> > I said that
> > they be one, but not under a despot bureaucracy to give up their
> > liberties, properties and understandings of truth.
>
> Liberty and property?
> Shall we look at Acts Chapter 4 again:
> [32] And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of
one
> soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he
possessed
> was his own; but they had all things common.
THEY GAVE WILLINGLY!
> [33] And with great power gave the apostles witness of the
resurrection of
> the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
> [34] Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were
> possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the
> things that were sold,
THEY GAVE WILLINGLY!
> [35] And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was
made
> unto every man according as he had need.
>
> Where do you see liberty and the personal right to property in that?
>
THEY GAVE WILLINGLY!!
I see it in the Roman government that existed right side along it.
That government was not covertly attacked nor infiltrated. The
Apostles told their followers that their portion was to be persecuted
and not to persecute themselves. They were persecuted by that
government.
Since we shouldn't have liberty and rights to property, when can we
lobby to have these liberties taken away from you Vaticans here in the
US? You would like that, wouldn't you?
What about Romans 14, where is said that the Christians must be fully
persuaded in their own minds? It meant that they should be fully
persuaded of the truth, and that they become one by being PERSUADED,
NOT BY YOUR HOLOCAUSTS! Salvation does not come by laws of the land!
YOU CANNOT LEGISLATE A PERSON TO BE SAVED!!
> > > Why should I confirm the lie of a paranoid delusionist who seeks
to
> > > separate Christ, and indeed humanity, into separate groups and
thus
> > > promote warfare?
> >
> > Because we need to confirm some more that you are the reincarnated
> > despots!
>
> And you can't, because as we have proven from scripture, you're the
one
> who is a reincarnated despot.
>
This is the era of the Antichrist, for I never knew despots to really
believe in freedom nor liberty. You all claim that you are not the
despots, yet you are all arguing here against liberty of religion and
everything else. Why not demonstrate this blessedness you are talking
about against liberty by giving up yours first?
For your information it is despot who would argue against liberty for
everyone else but themselves. The despots are therefore in YOUR
mirrors!
> > We are here to show the colors of each. We are here to see a
> > religion that defends lying, and then calls Ellen White a liar and a
> > fake.
>
> She is what she is, and you are what you are.
>
If Christians can lie, as you claim and are doing constantly in your
posts on these newsgroups, from what pile of dung did you find your
consciences to call Ellen White a liar? You mean she is a Christian?
And you are what you are. That's the problem which we demonstrate
here. No need to send in redundant facts. We learned from
you "normal" people that Ellen White is alot worse than the Ustashis
and than you people. She doesn't teach that Christians can lie. You
all do.
> > We need to become like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln as
> > other paranoid delusionists so that we can go to heaven with them
> > also!
>
> I believe that those two are in hell for promoting the heresy of
personal
> property (and the starvation of millions).
>
Then leave the nation that they created and see how much more it will
be able to out-perform your Catholic ones in every way! There are
Catholic countries around today, and I don't see your version of
liberty being applied against them. They are now virtually poor clones
of the free nations. Why not demonstrate your plans on them first so
that we can compare? Is there a reason why you are not implimenting
your wonderful plans on the Catholic countries? Is there a reason why
you cannot demonstrate your principles so that we can see and
become "fully persuaded" in our own minds? Does it have anything to do
with the fact that you know it would not compare??
Yes! If you did that, we would NEVER even allow you all around us! I
think you know that! You therefore allow the Catholic countries to
largely mimick the free ones.
> > We need to demonstrate that we are fools for Christ with the
> > tinfoil hats who will bear witness against the Children of the
> > Antichrist through evidence.
>
> And as we have proven, the one who supports personal liberty and
property
> is the antiChrist.
>
Who therefore is that who also has the name 666, who will rule the
world (as Malachi Martin points out), who will have the blood of
prophets on his hands (since we learned that Christians can persecute
from these persecutors here), who will think to change times and laws
of the Most High, and all? Which person do you know of who supports
personal liberty and property and will fulfill all these things?
With personal liberty, there can be no persecution!
> > > One wonders if the Anti-Ted is an arms dealer, sowing discord to
both
> > > sides in hopes of making money off of the fight.
> >
> > Just check what the Ustashis did, and we can only conclude that you
> > will think that about us. The evidence and discussion has left
> > naturally. Just tell us that you couldn't answer!
>
> I don't believe the Ustashis exist. They are only a figment of the
> Anti-Ted's imagination, created so that he can sell more guns to
children.
>
Your murderous brothers and sisters DID exist. If they didn't exist,
you would have said so from the beginning, and, since you
strange "Christians" can lie, why not explain why even Stephanie and
others explained who the Ustashis were whom you now lied to us in
telling us that they don't exist?
> > > > > Liberty is useless, and has only created schism.
> > > >
> > > > GREAT!! LET'S TAKE AWAY LIBERTY SO THAT WE CAN SEE THE BENEFITS
> > WITHOUT
> > > > IT AND START THE TEST ON YOUR CHURCH!
> > >
> > > The main benefit without it: No war, cooperation replacing
> > > competition,
> > > no divisions among mankind, and the realization of Christ's
prayer:
> > > That
> > > all men may be one. (John 17:21)
> >
> > DID YOU HEAR ME??!! Let's see the benefit of it! We start with
YOUR
> > CHURCH!! The one who puts forth this principle should be the first
> > against whom the experiment be tested!
>
> We did. For 1400 years, we did. The Guild Ecconomy was the most
fair of
> all ecconomic systems. Then the greedy Protestants destroyed it.
>
For 1400 years the Vatican took away liberty from every other
institution but itself. I ask again:
Let's see the benefit of no liberty by passing laws against the machine
that is now covertly preaching that liberty is a great curse and sin!
Let us test it out against this machine called the Vatican!
> You are going against the prayer of Christ, John chapter 17. Go and
read
> it.
>
Let's see the benefit of no liberty by passing laws against this
machine called the Vatican!
> > > The real anti-christ is the one who stands against Christ.
> >
> > WRONG! Often the word "ANTI" does not mean AGAINST biblically.
>
> Yeah, sure. Tell us another lie.
>
You told us that Christians can lie! Can't someone even dream to
approach your experience on the enterprise?? Can't anyone be a
Christian according to your definition?
> > It
> > often meant "in place of" as in the anti-popes that existed during
the
> > Great Schism where the Catholic Church took a long time to deal
with it-
> > -FAR LONGER than it took you guys to deal with the postings I made
> > about the Ustashis!
>
> I don't care about your made-up lies.
> Ted
>
So, Christians CAN'T LIE??
WHY DID YOU LIE?!!
Ted
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Theodore M. Seeber
> CONTINUED FROM PART I
>
> This is the continuation of the very revealing statements made by Ted
> Seeber. I now make a statement to him:
You now make a lie to me. Thus proving yourself not to be Christian.
> > > Your statements are the same despot onliners with no proof!
> >
> > Rather, I've posted SCRIPTURE, the same that you claim to believe in,
> > yet
> > deny with your words, proving yourself to be the anti-christ.
>
> You have given one-liners and then posted scripture off of the point.
No, I posted Scriptures to the Point.
> I don't expect to see from people in line with the psychiatrists that
> the story of Ananias and Saphira is a demonstration of the Apostles
> killing people.
Did the Apostles work Miracles through the Power of the Holy Spirit or
not?
Your interpretation has problems.
> Even the Jews falsely accused the Apostles of doing
> that when the word tells us that's not what happened. They accused the
> Apostles of killing Ananias and Sapphira!
No they didn't. You missed the point.
> > > You found that with the Protestants. They didn't give you all your
> > > just deserts even since the French Revolution. And no, you are in
> the
> > > habit of not proving what you state. Show the specific chapter and
> > > verse where they became like you all and persecuted.
> >
> > The Letter of Constantine in 400 A.D. Or did you think that History
> > stopped with the death of the last Apostle?
> >
>
> I am talking about the Apostles
So am I.
> and not the development of prophecy in
> Rome.
But the story of the Apostles IS the development of Prophecy in Rome.
> Constantine was a devotee to the Sun till the day of his death.
Got any REAL proof of that statement? Or just more of your fake Christian
lies?
> > > > > > Which is why instead of ONE Church, there are now 30,000+
> > > > > denominations
> > > > > > serving a small minority of ex-christians.
> > > > >
> > > > > And why are strange people who are ecumenical around in those
> > > churches
> > > > > telling them what Bill Clinton told the world: "DIVERSITY IS
> THE
> > > > > SECRET OF OUR STRENGTH!" and urged them to have many different
> > > > > confusing opinions and to verbalize them everywhere?
> > > >
> > > > To gain power.
> > >
> > > Well then why fault the Protestant system for being bad, when it is
> > > already heavily infiltrated with you guys?
> >
> > Bill Clinton is not Catholic, nor is he of the Kingdom of Heaven.
>
> That is not what I asked!
It's what you said.
You claimed that Bill Clinton, above, is an example of the Catholic
infiltration of Government to build the Kingdom of Heaven. I claimed he
was not.
> Another despot one-liner! Don't you have something to demonstrate with
> the documentation I gave showing where he was trained and who trained
> him that made him so snuggly with Communists?
I saw no such documentation in this thread, and I delete what I consider
false information from fake Christians like yourself.
But even so, it doesn't matter, for the Communists were not of the Kingdom
of Heaven either, else we would not have overthrown them in
Poland. Through the very methods of infiltration you showed us.
> > > You all had nothing to do
> > > with it? You all did not interfere?
> >
> > Why should we care what rebels do to other rebels?
>
> Well why not then go home and take the equally strange ones
What equally strange ones?
> demanding
> that our church become ecumenical with you
I don't. I demand that your church CONVERT!
> and see what happens to that
> system you all told the world would collapse because of its own
> inadequacies?
Already collapsed because of it's own inadequacies. It's hopeless to try
to save it now!
> > > Did you all not know that the
> > > Protestants wanted to show evidence for their claims?
> >
> > Who cares? Protestant evidence is already corrupt in my mind, because
> > they protested against the authority of Christ.
>
> Another despot one-liner!
Or is it simply the truth?
> Can you please have respect for the other
> heretics here who are honest and want to know the truth!!
There are none here in tnn.religion.catholic who need to hear your
lies. Nor the baptist newsgroup, I suspect.
> They don't
> want your despot rantings.
Don't care.
> They want proof with it.
Then let them, not you, ask for it.
> What proof have
> you that the Protestants protested against the authority of Christ?
I'll warn you ahead of time, my proof is from Scripture. Tell me first,
are you going to virtually burn it, like you've deleted so many of my
other quotes from scripture?
> I
> have shown you a scripture that tells us what happens to those who
> loveth and maketh a lie.
Which describes you to a T.
> Tell us what is going to happen to you all!
It's more like what's happening to Adventism with you right now.
> It all changes because you all think that you belong to the true church?
No. It all changes because the Apostles are still living among us, and I
follow them, rather than you.
> > > The best way to
> > > demonstrate the truth was to leave it alone and let it come to
> fruition
> > > to be compared with Catholic countries.
> >
> > You mean, how the Protestant UN has been pushing abortion to ruin the
> > ecconomy of Catholic Countries?
>
> Another lie!
You deny that the UN is sending Planned Parenthood to third world nations
in an attempt to instill population controls?
> You need to first believe that Christians cannot lie in
> order to tell the truth here.
I'm sorry, you've proven that wrong.
> The UN is a globalist organization AND
> YOU KNOW IT! It is markedly different in principle from the American
> Constitution.
So what? Doesn't make it any the less Protestant.
> > > Despot one-liners! Is that why you all murdered the Serbs?
> >
> > Prove that I had anything to do with the Serbs at all. I've lived in
> > Oregon all my life, have never been outside of it for more than two
> > weeks
> > at a time.
>
> Christ told the Pharisees that they say to themselves that had they
> been in the days when their forefather murdered the prophets, they
> would not have taken part, yet now we learn that the church is supposed
> to persecute and kill, and we also learn that freedom of religion is a
> bad thing, and we learned that Christians can lie and do many more
> things to accomplish what they want!
Like you are lying now. Christ never said any of that.
> We learned that we should accept
> the idea that pictures can be faked rather than thinking that the
> Ustashis did the things that history documents they did 50 years ago.
I don't care about the Utashis, they weren't Christian either.
> We then learned that Ellen White is a monster compared to the Ustashis!
Don't care about either.
> Christ told the Scribes and Pharisees that they will be accounted just
> as and even more guilty of the blood of the prophets by imbibing the
> same ideas and spirit of their forefathers who murdered the prophets.
So? What is that to me, who is neither Scribe nor Pharisee, but is
instead Catholic, and following Christ instead of some Man-Made SDA
religion?
> > > > As is Christ himself. To be not globalistic is to be
> > > > exclusionary.
> > >
> > > Globalists were all political.
> >
> > As was Christ, in trying to create the Kingdom of Heaven.
>
> No proof! No example to show with Christ's interaction (or lack of it)
> with the governments of His day!
He was against them. In general.
> Your Christ will be "trying" to create the Kingdom of heaven here.
No, just trying to restore it!
> The
> Adventist Christ, has a different Christ that, when He is ready, will
> come from the skies in glory and CREATE His kingdom then! HE WILL HAVE
> ALL THE GLORY BECAUSE OF THAT FACT!
The Adventist Christ has failed to show up as predicted. To me, that's
proof that he doesn't exist at all, that you've invented a new gospel to
preach, a fake gospel to preach.
Where is your Adventist Christ in the world? He isn't. But the Catholic
Christ is in every orphanage run by the Catholic Church. He's in the
homeless shelters in Calcutta. He's in the sewage drainage fields in
Mexico. He's out in the world, but he is not of the world. What good has
your Adventist Christ done at all? The Catholic Christ died for the sins
of the world. The Catholic Christ set up a Kingdom, started a religion.
> > You support Protestantism, which claims that alternate denominations
> > are
> > valid (they are not).
>
> Don't complain about me lying when you struggle to show us that
> Christians can lie! Are you saying I am a Christian now?
No, actually. What I am saying is that Christians Can Lie, but choose not
to. Instead, you are NOT Christian, for you do lie.
> I don't like the varying denominations either, but you all must like
> it, for strange ecumenical people for the Pope are among us telling us
> it is good to have a whole lot of ideas flying around!
It is, as long as they are for Christ. The more ideas flying around in
service of Christ, the more power Christ has.
> Even many of
> the Adventist leaders are infiltrators, for they are pushing the same
> thing, and now they cannot accept opposition to ecumenism!
I'm sorry you feel that way. But it has nothing to do with me, I have no
control over your adventist leaders. If I did, I'd urge them to stop the
pretense and convert. Let the Adventist Church and it's false gods die.
> > Liberty and property?
> > Shall we look at Acts Chapter 4 again:
> > [32] And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of
> one
> > soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he
> possessed
> > was his own; but they had all things common.
>
> THEY GAVE WILLINGLY!
And they had neither Liberty nor Property. What use is Liberty and
Property in the Kingdom of Heaven? They are only usefull in the corrupt
secular governments of Earth.
> > [33] And with great power gave the apostles witness of the
> resurrection of
> > the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
> > [34] Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were
> > possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the
> > things that were sold,
>
> THEY GAVE WILLINGLY!
Yes, so what?
What exactly is your point? That we should allow evil to continue, that
we should allow the children to starve so that you can have your color TV
set?
> > [35] And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was
> made
> > unto every man according as he had need.
> >
> > Where do you see liberty and the personal right to property in that?
>
> THEY GAVE WILLINGLY!!
So what?
> I see it in the Roman government that existed right side along it.
I do too.
> That government was not covertly attacked nor infiltrated.
Then why did it fall?
> The
> Apostles told their followers that their portion was to be persecuted
> and not to persecute themselves.
And yet, the Apostles did.
> They were persecuted by that
> government.
Yes. So? 400 years later, due to covert attacks and infiltration of the
Roman Government, it fell. Christianity had replaced the pagan system.
> Since we shouldn't have liberty and rights to property, when can we
> lobby to have these liberties taken away from you Vaticans here in the
> US?
Uh, they have already been.
> You would like that, wouldn't you?
My property is gladly given in service of the Church whenever
neccessary. Is yours?
> What about Romans 14, where is said that the Christians must be fully
> persuaded in their own minds?
As we saw when I quoted the entire chapter, it doesn't say that.
> It meant that they should be fully
> persuaded of the truth, and that they become one by being PERSUADED,
> NOT BY YOUR HOLOCAUSTS!
It doesn't say that either. The word "HOLOCAUST" is a 20th century
invention.
> Salvation does not come by laws of the land!
> YOU CANNOT LEGISLATE A PERSON TO BE SAVED!!
But we can encourage it by having nothing to do with those who are not
saved.
> > > > Why should I confirm the lie of a paranoid delusionist who seeks
> to
> > > > separate Christ, and indeed humanity, into separate groups and
> thus
> > > > promote warfare?
> > >
> > > Because we need to confirm some more that you are the reincarnated
> > > despots!
> >
> > And you can't, because as we have proven from scripture, you're the
> > one
> > who is a reincarnated despot.
>
> This is the era of the Antichrist, for I never knew despots to really
> believe in freedom nor liberty.
The Tyranny of the Merchants does.
> You all claim that you are not the
> despots, yet you are all arguing here against liberty of religion and
> everything else.
Yes. As anybody for TRUTH instead of lies should.
> Why not demonstrate this blessedness you are talking
> about against liberty by giving up yours first?
I did with my confirmation, when I pledged my life to my Lord, Jesus
Christ.
Why you want liberty from him is foreign to me, and it's a thought I
simply don't want to contemplate.
> For your information it is despot who would argue against liberty for
> everyone else but themselves.
I would agree with that. So why are you trying to argue against liberty
for Catholics?
> The despots are therefore in YOUR
> mirrors!
Your mirror, more like.
> > > We are here to show the colors of each. We are here to see a
> > > religion that defends lying, and then calls Ellen White a liar and a
> > > fake.
> >
> > She is what she is, and you are what you are.
>
> If Christians can lie, as you claim
Those who call themselves Christian quite often lie.
> and are doing constantly in your
> posts on these newsgroups, from what pile of dung did you find your
> consciences to call Ellen White a liar? You mean she is a Christian?
She called herself one. As do you. Myself, I call myself a Catholic.
> And you are what you are.
Yes. I am a Catholic.
> That's the problem which we demonstrate
> here.
Yes, it is a problem that you are a liar.
> No need to send in redundant facts.
If all the facts are not examined, then how shall we find truth?
> We learned from
> you "normal" people that Ellen White is alot worse than the Ustashis
> and than you people.
She is.
> She doesn't teach that Christians can lie.
Yes she did, for she called herself Christian and then she lied about the
title of the Pope.
> > > We need to become like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln as
> > > other paranoid delusionists so that we can go to heaven with them
> > > also!
> >
> > I believe that those two are in hell for promoting the heresy of
> > personal
> > property (and the starvation of millions).
>
> Then leave the nation that they created and see how much more it will
> be able to out-perform your Catholic ones in every way!
I should leave the 4 million starving children (and 26 million starving
adults) to the tender mercy of your Merchants?
Whyever should I do that?
> There are
> Catholic countries around today, and I don't see your version of
> liberty being applied against them.
It is, but it's done through the religion, so I'm not suprised you don't
see it.
> They are now virtually poor clones
> of the free nations.
Better that they be poor than rich, for:
Matt.19
[24] Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a
needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Mark.10
[25] It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a
rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Luke.18
[25] For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than
for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Which one did you not understand?
> Why not demonstrate your plans on them first so
> that we can compare?
We are, at least, we're trying. Of course, you Protestants keep coming in
and messing things up. Agricultural economies need lots of workers, so
you send in the UN to spread abortion and birth control so that the next
generation of workers will not be born.
> Is there a reason why you are not implimenting
> your wonderful plans on the Catholic countries?
We are. That's the point.
> Is there a reason why
> you cannot demonstrate your principles so that we can see and
> become "fully persuaded" in our own minds?
We have been.
> Does it have anything to do
> with the fact that you know it would not compare??
Compare with what? An overly rich culture of death that allows millions
of children to starve?
> Yes! If you did that, we would NEVER even allow you all around us! I
> think you know that! You therefore allow the Catholic countries to
> largely mimick the free ones.
The free ones, ain't so free. Costs tons to live there.
> > > We need to demonstrate that we are fools for Christ with the
> > > tinfoil hats who will bear witness against the Children of the
> > > Antichrist through evidence.
> >
> > And as we have proven, the one who supports personal liberty and
> property
> > is the antiChrist.
>
> Who therefore is that who also has the name 666,
Ellen Govld VVhite?
Depends on how you count the name.
Ronald Wilson Reagan works by another method (6 letters each, 3 names).
> who will rule the
> world (as Malachi Martin points out),
Hmm, in our time, Ronald Wilson Reagan, yep.
> who will have the blood of
> prophets on his hands (since we learned that Christians can persecute
> from these persecutors here),
I wonder if there were any prophets in Grenada? Tripoli? Panama? (just
to name the three times Reagan sent out troups to kill people).
And then of course, there were the now beatified Catholic Saints in
Guatamala....
> who will think to change times and laws
> of the Most High, and all?
Trickle Down Ecconomics, anybody?
> Which person do you know of who supports
> personal liberty and property and will fulfill all these things?
Ronald Wilson Reagan did.
> With personal liberty, there can be no persecution!
Yeah, sure, tell us another one. Tell that to all the Catholics
persecuted by the Klu Klux Klan.
> > > > One wonders if the Anti-Ted is an arms dealer, sowing discord to
> > > > both
> > > > sides in hopes of making money off of the fight.
> > >
> > > Just check what the Ustashis did, and we can only conclude that you
> > > will think that about us. The evidence and discussion has left
> > > naturally. Just tell us that you couldn't answer!
> >
> > I don't believe the Ustashis exist. They are only a figment of the
> > Anti-Ted's imagination, created so that he can sell more guns to
> > children.
>
> Your murderous brothers and sisters DID exist.
I've only heard you talk about them.
> If they didn't exist,
> you would have said so from the beginning,
How could have I? Until your messages directed at me mentioned them, I
didn't even KNOW about them.
> and, since you
> strange "Christians" can lie, why not explain why even Stephanie and
> others explained who the Ustashis were whom you now lied to us in
> telling us that they don't exist?
Because you have shown us that you put the names of people who do exist
into your false history.
Like Christ. Took a while, but you finally admited you weren't talking
about the Christ of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, and James. Instead,
you were talking about the "Adventist Christ" of Ellen Govld VVhite.
> > > DID YOU HEAR ME??!! Let's see the benefit of it! We start with
> > > YOUR
> > > CHURCH!! The one who puts forth this principle should be the first
> > > against whom the experiment be tested!
> >
> > We did. For 1400 years, we did. The Guild Ecconomy was the most
> > fair of
> > all ecconomic systems. Then the greedy Protestants destroyed it.
>
> For 1400 years the Vatican took away liberty from every other
> institution but itself.
Correct.
And during that time, there was no starvation, war was limited to
Tuesdays, the death penalty was rare (but neccessary, they didn't have the
jails we have today), there was no abortion or birth control.
Hmm, shall we compare?
> I ask again:
> Let's see the benefit of no liberty by passing laws against the machine
> that is now covertly preaching that liberty is a great curse and sin!
Which is what the Vatican was doing in the 1400s, according to YOU!
> Let us test it out against this machine called the Vatican!
BTW, isn't that what the Pope does to himself, with his oaths of office?
> > You are going against the prayer of Christ, John chapter 17. Go and
> > read
> > it.
>
> Let's see the benefit of no liberty by passing laws against this
> machine called the Vatican!
Why bother? The real crime, according to John Chapter 17, is in promoting
nationalism and denominationalism to begin with. How about this: If you
give up your denomination and become Catholic, I'll show you how the
Vatican "machine" has no liberty and is in total service to Christ. Deal?
> > > > The real anti-christ is the one who stands against Christ.
> > >
> > > WRONG! Often the word "ANTI" does not mean AGAINST biblically.
> >
> > Yeah, sure. Tell us another lie.
>
> You told us that Christians can lie!
When?
I've told you that those who call themselves Christian often lie. But
those who give themselves to Christ utterly, without reservation, do not.
> Can't someone even dream to
> approach your experience on the enterprise??
Sure. Become Catholic, then we'll chat.
> Can't anyone be a
> Christian according to your definition?
In fact, just anyone can't be a Christian. First, you have to give
yourself to Christ. All of yourself, not just part. That means giving up
such false ideas as personal liberty and personal property, it all belongs
to Christ now. Everything you do, everything you are, belongs to
Christ. Do you dare match this challenge?
> > > It
> > > often meant "in place of" as in the anti-popes that existed during
> the
> > > Great Schism where the Catholic Church took a long time to deal
> with it-
> > > -FAR LONGER than it took you guys to deal with the postings I made
> > > about the Ustashis!
> >
> > I don't care about your made-up lies.
>
> So, Christians CAN'T LIE??
You're not Christian.
> WHY DID YOU LIE?!!
I don't. In fact, I've proven every one of my ideas, from Scripture. You
have yet to quote scripture accurately at all. Every time we look into
something you say is there, it isn't there. Romans 14 does not say we
must be persuaded, only that we must follow, for instance.
Ted
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Ted McMillan
msici...@aol.cominvalid (MSiciliana) wrote:
> Ted McMillan writes:
>
> >With personal liberty, there can be no persecution!
>
Catholics by
> posting the following:
>
> > You found that with the Protestants. They didn't give you all
your just
> deserts even since the French Revolution.
>
That is a statement and a true one, and it is also plain not answering
any questions.
And non-tinfoil head who called me all kinds of names and made me out
to be a horrible person because I said certain things about Rome, says
nothing to the fellow conspirator who has been confirming everything I
ever said. If I said that Rome hates liberty for any other churches
and is under a conspiracy to take over the world again, persecute again
and destroy Protestantism, why all the Christian lying by calling me
horrible and saying nothing to the man who has just confirmed
everything?
Well honest readers, I knew there was no hope. To argue with the
armies of Rome is like arguing with their creation: Communists.
> >Well why not then go home and take the equally strange ones
demanding that our
> church become ecumenical with you and see what happens to that system
you all
> told the world would collapse because of its own inadequacies?
>
A question to ponder and not to evade. Our system is terrible? Would
more residents in Catholic countries prefer to remain their than come
over here? Is the rationale the same for the communists who had
Vatican principles against liberty but had to seal off their borders
and lie just as well?
> >Since we shouldn't have liberty and rights to property, when can we
lobby to
> have these liberties taken away from you Vaticans here in the US?
You would
> like that, wouldn't you?
>
That was a question and a true one at that, and there was nothing wrong
with it. This is just the same problem of the non-tinfoil heads
responding to a "sicko" "maniac" lest he touches more intellects and
lovers of truth and liberty. Since this strange person defended the
Ustashis and couldn't stand Ellen White, you can understand why
Seeber's statements against liberty for any other church went by
unmentioned.
So again, what if we took away the liberties of you Vaticans here in
the US since you already told us that we should have ours taken away?
> >Then leave the nation that they created and see how much more it
will be able
> to out-perform your Catholic ones in every way! There are Catholic
countries
> around today, and I don't see your version of liberty being applied
against
> them. They are now virtually poor clones of the free nations. Why
not
> demonstrate your plans on them first so that we can compare?
>
WHAT NO ANSWERING OF THE QUESTIONS STRANGE ONE??
> >Yes! If you did that, we would NEVER even allow you all around us!
I think
> you know that!
>
But OH! MSiciliana is quoting me as if she or whatever he is gains
absolute power around us! She would tolerate us, correct?
> > GREAT!! LET'S TAKE AWAY LIBERTY SO THAT WE CAN SEE THE BENEFITS
WITHOUT IT
> AND START THE TEST ON YOUR CHURCH!
>
PERFECT RESPONSE TO SOMEONE WHO JUST TOLD US THAT WE ARE NOT TO HAVE
LIBERTY!! If some strange one has a problem with that, that person
needs to first be rejuvenated at the worst prisons to get to their
level, then to the atheists, then to the common folk, and then to the
Christian level if there is any time left or any possibility.
> > DID YOU HEAR ME??!! Let's see the benefit of it! We start with
YOUR
> CHURCH!! The one who puts forth this principle should be the first
against
> whom the experiment be tested!
>
YES! GREAT!! GREAT ANSWER FOR A DESPOT WHO JUST TOLD US THAT NO OTHER
CHURCH IS TO HAVE LIBERTY BUT THE ANTICHRIST!
> >Let's see the benefit of no liberty by passing laws against this
machine
> called the Vatican!
>
>
RIGHT ON!! MAYBE SHE WILL LEARN IF CENTURIES CANNOT DO THE TRICK!
Ted McMillan
msici...@aol.cominvalid (MSiciliana) wrote:
> Ted McMillan wrote:
> >I am talking about the Apostles and not the development of prophecy
in Rome.
> Constantine was a devotee to the Sun till the day of his death.
>
>
>
Let me be a despot for a change now. I see so little proof for the
statements that I make and work to publish, I may as well take the
tinfoil hat off and be like you strangers!
Why tell me about proof when you never heard of the word in your life
over your ends justifies the means?
Ted McMillan
msici...@aol.cominvalid (MSiciliana) wrote:
> Ted McMillan wrote:
honest and
> want to know the truth!!
>
to know the
> truth, get to know Christ Jesus in the Catholic Church. He said, I
AM THE WAY,
> THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.
>
>
We are heretics to you as the millions of others you have deceived and
killed.
You have been given plenty of time to teach us about Christ and stop
telling us that Christians can lie, that Ustashis are more holy than
Ellen White or David Koresh, that no other church should have liberty
but your Vatican and many other things.
Those words are just meant to try and fool more tinfoil hat wearers,
but it will not work!
Theodore M. Seeber
> In article <20000922020121...@nso-fo.aol.com>,
> msici...@aol.cominvalid (MSiciliana) wrote:
> > Ted McMillan wrote:
> > >I am talking about the Apostles and not the development of prophecy
> in Rome.
> > Constantine was a devotee to the Sun till the day of his death.
> >
> > Provide proof, please.
>
> Let me be a despot for a change now. I see so little proof for the
> statements that I make and work to publish, I may as well take the
> tinfoil hat off and be like you strangers!
Exactly that point. There is no proof for the statements you make. Would
you like to try something that there is proof for?
> Why tell me about proof when you never heard of the word in your life
> over your ends justifies the means?
The ends DOES justify the means, to a certain extent, but the means still
need to be repented of.
Theodore M. Seeber
> Well honest readers, I knew there was no hope. To argue with the
> armies of Rome is like arguing with their creation: Communists.
I would point out that communism, like Protestantism, is simply another
possible interpretation of scriptures. By Sola Scriptura, Communism has a
right to exist, even though it is atheistic and denies the Trinity, for it
is obvious where Karl Marx got the slogan:
From Each according to his Abilities, To Each according to his Needs.
Thus, athiestic communism is the ultimate proof that Sola Scriptura can
create NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS!
Theodore M. Seeber
> In article <20000922020121...@nso-fo.aol.com>,
> msici...@aol.cominvalid (MSiciliana) wrote:
> > Ted McMillan wrote:
> > > Can you please have respect for the other heretics here who are
> honest and
> > want to know the truth!!
> >
> > At last, you are finally admitting to being a heretic. If you want
> to know the
> > truth, get to know Christ Jesus in the Catholic Church. He said, I
> AM THE WAY,
> > THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.
>
> We are heretics to you as the millions of others you have deceived and
> killed.
The only group decieving you is the Adventist Church, which claims to be
Christian.
> You have been given plenty of time to teach us about Christ and stop
> telling us that Christians can lie
Hey, if you can't see by now that there are plenty of people out there who
call themselves Christian and then lie....
>, that Ustashis are more holy than
> Ellen White or David Koresh,
At least they weren't condemning souls to hell.
> that no other church should have liberty
> but your Vatican and many other things.
No, the Vatican has no Liberty either. The entire concept that Liberty
exists for anybody (including the despots) is a lie.
> Those words are just meant to try and fool more tinfoil hat wearers,
> but it will not work!
Shouldn't that have been "mere tinfoil hat wearers", since such people are
of so low of intelligence as to not be acceptable to present evidence in
debate?
Marty McMahone
Theodore M. Seeber wrote in message ...
>On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Ted McMillan wrote:
>
>> armies of Rome is like arguing with their creation: Communists.
>
>I would point out that communism, like Protestantism, is simply another
>possible interpretation of scriptures. By Sola Scriptura, Communism has a
>right to exist, even though it is atheistic and denies the Trinity, for it
>is obvious where Karl Marx got the slogan:
>From Each according to his Abilities, To Each according to his Needs.
>
>Thus, athiestic communism is the ultimate proof that Sola Scriptura can
>create NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS!
Even for this bait fest of a set of newsgroups, that's a pretty silly
argument
Marty
Ted McMillan
100...@shell1.aracnet.com>,
> > msici...@aol.cominvalid (MSiciliana) wrote:
> > > Ted McMillan wrote:
> > honest and
> > > want to know the truth!!
> > >
want
> > to know the
> > > truth, get to know Christ Jesus in the Catholic Church. He said,
I
> > AM THE WAY,
> > > THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.
> >
> > We are heretics to you as the millions of others you have deceived
and
> > killed.
>
> The only group decieving you is the Adventist Church, which claims to
be
> Christian.
>
Is that why the Adventist Church with the Protestant Churches teach
that Christian are never to tell a lie, but you present different after
you act it out so often and even here?
> > You have been given plenty of time to teach us about Christ and stop
> > telling us that Christians can lie
>
> Hey, if you can't see by now that there are plenty of people out
there who
> call themselves Christian and then lie....
>
But Christians don't lie. If a Christian does, that Christian
confesses that he has put the Lord Jesus to shame and is full of
remorse. He confesses that he did not act like a christian.
So don't get hyped up telling us that either I or the Adventist Church
has lied when you do what you can to defend yourself in your lying.
The bible tells us in the Revelation what will happen to those who
loveth and maketh a lie. How much more that the message was directed
especially to Christians, and how much more the nature of your posts!
> >, that Ustashis are more holy than
> > Ellen White or David Koresh,
>
> At least they weren't condemning souls to hell.
>
Why be a liar! Why were the murdering the Serbs? Read the oaths!
They believe that the Protestants are damned!
> > that no other church should have liberty
> > but your Vatican and many other things.
>
> No, the Vatican has no Liberty either. The entire concept that
Liberty
> exists for anybody (including the despots) is a lie.
>
The word for today is liberty OF CONSCIENCE: NOT liberty of GUILTY
CONSCIENCE! That means that certain people strive and want to do
RIGHT. They then study the will of God to PERSONALLY find out what is
RIGHT!
If nobody has liberty therefore, you all stay with your no-liberty and
leave us alone to stay in ours! The messages given by your church and
scripture are not funny!
> > Those words are just meant to try and fool more tinfoil hat wearers,
> > but it will not work!
>
> Shouldn't that have been "mere tinfoil hat wearers", since such
people are
> of so low of intelligence as to not be acceptable to present evidence
in
> debate?
> Ted
>
And how intelligent are the Antichristians when they must post to
someone they already lied to by telling all that he is a sicko and
mentally deranged and they cannot afford to stop trailing his posts and
trying to throw the issues off the originating subject?
Theodore M. Seeber
> Theodore M. Seeber wrote in message ...
> >On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Ted McMillan wrote:
> >
> >> Well honest readers, I knew there was no hope. To argue with the
> >> armies of Rome is like arguing with their creation: Communists.
> >
> >I would point out that communism, like Protestantism, is simply another
> >possible interpretation of scriptures. By Sola Scriptura, Communism has a
> >right to exist, even though it is atheistic and denies the Trinity, for it
> >is obvious where Karl Marx got the slogan:
> >From Each according to his Abilities, To Each according to his Needs.
> >
> >Thus, athiestic communism is the ultimate proof that Sola Scriptura can
> >create NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS!
>
> Even for this bait fest of a set of newsgroups, that's a pretty silly
> argument
Is it? Read Acts Chapters 4 & 5, and you tell me.
Actually, I also have proof that another form of Atheism can be attributed
to Sola Scriptura and Fundamentalist Literal Bible Interpretation. I call
it Contradictory Fundamental Biblical Atheism, because it uses the
interpretation of funamentalists to prove that the Bible is contradictory
(and thus, that the Bible is false and God doesn't exist).
Ted
--
On this day, the Feast of St. Albert of Jerusalem
Theodore M. Seeber
> "Theodore M. Seeber" <see...@aracnet.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Ted McMillan wrote:
> >
> > > We are heretics to you as the millions of others you have deceived
> and
> > > killed.
> >
> > The only group decieving you is the Adventist Church, which claims to
> > be
> > Christian.
>
> Is that why the Adventist Church with the Protestant Churches teach
> that Christian are never to tell a lie
Interesting idea, but so OBVIOUSLY false. If Christians are taught never
to tell a lie in the Adventist Church, then why did David Koresh lie?
If Protestant Churches teach that a Christian is never to lie, then where
did Jimmy Swaggart come from?
>, but you present different after
> you act it out so often and even here?
I would suggest that this, in and of itself, proves that Adventists do
NOT, in fact, teach their members not to lie.
> > > You have been given plenty of time to teach us about Christ and stop
> > > telling us that Christians can lie
> >
> > Hey, if you can't see by now that there are plenty of people out
> there who
> > call themselves Christian and then lie....
>
> But Christians don't lie.
Then why do you?
> If a Christian does, that Christian
> confesses that he has put the Lord Jesus to shame and is full of
> remorse.
Jimmy Swaggart didn't do this.
Neither did you.
The Protestant Churches do not act Christian.
> He confesses that he did not act like a christian.
Neither do you.
> So don't get hyped up telling us that either I or the Adventist Church
> has lied
Guess you aren't Christian.
>when you do what you can to defend yourself in your lying.
Prove it.
> The bible tells us in the Revelation what will happen to those who
> loveth and maketh a lie.
Yep. So you continue to lie.
> How much more that the message was directed
> especially to Christians, and how much more the nature of your posts!
You're not Christian.
> > At least they weren't condemning souls to hell.
>
> Why be a liar!
You're condemning souls to hell by leading them away from Christ.
> Why were the murdering the Serbs?
Who were Catholic?
> Read the oaths!
> They believe that the Protestants are damned!
So do I.
That's why I'm saying you're worse. The Serbs are Catholic. Protestants
are damned. You are trying to lead people to Satan.
> > No, the Vatican has no Liberty either. The entire concept that
> > Liberty
> > exists for anybody (including the despots) is a lie.
>
> The word for today is liberty OF CONSCIENCE
You said Liberty. Not liberty of conscience. Guess you lied.
>: NOT liberty of GUILTY
> CONSCIENCE!
Like yours?
> That means that certain people strive and want to do
> RIGHT.
You obviously don't.
> They then study the will of God to PERSONALLY find out what is
> RIGHT!
You obviously didn't.
> If nobody has liberty therefore, you all stay with your no-liberty and
> leave us alone to stay in ours!
I'm not the one who crossposts illicitly, like you.
> The messages given by your church and
> scripture are not funny!
They're not ment to be. They're meant to be life CHANGING. They're meant
to change the CONSCIENCE, not leave it in the same state it was before.
> > Shouldn't that have been "mere tinfoil hat wearers", since such
> > people are
> > of so low of intelligence as to not be acceptable to present evidence
> > in
> > debate?
>
> And how intelligent are the Antichristians when they must post to
> someone they already lied to by telling all that he is a sicko and
> mentally deranged and they cannot afford to stop trailing his posts and
> trying to throw the issues off the originating subject?
Not something I'm doing, so I wouldn't know.
Of course, if the original subject is illogical I'm going to point it out.
Ted McMillan
>
> > Theodore M. Seeber wrote in message ...
> > >
Rome created communism. That's why they also agree with the communists
that liberty of conscience is a great curse to society, even though
they use the benefits of the advancement in knowledge all the time.
It was like during the Protestant Reformation also. Countless numbers
of Protestant women were raped by them, even though they told them that
they were horrible and demonic to be Protestants. Why stick your penis
in something that is so demonic?
Everything worked out for the benefit of the persecutors even against
their own words.
Ted McMillan
Honest readers, please refer to the originating posts, for the rest
that trail were made to obscure the points that were given and which
cannot be directly answered.
Theodore M. Seeber
> In article <Pine.LNX.4.21.00092...@shell1.aracnet.com>,
> "Theodore M. Seeber" <see...@aracnet.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Marty McMahone wrote:
> > > Even for this bait fest of a set of newsgroups, that's a pretty
> silly
> > > argument
> >
> > Is it? Read Acts Chapters 4 & 5, and you tell me.
> > Actually, I also have proof that another form of Atheism can be
> attributed
> > to Sola Scriptura and Fundamentalist Literal Bible Interpretation. I
> call
> > it Contradictory Fundamental Biblical Atheism, because it uses the
> > interpretation of funamentalists to prove that the Bible is
> contradictory
> > (and thus, that the Bible is false and God doesn't exist).
> > Ted
>
> Rome created communism.
According to the anti-Ted, Rome created any moral law that is inconvient
to his way of sin.
Ted
--
On this day, the Feast of Saints Cosmas and Damian
Ted McMillan
>
> > "Theodore M. Seeber" <see...@aracnet.com> wrote:
> > > On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Ted McMillan wrote:
> > >
> > > > We are heretics to you as the millions of others you have
deceived
> > and
> > > > killed.
> > >
> > > The only group decieving you is the Adventist Church, which
claims to
> > > be
> > > Christian.
> >
> > Is that why the Adventist Church with the Protestant Churches teach
>
> Interesting idea, but so OBVIOUSLY false. If Christians are taught
never
> to tell a lie in the Adventist Church, then why did David Koresh lie?
>
> If Protestant Churches teach that a Christian is never to lie, then
where
> did Jimmy Swaggart come from?
>
David Koresh is not Adventist. Jimmy Swaggart lied, but preached that
it is not Christian to lie. That is why in the scriptures it tells us
that the master of the Antichristians: the devil, is a liar from the
beginning and that when he tells a lie he speaks of his own for he is a
liar and the father of it. There is then a scripture that says that it
is impossible for God to lie. This demonstrates godly attributes and
allows us to see where the Antichristians are.
In that condemnation when Christ said those things about Satan, He was
speaking to the Scribes and Pharisees and telling them that they have
inherited the attributes of their master. We therefore accept a
religion that doesn't teach us to lie.
> >, but you present different after
> > you act it out so often and even here?
>
> I would suggest that this, in and of itself, proves that Adventists do
> NOT, in fact, teach their members not to lie.
>
Just trump it up enough till the law suit comes. After a while it will
come, and, depending on whether the courts are not that infiltrated
yet, the Adventist Church will win!
> > > > You have been given plenty of time to teach us about Christ and
stop
> > > > telling us that Christians can lie
> > >
> > > Hey, if you can't see by now that there are plenty of people out
> > there who
> > > call themselves Christian and then lie....
> >
> > But Christians don't lie.
>
> Then why do you?
>
Because a liar claims that I do here.
> > If a Christian does, that Christian
> > confesses that he has put the Lord Jesus to shame and is full of
> > remorse.
>
> Jimmy Swaggart didn't do this.
> Neither did you.
>
Then he is not a true Christians. I cannot have remorse if a liar
tells me to.
> The Protestant Churches do not act Christian.
>
> > He confesses that he did not act like a christian.
>
> Neither do you.
>
I will not if a liar tells me that I lied. If a liar tells me that I
lied, that means that I told the truth.
> > So don't get hyped up telling us that either I or the Adventist
Church
> > has lied
>
> Guess you aren't Christian.
>
Coming from you I appreciate that.
> >when you do what you can to defend yourself in your lying.
>
> Prove it.
>
I'll leave off from that for now and act like you. Do I have to prove
everything when you all don't have to? The Adventist Church doesn't
need spiritual exercises in order to cause them to accept the doctrines
and teachings that they have.
> > The bible tells us in the Revelation what will happen to those who
> > loveth and maketh a lie.
>
> Yep. So you continue to lie.
>
Coming from a liar, that means that I told the truth. Much obliged.
> > How much more that the message was directed
> > especially to Christians, and how much more the nature of your
posts!
>
> You're not Christian.
>
Thank you.
> > > At least they weren't condemning souls to hell.
> >
> > Why be a liar!
>
> You're condemning souls to hell by leading them away from Christ.
>
I am not preparing arms in order to depopulate them.
> > Why were the murdering the Serbs?
>
> Who were Catholic?
>
The murderers were the Ustashis who were Catholic, and whose writings
say the same as you about "rebellion." It was because of
that "rebellion" why the Serbs were murdered.
> > Read the oaths!
> > They believe that the Protestants are damned!
>
> So do I.
SO DID YOUR USTASHI BROTHERS!! Why would you think they did what they
did and smiled? The Apostles, you say, just looked at their enemies
and they fell dead (from one example). How can you all do that and
demonstrate that the Holy Spirit is with you? You all have to do
EVERYTHING by yourselves. Hitler was still defeated.
> That's why I'm saying you're worse. The Serbs are Catholic.
Protestants
> are damned. You are trying to lead people to Satan.
>
Please speak a little louder so that your victims about to unite in
false ecumenism can hear.
> > > No, the Vatican has no Liberty either. The entire concept that
> > > Liberty
> > > exists for anybody (including the despots) is a lie.
> >
> > The word for today is liberty OF CONSCIENCE
>
> You said Liberty. Not liberty of conscience. Guess you lied.
>
Thanks for saying that I tell the truth. But actually, for the honest
readers, I never meant freedom to do anything and everything. The word
is liberty of conscience.
> >: NOT liberty of GUILTY
> > CONSCIENCE!
>
> Like yours?
>
Would guilty conscience be better than none?
> > That means that certain people strive and want to do
> > RIGHT.
>
> You obviously don't.
>
I appreciate that!
> > They then study the will of God to PERSONALLY find out what is
> > RIGHT!
>
> You obviously didn't.
>
Thank you!
> > If nobody has liberty therefore, you all stay with your no-liberty
and
> > leave us alone to stay in ours!
>
> I'm not the one who crossposts illicitly, like you.
>
They told me that during the Dark Ages, the bible believers were
considered worse than the murderers. Now what penalty should I receive
for spreading this terrible concerns that transcends all the Christian
newsgroups?
If we both don't have liberty, remain in your space and leave God's
people alone!
> > The messages given by your church and
> > scripture are not funny!
>
> They're not ment to be. They're meant to be life CHANGING. They're
meant
> to change the CONSCIENCE, not leave it in the same state it was
before.
>
And of necessity there has to be many lies told and the people must not
know about what is coming. There are Catholic countries in existence
now where these changes are skillfully and cowardly not implemented
lest the world again sees the difference between liberty and tyranny.
> > > Shouldn't that have been "mere tinfoil hat wearers", since such
> > > people are
> > > of so low of intelligence as to not be acceptable to present
evidence
> > > in
> > > debate?
> >
> > And how intelligent are the Antichristians when they must post to
> > someone they already lied to by telling all that he is a sicko and
> > mentally deranged and they cannot afford to stop trailing his posts
and
> > trying to throw the issues off the originating subject?
>
> Not something I'm doing, so I wouldn't know.
> Of course, if the original subject is illogical I'm going to point it
out.
> Ted
>
And we found out that the Apostles persecuted by many examples its
professed spouse followed with later on in the hands-on experience!
Theodore M. Seeber
> In article <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009251417410.11400-
> 100...@shell1.aracnet.com>,
> "Theodore M. Seeber" <see...@aracnet.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, Ted McMillan wrote:
> >
> > > Is that why the Adventist Church with the Protestant Churches teach
> > > that Christian are never to tell a lie
> >
> > Interesting idea, but so OBVIOUSLY false. If Christians are taught
> never
> > to tell a lie in the Adventist Church, then why did David Koresh lie?
> > If Protestant Churches teach that a Christian is never to lie, then
> > where
> > did Jimmy Swaggart come from?
>
> David Koresh is not Adventist.
And I thought you said Christians do not lie. I know very well that the
Branch Davidians were an offshoot of Adventism.
> Jimmy Swaggart lied, but preached that
> it is not Christian to lie.
And thus, proved his own preaching to be false.
> That is why in the scriptures it tells us
> that the master of the Antichristians: the devil, is a liar from the
> beginning and that when he tells a lie he speaks of his own for he is a
> liar and the father of it.
Care to quote the scripture?
> There is then a scripture that says that it
> is impossible for God to lie.
Yes, but humans? Where does it say humans cannot lie?
> This demonstrates godly attributes and
> allows us to see where the Antichristians are.
Humans do not have godly attributes.
> In that condemnation when Christ said those things about Satan, He was
> speaking to the Scribes and Pharisees and telling them that they have
> inherited the attributes of their master. We therefore accept a
> religion that doesn't teach us to lie.
So why does your religion lie?
> > I would suggest that this, in and of itself, proves that Adventists do
> > NOT, in fact, teach their members not to lie.
>
> Just trump it up enough till the law suit comes.
You lied. Now tell me why you claim that you can't lie.
> After a while it will
> come, and, depending on whether the courts are not that infiltrated
> yet, the Adventist Church will win!
Another lie.
> > > > Hey, if you can't see by now that there are plenty of people out
> > > > there who
> > > > call themselves Christian and then lie....
> > >
> > > But Christians don't lie.
> >
> > Then why do you?
>
> Because a liar claims that I do here.
So you lie because somebody claims you lie?
> > > If a Christian does, that Christian
> > > confesses that he has put the Lord Jesus to shame and is full of
> > > remorse.
> >
> > Jimmy Swaggart didn't do this.
> > Neither did you.
>
> Then he is not a true Christians. I cannot have remorse if a liar
> tells me to.
Yet another lie.
> > The Protestant Churches do not act Christian.
> >
> > > He confesses that he did not act like a christian.
> >
> > Neither do you.
>
> I will not if a liar tells me that I lied.
You will not act like a Christian? No wonder you lie.
> If a liar tells me that I
> lied, that means that I told the truth.
Then why can't you prove what you say is the truth?
> > > So don't get hyped up telling us that either I or the Adventist
> Church
> > > has lied
> >
> > Guess you aren't Christian.
>
> Coming from you I appreciate that.
And neither is Adventism, because it has lied in the past.
> > >when you do what you can to defend yourself in your lying.
> >
> > Prove it.
>
> I'll leave off from that for now and act like you.
In other words, you'll abandon your view of Christ.
> Do I have to prove
> everything when you all don't have to?
Yes, because it is you who are making the wierd claims.
> The Adventist Church doesn't
> need spiritual exercises in order to cause them to accept the doctrines
> and teachings that they have.
Then I'd say their teachings are false, if even non-Christians can accept
them.
> > > The bible tells us in the Revelation what will happen to those who
> > > loveth and maketh a lie.
> >
> > Yep. So you continue to lie.
>
> Coming from a liar, that means that I told the truth. Much obliged.
Can't use circular logic here, sorry.
> > > How much more that the message was directed
> > > especially to Christians, and how much more the nature of your
> posts!
> >
> > You're not Christian.
>
> Thank you.
And thus, I've caught you in another lie, that your messages are directed
to Christians.
> > You're condemning souls to hell by leading them away from Christ.
>
> I am not preparing arms in order to depopulate them.
So? Death means nothing in the ecconomy of salvation. Where you go AFTER
death means everything.
> > > Why were the murdering the Serbs?
> >
> > Who were Catholic?
>
> The murderers were the Ustashis who were Catholic, and whose writings
> say the same as you about "rebellion."
As were the Serbs.
> It was because of
> that "rebellion" why the Serbs were murdered.
Who were Catholic, and therefore, as a non-Christian yourself, none of
your business.
> > > Read the oaths!
> > > They believe that the Protestants are damned!
> >
> > So do I.
>
> SO DID YOUR USTASHI BROTHERS!!
So did the Serbs. They too repeated the Nicene creed, which denies
Protestantism.
> Why would you think they did what they
> did and smiled?
I've seen no proof of this. Pictures are not proof.
> The Apostles, you say, just looked at their enemies
> and they fell dead (from one example).
Or at least, the full manner of the death was not recorded.
> How can you all do that and
> demonstrate that the Holy Spirit is with you?
Partially by being ONE. One mind, one spirit.
As opposed to you, who squabble amongst yourselves.
> > That's why I'm saying you're worse. The Serbs are Catholic.
> > Protestants
> > are damned. You are trying to lead people to Satan.
>
> Please speak a little louder so that your victims about to unite in
> false ecumenism can hear.
Better that they return to Christ, than continue to follow Satan like
you're doing.
> > > > No, the Vatican has no Liberty either. The entire concept that
> > > > Liberty
> > > > exists for anybody (including the despots) is a lie.
> > >
> > > The word for today is liberty OF CONSCIENCE
> >
> > You said Liberty. Not liberty of conscience. Guess you lied.
>
> Thanks for saying that I tell the truth. But actually, for the honest
> readers, I never meant freedom to do anything and everything. The word
> is liberty of conscience.
What you meant and what you said are two different things, thus you lied.
> > >: NOT liberty of GUILTY
> > > CONSCIENCE!
> >
> > Like yours?
>
> Would guilty conscience be better than none?
Yes, it would be, IF you act on your guilty conscience and start
repenting.
> > > That means that certain people strive and want to do
> > > RIGHT.
> >
> > You obviously don't.
>
> I appreciate that!
You appreciate that you're doing wrong?
> > > If nobody has liberty therefore, you all stay with your no-liberty
> > > and
> > > leave us alone to stay in ours!
> >
> > I'm not the one who crossposts illicitly, like you.
>
> They told me that during the Dark Ages, the bible believers were
> considered worse than the murderers.
What liar told you that?
> Now what penalty should I receive
> for spreading this terrible concerns that transcends all the Christian
> newsgroups?
No it doesn't, it's all made up.
> If we both don't have liberty, remain in your space and leave God's
> people alone!
Stop crossposting and I will.
> > They're not ment to be. They're meant to be life CHANGING. They're
> > meant
> > to change the CONSCIENCE, not leave it in the same state it was
> > before.
>
> And of necessity there has to be many lies told and the people must not
> know about what is coming.
Depends. If you follow Christ, then you follow these two commandments:
1. Do not fortell the future. Live in the present.
2. You will not know the hour or the day of the second comming.
Therefore, yes, you MUST not know what is coming, instead, trust that God
will Provide.
> There are Catholic countries in existence
> now where these changes are skillfully and cowardly not implemented
> lest the world again sees the difference between liberty and tyranny.
Except in the fiftieth year.....
> > > And how intelligent are the Antichristians when they must post to
> > > someone they already lied to by telling all that he is a sicko and
> > > mentally deranged and they cannot afford to stop trailing his posts
> > > and
> > > trying to throw the issues off the originating subject?
> >
> > Not something I'm doing, so I wouldn't know.
> > Of course, if the original subject is illogical I'm going to point it
> > out.
>
> And we found out that the Apostles persecuted by many examples its
> professed spouse followed with later on in the hands-on experience!
Mind rewriting that sentence in English? Or did you flunk 9th grade
language as well?
Ted
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