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Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.adventist, tnn.religion.catholic, alt.religion.christian.baptist
From: "Theodore M. Seeber" <seeb...@aracnet.com>
Date: 2000/09/22
Subject: Re: ###MORE REVEALING WORDS FROM SEEBER! II
On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Ted McMillan wrote: You now make a lie to me. Thus proving yourself not to be Christian. > CONTINUED FROM PART I > This is the continuation of the very revealing statements made by Ted > > > Your statements are the same despot onliners with no proof! No, I posted Scriptures to the Point. > > Rather, I've posted SCRIPTURE, the same that you claim to believe in, > You have given one-liners and then posted scripture off of the point. > I don't expect to see from people in line with the psychiatrists that Did the Apostles work Miracles through the Power of the Holy Spirit or > the story of Ananias and Saphira is a demonstration of the Apostles > killing people. not? Your interpretation has problems. > Even the Jews falsely accused the Apostles of doing No they didn't. You missed the point. > that when the word tells us that's not what happened. They accused the > Apostles of killing Ananias and Sapphira! > > > You found that with the Protestants. They didn't give you all your So am I. > > > just deserts even since the French Revolution. And no, you are in > the > > > habit of not proving what you state. Show the specific chapter and > > > verse where they became like you all and persecuted. > > The Letter of Constantine in 400 A.D. Or did you think that History > I am talking about the Apostles > and not the development of prophecy in But the story of the Apostles IS the development of Prophecy in Rome. > Rome. > Constantine was a devotee to the Sun till the day of his death. Got any REAL proof of that statement? Or just more of your fake Christian lies? > > > > > > Which is why instead of ONE Church, there are now 30,000+ It's what you said. > > > > > denominations > > > > > > serving a small minority of ex-christians. > > > > > And why are strange people who are ecumenical around in those > > > > To gain power. > > > Well then why fault the Protestant system for being bad, when it is > > Bill Clinton is not Catholic, nor is he of the Kingdom of Heaven. > That is not what I asked! You claimed that Bill Clinton, above, is an example of the Catholic infiltration of Government to build the Kingdom of Heaven. I claimed he was not. > Another despot one-liner! Don't you have something to demonstrate with I saw no such documentation in this thread, and I delete what I consider > the documentation I gave showing where he was trained and who trained > him that made him so snuggly with Communists? false information from fake Christians like yourself. But even so, it doesn't matter, for the Communists were not of the Kingdom > > > You all had nothing to do What equally strange ones? > > > with it? You all did not interfere? > > Why should we care what rebels do to other rebels? > Well why not then go home and take the equally strange ones > demanding I don't. I demand that your church CONVERT! > that our church become ecumenical with you > and see what happens to that Already collapsed because of it's own inadequacies. It's hopeless to try > system you all told the world would collapse because of its own > inadequacies? to save it now! > > > Did you all not know that the Or is it simply the truth? > > > Protestants wanted to show evidence for their claims? > > Who cares? Protestant evidence is already corrupt in my mind, because > Another despot one-liner! > Can you please have respect for the other There are none here in tnn.religion.catholic who need to hear your > heretics here who are honest and want to know the truth!! lies. Nor the baptist newsgroup, I suspect. > They don't Don't care. > want your despot rantings. > They want proof with it. Then let them, not you, ask for it. > What proof have I'll warn you ahead of time, my proof is from Scripture. Tell me first, > you that the Protestants protested against the authority of Christ? are you going to virtually burn it, like you've deleted so many of my other quotes from scripture? > I Which describes you to a T. > have shown you a scripture that tells us what happens to those who > loveth and maketh a lie. > Tell us what is going to happen to you all! It's more like what's happening to Adventism with you right now. > It all changes because you all think that you belong to the true church? No. It all changes because the Apostles are still living among us, and I follow them, rather than you. > > > The best way to You deny that the UN is sending Planned Parenthood to third world nations > > > demonstrate the truth was to leave it alone and let it come to > fruition > > > to be compared with Catholic countries. > > You mean, how the Protestant UN has been pushing abortion to ruin the > Another lie! in an attempt to instill population controls? > You need to first believe that Christians cannot lie in I'm sorry, you've proven that wrong. > order to tell the truth here. > The UN is a globalist organization AND So what? Doesn't make it any the less Protestant. > YOU KNOW IT! It is markedly different in principle from the American > Constitution. > > > Despot one-liners! Is that why you all murdered the Serbs? Like you are lying now. Christ never said any of that. > > Prove that I had anything to do with the Serbs at all. I've lived in > Christ told the Pharisees that they say to themselves that had they > We learned that we should accept I don't care about the Utashis, they weren't Christian either. > the idea that pictures can be faked rather than thinking that the > Ustashis did the things that history documents they did 50 years ago. > We then learned that Ellen White is a monster compared to the Ustashis! Don't care about either. > Christ told the Scribes and Pharisees that they will be accounted just So? What is that to me, who is neither Scribe nor Pharisee, but is > as and even more guilty of the blood of the prophets by imbibing the > same ideas and spirit of their forefathers who murdered the prophets. instead Catholic, and following Christ instead of some Man-Made SDA religion? > > > > As is Christ himself. To be not globalistic is to be He was against them. In general. > > > > exclusionary. > > > Globalists were all political. > > As was Christ, in trying to create the Kingdom of Heaven. > No proof! No example to show with Christ's interaction (or lack of it) > Your Christ will be "trying" to create the Kingdom of heaven here. No, just trying to restore it! > The The Adventist Christ has failed to show up as predicted. To me, that's > Adventist Christ, has a different Christ that, when He is ready, will > come from the skies in glory and CREATE His kingdom then! HE WILL HAVE > ALL THE GLORY BECAUSE OF THAT FACT! proof that he doesn't exist at all, that you've invented a new gospel to preach, a fake gospel to preach. Where is your Adventist Christ in the world? He isn't. But the Catholic > > You support Protestantism, which claims that alternate denominations No, actually. What I am saying is that Christians Can Lie, but choose not > > are > > valid (they are not). > Don't complain about me lying when you struggle to show us that to. Instead, you are NOT Christian, for you do lie. > I don't like the varying denominations either, but you all must like It is, as long as they are for Christ. The more ideas flying around in > it, for strange ecumenical people for the Pope are among us telling us > it is good to have a whole lot of ideas flying around! service of Christ, the more power Christ has. > Even many of I'm sorry you feel that way. But it has nothing to do with me, I have no > the Adventist leaders are infiltrators, for they are pushing the same > thing, and now they cannot accept opposition to ecumenism! control over your adventist leaders. If I did, I'd urge them to stop the pretense and convert. Let the Adventist Church and it's false gods die. > > Liberty and property? And they had neither Liberty nor Property. What use is Liberty and > > Shall we look at Acts Chapter 4 again: > > [32] And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of > one > > soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he > possessed > > was his own; but they had all things common. > THEY GAVE WILLINGLY! Property in the Kingdom of Heaven? They are only usefull in the corrupt secular governments of Earth. > > [33] And with great power gave the apostles witness of the Yes, so what? > resurrection of > > the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. > > [34] Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were > > possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the > > things that were sold, > THEY GAVE WILLINGLY! What exactly is your point? That we should allow evil to continue, that we should allow the children to starve so that you can have your color TV set? > > [35] And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was So what? > made > > unto every man according as he had need. > > Where do you see liberty and the personal right to property in that? > THEY GAVE WILLINGLY!! > I see it in the Roman government that existed right side along it. I do too. > That government was not covertly attacked nor infiltrated. Then why did it fall? > The And yet, the Apostles did. > Apostles told their followers that their portion was to be persecuted > and not to persecute themselves. > They were persecuted by that Yes. So? 400 years later, due to covert attacks and infiltration of the > government. Roman Government, it fell. Christianity had replaced the pagan system. > Since we shouldn't have liberty and rights to property, when can we Uh, they have already been. > lobby to have these liberties taken away from you Vaticans here in the > US? > You would like that, wouldn't you? My property is gladly given in service of the Church whenever neccessary. Is yours? > What about Romans 14, where is said that the Christians must be fully As we saw when I quoted the entire chapter, it doesn't say that. > persuaded in their own minds? > It meant that they should be fully It doesn't say that either. The word "HOLOCAUST" is a 20th century > persuaded of the truth, and that they become one by being PERSUADED, > NOT BY YOUR HOLOCAUSTS! invention. > Salvation does not come by laws of the land! But we can encourage it by having nothing to do with those who are not > YOU CANNOT LEGISLATE A PERSON TO BE SAVED!! saved. > > > > Why should I confirm the lie of a paranoid delusionist who seeks The Tyranny of the Merchants does. > to > > > > separate Christ, and indeed humanity, into separate groups and > thus > > > > promote warfare? > > > Because we need to confirm some more that you are the reincarnated > > And you can't, because as we have proven from scripture, you're the > This is the era of the Antichrist, for I never knew despots to really > You all claim that you are not the Yes. As anybody for TRUTH instead of lies should. > despots, yet you are all arguing here against liberty of religion and > everything else. > Why not demonstrate this blessedness you are talking I did with my confirmation, when I pledged my life to my Lord, Jesus > about against liberty by giving up yours first? Christ. Why you want liberty from him is foreign to me, and it's a thought I > For your information it is despot who would argue against liberty for I would agree with that. So why are you trying to argue against liberty > everyone else but themselves. for Catholics? > The despots are therefore in YOUR Your mirror, more like. > mirrors! > > > We are here to show the colors of each. We are here to see a Those who call themselves Christian quite often lie. > > > religion that defends lying, and then calls Ellen White a liar and a > > > fake. > > She is what she is, and you are what you are. > If Christians can lie, as you claim > and are doing constantly in your She called herself one. As do you. Myself, I call myself a Catholic. > posts on these newsgroups, from what pile of dung did you find your > consciences to call Ellen White a liar? You mean she is a Christian? > And you are what you are. Yes. I am a Catholic. > That's the problem which we demonstrate Yes, it is a problem that you are a liar. > here. > No need to send in redundant facts. If all the facts are not examined, then how shall we find truth? > We learned from She is. > you "normal" people that Ellen White is alot worse than the Ustashis > and than you people. > She doesn't teach that Christians can lie. Yes she did, for she called herself Christian and then she lied about the title of the Pope. > > > We need to become like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln as I should leave the 4 million starving children (and 26 million starving > > > other paranoid delusionists so that we can go to heaven with them > > > also! > > I believe that those two are in hell for promoting the heresy of > Then leave the nation that they created and see how much more it will adults) to the tender mercy of your Merchants? Whyever should I do that? > There are It is, but it's done through the religion, so I'm not suprised you don't > Catholic countries around today, and I don't see your version of > liberty being applied against them. see it. > They are now virtually poor clones Better that they be poor than rich, for: > of the free nations. Matt.19 [24] Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." Mark.10 [25] It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." Luke.18 [25] For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." Which one did you not understand? > Why not demonstrate your plans on them first so We are, at least, we're trying. Of course, you Protestants keep coming in > that we can compare? and messing things up. Agricultural economies need lots of workers, so you send in the UN to spread abortion and birth control so that the next generation of workers will not be born. > Is there a reason why you are not implimenting We are. That's the point. > your wonderful plans on the Catholic countries? > Is there a reason why We have been. > you cannot demonstrate your principles so that we can see and > become "fully persuaded" in our own minds? > Does it have anything to do Compare with what? An overly rich culture of death that allows millions > with the fact that you know it would not compare?? of children to starve? > Yes! If you did that, we would NEVER even allow you all around us! I The free ones, ain't so free. Costs tons to live there. > think you know that! You therefore allow the Catholic countries to > largely mimick the free ones. > > > We need to demonstrate that we are fools for Christ with the Ellen Govld VVhite? > > > tinfoil hats who will bear witness against the Children of the > > > Antichrist through evidence. > > And as we have proven, the one who supports personal liberty and > Who therefore is that who also has the name 666, Depends on how you count the name. Ronald Wilson Reagan works by another method (6 letters each, 3 names). > who will rule the Hmm, in our time, Ronald Wilson Reagan, yep. > world (as Malachi Martin points out), > who will have the blood of I wonder if there were any prophets in Grenada? Tripoli? Panama? (just > prophets on his hands (since we learned that Christians can persecute > from these persecutors here), to name the three times Reagan sent out troups to kill people). And then of course, there were the now beatified Catholic Saints in > who will think to change times and laws Trickle Down Ecconomics, anybody? > of the Most High, and all? > Which person do you know of who supports Ronald Wilson Reagan did. > personal liberty and property and will fulfill all these things? > With personal liberty, there can be no persecution! Yeah, sure, tell us another one. Tell that to all the Catholics persecuted by the Klu Klux Klan. > > > > One wonders if the Anti-Ted is an arms dealer, sowing discord to I've only heard you talk about them. > > > > both > > > > sides in hopes of making money off of the fight. > > > Just check what the Ustashis did, and we can only conclude that you > > I don't believe the Ustashis exist. They are only a figment of the > Your murderous brothers and sisters DID exist. > If they didn't exist, How could have I? Until your messages directed at me mentioned them, I > you would have said so from the beginning, didn't even KNOW about them. > and, since you Because you have shown us that you put the names of people who do exist > strange "Christians" can lie, why not explain why even Stephanie and > others explained who the Ustashis were whom you now lied to us in > telling us that they don't exist? into your false history. Like Christ. Took a while, but you finally admited you weren't talking about the Christ of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, and James. Instead, you were talking about the "Adventist Christ" of Ellen Govld VVhite. > > > DID YOU HEAR ME??!! Let's see the benefit of it! We start with Correct. > > > YOUR > > > CHURCH!! The one who puts forth this principle should be the first > > > against whom the experiment be tested! > > We did. For 1400 years, we did. The Guild Ecconomy was the most > For 1400 years the Vatican took away liberty from every other And during that time, there was no starvation, war was limited to Tuesdays, the death penalty was rare (but neccessary, they didn't have the jails we have today), there was no abortion or birth control. Hmm, shall we compare? > I ask again: Which is what the Vatican was doing in the 1400s, according to YOU! > Let's see the benefit of no liberty by passing laws against the machine > that is now covertly preaching that liberty is a great curse and sin! > Let us test it out against this machine called the Vatican! BTW, isn't that what the Pope does to himself, with his oaths of office? > > You are going against the prayer of Christ, John chapter 17. Go and Why bother? The real crime, according to John Chapter 17, is in promoting > > read > > it. > Let's see the benefit of no liberty by passing laws against this nationalism and denominationalism to begin with. How about this: If you give up your denomination and become Catholic, I'll show you how the Vatican "machine" has no liberty and is in total service to Christ. Deal? > > > > The real anti-christ is the one who stands against Christ. When? > > > WRONG! Often the word "ANTI" does not mean AGAINST biblically. > > Yeah, sure. Tell us another lie. > You told us that Christians can lie! I've told you that those who call themselves Christian often lie. But those who give themselves to Christ utterly, without reservation, do not. > Can't someone even dream to Sure. Become Catholic, then we'll chat. > approach your experience on the enterprise?? > Can't anyone be a In fact, just anyone can't be a Christian. First, you have to give > Christian according to your definition? yourself to Christ. All of yourself, not just part. That means giving up such false ideas as personal liberty and personal property, it all belongs to Christ now. Everything you do, everything you are, belongs to Christ. Do you dare match this challenge? > > > It You're not Christian. > > > often meant "in place of" as in the anti-popes that existed during > the > > > Great Schism where the Catholic Church took a long time to deal > with it- > > > -FAR LONGER than it took you guys to deal with the postings I made > > > about the Ustashis! > > I don't care about your made-up lies. > So, Christians CAN'T LIE?? > WHY DID YOU LIE?!! I don't. In fact, I've proven every one of my ideas, from Scripture. You have yet to quote scripture accurately at all. Every time we look into something you say is there, it isn't there. Romans 14 does not say we must be persuaded, only that we must follow, for instance. Ted -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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