Re: For whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to become] conformed to the image of His Son Ro. 8:28-30
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life and all htat refuse would perish. Repent, believe, and live!
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Lu 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise
perish.
2Th 2:10 and with all wicked deception for those who are to perish, because
they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
Mt 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and
stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy
children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings,
and ye would not!
2Pe 3:9 ś The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count
slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should
perish, but that all should come to repentance.
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"old man joe" <n...@home.com> wrote in message
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> " And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to
> those who love God, to those who are called according to [His]
> purpose.
>
> For whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to become] conformed to
> the image of His Son, that He might be the first-born among many
> brethren;
>
> and whom He predestined, these He also called; and whom He called,
> these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also
> glorified. " Ro. 8:28-30
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> in this text of Scripture the Apostle to the Gentiles explains the
> method God employs each time the Almighty brings to Christ another of
> His chosen ones.
>
> Paul begins by explaining that God's bringing out of the world the
> elect as the objects of salvation from the unregenerate world of
> unbelievers by naming the called ones who have that special love of
> God while the religious but unbelieving world simply puts on as a show
> of righteousness...
>
> the difference being grounded in the fact that the called ones are
> given the love of God by His indwelling Holy Spirit which the
> religious, but profane, are not given. ( 1 Cor. 2:14; Jn. 14:17 ) true
> love of God comes from God giving it to man ( 1 Joh. 4:10 ) and not
> that man in his unregenerate state decided he'd ' make a decision for
> Christ '. Joh. 1:12,13
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> with God loving the ones whom He's called according to His purpose,
> the apostle goes on to say " For whom He foreknew He also did
> predestinate." here we find that the foreknowledge of God is based in
> God Himself since " He first loved us " ( 1 Joh. 4:19 ) and that the
> foreknowledge of God is not post-knowledge...
>
> post-knowledge is a heretical doctrine which seeks to say God knows
> who will choose Christ of their own free will and thus grants them
> grace because of this good work. this is the glory seekers hope... a
> plan of salvation based on good works so that man gets the glory for
> the performance.
>
> but the Bible teaches foreknowledge and not post-knowledge, so that
> the glory for the performance goes to God in Christ.
>
> the foreknowledge of God... that in the secret counsel of His
> purpose, He has chosen certain individuals to be the objects of His
> special saving love, can be seen in persons who can not have possibly
> saw their need for salvation and thus have made some decision of their
> will to elect themselves unto the love of God... the unregenerate hate
> Christ. Joh. 15:25... of which the real elect were once all part of.
> Eph. 2:1-3
>
> these 4 Bible men, at least, were yet fetuses when God elected them
> to salvation apart from decision making... these are : Jacob; David;
> Jeremiah and John the Baptist.
>
> wonderfully, " So then it [does] not [depend] on the man who wills
> or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. " Ro. 9:16 the
> " it " that Paul is referring to is " that God's purpose according to
> [His] choice might stand, not because of works, but because of Him who
> calls " Ro. 9:11
>
> the glory goes to God through Jesus Christ for His saving work of
> first loving the ones He chose in His secret counsel in eternity past
> ( Eph. 1:3-14 ) foreknowing them and predestining them to being found
> by Jesus Christ, who came " to seek and to save " and no glory goes to
> man who claims he first loved God and decided in and of himself to
> follow Jesus unto salvation by his highly bloated and over-rated free
> will. Joh.1:12,13
>
> the free will of man wants to " be like God " and is an open door
> for Satan into man's heart; man thus chose by it to quickly shrug off
> the Living God opting rather for the god of the dead in the Garden of
> Eden. man is " dead in trespasses and sins " ( Eph. 2:1 ) just as
> this is what the stated outcome would be for man when God told him
> beforehand.
>
> so man, in his dead state of being, comes up with all sorts of vile
> solutions thinking he is God indeed and elects himself to salvation.
> he thinks he is God and he's conjured up his own ideas of how he
> brought the universe into being by his concoction of the Big Bang
> theory; his Evolution theory and the like.
>
> man writes his own theology thinking he is God. he's come up with
> Universal Salvation where everyone is saved... where some have to go
> to Purgatory to burn out some residual penalty Christ couldn't
> propitiate.
>
> in his imagination of being like God but yet being man, he also,
> like Adam, could not find a helper suitable for himself, so he's
> concocted a mate... Mary, Co-Redeemer.
>
> to prove himself God he thinks he gets messages from God in the form
> of prophesies, tongues, visions and dreams... he falls over backwards
> so everyone thinking like him can see him in his state of
> God-likeness.
>
> giving God all of the glory in Christ results from His indwelling
> Holy Spirit, who witnesses to the Person and work of Jesus Christ,
> ( Jn. 15:26 ) and perverting His Word so as to suit the doctrines of
> man for his glory, is the difference between those who are foreknown
> by the will of God and those who are foreknown by the will of man,
> ( 1 Jn. 4:5 ) in his quest to " be like God, " raising himself from
> the spiritually dead by his own wit and wisdom.
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