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Donna Kupp

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The apostle Paul said:

"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how
that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he
was buried, and that he rose again THE THIRD DAY according to
the scriptures:" 1 Corinthians 15:3-4

"But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the
FIRSTFRUITS of them that slept. For since by man came death, by
man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die,
even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own
order: Christ THE FIRSTFRUITS; afterward they that are Christ's
at his coming." 1 Corinthians 15:20-23.

Mar 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first [day] of the
week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had
cast seven devils.

The word [day] was added by the translators.

According to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament
Words:

SABBATON is used (a) in the ***plural*** in the phrase "the first
day of the week"

Let us see what happens if we omit the word [day] and translate
sabbaton in the ***plural***:

It would read: "the first of the weeks" [which is Nisan 16, THE
WAVE SHEAF OF FIRST FRUITS.]

Donna Kupp

Notes:

Nisan 16 is the "morrow after the sabbath" of Nisan 15. The Feast
Of Pentecost is seven weeks from Nisan 16. (Leviticus 23). Nisan
16 is not associated with a certain day of the week because it is
calculated from the appearance of the new moon!

dk

http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/show.php?i=630302&cat=0

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glenn

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Donna Kupp wrote:
> The apostle Paul said:
>
> "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how
> that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he
> was buried, and that he rose again THE THIRD DAY according to
> the scriptures:" 1 Corinthians 15:3-4
>
> "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the
> FIRSTFRUITS of them that slept. For since by man came death, by
> man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die,
> even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own
> order: Christ THE FIRSTFRUITS; afterward they that are Christ's
> at his coming." 1 Corinthians 15:20-23.
>
> Mar 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first [day] of the
> week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had
> cast seven devils.
>
> The word [day] was added by the translators.

Correct: the word "day" was added. However, you are straining at a gnat
and swallowing a camel!

You do not need to depend on the translation of the TERM "Sabbath" in
order to determine which DAY Jesus was resurrected.

First, determine HOW MANY DAYS He was to remain dead _before_ His
resurrection.

Many scriptures tell us: "Three days," and "On the Third day."

[KJV] Matthew 16:21
"From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that
he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and
chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third
day.
And see: 17:23, 20:19.

[KJV] Acts 10:40
Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

The Jews who murdered Him _knew_ He claimed He would rise again on the
THIRD day. Mat 27:64

He was to be dead three days, and rise on the third day.

Second, simply define what time on *which day* He was crucified,

Both Mathew and Mark tell us.

Mat 27:
62 Now the next day, [The Sabbath] that followed the day of the
preparation, [Christ was crucified on Friday] the chief priests and
Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet
alive, After three days I will rise again.

Mark 15:
25 And it was the third hour,[about 9 AM] and they crucified him.
26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE
KING OF THE JEWS.
27 And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand,
and the other on his left.
28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered
with the transgressors.
29 And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and
saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days,
30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross.
31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with
the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.
32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we
may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.
33 And when the sixth hour [about noon] was come, there was darkness
over the whole land until the ninth hour.
34 And at the ninth hour [*about 3 PM*] Jesus cried with a loud
voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being
interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
35 And some of them that stood by, when they heard it, said, Behold,
he calleth Elias.
36 And one ran and filled a spunge full of vinegar, and put it on a
reed, and gave him to drink, saying, Let alone; let us see whether Elias
will come to take him down.
37 And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.
38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the
bottom.
39 �And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he
so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son
of God.
40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary
Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;
41 (Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered
unto him;) and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.
42 �And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation,
that is, *the day before the sabbath,*

Here is a undeniably clear statement that Jesus was crucified on Friday,
the day of "the preparation."

43 Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited
for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved
the body of Jesus.
44 And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him
the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead.
45 And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph.
46 And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in
the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and
rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.
47 And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he
was laid.

Therefore, it is clear that Jesus was dead on Friday at about 3 PM, and
His body was laid in the tomb _BEFORE_ Sunset Friday, BEFORE the Sabbath
began.

So Jesus was in the Tomb, dead, Friday, while it was still Friday.

That's one day.

Jesus was to be dead three days until His Resurrection.
IF JESUS WAS NOT DEAD THREE DAYS, THEN SATAN HAS BROKEN THE SCRIPTURE!

Jesus was in his grave Friday = 1 Day.

Jesus was in his grave Saturday = 2nd day.

Now the question is, when did Christ arise?

According to Jewish Law, the day is from sunset to sunset. Thus, Friday
is from Sunset on Thursday to Sunset Friday. At sunset Friday, the
Sabbath begins. The Seventh Day, Sabbath, ENDS AT SUNSET on Saturday.
Sunday, or the first of the weeks, or the first of the week (However you
want to say it) begins at sunset of the Sabbath.

There is NO REASON to believe that GOD would resurrect HIS Son during
the DAY of the Sabbath and thus break His Word.

If God resurrected His Son _after_ sunset on the Seventh day, THEN IT
WAS SUNDAY AND HE WAS DEAD THREE DAYS! But there is NO REASON to believe
that GOD resurrected HIS Son during the dark hours of the First of the
weeks, or the first of the week.

It *IS* reasonable to believe that Christ was risen at first light, as
soon as the night began to fade toward daylight -- that's when the
rooster usually greets the dawn!

So Christ was dead three days, was in His grave until the third day, and
was raised by GOD on Sunday just before sunrise -- when the women came
to His tomb.

Clearly:
Mark 15:
1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first
[day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the
sepulchre.

"At the end of the Sabbath"
The Sabbath ends at sunset of the Seventh Day, or Saturday at dusk. But
the women were not about to go into the grave during darkness, so they
waited until first light, then they went to the grave and arrived "as it
began to dawn toward the first....

It does not matter how the Sabatarians interpret the last few words.
Since Christ was resurrected _AFTER_ the Sabbath ended... and /that/
means the third day, Sunday.

--
Glenn

.
The year's in the wane
There is nothing adorning
The night has no eve
And the day has no morning
Old winter gives warning.
Hood
.

duke

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On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:05:55 -0800 (PST), Donna Kupp <dk...@charter.net> wrote:

The people that were there ALL said it was Friday that he was crucified and
passed this down thru the ages Pope to Pope.

That's a lot better than trying to understand words in a book.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

Donna Kupp

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se'nnight

Regarding Christ's Resurrection:

sabbaton, #4521, must be translated weeks because it is referring to
a se'nnight; i.e. the interval between two sabbaths pertaining to the
festival sabbaths.

The Jewish calendar is lunisolar; that is, the months are reckoned
according to the moon, and the year of twelve or thirteen months,
according to the sun.

The seventh day sabbath is according to the sun. It is from sunset
of the sixth day to sunset of the seventh day.

The festival sabbaths are according to the moon. The Festal year
begins with the new moon of Nisan.

Passover = Nisan 14

Feast of Unleavened Bread = Nisan 15. (No work was done on
Nisan 15)

Wave Sheaf of FIRSTFRUITS = Nisan 16

The apostle Paul said: "... Christ died for our sins according to the
scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third
day according to the scriptures:" 1 Corinthians 15:3-4

According to the scriptures, Christ arose from the dead on Nisan 16.

Donna Kupp

Nothing in the scriptures supports "Easter Sunday" to commemorate
the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the tomb. Nor do they support
Pentecost as being on the first day of the week. (Sunday)

You think that I am wrong? If so, please show us where Jesus or the
apostles ever gave authority to change the weekly sabbath from the
seventh day to the first day. Please show us with book, chapter and
verse where Jesus or the apostles ever gave the church instructions
to even observe Christ's resurrection. Thank you.

glenn

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Straining at a gnat.

>
> The Jewish calendar is lunisolar; that is, the months are reckoned
> according to the moon, and the year of twelve or thirteen months,
> according to the sun.

Straining at a gnat.

>
> The seventh day sabbath is according to the sun. It is from sunset
> of the sixth day to sunset of the seventh day.

Correct, but still straining at a gnat.

>
> The festival sabbaths are according to the moon. The Festal year
> begins with the new moon of Nisan.

The Romans were not concerned with Jewish holidays.

>
> Passover = Nisan 14
>
> Feast of Unleavened Bread = Nisan 15. (No work was done on
> Nisan 15)
>
> Wave Sheaf of FIRSTFRUITS = Nisan 16
>
> The apostle Paul said: "... Christ died for our sins according to the
> scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third
> day according to the scriptures:" 1 Corinthians 15:3-4
>
> According to the scriptures, Christ arose from the dead on Nisan 16.
>
> Donna Kupp

Again I tell you, you strain at a gnat and swallow the camel.

Christ rose on the third day.

Christ was crucified on "the day of preparation" which was Friday,
before the Sabbath

Day one: Christ was dead and buried Friday before sunset
Day Two: Christ was dead and in the grave on the Sabbath.
Day Three: Christ was resurrected on the third day.

Count, Donna, Count 1, 2, 3.

Friday
Saturday
Sunday.

Christ was risen before sunrise (when the women arrived) on the day
following Sabbath.

[found on the 'net]

Astronomical Evidence: Which Day did Christ Rise?

Quote
Now, we know that Jesus Christ attended several Passover celebrations. A
most notable one occurred when he drove traders from the temple [John
2:13-25]. In fact, that was the first one which he attended after being
baptized by John the Baptizer. Now, the Passover of 28 A. D. was after
September 16, 28 A. D. (the earliest date on which John the Baptizer
could have been baptizing). The next Passover was the one in 29 A. D.
So, I ran the program called EQUINOX.COM to find the dates of the
Passovers in 29 A. D. through 35 A. D., because these are the Passovers
which are the prime candidates for application to the preaching days of
Jesus and John. I would note that Jesus turned over the tables of the
money changers a second time at the Passover of 33 A. D. In fact, it
may have been the third time. All such Passovers are on Nisan 14, and
these were the results as follows:

Candidate Passover Dates for the Death of Jesus Christ

# 29 A. D. Friday, April 15.91
# 30 A. D. Wednesday, April 5.28
# 31 A. D. Sunday, March 25.64
# 32 A. D. Saturday, April 12.54
*** # 33 A. D. Wednesday, April 1.9 ***
# 34 A. D. Monday, March 22.28
# 35 A. D. Sunday, April 10.17

Identification of the Passover on Which Jesus Died on a Torture Stake on
Friday
Now, the first duty is to identify the Passover on which Jesus died on a
torture stake. Luke 23:44-56 tells us that Jesus died on a torture stake
on Friday afternoon at 3 P. M. [also known as the sixth hour

[correction, 9th hour]

of daylight]. The next day, which began at sundown, was Saturday or the
sabbath for the Jews. We would call it Friday until midnight, but they
called it Saturday at sundown. Of course, we call the day which Jesus
died on a torture stake Good Friday. So, then the Last Supper had been
on Thursday at sundown, though we would call it Friday until midnight.
Only one of the computed Passover times for the years 29 A. D. through
35 A. D. qualifies. The one in 30 A. D. was too early, and the
scriptures mention at least three passovers before Jesus died on a
torture stake. All the other dates are Sunday, Saturday, and Monday.
None of those could qualify. However, the one in 33 C. E. could be the
one (in fact must be the one).
Confirming the Death Date of Jesus via ALMANAC.EXE

So, I ran the program ALMANAC.EXE from Willman-Bell, Inc. to examine the
year of 33 A. D. astronomically. It gave a Spring equinox on March 22nd
and an astronomer's new moon on March 19th at 15 hours and 41 minutes.
But, the astronomer's new moon is invisible, so the next day, March 20th
was Nisan 1, after sunset. The Passover was then 13 days later, or April
2nd after sunset. To us, that was the evening of Thursday, April 2nd of
33 A. D. To them, after sunset it was Friday, April 3rd of 33 A. D. And,
yes, this fits perfectly Good Friday. In fact, it was the only time from
29 A. D. through 35 A. D. that the Passover [which became the Last
Supper for Christians] came at the proper time for the description in
the Holy Bible. The next day, Jesus died on a torture stake at 3 P. M.
on Friday, April 3rd of the Julian Calendar. Saturday, which was a
sabbath [which did not begin until sunset].

Regarding the death of Jesus, I further ran the program CALENDAR.EXE
provided by Willman-Bell, Inc. It showed that on April 3rd of 33 A. D.
the sun rose just as the moon set. Further, for about 3/4 of an hour, at
about 3 P. M. there was a total eclipse of the moon. As the sun was
darkened on a bright day, according to witnesses, both the sun and the
moon failed to give their light as prophesied. I suspect that God turned
the entire earth 180 degrees for 45 minutes, while he examined closely
the death of his son, Christ Jesus, and to fulfill the prophecy. Of
course, Almighty God can do whatever he wants and in whatever way
desired. Just a guess!
Passover of 30 A. D. Exactly 3 Solar Years from Resurrection of Jesus in
33 A. D.

[endit]

Source:
http://members.fortunecity.com/danzel/chrono.htm

Note:
I just discovered this, and can not verify it's accuracy.

However, note that Jesus was a t the passover supper BEFORE he was
crucified, on Friday.

He was in the grave Friday before sunset.
He was in the grave Saturday all day
He rose the third day before Sunrise when the women came to his tomb.

Donna Kupp

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Donna writes to Duke:

Most of Christianity has set aside the Commandment of God
to keep the traditions of men.

Here, is historical evidence that my statement agrees with the
Archbishop of Reggio at the Council of Trent:

"The Protestants CLAIM TO STAND UPON THE WRITTEN
WORD ONLY; they profess to hold the scriptures alone as the
standard of faith. They justify their revolt by the plea that
the
Church has apostatized from the written word and follows
tradition. Now the Protestant's claim that they stand upon the
written word alone is not true.

Their profession of holding the Scriptures alone as the
standard of faith is false. Proof: THE WRITTEN WORD
EXPLICITLY ENJOINS THE OBSERVANCE OF THE
SEVENTH DAY AS THE SABBATH. They DO NOT observe
the seventh day, but reject it. If they truly hold the
scriptures
alone as the standard, they would be observing the seventh day
as it is enjoined in the Scripture throughout.

Yet they not only reject the observance of the sabbath as
enjoined in the written word, but they have adopted, and do
practice, the observance of Sunday, for which they have
ONLY THE TRADITION OF THE CHURCH.

Consequently, the claim of scripture alone as the standard
fails
and the doctrine of 'Scripture and tradition as essential' is
fully
established, the Protestants themselves being Judges."

(See The Proceedings of the Council of Trent, Augsburg
Confession, and Encyclopedia Britannica, article
"Trent, Council of")

Here is a link to the complete article:

http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/view.php?u=1091371

duke

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On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:21:26 -0800 (PST), Donna Kupp <dk...@charter.net> wrote:

>On Jan 3, 2:51�pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:05:55 -0800 (PST), Donna Kupp <dk...@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>> The people that were there ALL said it was Friday that he was crucified and
>> passed this down thru the ages Pope to Pope.
>>
>> That's a lot better than trying to understand words in a book.
>>
>> The Dukester, American-American
>> *****
>> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>> Pope Paul VI
>> *****

>Donna writes to Duke:

>Most of Christianity has set aside the Commandment of God
>to keep the traditions of men.

Not the Catholics.

God created for 6 days and rested on the 7th day. So....what day is the sabbath
if not the one day given to God?

I

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"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>>Most of Christianity has set aside the Commandment of God
>>to keep the traditions of men.
>
> Not the Catholics.


Catholicism is BUILT upon tradition.


--
"All things are probable. Try to believe. Really! Try to believe even if
it's bloody stupid and irrational. Why? Because I said so, that's why!
Don't ask questions. Just believe." - Mark 17: 1- 3 (MTV)

Donna Kupp

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On Jan 4, 1:31 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

Donna wrote:

"Most of Christianity has set aside the Commandment of God
to keep the traditions of men."

Duke wrote:

> Not the Catholics.

Donna writes:

Are you obtuse? That statement that I accurately quoted is from an
archbishop. Now, you are going to have to decide whether you will
obey The Sabbath Commandment that honors your Creator -or the
tradition that is a lie.

Jesus Christ will be your judge in this matter, and this is the
standard
that he said he would use:

" ... if you would enter life, keep the commandments." Matthew 19:17

These words were addressed to the church:

" Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right
to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the
city. For
without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers,
and idolaters, AND WHOSOEVER LOVETH AND MAKETH A LIE."
Revelation 22:14-15

Your choice ...

Donna Kupp

Nyarlat Hotep

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Your scripture is a lie. There was no resurrection.

duke

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On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:44:10 +1100, "I" <itsme@home000000000000038> wrote:

>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>>Most of Christianity has set aside the Commandment of God
>>>to keep the traditions of men.
>>
>> Not the Catholics.

>Catholicism is BUILT upon tradition.

All scripture is built on HOLY Tradition. The earliest gospels were "written"
30-60 years after Christ died. And canon scripture was not declared until the
4th century.

Donna Kupp

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On Jan 6, 4:05 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> All scripture is built on HOLY Tradition.  The earliest gospels were "written"
> 30-60 years after Christ died.  And canon scripture was not declared until the
> 4th century.

Donna writes:

The Old Testament scriptures have greater authority than the church.
The church has no authority to change a law of God. Archbishop
of Reggio's statement at the Council of Trent confirms the truth of
Paul's warning that wolves would enter into the early church and
speak perverse things.

"For I know this, that after my departing
shall grievous wolves enter in among you,
not sparing the flock.

Also OF YOUR OWN SELVES shall men arise,
**speaking perverse things**,
to draw away disciples after them."
Acts 20:29-30 (KJV)

We must use the teaching of Jesus and the Old Testament
Scriptures for doctrine, for reproof, for correction and for
instruction in righteousness. All things must be rejected if
they don't agree with them. (including the Pope and church fathers)

THE SCRIPTURES PRE-EXIST THE CHURCH

Timothy was born at Lystra and had a Greek father and a
Jewish mother. His grandmother (Lois) and mother
(Eunice) taught him the scriptures from childhood. So,
when Paul wrote these words to Timothy, he was referring
ONLY to the Old Testament Scriptures:

"And that from a CHILD thou hast known the holy
scriptures, WHICH ARE ABLE TO MAKE THEE WISE
UNTO SALVATION THROUGH FAITH WHICH IS IN
CHRIST JESUS. All scripture is given by inspiration of
God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
correction, for instruction in righteousness." 2 Tim 3:15-16

An Old Testament saint, Timothy's grandmother, believed
in Jesus because the scriptures testified of him. That
second letter of Paul to Timothy (Now part of The New
Testament) gives us irrefutable evidence that The Old
Testament Scriptures have greater authority than the
traditions of the church.

Donna Kupp

duke

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On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:18:19 -0600, Nyarlat Hotep
<cthulh...@arkham.hotmail.com> wrote:

>Your scripture is a lie. There was no resurrection.

Tell satan you did everything you could to support him.

duke

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On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:13:58 -0800 (PST), Donna Kupp <dk...@charter.net> wrote:

>On Jan 4, 1:31�pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>Donna wrote:
>"Most of Christianity has set aside the Commandment of God
>to keep the traditions of men."

>Duke wrote:
>> Not the Catholics.
>Donna writes:

>Are you obtuse? That statement that I accurately quoted is from an
>archbishop. Now, you are going to have to decide whether you will
>obey The Sabbath Commandment that honors your Creator -or the
>tradition that is a lie.

My creator created for 6 days and rested on the 7th day. Now what day is the
7th day? Any idea?

>Jesus Christ will be your judge in this matter, and this is the
>standard that he said he would use:
>" ... if you would enter life, keep the commandments." Matthew 19:17
>These words were addressed to the church:

Absolutely.

>" Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right
>to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the
>city. For
>without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers,
>and idolaters, AND WHOSOEVER LOVETH AND MAKETH A LIE."
>Revelation 22:14-15
>
>Your choice ...

I do.

duke

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On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 04:49:20 -0800 (PST), Donna Kupp <dk...@charter.net> wrote:

>On Jan 6, 4:05�am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> All scripture is built on HOLY Tradition. �The earliest gospels were "written"
>> 30-60 years after Christ died. �And canon scripture was not declared until the
>> 4th century.
>
>Donna writes:

>The Old Testament scriptures have greater authority than the church.
>The church has no authority to change a law of God.

We haven't changed the 10 commandments. What are you trying to say?

>We must use the teaching of Jesus and the Old Testament
>Scriptures for doctrine, for reproof, for correction and for
>instruction in righteousness. All things must be rejected if
>they don't agree with them. (including the Pope and church fathers)

> THE SCRIPTURES PRE-EXIST THE CHURCH

Only the OT.

Donna Kupp

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On Jan 6, 9:56 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> >Donna writes:
> >The Old Testament scriptures have greater authority than the church.
> >The church has no authority to change a law of God.

Duke wrote:

> We haven't changed the 10 commandments.  What are you trying to say?

Donna writes:

Here it the proof that you requested:

THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD

EXODUS 20:8-11

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour,
and *do all thy work*:

But the seventh day is the sabbath
of the LORD thy God:
in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor
thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant,
nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor
thy stranger that is within thy gates:

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth,
the sea, and all that in them is,
and **rested the seventh day**:
wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day,
and hallowed it. Exod 20:8-11 (KJV)

THE TRADITION OF MAN

"It was the Catholic church which by the authority of Jesus
Christ has transferred this rest to Sunday in remembrance of
the resurrection of our Lord. Thus the observance of Sunday
by the Protestants is an homage they pay in spite of themselves,
to the authority of the (Catholic) church"
Catholic Press, Australia, August 25,1900

duke

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Jan 7, 2010, 1:02:52 PM1/7/10
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>THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD

>EXODUS 20:8-11

That's what I said.

>THE TRADITION OF MAN

>"It was the Catholic church which by the authority of Jesus
>Christ has transferred this rest to Sunday in remembrance of
>the resurrection of our Lord.

Transferred to Sunday???? Sunday is the day of rest. The sabbath is the day of
rest.

What you're trying to day is that we must keep Saturday holy.

Donna Kupp

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Jan 7, 2010, 3:25:30 PM1/7/10
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Donna writes:

The Commandment of God tells us that we must keep the
seventh day holy (Saturday). The scriptures have never cancelled
that commandment; nor have they changed it.

Nyarlat Hotep

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Jan 9, 2010, 4:48:41 PM1/9/10
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duke wrote:

> Tell satan you did everything you could to support him.

Satan is fake, too, dumbass.

Bob Young

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On 1/7/10 1:40 AM, in article mni9k5188gdjaqv1m...@4ax.com,
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:18:19 -0600, Nyarlat Hotep
> <cthulh...@arkham.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Your scripture is a lie. There was no resurrection.
>
> Tell satan you did everything you could to support him.

A waste of time Dook, your Satan is just anther invention from them minds of
insecure early insecure humans

But you are welcome to prove me wrong if you can.

Nyarlat Hotep

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Jan 9, 2010, 4:51:05 PM1/9/10
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duke wrote:

> All scripture is built on HOLY Tradition.

Nonsense. It is built on delusional ranting on the part of people who
plan to profit from the ignorance of their audience.

Jesus is fake. His mother was a whore. His father was a john. Deal with it.

Defecating in the beard of Christ whilst wiping clean mine buttocks with
the Gospels,

Nyarlat Hotep

PS: www.jesusneverexisted.com

duke

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Jan 10, 2010, 1:59:59 PM1/10/10
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Well, you're sure one of the volunteers looking forward to meeting him.

duke

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Jan 10, 2010, 2:00:52 PM1/10/10
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On 9 Jan 2010 20:09:03 -0600, Bob Young <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>On 1/7/10 1:40 AM, in article mni9k5188gdjaqv1m...@4ax.com,
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:18:19 -0600, Nyarlat Hotep
>> <cthulh...@arkham.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Your scripture is a lie. There was no resurrection.
>>
>> Tell satan you did everything you could to support him.
>
>A waste of time Dook, your Satan is just anther invention from them minds of
>insecure early insecure humans
>But you are welcome to prove me wrong if you can.

Too bad you can show you're right, but no cigar.

Tio Nyarlathotep

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Jan 12, 2010, 10:49:27 PM1/12/10
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Dear Child Molester,

>> A waste of time Dook, your Satan is just anther invention from them minds of
>> insecure early insecure humans
>> But you are welcome to prove me wrong if you can.
>
> Too bad you can show you're right, but no cigar.

Only the one making the positive assertion need provide proof. You say
Satan exists, you must give us a DNA sample. Maybe a sperm sample from
your mother's panties will prove to be from Satan, g'luck.

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