If, as they say, there is an eternal burning hell... then unbeliever's have eternal life... such is nowhere taught in the Bible...
old man joe
the whole idea of an eternal, burning, tormenting hell into which all unbeliever's go
teaches that unbeliever's have eternal life. so then, not only do the elect of God have
eternal life but all persons have eternal life... believer's an unbeliever's alike.
such an idea that unbeliever's come into the world with eternal life is found nowhere in
Holy Scripture. some try to prove it by isolating the parable of the rich man and Lazarus
from the rest of the Bible and thus violate a basic premise of Biblical interpretation of
comparing Scripture with Scripture.
there comes then the need to change a great number of passages to fit the idea of
unbeliever's being born into the world with eternal life. one such passage would be
Ro. 6:23. it would then have to read... ' For the wages of sin is eternal life, but the
free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. " but the passage read's...
" For the wages of sin is death. "
after all, Christ paid the penalty for the sins of His elect ones, which was death. if
there was such a thing as an eternal, tormenting, burning hell into which one pay's for
all eternity the penalty of sin, then rightfully Christ would still be in eternal,
tormenting, burning hell so as to fully pay for the penalty of sin.
this one fact escapes everyone espousing an eternal hell for unbeliever's.
in 1 Cor. 15:51- 56 Paul goes on to say that at the return of Christ, commonly called the
Rapture, the bodies of His elect will be raised incorruptible while no mention is made of
the unbelieving non-elect as being raised. what then became of the unbeliever's who have
eternal life also ?
the fact is, they are dead. these came into the world at birth dead in trespasses and
sin's ( Ps. 58:3; Eph. 2:1-3 ) where then did they get eternal life since Adam and Eve
lost that in the Garden when they transgressed ?
" They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore
hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish. " Is. 26:14
when God says " they are dead, they shall not live " and that " they shall not rise "
means exactly that.... no unbeliever has eternal life. which will win... denominational
tradition or the Word of God ?
immortality is a pagan Greek idea popularized by the philosopher's of ancient Greece.
other cultures had such idea's but the Greek philosopher's are the ones who influenced
pagan Roman thought which eventually trickled into the pagan Christianity the Church of
Rome is famous for. the wages of sin for which Christ paid the penalty of for the sins of
His elect ones was His death.
it is wholly without warrant to say unbeliever's terminate in a conscience, burning,
eternal, tormenting hell fire when the Bible says to the contrary. such is used as a tool
to scare people into " accepting Jesus as their Lord and Savior " so co-redemption and the
pride of personal achievement will win out over salvation by grace alone.
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for
that man if he had never been born.
Sockie
<jwshe...@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Mr 14:21 - The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but
> woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for
> that man if he had never been born.
What every happened to forgiveness and turning the other cheek? ;-)
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
> <jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
When you betray the one who forgives you,
none are left to forgive you.
Jim
Heb 1:3 - Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express
image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his
power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right
hand of the Majesty on high;
pyotr filipivich
about Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:11:00 -0600 did write/type or cause to
appear in alt.religion.christian.episcopal the following:
God forgives. Those who don't accept that forgiveness, are going
to have a miserable eternity.
-
pyotr filipivich
Monotheism, someone has said, offers two simple axioms:
1) There is a God.
2) It's not you.
OB...@aol.com
<jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
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I wonder what Harold Camping of the Family Radio would say if you
gave him Mark 14.21 ? What is better to be not born at all and never
see the sun ,experience sexual intimacy,taste food or to be born and
experience life ?
Camping for decades used to teach literal hot hell and all of sudden
changed his view on hell so now how to reconcile Mark 14.21 with his
new view ?!
I teach there is no hell but have some backup understanding that will
explain Mark 14.21 .
Namely, it would be better off for that person not be born but stay in
the womb of mother and die as that unborn person ( child ) would be
born in the future Paradise on earth and be able to live and have a
chance to live longer even eternally .
But that is not possible in the teachings Harold Camping presents he
has got different views on many related subejects.
OB...@aol.com
live for 70 or 80 years in unbelief and die then .The unborn children
will be born in the Paradise .But to know that you must know there
will be sexual intimacy in the Paradise and that required God Yahweh
to let me understand from the Bible that there will be marriages in
the Paradise and that was hidden from mankind for ages .
Matthew 22.30 is misunderstood commonly .It is there you can read
there will be no men and women marrying in the Paradise which has
another meaning - spiritual meaning !
Jesus was speaking about his followers who are spiritually married to
him already and they will not need to marry again to him in the
Paradise .
These followers of Jesus are men as God's sons and women as a
collective bride of Christ .So these " men and women " will not marry
to Jesus in the Paradise ! Matthew 13.11,34-35.
Jesus was teaching in parables that had hidden meaning ( spiritual
one ).
Psalm 128 testifies to the fact each servant of God Yahweh will be
blessed with wife and children .There are some who die without
marrying in this life but God's promise cannot be broken so they will
have to have wives in the future after the resurrection.
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to
enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into
the fire that never shall be quenched:
9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee
to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell,
into the fire that never shall be quenched:
9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for
thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two
eyes to be cast into hell fire:
9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.