Sin and repent; sin and repent; sin and repent ...
Donna Kupp
The first word of the gospel that Jesus and the apostles preached
was "Repent.". Unfortunately, most of modern Christianity has
departed from the truth of Jesus and the apostles when they say that
we can sin and repent; sin and repent; sin and repent --because God
will always forgive our sins; past, present and future.
Repent does not mean to simply say "I am sorry". Rather it means
to cease from willful sin altogether. True repentence is to choose to
cease from sin completely and forever (knowing that one cannot
possibly do so apart from the Spirit of God).
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of
you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye
shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Acts 2:38
In that verse the word "repent" is from the Greek metanoeo
rendered as an aorist Imperative which means: "a command for
doing something in the future that is a simple action. This is
contrasted with the present imperative, which involves a command
for continuous or repetitive action."
Peter was saying that they should repent (once and for all) not
continuously repent and sin and repent and sin and repent etc....
What he said was:
Repent and....you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."
First the full repentence and then the Holy Spirit.
"And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy
Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him." Acts 5:32
Obviously it cannot also be true that God has given the Holy Spirit
to those who disobey Him... (People who have spiritual gifts and
disobey God do not have the indwelling Holy Spirit and are not
born again.)
Many Christians have never made that full repentence because they
have been told that they can never really cease from sin. Therefore,
they are told, if they sin "occasionally" but do not have a "lifestyle
of sin" (whatever that means?) they will still inherit eternal life.
Nothing could be further from the truth!
"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin" 1John 3:9
Now, let the scriptures correct the deception that God will always
forgive our willful sins: past, present and future.
When we have faith in The Father and His Son Jesus Christ and
have truly repented, our past sins are forgiven:
" Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his
blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are
past, through the forbearance of God;" Rom 3:25
When we are converted all past sins are forgiven. After a person is
born-again, only sins of ignorance are forgiven. If a person sins
with knowledge and intent after that time, they have blasphemed
the Holy Spirit and there is no more sacrifice for sin. See Hebrews
6:1-8; Hebrews 10:26-31.
Jesus gave us no options; we must surrender this lifetime to Him,
no matter what it may cost! The first act of our surrender is to obey
God's law, just as Jesus said:
"... but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."
Matthew 19:17 KJV
Donna Kupp
http://groups.google.com/group/Freetruth?hl=en,
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/show.php?i=630302&cat=0
The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.freetruth.info
Randy ®
Donna Kupp <dk...@charter.net> wrote:
> Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin" 1John 3:9
...present tense, meaning they don't keep on practicing the same
sin, not that they do not ever sin again, at any time:
1 John 1:8 NIV
(8) If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the
truth is not in us.
By claiming she doesn't sin any more, Donna Kupp exposes herself
as a deceiver who does not have the truth in her. And it won't
work to claim this is referring to a one-time salvation
experience, because verse 9 also uses the present tense when it
says if we "confess" (keep on confessing) our sin, God is
faithful and just to cleanse and forgive us of it.
--
Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
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duke
>Sin and repent; sin and repent; sin and repent ...
>
>The first word of the gospel that Jesus and the apostles preached
>was "Repent.". Unfortunately, most of modern Christianity has
>departed from the truth of Jesus and the apostles when they say that
>we can sin and repent; sin and repent; sin and repent --because God
>will always forgive our sins; past, present and future.
Who said that?
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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Donna Kupp
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:16:40 -0800 (PST), Donna Kupp <dk...@charter.net> wrote:
> >Sin and repent; sin and repent; sin and repent ...
>
> >The first word of the gospel that Jesus and the apostles preached
> >was "Repent.". Unfortunately, most of modern Christianity has
> >departed from the truth of Jesus and the apostles when they say that
> >we can sin and repent; sin and repent; sin and repent --because God
> >will always forgive our sins; past, present and future.
Duke asked:
> Who said that?
Donna writes:
Unfortunately, most of modern Christianity. I hope you and other
readers will be alert and observe how many times so-called Christians
will even say: "God forgive me for what I am about to do." They are
presuming that they can "repent" and God will forgive them for that
willful future sin.
Donna
gabriel
<dk...@charter.net> wrote:
: Sin and repent; sin and repent; sin and repent ...
So in other words, are you claiming a Christian will never sin
again for the rest of his or her life?
For example they will never again disobey the commandment to love
others as themselves?
Never disobey God's commandment to love God with all their heart,
mind, strength?
Never again break a single one of even the Ten Commandments for
the rest of their life, including lusting after another person in
the heart, and being angry at someone else without cause?
Including not disobeying every other commandment of God on how we
should act as believers?
:
: Now, let the scriptures correct the deception that God will always
Turban Joe Balasootoe
This one did not repent, is begging for water.
ROTGUT
Who voted for him--nobody knows.
When you see him, hold your nose.
Third-rate actor - fourth-rate bum,
First-rate talker, high-rate scum.
Let the jobs go to Japan,
Pakistan, Mexico and Siam.
'The Cowboy' doesn't care, he's got his.
We've got no leader, just show-biz.
Electrocute the Enviroment with James Watt -
Send troops to Lebanon, thanxx a whole lot!
Couple hundred got killed - what, him worry?
Send some more over--what's big the hurry.....
When Reagan talks
Nobody listens.
When the 'Faker' squawks
Eyes start to glisten.
Billy (The Truth) Kidd
4/3/85
::: Jesus is LORD :::
AcWdnZ6be4x6qJjW...@giganews.com
> On Thu, 11/19/09, at 5:16:40AM,
> Donna Kupp <dk...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin" 1John 3:9
>
> ...present tense, meaning they don't keep on practicing the same
> sin, not that they do not ever sin again, at any time:
>
> 1 John 1:8 NIV
> (8) If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the
> truth is not in us.
>
> By claiming she doesn't sin any more, Donna Kupp exposes herself
> as a deceiver who does not have the truth in her. And it won't
> work to claim this is referring to a one-time salvation
> experience, because verse 9 also uses the present tense when it
> says if we "confess" (keep on confessing) our sin, God is
> faithful and just to cleanse and forgive us of it.
Amen!
::: Jesus is LORD :::
9qtag59uv0iqpvt2d...@4ax.com
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:16:40 -0800 (PST), Donna Kupp
> <dk...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Sin and repent; sin and repent; sin and repent ...
>>
>> The first word of the gospel that Jesus and the apostles preached
>> was "Repent.". Unfortunately, most of modern Christianity has
>> departed from the truth of Jesus and the apostles when they say that
>> we can sin and repent; sin and repent; sin and repent --because God
>> will always forgive our sins; past, present and future.
>
> Who said that?
Donna and her hubby say that Christians say so.
Donna Kupp
Donna quoted the apostle John:
> : "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin" 1John 3:9
Gabriel asks:
> So in other words, are you claiming a Christian will never sin
> again for the rest of his or her life?
> For example they will never again disobey the commandment to love
> others as themselves?
> Never disobey God's commandment to love God with all their heart,
> mind, strength?
> Never again break a single one of even the Ten Commandments for
> the rest of their life, including lusting after another person in
> the heart, and being angry at someone else without cause?
> Including not disobeying every other commandment of God on how we
> should act as believers?
Donna writes:
I refer you to Deception #3 of Counterfeit Christianity at the
following website:
Donna Kupp
> On Thu, 11/19/09, at 5:16:40AM,
Dear Reader,
The apostle John wrote:
"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin ..." 1 John 3:9
In the same letter, he also wrote:
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us." 1 John 1:8.
I refer you to this study on 1 John 1:8
//www.keepandshare.com/doc/view.php?u=1151280
Donna Kupp
Randy ®
Donna Kupp <dk...@charter.net> wrote:
> On Nov 19, 4:11 am, Randy �<pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Thu, 11/19/09, at 5:16:40AM,
>
> Dear Reader,
>
> The apostle John wrote:
>
> "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin ..." 1 John 3:9
..PRESENT TENSE, MEANING THEY DON'T KEEP ON HABITUALLY PRACTICING
THE SAME SIN.
> In the same letter, he also wrote:
>
> "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
> not in us." 1 John 1:8.
WHICH PROVES DIANA KUPP IS A DECEIVER IN WHOM THE TRUTH DOES NOT
ABIDE.
> I refer you to this study on 1 John 1:8
NOTICE SHE HAS TO REFER YOU TO SOME "STUDY" OF A VERSE, BECAUSE
IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO TWIST THE PLAIN STATEMENT EVERYONE CAN SEE
FOR HIMSELF, IN JUST A FEW WORDS. SHE HAS TO GET YOU TANGLED UP
IN A WEB OF CONFUSION AND VERBIAGE BEFORE SHE CAN HAVE ANY HOPE
OF CONFUSING YOU INTO THINKING THE TEXT SUPPOSEDLY ACTUALLY MEANS
JUST THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT IT SAYS, WHICH IS WHAT SHE TEACHES.
NO MAN WILL STAND BEFORE GOD AND BOAST THAT HE HELPED ACHIEVE HIS
SALVATION (EPHESIANS 2:8-9). GOD DEVISED A PLAN OF SALVATION BY
GRACE, THROUGH FAITH IN CHRIST'S DEATH AND RESURRECTION, FOR THE
EXPRESS PURPOSE OF GIVING HIMSELF ALL THE GLORY, AND SO THAT MAN
WILL NOT BOAST BEFORE HIM.
Rod
> On Nov 19, 4:11 am, Randy � <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 11/19/09, at 5:16:40AM,
>
>
> Dear Reader,
>
> The apostle John wrote:
>
> "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin ..." 1 John 3:9
>
> In the same letter, he also wrote:
>
> "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
> not in us." 1 John 1:8.
>
> I refer you to this study on 1 John 1:8
>
Makes it seem kind of a waste of time to even try. What a sad
religion.
duke
>On Nov 19, 8:50�am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:16:40 -0800 (PST), Donna Kupp <dk...@charter.net> wrote:
>> >Sin and repent; sin and repent; sin and repent ...
>>
>> >The first word of the gospel that Jesus and the apostles preached
>> >was "Repent.". Unfortunately, most of modern Christianity has
>> >departed from the truth of Jesus and the apostles when they say that
>> >we can sin and repent; sin and repent; sin and repent --because God
>> >will always forgive our sins; past, present and future.
>
>Duke asked:
>
>> Who said that? �
>
>Donna writes:
>
>Unfortunately, most of modern Christianity. I hope you and other
>readers will be alert and observe how many times so-called Christians
>will even say: "God forgive me for what I am about to do."
Gosh, never heard that one before. Repent and confess and promise to avoid the
future sin is the mandate from God.
duke
Like I said, never heard that one before.
I
> DECEIVER
Randy Young continues in his crazy crusade calling another Christian woman
"heretic". He usuall adds "whore".
Donna Kupp
Donna Kupp wrote:
> > Dear Reader,
>
> > The apostle John wrote:
>
> > "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin ..." 1 John 3:9
Randy adds:
> ..PRESENT TENSE, MEANING THEY DON'T KEEP ON HABITUALLY PRACTICING
> THE SAME SIN.
Donna Comments:
In every generation, some so-called Christians love their sins more
than they love God.
"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his
commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5:3
This is what John Wesley said to the men of his day who added the word
"HABITUALLY" to 1 John 3:9:
"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth
in him: And he cannot sin, because he is born of God." (1 John 3:9)
But some men will say, "True: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit
sin habitually." Habitually! Whence is that? I read it not. It is not
written in the Book. God plainly saith, "He doth not commit sin;" AND
THOU ADDEST, HABITUALLY! Who art thou that mendest the oracles of God?
-- that "addest to the words of this book?" Beware, I beseech thee,
lest God "add to thee all the plagues that are written therein!"
Especially when the comment thou addest is such as quite swallows up
the text: So that by this meqodeia planhs, artful method of deceiving,
the precious promise is utterly lost; by this kubeia anqrvpvn,
tricking and shuffling of men, the word of God is made of none effect.
O beware, thou that thus takest from the words of this book, that,
taking away the whole meaning and spirit from them, leavest only what
may indeed be termed a dead letter, lest God take away thy part out of
the book of life!"
The Sermons of John Wesley, Sermon 18. Text from the 1872 Edition.
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> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:56:39 +0100, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
> <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>> duke duckg...@cox.net wrote in
>> 9qtag59uv0iqpvt2d...@4ax.com
>>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:16:40 -0800 (PST), Donna Kupp
>>> <dk...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sin and repent; sin and repent; sin and repent ...
>>>>
>>>> The first word of the gospel that Jesus and the apostles preached
>>>> was "Repent.". Unfortunately, most of modern Christianity has
>>>> departed from the truth of Jesus and the apostles when they say
>>>> that we can sin and repent; sin and repent; sin and repent
>>>> --because God will always forgive our sins; past, present and
>>>> future.
>>>
>>> Who said that?
>>
>> Donna and her hubby say that Christians say so.
>
> Like I said, never heard that one before.
Me not either, at least not offline. I met several wannabe Christians
online who behaved like this, though.
Randy ®
Donna Kupp <dk...@charter.net> wrote:
>>> "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin ..." 1 John 3:9
> Randy adds:
>
>> > ..PRESENT TENSE, MEANING THEY DON'T KEEP ON HABITUALLY PRACTICING
>> > THE SAME SIN.
> Donna Comments:
>
> In every generation, some so-called Christians love their sins more
> than they love God.
>
It does not follow that if a person agrees with God that they
have sin, that person therefore loves his sin more than God.
1 John 1:8 NASB
(8) If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves
and the truth is not in us.
Donna claims to be without sin. The Bible says such a person is
deceiving, and that the truth is not in them.
duke
<jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>duke duckg...@cox.net wrote in
>pcsdg5ptqidvu248t...@4ax.com
>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:56:39 +0100, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
>> <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>> duke duckg...@cox.net wrote in
>>> 9qtag59uv0iqpvt2d...@4ax.com
>>>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:16:40 -0800 (PST), Donna Kupp
>>>> <dk...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sin and repent; sin and repent; sin and repent ...
>>>>>
>>>>> The first word of the gospel that Jesus and the apostles preached
>>>>> was "Repent.". Unfortunately, most of modern Christianity has
>>>>> departed from the truth of Jesus and the apostles when they say
>>>>> that we can sin and repent; sin and repent; sin and repent
>>>>> --because God will always forgive our sins; past, present and
>>>>> future.
>>>>
>>>> Who said that?
>>>
>>> Donna and her hubby say that Christians say so.
>>
>> Like I said, never heard that one before.
>
>Me not either, at least not offline. I met several wannabe Christians
>online who behaved like this, though.
Well, repent of man's ways is to change our ways - end of story.
Matthew 16:23 (New International Version)
23Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling
block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."
All mankind, except Jesus, have sinned and are sinners. Heb 4:15. It is only
by our love of God and our desire to follow him to his loving arms for all
eternity that we change, and change we must, our ways to those of God's way.
Refusing that, the only thing left for us are the fires of hell. Heb 10:26-27.
You can call yourself a Christian all you want, but if you don't follow Jesus,
your self declaration is of no value.
Michael Christ
>"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin ..." 1 John 3:9
Randy wrote:
> 1 John 1:8 NASB
> (8) If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the
> truth is not in us.
That verse is past tense to those who have admitted to their sin. In
particular to being nothing but sin, that in all they do is no good thing.
Bad place to be in, but there is light in the morning.
Present tense to the unrepentant.
Past tense to the repentant.
As is all of 1 John 1. And that sums it up.
"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin ..." 1 John 3:9
Period.
Its absurd the 'habitual' man-made compromise rubbish and 'not committing
the same sin again' insane theology.
How many sins have your recommitted Randy? Plenty. Therefore according to
your own theology you condemn yourself.
And you call me an idiot!
Michael Christ
Randy ®
Michael Christ <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote:
> Randy wrote:
>> 1 John 1:8 NASB
>> (8) If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the
>> truth is not in us.
>
> That verse is past tense to those who have admitted to their sin.
No, it is not past tense. "Have no sin" is "present, active,
indicative".
Further, John says, "we", including himself and the believers to
whom he is writing. He's not writing to unsaved people, telling
them how to become saved, but to saved people, telling them how
to maintain fellowship with God and walk in the light when they
do sin.
Further, "if we confess our sins" is also in the present tense,
denoting ongoing action:
1 John 1:9 NIV
(9) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will
forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
That's not talking about a once-for-all confession of sin, but an
ongoing confession. We don't keep on confessing in order to
become saved or stay saved, but in order to walk in the light and
fellowship with a Holy God.
Not only was John _NOT_ teaching that believers will be sinlessly
perfect after salvation, but he was refuting the Gnostic heresy
that they would.
And what does he say about such people? If we say we have no sin
[a reference to the presently and ongoing presence of our sin
nature] we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
You claim you have no "sin" nature? You are deceiving yourself
and the truth is not in you.
You claim you do not still commit acts of sin? You make God out
to be a liar!
The entire Bible, cover to cover, shows that even men who are
saved, and after God's own heart (see David), still occasionally
fall into sin! Paul admitted in Philippians 3 that he had not
yet been made perfect. Peter fell into sin and Paul confronted
him, after God had already saved and sent Peter out to proclaim
the gospel (Gal. 2).
No one is going to walk in the light and agree with God they have
a sin nature and commit sins, if they insists he is already
sinlessly perfect and does not sin anymore!
Michael's claims directly contradict everything the Bible teaches
on this subject. Thus, it seems evident Michael
1) is self-deceived
2) does not have the truth in him
3) Makes God out to be a liar
Michael Christ
Michael Christ