If there is no God, why then do Atheists get so enraged when someone post's the gospel ?
old man joe
we can never suppose for even a moment that out of the goodness of their hardened heart's
the Atheist's want to do the elect a favor and enlighten us to what ' facts' they offer to
prove to us there is no God. instead, the get enraged. such certainly bring's the
working's of Jn. 15:19 to bear on the believer.
why do they get so enraged if they as so sure there is no God ?
their emotionally driven outburst's of anger display that indeed, God has made Himself
evident to them, just as He says in Ro. 1:18,19. but they also know, contrary to the
signals they send out, that they are abandoned by the Living God just as we read in Eph.
2:12 and Ro. 1:24... " wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of
their own hearts... "
they need to vent their frustration over this so they somehow think that converting the
elect to Atheism by their shouting's is the real answer to their life's questions... as if
any among the elect want also to be abandoned by God... an impossibility since salvation
is " freely bestowed " on His chosen ones, ( Eph. 1: 3-13 v.6 ) and is irrevocable.
Ro. 11:29
amazingly, one Atheist posts his assumption that God is no more than a
" mental construct " in the minds of His called ones. then he goes about posting his
exegesis on certain verses as though darkness has fellowship with light. he did not
choose to expound the Holy Scriptures concerning how it came to be that the Living God
elected to salvation four particular men while they were yet fetuses.
the ' faith ' in the Living God in Christ this Atheist claims only stupid people have,
since it's nothing more than a " mental construct, " also then applies to these 4
fetuses... how it can be that these four fetuses mentally constructed a God in their
pre-mature minds the Atheists don't care to expound.
this also raises the question of why is it that Atheist's try so desperately to prove from
the Word of God that there is no God. that's tantamount to standing in front of a mirror
and arguing that the reflection isn't me.
and what is a professing Atheist doing with a Bible anyway ? a Bible in the house should
be the last thing a professing Atheist would ever want near him.
so you see, Atheists are more that Satan's con men.
bob young
old man joe wrote:
> we can never suppose for even a moment that out of the goodness of their hardened heart's
> the Atheist's want to do the elect a favor and enlighten us to what ' facts' they offer to
> prove to us there is no God. instead, the get enraged. such certainly bring's the
> working's of Jn. 15:19 to bear on the believer.
>
> why do they get so enraged if they as so sure there is no God ?
We don't, although we do get a little sad
when we see the human brain behaving so enormously banal
The universe revolves around the earth.
Stars are pinpricks in the heavens.
The world is flat (and on pillars)
Bats are a kind of bird.
Rabbits chew their cud.
There is enough water to flood the entire planet
Women were created from a man's rib
Rainbows are a promise from God
[Acknowledgments to 'James, Seattle']
We also get a little angry knowing that all over the world young innocent children are being
inculcated with rubbish such as the above and much more.
In a sane society such goings on would be criminalised.
curtjester1
It's like they think or try to make one think they HAVE morals and a
good agenda!! There really isn't any reason, rationally, why they
spend the time doing what they do,....trying to prove a negative..to
elevating their thoughts like they are worthy to their condescending
speils that are so arrogant, and of course lacking in any scientific
assuredness that they have something to stand by. It would be
hilarious to just look at an muse over...if it wasn't so sad. Maybe
they'll figure out how to balance the budget and show us the way
someday...:).
CJ
bob young
curtjester1 wrote:
Morals, sin, love - all these are human attributes that are clutched onto by religionists and
used in a vain effort to make their myths appear to be real.
Just for the record - you have no monopoly on these human attributes and atheists have no need
to use them when denying the existence of gods.
All we need to do is ask you to prove your particular one, which you cannot do,. Therefore
teaching young innocent children to follow such banal concepts borders on the criminal. THAT
is why some atheists, such as myself, are here.
Without the brainwashing of innocents mentioned above is it doubtful there would be any suicide
bombers around who are prepared to kill in the name of their god. The fact that there, are
speaks volumes.
> There really isn't any reason, rationally, why they
> spend the time doing what they do,....
See above re suicide bombers. Want another reason ? The next word war will be nuclear and no
doubt between Islamic and Christian countries. A third of the world population could well be
wiped out by the protagonists, all in the names of their imaginary gods. I prefer that those
on both sides live, rather than dying for lost causes.
> trying to prove a negative..to
> elevating their thoughts like they are worthy to their condescending
> speils that are so arrogant,
Arrogance belongs to believers, as they ilustrate on a daily basis.
Example - teling others that if they follow one god they will go to a heaven and live forever,
totally without any proof of any kind. THAT, my friend is arrogance coupled with lying.
> and of course lacking in any scientific
> assuredness that they have something to stand by.
I would not bring science into this conversation if i were you. In the days of the said Jesus
a man with a faulty heart died in pain. Today we can transplant a heart. Thanks to human
ingenuity, intelligence and science
> It would be
> hilarious to just look at an muse over...if it wasn't so sad. Maybe
> they'll figure out how to balance the budget and show us the way
> someday...:).
[The above - not worth addressing]
Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
Man creates his gods in his own image,
then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content
R E L I G I O N - it is all in the mind,
an escape from life's realities and hardships,
sixty percent ritual, forty percent fantasy
>
curtjester1
idiot type of thinking would go behind that?
> Without the brainwashing of innocents mentioned above is it doubtful there would be any suicide
> bombers around who are prepared to kill in the name of their god. The fact that there, are
> speaks volumes.
>
How unthoughtout. Who cares about that small number when govt's send
their people off to war all the time for the spoils of insider
corporate deals, stock leveragings via insider trading, monopolized
reconstruction projects, while getting approval through Ponzi schemed
creating of 'counterfeit' fiat money that bankrupt's countries? Of
course all the Satanic ritual behind people like that have been
discovered through infiltrations of the last umpteen years.
> > There really isn't any reason, rationally, why they
> > spend the time doing what they do,....
>
> See above re suicide bombers. Want another reason ? The next word war will be nuclear and no
> doubt between Islamic and Christian countries. A third of the world population could well be
> wiped out by the protagonists, all in the names of their imaginary gods. I prefer that those
> on both sides live, rather than dying for lost causes.
>
Right. Only propagandists like to use religion as an excuse invade
lands like our country does to make it sound like a Christian piece of
good character if they do. The churches only go along with that. The
elitist, money-backed propagandists are the ones that get these
usually false flag things going at the expense of anyone's daughter or
sons, except usually their own.
> > trying to prove a negative..to
> > elevating their thoughts like they are worthy to their condescending
> > speils that are so arrogant,
>
> Arrogance belongs to believers, as they ilustrate on a daily basis.
>
It really isn't arrogant to love ones neighbor and to love one's enemy
also, as Jesus explained.
> Example - teling others that if they follow one god they will go to a heaven and live forever,
> totally without any proof of any kind. THAT, my friend is arrogance coupled with lying.
>
How could it be 'lying' when you haven't died to tell us what really
happens? That's a 'deception' on your part.
> > and of course lacking in any scientific
> > assuredness that they have something to stand by.
>
> I would not bring science into this conversation if i were you. In the days of the said Jesus
> a man with a faulty heart died in pain. Today we can transplant a heart. Thanks to human
> ingenuity, intelligence and science
>
Wow, and we can fly an airplane and have air-conditioning by merely
watching what has been 'given' to us in nature.
> > It would be
> > hilarious to just look at an muse over...if it wasn't so sad. Maybe
> > they'll figure out how to balance the budget and show us the way
> > someday...:).
>
> [The above - not worth addressing]
>
Why? Because the Senate Budget Committee's appraisal on Nov 10th,
2009 that showed that the real budget is in accrued accounting terms
over 60 trillion dollars which is about $175K for each bank account,
and between $5-6K for every household in just DEBT? There isn't
enough money printed to pay off the debt. You trust a Ponzi scheme
for your 'guidance'?
CJ
> Bob
> Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
>
> Man creates his gods in his own image,
> then spends the rest of his life
> manipulating them to his heart's content
>
> R E L I G I O N - it is all in the mind,
> an escape from life's realities and hardships,
> sixty percent ritual, forty percent fantasy
>
>
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bob young
curtjester1 wrote:
True - those are normal concepts of humanism, used by Jesus
and by most other preachers to try to attract members into their own particular clubs.
>
> > Example - teling others that if they follow one god they will go to a heaven and live forever,
> > totally without any proof of any kind. THAT, my friend is arrogance coupled with lying.
> >
> How could it be 'lying' when you haven't died to tell us what really
> happens? That's a 'deception' on your part.
No - simply lunacy on your part.
Any preacher could make up a story slightly different to the one made by me above
and then you could use the same silly argument to rebuff it.
IF a religion makes a claim that effects millions and without proof, then they commit the offense of
gross deception - period.
>
> > > and of course lacking in any scientific
> > > assuredness that they have something to stand by.
> >
> > I would not bring science into this conversation if i were you. In the days of the said Jesus
> > a man with a faulty heart died in pain. Today we can transplant a heart. Thanks to human
> > ingenuity, intelligence and science
> >
> Wow, and we can fly an airplane and have air-conditioning by merely
> watching what has been 'given' to us in nature.
Your inability to address my point duly noted.
But never mind, we atheists are used to it.
curtjester1
an 'enemy', and to go against it via their special interest group
affiliation...and mostly that's secular hijinx.
>
> > > Example - teling others that if they follow one god they will go to a heaven and live forever,
> > > totally without any proof of any kind. THAT, my friend is arrogance coupled with lying.
>
> > How could it be 'lying' when you haven't died to tell us what really
> > happens? That's a 'deception' on your part.
>
> No - simply lunacy on your part.
>
Oh really, when you are spouting you think you know where people go
when they die?
> Any preacher could make up a story slightly different to the one made by me above
> and then you could use the same silly argument to rebuff it.
>
Politicians make up stuff all the time. Hardly seems there's any
force behind anything you say. Most special interest groups are
shallow in their thinking especially when the whole human race is
relegated to the back burner while their interests are 'relevant' and
have an apparent self-advantage surrounding them.
> IF a religion makes a claim that effects millions and without proof, then they commit the offense of
> gross deception - period.
>
>
Who cares when the winner of such an argument is only a winner after
death? Why not go after the counterfeiters that have created money
through a machine and devalued it so much to their receipients, and
hoarded the world's assets to the tune of 95% belongs to less than 1%
and try to make it fair by systematic propaganda?
>
> > > > and of course lacking in any scientific
> > > > assuredness that they have something to stand by.
>
> > > I would not bring science into this conversation if i were you. In the days of the said Jesus
> > > a man with a faulty heart died in pain. Today we can transplant a heart. Thanks to human
> > > ingenuity, intelligence and science
>
> > Wow, and we can fly an airplane and have air-conditioning by merely
> > watching what has been 'given' to us in nature.
>
> Your inability to address my point duly noted.
> But never mind, we atheists are used to it.
>
>
Transplating a heart is hardly great when it's just replacing a part.
Knowing how a heart is made from the beginning and who can control all
the systems that run through it and by it, and who has a say in every
heart that exists on the earth seems much more compelling.
CJ
bob young
curtjester1 wrote:
People degenerate when they die like animals - they don't 'GO' anywhere.
If a man and his dog both fall on a mountain track an die together they both rot in the same way and make
the same smell until only their bones are left.
That religious people cannot stomach this is well known, as indeed superstitions are well known, both
past and present
>
>
> > Any preacher could make up a story slightly different to the one made by me above
> > and then you could use the same silly argument to rebuff it.
> >
> Politicians make up stuff all the time.
Indeed and they are not far removed from the religious, they join forces when the need arises, one human
club helping another human club - pure and simple
> Hardly seems there's any
> force behind anything you say.
Coming from someone propagating a god he cannot prove that is very funny
> Most special interest groups are
> shallow in their thinking especially when the whole human race is
> relegated to the back burner while their interests are 'relevant' and
> have an apparent self-advantage surrounding them.
>
> > IF a religion makes a claim that effects millions and without proof, then they commit the offense of
> > gross deception - period.
> >
> >
> Who cares when the winner of such an argument is only a winner after
> death? Why not go after the counterfeiters that have created money
> through a machine and devalued it so much to their receipients, and
> hoarded the world's assets to the tune of 95% belongs to less than 1%
> and try to make it fair by systematic propaganda?
What has this to do with the current subject ?
>
>
> >
> > > > > and of course lacking in any scientific
> > > > > assuredness that they have something to stand by.
> >
> > > > I would not bring science into this conversation if i were you. In the days of the said Jesus
> > > > a man with a faulty heart died in pain. Today we can transplant a heart. Thanks to human
> > > > ingenuity, intelligence and science
> >
> > > Wow, and we can fly an airplane and have air-conditioning by merely
> > > watching what has been 'given' to us in nature.
> >
> > Your inability to address my point duly noted.
> > But never mind, we atheists are used to it.
> >
> >
> Transplating a heart is hardly great when it's just replacing a part.
> Knowing how a heart is made from the beginning and who can control all
> the systems that run through it and by it, and who has a say in every
> heart that exists on the earth seems much more compelling.
What wonderful digressing and dodging, I must add it to my list of Religious dodges' it get longer and
longer !
Your nym is highly appropriate
Bob
curtjester1
> > > > > Example - teling others that if they follow one god they will go to a heaven and live forever,
> > > > > totally without any proof of any kind. THAT, my friend is arrogance coupled with lying.
>
> > > > How could it be 'lying' when you haven't died to tell us what really
> > > > happens? That's a 'deception' on your part.
>
> > > No - simply lunacy on your part.
>
> > Oh really, when you are spouting you think you know where people go
> > when they die?
>
> People degenerate when they die like animals - they don't 'GO' anywhere.
>
Lots of things degenerate besides living things. Lots of people have
witnessed resurrections and told about it. Why believe where you are
trying to say they are 'Going'?
> If a man and his dog both fall on a mountain track an die together they both rot in the same way and make
> the same smell until only their bones are left.
>
How do you know they make the same smell? Have you given a smell
test?, or conducted or researched surveys?
> That religious people cannot stomach this is well known, as indeed superstitions are well known, both
> past and present
>
>
Oh, religious people have scriptures and dogmas about it being
reserved for man to die, and they also know that some may never live
after they die. So it's not a matter of stomaching, is it? It's a
matter of belief and finding a purpose in life that has been verfied
by their research and experiences. Superstitions happen to the
religious as well as non-religious, don't you think?
>
> > > Any preacher could make up a story slightly different to the one made by me above
> > > and then you could use the same silly argument to rebuff it.
>
> > Politicians make up stuff all the time.
>
> Indeed and they are not far removed from the religious, they join forces when the need arises, one human
> club helping another human club - pure and simple
>
And many are in the other realm as well. They will even lie about
being religious to get votes. They have been known to be
infiltrated and spoke of doing quite satanic ritualistic things that
are quite pagan and barbaric. Blue suits aren't a carte blanche for
being sophisticated and ensuring good behaviors.
> > Hardly seems there's any
> > force behind anything you say.
>
> Coming from someone propagating a god he cannot prove that is very funny
>
Funny, you seem to be making stuff up all the time that would make
propagating a god a worthy endeavor. I would find it the most lowest
of all entertainment levels even if true.
> > Most special interest groups are
> > shallow in their thinking especially when the whole human race is
> > relegated to the back burner while their interests are 'relevant' and
> > have an apparent self-advantage surrounding them.
>
> > > IF a religion makes a claim that effects millions and without proof, then they commit the offense of
> > > gross deception - period.
>
> > Who cares when the winner of such an argument is only a winner after
> > death? Why not go after the counterfeiters that have created money
> > through a machine and devalued it so much to their receipients, and
> > hoarded the world's assets to the tune of 95% belongs to less than 1%
> > and try to make it fair by systematic propaganda?
>
> What has this to do with the current subject ?
>
>
Something about athiests going after gospelites isn't it? So, this
would apply as they should go after people that are on a non-religious
plane because it is much more relevant for the everyday and now
problems that would cover society. Yet people like athesists are
either so dumb or so special-interest orientated without any backup,
that they would go after religious dogmas versus what they probably
should be thinking as more weighty things. Did you know that the
average family is in debt to the national debt to the tune of
$500-600K? Tell us how we can pay the debt off and be a functioning
society that looks like it has a brain cell leading it?
>
> > > > > > and of course lacking in any scientific
> > > > > > assuredness that they have something to stand by.
>
> > > > > I would not bring science into this conversation if i were you. In the days of the said Jesus
> > > > > a man with a faulty heart died in pain. Today we can transplant a heart. Thanks to human
> > > > > ingenuity, intelligence and science
>
> > > > Wow, and we can fly an airplane and have air-conditioning by merely
> > > > watching what has been 'given' to us in nature.
>
> > > Your inability to address my point duly noted.
> > > But never mind, we atheists are used to it.
>
> > Transplating a heart is hardly great when it's just replacing a part.
> > Knowing how a heart is made from the beginning and who can control all
> > the systems that run through it and by it, and who has a say in every
> > heart that exists on the earth seems much more compelling.
>
> What wonderful digressing and dodging, I must add it to my list of Religious dodges' it get longer and
> longer !
>
> Your nym is highly appropriate
>
And your point about a heart transplant is? Is it doing anything
wonderful like saving lives in the quality and quantity, that could be
saved, if they just refused to pick up barbaric weapons and destroy
each other? Oh, that is under the guidelines of 'Christianity'. Too
many lives saved equals a bad idea to an atheist...I guess because
they didn't think of it first.
CJ
> Bob
>
> R E L I G I O N - it is all in the mind,
> an escape from life's realities and hardships,
> sixty percent ritual, forty percent fantasy
>
Bob's Atheism is a religion that tries to prove another religion wrong
when it can't do so under the guidlines of debate, that being trying
to prove a negative. What a religion!!
CJ
bob young
curtjester1 wrote:
arrant bull crap
> Why believe where you are
> trying to say they are 'Going'?
>
> > If a man and his dog both fall on a mountain track an die together they both rot in the same way and make
> > the same smell until only their bones are left.
> >
> How do you know they make the same smell? Have you given a smell
> test?, or conducted or researched surveys?
>
> > That religious people cannot stomach this is well known, as indeed superstitions are well known, both
> > past and present
> >
> >
> Oh, religious people have scriptures and dogmas about it being
> reserved for man to die, and they also know that some may never live
> after they die.
sure they do. all religions have them and these books, tablets and scrolls
are all the work of men. no gods involved. unless you have proof otherwise
> So it's not a matter of stomaching, is it? It's a
> matter of belief and finding a purpose in life that has been verfied
> by their research and experiences.
'Purpose in life' is something manipulated by religious types, just as is 'sin'
They are troubled since they cannot produce their gods so they use good decent elements of humanity and try to
claim them, as an exclusive part of their belief.
Do you consider that there are no good decent people who do not believe in gods ?
> Superstitions happen to the
> religious as well as non-religious, don't you think?
religions are based on superstition ' you think ?
>
>
> >
> > > > Any preacher could make up a story slightly different to the one made by me above
> > > > and then you could use the same silly argument to rebuff it.
> >
> > > Politicians make up stuff all the time.
> >
> > Indeed and they are not far removed from the religious, they join forces when the need arises, one human
> > club helping another human club - pure and simple
> >
> And many are in the other realm as well. They will even lie about
> being religious to get votes. They have been known to be
> infiltrated and spoke of doing quite satanic ritualistic things that
> are quite pagan and barbaric. Blue suits aren't a carte blanche for
> being sophisticated and ensuring good behaviors.
>
> > > Hardly seems there's any
> > > force behind anything you say.
> >
> > Coming from someone propagating a god he cannot prove that is very funny
> >
> Funny, you seem to be making stuff up all the time that would make
> propagating a god a worthy endeavor. I would find it the most lowest
> of all entertainment levels even if true.
nice dodge - now answer my point. I will repeat it for you . . . .
Coming from someone propagating a god he cannot prove that is very funny
>
>
> > > Most special interest groups are
> > > shallow in their thinking especially when the whole human race is
> > > relegated to the back burner while their interests are 'relevant' and
> > > have an apparent self-advantage surrounding them.
> >
> > > > IF a religion makes a claim that effects millions and without proof, then they commit the offense of
> > > > gross deception - period.
> >
> > > Who cares when the winner of such an argument is only a winner after
> > > death? Why not go after the counterfeiters that have created money
> > > through a machine and devalued it so much to their receipients, and
> > > hoarded the world's assets to the tune of 95% belongs to less than 1%
> > > and try to make it fair by systematic propaganda?
> >
> > What has this to do with the current subject ?
> >
> >
> Something about athiests going after gospelites isn't it? So, this
> would apply as they should go after people that are on a non-religious
> plane because it is much more relevant for the everyday and now
> problems that would cover society. Yet people like athesists are
> either so dumb or so special-interest orientated without any backup,
S T O P R I G H T T H E R E.
Before we go any further Y O U back up all your claims about a god
>
> that they would go after religious dogmas versus what they probably
> should be thinking as more weighty things. Did you know that the
> average family is in debt to the national debt to the tune of
> $500-600K?
Which has nothing to do with the subject. Do you go to dance classes ?
> Tell us how we can pay the debt off and be a functioning
> society that looks like it has a brain cell leading it?
>
> >
> > > > > > > and of course lacking in any scientific
> > > > > > > assuredness that they have something to stand by.
> >
> > > > > > I would not bring science into this conversation if i were you. In the days of the said Jesus
> > > > > > a man with a faulty heart died in pain. Today we can transplant a heart. Thanks to human
> > > > > > ingenuity, intelligence and science
> >
> > > > > Wow, and we can fly an airplane and have air-conditioning by merely
> > > > > watching what has been 'given' to us in nature.
> >
> > > > Your inability to address my point duly noted.
> > > > But never mind, we atheists are used to it.
> >
> > > Transplating a heart is hardly great when it's just replacing a part.
> > > Knowing how a heart is made from the beginning and who can control all
> > > the systems that run through it and by it, and who has a say in every
> > > heart that exists on the earth seems much more compelling.
> >
> > What wonderful digressing and dodging, I must add it to my list of Religious dodges' it get longer and
> > longer !
> >
> > Your nym is highly appropriate
> >
> And your point about a heart transplant is?
Very appropriate since an all loving god would have made good and sure that medics back in the days of Jesus
and before would have been able to save lives by carrying out heart transplants. But NO, it had to wait for
science thousands of years later. So my point is this - gods are inactive, irrelevant and powerless - IOW
Imagined by man and propagated by man - right along the lines that you follow
> Is it doing anything
> wonderful like saving lives in the quality and quantity, that could be
> saved, if they just refused to pick up barbaric weapons and destroy
> each other? Oh, that is under the guidelines of 'Christianity'. Too
> many lives saved equals a bad idea to an atheist...
Arrant nonsense and your point about not being barbaric and loving each other lies squarely in the realms of
humanism and not religions. A Muslim has just been put in jail in England for murdering his eighteen year old
daughter because she wanted to marry some man from a different sect. THAT is religion for you and THAT does
not figure in atheism.
Atheism is explained below, Emmett's final line was probably written for folks like you:
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human concern, and intellectual
honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism
is not an old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has been, a religion
at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity
in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
curtjester1
care less if people believe in the Evolution god or the man on the
moon god.
> > Why believe where you are
> > trying to say they are 'Going'?
>
> > > If a man and his dog both fall on a mountain track an die together they both rot in the same way and make
> > > the same smell until only their bones are left.
>
> > How do you know they make the same smell? Have you given a smell
> > test?, or conducted or researched surveys?
>
> > > That religious people cannot stomach this is well known, as indeed superstitions are well known, both
> > > past and present
>
> > Oh, religious people have scriptures and dogmas about it being
> > reserved for man to die, and they also know that some may never live
> > after they die.
>
> sure they do. all religions have them and these books, tablets and scrolls
> are all the work of men. no gods involved. unless you have proof otherwise
>
What else is one to do, dig in the mud?
> > So it's not a matter of stomaching, is it? It's a
> > matter of belief and finding a purpose in life that has been verfied
> > by their research and experiences.
>
> 'Purpose in life' is something manipulated by religious types, just as is 'sin'
>
A least they have a 'contrived' hope. You have none.
> They are troubled since they cannot produce their gods so they use good decent elements of humanity and try to
> claim them, as an exclusive part of their belief.
>
Evolution can't produce first life, so they get their own Religion and
even a place in the school ciriculum's...boo hoo.
> Do you consider that there are no good decent people who do not believe in gods ?
>
I don't believe that there necessarily evil and I would say that
probably form a spectrum of morals which they secretly use religion
for for forming them....but I do think of them as shall we say,
shallow.
> > Superstitions happen to the
> > religious as well as non-religious, don't you think?
>
> religions are based on superstition ' you think ?
>
>
Nooo, just that there is an engineer behind it all says a lot for
some.
>
> > > > > Any preacher could make up a story slightly different to the one made by me above
> > > > > and then you could use the same silly argument to rebuff it.
>
> > > > Politicians make up stuff all the time.
>
> > > Indeed and they are not far removed from the religious, they join forces when the need arises, one human
> > > club helping another human club - pure and simple
>
> > And many are in the other realm as well. They will even lie about
> > being religious to get votes. They have been known to be
> > infiltrated and spoke of doing quite satanic ritualistic things that
> > are quite pagan and barbaric. Blue suits aren't a carte blanche for
> > being sophisticated and ensuring good behaviors.
>
> > > > Hardly seems there's any
> > > > force behind anything you say.
>
> > > Coming from someone propagating a god he cannot prove that is very funny
>
> > Funny, you seem to be making stuff up all the time that would make
> > propagating a god a worthy endeavor. I would find it the most lowest
> > of all entertainment levels even if true.
>
> nice dodge - now answer my point. I will repeat it for you . . . .
>
> Coming from someone propagating a god he cannot prove that is very funny
>
>
You cannot propogate a theory for why we are here, so why should we be
at your amusement? I surely couldn't find amusement in hovering over
people's opinions. Yet atheists seem to make it a 'life's journey'.
Sad don't you think?
>
> > > > Most special interest groups are
> > > > shallow in their thinking especially when the whole human race is
> > > > relegated to the back burner while their interests are 'relevant' and
> > > > have an apparent self-advantage surrounding them.
>
> > > > > IF a religion makes a claim that effects millions and without proof, then they commit the offense of
> > > > > gross deception - period.
>
> > > > Who cares when the winner of such an argument is only a winner after
> > > > death? Why not go after the counterfeiters that have created money
> > > > through a machine and devalued it so much to their receipients, and
> > > > hoarded the world's assets to the tune of 95% belongs to less than 1%
> > > > and try to make it fair by systematic propaganda?
>
> > > What has this to do with the current subject ?
>
> > Something about athiests going after gospelites isn't it? So, this
> > would apply as they should go after people that are on a non-religious
> > plane because it is much more relevant for the everyday and now
> > problems that would cover society. Yet people like athesists are
> > either so dumb or so special-interest orientated without any backup,
>
> S T O P R I G H T T H E R E.
>
> Before we go any further Y O U back up all your claims about a god
>
>
Why, the spoutings of mine don't warrant such. Just answer your
hypocrisy instead.
>
> > that they would go after religious dogmas versus what they probably
> > should be thinking as more weighty things. Did you know that the
> > average family is in debt to the national debt to the tune of
> > $500-600K?
>
> Which has nothing to do with the subject. Do you go to dance classes ?
>
Because you seem to think that society would be better off without God
in it. I would tend to say it is better off because of it. Most of
our structure in society goes back to the laws of the Ten Commandments
and the subsequent laws. I think you need to justify people as non-
believers being able to rule and live just and worthy lives. I think
you have failed.
> > Tell us how we can pay the debt off and be a functioning
> > society that looks like it has a brain cell leading it?
>
> > > > > > > > and of course lacking in any scientific
> > > > > > > > assuredness that they have something to stand by.
>
> > > > > > > I would not bring science into this conversation if i were you. In the days of the said Jesus
> > > > > > > a man with a faulty heart died in pain. Today we can transplant a heart. Thanks to human
> > > > > > > ingenuity, intelligence and science
>
> > > > > > Wow, and we can fly an airplane and have air-conditioning by merely
> > > > > > watching what has been 'given' to us in nature.
>
> > > > > Your inability to address my point duly noted.
> > > > > But never mind, we atheists are used to it.
>
> > > > Transplating a heart is hardly great when it's just replacing a part.
> > > > Knowing how a heart is made from the beginning and who can control all
> > > > the systems that run through it and by it, and who has a say in every
> > > > heart that exists on the earth seems much more compelling.
>
> > > What wonderful digressing and dodging, I must add it to my list of Religious dodges' it get longer and
> > > longer !
>
> > > Your nym is highly appropriate
>
> > And your point about a heart transplant is?
>
> Very appropriate since an all loving god would have made good and sure that medics back in the days of Jesus
> and before would have been able to save lives by carrying out heart transplants. But NO, it had to wait for
> science thousands of years later. So my point is this - gods are inactive, irrelevant and powerless - IOW
> Imagined by man and propagated by man - right along the lines that you follow
>
We believe in a God that can adjust the number one chromome and keep
it of death mode. Being a heart mechanic is hardly a huge
achievement. We all clog up, disintegrate, or leak. That's still
going on and people are dying quite at good rate still.
> > Is it doing anything
> > wonderful like saving lives in the quality and quantity, that could be
> > saved, if they just refused to pick up barbaric weapons and destroy
> > each other? Oh, that is under the guidelines of 'Christianity'. Too
> > many lives saved equals a bad idea to an atheist...
>
> Arrant nonsense and your point about not being barbaric and loving each other lies squarely in the realms of
> humanism and not religions. A Muslim has just been put in jail in England for murdering his eighteen year old
> daughter because she wanted to marry some man from a different sect. THAT is religion for you and THAT does
> not figure in atheism.
>
Some poor atheist can't live because of sheer nonesense of belief, one
that that can never be proven, as one cannot disprove a negative. You
have a life that can't go on living, and no real purpose for life.
That's a death wish and warrant if I've ever seen one.
> Atheism is explained below, Emmett's final line was probably written for folks like you:
>
> "Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human concern, and intellectual
> honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism
> is not an old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has been, a religion
> at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity
> in a world of madness."
> [Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields
Emmett needs a timeout and the cupboards must be locked.
CJ
]> I guess because
bob young
On 12/15/09 1:18 AM, in article
8ec7cdd0-d1e1-4294...@o9g2000vbj.googlegroups.com,
"curtjester1" <curtj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Atheists do not preach about morals - they simply question the issue of
inculcating the minds of young innocent children with outdated superstitious
nonsense from thousands of years ago.
Using morals is a daily occurrence in the lives of preachers and
congregations who expect to be congratulated on being better than others
There really isn't any reason, rationally, why they
> spend the time doing what they do,....trying to prove a negative..
Again the area of religions. The gods are negative since they cannot be
proven so all claims by religionists about their own particular gods is
indeed trying to prove a negative
to
> elevating their thoughts like they are worthy to their condescending
> speils that are so arrogant, and of course lacking in any scientific
> assuredness that they have something to stand by. It would be
> hilarious to just look at an muse over...if it wasn't so sad. Maybe
> they'll figure out how to balance the budget and show us the way
> someday...:).
This is what is really sad and what drives atheism to question the present
day human psyche
Teaching this to children
The universe revolves around the earth.
Stars are pinpricks in the heavens.
The world is flat (and on pillars)
Bats are a kind of bird.
Rabbits chew their cud.
There is enough water to flood the entire planet
Women were created from a man's rib
Rainbows are a promise from God
[Acknowledgements to �James, Seattle�]
>
> CJ
bob young
On 12/21/09 3:54 AM, in article
32efadac-7ea4-4aa0...@h2g2000vbd.googlegroups.com,
"curtjester1" <curtj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
There are no such things. Evolution is a scientific subject that, when
compared to my grandfather's day, has made huge strides. Your religion
since my grandfathers days has been adjusted, the goal posts moved, changed
and modified time and time again to keep in step with scientific discovery.
>
>>> Why believe where you are
>>> trying to say they are 'Going'?
>>
>>>> If a man and his dog both fall on a mountain track an die together they
>>>> both rot in the same way and make
>>>> the same smell until only their bones are left.
>>
>>> How do you know they make the same smell? �Have you given a smell
>>> test?, or conducted or researched surveys?
>>
>>>> That religious people cannot stomach this is well known, as indeed
>>>> superstitions are well known, both
>>>> past and present
>>
>>> Oh, religious people have scriptures and dogmas about it being
>>> reserved for man to die, and they also know that some may never live
>>> after they die.
>>
>> sure they do. �all religions have them and these books, tablets and scrolls
>> are all the work of men. �no gods involved. �unless you have proof otherwise
>>
> What else is one to do, dig in the mud?
Look at them, turn on a modicum of common sense and then, like all other
people who live in a logical world accept that these remnants of early man
were simply superstition borne of ignorance. Easy isn't it ?
>
>>> So it's not a matter of stomaching, is it? �It's a
>>> matter of belief and finding a purpose in life that has been verfied
>>> by their research and experiences.
>>
>> 'Purpose in life' is something manipulated by religious types, just as is
>> 'sin'
>>
> A least they have a 'contrived' hope. You have none.
>
>> They are troubled since they cannot produce their gods so they use good
>> decent elements of humanity and try to
>> claim them, as an exclusive part of their belief.
>>
> Evolution can't produce first life, so they get their own Religion and
> even a place in the school ciriculum's...boo hoo.
Yes - modern day man is making some progress by throwing creation off the
school curriculum
>
>> Do you consider that there are no good decent people who do not believe in
>> gods ?
>>
> I don't believe that there necessarily evil and I would say that
> probably form a spectrum of morals which they secretly use religion
> for for forming them....but I do think of them as shall we say,
> shall we
Of course you do - otherwise the 'Better than thou' syndrome that you people
in your arrogance appear to thrive on, would be no more
I am only here to question man's penchant for grovelling after primitive
superstitions and pushing same down the throats of innocent children
I surely couldn't find amusement in hovering over
> people's opinions. Yet atheists seem to make it a 'life's journey'.
> Sad don't you think?
Nothing is sadder than contemporary humans swallowing nonsense created by
early desert dwellers.
>
>>
>>>>> �Most special interest groups are
>>>>> shallow in their thinking especially when the whole human race is
>>>>> relegated to the back burner while their interests are 'relevant' and
>>>>> have an apparent self-advantage surrounding them.
>>
>>>>>> IF a religion makes a claim that effects millions and without proof, then
>>>>>> they commit the offense of
>>>>>> gross deception - period.
>>
>>>>> Who cares when the winner of such an argument is only a winner after
>>>>> death? � Why not go after the counterfeiters that have created money
>>>>> through a machine and devalued it so much to their receipients, and
>>>>> hoarded the world's assets to the tune of 95% belongs to less than 1%
>>>>> and try to make it fair by systematic propaganda?
>>
>>>> What has this to do with the current subject ?
>>
>>> Something about athiests going after gospelites isn't it? �So, this
>>> would apply as they should go after people that are on a non-religious
>>> plane because it is much more relevant for the everyday and now
>>> problems that would cover society. �Yet people like athesists are
>>> either so dumb or so special-interest orientated without any backup,
>>
>> S T O P � �R I G H T � T H E R E.
>>
>> Before we go any further Y O U back up all your claims about a god
>>
>>
> Why, the spoutings of mine don't warrant such. Just answer your
> hypocrisy instead.
Ooooooh a nice dodge again. Do you Christians have no shame ?
You lie, distort and dance around in your futile attempts to recognise
something that isn't there. Want to know something ? You will be doing it
no doubt, until the day you die.
>
>>
>>> that they would go after religious dogmas versus what they probably
>>> should be thinking as more weighty things. � Did you know that the
>>> average family is in debt to the national debt to the tune of
>>> $500-600K?
>>
>> Which has nothing to do with the subject. �Do you go to dance classes ?
>>
> Because you seem to think that society would be better off without God
> in it.
ROFL. God is not 'in it' at all. God is imaginary so anything as a guide
to decent living that is real honest and true would be preferable
I would tend to say it is better off because of it. Most of
> our structure in society goes back to the laws of the Ten Commandments
> and the subsequent laws.
Right. And that is all early man had, simple commandments. No police, No
law enforcement, no Law Courts to enforce his desires, so what could he do ?
All that he could do was to make up a god and then claim that it would
punish wrong doers.
They were so simple of course they did not understand that the bad guys
would not be attending their gatherings and listening to their priests, just
like today
I think you need to justify people as non-
> believers being able to rule and live just and worthy lives. I think
> you have failed.
And you think religion has succeeded ?
People in the Middle East are still blowing up innocent bystanders,
including children, because they attend a temple from some belief different
to the bomber's own belief !
During The Inquisition Christians tortured those defamed by others to get
confessions and once that had been achieved they burned them alive in front
of crowds in the city squares. This went on for nearly three hundred years.
Don't talk to 'me' about 'failure'
>
>>> � Tell us how we can pay the debt off and be a functioning
Meaningless twaddle
Being a heart mechanic is hardly a huge
> achievement.
More of the same.
We all clog up, disintegrate, or leak. That's still
> going on and people are dying quite at good rate still.
>
>>> Is it doing anything
>>> wonderful like saving lives in the quality and quantity, that could be
>>> saved, if they just refused to pick up barbaric weapons and destroy
>>> each other? �Oh, that is under the guidelines of 'Christianity'. �Too
>>> many lives saved equals a bad idea to an atheist...
>>
>> Arrant nonsense and your point about not being barbaric and loving each other
>> lies squarely in the realms of
>> humanism and not religions. A Muslim has just been put in jail in England for
>> murdering his eighteen year old
>> daughter because she wanted to marry some man from a different sect. �THAT is
>> religion for you and THAT does
>> not figure in atheism.
>>
> Some poor atheist can't live because of sheer nonesense of belief, one
> that that can never be proven, as one cannot disprove a negative. You
> have a life that can't go on living, and no real purpose for life.
> That's a death wish and warrant if I've ever seen one.
Thanks for illustrating for all to see your inability to address the point
>
>> Atheism is explained below, Emmett's final line was probably written for
>> folks like you:
>>
>> "Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. �Atheism is
>> human concern, and intellectual
>> honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot begin to understand. And
>> yet it is more than this. Atheism
>> is not an old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is
>> not, and never has been, a religion
>> at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its simplicity: Atheism
>> is merely the bed-rock of sanity
>> in a world of madness."
>> [Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields
>
> Emmett needs a timeout and the cupboards must be locked.
More pointless twaddle
curtjester1
'Created' with a Conscience. If you don't have morals, you would have
chaos. It's almost chaos now even with the so-called morals.
Atheists don't have anything to keep them in check, so anything goes
(unless they get caught) for justification and living their 'code'.
> Using morals is a daily occurrence in the lives of preachers and
> congregations who expect to be congratulated on being better than others
>
I'll take a pat on the back by God at the end of life. Nothing else
matters.
> There really isn't any reason, rationally, why they
>
> > spend the time doing what they do,....trying to prove a negative..
>
> Again the area of religions. The gods are negative since they cannot be
> proven so all claims by religionists about their own particular gods is
> indeed trying to prove a negative
>
Wow, you are into disjointed view of proving, but be that as it may, I
think you need to get on a better road of entertainment and worthiness
of life, instead of thinking of what others ought to be thinking.
> to
>
> > elevating their thoughts like they are worthy to their condescending
> > speils that are so arrogant, and of course lacking in any scientific
> > assuredness that they have something to stand by. It would be
> > hilarious to just look at an muse over...if it wasn't so sad. Maybe
> > they'll figure out how to balance the budget and show us the way
> > someday...:).
>
> This is what is really sad and what drives atheism to question the present
> day human psyche
>
> Teaching this to children
>
> The universe revolves around the earth.
> Stars are pinpricks in the heavens.
> The world is flat (and on pillars)
> Bats are a kind of bird.
> Rabbits chew their cud.
> There is enough water to flood the entire planet
> Women were created from a man's rib
> Rainbows are a promise from God
>
Wow, this is so bad that I think I should exterminate them, so I can
set up some Soup Kitchens! Oh, I don't think athesists feed people do
they?
CJ
> [Acknowledgements to ŒJames, Seattle¹]
>
>
>
>
>
> > CJ- Hide quoted text -
Parish *~
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Wow, this is so bad that I think I should exterminate them, so I can
set up some Soup Kitchens! Oh, I don't think athesists feed people do
they?
More WTS bullshit? I served in Soup Kitchens and volunteered in Animal
Shelters. I gathered a large load of clothing more than once to give to the
needy. I did volunteer work in a large city hospital. I joined a "Toys For
Tots" ride for the children at St. Judes. I give quite a bit to charity
each year. What have you done you lying hypocrite?
--
The Parrish *~, American-American-American.
* * * * * *
"The Mass is the most perfect form of making money."
* * * * * * * *
Elijahovah
They the atheists get enraged; not all do.
They the religious get enraged; not all do.
They the heteros (the breeders) get enraged; not all do.
They the gays get enraged; not all do.
They the schools (the teachers) get enraged; not all do.
They the parents get enraged; not all do.
There is always a line between the two generalities.
Generalities are not prejudice because prejudice is not
to be defined as group classification. It is wrong to say
prejudice is group classification, it is not. Prejudging means
to make a conclusion before the facts.It is the guilty, all of those
guilty
who wish to hide in the classification and demand protection from
discrimination. BUT analyze that if you will. Which is the worse?
Should parents get all upset if they are classified as The Parents
for something horible or horrid said about parents... we seem to think
that all parents will defend themselves against a lie about parents,
or all gays will defend themselves against a lie about gays, or all
blacks will defend themselves against a lie about blacks. Buut what
you fail
to see is that the guilty in any classification are the ones who wish
to hide what they do by classifying themselves hidden among the rest
of their group and stir the rally to say look how these people dare
classify us. Yes the guilty of the claim made will hide among the
innocent
of their group class and stir the defence up so they cqan continue to
hide.
People all assume that the prejudging is the class itself, say all of
these,
and all of those, and all whites, and all Moslems, and all Jews, etc.
But the prejudging DEFENCE should not be made by the class standing
up and saying tis is a lie about us as a group. INstead the group
should say
if we have such ones, we will sort them out. DO NOT LIE AND
MISINTEPRET
what was just said here. This does not mean sort out Jews, and sort
out gays,
and sort out blacks. It means that when word comes forth saying i.e.
blacks steal, then blacks should stand up and say if we have those who
steal we will sort those who steal out. And if word says we italians
have
big mouths then we Italians should stand up and say if we have big
mouths
we will sort out those with big mouths. In other words dont let the
crime
hide in our groups. Because you cannot integrate and instill pride
groups at the
same time. How can you say all of this class or that class should
gather
and have a pirde gathering yet then say we need to integrate and mix
everyone.
It is hypocritical. It is saying that blacks should be given pride by
letting them
gather as black groups, but dont let white groups gather with pride,
we must mix them.
It is saying jews should be given pride to gather as Jewish groups,
but dont let
atheists gather we must mix them. Quit letting the criminla hide among
your
groups of classes because it is they who want to exploit your class by
saying
the whole group is being discriminated when ever a crime investigator
comes
close to exposing ONLY THEIR personal crimes and sins.
I see this all the time. The guilty try to get themselves classified
with their
kind to say it is a prejudice.
signed ELIJAH
the hour is here
the bride is late
if she doesnt marry before Armageddon then we all die
she too has a choice, die now faithful on HER day and hour and live
forever
or later (yet soon immediately to come)
die now unfaithful after her day and hour
die in OUR day and hour because she refuses to save her children by
dying faithful
curtjester1
> "curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:44656a68-4943-4550...@z7g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> Wow, this is so bad that I think I should exterminate them, so I can
> set up some Soup Kitchens! Oh, I don't think athesists feed people do
> they?
>
> More WTS bullshit? I served in Soup Kitchens and volunteered in Animal
> Shelters. I gathered a large load of clothing more than once to give to the
> needy. I did volunteer work in a large city hospital. I joined a "Toys For
> Tots" ride for the children at St. Judes. I give quite a bit to charity
> each year. What have you done you lying hypocrite?
What does that have to do with Bible truth or acceptable practiced
Christianity? Not to say any of this is particularly wrong, but the
Bible sets standards for worship and this isn't quite any stipulated
requirement. I do donate to the Salvation Army BTW, just because they
feed without religious requirements, and there is nothing that is in
any JW constitution that prohibits them from donating to their a
favorite charity.
CJ
curtjester1
all sorts of venues.
>
> >>> Why believe where you are
> >>> trying to say they are 'Going'?
>
> >>>> If a man and his dog both fall on a mountain track an die together they
> >>>> both rot in the same way and make
> >>>> the same smell until only their bones are left.
>
> >>> How do you know they make the same smell? Have you given a smell
> >>> test?, or conducted or researched surveys?
>
> >>>> That religious people cannot stomach this is well known, as indeed
> >>>> superstitions are well known, both
> >>>> past and present
>
> >>> Oh, religious people have scriptures and dogmas about it being
> >>> reserved for man to die, and they also know that some may never live
> >>> after they die.
>
> >> sure they do. all religions have them and these books, tablets and scrolls
> >> are all the work of men. no gods involved. unless you have proof otherwise
>
> > What else is one to do, dig in the mud?
>
> Look at them, turn on a modicum of common sense and then, like all other
> people who live in a logical world accept that these remnants of early man
> were simply superstition borne of ignorance. Easy isn't it ?
>
>
Superstititon isn't relegated to the past. People have favorite
numbers for the lottery. Wow, if we could just get rid of that, the
atheists would be ruling with such proficiency. Wait, I bet ol' Bob
has some favorite numbers too...<grin>
>
> >>> So it's not a matter of stomaching, is it? It's a
> >>> matter of belief and finding a purpose in life that has been verfied
> >>> by their research and experiences.
>
> >> 'Purpose in life' is something manipulated by religious types, just as is
> >> 'sin'
>
> > A least they have a 'contrived' hope. You have none.
>
Hope should be banned?
> >> They are troubled since they cannot produce their gods so they use good
> >> decent elements of humanity and try to
> >> claim them, as an exclusive part of their belief.
>
> > Evolution can't produce first life, so they get their own Religion and
> > even a place in the school ciriculum's...boo hoo.
>
> Yes - modern day man is making some progress by throwing creation off the
> school curriculum
>
>
If Education wasn't so agendasized they would be throwing Evolution
off too and putting in the afterschool clubs like chess, and band. I
personally wouldn't want Creation taught in a public school.
>
> >> Do you consider that there are no good decent people who do not believe in
> >> gods ?
>
> > I don't believe that there necessarily evil and I would say that
> > probably form a spectrum of morals which they secretly use religion
> > for for forming them....but I do think of them as shall we say,
> > shall we
>
> Of course you do - otherwise the 'Better than thou' syndrome that you people
> in your arrogance appear to thrive on, would be no more
>
>
Actually lowliness of mind is a quality of humilty that we do strive
for. Shallowness is being haughty and thinking one has superior
knowledge abilities like education folk and people in many other
fields.
Some primitive types have more efficiency than out own societies
have. They feed themselves, and live off the land, and govern
themselves without creating debts and they surely can survive much
better than the 'educated' more well off countries.
> I surely couldn't find amusement in hovering over
>
> > people's opinions. Yet atheists seem to make it a 'life's journey'.
> > Sad don't you think?
>
> Nothing is sadder than contemporary humans swallowing nonsense created by
> early desert dwellers.
>
>
Wow, I would think countries going bankrupt, people starving, and all
sorts of decrepit shenanigans going on in the modern world would be
more compelling. Guess they rather do the weird and insignificant for
'some reason'.
Just have to open your front door. That's proof enough for the
masses. What beauty, symmetry, and organization!!
>
> >>> that they would go after religious dogmas versus what they probably
> >>> should be thinking as more weighty things. Did you know that the
> >>> average family is in debt to the national debt to the tune of
> >>> $500-600K?
>
> >> Which has nothing to do with the subject. Do you go to dance classes ?
>
> > Because you seem to think that society would be better off without God
> > in it.
>
> ROFL. God is not 'in it' at all. God is imaginary so anything as a guide
> to decent living that is real honest and true would be preferable
>
God is a little more popular than your little satanic cult. Who else
would rail and hone in on a God-oriented group or lifestyle?
> I would tend to say it is better off because of it. Most of
>
> > our structure in society goes back to the laws of the Ten Commandments
> > and the subsequent laws.
>
> Right. And that is all early man had, simple commandments. No police, No
> law enforcement, no Law Courts to enforce his desires, so what could he do ?
>
> All that he could do was to make up a god and then claim that it would
> punish wrong doers.
>
And the athesists would have the wrongdoers not getting punished
causing havoc and chaos in the world!! Oh, that's a classic.
> They were so simple of course they did not understand that the bad guys
> would not be attending their gatherings and listening to their priests, just
> like today
>
> I think you need to justify people as non-
>
> > believers being able to rule and live just and worthy lives. I think
> > you have failed.
>
> And you think religion has succeeded ?
>
At least the laws of the subsequent Ten Commandments did provide us a
prototype for a society we enjoy today.
God knows every molecule, he even knows what's behind your spittle.
> Being a heart mechanic is hardly a huge
>
> > achievement.
>
> More of the same.
>
> We all clog up, disintegrate, or leak. That's still
>
> > going on and people are dying quite at good rate still.
>
> >>> Is it doing anything
> >>> wonderful like saving lives in the quality and quantity, that could be
> >>> saved, if they just refused to pick up barbaric weapons and destroy
> >>> each other? Oh, that is under the guidelines of 'Christianity'. Too
> >>> many lives saved equals a bad idea to an atheist...
>
> >> Arrant nonsense and your point about not being barbaric and loving each other
> >> lies squarely in the realms of
> >> humanism and not religions. A Muslim has just been put in jail in England for
> >> murdering his eighteen year old
> >> daughter because she wanted to marry some man from a different sect. THAT is
> >> religion for you and THAT does
> >> not figure in atheism.
>
> > Some poor atheist can't live because of sheer nonesense of belief, one
> > that that can never be proven, as one cannot disprove a negative. You
> > have a life that can't go on living, and no real purpose for life.
> > That's a death wish and warrant if I've ever seen one.
>
> Thanks for illustrating for all to see your inability to address the point
>
>
You mean totally ancillary, insignifcant points that don't address the
meatier.
CJ
Parish *~
On Dec 23, 2:35 am, "Parish *~" <Par...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:44656a68-4943-4550...@z7g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> Wow, this is so bad that I think I should exterminate them, so I can
> set up some Soup Kitchens! Oh, I don't think athesists feed people do
> they?
>
> More WTS bullshit? I served in Soup Kitchens and volunteered in Animal
> Shelters. I gathered a large load of clothing more than once to give to
> the
> needy. I did volunteer work in a large city hospital. I joined a "Toys For
> Tots" ride for the children at St. Judes. I give quite a bit to charity
> each year. What have you done you lying hypocrite?
What does that have to do with Bible truth or acceptable practiced
Christianity?
::: You lied and claimed Atheists do nothing to make the world better for
people. Are you now changing the subject rather than admit you did nothing?
How typical. How true to form. How totally expected from a hypocrite.
Not to say any of this is particularly wrong, but the
Bible sets standards for worship and this isn't quite any stipulated
requirement. I do donate to the Salvation Army BTW, just because they
feed without religious requirements, and there is nothing that is in
any JW constitution that prohibits them from donating to their a
favorite charity.
::: Good. Now get your ass out there and help man the soup kitchens, the
homeless shelters and the free Clothes Closets. Get donations for shelters
for Abused Women and Children. Actions, - not words make the world a better
place.
Turban Joe Balasootoe
>
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>
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Religisti = worship the shed blood, the flesh of JC,
fully Homo Sapien.
Humanisti = worship fully the flesh of ALL Homo
Sapien.
application: Reject Religisti & Humanisti both.
curtjester1
> "curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:11ece08c-c249-4244...@z40g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 23, 2:35 am, "Parish *~" <Par...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > "curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:44656a68-4943-4550...@z7g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> > Wow, this is so bad that I think I should exterminate them, so I can
> > set up some Soup Kitchens! Oh, I don't think athesists feed people do
> > they?
>
> > More WTS bullshit? I served in Soup Kitchens and volunteered in Animal
> > Shelters. I gathered a large load of clothing more than once to give to
> > the
> > needy. I did volunteer work in a large city hospital. I joined a "Toys For
> > Tots" ride for the children at St. Judes. I give quite a bit to charity
> > each year. What have you done you lying hypocrite?
>
> What does that have to do with Bible truth or acceptable practiced
> Christianity?
>
> ::: You lied and claimed Atheists do nothing to make the world better for
> people. Are you now changing the subject rather than admit you did nothing?
> How typical. How true to form. How totally expected from a hypocrite.
>
Christian groups and how much bad that it has done for the world, that
it would give them a chance to portray themselves as a force of good
that would have the world better off with them and no religion or
Christianity. And of course, what does religion owe to the world
through Christianity? They're obligated to pay their taxes and to
take care of their families, and to save the world would be likened to
saving a sinking ship. Why else would Jesus speak of not putting new
wine into old wineskins? And all the prophecies of the future tell of
what the world will go through whether a person wants to be part of it
or not, and that can't change. Do atheists ever attack people for
liking Greek Gods or getting after all the world for people doing
Santa Claus type things? An atheist is hypocrital in belief because
his belief is not provable and it is relegated into self-servingness
by claiming that they are good why religion is bad for the world.
> Not to say any of this is particularly wrong, but the
> Bible sets standards for worship and this isn't quite any stipulated
> requirement. I do donate to the Salvation Army BTW, just because they
> feed without religious requirements, and there is nothing that is in
> any JW constitution that prohibits them from donating to their a
> favorite charity.
>
> ::: Good. Now get your ass out there and help man the soup kitchens, the
> homeless shelters and the free Clothes Closets. Get donations for shelters
> for Abused Women and Children. Actions, - not words make the world a better
> place.
>
> --
Oh for your perfect world? Did you ever think if governments were
honest, and not self-serving, that they would pay attention to their
citizenries and there would be NO NEED for soup kitchens or shelters?
Well, the future speaks of no pain, or hunger in God's government when
it destroys all government on earth, and what's left is one that
promises remarkable security and an abundance of necessary assets for
ALL.
CJ
Parish *~
On Dec 25, 2:19 am, "Parish *~" <Par...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> ::: You lied and claimed Atheists do nothing to make the world better for
> people. Are you now changing the subject rather than admit you did
> nothing?
> How typical. How true to form. How totally expected from a hypocrite.
>
I think we were discussing why atheists think that by railing
Christian groups and how much bad that it has done for the world, that
it would give them a chance to portray themselves as a force of good
that would have the world better off with them and no religion or
Christianity.
::: You think wrong. Your thinking is becoming warped from the constant
required reading of WTS literature.
And of course, what does religion owe to the world
through Christianity? They're obligated to pay their taxes and to
take care of their families, and to save the world would be likened to
saving a sinking ship.
::: And yet when ships are sinking many other ships and planes and boars
rush to their rescue don't they? They don't make excuses like you and the
WTS does. They do what they can to rescue as many as possible.
Why else would Jesus speak of not putting new
wine into old wineskins?
::: Which has NOTHING to do with the poor widows and orphans he spoke of.
And all the prophecies of the future tell of
what the world will go through whether a person wants to be part of it
or not, and that can't change. Do atheists ever attack people for
liking Greek Gods or getting after all the world for people doing
Santa Claus type things?
::: Atheists don't "attack" anyone. Do you have some websites to prove they
attack people for doing good?
An atheist is hypocrital in belief because
his belief is not provable and it is relegated into self-servingness
by claiming that they are good why religion is bad for the world.
::: Which atheists made that claim? Some religions and cults are bad for
the world. If you're over age 12 or so you realize this. :-) The WTS Book
Publishing House trying to pass as a religion is one of them as most people
know.
> Not to say any of this is particularly wrong, but the
> Bible sets standards for worship and this isn't quite any stipulated
> requirement. I do donate to the Salvation Army BTW, just because they
> feed without religious requirements, and there is nothing that is in
> any JW constitution that prohibits them from donating to their a
> favorite charity.
:::: There's always an excuse from a JW as to why they don't donate to any
charities. Why should a hungry or homeless person have to have some
religious affiliation to be fed? Because the greedy self-serving GB says so?
Jesus didn't ask anyone if they were Jews or JWs or Pagans when he helped
them. Why not follow his example instead of the evil GBs example?
>
> ::: Good. Now get your ass out there and help man the soup kitchens, the
> homeless shelters and the free Clothes Closets. Get donations for shelters
> for Abused Women and Children. Actions, - not words make the world a
> better
> place.
>
> --
Oh for your perfect world? Did you ever think if governments were
honest, and not self-serving, that they would pay attention to their
citizenries and there would be NO NEED for soup kitchens or shelters?
::: Irrelevant to those in NEED now. Why do you use the GBs evil excuse to
give nothing and do nothing? Are you as evil and selfish as they are?
Well, the future speaks of no pain, or hunger in God's government when
it destroys all government on earth, and what's left is one that
promises remarkable security and an abundance of necessary assets for
ALL.
::: Worry about NOW and those in need NOW. Forget what the evil GB pumps
into your brain..........
--
"There are none more ignorant and useless, than they that seek answers
on their knees, with their eyes closed mumbling Goddidit."
default
<Par...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>"curtjester1" <curtj...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:fc403835-ec0c-4cd6...@n38g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>On Dec 25, 2:19 am, "Parish *~" <Par...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> ::: You lied and claimed Atheists do nothing to make the world better for
>> people. Are you now changing the subject rather than admit you did
>> nothing?
>> How typical. How true to form. How totally expected from a hypocrite.
>>
>
>I think we were discussing why atheists think that by railing
>Christian groups and how much bad that it has done for the world, that
>it would give them a chance to portray themselves as a force of good
>that would have the world better off with them and no religion or
>Christianity.
>
Making generalizations about atheists? Christians do that often
enough. Basically, an atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in
god. No more, no less.
Speaking for myself now: I'm just sick and tired of being told what
is good for me based on what some zealot religionist who thinks he
"knows what god wants."
Religionists claim they have a right and duty to "Spread the Word of
God?" But if you happen to be atheist you can't do the same thing?
Start pushing at people, and you should expect them to push back.
Poor god - he's wanting.
>::: You think wrong. Your thinking is becoming warped from the constant
>required reading of WTS literature.
>
>And of course, what does religion owe to the world
>through Christianity? They're obligated to pay their taxes and to
>take care of their families, and to save the world would be likened to
>saving a sinking ship.
Self fulfilling prophecy anyone? If you are already convinced the
ship is sinking, you waste no effort in saving it, and it is more
likely to sink, or sink before a rescue can be arranged.
The problem with "rapture heads." They want and expect the world to
end in their lifetime. People and religions have been predicting the
end of the world for as long as they have had gods.
Why not help things along? You are convinced that the end is near
anyway. You just may be part of "God's Plan." If anything happens it
is because god wills it right? So if you were to light off a
thermonuclear device it would just be god working through you, his
loyal servant, right?
Christianity would not be around if Jews hadn't been primed to welcome
a Messiah. Jesus came along and got a dose of some eccentric
evangelist (John the B) and embraced the philosophy, and the rest is
history. Jesus had charisma and bathed more often than John or you
be worshiping John the Baptist today.
Religions promote the "end times" because it is good salesmanship.
Buy now ! you don't want to be left out ! everyone is doing it ! the
value will triple in just a few months ! get in on the ground floor !
the price can only go up !
Save your immortal soul ! the end times are upon us!
A sense of urgency will get people off their asses. Every huckster
uses this technique.
>
>::: And yet when ships are sinking many other ships and planes and boars
>rush to their rescue don't they? They don't make excuses like you and the
>WTS does. They do what they can to rescue as many as possible.
>
>Why else would Jesus speak of not putting new
>wine into old wineskins?
Because it makes no sense to mix fresh wine with live "mother of
vinegar?" Unless you enjoy drinking acidic slime . . . or worse being
covered in smelly acidic slime when the skin bursts with the CO2. Or
"new" unfermented grape juice would cause the skins to burst . . .
Maybe the guy is just particular about his wine?
>
>::: Which has NOTHING to do with the poor widows and orphans he spoke of.
>
>And all the prophecies of the future tell of
>what the world will go through whether a person wants to be part of it
>or not, and that can't change. Do atheists ever attack people for
>liking Greek Gods or getting after all the world for people doing
>Santa Claus type things?
>
All the prophecies of the future? ALL? You've personally read and
cataloged all the prophecies of the future? My own prophesy of the
future involves a seared slow roasted leg of lamb - did you know that?
Amazing! I'm still up in the air about a Merlot or Burgundy with that
- what does the prophecy say?
Ah yes - part of my own Catholic indoctrination. Religion is the bond
between the Creator and Created. Even if you don't acknowledge it you
have it. The sure belief that even if you don't want to be part of it
- you are stuck with it. There is no escape - don't attempt to
escape.
The old Greek Gods are wonderful myths just like the
"God of Abraham." The only real difference is we don't have people,
like you, to rail against when it comes to Zeus.
No one is expected to believe Santa is real - that's just a lie we
tell to kiddies. Unlike religion, we eventually fess up and tell the
truth.
>::: Atheists don't "attack" anyone. Do you have some websites to prove they
>attack people for doing good?
>
> An atheist is hypocrital in belief because
>his belief is not provable and it is relegated into self-servingness
>by claiming that they are good why religion is bad for the world.
Proving a negative is near impossible at the best of times. Proving a
positive assertion is much easier - you just point to your evidence.
Evidence of a god? Trot it out, and lets have a look at it.
>
>::: Which atheists made that claim? Some religions and cults are bad for
>the world. If you're over age 12 or so you realize this. :-) The WTS Book
>Publishing House trying to pass as a religion is one of them as most people
>know.
>
>
>> Not to say any of this is particularly wrong, but the
>> Bible sets standards for worship and this isn't quite any stipulated
>> requirement. I do donate to the Salvation Army BTW, just because they
>> feed without religious requirements, and there is nothing that is in
>> any JW constitution that prohibits them from donating to their a
>> favorite charity.
>
>:::: There's always an excuse from a JW as to why they don't donate to any
>charities. Why should a hungry or homeless person have to have some
>religious affiliation to be fed? Because the greedy self-serving GB says so?
>Jesus didn't ask anyone if they were Jews or JWs or Pagans when he helped
>them. Why not follow his example instead of the evil GBs example?
>
>>
>> ::: Good. Now get your ass out there and help man the soup kitchens, the
>> homeless shelters and the free Clothes Closets. Get donations for shelters
>> for Abused Women and Children. Actions, - not words make the world a
>> better
>> place.
>>
>> --
>Oh for your perfect world? Did you ever think if governments were
>honest, and not self-serving, that they would pay attention to their
>citizenries and there would be NO NEED for soup kitchens or shelters?
The problem is with human flaws. Even if the government wasn't run by
humans, and perfect, and could provide for everyone, some greedy
self-serving bastard would still come along and game the system.
Christ had some damn good philosophy - his cheer leaders really suck
though.
>
>::: Irrelevant to those in NEED now. Why do you use the GBs evil excuse to
>give nothing and do nothing? Are you as evil and selfish as they are?
>
>Well, the future speaks of no pain, or hunger in God's government when
>it destroys all government on earth, and what's left is one that
>promises remarkable security and an abundance of necessary assets for
>ALL.
A book written thousands of years ago, by near- illiterate, very
superstitious sheep herders, is my bible.
duke
>Making generalizations about atheists? Christians do that often
>enough. Basically, an atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in
>god. No more, no less.
Wrong. Atheists deny/reject the existence of God. Agnostics just don't find
all the evidence convincing.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
teresita
> Making generalizations about atheists? Christians do that often enough.
> Basically, an atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in god. No
> more, no less.
That makes Christians atheists with respect to Zeus.
--
Teresita
http://hackylinux.blogspot.com/
default
>On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:34:00 -0500, default wrote:
>
>> Making generalizations about atheists? Christians do that often enough.
>> Basically, an atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in god. No
>> more, no less.
>
>That makes Christians atheists with respect to Zeus.
I was raised Catholic and the nuns would harp for hours on "what
atheists believe." Everything from murder and mayhem to liberalism
and communism. When atheists weren't busy biting the heads off
children, they were just plain bad people.
I guess when a person is subjected for hours of Catholic
indoctrination day in and day out, the only real choices left are
submit or rebel. Maybe the nuns felt their control was slipping - all
but two were ancient, so they weren't up to the task of boisterous
children. Nuns seemed to think we were pretty stupid and ramping up
the rhetoric was a way to instill fear as a substitute for their
shortcomings as teachers.
For some reason they'd reiterate the idea that only Catholics in good
standing would go to heaven - but never rail against other religions,
just atheists.
Linux huh? I plan another foray into Linux, I did have Mandrake and
Knoppix up and running years ago. This time I'll be a two box system
with a KVM switch. Directron has an exceptionally good deal on some
surplus California school computers. Got one for my wife, and one for
myself.
--
Ips-Switch
"teresita" <rub...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:hhd2e...@news2.newsguy.com...
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:34:00 -0500, default wrote:
>
>> Making generalizations about atheists? Christians do that often enough.
>> Basically, an atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in god. No
>> more, no less.
>
> That makes Christians atheists with respect to Zeus.
Plus the other 10,000 known Gods and Goddesses worshipped by someone
somewhere. ;-)
>
> --
> Teresita
> http://hackylinux.blogspot.com/
duke
>On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:34:00 -0500, default wrote:
>
>> Making generalizations about atheists? Christians do that often enough.
>> Basically, an atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in god. No
>> more, no less.
>
>That makes Christians atheists with respect to Zeus.
zeus is just a name in a book of myths.
duke
wrote:
Just like you worship a bottle of drugs.
teresita
> zeus is just a name in a book of myths.
Next to Yahweh and El
--
Teresita
http://hackylinux.blogspot.com/
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
Did the big nothing in the sky,
tell you there is no God?
Jim
1 Corinthians 15
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached
unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached
unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received,
how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day
according to the scriptures:
5And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of
whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen
asleep.
7After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due
time.
Ips-Switch
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:k33nj55mvumjk8om9...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:27:28 -0600, "Ips-Switch"
> <Ips-S...@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> Just like you worship a bottle of drugs.
No drugs here. I'm not one of your priests trying to lose himself in drugs
and booze because he raped a little kid in the back of the church. ;-) Are
you?
duke
wrote:
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:k33nj55mvumjk8om9...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:27:28 -0600, "Ips-Switch"
>> <Ips-S...@nospam.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Just like you worship a bottle of drugs.
>No drugs here. I'm not one of your priests trying to lose himself in drugs
>and booze because he raped a little kid in the back of the church. ;-) Are
>you?
I don't know of any priests that did that. But I've seen a lot of secularists
that have. Are you?
duke
>On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:21:57 -0600, duke wrote:
>
>> zeus is just a name in a book of myths.
>
>Next to Yahweh and El
They're not there either.
Parish *~
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:21:19 -0600, "Ips-Switch"
> <Ips-S...@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:k33nj55mvumjk8om9...@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:27:28 -0600, "Ips-Switch"
>>> <Ips-S...@nospam.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just like you worship a bottle of drugs.
>
>>No drugs here. I'm not one of your priests trying to lose himself in drugs
>>and booze because he raped a little kid in the back of the church. ;-)
>>Are
>>you?
>
> I don't know of any priests that did that.
Really? Your church sure knew about them and admitted it. Are you just
another priest who "looked the other way?"
But I've seen a lot of secularists
> that have. Are you?
You watched them rape children and did nothing? Typical..............
--
The Parrish *~, American-American-American.
* * * * * *
"The Mass is the most perfect form of brain washing."
duke
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:tm5pj51vckmv9ehvt...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:21:19 -0600, "Ips-Switch"
>> <Ips-S...@nospam.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:k33nj55mvumjk8om9...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:27:28 -0600, "Ips-Switch"
>>>> <Ips-S...@nospam.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just like you worship a bottle of drugs.
>>
>>>No drugs here. I'm not one of your priests trying to lose himself in drugs
>>>and booze because he raped a little kid in the back of the church. ;-)
>>>Are
>>>you?
>>
>> I don't know of any priests that did that.
>Really? Your church sure knew about them and admitted it. Are you just
>another priest who "looked the other way?"
There are so few pedophile priests in the Church and they are so localized that
I'm never met one.
And no, I'm not a priest.
>But I've seen a lot of secularists
>> that have. Are you?
>You watched them rape children and did nothing? Typical..............
I never saw a thing. And only 27% of the 4300 priests accused involved penile
penetration or attempted penile penetration. Now I admit that 4300 priests are
4300 too many, but do try to get your facts straight.
Bob Young
On 12/23/09 2:50 AM, in article
44656a68-4943-4550...@z7g2000vbl.googlegroups.com,
"curtjester1" <curtj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
True and they have nothing to do with imaginary gods. Unless you are one of
those dumb kooks who thinks every atheist is devoid of morals
Good thing we were at least
> 'Created' with a Conscience.
You were not. You learned about conscience from others, mostly your parents
just like you learned about imaginary gods.
The morals are real and useful, the gods are novelties from the past and
best forgotten
If you don't have morals, you would have
> chaos. It's almost chaos now even with the so-called morals.
> Atheists don't have anything to keep them in check, so anything goes
> (unless they get caught) for justification and living their 'code'.
Arrogant self centered immature bullshit
>
>
>> Using morals is a daily occurrence in the lives of preachers and
>> congregations who expect to be congratulated on being better than others
>>
> I'll take a pat on the back by God at the end of life. Nothing else
> matters.
Ha Ha you will never know
>
>> There really isn't any reason, rationally, why they
>>
>>> spend the time doing what they do,....trying to prove a negative..
>>
>> Again the area of religions. The gods are negative since they cannot be
>> proven so all claims by religionists about their own particular gods is
>> indeed trying to prove a negative
>>
> Wow, you are into disjointed view of proving, but be that as it may, I
> think you need to get on a better road of entertainment and worthiness
> of life, instead of thinking of what others ought to be thinking.
You should take up part time preaching, you seemed to have learned all the
'necessary patter' off by heart.
>
>
>
>> to
>>
>>> elevating their thoughts like they are worthy to their condescending
>>> speils that are so arrogant, and of course lacking in any scientific
>>> assuredness that they have something to stand by. It would be
>>> hilarious to just look at an muse over...if it wasn't so sad. Maybe
>>> they'll figure out how to balance the budget and show us the way
>>> someday...:).
>>
>> This is what is really sad and what drives atheism to question the present
>> day human psyche
>>
>> Teaching this to children
>>
>> The universe revolves around the earth.
>> Stars are pinpricks in the heavens.
>> The world is flat (and on pillars)
>> Bats are a kind of bird.
>> Rabbits chew their cud.
>> There is enough water to flood the entire planet
>> Women were created from a man's rib
>> Rainbows are a promise from God
>>
> Wow, this is so bad that I think I should exterminate them, so I can
> set up some Soup Kitchens! Oh, I don't think athesists feed people do
> they?
How cute. I notice how well you nicely avoided addressing that those silly
primitive ideas above, which all appear in your old book of fables !
A book which, had it never caught on about nine hundred years ago, the
Christian belief of today would possibly be non existent, since it relies on
that same old book for about 80% of it's dogma. Islamists have their
version as well.
All written in early history by desert dwellers living in fear and
trepidation from day to night during some period that cannot be defined or
verified. If it wasn't so frighteningly retarded, it would be laughable.
Well done young man.
Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
Man creates his gods in his own image,
then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content
R E L I G I O N – it is all in the mind,
an escape from life’s realities and hardships,
sixty percent ritual, forty percent fantasy
Oh how I wish there were a loving god. A god that would take care of man’s
ills and wants and desires. But I have the common sense and intelligence to
know that this is simply the way that man desires things to be.
Bob Young
On 12/24/09 4:10 AM, in article
fd5832d3-a5b0-446d...@21g2000vbh.googlegroups.com,
"curtjester1" <curtj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
YOU BLITHERING IDIOT - HOPE IS WHAT YOUR MYTH AND THE MAJORITY OF IT'S
FOLLOWERS THRIVES ON
Parish *~
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:48:54 -0600, "Parish *~" <Par...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:tm5pj51vckmv9ehvt...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:21:19 -0600, "Ips-Switch"
>>> <Ips-S...@nospam.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:k33nj55mvumjk8om9...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:27:28 -0600, "Ips-Switch"
>>>>> <Ips-S...@nospam.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Just like you worship a bottle of drugs.
>>>
>>>>No drugs here. I'm not one of your priests trying to lose himself in
>>>>drugs
>>>>and booze because he raped a little kid in the back of the church. ;-)
>>>>Are
>>>>you?
>>>
>>> I don't know of any priests that did that.
>
>>Really? Your church sure knew about them and admitted it. Are you just
>>another priest who "looked the other way?"
>
> There are so few pedophile priests in the Church and they are so localized
> that
> I'm never met one.
Lying for your church wont get you into the mythical Heaven. ;-)
>
> And no, I'm not a priest.
>
>>But I've seen a lot of secularists
>>> that have. Are you?
>
>>You watched them rape children and did nothing? Typical..............
>
> I never saw a thing. And only 27% of the 4300 priests accused involved
> penile
> penetration or attempted penile penetration. Now I admit that 4300
> priests are
> 4300 too many, but do try to get your facts straight.
Penile penetration? What the hell's the difference if the pervert priest
used his penis, his fingers, a bottle, a stick, or who knows what... the
emotional damage to the child is the same.
duke
Ask your daddy.
Parish *~
Why when you're one of the sex offenders and are trying to protect your
brother sex offenders?
My Daddy wasn't a RC priest - was yours?
--
The Parrish *~, American-American-American.
* * * * * *
"The Mass is the most perfect form of making money."
duke
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:mpr3k5p5m0ej191h1...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:07:52 -0600, "Parish *~" <Par...@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> I never saw a thing. And only 27% of the 4300 priests accused involved
>>>> penile
>>>> penetration or attempted penile penetration. Now I admit that 4300
>>>> priests are
>>>> 4300 too many, but do try to get your facts straight.
>>
>>>Penile penetration? What the hell's the difference if the pervert priest
>>>used his penis, his fingers, a bottle, a stick, or who knows what...
>>
>> Ask your daddy.
>Why when you're one of the sex offenders and are trying to protect your
>brother sex offenders? My Daddy wasn't a RC priest - was yours?
You're a sick human being.