"Saved"
Donna Kupp
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be
saved." Romans 10:13
Does the word saved mean "receive eternal life"? That is the
concept that is taught by Modern Christianity. Is it true?
The word saved means "delivered or protect". Thayers lexicon
gives this as the primary meaning: 1) to save, keep safe and sound,
to rescue from danger or destruction.
All men are condemned to death because all have sinned. But
whosoever will call upon the name - the power and authority of
Jesus will be rescued and delivered from the kingdom of Satan so
they may repent and become the children of God.
To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
are saved do not have eternal life - but they can - if they will
continue on to true repentance. That is why Paul wrote:
"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my
presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your
own salvation with fear and trembling." Phi 2:12
Being saved leads to salvation and receiving eternal life. And how
does one inherit eternal life?
"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none
good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the
commandments." Mat 19:17
There can be no question which commandments Jesus meant
because he referred directly to the ten commandments!
We cannot be saved from the clutches of sin and Satan by any
power of our own - only by the grace of God which comes through
believing in Jesus.
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:" Eph 2:8
Those who receive Jesus are given the power to become the
children of God - that power is the grace of God. They are not born
of God until they come to true repentance.
"But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become
children of God, even to them that believe on his name:" John
1:12
"But he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved." Mat 24:13
To be saved we must endure to the end (Greek "goal reached") The
goal of those who believe in Jesus is to repent of sin and become
the children of God - those who are born of God.
To be saved is the first step in the process of receiving eternal
life.
One can easily see the confusion in peoples minds if they are
taught that to be saved means to receive eternal life.
Donna Kupp
http://groups.google.com/group/Freetruth?hl=en,
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/show.php?i=630302&cat=0
The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.freetruth.info
LuckyLuke
"Donna Kupp" <dk...@charter.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:13cf01d4-df15-4fba...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>
> Those who
> are saved do not have eternal life
That doesn't make any sense.
LuckyLuke
"Diana" <shech...@reborn.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:7qm3si...@mid.individual.net...
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
>
>
>
> "LuckyLuke" <fonta...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hi4kku$4h9$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> In my belief being saved means eternal life, however, if we fall from
> Grace and stay in a backslidden condition then I do not think we have
> eternal life. This is what I go by but I could be wrong.
> Revelation 3:4-6 (King James Version)
>
> 4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their
> garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
>
> 5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I
> will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his
> name before my Father, and before his angels.
>
> 6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the
> churches.
I don't take too seriously all the biblical writings of John, or *supposed*
to be written by John...
They don't fit in the bible. All John's writings are like a black point on a
perfectly white desk.
I have a theory about it but i keep it for myself.
Just think that for some *ritual of magical spells* is needed to read aloud
the first about 10 (or some) verses of the 1 chapter of the Gospel of John.
I suggest to read all John's writings (included Apocalypse) with attention
but don't use them as a primary source to make a doctrine.
The book of Revelation (Apocalypse) was *NON-canonical* for centuries. And
in some canons (like Peshitta) is totally absent.
LuckyLuke
> will think about them. Especially the book of Revelation. Again thanks.
You're welcome. If you need something else where i can help, feel free to
ask.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
hi4kku$4h9$1...@news.eternal-september.org
She never does but has come to usenet to spread her lies about Jesus,
whose Deity she rejects. Her "gospel" is close to the "gospel" of a
Jehovah's Witness.
LuckyLuke
" ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-...@lycos.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:7qmar1...@mid.individual.net...
If she is a liar, is a *bad* liar. I feel is a lost sheep. We better pray
God to have mercy and send someone to *try* to rescue her.
®
Diana <shech...@reborn.com> wrote:
> I can't see where others say you teach salvation through works
Donna Kupp attacking the unconditional nature of God's love:
http://www.freetruth.info/THE%20SEVEN%20DECEPTIONS/essay4.htm
God's word:
Romans 8:30 NIV
(30) And those he predestined, he also called; those he called,
he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
Romans 8:38-39 NIV
(38) For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither
angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any
powers,
(39) neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that
is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
If salvation is conditional, then it depends on your merits or
works. The Bible says it does not, and therefore that nothing
can separate the believer from the love of God.
Donna Kupp claiming you can't be saved if you commit willful sin,
and that real christians don't sin at all:
http://www.freetruth.info/THE%20SEVEN%20DECEPTIONS/essay3.htm
God's word:
1 John 1:8 NIV
(8) If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the
truth is not in us.
Donna Kupp claiming you have to keep the Sabbath:
http://www.freetruth.info/THE%20SEVEN%20DECEPTIONS/essay7.htm
God's word:
Colossians 2:16-17 NIV
(16) Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or
drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon
celebration or a Sabbath day.
(17) These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the
reality, however, is found in Christ.
Galatians 3:6-14 NIV
(6) Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to
him as righteousness."
(7) Understand, then, that those who believe are children of
Abraham.
(8) The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by
faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All
nations will be blessed through you."
(9) So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the
man of faith.
(10) All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it
is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do
everything written in the Book of the Law."
(11) Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because,
"The righteous will live by faith."
(12) The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man
who does these things will live by them."
(13) Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a
curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung
on a tree."
(14) He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham
might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith
we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
Galatians 5:4-12 NIV
(4) You who are trying to be justified by law have been
alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
(5) But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the
righteousness for which we hope.
(6) For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision
has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing
itself through love.
(7) You were running a good race. Who cut in on you and kept you
from obeying the truth?
(8) That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls
you.
(9) "A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough."
(10) I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other
view. The one who is throwing you into confusion will pay the
penalty, whoever he may be.
(11) Brothers, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I
still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has
been abolished.
(12) As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way
and emasculate themselves!
Galatians 1:8-9 NIV
(8) But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a
gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be
eternally condemned!
(9) As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is
preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him
be eternally condemned!
Donna Kupp misinterpreting the law, confusing the evidence of
saving faith with a term of salvation, and substituting a single
verse snippet from James 2:24 for the gospel:
On 4 Dec 2000 05:50:58 GMT
In Group "soc.religion.christian"
Article Message-ID: <90fbc2$fh6$3...@newsmonger.rutgers.edu>
Subject: Re: Who Is The Heretic Of Christianity?
"Donna Kupp" <dk...@harborside.com> wrote:
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"We are saved by grace alone through
faith alone" is just a slogan that has no scriptural basis.
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God's word:
See Galatians above
Galatians 3:15-29 NIV
(15) Brothers, let me take an example from everyday life. Just
as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been
duly established, so it is in this case.
(16) The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The
Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but
"and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.
(17) What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later,
does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and
thus do away with the promise.
(18) For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no
longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to
Abraham through a promise.
(19) What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added
because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise
referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a
mediator.
(20) A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but
God is one.
(21) Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God?
Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart
life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law.
(22) But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a
prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through
faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
(23) Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law,
locked up until faith should be revealed.
(24) So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we
might be justified by faith.
(25) Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the
supervision of the law.
(26) You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus,
(27) for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed
yourselves with Christ.
(28) There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor
female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
(29) If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and
heirs according to the promise.
Romans 4:1-25 NASB
(1) What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather
according to the flesh, has found?
(2) For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to
boast about, but not before God.
(3) For what does the Scripture say? "ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND
IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS."
(4) Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a
favor, but as what is due.
(5) But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who
justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
(6) just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom
God credits righteousness apart from works:
(7) "BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN,
AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED.
(8) "BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO
ACCOUNT."
(9) Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the
uncircumcised also? For we say, "FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS
RIGHTEOUSNESS."
(10) How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or
uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised;
(11) and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the
righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so
that he might be the father of all who believe without being
circumcised,
that righteousness might be credited to them,
(12) and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of
the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith
of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised.
(13) For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he
would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through
the righteousness of faith.
(14) For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made
void and the promise is nullified;
(15) for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law,
there also is no violation.
(16) For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in
accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to
all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but
also to
those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,
(17) (as it is written, "A FATHER OF MANY NATIONS HAVE I MADE
YOU") in the presence of Him whom he believed, even God, who
gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not
exist.
(18) In hope against hope he believed, so that he might become a
father of many nations according to that which had been spoken,
"SO SHALL YOUR DESCENDANTS BE."
(19) Without becoming weak in faith he contemplated his own
body, now as good as dead since he was about a hundred years old,
and the deadness of Sarah's womb;
(20) yet, with respect to the promise of God, he did not waver
in unbelief but grew strong in faith, giving glory to God,
(21) and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was
able also to perform.
(22) Therefore IT WAS ALSO CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.
(23) Now not for his sake only was it written that it was
credited to him,
(24) but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as
those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,
(25) He who was delivered over because of our transgressions,
and was raised because of our justification.
The context of James is referring to someone who _claims_ to have
faith, but who then uses that as a license to live as he pleases.
It's not talking about how to become justified with God, but
how to demonstrate you are truly righteous to those whom you
profess your faith. Good works are the evidence that proves to
men we already are righteous with God, not a means by which we
achieve righeousness with God on our own.
Donna ignores and/or twists anything found in Galatians,
Ephesians, Romans, or any other body of doctrine that shows
salvation by grace, through faith, not works, then makes a
misrepresentation of James 2:24 the core of her false gospel.
--
Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
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ka6uup
does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides
on him."
Joh 5:24 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and
believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come
into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
Rom 5:17 For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one,
much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of
righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
Rom 5:18 Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all
men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act
the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
Rom 5:21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign
through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
2Co 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old
things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
2Co 5:18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself
through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
2Co 5:19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to
Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us
the word of reconciliation.
I
> Donna Kupp attacking the unconditional nature of God's love:
Randy Young is running out of people to attack and now picks on Donna.
Will Randy Young call her a "whore" like he has the other Christian women on
ACC?????
Will he contact her ISP as he has with other people he disagrees with on
ACC????
Repetition of the OCD kind seems to be Randy Young �'s life
considering his DUPLICATED emails from this newsgroup posters at
- http://groups.google.com.au/group/faithguard?hl=en
- http://www.faithguard.org/
- http://www.hopeguard.org/
- http://pulpitfire.blogspot.com/
4 940 posts in each of the four sites which is a TOTAL of 19
760 DUPLICATED posts on his sites!!!!!
Come on Randy - you can reach 20 000 if you really try!
Randy Young � also spams this newsgroup with the same replies over and over
every day.
Ask yourself what normal person does such a thing.
Randy Young � thinks this daily abuse is "guarding the faith". I quote from
http://groups.google.com.au/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=DiLFqxQAAAABcCxRJnfNjIMMZ6pfmxxyOPANdqfI6prRsqjc7uCt1A
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There's little I enjoy more than coming into these groups to guard the faith
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IS "guarding the faith" abusing Christians and calling Christian women
"whores" on this newsgroup and reporting them to their ISPs over trivial
matters??????
My ISP calls Randy Young's daily rants "ABUSE". I quote:
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I just got an email from your ISP saying it was returned for innappropriate
language. ... talking about the headers where Randy is calling *[Christian
women] whores.
MAILER...@tpg.com.au to me
show details 8:04 PM (3 minutes ago)
Your message has been prevented from delivery because it contains language
that is not appropriate. TPG reserves the right to protect its staff and
members from this type of abuse.
You are encouraged to re-write your message before sending it again. A copy
of your original message is below.
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RANDY YOUNG �'s HATE SPEECH ADVOCATING SPOUSAL RAPE ......
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Newsgroups: alt.christnet.prayer
From: Randy <pulpi...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:00:42 -0500
Local: Wed, Sep 27 2006 9:00 am
Subject: Re: Daily prayer needed
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:13:40 GMT,
in article <o5eSg.3763$pq4.3...@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com>,
...
I don't need to, because she believes what 1 Corinthians 7 says when
it says the husband's body belongs to the wife, and not to himself,
and the wife's body belongs to the husband, and not herself, and that
benevolence is "due" as a command of God for the promotion of holy
living. The only way you can commit "rape" in a marriage, is if you
deny what the Bible teaches when it says the husband's and wives'
bodies belong to each other, but not to themselves, and the fact God
has commanded benevolence, calling it "due", in favor of the laws and
customs of those who deny the authority of the Bible.
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Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from
religious conviction." ---Blaise Pascal
The most pronounced characteristics [of fundamentalists] are the following:
(a) a very strong emphasis on the inerrancy of the Bible, the absence from
it of any sort of error;
(b) a strong hostility to modern theology and to the methods, results and
implications of modern critical study of the Bible;
(c) an assurance that those who do not share their religious viewpoint are
not really 'true Christians' at all.
- James Barr "Fundamentalism" (SCM Press:1977) p.1
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Read the adventures of Rundy Bullspitfire - where every post is archived.
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gabriel
<dk...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> What does "saved" mean?
>
> "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be
> saved." Romans 10:13
>
> Does the word saved mean "receive eternal life"? That is the
> concept that is taught by Modern Christianity. Is it true?
>
> The word saved means "delivered or protect". Thayers lexicon
> gives this as the primary meaning: 1) to save, keep safe and sound,
> to rescue from danger or destruction.
>
> All men are condemned to death because all have sinned. But
> whosoever will call upon the name - the power and authority of
> Jesus will be rescued and delivered from the kingdom of Satan so
> they may repent and become the children of God.
>
> To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation.
> Those who are saved do not have eternal life - but they can - if they will
> continue on to true repentance.
Salvation is not earned by works. If we only look at the verses
that support what we want to believe, and don't compare scripture
with scripture, such fatal errors can be made - and this is a
fatal error that will have people believing salvation is earned
by works - such people will still be on their way to hell as they
are not trusting solely on Christ, but instead trusting in
themselves and their keeping of the Law to justify and save them.
Looking at other scripture clearly shows us we are not saved by
works at all, or even maintain salvation by works at all:
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man
should boast.
Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but
according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of
regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Titus 3:5 KJV
"Knowing that **a man is not justified by the works of
the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ**, even we have
believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be **justified by the
faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the
works of the law shall no flesh be justified**.
Galatians 2:16 KJV
"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the
life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he
live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.
Believest thou this?
John 11:25-26 KJV
Did Jesus say, whosoever shall believe in me, and then remain
perfectly sinless the rest of their life by the works of the Law,
shall never die? No - Jesus clearly said whosoever believes on
Him (as the only way to heaven) will never die. Repent and then
call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, believing in Him to
save you from the punishment of your lifetime of sins - to be
your Lord and your Savior (from the heart - it's not the words
that save).
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me
hath everlasting life. I am that bread of life.
John 6:47-48 KJV
Jesus does not say "He that believes on me and maintain the works
of the Law will be saved".
Even Paul was aware of the annoyance that sin is still present
with us at times even though we absolutely *hate* it:
"For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal,
sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I
would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do
that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that
dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,)
dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how
to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I
would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it,
but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I
would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law
of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members,
warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into
captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the
body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So
then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the
flesh the law of sin.
Romans 7:14-25 KJV
So can we live any way we want once saved? Those who are really
saved will not - it will be their hearts desire to obey God to
the fullest. Those who take it as a liberty to sin all they want
are in all likelihood not saved at all in spite of claiming to be
(God knows for sure). Nevertheless, those who are truly children
of God will stumble at times to our intense displeasure, but we
will confess rather than try to hide it.
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and
the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to
forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar,
and his word is not in us.
My little children, these things write I unto you, that
ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the
Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1 John 1:8-2:1 KJV
John wrote that unto those who were saved so that they would not
sin. But if they sin, they have an advocate with the Father. If
we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, make Him a liar, and
His truth is not in us.
If a person believes they are saved by their good works, they
make the cross of Christ of none effect.
"For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made
void, and the promise made of none effect:
Romans 4:14 KJV
Repent and put all your trust in Jesus Christ, asking Him to save
you. The Holy Spirit will then be given unto you, sealing you
unto the day of salvation.
"That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first
trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard
the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also
after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of
promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the
redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his
glory.
Ephesians 1:12-14 KJV
"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are
sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour,
and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be
ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another,
even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Ephesians 4:30-32 KJV
All glory and honor to God the heavenly Father and His Son, Jesus
Christ! Obeying God out of love and obedience, not out of working
to earn our salvation, glorifying ourselves instead.
®
gabriel <gabriel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[]
> All glory and honor to God the heavenly Father and His Son, Jesus
> Christ! Obeying God out of love and obedience, not out of working
> to earn our salvation, glorifying ourselves instead.
Correct!
Donna Kupp
most of the time, I will start a new thread for my essays and answers
to questions and objections.
Hostile interference has made it difficult to find my posts. So for
anyone who is interested in what I have to say, I suggest that you
click on my profile next to my name; and then click on sorted by date.
You are also welcome to visit my journal here:
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and our website here:
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Donna Kupp
old man joe
>What does "saved" mean?
>
>"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be
>saved." Romans 10:13
>
>Does the word saved mean "receive eternal life"? That is the
>concept that is taught by Modern Christianity. Is it true?
>
>The word saved means "delivered or protect". Thayers lexicon
>gives this as the primary meaning: 1) to save, keep safe and sound,
>to rescue from danger or destruction.
>
>All men are condemned to death because all have sinned. But
>whosoever will call upon the name - the power and authority of
>Jesus will be rescued and delivered from the kingdom of Satan so
>they may repent and become the children of God.
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>To be saved is the first step in the process of salvation. Those who
>are saved do not have eternal life - but they can - if they will
>continue on to true repentance. That is why Paul wrote:
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" those who are saved do not have eternal life " is the concoction of all the cult
heretics in this world as they apply denominational tradition to the plain teaching of
Holy Scripture.
Jn. 6:47 for example... " Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath
everlasting life. " " hath " continuous present tense.
the cult heretics need a savior who does not give eternal life so that they can earn it
themselves.
furthermore, the Bible, the real Bible, not the one the cult heretics use, but the real
Bible, insist that a woman is not allowed to teach a man. yet, this poster thinks she is
doing God a favor by breaking His commandment as she knows full well there are men in this
newsgroup. no, men don't have read these posts, but what comes first ? a woman obeying
God not to try and teach men a gospel of co-redemtion or men reading what a woman
shouldn't post ?
::: Jesus is LORD :::
hi4t3t$qiv$1...@news.eternal-september.org
Nah, she is one of those in sheep clothes, just coming to devor whom she
can get.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
::: Jesus is LORD :::
rbydnd7Zhv7IOtrW...@giganews.com
> On Thu, 01/07/10, at 5:46:20PM,
> gabriel <gabriel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> []
>
>> All glory and honor to God the heavenly Father and His Son, Jesus
>> Christ! Obeying God out of love and obedience, not out of working
>> to earn our salvation, glorifying ourselves instead.
>
>
> Correct!
Amen!
::: Jesus is LORD :::
d6954cfd-5439-4299...@u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com
> Note: Disrespectful posts will no longer be answered directly;
Correct! So Donna and her husband Harold should not worry if nobody of
the Christians answer her directly.
duke
Guess again.
Matthew 16:26-27 (New International Version)
26What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his
soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? 27For the Son of Man is
going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward
each person according to what he has done.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Wild Bill
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:vmrjl5dftsvt72lv3...@4ax.com...
Both doctrines are in the Bible, and they conflict with one another. Gives a
great excuse for you Christians to squabble!
duke
The difference is that we Catholics follow the whole bible, and not just
selected parts.
Donna Kupp
> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:46:54 -0800, "Wild Bill" <bilsg...@daytonwa.net> wrote:
>
> >"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >news:vmrjl5dftsvt72lv3...@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:46:20 -0500, gabriel <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com>
Dear Reader,
I refer you to todays post: DUKE, IT IS TIME TO FISH OR CUT BAIT!
Donna Kupp
http://groups.google.com/group/Freetruth?hl=en,
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/show.php?i=630302&cat=0
The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.freetruth.info
duke
Where is this post? I don't see it in alt.bible.
Donna Kupp
Duke wrote:
> >> The difference is that we Catholics follow the whole bible, and not just
> >> selected parts.
Donna wrote:
> >I refer you to todays post: DUKE, IT IS TIME TO FISH OR CUT BAIT!
Duke asked:
> Where is this post? I don't see it in alt.bible.
Donna writes to Duke:
Here is a copy of the post that you are looking for:
DUKE, IT IS TIME TO FISH OR CUT BAIT!
Reference: Re: Salvation is not earned by works, and such beliefs
lead people to hell (was: "Saved") Jan 24, 2:48 PM
Duke wrote:
"The difference is that we Catholics follow the whole bible, and
not just selected parts."
Donna writes: That statement of yours is simply not true. Either
you are profoundly ignorant of the history of the Catholic Church --
or you are a blatant liar! You must renounce that statement, Duke,
or you will be loving a lie:
"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have
right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the
city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and
murderers, and idolaters, and WHOSOEVER LOVETH AND
MAKETH A LIE." Revelation 22:14-15
Here is historical proof that your above statement is a lie:
PROTESTANT VICTORY OVER TRADITION ALMOST WON
AT TRENT - BUT LOST, WHY?
"At the council of Trent, called by the Roman Church to deal
with questions arising out of the Reformation, it was at first an
apparent possibility that the Council would declare IN FAVOR
of the reformed doctrines instead of against them, so profound
was the impression made thus far by the teachings of Luther and
other reformers."
G. E Fifield, D.D.
Origin of Sunday as A Christian Festival
American Sabbath Tract Society,
Seventh Day Baptist Church.
The Pope's legate actually wrote to him that there was "strong
tendency to set aside tradition altogether, and to make the
Scriptures the SOLE STANDARD of appeal." The question was
debated day by day, until it was fairly brought to a standstill.
Finally, the Archbishop of Reggio TURNED THE COUNCIL
AGAINST the Reformation by the following argument:
"The Protestants CLAIM TO STAND UPON THE WRITTEN
WORD ONLY; they profess to hold the scriptures alone as the
standard of faith. They justify their revolt by the plea that
the
Church has apostatized from the written word and follows
tradition. Now the Protestant's claim that they stand upon the
written word alone is not true.
Their profession of holding the Scriptures alone as the
standard of faith is false. Proof: THE WRITTEN WORD
EXPLICITLY ENJOINS THE OBSERVANCE OF THE
SEVENTH DAY AS THE SABBATH. They DO NOT observe
the seventh day, but reject it. If they truly hold the
scriptures
alone as the standard, they would be observing the seventh day
as it is enjoined in the Scripture throughout.
Yet they not only reject the observance of the sabbath as
enjoined in the written word, but they have adopted, and do
practice, the observance of Sunday, for which they have
ONLY THE TRADITION OF THE CHURCH.
Consequently, the claim of scripture alone as the standard
fails
and the doctrine of 'Scripture and tradition as essential' is
fully
established, the Protestants themselves being Judges."
(See The Proceedings of the Council of Trent, Augsburg
Confession, and Encyclopedia Britannica, article
"Trent, Council of")
duke
>"The difference is that we Catholics follow the whole bible, and
>not just selected parts."
>Here is historical proof that your above statement is a lie:
DK, your way of posting left me totally confused. I have no idea what your
response is. So allow me to repeat what I said.
We Catholics follow all of scripture, which is the written word + that not
written down but still revealed by Jesus. John 21:25. It's to your declared
detriment that by following only the selected script, that you folks are lacking
is much of what Jesus said and did.
Bob Young
On 1/27/10 1:29 AM, in article
78377fbd-8a5e-4c41...@b10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com, "Donna
Kupp" <dk...@charter.net> wrote:
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander
each other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any
sort of agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the
head of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of
those it wins over to its side."
[R.J.Hoffmann]
Donna Kupp
most of the time, I will start a new thread for my essays and answers
to questions and objections.
Hostile interference has made it difficult to find my posts. So for
anyone who is interested in what I have to say, I suggest that you
click on my profile next to my name; and then click on sorted by date.
You are also welcome to visit my journal here:
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/show.php?i=630302&cat=0
and our website here:
The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.freetruth.info
Donna Kupp