Confounded be all they that serve graven images, that boast themselves of idols: worship Him, all ye gods. Ps. 97:7
old man joe
when taking a look at the heathen world of the East it is plain to see that the
denominations aligning themselves with Jesus Christ are no different in appearance and
substance... they must have graven images to feel they are complete and owned by their
gods.
the absence of the Life of Christ invokes a need in man to erect for himself all types of
gods to which he can pay homage, to which he can offer sacrifices of whatever sort he can
devise, to propitiate his sins unto them by obeying the creed his priests to these gods
teach is the correct approach.
devoid of the Life of God these make a pious display of reverence so as to be seen by
their faithful, wearing garments as colorful as their many doctrines... the more adornment
the more pious these try to appear so as to convince themselves and other's of their
affinity to the God of the living.
Christ Himself addresses this sort of show in the flesh when He says... " But they do all
their deeds to be noticed by men; for they broaden their phylacteries and lengthen the
tassels of their garments. " ( Mt. 23:5 ) the showery they can look to be the more proud
and righteous in heart they suppose themselves. these are certainly not humble; these are
hypocrites... an OT and NT word meaning an actor on a stage; a pretentious counterfeit; a
person who holds a bitterness towards the Living God.
and so it is as Christ levels many accusations against such. these types are the worst of
the worst... now it is, in our day, that the leader's of the many denominations mimic the
self-rightoues Pharisees in both form and substance. the Pharisees represented the
kingdom of God before the church began. not long after Pentecost, when the NT church
began, Christendom suffered the same shame.
the worst of the worst is unrivaled to the degree Roman Catholicism has debased
Christendom. these people will worship an outhouse if they thought Peter used it.
a Catholic TV priest recently said on the air that they, the Catholic's, are the only
one's truly loving and representing Christ... saying this as he stood in front of a statue
of Mary.
go to any Catholic Newsgroup and you will find no spiritually at all but worthless chatter
of the thing's of this world. Catholic's can not present the gospel except if it be by
the work's of man founded upon the tradition's of other Catholic's.
the many visits of Satan disguised as Mary that came through the centuries came to
Catholic's... never to the elect. anyone can search the Internet and read the exact words
Satan is recorded as saying to them... all of which direct people away from Christ and to
him, Satan.
one will find that Satan is actually offering salvation by his hand if people will but
worship him... all the while to the Catholic it is Mary appearing to them. they have no
discernment whatsoever because they not only are spiritually dead, but are also
" confounded " by God as they humble themselves before statues of plaster erected unto
their god, Mary. it is apparent in them that Satan get's the worship he wants.
these have re-worded the Bible in a number of places so as to rid themselves of God's
command not to make or keep graven images. they want Mary to be named Co-Redeemer. their
blasphemies are without end.
thanks be God in Christ that His elect are not deceived by other gods since His infilling
of and by the Holy Spirit directs with power those of His pasture away from the many gods
so worshiped by Catholicism.
duke
>a Catholic TV priest recently said on the air that they, the Catholic's, are the only
>one's truly loving and representing Christ... saying this as he stood in front of a statue
>of Mary.
And nobody, not so such as one single Catholic, worships a statue, and clearly
nobody worships Mary. But scripture does say she is MOther of God and Queen of
heaven.
Maybe you should learn what the bible says before you show your ignorance.
>go to any Catholic Newsgroup and you will find no spiritually at all but worthless chatter
>of the thing's of this world. Catholic's can not present the gospel except if it be by
>the work's of man founded upon the tradition's of other Catholic's.
All you protest_ants do is worship the Jewish Old Testament.
The Dukester, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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Michael James
They don't worship idols, they worship the Bible
pyotr filipivich
or about Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:10:38 -0800 (PST) did write/type or cause
to appear in alt.religion.christian.episcopal the following:
The difference is excruciatingly minor.
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pyotr filipivich
Monotheism, someone has said, offers two simple axioms:
1) There is a God.
2) It's not you.
~.^.Saba Gracile.^.~
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> skrev i melding
news:tviqf55hi7gtls905...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:52:55 -0500, old man joe <ne...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>a Catholic TV priest recently said on the air that they, the Catholic's,
>>are the only
>>one's truly loving and representing Christ... saying this as he stood in
>>front of a statue
>>of Mary.
>
> And nobody, not so such as one single Catholic, worships a statue, and
> clearly
> nobody worships Mary. But scripture does say she is MOther of God and
> Queen of
> heaven.
>
> Maybe you should learn what the bible says before you show your ignorance.
>
>>go to any Catholic Newsgroup and you will find no spiritually at all but
>>worthless chatter
>>of the thing's of this world. Catholic's can not present the gospel
>>except if it be by
>>the work's of man founded upon the tradition's of other Catholic's.
>
> All you protest_ants do is worship the Jewish Old Testament.
In all the big religions the simple Gospel is lost.
S
duke
wrote:
Says who? The RCC is heavy into both the NT and the 4 gospels with the Holy
Mass and the 7 sacraments as given by Christ.
pyotr filipivich
on or about Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:20:05 +0100 did write/type or cause to
appear in alt.religion.christian.episcopal the following:
>
Says who? The problem is that "the simple Gospel" is not
simplistic.
Nor did God send his Book.
pyotr
- .. -- Tim .-.
Correct, as are the Anglican catholics and the East Orthodox (well, I don't
know their position on the sacraments, probably the same?) Any how, that
means the VAST majority of Christians world-wide put the Gospels at the very
centre, far from "In all the big religions the simple Gospel is lost".
Tim.
Michael James
wrote:
> duke wrote:
> > On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:20:05 +0100, "~.^.Saba Gracile.^.~"
>
> >> "duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> skrev i melding
Tim I think it safe to say that some people put less emphasis on the
Gospels and focus on the writings of Paulwhich is coloured by his
upbringing and on the Old Testament. There is so much focus on the
of rules and regulations that were so important in the Hebrew civil
code a couple of millenia ago . Agape take second place to law and
order.
Michael James
> > On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:20:05 +0100, "~.^.Saba Gracile.^.~"
>
> >> "duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> skrev i melding
Tim , I think it safe to say that some people put less emphasis on
the
Gospels and focus on the writings of Paul which are coloured by his
upbringing and on the Old Testament. They focus on the
rules and regulations that were so important in the Hebrew civil
code a couple of millenia ago . Agape takes second place to law and
order.
- .. -- Tim .-.
Yes, this would be true of some people, but my point is that most Christians
world-wide put the Gospels at the centre. Those who follow 'Paulianity' are
therefore only fooling themselves if they think they represent the majority!
Tim.
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
> Those who follow 'Paulianity' are therefore only fooling themselves if
> they think they represent the majority!
We don't, Tim, we ultimately represent the Truth just as Paul did....for
those who are destined to be of the "Few saved" not the "Many called" who
will fail to give faithful obedience to either Christ's commands or
Apostolic teachings for the Gentiles.....just as we see in farcical
heretical churches of today.
Most haven't even grasped that they must be baptised after becoming a
believer, thus they are still in their sins from their ridicules unbiblical
'christening' to their hapless deaths.
__
Veff...
--
Disclaimer:
I am no man's personal enemy in merely secular matters.
But when they approach me on the premises of the Truth, then they are either
my friends or my foes, and I am theirs.
I am their friends for the Truth's sake, or I am their foe for the Truth's
sake.
Indeed, the most dangerous enemies to Christ are those who pretend to be his
friends,
but are not faithful to his doctrine or the doctrine of his ordained
Apostles.
duke
Absolutely. Some "Christians" prefer to worship the OT.
pyotr filipivich
<timr...@hotmail.co.uk> on or about Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:44:03 -0000
did write/type or cause to appear in alt.religion.christian.episcopal
the following:
>>>>> all but worthless chatter of the thing's of this world. Catholic's can
>>>>> not present the gospel except if it be by the work's of man founded
>>>>> upon the tradition's of other Catholic's.
>>>>
>>>> All you protest_ants do is worship the Jewish Old Testament.
>>>
>>> In all the big religions the simple Gospel is lost.
>>
>> Says who? The RCC is heavy into both the NT and the 4 gospels with
>> the Holy Mass and the 7 sacraments as given by Christ.
>
>Correct, as are the Anglican catholics and the East Orthodox (well, I don't
>know their position on the sacraments, probably the same?
Close but different. In the early Greek speaking church, there
were the Mysteries: baptism, communion, confession, anointing,
ordination, almsgiving, etc. In those activities we meet God, and
Things Happen, we are healed and transformed. How? If we knew what
and how, it wouldn't be a mystery?
When this "simple" understanding was translated into Latin, one
equivalent chosen was a legal term for a 'duty', from which we get
Sacrament. The Latin church, because of this slight difference, (and
a bunch of other issues which I'll skip over), eventually would define
the Seven Sacraments.
Meanwhile, the Orthodox continue with the concept of Holy
Mysteries, which include, but not are not limited to, what are called
Sacraments.
As for the Gospels, we tend to put that collection of the writings
in their own codex, and it stays on the Altar. Before there is a
reading from the scriptures, there is the admonition of "Wisdom! Let
us attend!" But before the reading of the Gospel it is "Wisdom! Stand
up, and hear the Holy Gospel." Stand up, and listen, this is
important.
> Any how, that
>means the VAST majority of Christians world-wide put the Gospels at the very
>centre, far from "In all the big religions the simple Gospel is lost".
I fear that the OP might have mistaken the mega churches for "big
religions" which lose the simple Gospel.
And the vast majority of Christians around the world are
liturgical, too.
pyotr filipivich
or about Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:13:40 -0800 (PST) did write/type or cause
to appear in alt.religion.christian.episcopal the following:
>Tim I think it safe to say that some people put less emphasis on the
>Gospels and focus on the writings of Paulwhich is coloured by his
>upbringing and on the Old Testament. There is so much focus on the
>of rules and regulations that were so important in the Hebrew civil
>code a couple of millenia ago . Agape take second place to law and
>order.
Hmmm. Must be a different Paul. The one I've been reading for
the last couple decades seems to be adamant that the Law is neither
sufficient nor necessary. That is to say, the keeping of the Law is
not sufficient for the Jew, nor is it necessary for the Gentile.
And it certainly seems that while Paul did not expect the Greeks
to keep the feasts and fasts of a Proper Torah Jew, he did his best to
follow the Law, and return to Jerusalem at the appointed times.
- .. -- Tim .-.
Thanks for that, very interesting! In our (Anglo-Catholic) church the Book
of the Gospels is processed to the Altar at the beginning of the service,
and remains there throughout, except when being read, so that approach seems
to be similar. The 'ordinary' scriptures are usually announced with
something like: "Let us hear God's word to us today in the Holy Scriptures".
The Gospel is announced with "Hear the Holy Gospel according to...", and the
response is 'Glory be to you, O Lord'.
Tim.
pyotr filipivich
The Gospel Book stays on the altar, but gets "processed" for the
little entrance. This is a hold over, I'm told, from the days when
the book, and the clergy, would process from their homes to the
church, with The Book.
> The 'ordinary' scriptures are usually announced with
>something like: "Let us hear God's word to us today in the Holy Scriptures".
>The Gospel is announced with "Hear the Holy Gospel according to...", and the
>response is 'Glory be to you, O Lord'.
As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be.
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