Prayer of St Francis (greatest Christian since the first century)
**Rowland Croucher**
Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace;
where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury, pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
and where there is sadness, joy.
O Divine Master,
grant that I may not so much seek to be
consoled as to console;
to be understood, as to understand;
to be loved, as to love;
for it is in giving that we receive,
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
and it is in dying that we are
born to Eternal Life.
Amen.
--
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>>October 4 - The Feast of St. Francis
>
>
> Re: "Prayer of St Francis (greatest Christian since the first
> century)"
>
> Oh, PLEASE! Anyone who bows his head and prays to Mary or Peter or
> anyone OTHER than God is hardly "the greatest Christian..."
>
> Next you'll be telling me that Sister Teresa (whom some blindly call
> "Mother" ) was a "great Christian."
They were great Christians.
You are a bitter old man who knows not the Spirit of Christ.
>
**Rowland Croucher**
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> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 08:51:32 +1100, **Rowland Croucher**
> <rccroucher@contactemailonwebsite> wrote:
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>
> Re: "Prayer of St Francis (greatest Christian since the first
> century)"
>
> Oh, PLEASE! Anyone who bows his head and prays to Mary or Peter or
> anyone OTHER than God is hardly "the greatest Christian..."
>
> Next you'll be telling me that Sister Teresa (whom some blindly call
> "Mother" ) was a "great Christian."
>
> DESPERATELY needed it?
>
> Sometimes, Rowland, you sound like a Roman Catholic or a pagan!
>
> Tolerance is one thing; tacit acceptance and APPROVAL of extreme
> wrong-doing (asceticism, and encouraging the forbidding of marriage)
> are not "Christian" on ANY level!!
>
>
>> Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace;
>> where there is hatred, let me sow love;
>> where there is injury, pardon;
>> where there is doubt, faith;
>> where there is despair, hope;
>> where there is darkness, light;
>> and where there is sadness, joy.
>>
>> O Divine Master,
>> grant that I may not so much seek to be
>> consoled as to console;
>> to be understood, as to understand;
>> to be loved, as to love;
>> for it is in giving that we receive,
>> it is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
>> and it is in dying that we are
>> born to Eternal Life.
>>
>> Amen.
PS. John: do you have any reaction to the prayer?
duke
>Re: "Prayer of St Francis (greatest Christian since the first
> century)"
> Oh, PLEASE! Anyone who bows his head and prays to Mary or Peter or
>anyone OTHER than God is hardly "the greatest Christian..."
> Next you'll be telling me that Sister Teresa (whom some blindly call
>"Mother" ) was a "great Christian."
Yes, jw. They are. Contrary to what your handlers tell you.
> how could that be, when she opposed birth control in a nation that
>DESPERATELY needed it?
Artificial birth control is anti-Christian.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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duke
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>>On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:32:37 -0700, john w <j<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Re: "Prayer of St Francis (greatest Christian since the first
>>> century)"
>>
>>> Oh, PLEASE! Anyone who bows his head and prays to Mary or Peter or
>>>anyone OTHER than God is hardly "the greatest Christian..."
>>> Next you'll be telling me that Sister Teresa (whom some blindly call
>>>"Mother" ) was a "great Christian."
>>
>>Yes, jw. They are. Contrary to what your handlers tell you.
>
> EArl, no one had to tell me that Teresa and Francis were pagans.
Then you are an idiot for failing to see them doing God's work. He made his
intentions well clear in the NT and in his Son's work.
> I figured that out pretty much on my own. Even Baptists and other
>evangelical Christians frequently frown when I point out that both
>were pagans.
They both were Christians on the order of Jesus Christ. But it's clear that
you don't understand the message coming from the Christ, so it's clear that you
would think them pagans.
zayton
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>>>>October 4 - The Feast of St. Francis
>>>
>>> RE:
>>>
>>> Re: "Prayer of St Francis (greatest Christian since the first
>>> century)"
>>>
>>> Oh, PLEASE! Anyone who bows his head and prays to Mary or Peter or
>>> anyone OTHER than God is hardly "the greatest Christian..."
>>>
>>> Next you'll be telling me that Sister Teresa (whom some blindly call
>>> "Mother" ) was a "great Christian."
>>
>>They were great Christians.
>
Medication not working?
>
> They were both PAGANS. They didn't worship God. They worshipped
> MEN. Both were Mary worshippers. Both were Peter worshippers.
Wrong on all counts.
(Francis wasn't even particularly venerating the see of Peter)
>
> God wasn't worthy of their worship; neither of them is worthy of
> mine.
They both dedicated their lives to God through Christ.
>
> And YOU, Zardoz, are an apostate.
Wrong on both counts
Zardoz is another poster.
I am Zayton.
Koine Greek for He who seeks, as in "He who seeks will find".
>
> And you never told me what seminary you POLLUTE with your apostate
> presence.
I haven't been present at my seminary for thirty years. bit it waa METHESCO.
>
> Paul said we are to confront false teaching wherever we find it.
"....whatsoever things are true,
whatsoever things are honest,
whatsoever things arer just,
whatsoever things are oure,
whatsoever things are lovely,
whatsoever things are of good report.
if there be any virtue and if there be any praise,
think on these things...."
>
> You are apostate; I confront you in His name.
Your appealing to Paul is apalling.
>
>
>
> john w
zayton
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>>
>>>Re: "Prayer of St Francis (greatest Christian since the first
>>> century)"
>>
>>> Oh, PLEASE! Anyone who bows his head and prays to Mary or Peter or
>>>anyone OTHER than God is hardly "the greatest Christian..."
>>> Next you'll be telling me that Sister Teresa (whom some blindly call
>>>"Mother" ) was a "great Christian."
>>
>>Yes, jw. They are. Contrary to what your handlers tell you.
>
>
> evangelical Christians frequently frown when I point out that both
> were pagans.
>
They are wondering how long you've been off your meds.
zayton
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> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:41:16 +1100, **Rowland Croucher**
>
> What do you think of Adolph Hitler? For all the negative said
> about him (please, people, get the IRONY here), he WAS responsible for
> the Autobahn, that superhighway that unites Europe, and the
> Volkswagen, which was the first (iirc) economy car.
>
> I don't believe one prayer redeems someone
> who otherwise prayed to Mary and Peter
> as if they were higher gods than Jesus Christ or His Father.
Since no one does that we have no problem.
bob young
"john w
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> >On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:32:37 -0700, john w <j<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Re: "Prayer of St Francis (greatest Christian since the first
> >> century)"
> >
> >> Oh, PLEASE! Anyone who bows his head and prays to Mary or Peter or
> >>anyone OTHER than God is hardly "the greatest Christian..."
> >> Next you'll be telling me that Sister Teresa (whom some blindly call
> >>"Mother" ) was a "great Christian."
> >
> >Yes, jw. They are. Contrary to what your handlers tell you.
>
> EArl, no one had to tell me that Teresa and Francis were pagans.
>
> I figured that out pretty much on my own. Even Baptists and other
> evangelical Christians frequently frown when I point out that both
> were pagans.
We were ALL pagans once
>
>
> john w
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typically really stupid stuff in order to draw people in for the attention
value.
duke
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>>>On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 06:53:48 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
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>>>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>>On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:32:37 -0700, john w <j<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Re: "Prayer of St Francis (greatest Christian since the first
>>>>> century)"
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, PLEASE! Anyone who bows his head and prays to Mary or Peter or
>>>>>anyone OTHER than God is hardly "the greatest Christian..."
>>>>> Next you'll be telling me that Sister Teresa (whom some blindly call
>>>>>"Mother" ) was a "great Christian."
>>>>
>>>>Yes, jw. They are. Contrary to what your handlers tell you.
>>>
>>> EArl, no one had to tell me that Teresa and Francis were pagans.
>>
>>Then you are an idiot for failing to see them doing God's work.
>
> You are the idiot for thinking they did God's work. They did
>Rome's work.
> There's a difference.
They did God's work. I suggest you buy a bible and read it, jw.
**Rowland Croucher**
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> passage that mentions "St Francis" by name.
>
> "And, lo, St Francis...."
>
> Give me the passage that names St Teresa, or hasn't she been made
> a saint yet?
And 'give me a passage' that mentions Sunday Schools...
duke
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> If they did God's work, and you're so sure of that, give me the
>passage that mentions "St Francis" by name.
>
> "And, lo, St Francis...."
>
> Give me the passage that names St Teresa, or hasn't she been made
>a saint yet?
That's what "St." means, jw, Saint Theresa.
And now you know why they are acknowledged as having done God's work.
Can you name a protest_ant saint, jw? St. luther, St. calvin, St. jw?????
bob young
**Rowland Croucher** wrote:
> October 4 - The Feast of St. Francis
>
> Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace;
> where there is hatred, let me sow love;
> where there is injury, pardon;
> where there is doubt, faith;
> where there is despair, hope;
> where there is darkness, light;
> and where there is sadness, joy.
>
> O Divine Master,
> grant that I may not so much seek to be
> consoled as to console;
> to be understood, as to understand;
> to be loved, as to love;
> for it is in giving that we receive,
> it is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
> and it is in dying that we are
> born to Eternal Life.
>
> Amen.
Great sentiments. Having read them and having looked at the
world around us, what better proof could there be for the non
existence of any gods than the prose above ! ?
Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist, Brit.
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor)
Man creates his gods in his own image;
and then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content.
bob young
duke wrote:
I propose that we make Duke a saint
for his untiring efforts propping up an old myth.
duke
>> Can you name a protest_ant saint, jw? St. luther, St. calvin, St. jw?????
>I propose that we make Duke a saint
>for his untiring efforts propping up an old myth.
Ok, you can't.
duke
>>>>They did God's work. I suggest you buy a bible and read it, jw.
>>> If they did God's work, and you're so sure of that, give me the
>>>passage that mentions "St Francis" by name.
>>> "And, lo, St Francis...."
>>> Give me the passage that names St Teresa, or hasn't she been made
>>>a saint yet?
>
>>That's what "St." means, jw, Saint Theresa.
> You missed it. Give me the passage that names Teresa as a "saint."
>And the one that names Francis of Assisi as a "saint."
The Holy Spirit, our Teacher and Counselor, revealed it.
>>And now you know why they are acknowledged as having done God's work.
> pfffffffffffffffffffffffft!!
Can you name any baptist saints, jw?
>>Can you name a protest_ant saint, jw? St. luther, St. calvin, St. jw?????
> All born again Christians are "saints."
Yet if they continue to sin, the only thing left for them are the fires of hell.
Heb 10.
> I'm a saint. Carl McCaskey is a saint.
But will God call you a saint?
duke
>>And 'give me a passage' that mentions Sunday Schools...
> I don't worship Sunday School.
And Catholics don't worship St Theresa or
> Roman Catholics worship "saints". Peter, Mary, Sister Teresa (I
>refuse to call her "mother", and I've recently been reading one of her
>books that I found truly DISGUSTING.
That's because you don't listen to Jesus.
> [Sister Teresa ended the story saying "Thanks be to God."
> Rubbish! Scripture tells us we are subject to the local authorities!
We real Christians are subject to God.
> She showed ARROGANCE and indifference toward the safety of her host
>country!
> I don't call that "Christianity."
> Roman Catholics worship Francis of Assisis.
> I worship ONLY God.
> Nor do I give quarter to Satan and paganism, like some (you) do.
You rejects the words of Christ.
bob young
duke wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2008 05:39:01 -0500, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
> >> Can you name a protest_ant saint, jw? St. luther, St. calvin, St. jw?????
>
> >I propose that we make Duke a saint
> >for his untiring efforts propping up an old myth.
>
> Ok, you can't.
'Saint Dook - The Patron Saint of Propping up'
There - just did it.
It was as easy as that primitive desert dweller making up a god story that you
grovel over in 2008 !
Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist, Brit.
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor)
Man creates his gods in his own image;
and then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content.
>
>
duke
>>And Catholics don't worship St Theresa or
> The FACT that you feel COMPELLED to create / "canonize" "saints" on
>a regular basis means that you don't have enough gods, and you have to
>keep inventing new gods.
Your demand for demonstrating your inability to follow what others say is not
good for you, jw. You simply can't a) recognize that we don't worship saints
and thence they are not god, and b) the Holy Spirit reveals those people who
live exemplary lives in the pursuit of following Christ in service to others.
> You have gods, you pray to them; prayer is an act of worship.
Nope, prayer is not an act of worship. It's is an act of praise and petition. I
suggest you read a prayer you're unfamiliar with, the Lord's Prayer, and note
the pattern of 1) praise and then 2) petition.
> You
>erect statues ("idols") to them;
Nope, they are not idols as they are not worshipped, just as a photo of a
deceased loved one is not worshipped .
> all those activities are acts of
>WORSHIP. By whatever name you choose to re-label it.
There you go - you don't even know what worship is - your words.
> And I didn't expect you to ADMIT "saint worship." But you do it.
We don't. No saint can do anything but petition Jesus is our behalf. For
Jesus, which you clearly didn't know, is the only way to the Father.
>You have this false notion that if you re-label "worship" and call it
>"veneration", it's ok. It's not ok.
Worship and veneration are two entirely different things. We venerate the
saints and the cross.
Main Entry:venŁerŁate
1 : to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference
2 : to honor (as an icon or a relic) with a ritual act of devotion
See, jw, no worship. You yourself venerate a cross when you wear it on a chain
around your neck. And your bible.
Or, are you trying to tell me that you do worship the cross and your bible?
>> That's because you don't listen to Jesus.
> Don't speak for me. I worship God; I don't worship people.
Personally, I think you worship your bible.
>>> [Sister Teresa ended the story saying "Thanks be to God."
>>> Rubbish! Scripture tells us we are subject to the local authorities!
>>We real Christians are subject to God.
> I subject myself to God; I don't obey ROME.
God put Rome in charge of his Church on earth.
>>You rejects the words of Christ.
> You are a liar. What words of Christ do I reject?
The Holy Mass, 7 sacraments, and the papacy. These are all clearly specified in
the New Testament and part of the new covenant.
duke
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>>On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:58:05 -0700, john w <j<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>They did God's work. I suggest you buy a bible and read it, jw.
>>>>> If they did God's work, and you're so sure of that, give me the
>>>>>passage that mentions "St Francis" by name.
>>>>> "And, lo, St Francis...."
>>
>>>>> Give me the passage that names St Teresa, or hasn't she been made
>>>>>a saint yet?
>>>
>>>>That's what "St." means, jw, Saint Theresa.
>>
>>> You missed it. Give me the passage that names Teresa as a "saint."
>>>And the one that names Francis of Assisi as a "saint."
>>The Holy Spirit, our Teacher and Counselor, revealed it.
> You are a liar and a dupe. Nothing the Holy Spirit "reveals" can
>contradict the Bible. Making "saints" of people, and worshipping
>them-- Mary, Peter, Francis, Dominic, Teresa--
> is contradictory to Galatians 1 and other passages.
But you lack the intelligence to know that we don't worship these people.
>>>>And now you know why they are acknowledged as having done God's work.
>>> pfffffffffffffffffffffffft!!
>>Can you name any baptist saints, jw?
Of course you can't. You don't listen to the Holy Spirit.
>>>>Can you name a protest_ant saint, jw? St. luther, St. calvin, St. jw?????
>>> All born again Christians are "saints."
>>Yet if they continue to sin, the only thing left for them are the fires of hell.
>>Heb 10.
> AGAIN, you don't know what you're talking about. You are a dupe of
>Rome.
We follow Holy Script, jw.
>>> I'm a saint. Carl McCaskey is a saint.
>>But will God call you a saint?
> Yes.
You reject the teachings of Christ and the guidance and counsel of the Holy
Spirit. Want to change your answer?