Still need help to Identify drawing. any ideas gratefully recieved no matter how wild.
Dharmapala
One of the problems people encounter when attempting to hook up with
Dharma, especially the Tibetan variety, is the wide variety of New Age and
turn of the century Spiritualist material that was supposedly channeled from
Himalayan masters. Most of the older and recent material coming from
channeled sources is VERY DUBIOUS at best. My Teacher, HH Kusum Lingpa, is
very much opposed to the use of any New Age shamanism or other such stuff in
conjunction with the Tibetan Buddhist path, which is entirely complete in
and of itself, requiring no additional embellishments. One student once
asked him about combining TB practice with Kabbalistic practice, and he
frowned telling the student that if one combines bits and pieces of various
paths in order to custom tailor a spiritual practice, the only thing they
are really accomplishing is the making of soup.
As a spiritual friend, I would strongly admonish you to put down any
other paths/practices, and let Dharma practice do the job, that is, if you
are truly serious. Many Westerners are really just shopping around, much to
the ongoing dismay of the precious Lamas who so compassionately and kindly
have brought the practice to the West
"wil" <w1...@NOSPAMgoplay.com> wrote in message
news:38872726...@news.cwcom.net...
> I was recently given a drawing of a spiritual guide.
> the man is tibetan and is most definitly a priest/ monk . but i dont
> remember his name or anything else as yet.
> his face is very familiar but i know that that is from past life
> memory.
> I will remember his name when the time is right but i was thinking
> maybe i could find out via the internet.
> I think that if I could find some old paintings or drawings of old
> masters etc i would recognise him straight away.
> it seems he was a head monk/priest somewhere and i knew him in a
> previous live when i was japanese and met him either in Tibet or
> Japan.
>
> This could be considered lazy but its more out of respect that i want
> to remember his name. If this man is helping me then its the least I
> can do is call him by his name.
>
> Any help no matter how seemingly trivial is appreciated.
> wild suggestions are welcomed
> A dead end is one less avenue to explore.
>
> Tibet will be free
> Will
>
soma junkie
>
> Hi Wil,
> One of the problems people encounter when attempting to hook up with
> Dharma, especially the Tibetan variety, is the wide variety of New Age and
> turn of the century Spiritualist material that was supposedly channeled from
> Himalayan masters. Most of the older and recent material coming from
> channeled sources is VERY DUBIOUS at best. My Teacher, HH Kusum Lingpa, is
> very much opposed to the use of any New Age shamanism or other such stuff in
> conjunction with the Tibetan Buddhist path, which is entirely complete in
> and of itself, requiring no additional embellishments. One student once
> asked him about combining TB practice with Kabbalistic practice, and he
> frowned telling the student that if one combines bits and pieces of various
> paths in order to custom tailor a spiritual practice, the only thing they
> are really accomplishing is the making of soup.
All religion is soup. It could be said that Buddhism is a soup of
Hinduism and Taoism, could it not?
Maybe the combining of Tibetan Buddhism with Kabbalah is just a new
flavor of soup, one that HH Kusum hasn't tasted yet.
Just a thought.
Brian
/(o\
\o)/
Terry Marshall
the Dead" Sort of like a who's who in martyrdom
Richard Gere, Steven Segal and all those bad actors and actresses can get a
new career going. Is Fred Rogers Buddhist or does he just act that way?
Follow the leader don't let him die! He's not in Northern India right now
because he's in the Bahamas for a little sun and fun before he goes on his
speaking tour. Sixteen cities in twenty nights. That out to get it done. Top
that young lama! or anyone else that follows you. Gets me how these guys can
fly the coop but the poor have to stay behind and suffer at the hands of the
communists.
Not very heroic for a coward that defies the very essence of his teaching.
Abandon suffering! Tell that to the Tibetans that were tortured Dalai.
Should have been the venerable master who can shuck off suffering with a
wave of the hand. No its the poor that suffer as always with any religion
but I'm sure we can make up reasons for that. After all we intellectualize
instead of being moral.
Like say it the way you like it dude. Dalai Lama you are a coward to your
people and they will start to worship Mao pretty soon if you don't get back
home Jo Jo.
news.tvd.be
I agree that syncretism (mixing all religions) is not a good thing. If you
mix different languages together
you lose the meaning and the sense.
Kind greetings from Belgium
Bruno
Dharmapala a écrit dans le message
<85rifv$a37$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>...
>Hi Wil,
> One of the problems people encounter when attempting to hook up with
>Dharma, especially the Tibetan variety, is the wide variety of New Age and
>turn of the century Spiritualist material that was supposedly channeled
from
>Himalayan masters. Most of the older and recent material coming from
>channeled sources is VERY DUBIOUS at best. My Teacher, HH Kusum Lingpa, is
>very much opposed to the use of any New Age shamanism or other such stuff
in
>conjunction with the Tibetan Buddhist path, which is entirely complete in
>and of itself, requiring no additional embellishments. One student once
>asked him about combining TB practice with Kabbalistic practice, and he
>frowned telling the student that if one combines bits and pieces of various
>paths in order to custom tailor a spiritual practice, the only thing they
>are really accomplishing is the making of soup.
Dharmapala
Everybody feels that its tragic that anyone has to withstand the
Chinese at their oppressive best. My personal feeling is that the UN ought
to stand up to the Chinese and back them right out of there, but thats most
unlikely and would require a level of force that would REALLY increase the
suffering(nuclear).
It was predicted ~1000 years ago by Guru Rinpoche that the Dharma of
Tibet would come to the West. Given the circumstances, its the best thing
all around. According to my Teacher, even some of the Dharma protectors are
leaving Tibet and moving to the West. When flying over one of the major
mountains in California (probably Shasta), he stated that he saw a major
protector (whose name evades me) down below who had taken up residence
there.
"Terry Marshall" <ter...@intergate.bc.ca> wrote in message
news:s83iiki...@corp.supernews.com...
Dharmapala
Another point that HHKL once made around combining practices to suit
one's own tastes, and I agree with, is that there is a certain arrogance and
pride associated with the presumption that one has superior knowledge over
centuries of profound practitioners with regard to what constitutes
spiritual practice. Also, the combining of practices can actually be
dangerous, as the forces being brought about by one path may not necessarily
harmonize with those from another path. I once attended a Soul Retrieval
Seminar featuring a well-known Siberian Shamaness, at the behest of a new
Sangha member, who was in earnest trying to convince me of the efficacy of
the practice in conjunction with TB. I felt I needed to attend it with an
open mind, so I went and participated. During a part of the ceremony the
woman was in trance, and asked that people send forth efforts to cleanse the
environment. Having asked, I began to repeat the mantra of Vajrapani, a
practice I have a particular affinity with. Over the next hour of the
woman's trance, she seemed to be experiencing some sort of epic event. I
kept repeating the mantra thruout. At one point, the event was stopped, and
the translator announced that the shamaness had said that someone had
brought other sprits with them, and that they were blocking her ability to
conduct the ceremony. Eeryone was asked to take her shaman's belt and do a
little dance turn with it, so I complied and did so. She went back in to
trance, but to no avail. She was shreiking, banging her drum, but ultimately
came out of trance and the translation of the events that had taken place
began.
the translator stated that during her vision, a new and shimmering
path/road appeared in front of her, one that she had not seen before, and
she was quite taken with it. Not long after, the shamaness saw someone
coming down the path, and exclaimed "Oh My, Here comes the Great Shining
Blue One!". The Blue one was accompanied by an entourage of spirits. At that
point she became frightened and began to take runs at the the Blue One,
banging her drum and shrieking in an attempt to run them all off. According
to her, the entourage would not let her reach the Blue One, but would gently
push her back every time she tried. According to her, ancestral spirits of
her tradition came to her aid, older and more powerful ones than she had
ever summoned before, she stated, some being 10,000 plus years old by her
measure. Still, nothing could be done to run off the Blue One. At that
point, she had come out of the trance, having completely abandoned any
further efforts to perform the Soul Retrieval that afternoon. The Blue One
was blamed for having caused this, and at that point I silently withdrew as
the crowd was getting ugly and suspecting me of being the one who brought
the "bad guys" with him.
What do I make of all this? Pretty much what I already stated.
Practices are not necessarily complementary. If the woman had known about
Vajrapani, would her reaction to His presence been different? Possibly, but
that doesn't explain the older ancestral spirits coming to do battle. My
take is stick to Dharma,as it is a well established path with the pitfalls
already removed.
. One student once
> > asked him about combining TB practice with Kabbalistic practice, and he
> > frowned telling the student that if one combines bits and pieces of
various
> > paths in order to custom tailor a spiritual practice, the only thing
they
> > are really accomplishing is the making of soup.
>
>
J. Wagner Browy
It really isn't good to mix up the practices in the beginning. Yet I am not
really sure if you are doing this from your own post. You sound as if you know
little about Tibetan Buddhism, but you could have simply been trying to keep
your post short. Something I should learn.
If you mean by 'a spiritual guide' a channeled entity, take it with a grain
of salt but don't discount it complete. If this 'spiritual guide' is more like
a New Age psychic/healer make sure you, for yourself, can trust this person.
If you are not a practicing Buddhist, perhaps this entity/person/spiritual
guide is seeing a potential that you have not. Perhaps you are to become a
practicing Buddhist and they see that. Then take that picture and become one.
Go and find your teacher.
Until you find that teacher it is all up to you. You are on your own. You
can make all the soup you want. In fact, soup is very good for you, so make
good soup with the best ingredients. Take on whatever practices that lead you
to the truth sincerly.
Long before I became a practicing Buddhist, I was a Christian, an Agnostic, a
Dreamer, a Wiccian, a Solitary Mystic, a Crazy Person and a nothing at all.
This of course is only looking at "my" metaphysical side. Only now after being
a Buddhist for the past 15 years or so, can I see that it all makes sense. The
purpose of my life, as well as, the pattern of my living are clearly seen. At
lest it is clearer.
There was a natural progression, an evolution in spiritual development. I
was raised a Christian, step-father was a Priest. From Episcopalian to
Agnostic was a natural move, just by growing up. It was a good foundation.
Each of the next stages/archetypes grew naturally out of the preceeding
stage/archetype. Everything I had learned in my life, all of what I had
become, was needed when I finally became a Buddhist. Though it was more of a
realizing that I was a Buddhist. I had to go through all of it to prepare "me"
for Buddhism and so I would/could understand Buddhist thought and Buddhist
practice once I was properly introduced to it. Remove any stage/archetype and
development would have stopped there.
Once you have found your teacher check him or her out, until you are happy
that he or she IS your teacher. Once you have real faith with that teacher, as
your teacher, listen to what they say, and do the practices they tell you to
do. Ask a lot of questions and put their wisdom to work in your own life.
When you find your "Tibetan" teacher they will show you how to make a feast
that will deeply nourish you. No need to make soup anymore. You will be
making greater, more nourishing meals then. : )
Long years ago a psychic/Christian /medium told me very directly, "You would
be happier in robes. You should go join a Brotherhood and learn what you are
here for." I was a teenager, there were 'girls' and I was a dancer. The idea
of going to a monastary rather than going to NY city to be an actor didn't have
a strong pull at the time. Even though I do think she was right, now; then I
thought she was just strange.
About 20 years ago another psychic, this one a New Ager, told me that she
'sees' me in robes. "Saffron robes and I think that means Buddhist"
Spontaniously I replied to her, "That has already happened, a long time ago."
It just 'came out.' As if I already knew such a thing and knew it better then
she did. One of those things you just know. Even though you would find it
difficult to explain.
At the time I was already a Buddhist, I just had not 'awakened' to that fact.
: ) And I wasn't "into" the New Age idea of reincarnation. I am still not,
"into" that.
Neither time was money exchanged. Money was never brought up. I learned
later that one never accepted money and the other followed some very strong
rules. Being a minor at the time, she could not accept money from me. So they
weren't in it for greed, at lest.
For most of my adult life I have had the recurring dreams of entering a
monastary and/or returning to school. Basically they are the same kind of
dream, there is a common theme, but each dream has its own qualities and its
own direct meaning.
There are always monks or nuns or both. Sometimes appearent, sometimes hidden.
Nearly every traditional form of a 'spiritual' practitioner has made a cameo
somewhen/where in my dreams. Also many traditions that I have never 'seen' the
form of in human society.
Maybe I would be happier in robes and those psychics and my dreams were/are
really telling me something. I know I am happier now as a Buddhist. I knew
when I formally took my Refuge Vows that I had found home. My awakened faith
in the path has only grown stronger since then. I don't have to make soup
anymore. And perhaps that is all that matters. Go. Go find your teacher and
learn how to 'really' cook.
Pema Doru (Jeff)
In article <85rifv$a37$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>, "Dharmapala"
<dharm...@mindspring.com> writes:
>From: "Dharmapala" <dharm...@mindspring.com>
>Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:46:52 -0800
>
>Hi Wil,
> One of the problems people encounter when attempting to hook up with
>Dharma, especially the Tibetan variety, is the wide variety of New Age and
>turn of the century Spiritualist material that was supposedly channeled from
>Himalayan masters. Most of the older and recent material coming from
>channeled sources is VERY DUBIOUS at best. My Teacher, HH Kusum Lingpa, is
>very much opposed to the use of any New Age shamanism or other such stuff in
>conjunction with the Tibetan Buddhist path, which is entirely complete in
>and of itself, requiring no additional embellishments. One student once
>asked him about combining TB practice with Kabbalistic practice, and he
>frowned telling the student that if one combines bits and pieces of various
>paths in order to custom tailor a spiritual practice, the only thing they
>are really accomplishing is the making of soup.
Rest in a sky-like mind.
Sit like a mountain floating on the earth.
Breath like the wind circling the world.
Theravad
<betr...@earthlink.net> writes:
>All religion is soup. It could be said that Buddhism is a soup of
>Hinduism and Taoism, could it not?
No.
Henrik Ræder Clausen
Well, it could be _said_, but it would be false.
Hinduism, OTOH, is a soup of Buddhism, ancient stuff, and probably
some Tao as well :)
-Henrik
dharmapala
too much soup lately....
"soma junkie" <betr...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3883D8A8...@earthlink.net...
> >
> Well, I'm not an expert on Buddhism, I am a lay man (read: Lame Man) so
> maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought Buddha was raised as a Hindu in
> India....How could Buddhism be older than Hinduism? I don't get it.
>
> bRiaN
> /(o\
> \o)/
soma junkie
Well, I'm not an expert on Buddhism, I am a lay man (read: Lame Man) so
ther...@my-deja.com
them right either. i think the view is based on sloppy scholarship. The
Buddha was not born in India, not even in the expanded modern India. he
was born and raised in Nepal. he never heard of Hinduism because the
word had not yet been coined. It was coined by the Moslem invaders
(c.711 AD)so the Buddha's hearing would have had to be spectacular for
him to have heard it in 543 BC.
Don't take my word for anything, check it out for yourself if you are
interested but time spent on the Buddhadhamm would be more wisely
invested.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
David Salo
> In article <3883D8A8...@earthlink.net>,
> soma junkie <betr...@earthlink.net> wrote: [...]
> > maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought Buddha was raised as a Hindu in
> > India....How could Buddhism be older than Hinduism? I don't get it.
> >
> Most experts on Buddhism would agree with you but that doesn't make
> them right either. i think the view is based on sloppy scholarship. The
> Buddha was not born in India, not even in the expanded modern India. he
> was born and raised in Nepal. he never heard of Hinduism because the
> word had not yet been coined. It was coined by the Moslem invaders
> (c.711 AD)so the Buddha's hearing would have had to be spectacular for
> him to have heard it in 543 BC.
To be more precise, Shakyamuni Buddha was not born in Nepal either,
because no such state as the Kingdom of Nepal existed in either 543 or 563
or 463 BCE (or whatever date you prefer). He was (possibly, even probably)
born in a spot which, by the whim of the British boundary-designers,
happens to lie just north of the present-day border between Nepal and
India. At various times in the past, this spot has lain within the
boundaries of several large states in the Indian subcontinent which
historians are pleased to call "India". In Shakyamuni Buddha's time, this
spot was part of the property of the Shakya tribe (or clan, or family, or
nation, whatever you prefer) on the borders of the kingdom of Kosala.
Shakyamuni is recorded to have spent most of his time in the kingdoms of
Kosala and Magadha, or in smaller city-states and nations immediately
adjoining these two states. Shravasti and Rajagrha, where so many of the
sutras were spoken, were the principal cities of these kingdoms.
At this time the common religion of the Indic-speaking northern
regions was certainly a Vedic religion, but it was not identical to the
modern Vedic religions called "Hinduism". For instance, in this ancient
religion, the primary gods were Brahma and Indra; in modern Hinduism, the
principal gods are Vishnu and Shiva. In the ancient religion sacrifice of
animals, including cows, was common; in the modern religion, the cow is
sacred.
The ancient Vedism is certainly the major antecedent of modern
Hinduism, but modern Hinduism has borrowed elements from other religions,
including Buddhism, while different stages of Buddhism show the results of
contact with both the older religion and later forms, closer to modern
Hinduism. Religious history is rarely simple, and the relations between
Buddhism and the Vedic religions of India certainly are not, as both
coexisted for well over a thousand years, changing from their older forms
as a result of both internal dynamics and external influences.
Kazzamil
Buddha Shakyamuni emanated as a Supreme Emanation Body in this world system to
benefit sentient beings, having attained enlightenment many aeons before in the
Pure Land known as "Adorned with Peace and Flowers." That kind of loosens up
our concept of "what came first" doesn't it.
(Source: Heart of Wisdom by Geshe Kelsang Gyatso)