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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Apr 13, 2012, 5:19:44 PM4/13/12
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The Wise Man would make sure they all got lifeboats before sailing.
That's why I emphasize PREVENTION, which could save many lives
everyday. Actually it may even save the planet and all its passengers,
if we consider that we are also sinking.

And there's also the fact that people should use time in church in
more important pursuits:

"Many people were confused about where they should go after the order
to launch the lifeboats had been given. There should have been a
lifeboat drill on 14th April, but the Captain cancelled it to allow
people to go to church."

http://historyonthenet.com/Titanic/lifeboats.htm

Stupidity is not rewarded in the jungle. But that's only my humble
opinion.

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mind

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Apr 13, 2012, 7:34:48 PM4/13/12
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TibetanMonkey wrote:

>The Wise Man would make sure they all got lifeboats before sailing.

The Wise Man did not get on the ship.

>That's why I emphasize PREVENTION, which could save many lives
>everyday. Actually it may even save the planet and all its passengers,
>if we consider that we are also sinking.

With ships arise ship problems.
There is little to be done about the Red Giant
which will consume the planet. To try and save it
may well entail you have lost something to begin with.

>And there's also the fact that people should use time in church in
>more important pursuits:

There is more to pursue in life
that the perpetuation of your life.

>Stupidity is not rewarded in the jungle. But that's only my humble
>opinion.

Stupidity noted.
Fortunately, you are not in a jungle.
You are in a bamboo grove.

You may think the grove itself
is in a jungle. And there can be a truth
in such a thought.

The jungle, likewise, can be thought
of as being on a huge ball of sorts.
Or as being on a pale blue dot.

In empty space.

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Apr 13, 2012, 8:55:29 PM4/13/12
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On Apr 13, 7:53 pm, obverse s...@sea.net wrote:
> mind wrote:
> > TibetanMonkey wrote:
>
> >>The Wise Man would make sure they all got lifeboats before sailing.
>
> >The Wise Man did not get on the ship.
>
> Some people continue to get on the ship
> even though it sank long ago.
>
> >>That's why I emphasize PREVENTION, which could save many lives
> >>everyday. Actually it may even save the planet and all its passengers,
> >>if we consider that we are also sinking.
>
> All who are alive today
> will quite likely not be
> in less than a few
> hundred years.
>
> >With ships arise ship problems.
>
> With life arises death.
>
> >There is little to be done about the Red Giant
> >which will consume the planet. To try and save it
> >may well entail you have lost something to begin with.
>
> Probably a sense of his nonsense.
>
> >>And there's also the fact that people should use time in church in
> >>more important pursuits:
>
> >There is more to pursue in life
> >that the perpetuation of your life.
>
> The perpetuation of life only postpones death.
> Some cling more than others.
>
> Fear of letting go
> keeps them trapped
> on their merry rounds
> of not so merry.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>Stupidity is not rewarded in the jungle. But that's only my humble
> >>opinion.
>
> >Stupidity noted.
> >Fortunately, you are not in a jungle.
> >You are in a bamboo grove.
>
> >You may think the grove itself
> >is in a jungle. And there can be a truth
> >in such a thought.
>
> >The jungle, likewise, can be thought
> >of as being on a huge ball of sorts.
> >Or as being on a pale blue dot.
>
> >In empty space.
>
> Taking what is empty for granted
> it is ignored as being unimportant.
>
> Thinking the sinking of a ship important
> an ocean of potentiality goes unnoticed.
>
> Some enter a ship
> without knowing of the sea.
>
> Floating upon only the surface,
> their depth reaches only a scratch.
>
> As if having a perpetual itch,
> unable to reach the source,
> they are, as it were, a monkey.

I thought you would use your most powerful weapon: PRAYERS.

Let's see what the Christians would have done. Probably they pray too.
And they are very effective with it:

KNOW YOUR WEAPON

When the HOLY SPIRIT inspired Paul to describe our heavenly armor, he
listed only one common weapon--the Sword, identified as the Word of
GOD. Other defensive means are revealed as well, but they are all
dependent on the Word, and the fellowship we have with our Commander,
for their power and effectiveness.

Every soldier, from the least to the greatest in the armed forces of
the world, knows the following three facts can mean the difference
between staying alive or being killed. The first is "Know your
weapon"; the second, "Know how to keep your weapon in tip-top
condition", and the third, "Know how to use your weapon." If any of
these are ignored or neglected, the soldier's life, and possibly other
lives as well, will be at risk

These three facts apply to Prayer Warriors even more so, for not only
is the physical life of a prayer burden at risk, but the spiritual and
eternal are as well. The only way we can prevent loss of any kind is
to saturate ourselves in GOD's Word.

http://www.armed-prayer.org/know_weapon.htm

mind

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Apr 14, 2012, 9:50:16 AM4/14/12
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TibetanMonkey wrote:

>> >>The Wise Man would make sure they all got lifeboats before sailing.
>
>I thought you would use your most powerful weapon: PRAYERS.

I'm not sure why you would need a weapon.

Prayers might work.
Buddhists might pray.
Do monkeys pray?

In a prayer,
there is often included a caveat.
Something along the lines of letting go.

You, for instance, want whatever you want.
So you fling your wants as you fling them.

Letting go of them,
you might find something remains of them,
on your hands, in your mind, etc.

Can you wash it off?
Do you stink of Zen?

Are you sinking all the time?
Have you found a lifeboat?

Will you be consumed
by the Red Giant before your time?

Prayer might help you
to leave Earth before your star, the Sun,
gobbles up your planet.

In more ways than one.

You might give it a try.

To reduce your ego.

To help you let go.

Having let go,
will you take it back?

Do your desires
keep you on fire?

Do you like being on fire?

Christians might be on fire.

Taoists might lean toward water
as a metaphor, in their paradigm.

Buddhists might begin with noble
truths, and a noble path to go forth.

Some might be dyslexic
and think to go forth on the fourth
truth of an eight-fold path is to froth.

Perhaps you are a Christian, on fire,
who thinks he is a Tibetan, living in Florida.

Do you ever extinguish any fires?
Do the coals remain?
In your mind?

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Apr 14, 2012, 1:25:15 PM4/14/12
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On Apr 14, 11:42 am, The old Google Groups will be going away soon
<kink...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Pull down your pants, bend over, and kiss your shit-encrusted ass
> goodbye!"
>
> -- Buddhist Butt Boinker

It sure sounds like a romantic way to leave this cruel world. I
thought the Buddhists would use their power of prayer, but that seems
to have its limitations as you may see in this exciting story:

This Christian went to Africa on a missionary trip and found a lion
along the way. The lion quickly took notice and charged at him. But
the Christian was firm in his conviction of the power of prayer and
went on his knees to pray. In effect, the lion stopped a few feet away
from him and said, "Thank you, Jesus, for providing me with this
dinner!"

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Apr 18, 2012, 11:19:51 AM4/18/12
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On Apr 17, 8:27 pm, <pastorgreg...@lanaifaith.com> wrote:
> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in messagenews:adf4e43d-07ba-4684...@x17g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>
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> > The Wise Man would make sure they all got lifeboats before sailing.
> > That's why I emphasize PREVENTION, which could save many lives
> > everyday. Actually it may even save the planet and all its passengers,
> > if we consider that we are also sinking.
>
> > And there's also the fact that people should use time in church in
> > more important pursuits:
>
> > "Many people were confused about where they should go after the order
> > to launch the lifeboats had been given. There should have been a
> > lifeboat drill on 14th April, but the Captain cancelled it to allow
> > people to go to church."
>
> >http://historyonthenet.com/Titanic/lifeboats.htm
>
> > Stupidity is not rewarded in the jungle. But that's only my humble
> > opinion.
>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> I watched the titanic(1958) and also a documentary(recent), which pointed
> out historically, survival between the classes which were 1st, 2nd, 3rd.
> Watching the movie which was based on the book "A Night To Remember", showed
> that 1st class were hurried into boats, 2nd and 3rd class were unawares. As
> I recall 3rd class were held below decks until most boats lowered into the
> water. Now from what I remember in that documentary, between 2nd and 3rd
> class, more 2nd class died than 3rd class (percentage wise). Between the
> classes, 1st class had the highest percentage of survivors, 3rd class 2nd
> highest, and 2nd class more died than the other classes. Reasoning that 1st
> class had money and influence, 3rd class had strength and resourcefulness,
> whereas 2nd class died in the chilly waters because they neither had money
> and influence(1st class), and were not as strong and resourceful as 3rd
> class. Of those plucked from the water alive only 6 lived(of any and all
> classes).
> And in the case of the ship the Californian, it is believed to be much
> further away than 10 miles. The fact that both boats could see their mast
> heads is due to a phenomenon that bent the light around the circumference of
> the horizon (a cold mirage) where cold air bent light downward. For whatever
> unexplainable reason the Californian did not aid in the rescue to Titanic.
> But the question begs an answer, what would the christians advise the
> passengers of the sinking Titanic?
> The subject line of the newsgroup post isn't revealing. According to TM, we
> should all have lifeboats, and prevention saves lives, planet Earth is our
> Titanic, time spent in church for issues most important is key, also there
> is confusion in time of urgency and crisis.
> In the account of lifeboat drilling, no drilling could save all people, but
> in a calm sea, lifeboats could have carried at least 20 more people per
> boat(documentary said). When lifeboats(people) heard screams of people they
> did not row near to rescue anyone for fear of swamping the boat, those in
> the water died in minutes.
> As to prevention, once your on the boat, you are under the care and
> direction of the captian and crew. Because of Titanic the preventitive
> measure of adequate life boats on ships is the current general rule(no so in
> the day).
> Earth is our Titanic, we all are in this together. There exists however a
> seperation in society of the classes. There really is a precieved difference
> either real or imaginary in the classes of our society. And those in the
> upper class of society are treated to the most
> elegant-elaborous-comfortable-speedy treatment. This is a society where if
> you want it now you can have it now, and money and influence make it happen
> now. But as some survived in the Titanic whether they were the affluent or
> lower class, everybody on earth will succumb. But social class, is in truth
> a reality in this life, and I will say a real thing in the afterlife or life
> to come. Biblically speaking(for a believer) that God treats his own
> children better and treats an unbeliever, with mercy and indifference(never
> too late to believe-you decide). So we have people in society over us as on
> Titanic they had a captain and crew, passengers of a ship and in society,
> people of nations. You really can't compare this mother earth with Titanic.
> Sometimes I think we all believe this earth is doomed, and we are on it and
> doomed as well- get that out of your head. There really are higher classes
> of society, that is real.
> Time better spent in church, this is a topic that divides faiths of all
> religions. There are different approaches to the Christian religion, as to
> which application intreprets the original, that is up to debate. But
> biblically, the church, (don't quote me I might be wrong) according to
> 1Kings 5, where it is written:
>
> 1 Kings 5:1 (KJV) And Hiram king of Tyre sent his servants unto Solomon;
> for
> he had heard that they had anointed him king in the room of his father: for
> Hiram was ever a lover of David.
>
> 1 Kings 5:2 (KJV) And Solomon sent to Hiram, saying,
>
> 1 Kings 5:3 (KJV) Thou knowest how that David my father could not build an
> house unto the name of the LORD his God for the wars which were about him on
> every side, until the LORD put them under the soles of his feet.
>
> 1 Kings 5:4 (KJV) But now the LORD my God hath given me rest on every
> side,
> so that there is neither adversary nor evil occurrent.
>
> 1 Kings 5:5 (KJV) And, behold, I purpose to build an house unto the name
> of
> the LORD my God, as the LORD spake unto David my father, saying, Thy son,
> whom
> I will set upon thy throne in thy room, he shall build an house unto my
> name.
>
> When you read that Solomon, had found rest from wars on all sides that he
> built a church(for his father David) that the very foundation of church
> means peace on all sides, and built unto the name of God. So when you see
> chruches, in cities and on street corners it is a sign of peace. The
> ministry itself has been given to us all to be the ministry of
> reconciliation as it is written:
> 2 Corinthians 5:18 (KJV) And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us
> to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of
> reconciliation;
>
> 2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV) To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the
> world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath
> committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
>
> Time well spent in church has long been working on the end of wars, as well
> as the reconciliation of us all one to another. Jesus showed us the way to
> pastor in the churches, known as the first love. So that when we have to
> give account before God, we can say; I have worked to reconcile this people
> for you God, to make it easier for you. The first commandment is to love
> God.
>
> There is a whole lot of confusion in the supposed launching of lifeboats. In
> a crisis people act irrationally. I have been a Christian a long time, we
> are all going somewhere.

Very interesting analysis of the class struggle in the ship, which is
easily applicable to the Earth. There's an attitude among the upper
classes that somebody is taking care of them and that makes them
unaware of the errors at the decision making. For example, I don't
hear them saying, "Hey, we are wasting our energy resources, which are
precious down the line." No, they drive their wasteful SUVs and
motorboats as if there's no future. Likewise I don't see many church
people at least going to church by bicycle. Hey, Jesus rode a lowly
donkey to prove something!

I say everything is related but it depends how you interpret the
facts. Third class people are survivors and they would never say,
"Hey, let's steer clear of this area that is full of icebergs." They
may see it coming but wait for catastrophe to happen because they are
ignored in life. We are saying to the captain, "FULL BLAST, NEVER MIND
WE ARE ON A COLLISION COURSE."

There are thousands of accidents that happen everyday, some of them on
bicycle, which are fully preventable. I'm on a collision course with
pedestrians and cars. And whenever I raise my voice I'm ignored. Of
course, that's because I'm a monkey.

mind

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Apr 19, 2012, 8:24:50 AM4/19/12
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TibetanMonkey wrote:

>There are thousands of accidents that happen everyday, some of them on
>bicycle, which are fully preventable. I'm on a collision course with
>pedestrians and cars. And whenever I raise my voice I'm ignored. Of
>course, that's because I'm a monkey.

Do you wear a seatbelt?

A seatbelt on a bike would be silly.

It is uncertain if it will be possible to prevent
the Red Giant from consuming Earth eventually.
Or an asteriod from its collision course.

To do so may well take a population upwards of
ten billion, with people driving their SUVs and their
motorboats as if energy is free, which it may be
by the time people finally leave Earth.

What you fear
might be what is actually needed
in order for Earth-folk and Earth-life
to survive the next incident or the final
curtain call of this realm.

If there is anything eternal or immortal
about people, such as their souls or spirits,
then those aspects are on board for the cruize,
seeing as how they cannot be harmed
in the filming of your drama.

Being obsessed with drama
you might act as if. As if there is a problem.
Without realizing that your obsessions
are your problems.

If there is nothing eternal nor immortal about you,
then your time spent on Earth is a passing fancy.

Feel free to yell fire all you like.
Everyone is on fire. Few are aware of it.
Of those who are, few do anything
to put the fire of their desire
out, to extinguish it.

Without being an eternal nor immortal, you
are a brief blip on the radar screen of time.
Life means next to nothing in the long haul
of planetary waste and star-dust.

Perspective can be a key.

Wearing a seatbelt might help
to prepare one for the real deal
when nothing will be of help.

Knowing nothing, emptiness,
can make room for everything.

- epistemologically

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Apr 22, 2012, 3:19:53 PM4/22/12
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The Wise Man is often ignored, then catastrophe follows. Sometimes it
takes a catastrophe for people to see wisdom. After Titanic, ships
were fitted with lifeboats for all.

Many other catastrophes unfold everyday though, and that's a tragedy.
They don't make the headlines but 40,000 die in accidents every year
in America alone. But blame no one but the indifferent man.
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