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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 8, 2012, 3:27:55 PM4/8/12
to
(This topic carries a subliminal message for the Pope sitting in a
palace in Rome)
"The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn
I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
an important part of our diet.
Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
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http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
palace in Rome)
"The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn
I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
an important part of our diet.
Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 8, 2012, 7:32:47 PM4/8/12
to
On Apr 8, 3:58 pm, d...@dudu.org wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:16:29 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> damage, and that is billions will die. It has to happen. It always
> happens. There is no possible alternative now.
Who should go first, the most polluting or the weakest? The key
populations to ensure the survival of Western Civilization are found
in North America, Europe and Japan. The so-called developing countries
will have to be discarded before it's too late. How can they be so
dumb to be like us?
> On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:16:29 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
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>
> Cruiser Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >"The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> >earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
> >statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
> >biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> >draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
>
> >http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html...
>
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>
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>
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>
> Cruiser Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >"The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> >earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
> >statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
> >biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> >draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
>
>
> >I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> >sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> >pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> >full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> >understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> >due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> >an important part of our diet.
>
> >Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> >Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> >future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
> >today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
> >use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
>
> There is only one alternative now as it is too late to mitigate the
> >I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> >sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> >pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> >full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> >understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> >due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> >an important part of our diet.
>
> >Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> >Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> >future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
> >today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
> >use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
>
> damage, and that is billions will die. It has to happen. It always
> happens. There is no possible alternative now.
Who should go first, the most polluting or the weakest? The key
populations to ensure the survival of Western Civilization are found
in North America, Europe and Japan. The so-called developing countries
will have to be discarded before it's too late. How can they be so
dumb to be like us?
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 9, 2012, 12:07:29 AM4/9/12
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On Apr 8, 7:20 pm, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
- Hide quoted text -
> On Apr 9, 5:35 am, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On 08/04/2012 11:23 AM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
> > > "The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> > > earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
> > > statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
> > > biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> > > draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
> > >http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html...
> > > I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> > > sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> > > pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> > > full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> > > understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> > > due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> > > an important part of our diet.
> > > Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> > > Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> > > future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
> > > today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
> > > use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
> > One prof history emeritus by name of Harold Dorn once wrote:
> > "No species has ever been able to multiply without limit. There are two
> > biological checks upon a rapid increase in number - a high mortality and
> > low fertility. Unlike other biological organisms, man can choose which
> > of these checks shall be applied, but one of them must be."
> > Quite true.
> > At the same time never forget much like fantasy kumbaya and manufactured
> > notions of equality the very idea humans are somehow ultimately above
> > nature is utopian to begin with. That is, more simply put, not all
> > posterity are created equal; and some children are _still_ preferred
> > more than others.
> > Which of course fundamentally threatens yet another variant of idealism:
> > another instance of "hope" over experience perhaps?
> .> Why not be one with nature?
> "To be one with nature" is fundamentally against
> their religious belief...(They believe that they are
> the chosen ones by their Gods. )
> If the earth is too crowded, then they are the deserving
> ones...the rest have no place on our planet...no place
> in our world.
Religion AND Western influence play a major role in this catastrophe.
Philippines is undergoing a population explosion due to its Catholic
roots and now must import rice to survive. In China though the major
role is Western influence.
- Hide quoted text -
> On Apr 9, 5:35 am, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On 08/04/2012 11:23 AM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
> > > "The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> > > earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
> > > statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
> > > biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> > > draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
> > >http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html...
> > > I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> > > sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> > > pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> > > full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> > > understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> > > due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> > > an important part of our diet.
> > > Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> > > Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> > > future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
> > > today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
> > > use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
> > >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
> > One prof history emeritus by name of Harold Dorn once wrote:
> > "No species has ever been able to multiply without limit. There are two
> > biological checks upon a rapid increase in number - a high mortality and
> > low fertility. Unlike other biological organisms, man can choose which
> > of these checks shall be applied, but one of them must be."
> > Quite true.
> > At the same time never forget much like fantasy kumbaya and manufactured
> > notions of equality the very idea humans are somehow ultimately above
> > nature is utopian to begin with. That is, more simply put, not all
> > posterity are created equal; and some children are _still_ preferred
> > more than others.
> > Which of course fundamentally threatens yet another variant of idealism:
> > another instance of "hope" over experience perhaps?
> .> Why not be one with nature?
> "To be one with nature" is fundamentally against
> their religious belief...(They believe that they are
> the chosen ones by their Gods. )
> If the earth is too crowded, then they are the deserving
> ones...the rest have no place on our planet...no place
> in our world.
Religion AND Western influence play a major role in this catastrophe.
Philippines is undergoing a population explosion due to its Catholic
roots and now must import rice to survive. In China though the major
role is Western influence.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 9, 2012, 10:07:44 AM4/9/12
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On Apr 9, 7:51 am, Old Pif <old...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 8, 3:58 pm, d...@dudu.org wrote:
>
>
>
> > There is only one alternative now as it is too late to mitigate the
> > damage, and that is billions will die. It has to happen. It always
> > happens. There is no possible alternative now.
>
> The best way to curb the population is to educate women. In the West
> On Apr 8, 3:58 pm, d...@dudu.org wrote:
>
>
>
> > There is only one alternative now as it is too late to mitigate the
> > damage, and that is billions will die. It has to happen. It always
> > happens. There is no possible alternative now.
>
> where the level of education between the genders is the same the
> population is stable. All the growth is due to immigration from the
> overpopulated regions of the planet.
>
> The Chinese have been able to control their population with
> administrative measures. The real problem is India and similar so
> called democracies of the Third World. Their future is very bleak
> indeed. Up to now they have been able to survive on international help
> but clearly their size has surpassed resources of charitable
> organizations combined.
This may be hard to swallow but maybe it's not a good idea to have a
democracy with an uneducated population. I agree that the education of
women is key, but democracy stands on the way of many things
necessary. Here in America cheap gas has become a "sacred cow" and
that's polluting the Earth like nothing else. Not only we must drive
everywhere, but we got trucks (SUVs) being used as personal ego
machines.
So this is a chain of incredible proportions but the chain breaks at
the weakest link.
Peter Olcott
Apr 9, 2012, 7:26:46 PM4/9/12
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On 4/8/2012 2:27 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
> (This topic carries a subliminal message for the Pope sitting in a
> palace in Rome)
>
> "The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> earth is full
Be fruitful and multiply and fill the Earth...
> (This topic carries a subliminal message for the Pope sitting in a
> palace in Rome)
>
> "The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> earth is full
(and when it is full stop filling it already!)
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 10, 2012, 9:47:19 AM4/10/12
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On Apr 9, 7:26 pm, Peter Olcott <NoS...@OCR4Screen.com> wrote:
> On 4/8/2012 2:27 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> > (This topic carries a subliminal message for the Pope sitting in a
> > palace in Rome)
>
> > "The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> > earth is full
>
> Be fruitful and multiply and fill the Earth...
> (and when it is full stop filling it already!)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
> > statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
> > biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> > draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
>
> >http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html...
> On 4/8/2012 2:27 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> > (This topic carries a subliminal message for the Pope sitting in a
> > palace in Rome)
>
> > "The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> > earth is full
>
> Be fruitful and multiply and fill the Earth...
> (and when it is full stop filling it already!)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
> > statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
> > biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> > draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
>
>
> > I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> > sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> > pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> > full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> > understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> > due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> > an important part of our diet.
>
> > Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> > Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> > future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
> > today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
> > use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
>
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
Makes sense to me. But they are waiting for the order to stop and god
> > I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> > sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> > pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> > full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> > understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> > due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> > an important part of our diet.
>
> > Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> > Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> > future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
> > today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
> > use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
>
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
is nowhere around!
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 10, 2012, 9:47:29 AM4/10/12
to
On Apr 9, 8:12 pm, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 10, 7:32 am, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 09/04/2012 7:01 PM, baldeagle wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 10, 6:47 am, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> variant - is really sophisticated coping mechanism if you think of it -
> > >> if not ultimate disguise of and for power.
>
> > >> Yes.
>
> > >> And there's perhaps reason why, too, young white men are often the
> > >> loudest crusaders to bash the system in the name of morality.
>
> > > It is idealism, not concern for overpopulation...that drive
> > > young white men (and women) to bash their social system.
>
> > > I am not saying that they bashing is not the right thing to do.
>
> .> Someone once commented the modern West's struggle as
> .> consisting of :
> .> (1)moralists [how dare you you don't take care of the weakest!]
> .> (2) religious types [we're all created equal before God!]
> .> (3) minorities [who have vested interests minimizing differences
> .> for personal gain], and of course,
> .> (4) anarchists [power for me but not for you!]
>
>
>
> > Think about it.
>
> This is my thought:
>
> Struggles...social, religious or political ones...are working
> against nature...against natural forces.
> It is no accident that water flow downward...and hot air rises.
> He who try to stop water from flowing down or try to prevent
> hot air from rising ....is not very clever. (Lao Tze's teaching)
>
> Western struggles...in the last decades... have been
> trying to stop the colonial slaves from becoming free
> nations....and US struggle to re-establish cultural
> colonialism...among nations in the East. They are
> working against forces larger and stronger than
> themselves...they have not been very clever nor very
> successful.
>
> It is better to live in peace with nature...natural forces..
> and when possible, to use nature ..to make our live
> a little better.
The word "developing" itself means that someday they will be like
America. There's no other path to follow other than getting rich,
getting the right toys and leaving communities to rot. I'm talking
about the infamous Gated Communities and SUVs.
Is someone trying to build a happy nation? Northern Europe figures
among the happiest places on Earth. Maybe they are doing a few things
right, even if they should not be a model for, say, Africa. The
bicycle and the freedom to roam free are prominent in my wish list.
> On Apr 10, 7:32 am, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 09/04/2012 7:01 PM, baldeagle wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 10, 6:47 am, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On 08/04/2012 7:20 PM, baldeagle wrote:
>
> > >>> On Apr 9, 5:35 am, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> On Apr 9, 5:35 am, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> On 08/04/2012 11:23 AM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> > >>>>> "The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> > >>>>> earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
>
> > >>>>> "The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> > >>>>> statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
> > >>>>> biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> > >>>>> draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
>
> > >>>>>http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html...
> > >>>>> biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> > >>>>> draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
>
>
> > >>>>> I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> > >>>>> sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> > >>>>> pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> > >>>>> full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> > >>>>> understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> > >>>>> due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> > >>>>> an important part of our diet.
>
> > >>>>> Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> > >>>>> Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> > >>>>> future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
> > >>>>> today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
> > >>>>> use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
>
> > >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > >>>>>http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> > >>>>> I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> > >>>>> sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> > >>>>> pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> > >>>>> full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> > >>>>> understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> > >>>>> due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> > >>>>> an important part of our diet.
>
> > >>>>> Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> > >>>>> Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> > >>>>> future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
> > >>>>> today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
> > >>>>> use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
>
> > >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > >>>>>http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> > >>>> One prof history emeritus by name of Harold Dorn once wrote:
>
> > >>>> "No species has ever been able to multiply without limit. There are two
> > >>>> biological checks upon a rapid increase in number - a high mortality and
> > >>>> low fertility. Unlike other biological organisms, man can choose which
> > >>>> of these checks shall be applied, but one of them must be."
>
> > >>>> Quite true.
>
> > >>>> At the same time never forget much like fantasy kumbaya and manufactured
> > >>>> notions of equality the very idea humans are somehow ultimately above
> > >>>> nature is utopian to begin with. That is, more simply put, not all
> > >>>> posterity are created equal; and some children are _still_ preferred
> > >>>> more than others.
>
> > >>>> Which of course fundamentally threatens yet another variant of idealism:
> > >>>> another instance of "hope" over experience perhaps?
>
> > >>> .> Why not be one with nature?
>
> > >>> "To be one with nature" is fundamentally against
> > >>> their religious belief...(They believe that they are
> > >>> the chosen ones by their Gods. )
> > >>> If the earth is too crowded, then they are the deserving
> > >>> ones...the rest have no place on our planet...no place
> > >>> in our world.
>
> > >> Modern& manufactured religion if you think about it - in whatever
>
> > >>>> "No species has ever been able to multiply without limit. There are two
> > >>>> biological checks upon a rapid increase in number - a high mortality and
> > >>>> low fertility. Unlike other biological organisms, man can choose which
> > >>>> of these checks shall be applied, but one of them must be."
>
> > >>>> Quite true.
>
> > >>>> At the same time never forget much like fantasy kumbaya and manufactured
> > >>>> notions of equality the very idea humans are somehow ultimately above
> > >>>> nature is utopian to begin with. That is, more simply put, not all
> > >>>> posterity are created equal; and some children are _still_ preferred
> > >>>> more than others.
>
> > >>>> Which of course fundamentally threatens yet another variant of idealism:
> > >>>> another instance of "hope" over experience perhaps?
>
> > >>> .> Why not be one with nature?
>
> > >>> "To be one with nature" is fundamentally against
> > >>> their religious belief...(They believe that they are
> > >>> the chosen ones by their Gods. )
> > >>> If the earth is too crowded, then they are the deserving
> > >>> ones...the rest have no place on our planet...no place
> > >>> in our world.
>
> > >> variant - is really sophisticated coping mechanism if you think of it -
> > >> if not ultimate disguise of and for power.
>
> > >> Yes.
>
> > >> And there's perhaps reason why, too, young white men are often the
> > >> loudest crusaders to bash the system in the name of morality.
>
> > > It is idealism, not concern for overpopulation...that drive
> > > young white men (and women) to bash their social system.
>
> > > I am not saying that they bashing is not the right thing to do.
>
> .> Someone once commented the modern West's struggle as
> .> consisting of :
> .> (1)moralists [how dare you you don't take care of the weakest!]
> .> (2) religious types [we're all created equal before God!]
> .> (3) minorities [who have vested interests minimizing differences
> .> for personal gain], and of course,
> .> (4) anarchists [power for me but not for you!]
>
>
>
> > Think about it.
>
> This is my thought:
>
> Struggles...social, religious or political ones...are working
> against nature...against natural forces.
> It is no accident that water flow downward...and hot air rises.
> He who try to stop water from flowing down or try to prevent
> hot air from rising ....is not very clever. (Lao Tze's teaching)
>
> Western struggles...in the last decades... have been
> trying to stop the colonial slaves from becoming free
> nations....and US struggle to re-establish cultural
> colonialism...among nations in the East. They are
> working against forces larger and stronger than
> themselves...they have not been very clever nor very
> successful.
>
> It is better to live in peace with nature...natural forces..
> and when possible, to use nature ..to make our live
> a little better.
The word "developing" itself means that someday they will be like
America. There's no other path to follow other than getting rich,
getting the right toys and leaving communities to rot. I'm talking
about the infamous Gated Communities and SUVs.
Is someone trying to build a happy nation? Northern Europe figures
among the happiest places on Earth. Maybe they are doing a few things
right, even if they should not be a model for, say, Africa. The
bicycle and the freedom to roam free are prominent in my wish list.
linuxgal
Apr 10, 2012, 9:40:53 PM4/10/12
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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
> Makes sense to me. But they are waiting for the order to stop and god
> is nowhere around!
>
You should visit the State of Washington if you feel the Earth is
> Makes sense to me. But they are waiting for the order to stop and god
> is nowhere around!
>
getting full.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4145/4990293803_4ce01eeaf2.jpg
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 11, 2012, 11:10:12 AM4/11/12
to
great quality of life, such as Germany. But it requires a lot of
legislation and cooperation.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 11, 2012, 11:10:21 AM4/11/12
to
On Apr 10, 11:18 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 09/04/2012 7:56 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 6:54 pm, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 08/04/2012 8:09 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> >>> On Apr 8, 5:35 pm, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>> and lack of planning. The Dutch get along fine with their bikes in a
> >>> highly populated land. Bike traffic seems to flow better there than
> >>> rush hour in America, which has a much lower population density. Maybe
> >>> the Third World needs to discard the Western model altogether and look
> >>> for alternatives such as the bike and the preservation of ecosystems.
> >>> The cash crops are wiping out forests and creating hunger.
>
> >>> The West has paid a hefty price for development and it's now in
> >>> crisis. I can only hope it doesn't bounce back so it'll learn to live
> >>> within its means. Perhaps the best hope we can have in the wasteful
> >>> rich countries is to have bicycles occupy our main mode of
> >>> transportation within healthy communities.
>
> >>> It's not the bike alone of course. Curitiba, Brazil, is a model of
> >>> public transportation from a Third World country. You don't need to be
> >>> rich to be prosperous.
>
> >> Look, you still have to make a choice. And some will be more valued than
> >> others in zero-sum game.
>
> >> Why fight Darwin?
>
> >> Why deplore competition when it's selection process?
>
> >> Why not accept some will be valued more than others by whatever perspective?
>
> >> Again, why fight nature? And not learn from the "West's" mistakes?
>
> > If you don't use the Xerox machine, then it makes sense. My concern is
> > that consumption habits made in West are recklessly copied, and this
> > adds to the doomsday scenario.
>
> > For example the approaches followed by Taiwan (scooters) and Singapore
> > (bullet trains) are praiseworthy given their reality not that of the
> > West. And in turn this not the reality for Africa, where the humble
> > bike could the vehicle of liberation. Adaption to the environment is a
> > law of nature.
>
> Then tell us how much more copying you can get if you parrot equality,
> liberty, or democracy. When you "liberate" the rest of the 6 or 7
> billion, how much worse will the world become?
>
> Tell us.
You are rather pessimist about the outcome but it can only be better
than what it is. Liberation means not only democracy but liberation of
Western patterns that are rather unhealthy and unreal. I can almost
hear it: "I got to have a car to be happy." Oh c'mon, this is Africa,
you better be happy with bicycles and bananas. Yes, the West has some
mighty technology such as the Internet that we can take advantage of,
but we all can be happier by roaming free, than by driving a car and
eating McDonald's.
Excuse my copy & paste now:
Bananas and the Revolution
By Peter Schata
There is a long political history behind bananas becoming the fifth
most important food commodity in the world. They were one of the first
products where no expense was spared to create world markets for this
unmistakable fruit, turning whole countries over to banana production,
with stooge dictators controlled by the USA, in what aptly became
known as 'the banana republics'. Half a century after the big
Hollywood-style banana campaigns, the banana reflects ever more
clearly a world economic system concerned only with the kind of
'growth' that means control of the markets and massive profits. What
happens to the environment or to the people, who produce and consume
the fruit of such intentions, appears to be irrelevant.
In our democracies there is little self-determination, and we only
need to look at poverty and unemployment in Europe as well, to raise
doubts as to what is meant by 'free trade'. Such distortions of
language that hoodwink millions of people into accepting their lot,
need to be challenged and overturned. New language means new ideas,
new concepts. This is the revolution. We are this revolution!
Such a revolution is especially important if we are to find ways to
shift from the current forms of egocentric globalisation to a global
society that recognises the actual interrelatedness of all human
beings as well as our interconnectedness with the planet that supports
us.
> On 09/04/2012 7:56 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 6:54 pm, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 08/04/2012 8:09 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> >>> On Apr 8, 5:35 pm, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 08/04/2012 11:23 AM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> >>>>> "The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> >>>>> earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
>
> >>>>> "The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> >>>>> statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
> >>>>> biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> >>>>> draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
>
> >>>>>http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html...
>
> >>>>> I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> >>>>> sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> >>>>> pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> >>>>> full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> >>>>> understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> >>>>> due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> >>>>> an important part of our diet.
>
> >>>>> Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> >>>>> Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> >>>>> future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
> >>>>> today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
> >>>>> use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
>
> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >>>>>http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> >>>>> biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> >>>>> draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
>
> >>>>>http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html...
>
> >>>>> I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> >>>>> sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> >>>>> pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> >>>>> full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> >>>>> understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> >>>>> due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> >>>>> an important part of our diet.
>
> >>>>> Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> >>>>> Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> >>>>> future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
> >>>>> today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
> >>>>> use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
>
> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >>>>>http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> >>>> One prof history emeritus by name of Harold Dorn once wrote:
>
> >>>> "No species has ever been able to multiply without limit. There are two
> >>>> biological checks upon a rapid increase in number - a high mortality and
> >>>> low fertility. Unlike other biological organisms, man can choose which
> >>>> of these checks shall be applied, but one of them must be."
>
> >>>> Quite true.
>
> >>>> At the same time never forget much like fantasy kumbaya and manufactured
> >>>> notions of equality the very idea humans are somehow ultimately above
> >>>> nature is utopian to begin with. That is, more simply put, not all
> >>>> posterity are created equal; and some children are _still_ preferred
> >>>> more than others.
>
> >>>> Which of course fundamentally threatens yet another variant of idealism:
> >>>> another instance of "hope" over experience perhaps?
>
>
> >>>> "No species has ever been able to multiply without limit. There are two
> >>>> biological checks upon a rapid increase in number - a high mortality and
> >>>> low fertility. Unlike other biological organisms, man can choose which
> >>>> of these checks shall be applied, but one of them must be."
>
> >>>> Quite true.
>
> >>>> At the same time never forget much like fantasy kumbaya and manufactured
> >>>> notions of equality the very idea humans are somehow ultimately above
> >>>> nature is utopian to begin with. That is, more simply put, not all
> >>>> posterity are created equal; and some children are _still_ preferred
> >>>> more than others.
>
> >>>> Which of course fundamentally threatens yet another variant of idealism:
> >>>> another instance of "hope" over experience perhaps?
>
> >>>> Why not be one with nature?
>
> >>> We could support very high populations if it weren't for all the waste
>
> >>> and lack of planning. The Dutch get along fine with their bikes in a
> >>> highly populated land. Bike traffic seems to flow better there than
> >>> rush hour in America, which has a much lower population density. Maybe
> >>> the Third World needs to discard the Western model altogether and look
> >>> for alternatives such as the bike and the preservation of ecosystems.
> >>> The cash crops are wiping out forests and creating hunger.
>
> >>> The West has paid a hefty price for development and it's now in
> >>> crisis. I can only hope it doesn't bounce back so it'll learn to live
> >>> within its means. Perhaps the best hope we can have in the wasteful
> >>> rich countries is to have bicycles occupy our main mode of
> >>> transportation within healthy communities.
>
> >>> It's not the bike alone of course. Curitiba, Brazil, is a model of
> >>> public transportation from a Third World country. You don't need to be
> >>> rich to be prosperous.
>
> >> Look, you still have to make a choice. And some will be more valued than
> >> others in zero-sum game.
>
> >> Why fight Darwin?
>
> >> Why deplore competition when it's selection process?
>
> >> Why not accept some will be valued more than others by whatever perspective?
>
> >> Again, why fight nature? And not learn from the "West's" mistakes?
>
> > If you don't use the Xerox machine, then it makes sense. My concern is
> > that consumption habits made in West are recklessly copied, and this
> > adds to the doomsday scenario.
>
> > For example the approaches followed by Taiwan (scooters) and Singapore
> > (bullet trains) are praiseworthy given their reality not that of the
> > West. And in turn this not the reality for Africa, where the humble
> > bike could the vehicle of liberation. Adaption to the environment is a
> > law of nature.
>
> Then tell us how much more copying you can get if you parrot equality,
> liberty, or democracy. When you "liberate" the rest of the 6 or 7
> billion, how much worse will the world become?
>
> Tell us.
You are rather pessimist about the outcome but it can only be better
than what it is. Liberation means not only democracy but liberation of
Western patterns that are rather unhealthy and unreal. I can almost
hear it: "I got to have a car to be happy." Oh c'mon, this is Africa,
you better be happy with bicycles and bananas. Yes, the West has some
mighty technology such as the Internet that we can take advantage of,
but we all can be happier by roaming free, than by driving a car and
eating McDonald's.
Excuse my copy & paste now:
Bananas and the Revolution
By Peter Schata
There is a long political history behind bananas becoming the fifth
most important food commodity in the world. They were one of the first
products where no expense was spared to create world markets for this
unmistakable fruit, turning whole countries over to banana production,
with stooge dictators controlled by the USA, in what aptly became
known as 'the banana republics'. Half a century after the big
Hollywood-style banana campaigns, the banana reflects ever more
clearly a world economic system concerned only with the kind of
'growth' that means control of the markets and massive profits. What
happens to the environment or to the people, who produce and consume
the fruit of such intentions, appears to be irrelevant.
In our democracies there is little self-determination, and we only
need to look at poverty and unemployment in Europe as well, to raise
doubts as to what is meant by 'free trade'. Such distortions of
language that hoodwink millions of people into accepting their lot,
need to be challenged and overturned. New language means new ideas,
new concepts. This is the revolution. We are this revolution!
Such a revolution is especially important if we are to find ways to
shift from the current forms of egocentric globalisation to a global
society that recognises the actual interrelatedness of all human
beings as well as our interconnectedness with the planet that supports
us.
mind
Apr 11, 2012, 12:37:28 PM4/11/12
to
TibetanMonkey wrote:
> linuxgal wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPBh1aZm4jM
http://www.bibb.de/images/inhalte/a21_ausbildungsmarkt-aufschwung_en_02.jpg
While ignorance, on the one hand, may be bliss,
otoh, it may, apparently, be a sort of hell.
To think Earth is full is a funny thought to me.
People, I think, are often full, of many things.
Preconceived and strange-conceived n'oceans.
Earth is mostly covered with water.
The water might be full. Except it isn't.
Earth's land-mass isn't near full.
People are condensed into about 10% of the land.
http://geography.about.com/od/populationgeography/a/popdensity.htm
The site also reports that 90% of all people
live north of the equator. Which, apparently, means
that south of the equater is, like, totally empty, mostly.
Now what?
Now, those who think Earth is full
might want to rethink their thoughts.
Probably however, they shall remain full
of their own brand of fullness.
Taoism, Buddhism and their daughter, Zen,
tend to lean up on emptiness.
This concept, ore realization, seams to escape
those whose glass is quite a bit more than one-half.
They of'ten-k runneth over.
Over-flowing, with their fullness,
people speak and write of what they encounter.
Some see shit all over their world.
Some see beauty.
Others ugly.
Washington State is a great state
of consciousness for One. Germany another.
Florida? Their jury hangs on ballot votes at times.
Klesha could pertain.
Whether the self-proclaimed TMonk poster
knows of Buddhism, Taoism or Zen
is something of a mystery.
Exactly what.
Inexactly what.
- hmmm
> linuxgal wrote:
>> TibetanMonkey wrote:
>>
>> > Makes sense to me. But they are waiting for the order to stop and god
>> > is nowhere around!
>>
>> You should visit the State of Washington if you feel the Earth is
>> getting full.
>>
>> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4145/4990293803_4ce01eeaf2.jpg
>
>Maybe I should. It's funny that the crowded places often afford a
>great quality of life, such as Germany. But it requires a lot of
>legislation and cooperation.
Germany isn't crowded.
>>
>> > Makes sense to me. But they are waiting for the order to stop and god
>> > is nowhere around!
>>
>> You should visit the State of Washington if you feel the Earth is
>> getting full.
>>
>> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4145/4990293803_4ce01eeaf2.jpg
>
>Maybe I should. It's funny that the crowded places often afford a
>great quality of life, such as Germany. But it requires a lot of
>legislation and cooperation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPBh1aZm4jM
http://www.bibb.de/images/inhalte/a21_ausbildungsmarkt-aufschwung_en_02.jpg
While ignorance, on the one hand, may be bliss,
otoh, it may, apparently, be a sort of hell.
To think Earth is full is a funny thought to me.
People, I think, are often full, of many things.
Preconceived and strange-conceived n'oceans.
Earth is mostly covered with water.
The water might be full. Except it isn't.
Earth's land-mass isn't near full.
People are condensed into about 10% of the land.
http://geography.about.com/od/populationgeography/a/popdensity.htm
The site also reports that 90% of all people
live north of the equator. Which, apparently, means
that south of the equater is, like, totally empty, mostly.
Now what?
Now, those who think Earth is full
might want to rethink their thoughts.
Probably however, they shall remain full
of their own brand of fullness.
Taoism, Buddhism and their daughter, Zen,
tend to lean up on emptiness.
This concept, ore realization, seams to escape
those whose glass is quite a bit more than one-half.
They of'ten-k runneth over.
Over-flowing, with their fullness,
people speak and write of what they encounter.
Some see shit all over their world.
Some see beauty.
Others ugly.
Washington State is a great state
of consciousness for One. Germany another.
Florida? Their jury hangs on ballot votes at times.
Klesha could pertain.
Whether the self-proclaimed TMonk poster
knows of Buddhism, Taoism or Zen
is something of a mystery.
Exactly what.
Inexactly what.
- hmmm
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 11, 2012, 5:13:37 PM4/11/12
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On Apr 11, 12:37 pm, mind <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey wrote:
> > linuxgal wrote:
> >> TibetanMonkey wrote:
>
> >> > Makes sense to me. But they are waiting for the order to stop and god
> >> > is nowhere around!
>
> >> You should visit the State of Washington if you feel the Earth is
> >> getting full.
>
> >>http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4145/4990293803_4ce01eeaf2.jpg
>
> >Maybe I should. It's funny that the crowded places often afford a
> >great quality of life, such as Germany. But it requires a lot of
> >legislation and cooperation.
>
> Germany isn't crowded.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPBh1aZm4jM
>
> http://www.bibb.de/images/inhalte/a21_ausbildungsmarkt-aufschwung_en_...
> TibetanMonkey wrote:
> > linuxgal wrote:
> >> TibetanMonkey wrote:
>
> >> > Makes sense to me. But they are waiting for the order to stop and god
> >> > is nowhere around!
>
> >> You should visit the State of Washington if you feel the Earth is
> >> getting full.
>
> >>http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4145/4990293803_4ce01eeaf2.jpg
>
> >Maybe I should. It's funny that the crowded places often afford a
> >great quality of life, such as Germany. But it requires a lot of
> >legislation and cooperation.
>
> Germany isn't crowded.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPBh1aZm4jM
>
dissatisfied monkey. Yeah sure.
You are wrong though. You rely on wishful thinking not fact or
numbers. Numbers don't lie:
China would have a population of 2,207 billion if it had the density
of Germany and the whole Earth would crumble under such demand.
Luckily China has been smarter than you and today and only has 1,350
billion people. Good for them.
Germany's population density: 593 per square mile.
China's population density: 363 per square mile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_population_density
Are you playing Three Wise Monkeys?
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 11, 2012, 5:29:21 PM4/11/12
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On Apr 11, 11:03 am, Bob Eld <nsmontas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> bacteria when they overrun their environment and cannot find sufficient
> food, water, shelter and other factors necessary to survive?
>
> Simple, Their population crashes and that fate awaits humans for the
> same reasons. Of course the worst sufferers will be in the third world
> where they are already stretched thin, can't raise their own food and
> are running out of water. Climate change makes it worse with famine
> already beginning in some areas. The future is bleak for many people.
>
> The developed world will fare better. Birth rates are already declining
> in most areas, in Europe and elsewhere, even Mexico believe it or not.
> Moreover the developed world has the scientific expertise to do things
> about climate change, droughts and food shortages. Now, all they'll need
> will be the political will to make necessary changes. Lack of political
> will and belief in mythology and irrational bull shit will be the
> biggest problem facing countries like the US. Lets hope we can get our
> act together.
We can only pray. ;)
I think we'll go back to feudal times with all these gated communities
and serfs working to satisfy the rich. They can hire half of humanity
to kill the other half, to paraphrase some fat cat.
The BS will catch up with the bulshitters sooner or later.
> On 4/8/2012 12:26 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > (This topic carries a subliminal message for the Pope sitting in a
> > palace in Rome)
>
> > "The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> > earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > (This topic carries a subliminal message for the Pope sitting in a
> > palace in Rome)
>
> > "The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> > statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
> > biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> > draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
>
> >http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html...
>
> > I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> > sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> > pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> > full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> > understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> > due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> > an important part of our diet.
>
> > Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> > Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> > future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
> > today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
> > use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
>
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> What happens to any biological organism be they rats, rabbits or
> > biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> > draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
>
> >http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html...
>
> > I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> > sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> > pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> > full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> > understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> > due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> > an important part of our diet.
>
> > Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> > Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> > future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
> > today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
> > use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
>
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> bacteria when they overrun their environment and cannot find sufficient
> food, water, shelter and other factors necessary to survive?
>
> Simple, Their population crashes and that fate awaits humans for the
> same reasons. Of course the worst sufferers will be in the third world
> where they are already stretched thin, can't raise their own food and
> are running out of water. Climate change makes it worse with famine
> already beginning in some areas. The future is bleak for many people.
>
> The developed world will fare better. Birth rates are already declining
> in most areas, in Europe and elsewhere, even Mexico believe it or not.
> Moreover the developed world has the scientific expertise to do things
> about climate change, droughts and food shortages. Now, all they'll need
> will be the political will to make necessary changes. Lack of political
> will and belief in mythology and irrational bull shit will be the
> biggest problem facing countries like the US. Lets hope we can get our
> act together.
We can only pray. ;)
I think we'll go back to feudal times with all these gated communities
and serfs working to satisfy the rich. They can hire half of humanity
to kill the other half, to paraphrase some fat cat.
The BS will catch up with the bulshitters sooner or later.
Tsukino Usagi
Apr 12, 2012, 12:53:29 AM4/12/12
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Yes, we know, if you had been following the discussion you would know
that oxtail misquoted THAT passage as well. No one was claiming
anything, and no one was putting anyone down. It's a classic mistake
around here; find someone more along the road than you are, and claim
it's their fault you suck.
Nobody in Particular
Apr 12, 2012, 1:04:06 AM4/12/12
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"linuxgal" wrote in message
news:EKGdnY8vvKM4fBnS...@giganews.com...
http://hiphappy.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/seattle-fest-crowd.jpg
news:EKGdnY8vvKM4fBnS...@giganews.com...
Sanford Manley
Apr 12, 2012, 2:16:01 AM4/12/12
to
--
Sanford
oxtail
Apr 12, 2012, 7:33:31 AM4/12/12
to
Do you even know how lost
you appear to be to others?
--
oxtail
mind
Apr 12, 2012, 8:47:03 AM4/12/12
to
TibetanMonkey wrote:
>I think you are funny.
Since, in the final moments of life on Earth,
>I think you are funny.
there is a Red Giant that gobbles up every organism,
everything in between can be seen
as being somewhat dramatic.
You appear to be addicted to drama.
If there was no immediate threat, which there isn't,
or you would not be spending time on Usenet,
you would complain about how a dog
or a cat did something
of which you do not approve.
So you step in it, stir it, and it stirs you,
to fling it onto message boards. You find a cause
because you have nothing better to do.
Your life is good. You have free time.
You have access to bliss, yet you squander it.
You focus on what can rile you. Such is how you are.
You are addicted to your rile.
Ore sew it seams.
> Everything is cool and the TibetanMonkey is a
>dissatisfied monkey. Yeah sure.
So you stir the stuff of cats and dogs. You see what you see
and judge how you judge. And how you judge disturbs you. No?
There are solutions which can dissolve your disturbance
but you ignore those types of Buddhist and Taoist solutions.
What I appreciate is that you provide an opportunity
for me to apply these solutions to the problems you present.
A morning med of sorts, for me to sort thru and through.
>You are wrong though. You rely on wishful thinking not fact or
>numbers. Numbers don't lie:
You appear to be hooked on that side of a coin.
You wish for the good, without realizing how
the wish itself evokes the bad.
Taoism may take a different Road.
Forget about good and bad
and alls can be wells.
You appear to want to feel as you are fixated.
Stuck in your own rut with what cats and dogs do,
or what people do, as if those things are not natural.
>China would have a population of 2,207 billion if it had the density
>of Germany and the whole Earth would crumble under such demand.
then that is the rut you have thought yourself into.
Malthus may have thought along similar lines.
You appear to be a Malthusian in your thought.
Earth may be doing what is natural for Earth
yet your scope is too narrow to see it.
In order for Life to move on, out of its Earth-nest,
it might require billions of people. To reach the stars.
You would hamper that, cripple that, with your thought.
>Luckily China has been smarter than you and today and only has 1,350
>billion people. Good for them.
for all you actually "know" but you think you know
what you think you know, and your thinking induces
you to post what you post, to complain continually.
>Germany's population density: 593 per square mile.
>
>China's population density: 363 per square mile.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_population_density
Earth can be shown to be full of people
who are full of their own ideas.
You have shown this to be true.
If you were to take 600 people or 1000 people
and have them all line up next to each other
how much of that one square mile would they cover?
That's double or triple China's population.
A mile is 5,280 feet long.
If a person stretches out his or her arms
and they reach out 6 feet, it would take how many
for 1000 people to reach one mile across?
Let's do the math. Shall we?
One thousand people, stretching 6 feet arm's-length
would be 6,000 feet. A little over one mile. Right?
And how wide is one person? Two feet? Three feet?
So if you line up triple the number of people in China
into a per-square-mile area, they would cover about 3%
of that square mile.
That leaves 97% of the square mile open. Empty.
Not at all full. Not even half. Not one fourth. Not even
a tenth full. Less than 5%, and that's with triple
the density of China as it now stands.
>Are you playing Three Wise Monkeys?
How wise they may make One
cud be semantics.
If you empty yourself of ideas,
the ones you cling to, to be right,
what will you have left?
Being empty of ideas
one may find a form of being One
in a way unlike the forms you cling to.
You may think you have found oneness
in your many, many, many thoughts.
Perhaps one is one too many.
When nothing is beyond you
you will never quite reach it.
When nothing is within you,
then you may find a door, a window,
a wheel, and plenty of room to move.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 12, 2012, 10:01:36 AM4/12/12
to
http://news.yahoo.com/insurers-rethink-coverage-weather-disaster-payouts-124608977.html
Insurers go missing. To be expected. They know science translates into
hard cash.
This is my wise comment:
"Mother Earth is fighting back with all her might."
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 12, 2012, 11:26:54 AM4/12/12
to
On Apr 11, 9:24 pm, Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:58:55 -0600, deep wrote:
>
> eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn
> combined...
Only if I promoted war or mass starvation. Actually I'm promoting
PREVENTION and SMART FOOD POLICIES. How can you turn CORN into fuel
and not think of all the people hungry in the world? And do we really
need all the MEAT? I don't think so. But that's only my humble
opinion. How about RIDING A BIKE? That's the best you can do for the
planet:
On Apr 11, 8:40 pm, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> that. People don't live in such densities on arid steppes.
Parts of America are not very friendly either, ie. Alaska. But my
point is that Germany has a high population density while keeping a
high standard of living. America has 83 people per square mile, so
that's empty. I figure Holland is pretty stable even though it
sustains 1046 people per square mile. Someone riding a bike is not
nearly the same as someone driving an SUV.
> On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:58:55 -0600, deep wrote:
> > On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:16:29 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> > Cruiser Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>"The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> >>earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
> > Cruiser Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>"The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> >>statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and biology.
> >>There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all draw the
> >>same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
>
> >>http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html?
> >>There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all draw the
> >>same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
>
>
> eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common sense.
> >>The question is what do we do about it. One option is make pregnant
> >>mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is full, and
> >>that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her understand that
> >>cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime due to the scarcity
> >>of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become an important part of
> >>our diet.
>
> >>Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> >>Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> >>future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do today
> >>and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or use. Tell
> >>you what, I won't drive a car today.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common sense.
> >>The question is what do we do about it. One option is make pregnant
> >>mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is full, and
> >>that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her understand that
> >>cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime due to the scarcity
> >>of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become an important part of
> >>our diet.
>
> >>Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> >>Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> >>future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do today
> >>and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or use. Tell
> >>you what, I won't drive a car today.
>
> > There is only one alternative now as it is too late to mitigate the
> > damage, and that is billions will die. It has to happen. It always
> > happens. There is no possible alternative now.
>
> Now that you've stated that you're worse than Hitler, Stalin and Mao
> > damage, and that is billions will die. It has to happen. It always
> > happens. There is no possible alternative now.
>
> combined...
Only if I promoted war or mass starvation. Actually I'm promoting
PREVENTION and SMART FOOD POLICIES. How can you turn CORN into fuel
and not think of all the people hungry in the world? And do we really
need all the MEAT? I don't think so. But that's only my humble
opinion. How about RIDING A BIKE? That's the best you can do for the
planet:
On Apr 11, 8:40 pm, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> > China would have a population of 2,207 billion if it had the density
> > of Germany and the whole Earth would crumble under such demand.
> > of Germany and the whole Earth would crumble under such demand.
> > Luckily China has been smarter than you and today and only has 1,350
> > billion people. Good for them.
>
> A lot of China looks like outer Mongolia. You can't extrapolate like
> > billion people. Good for them.
>
> that. People don't live in such densities on arid steppes.
Parts of America are not very friendly either, ie. Alaska. But my
point is that Germany has a high population density while keeping a
high standard of living. America has 83 people per square mile, so
that's empty. I figure Holland is pretty stable even though it
sustains 1046 people per square mile. Someone riding a bike is not
nearly the same as someone driving an SUV.
mind
Apr 12, 2012, 2:14:34 PM4/12/12
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TibetanMonkey wrote:
Sensationalism sells papers.
What are you promoting?
Aside from your fears?
Why spread gloom and doom?
Why do you focus on dog shit?
Why does what you
consider to be bad attract your attention?
Can you see yourself?
Do you know why?
Deep down?
Within?
>http://news.yahoo.com/insurers-rethink-coverage-weather-disaster-payouts-124608977.html
>
>Insurers go missing. To be expected. They know science translates into
>hard cash.
Which goes to prove the point.
You focus on the bad and ignore the good.
In any effort to right wrongs
a whole point slips past you.
How many people were recompensed?
How many people were killed today
by whatever means they were killed?
How many murders?
How many thefts?
How many pipes burst?
How many flat tires were there?
How many accidents?
How many heart failures?
How many children were bullied?
And how many people had a nice day?
Did you have a nice day?
Are you having any fun
with your reporting of crap?
>This is my wise comment:
>
>"Mother Earth is fighting back with all her might."
If that is how you choose to see things
then that is your world-view.
Why you post this stuff to Buddhist
and Taoist newsgroups is a mystery to me.
You don't quite seem to get the picture.
The philosophies. The metaphysics.
You focus on what you focus on.
That is your extent.
Is that what you think Buddhism
and Taoism are all about?
What is Zen, in your view?
- tia
What are you promoting?
Aside from your fears?
Why spread gloom and doom?
Why do you focus on dog shit?
Why does what you
consider to be bad attract your attention?
Can you see yourself?
Do you know why?
Deep down?
Within?
>http://news.yahoo.com/insurers-rethink-coverage-weather-disaster-payouts-124608977.html
>
>Insurers go missing. To be expected. They know science translates into
>hard cash.
You focus on the bad and ignore the good.
In any effort to right wrongs
a whole point slips past you.
How many people were recompensed?
How many people were killed today
by whatever means they were killed?
How many murders?
How many thefts?
How many pipes burst?
How many flat tires were there?
How many accidents?
How many heart failures?
How many children were bullied?
And how many people had a nice day?
Did you have a nice day?
Are you having any fun
with your reporting of crap?
>This is my wise comment:
>
>"Mother Earth is fighting back with all her might."
then that is your world-view.
Why you post this stuff to Buddhist
and Taoist newsgroups is a mystery to me.
You don't quite seem to get the picture.
The philosophies. The metaphysics.
You focus on what you focus on.
That is your extent.
Is that what you think Buddhism
and Taoism are all about?
What is Zen, in your view?
- tia
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 12, 2012, 11:21:45 PM4/12/12
to
On Apr 12, 11:50 am, Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:23:04 -0700, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Philosopher wrote:
> > On Apr 11, 9:24 pm, Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:58:55 -0600, deep wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Philosopher wrote:
> > On Apr 11, 9:24 pm, Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:58:55 -0600, deep wrote:
> >> > On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:16:29 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> >> > Cruiser Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>"The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> >> >>earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
> >> > Cruiser Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>"The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> >> >>statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
> >> >>biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> >> >>draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
>
> >> >>http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/
> index.html?
> >> >>biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> >> >>draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
>
> >> >>http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/
>
> >> eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn
>
> >> >>I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> >> >>sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> >> >>pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> >> >>full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> >> >>understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> >> >>due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> >> >>an important part of our diet.
>
> >> >>Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so
> >> >>the Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing
> >> >>from future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can
> >> >>do today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat
> >> >>or use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
>
> >> >>I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> >> >>sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> >> >>pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> >> >>full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> >> >>understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> >> >>due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> >> >>an important part of our diet.
>
> >> >>Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so
> >> >>the Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing
> >> >>from future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can
> >> >>do today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat
> >> >>or use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
>
> >> > There is only one alternative now as it is too late to mitigate the
> >> > damage, and that is billions will die. It has to happen. It always
> >> > happens. There is no possible alternative now.
>
> >> Now that you've stated that you're worse than Hitler, Stalin and Mao
> >> combined...
>
> > Only if I promoted war or mass starvation. Actually I'm promoting
> > PREVENTION and SMART FOOD POLICIES. How can you turn CORN into fuel and
> > not think of all the people hungry in the world? And do we really need
> > all the MEAT? I don't think so. But that's only my humble opinion. How
> > about RIDING A BIKE? That's the best you can do for the planet:
>
> >> > damage, and that is billions will die. It has to happen. It always
> >> > happens. There is no possible alternative now.
>
> >> Now that you've stated that you're worse than Hitler, Stalin and Mao
> >> combined...
>
> > Only if I promoted war or mass starvation. Actually I'm promoting
> > PREVENTION and SMART FOOD POLICIES. How can you turn CORN into fuel and
> > not think of all the people hungry in the world? And do we really need
> > all the MEAT? I don't think so. But that's only my humble opinion. How
> > about RIDING A BIKE? That's the best you can do for the planet:
>
> > On Apr 11, 8:40 pm, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> >> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> >> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> >> > China would have a population of 2,207 billion if it had the density
> >> > of Germany and the whole Earth would crumble under such demand.
> >> > of Germany and the whole Earth would crumble under such demand.
> >> > Luckily China has been smarter than you and today and only has 1,350
> >> > billion people. Good for them.
>
> >> > billion people. Good for them.
>
> >> A lot of China looks like outer Mongolia. You can't extrapolate like
> >> that. People don't live in such densities on arid steppes.
>
> > Parts of America are not very friendly either, ie. Alaska. But my point
> > is that Germany has a high population density while keeping a high
> > standard of living. America has 83 people per square mile, so that's
> > empty. I figure Holland is pretty stable even though it sustains 1046
> > people per square mile. Someone riding a bike is not nearly the same as
> > someone driving an SUV.
>
> So, who are you globalist going to kill off? Blacks? Whites? Asians?
> >> that. People don't live in such densities on arid steppes.
>
> > Parts of America are not very friendly either, ie. Alaska. But my point
> > is that Germany has a high population density while keeping a high
> > standard of living. America has 83 people per square mile, so that's
> > empty. I figure Holland is pretty stable even though it sustains 1046
> > people per square mile. Someone riding a bike is not nearly the same as
> > someone driving an SUV.
>
> Smart People? Dumb people? Anyone who gets in your way?
>
> I hear the plan is to get rid of all but 500 million people. That's some
> 6 billion or more. I want to know who's on your murder list.
Once women are educated population growth gets under control. Only
Christians live by the credo "multiply and conquer."
Wait, every Christian sect believes only them will survive Armageddon,
so I think God is the mass murderer here.
linuxgal
Apr 13, 2012, 7:54:20 AM4/13/12
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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> Once women are educated population growth gets under control. Only
> Christians live by the credo "multiply and conquer."
But the Way ensures that there's always a counterforce waiting in the
>
> Once women are educated population growth gets under control. Only
> Christians live by the credo "multiply and conquer."
wings. Those countries with high birth-rates do not have the excess
capital they need to physically conquer their neighbors. Even China,
every time they think about messing with someone abroad, soon cuts those
plans short when civil unrest arises domestically.
mind
Apr 13, 2012, 9:11:24 AM4/13/12
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TibetanMonkey wrote:
> mind wondered:
Is that, like, a koan?
What is your view of Taoism?
What is your view of Buddhism?
- thanks
> mind wondered:
>> TibetanMonkey wrote:
>> > mind wrote:
>> >> TibetanMonkey wrote:
>>
>> >> > I think you are funny.
>> >
>> > mind wrote:
>> >> TibetanMonkey wrote:
>>
>> >> > I think you are funny.
>> >
>> >> You appear to be addicted to drama.
>>
>>
>> >> >China would have a population of 2,207 billion if it had the density
>> >> >of Germany and the whole Earth would crumble under such demand.
>>
>> >> If that is your thought, your fear,
>> >> then that is the rut you have thought yourself into.
>>
>> >> Malthus may have thought along similar lines.
>> >> You appear to be a Malthusian in your thought.
>> >
>> >
>> >> >of Germany and the whole Earth would crumble under such demand.
>>
>> >> If that is your thought, your fear,
>> >> then that is the rut you have thought yourself into.
>>
>> >> Malthus may have thought along similar lines.
>> >> You appear to be a Malthusian in your thought.
>> >
>> >
>> >Yeah sure, nothing to worry about. As the weather gets Biblical...
>>
>> Sensationalism sells papers.
>> What are you promoting?
>> Aside from your fears?
>>
>> Why spread gloom and doom?
>> Why do you focus on dog shit?
>>
>>
>> Sensationalism sells papers.
>> What are you promoting?
>> Aside from your fears?
>>
>> Why spread gloom and doom?
>> Why do you focus on dog shit?
>>
>> You focus on what you focus on.
>> That is your extent.
>>
>> Is that what you think Buddhism
>> and Taoism are all about?
>>
>> What is Zen, in your view?
>
>> That is your extent.
>>
>> Is that what you think Buddhism
>> and Taoism are all about?
>>
>> What is Zen, in your view?
>
>Hey, I'm not the one preaching Armageddon...
An interesting response.
Is that, like, a koan?
What is your view of Taoism?
What is your view of Buddhism?
- thanks
mind
Apr 13, 2012, 9:26:20 AM4/13/12
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linuxgal wrote:
When rains falls, grass grows thick and lush.
Rabbits multiply, like, rabbits.
Those that feed upon rabbits multiply.
Populations expand. A rise.
This is what could be called, natural.
Some people think people aren't natural.
When rain does not fall, grass dies.
Rabbits don't have enough to eat.
Rabbits don't multiply.
Those that feed on rabbits don't multiply.
Populations shrink. A fall.
This is what could be called, natural.
Why some people think people aren't natural
might have something to do with their thinking.
It might have something to do with, "control" issues.
They may see the world as being out of control
or as something to be controlled.
The Tao Te Ching may speak to controlling the world.
The Chuang-tzu may speak about controlling the world.
The texts could hold secrets. Hidden. Esoteric.
Beyond the minds of mortal monkeys.
When people are at ease,
in good mental health,
they may be unconcerned
with trying to control
the world, or others.
When people identify
with being of this or that group,
their consciousness is limited
by this or that group.
When consciousness shifts
from being a member of a group
to being one of Being, one may then
contain all beings in one's being.
Tho individual waves might rise and fall,
an ocean remains as it ever was.
When consciousness shifts
to that which contains an ocean,
there may be realized a vast emptiness, Wu,
or Mu, or Nonbeing, in which Being rests.
Mortal monkeys may be in constant unrest.
For them, this might be only natural.
- in a notion full
Rabbits multiply, like, rabbits.
Those that feed upon rabbits multiply.
Populations expand. A rise.
This is what could be called, natural.
Some people think people aren't natural.
When rain does not fall, grass dies.
Rabbits don't have enough to eat.
Rabbits don't multiply.
Those that feed on rabbits don't multiply.
Populations shrink. A fall.
This is what could be called, natural.
Why some people think people aren't natural
might have something to do with their thinking.
It might have something to do with, "control" issues.
They may see the world as being out of control
or as something to be controlled.
The Tao Te Ching may speak to controlling the world.
The Chuang-tzu may speak about controlling the world.
The texts could hold secrets. Hidden. Esoteric.
Beyond the minds of mortal monkeys.
When people are at ease,
in good mental health,
they may be unconcerned
with trying to control
the world, or others.
When people identify
with being of this or that group,
their consciousness is limited
by this or that group.
When consciousness shifts
from being a member of a group
to being one of Being, one may then
contain all beings in one's being.
Tho individual waves might rise and fall,
an ocean remains as it ever was.
When consciousness shifts
to that which contains an ocean,
there may be realized a vast emptiness, Wu,
or Mu, or Nonbeing, in which Being rests.
Mortal monkeys may be in constant unrest.
For them, this might be only natural.
- in a notion full
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 13, 2012, 10:18:25 AM4/13/12
to
Obviously they are not about to solve the problem. That's why I'm here.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 13, 2012, 11:26:53 AM4/13/12
to
(This may look out of place here, but when we have a gerontocracy that
only concerns with Medicare issues, the fate of the world is largely
irrelevant. But the Wise Mind always finds the Truth.)
On Apr 12, 5:08 pm, dods...@webtv.net (None none) wrote:
> This is not Senior issues. All of you are NUTS, Get OFF the net .
Look what I found! Now we are on topic:
"Gerontocracy Alerts Issued for U.S. and Cuba"
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/26/gerontocracy-alerts-issued-for-us-and-cuba/
***
Everything is related in the jungle. The job of the Wise Man is to
find the relationship.
only concerns with Medicare issues, the fate of the world is largely
irrelevant. But the Wise Mind always finds the Truth.)
On Apr 12, 5:08 pm, dods...@webtv.net (None none) wrote:
> This is not Senior issues. All of you are NUTS, Get OFF the net .
Look what I found! Now we are on topic:
"Gerontocracy Alerts Issued for U.S. and Cuba"
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/26/gerontocracy-alerts-issued-for-us-and-cuba/
***
Everything is related in the jungle. The job of the Wise Man is to
find the relationship.
mind
Apr 13, 2012, 7:29:27 PM4/13/12
to
TibetanMonkey responded:
> mind inquired:
I thought you were concerned
about the planet sinking under the weight
of billions and billions of bodies of people.
As if that were something to be concerned about.
>Obviously they are not about to solve the problem. That's why I'm here.
What appears obvious to you
may make you oblivious to various solutions
to what you see as problems.
It is, to me, as if you are on fire.
You enter fire-stations and find
no solutions to your being.
You look around
and see the world on fire
without realizing that it is you.
Perhaps you seek to convert
others to your view. So they too
may be on fire. To solve what you see
as being problems. As if Earth is full.
Maybe you are, as it were, barking
up a tree without knowing the tree
has a bark of its own.
You cannot hear the tree.
Its bark makes no sound.
Would you burn down a tree for its bark?
- woof
> mind inquired:
about the planet sinking under the weight
of billions and billions of bodies of people.
As if that were something to be concerned about.
>Obviously they are not about to solve the problem. That's why I'm here.
may make you oblivious to various solutions
to what you see as problems.
It is, to me, as if you are on fire.
You enter fire-stations and find
no solutions to your being.
You look around
and see the world on fire
without realizing that it is you.
Perhaps you seek to convert
others to your view. So they too
may be on fire. To solve what you see
as being problems. As if Earth is full.
Maybe you are, as it were, barking
up a tree without knowing the tree
has a bark of its own.
You cannot hear the tree.
Its bark makes no sound.
Would you burn down a tree for its bark?
- woof
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 15, 2012, 10:52:38 AM4/15/12
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On Apr 14, 8:43 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 14/04/2012 8:55 AM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
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> > On Apr 13, 6:52 pm, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Excuse my copy& paste now:
> >> world should better be content with themselves rather than envy& emulate.
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> >> Good advice, and I agree.
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> > Not content where they stand, but to choose a different path.
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> But still not content. Why not content. I even thought that's problem
> contentment had with materialism anyway isn't it?
>
> Wow!
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> Besides what different paths would these saints have choosen -
> Materialism? Power?? Or even.... Bananas????
>
> Serious?
Bananas just give you the right path to follow when managing an
economy wisely. Here's a question:
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU GIVE A BUNCH OF BANANAS TO A BUNCH OF
MONKEYS?
Every possible political system is represented in the distribution of
the bananas among the monkeys. Having a bureaucracy managing the
bananas is socialism. The bureaucracy mismanaging the bananas is bad
socialism. Marxism is one banana per monkey, except that some monkeys
are better than others. Capitalism will make some some monkeys control
the bananas while others go hungry. Then the WISE MONKEYS must learn
to cooperate and groom each other. THERE'S BANANAS FOR ALL.
> On 14/04/2012 8:55 AM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
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> > On Apr 13, 6:52 pm, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 11/04/2012 11:05 AM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
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> >>> On Apr 10, 11:18 pm, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 09/04/2012 7:56 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
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> >>>>> On Apr 9, 6:54 pm, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 08/04/2012 8:09 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
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> >>>>>>> On Apr 8, 5:35 pm, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> >>> On Apr 10, 11:18 pm, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 09/04/2012 7:56 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
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> >>>>> On Apr 9, 6:54 pm, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 08/04/2012 8:09 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
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> >>>>>>> On Apr 8, 5:35 pm, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 08/04/2012 11:23 AM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>> "The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> >>>>>>>>> earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
> >>>>>>>>> statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
> >>>>>>>>> biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> >>>>>>>>> draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
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> >>>>>>>>>http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html...
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> >>>>>>>>> "The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> >>>>>>>>> earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
> >>>>>>>>> statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
> >>>>>>>>> biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> >>>>>>>>> draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
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> >>>>>>>>> I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> >>>>>>>>> sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> >>>>>>>>> pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> >>>>>>>>> full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> >>>>>>>>> understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> >>>>>>>>> due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> >>>>>>>>> an important part of our diet.
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> >>>>>>>>> Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> >>>>>>>>> Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> >>>>>>>>> future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
> >>>>>>>>> today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
> >>>>>>>>> use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
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> >>>>>>>>> I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> >>>>>>>>> sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> >>>>>>>>> pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> >>>>>>>>> full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> >>>>>>>>> understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> >>>>>>>>> due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> >>>>>>>>> an important part of our diet.
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> >>>>>>>>> Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> >>>>>>>>> Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> >>>>>>>>> future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
> >>>>>>>>> today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
> >>>>>>>>> use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
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> >>> Bananas and the Revolution
> >>> By Peter Schata
> >>> There is a long political history behind bananas becoming the fifth
> >>> most important food commodity in the world. They were one of the first
> >>> products where no expense was spared to create world markets for this
> >>> unmistakable fruit, turning whole countries over to banana production,
> >>> with stooge dictators controlled by the USA, in what aptly became
> >>> known as 'the banana republics'. Half a century after the big
> >>> Hollywood-style banana campaigns, the banana reflects ever more
> >>> clearly a world economic system concerned only with the kind of
> >>> 'growth' that means control of the markets and massive profits. What
> >>> happens to the environment or to the people, who produce and consume
> >>> the fruit of such intentions, appears to be irrelevant.
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> >>> In our democracies there is little self-determination, and we only
> >>> need to look at poverty and unemployment in Europe as well, to raise
> >>> doubts as to what is meant by 'free trade'. Such distortions of
> >>> language that hoodwink millions of people into accepting their lot,
> >>> need to be challenged and overturned. New language means new ideas,
> >>> new concepts. This is the revolution. We are this revolution!
>
> >>> Such a revolution is especially important if we are to find ways to
> >>> shift from the current forms of egocentric globalisation to a global
> >>> society that recognises the actual interrelatedness of all human
> >>> beings as well as our interconnectedness with the planet that supports
> >>> us.
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> >> So all things considered it may not be bad idea if most of the third
> >>> Bananas and the Revolution
> >>> By Peter Schata
> >>> There is a long political history behind bananas becoming the fifth
> >>> most important food commodity in the world. They were one of the first
> >>> products where no expense was spared to create world markets for this
> >>> unmistakable fruit, turning whole countries over to banana production,
> >>> with stooge dictators controlled by the USA, in what aptly became
> >>> known as 'the banana republics'. Half a century after the big
> >>> Hollywood-style banana campaigns, the banana reflects ever more
> >>> clearly a world economic system concerned only with the kind of
> >>> 'growth' that means control of the markets and massive profits. What
> >>> happens to the environment or to the people, who produce and consume
> >>> the fruit of such intentions, appears to be irrelevant.
>
> >>> In our democracies there is little self-determination, and we only
> >>> need to look at poverty and unemployment in Europe as well, to raise
> >>> doubts as to what is meant by 'free trade'. Such distortions of
> >>> language that hoodwink millions of people into accepting their lot,
> >>> need to be challenged and overturned. New language means new ideas,
> >>> new concepts. This is the revolution. We are this revolution!
>
> >>> Such a revolution is especially important if we are to find ways to
> >>> shift from the current forms of egocentric globalisation to a global
> >>> society that recognises the actual interrelatedness of all human
> >>> beings as well as our interconnectedness with the planet that supports
> >>> us.
>
> >> world should better be content with themselves rather than envy& emulate.
>
> >> Good advice, and I agree.
>
> > Not content where they stand, but to choose a different path.
>
> But still not content. Why not content. I even thought that's problem
> contentment had with materialism anyway isn't it?
>
> Wow!
>
> Besides what different paths would these saints have choosen -
> Materialism? Power?? Or even.... Bananas????
>
> Serious?
Bananas just give you the right path to follow when managing an
economy wisely. Here's a question:
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU GIVE A BUNCH OF BANANAS TO A BUNCH OF
MONKEYS?
Every possible political system is represented in the distribution of
the bananas among the monkeys. Having a bureaucracy managing the
bananas is socialism. The bureaucracy mismanaging the bananas is bad
socialism. Marxism is one banana per monkey, except that some monkeys
are better than others. Capitalism will make some some monkeys control
the bananas while others go hungry. Then the WISE MONKEYS must learn
to cooperate and groom each other. THERE'S BANANAS FOR ALL.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 17, 2012, 10:22:32 AM4/17/12
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On Apr 16, 6:10 pm, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> >On Apr 15, 10:26 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 15/04/2012 8:10 PM, baldeagle wrote:
> >> > On Apr 15, 11:58 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> >> > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Apr 15, 6:39 am, baldeagle<force....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > .> > Evolution is strictly on the basis of survival of the
> >> > .> > fittest, the strong and the hungry. Evolution has NO moral...
> >> > .> > has no compassion for the weak, the women, the sick
> >> > .> > nor the old..
> >> > .> Which is why we should try to be civilized and be
> >> > .> above animals.
> >> > "To be civilized"...is not necessarily being above animals.
> >> > The bees and the ants from their perspective are more
> >> > civilized than us human. Eg. Ants greet each other when
> >> > the meet ...they share the burden when the load is too
> >> > heavy...they do not kill like human because of property
> >> > or jealous or greed.
> >> Entomologist EO Wilson once famously remarked on Marxism: wonderful
> >> theory, wrong species. :)
> >> And that tells you why America can be more fitted to individualist vs,
> >> oh say, Japan or Germany, or perhaps Israel.
> >He also said this:
> >"Wilson came to believe that humans, like ants, are genetically
> >designed to live within natural limits. It is becoming increasingly
> >obvious that those limits are directly related to reduced energy use
> >and consumption of natural resources, family planning, and COOPERATION
> >among societies, rather than competition."
> >http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?ID=2005121653
> Crack open the history books though and you'll see
> that the 'cooperation' only applies within a given
> society. When two societies meet, they tend to
> fight to the death.
> And in overly large and diverse societies, internal
> cooperation isn't even guarenteed unless the king
> points a spear at everyones bellies.
Interesting thought. So the whole idea of the European Union, the
nations working together and people moving freely is opposed to human
nature.
I think it is the ELITES that give these signals --cooperation or
aggression-- and the monkeys follow. Forgive my expression of
"monkeys," but I strongly believe that human behavior is related to
animals and that it should be helped by studying animal behavior and
training.
But that's only my humble opinion.
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