Myosenji Oeshiki Fire
SunDevil2001
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1009/667563.html
I sincerely hope it was insured...
Best to all.
Kurt
<ed232e2c-acfb-4a9c...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
SunDevil2001 <sundev...@gmail.com> wrote:
You can be sure it was insured.
The Gohonzon was removed and all members were safe.
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Reginald Carpenter
Myosen-ji Oeshiki Fire, 10/11/09
1) The local channel 7 news story on 10/12/09 was titled, "Over 200
evacuated after Maryland Buddhist temple fire." It briefly stated that,
"Fire officials say the blaze was reported shortly after noon, Sunday,
by a member at the Nichiren Shoshu Myosen-ji Buddhist temple on
University Blvd West."
2) The Washington Post had two news stories & photos about the incident
on 10/12/09:
"Montgomery Buddhist Temple catches fire during service", and
"Firefighters remove debris at Nichiren Shoshu Temple".
3) The NST-Myosen-ji website has a statement posted on it: "Temple is
temporarily closed."
"During the Oeshiki ceremony on Sunday, Oct 11, 2009, we experienced a
fire that has caused extensive damage to the temple. We had more than
220 members in attendance, but all were safely evacuated with no
injuries. The Joju Gohonzon was also safely evacuated. But the smoke,
water and fire damage to the building requires that the temple be closed
for some time. We have no more details at this point."
WorldPeace! }:<{0 .
Judy Scobee
= Judy =
Judy Scobee
= Judy =
M
> Could it have been arson (deliberatly set)??
>
> = Judy =
>
>
>
No, it was carelessness. The bullshit the SGI is spreading about it is
disgusting.
M
M
> Any idea how the fire started???
>
> = Judy =
>
>
>
Incense ashes that weren't completely extinguished were placed in a
closet behind the Butsudon and caught fire.
M
Kurt
Judith...@webtv.net (Judy Scobee) wrote:
> Could it have been arson (deliberatly set)??
>
> = Judy =
>
>
No, there had been a private memorial service held earlier. The incense
burner had not been completely extinguished when it was put away in the
storage area.
Kurt
wrote:
What are they saying?
Reginald Carpenter
Re: Myosen-ji Oeshiki Fire, 10/11/09
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
Date: Thu, Oct 15, 2009, 1:40pm (PDT+9)
From: M <m...@nospam.com>
Judy Scobee wrote:
Could it have been arson (deliberately set)??
= Judy =
---------------------------------------------------
M wrote:
No, it was carelessness. The bullshit the SGI is spreading about it is
disgusting.
M
---------------------------------------------------
RC comments: Well, I have to disagree with you on both statements -- 1)
it really was NOT "carelessness"; it was conscientiousness that caused
an accident; and 2) the SGI officially is really NOT spreading anything
about the fire - I saw two SGI leaders who are involved with the "Soka
Spirit" campaign last Wednesday, 10/14/09, and they said not a word
about it to me. So, what you have apparently read on the "SGI
Unofficial" website is just the facts about the fire and a few rather
mild personal comments made by some people re. ceremonies & "barbeques".
So far, none of the comments made have been directly critical of the NST
priests or laity or placed any blame on anyone for the fire as I was
inclined to do myself when I first found out about the fire. Anyway, I
think that the focus of this should be about the members of the temple
and not what anybody else thinks about the incident. Think about the
members who have been involved with & supporting the temple for 20 to 30
years and all of their gokuyo & volunteer work at the temple. Then,
they drive to the temple from all over the southeast part of the USA,
some bringing shakubukus, and arrive there on the day of the Oeshiki
ceremony to see it catch on fire during the ceremony when the "Rissho
Ankokuron" is being read and it's almost nearly totally destroyed.
Now, that's what's really "disgusting." "How pitiful, how pitiful!" -
Nichiren Daishonin. WorldPeace! }:<{0
Reginald Carpenter
Re: Myosen-ji Oeshiki Fire, 10/11/09
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
From: M <m...@nospam.com>
Judy Scobee wrote:
Any idea how the fire started???
= Judy =
---------------------------------------------------
M wrote:
Incense ashes that weren't completely extinguished were placed in a
closet behind the Butsudan and caught fire.
M
---------------------------------------------------
RC comments: Well, that's probably something that they have been doing
there for years - putting & storing the side altar incense burner inside
that closet - but, apparently this time, it accidentally got knocked
over and set the floor carpet and other combustible material in the
closet on fire. Incense burns at a very high temperature and all it
takes is a spark to start a fire. No-thing [Zen] & Nobody is exempt from
the law of cause/ effect. WorldPeace! }:<{0
Reginald Carpenter
Re: Myosen-ji Oeshiki Fire, 10/11/09
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
From: Kurt <labo...@spacegmail.com>
In article <12521-4AD...@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>,
Judith...@webtv.net (Judy Scobee) wrote:
Could it have been arson (deliberately set)??
= Judy =
---------------------------------------------------
Kurt wrote:
No, there had been a private memorial service held earlier. The incense
burner had not been completely extinguished when it was put away in the
storage area.
---------------------------------------------------
RC comments: What you're really trying NOT to say is that incense was
still burning in the incense burner after the memorial service when it
was put away in the closet/ storage area to clear the side altar for the
Oeshiki ceremony when that incense burner was NOT going to be used.
Well, that explains how the fire got started to me: that kind of
incense burner for the memorial incense gets very hot and was meant to
hold heat a long time. It's made of earthenware, NOT metal, and is like
a little round pot w/ legs, and it's supposed to be placed on a hard
surface/ table to burn the incense. It should have been removed &
placed on another hard surface if incense was still burning in it. They
had probably been doing that for almost 29 years, putting it on the old
carpet floor in the closet and 999 times out of a 1,000, No-thing [Zen]
ever happened, but this one time it did, setting the old carpet floor
and other combustible material on fire in the closet. Although it was
an unfortunate accident, No-thing [Zen] & Nobody is exempt from the law
Kurt
chiefst...@msn.com (Reginald Carpenter) wrote:
The good thing is that the temple is insured and a building is simply a
building - it can be rebuilt - and most likely, even better than it was
before.
It's all good.
Kurt
chiefst...@msn.com (Reginald Carpenter) wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Kurt wrote:
>
> No, there had been a private memorial service held earlier. The incense
> burner had not been completely extinguished when it was put away in the
> storage area.
> ---------------------------------------------------
> RC comments: What you're really trying NOT to say is that incense was
> still burning in the incense burner after the memorial service when it
Of course the incense was still burning. LOL
Reginald Carpenter
Re: Myosen-ji Oeshiki Fire, 10/11/09
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
From: Kurt <labo...@spacegmail.com>
Judy Scobee wrote:
drive to the temple from all over the southeastern part of the USA, some
bringing shakubukus, and arrive there on the day of the Oeshiki ceremony
to see it catch on fire during the ceremony when the "Rissho Ankokuron"
is being read and it's almost nearly totally destroyed. Now, that's
what's really "disgusting." "How pitiful, how pitiful!" - Nichiren
Daishonin. WorldPeace! }:<{0
---------------------------------------------------
Kurt wrote:
The good thing is that the temple is insured and a building is simply a
building - it can be rebuilt - and most likely, even better than it was
before.
It's all good.
---------------------------------------------------
RC replies: The best thing is that No one was injured in the fire. The
"good thing" is that they can take the insurance money & build a new
temple in another location. I'm not sure that it should be rebuilt -
the 1980 design of the temple is old and its NOT as safe as it should be
in the year 2009. For example, there was only one exit door in the Joju
Gohonzon hall/ room near the closet where the fire started, and there
was No automatic sprinkler system or smoke detectors inside room or main
hallway. So, the safest way for the members to exit was back thru the
double doors at the entrance to the Joju Gohonzon room and thru the
hallway and out through the front doors with the fire following behind
them. Its a good thing that Nobody panicked and trampled on anybody
else exiting the room. Aside from the decision about rebuilding or
relocating the temple, the NS Head Temple should decide to replace the
current chief priest & assistant priest with Somebody who's got good
common sense and is more concerned with the members lives & safety than
with just performing the ceremonies. That's what would be "all good"
for the members and eventual new temple.
WorldPeace! }:<{0
Reginald Carpenter
Re: Myosen-ji Oeshiki Fire, 10/11/09
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
From: Kurt <labo...@spacegmail.com>
In article <2583-4ADE...@baytvnwsxa002.msntv.msn.com>,
chiefst...@msn.com (Reginald Carpenter) wrote:
---------------------------------------------------
Kurt wrote:
No, there had been a private memorial service held earlier. The incense
burner had not been completely extinguished when it was put away in the
storage area.
---------------------------------------------------
RC comments: What you're really trying NOT to say is that incense was
still burning in the incense burner after the memorial service when it
---------------------------------------------------
Kurt wrote:
Of course the incense was still burning. LOL
---------------------------------------------------
RC replies: Well, that's the real truth of the matter, not the bullsh*t
lie that you're telling, saying that "the incense burner had not been
completely extinguished", because there was No attempt made to
extinguish it - there never is; the incense burner is always just left
somewhere to burn itself out. Nice try though, trying to cover Up the
priests' mistake & their STUPIDITY! LOL. WorldPeace! }:<{0
Kurt
chiefst...@msn.com (Reginald Carpenter) wrote:
Always assuming something that isn't. Love you anyway.
Kurt
chiefst...@msn.com (Reginald Carpenter) wrote:
How about replacing the whiner.
LOL
Reginald Carpenter
Re: Myosen-ji Oeshiki Fire, 10/11/09
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
From: Kurt <labo...@spacegmail.com>
---------------------------------------------------
Kurt wrote:
Always assuming something that isn't. Love you anyway.
---------------------------------------------------
RC replies: "What's Love Got To Do With It?" - Tina Turner. There's No
"assuming" anything; it's just the truth. Never have I ever seen or
heard of an incense burner being put into the closet while it was still
burning by anyone at my local NSTemple, Myogyo-ji, from 1981 to 2002.
If I had, I would have told the FooL just how dangerous dong that could
be and NOT to do it. Straight Up! But, Y2002 was the year that Chief
Priest Murata was assigned there and I Stopped going to the temple, so I
don't know if he ever started doing that there or not. Thank goodness
he got transferred to NST - Myosen-ji before anything like that happened
at Myogyo-ji. Chanting works - I chanted for him to leave, and am glad
that I did. So, try to cover Up for those FooLs as much as you can, but
the truth will always be revealed about the priest-hoods, Mister Kurt!
LOL. WorldPeace! }:<{0
Reginald Carpenter
Re: Myosen-ji Oeshiki Fire, 10/11/09
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
From: Kurt <labo...@spacegmail.com>
---------------------------------------------------
Kurt wrote:
How about replacing the whiner.
LOL
---------------------------------------------------
RC replies: Surely you jest, Mister Kurt! And, you certainly have
never been inside a building on fire as many times as old Stoney (me) in
my life, that is, if you've ever been in one. It ain't no joke.
Innocent lives could easily have been lost or critically injured in that
Myosen-ji fire, and the priests & Head Temple should take
responsibility for that. You got a negligent chief priest Murata who's
own son drowned at Myogyo-ji temple in May 2003, and he LIED about it to
avoid taking responsibility for that; and now on Oct 12th, 2009, over
200 members' lives are put in jeopardy in a fire at his temple,
Myosen-ji, by his practice of putting a burning, hot incense burner in a
closet - a practice heretofore unheard of at any other NSTemple, and he
won't take responsibility for that either. I knew that he was going to
f*ck Up again when he was transferred away from Myogyo-ji, just as I
chanted for him to be, but I never imagined that he would cause
something like the nearly total destruction of the temple! My opinion
is that his arrogant & ignorant, very low life conditioned, sorry
Dumb-ass should have been replaced and sent back to Japan over five (5)
years ago. And, you can tell Rev. "TT" and the so called 68th high
priest that I said so. Kurt.
WorldPeace! }:<{0
Reginald Carpenter
Re: Myosen-ji Oeshiki Fire, 10/11/09
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
From: Reginald Carpenter <chiefst...@msn.com>
Re: Myosen-ji Oeshiki Fire, 10/11/09
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
Date: Thu, Oct 22, 2009, 10:03am
From: Kurt <labo...@spacegmail.com>
In article <24821-4AD...@baytvnwsxa001.msntv.msn.com>,
chiefst...@msn.com (Reginald Carpenter) wrote:
Re: Myosen-ji Oeshiki Fire, 10/11/09
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
Date: Wed, Oct 21, 2009, 8:55am
From: Kurt <labo...@spacegmail.com>
In article <2583-4ADE...@baytvnwsxa002.msntv.msn.com>,
chiefst...@msn.com (Reginald Carpenter) wrote:
----------------------------------------------
Kurt wrote:
No, there had been a private memorial service held earlier. The incense
burner had not been completely extinguished when it was put away in the
storage area.
----------------------------------------------
RC comments: What you're really trying NOT to say is that incense was
still burning in the incense burner after the memorial service when it
----------------------------------------------
Kurt wrote:
Of course the incense was still burning. LOL
----------------------------------------------
RC replies: Well, that's the real truth of the matter, not the bullsh*t
lie that you're telling, saying that "the incense burner had not been
completely extinguished", because there was No attempt made to
extinguish it - there never is; the incense burner is always just left
somewhere to burn itself out. Nice try though, trying to cover Up the
priests' mistake & their STUPIDITY! LOL. WorldPeace! }:<{0
----------------------------------------------
Kurt wrote:
Always assuming something that isn't. Love you anyway.
----------------------------------------------
RC replies: "What's Love Got To Do With It?" - Tina Turner. There's No
"assuming" anything; it's just the truth. Never have I ever seen or
heard of an incense burner being put into the closet while it was still
burning by anyone at my local NSTemple, Myogyo-ji, from 1981 to 2002. If
I had, I would have told the FooL just how dangerous doing that could be
and NOT to do it. Straight Up! But, Y2002 was the year that Chief Priest
Murata was assigned there and I Stopped going to the temple, so I don't
know if he ever started doing that there or not. Thank goodness he got
transferred to NST - Myosen-ji before anything like that happened at
Myogyo-ji. Chanting works - I chanted for him to leave, and am glad that
I did. So, try to cover Up for those FooLs as much as you can, but the
truth will always be revealed about the NaSTy priest-hoods, Mister Kurt!
LOL.
WorldPeace! }:<{0
Reedited & reposted 10/23/09
Reginald Carpenter
Re: Myosen-ji Oeshiki Fire, 10/11/09
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
From: Kurt <labo...@spacegmail.com>
In article <24821-4AD...@baytvnwsxa001.msntv.msn.com>,
chiefst...@msn.com (Reginald Carpenter) wrote:
Re: Myosen-ji Oeshiki Fire, 10/11/09
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
Date: Thu, Oct 15, 2009, 1:40pm (PDT+9)
From: M <m...@nospam.com>
Judy Scobee wrote:
Could it have been arson (deliberately set)??
= Judy =
----------------------------------------------
M wrote:
No, it was carelessness. The bullshit the SGI is spreading about it is
disgusting.
M
----------------------------------------------
RC comments: Well, I have to disagree with you on both statements -- 1)
it really was NOT "carelessness"; it was conscientiousness that caused
an accident; and 2) the SGI officially is really NOT spreading anything
about the fire - I saw two SGI leaders who are involved with the "Soka
Spirit" campaign last Wednesday, 10/14/09, and they said not a word
about it to me. So, what you have apparently read on the "SGI
Unofficial" website is just the facts about the fire and a few rather
mild personal comments made by some people re. ceremonies & "barbeques".
So far, none of the comments made have been directly critical of the NST
priests or laity or placed any blame on anyone for the fire as I was
inclined to do myself when I first found out about the fire. Anyway, I
think that the focus of this should be about the members of the temple
and not what anybody else thinks about the incident. Think about the
members who have been involved with & supporting the temple for 20 to 30
years and all of their gokuyo & volunteer work at the temple. Then, they
drive to the temple from all over the southeast part of the USA, some
bringing shakubukus, and arrive there on the day of the Oeshiki ceremony
to see it catch on fire during the ceremony when the "Rissho Ankokuron"
is being read and it's almost nearly totally destroyed. Now, that's
what's really "disgusting." "How pitiful, how pitiful!" - Nichiren
Daishonin. WorldPeace! }:<{0
---------------------------------------------------
Kurt wrote:
The good thing is that the temple is insured and a building is simply a
building - it can be rebuilt - and most likely, even better than it was
before.
It's all good.
---------------------------------------------------
RC replies: Well, I already wrote a previous message to you about that
"good thing" and "all good" view of yours, Kurt. But, today I have some
new info about that.
1). Re. the temple being insured, it is/ was probably NOT insured enough
to cover what was reported in the Washington Post as $800,000.00 in
damages from the fire. The temple building & property did NOT cost
that much in 1980 when it was built & opened and first insured. Unless
the property insurance was increased over the past 29 years, the temple
can NOT be rebuilt as it was for that amount of insurance money in
Y2009.
2). The building & fire codes in that locality, Montgomery County &
Silver Spring, MD have been changed and there are wooden structures of
the old temple that can NOT be replaced and that have to be
reconstructed with metal parts to comply with the new codes; and, that
will add at least an estimated $200,000.00 to the rebuilding & repair
costs. And, I already told you that the old temple did NOT have a
modern water sprinkler system or fire & smoke detection system in it
which costs even more to install in old building than in a new one. So,
now the rebuilding & repair cost involved is over one million to 1.5
million dollars in Y2009.
I seriously doubt that the temple carried insurance on it for that
amount.
3). FYI - the SGI "Soka Spirit" group is strong down there and they've
been doing an investigation of the fire & temple since the day it
happened - the above info in #2 came indirectly from one of their
members/ leaders.
They don't like what they've heard about some temple members trying to
blame the design of the temple building on the old NSA/ Soka Gakkai as
the reason for the severity of the fire, instead of acknowledging how
the fire got started & who was responsible for it and the fact that the
temple was very largely made of wood that had gotten very old & dry, of
course.
4). Meanwhile, the temple has taken down the brief info about the fire
that it had on its website, and No priest has taken any responsibility
for causing it or even apologized for it, 12 days after the fire. So,
I'm betting that they/ NSTemple is just going to take the insurance
money & run and say "bye, bye" to the Myosen-ji temple members who have
mixed emotions & various opinions about whether or not to rebuild the
temple, especially there! LOL. WorldPeace! }:<{0
Kurt
chiefst...@msn.com (Reginald Carpenter) wrote:
> RC replies: Well, I already wrote a previous message to you about that
> "good thing" and "all good" view of yours, Kurt. But, today I have some
> new info about that.
You don't have "new" info. You only project your own anger you have for
the temple. The SGI has "investigated?" LOL
Speculation and innuendo.
Sour grapes.
All building fires either start accidentally or from arson.
M
Or carelessness.
M
Kurt
M <m...@nojunk.com.invalid> wrote:
How is that different from accidentally?
Reginald Carpenter
Re: Myosen-ji Oeshiki Fire, 10/11/09
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
From: Kurt <labo...@spacegmail.com>
In article <2583-4AE3...@baytvnwsxa002.msntv.msn.com>,
chiefst...@msn.com (Reginald Carpenter) wrote:
RC replies: Well, I already wrote a previous message to you about that
"good thing" and "all good" view of yours, Kurt. But, today I have some
new info about that.
---------------------------------------------------
Kurt wrote:
You don't have "new" info. You only project your own anger you have for
the temple. The SGI has "investigated?" LOL Speculation and innuendo.
Sour grapes.
All building fires either start accidentally or from arson.
---------------------------------------------------
RC replies: What's "anger" got to do with it?! The facts are the facts
and the truth is the truth. 1). The fact is that it has been fifteen
(15) days since the fire occurred, and Nobody at the temple has
acknowledged being responsibility for causing it or apologized to the
NSHokkeko members for that. 2). The fact is that the NaSTy priest-hoods
have NOT issued any kind of statement regarding the rebuilding of the
temple that they almost totally destroyed, so that idea is really
No-thing [Zen] but "speculation & innuendo" that your cover-Up messages
for the priests are designed to perpetrate on people. 3). And, the fact
is that they/ the priests never really put any real money into even
taking care of the required maintenance & Upkeep of the temple and
always relied on the volunteer efforts of the members first for doing
any repairs or renovations there. As a matter of fact, in the 1990s,
the roof over the Joju Gohonzon room used to leak so bad when it rained
and they wouldn't hire a professional roofing company to repair or
replace it. Some members had to fix the problem by doing a patch job on
it themselves. All the priests ever did was pay the bills for the
temple and take everything that was left after that from the members
contributions to pay the priests' salaries.
Anyway, for all of the facts & reasons I already wrote in my previous
message as well as the silence of the priest-hoods about the matter, I'm
willing to bet you that NST - Myosen-ji will NOT be rebuilt the same as
it was there, Mister Kurt. WorldPeace! }:<{0
SunDevil2001
wrote:
> I'm
> willing to bet you that NST - Myosen-ji will NOT be rebuilt the same as
> it was there, Mister Kurt. WorldPeace! }:<{0
Perhaps.
But maybe they had replacement cost insurance. No one was hurt, the
temple received publicity on the front page of the Metro section that
can not be bought, and this is the perfect time to rebuild, since
contractors are at an extremely low cost due to the recession. A lot
of 'positives' are possible.
China Blu
Attitude, something our priests could improve immensely.
M
Reginald Carpenter
Re: Myosen-ji Oeshiki Fire, 10/11/09
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
From: SunDevil2001 <sundev...@gmail.com>
On Oct 26, 1:55�am, chiefstoneea...@msn.com (Reginald Carpenter)
wrote:
I'm willing to bet you that NST - Myosen-ji will NOT be rebuilt the
same as it was there, Mister Kurt. �WorldPeace! �}:<{0
---------------------------------------------------
SunDevil wrote:
Perhaps. But maybe they had replacement cost insurance. No one was
hurt, the temple received publicity on the front page of the Metro
section that can not be bought, and this is the perfect time to rebuild,
since contractors are at an extremely low cost due to the recession. A
lot of 'positives' are possible.
---------------------------------------------------
RC replies: Well, I agree with you, "SD." And, thank you for
initiating this thread and notifying Arbn readers about the incident as
quickly as you did. You've always been a honest & reasonable person on
this ng - newsgroup and you face reality as it is.
1). We can hope that the temple had "replacement cost" insurance, but
you as a member of that temple, I believe, know just what I was talking/
writing about re. the roof issue - when water was coming down right
inside the Joju Gohonzon room, and some members took it Upon themselves
to deal with that problem & fix it back then in the late 1990s. So, I
doubt that the priests paid any attention to the matter of adequately
increasing the temple's insurance coverage.
2). Re. contractors, they're so desperate for jobs that they are
offering work to be done at half the labor cost or even free labor here
in the Midwest where it ain't the best! I can only imagine what the
competition & recession is like in the temple's market area.
FYI - the reason that I am so interested in what happened to NST -
Myosen-ji is that I was a member of that temple, on paper, from 1971 to
1980 when I joined NSA/ Soka Gakkai in Chicago, ILL. It was designated
as our local temple in Washington, DC until we finally got our new
temple built in 1980-81. However, I never saw or visited it until 1996
when our former chief priest, S. Kawabe, was transferred there, and I
took he & his family some personal property that they had left in
Chicago when they moved that they were unable to pack or take with them
at the time. And, I would visit there when I was taking my daughter
back & forth to college at Howard University in Washington, DC from
2003-2008 until she graduated TTL - "Thank the Laude"! LOL. So, I
still considered that to be my first local temple, and I got attached to
that place and some of the members that I knew there; but, NOT to the
priests; of course NOT! LOL.
Anyway, if some time down the line the temple members decide that they
need to raise funds to build a new temple there or somewhere else, I
will be glad to contribute with them/ you all for that cause. Because,
I know that you all certainly did NOT deserve what happened to the
temple that y'all had been taking care of so well for so long all those
years. Now, that's what really makes me angry and is so d-a-m-ned
disgusting to old Stoney (me). WorldPeace! }:<{0
Reginald Carpenter
Re: Myosen-ji Oeshiki Fire, 10/11/09
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
From: Reginald Carpenter <chiefst...@msn.com>
Re: Myosen-ji Oeshiki Fire, 10/11/09
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
Date: Mon, Oct 26, 2009, 2:56am
From: SunDevil2001 <sundev...@gmail.com>
On Oct 26, 1:55�am, chiefstoneea...@msn.com (Reginald Carpenter)
wrote:
I'm willing to bet you that NST - Myosen-ji will NOT be rebuilt the same
as it was there, Mister Kurt. �WorldPeace! �}:<{0
----------------------------------------------
SunDevil wrote:
Perhaps. But maybe they had replacement cost insurance. No one was hurt,
the temple received publicity on the front page of the Metro section
that can not be bought, and this is the perfect time to rebuild, since
contractors are at an extremely low cost due to the recession. A lot of
'positives' are possible.
----------------------------------------------
RC replies: Well, I agree with you, "SD." And, thank you for initiating
this thread and notifying Arbn readers about the incident as quickly as
you did. You've always been a honest & reasonable person on this ng -
newsgroup and you face reality as it is. 1). We can hope that the temple
had "replacement cost" insurance, but you as a member of that temple, I
believe, know just what I was talking/ writing about re. the roof issue
- when water was coming down right inside the Joju Gohonzon room, and
some members took it Upon themselves to deal with that problem & fix it
back then in the late 1990s. So, I doubt that the priests paid any
attention to the matter of adequately increasing the temple's insurance
coverage. 2). Re. contractors, they're so desperate for jobs that they
are offering work to be done at half the labor cost or even free labor
here in the Midwest where it ain't the best! I can only imagine what the
competition & recession is like in the temple's market area. FYI - the
reason that I am so interested in what happened to NST - Myosen-ji is
that I was a member of that temple, on paper, from 1971 to 1980 when I
joined NSA/ Soka Gakkai in Chicago, ILL. It was designated as our local
temple in Washington, DC until we finally got our new temple built in
1980-81. However, I never saw or visited it until 1996 when our former
chief priest, S. Kawabe, was transferred there, and I took him & his
family some personal property that they had left in Chicago when they
moved that they were unable to pack or take with them at the time. And,
I would visit there when I was taking my daughter back & forth to
college at Howard University in Washington, DC from 2003-2008 until she
graduated TTL - "Thank the Laude"! LOL. So, I still considered that to
be my first local temple, and I got attached to that place and some of
the members that I knew there; but, NOT to the priests; of course NOT!
LOL.
Anyway, if some time down the line the temple members decide that they
need to raise funds to build a new temple there or somewhere else, I
will be glad to contribute with them/ you all for that cause. Because, I
know that you all certainly did NOT deserve what happened to the temple
that y'all had been taking care of so well for so long all those years.
Now, that's what really makes me angry and is so d-a-m-ned disgusting to
old Stoney (me). WorldPeace! }:<{0
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RC replies: In addition to my above message, I just remembered that the
first chief priest Iwaki of Myosen-ji used to come to Chicago and
performed the Gojukai & Gohonzon ceremonies in the 1970s. A couple of
my shakubukus received that from him in the early 1970s. And, he came
to Chicago and conducted the Buddhist marriage ceremony for my wife & I
in June, 1979. Now, he has a son who is the current chief priest of NST
- Myogyo-ji in the Chicago area. WorldPeace! }:<{0
SunDevil2001
wrote:
Thank you for the kind words, and congrats on your daughters
graduation form one of our esteemed institutions of higher learning. I
know what that is like, having two daughters graduate from Arizona
State in recent years. So yes...TTL - "Thank the Laude"! and Woot!
But no, I have not visited the local NST temple. I saw the article
when I picked up my Monday Morning Washington Post (MMWP). Since this
is a newsgroup, I thought the news appropriate to post. Hope things
work out okay in that regard, and it's great that no one was hurt.
Also hope that all is well with you in the Windy City.
And maybe Jay Cutler will be better this week @ home against the
Browns.
8-)