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Tim

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Apr 12, 2002, 5:03:45 PM4/12/02
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c

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Apr 12, 2002, 5:18:06 PM4/12/02
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That's nothin.
Here is a website showing pictures of the house I used
to live in...

http://indianaghosts.homestead.com/files/ghstpic2.htm

Not a joke.

C

Michelle

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Apr 12, 2002, 11:03:34 PM4/12/02
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Wow! That's really creepy!!! Well, now that I'm alone in the house,
I'll be whistling in the dark, and staying up very, very late! Eeks!

Michelle

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c

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Apr 12, 2002, 11:47:52 PM4/12/02
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Michelle-
check out the book "Haunted Indiana" ...
they have a full chapter on our old house. What's really
creepy is that things have become much worse there in
the past few years. I spoke with the owners wife a couple
years ago and she told me that one day, her 3 year old son
atrtled her by jumping into her arms from the 4th or 5th step
up on the stairs when she summoned him to come downstairs.
When she told him it was dangerous to do that, he replied:
"But me and Mr Shadow play that game all the time"
<Shudder!!!>
The previous occupant that bought it from my mom (the father of the
mother I sopoke of above), at some point decided that he would
not be anywhere in that house without his hunting rifle within reach
at all times. I spoke to him 5 years or so before I spoke with his
daughter, when he had only lived there a few years. He started having
strange experiences just a few weeks after moving in. Loud crashing
noises down stairs at 2 or 3 AM- but upon investigation, nothing has
been disturbed. Voices talking and laughing starting out very faint, but
getting loud enough to make him check out what's going on (nothing
as usual). That was one of the creepiest things I experienced but I like
to think I was just having one of those half-awake dreams... LOL

I've had several weird experiences there as have most family
and neighborhood visitors over the years. Examples range from
accidentally dropping a lit cigarette, and it is nowhere to be found
to *carrots* dropping on people's heads out of nowhere. I'm not
joking. I won't get into the more intense strangeness that I and others
have witnessed out of fear of being called looney... ( :

C

MystO...@aol.com (Michelle) wrote:
>Wow! That's really creepy!!! Well, now that I'm alone in the house,
>I'll be whistling in the dark, and staying up very, very late! Eeks!
>Michelle

>> That's nothin.

dc

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Apr 13, 2002, 3:53:24 AM4/13/02
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That was one of the creepiest things I experienced but I like
to think I was just having one of those half-awake dreams... LOL

I've had several weird experiences there as have most family
and neighborhood visitors over the years. Examples range from
accidentally dropping a lit cigarette, and it is nowhere to be found
to *carrots* dropping on people's heads out of nowhere. I'm not
joking. I won't get into the more intense strangeness that I and others
have witnessed out of fear of being called looney... ( :

C

MystO...@aol.com (Michelle) wrote:
>Wow! That's really creepy!!! Well, now that I'm alone in the house,
>I'll be whistling in the dark, and staying up very, very late! Eeks!
>Michelle

>> That's nothin.
>> Here is a website showing pictures of the house I used
>> to live in...
>> http://indianaghosts.homestead.com/files/ghstpic2.htm
>> Not a joke.
>> C<<<<<<<<<<

And Craig ridicules Uri Geller?


Examples range from
accidentally dropping a lit cigarette, and it is nowhere to be found
to *carrots* dropping on people's heads out of nowhere.<<<<<<<<<

And of course this isn't stoner behavior?

AH, Whats up Doc.

dc

dc


MsTickleyMe

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Apr 13, 2002, 4:04:48 AM4/13/02
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Oh I thought you said you were open minded dc?

lol

thought so

dc

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Apr 13, 2002, 4:12:30 AM4/13/02
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Oh I thought you said you were open minded dc?

lol

thought so<<<<<

I am openminded not insane. and gullible.

i don't have bats in the bellfry and I am not ignorant about reality.

dc


doppelganger

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Apr 13, 2002, 6:05:05 AM4/13/02
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()c() wrote in message news:<3cb7a2d9....@news.netnitco.net>...

I must have missed your first discussion about this. I really
thought I could see a few more faces in those windows....very strange
if the ghosts come up to the window because they are curious or lonely
and peer out and have their photo taken...makes them sound like they
are able to think and move around...i thought ghosts were after
images, manefestations that appeared under certain conditions... I've
heard some interesting civil war ghost manifestations. Very
interesting.... and scarey....carrots falling on people's
heads....weird....did you live there as a child???? or after you were
practicing...i'm wondering if the Daimoku would make "them " rest in
peace.
I want to hear more of your experience...promise I won't think you're
looney.
d

Michelle

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Apr 13, 2002, 8:29:44 AM4/13/02
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I've had "some" experiences with "hauntings", but yours take the
prize! Where we live now, my husband works evenings, and I hear
footsteps all the time, up and down the stairs, or if I'm downstairs,
I hear them back and forth in the bedroom. That's the worst of it, and
I want it to stay that way. LOL. I have no problem believing in souls
being "lost" but they still give me the creeps! I will check out that
book when I get the chance, but I'll make sure I don't read it at
night! (Have you seen the movie "The Others" with Nicole Kidman?
Really gives you a different perspective on ghosts and hauntings.

Michelle


()c() wrote in message news:<3cb7a2d9....@news.netnitco.net>...

RJD

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Apr 13, 2002, 10:31:03 AM4/13/02
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On 13 Apr 2002 03:05:05 -0700, doppelg...@worldnet.att.net
(doppelganger) wrote:

>i thought ghosts were after
>images, manefestations that appeared under certain conditions... I've
>heard some interesting civil war ghost manifestations.

>i'm wondering if the Daimoku would make "them " rest in peace.

My impression is that ghosts are just left over energy of some sort
and not really a peculiar phenomena.

I just thought you'd like to hear this one though:

I used to work in an old rennovated house years ago that was built in
the 1800's that apparently someone had been murdered in. People
working there had heard terrifying sounds coming from the basement at
all hours of the night. I chanted for a whole week in that house
while on duty during the night, to rest the deceased and move it on
to its next journey.

The sounds and eerie atmosphere disappeared shortly afterwards and a
peaceful atmosphere returned..

Cody

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Apr 13, 2002, 10:30:11 AM4/13/02
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"RJD" wrote ..

> On 13 Apr 2002 03:05:05 -0700,

I had a similar experience in Mexico. I was living in a very old building
that had been used by the Mexican military when they were fighting the
Americans in the Mexican American war. Every night we could hear someone
walking up and down the stairs. 30 of us heard it. I got all 30 to go to my
Gohonzon and chant about ten minutes of Daimoku. We never heard the foot
steps again.

At the first temple in D.C., there was a ghost as well. When the priest
showed up and the Gohonzon arrived, we asked Rev. Iwaki about it. He said he
chanted one Daimoku and the ghost was gone.

Moral of these stories: chant and the ghosts go away.

Cody


Michelle

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Apr 13, 2002, 11:04:09 AM4/13/02
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Dave, it is obvious that you never encountered any "ghostly"
occurances. No need to ridicule those who have.
Michelle

"dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:<UtRt8.4272$711.228...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>...

RJD

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Apr 13, 2002, 1:44:54 PM4/13/02
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On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:30:11 +0200, "Cody" <mc...@ono.net> wrote:


>I had a similar experience in Mexico. I was living in a very old building
>that had been used by the Mexican military when they were fighting the
>Americans in the Mexican American war. Every night we could hear someone
>walking up and down the stairs. 30 of us heard it. I got all 30 to go to my
>Gohonzon and chant about ten minutes of Daimoku. We never heard the foot
>steps again.
>
>At the first temple in D.C., there was a ghost as well. When the priest
>showed up and the Gohonzon arrived, we asked Rev. Iwaki about it. He said he
>chanted one Daimoku and the ghost was gone.
>
>Moral of these stories: chant and the ghosts go away.

I agree.
However, the strangest thing about my 'encounter' was that I didnt
really encounter anything at all. Everyone else seemed to be hearing
these noises and feel the atmospheres - except me. At that time I was
very involved in a lot of hours of chanting for various reasons, so
perhaps that was the protective barrier I dunno.

I put a lot of this stuff down to unnecessary superstition also since
it created a collective fear among everyone working there - except me.

I reckon the Priest was right - one daimoku - and poof!
There is nothing to fear except fear itself....

rjd

c

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Apr 13, 2002, 1:48:39 PM4/13/02
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>On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:30:11 +0200, "Cody" <mc...@ono.net> wrote:
>>I had a similar experience in Mexico. I was living in a very old building
>>that had been used by the Mexican military when they were fighting the
>>Americans in the Mexican American war. Every night we could hear someone
>>walking up and down the stairs. 30 of us heard it. I got all 30 to go to my
>>Gohonzon and chant about ten minutes of Daimoku. We never heard the foot
>>steps again.
>>At the first temple in D.C., there was a ghost as well. When the priest
>>showed up and the Gohonzon arrived, we asked Rev. Iwaki about it. He said he
>>chanted one Daimoku and the ghost was gone.
>>Moral of these stories: chant and the ghosts go away.

Years later, I stayed in my old house right before my mom sold it in 1986,
and that's exactly what I did. After that it was quiet... until the new owners
moved in anyway!

C

Derek N.P.F. Juhl

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Apr 13, 2002, 1:50:51 PM4/13/02
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MystO...@aol.com (Michelle) wrote in message news:<2ee6e2ce.02041...@posting.google.com>...

> Have you seen the movie "The Others" with Nicole Kidman?

I haven't seen that picture, but I will when it comes out on DVD.

Some of my favourite films for invoking the heebee-jeebies:

The Changeling, starring George C. Scott
Angel Heart, starring Mickey Rourke and Lisa Bonet (kind of corny, but
set in New Orleans, which is creepy in itself)
Ghost Story, starring several old farts whom I can't remember at the
moment

Derek N.P.F. Juhl

doppelganger

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Apr 13, 2002, 4:49:54 PM4/13/02
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richard...@ntlworld.com (RJD) wrote in message news:<3cb83f52...@News.ntlworld.com>...

> .
>
> My impression is that ghosts are just left over energy of some sort
> and not really a peculiar phenomena.
> Richard,
> yes that's what I was trying to explain...like a photo that develops under certain circumstances....but it doesn't explain carrots falling or little kids playing jump off the last five steps with mr. ghost. (shudder)maybe the kid was making excuses???? but the carrots...now that's very strange.
Your story and Cody's were very interesting and I would think that
it would be the way it would work out.
doppelganger ;-)

dc

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Apr 13, 2002, 5:08:11 PM4/13/02
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Dave, it is obvious that you never encountered any "ghostly"
occurances. No need to ridicule those who have.
Michelle<<<<<<<

the only 'ghostly" occurances are those coming from mental problems of
freaked out people and fakery. There are no Ghosts, but there are "haunted
minds," it is just a psychosis and has nothing to do with science and true
psychics. The human brain can fill in the details or all types of imagery,
just as people can see pictures in clouds.

So here is the bottom line. People with superstitious and nutty ideas
pretending to be Buddhists get absolutely nowhere if they are not in unity
and creating a peace movement. Otherwise they are just warp outs. Now the
latest thing is Craig revealing his ghost beliefs. We already can see on
his fake "Aura," machine website his "Chakra Chart". Now does anyone
realize that that Chakra Chart comes from SHINGON interpretations of
tantra? the real cosmic connection is the connection with insane, perverse
and heretical versions of Buddhism.

No one knows a thing do they? they figure they can believe and behave as
they wish.

At 10 years old, I was "openminded" about "ghosts." but after I learned of
the true nature of things and how it all really happens, through actual
inner buddhist experience, such silly ideas vanished.

there are no ghosts. Life after death," does not occur that way, any one
who thinks it does, is delusional and silly and are watching too many
movies---and I love good ghosts movies too, but it is fantasy.

People who are mentally disturbed will see ghosts---that aren't
there......and it has nothign to do with some other dimension. The
"Entities," experienced by people in various altered states are strictly
manufactured by the brain in a primitive way of trying to understand
phenomena. It is disturbed brain chemistry.

One can see all kinds of "Entities" in various altered states but none of it
is real except to the people who latch onto lower level experiences,
thinking they are real. Buddhism instead, taught, "Neither be repulsed or
attracted," to such apparitions--that they are simply mechanical
regurgitations. It can be fun in moives but it is all nonsense and Craigs
"experiences" with ghosts is simply mental problems fused with total naivite
about reality as it is, just as Marc's beliefs in John Edwards. Of course
when Mercia mentioned Uri geller Craig posted a bunch of hate posts about
Uri geller, who in fact is a very intellegent, very scientifically minded
person.

Mind readin can be real and so can spoon bending, but it has nothing to do
with "spirits of the deceased," except in terms of superstition, and
throwbacks to ways of religions bringing in money.

Craig haunted house is as bogus as his other delusions and his other lies.

dc


c

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Apr 13, 2002, 5:33:07 PM4/13/02
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"I was sleeping with Kim Rouzer!!!! and that I had beat Pam, cutting her eye..
One night I came home late from activities and Pam and Kim were in the bed
asleep. Kim was spending the night and was against the far wall of the bed,
then Pam then Inga. I layed down and ..I was fucking Kim!
I was devastated by the divorce i just signed the papers and that was that.
I was a basket case for a while over it, but that is ancint history."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

c

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Apr 13, 2002, 5:33:39 PM4/13/02
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"I am getting involved with a married woman, but at the same time trying not to be mean
which is pretty tough, considering how and when I joke and try to keep
it light . I made it very clear that i was into affairs with married women, and have not
taken no for an answer, instead I have been abusive--when really i was just try8ing to
be funny. I do go on the internet looking for intimate relationships."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

dc

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Apr 13, 2002, 5:39:10 PM4/13/02
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craig digs out his totally reversed cut and pastes----- Oh his ghosts arent
real BOO HOO!
dc

c

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Apr 13, 2002, 5:46:43 PM4/13/02
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The nebbish narcissist "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>>>>"I was sleeping with Kim Rouzer!!!! and that I had beat Pam, cutting
>her eye..
>One night I came home late from activities and Pam and Kim were in the bed
>asleep. Kim was spending the night and was against the far wall of the bed,
>then Pam then Inga. I layed down and ..I was fucking Kim!
>I was devastated by the divorce i just signed the papers and that was that.
> I was a basket case for a while over it, but that is ancint history."
>Copyright © David Cole 2002<<<

>craig digs out his totally

Aw poor Crystal. Knocked off his holier-than-thou high moral
horse again! Poor Crystal!

On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:20:49 GMT, "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote in
message Re: Re. "The Red Thread" book: PERVERSITY(ies) in old Japanese Buddhism!*.

"Well you better tell that to the "Hokkeko," in LA (West Hollywood) or UK
...dominated by male homoerotics, while real women are subjugated and have
to search to other women for companionship..... and they want to puke and
real men want to barf. thus it is the same as in Old Japan....still that
ugly Shingon Karma rearing it's ugly head.....and the holistic Chakra semen
obsessers of Hollyweird, ritualizing ejaculatory fantasies and play acting
with the AIDS consequences.....virus worhippers. Then of course there is
the hungry ghost schizos and manic depressives who hang around ready to
worship, hoping for a dose of the royal jelly which never comes. Even
alter boy consciousness never quite gets it's fill. And the interesting
dicotomies of Bodhicitta semen droplets, staking out their claim to anal
enforcements of hidden and unconscious Japanese Shingon Karmic wet dreams
and Freudian disco West Hollywood Perves (correct spelling) and there
sympathizers.......
http://www.drsusanblock.com/sexinreview/places/hollywoodtour3.htm
Now of course people are people, and people with weird obsessions and
mental artifacts are all welcome into Buddhism, but goddamn, do they have
to dominate it? Isn't Buddhism intended to be a mainstream thing? The best
grounds for reunification yet is to repopulate the temples with real men and
women who are normal.
I know this is so shocking! Well imagine the sincere Nichiren Shoshu
Buddhist male new member, walking into a Buddist meeting which they have
for all their life thought, would be a austere religion and then get hit
on by there leader!!! ITS HAPPENING PEOPLE! How 'bout two men who drove
you to the meeting jerking each other off in the front seat after you get
Gojukai?.....on the way back to help you enshrine your Gohonzon? They might
as well go back to Catholicism or join a Holistic Circus, if it's a little
bung-hole action they are looking for. See it's Shingon Karma.
(Shocking......oh terrible........Can't he keep his mouth shut?.......he is
a homophobe!!!,,,,,,,,who is this Whistle blower raining on our rainbow
parade? Cutting in on our sanctified and pious anal fantasies? Who does he
think he is?)"
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"go suck your fake Mentors Dung---he has real good dung from his
dung mill."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"Remember to let her suck on your dick
Her germs on your wife will make it better."
"that lil child, sold into slavery
its mom shot up and puked on your dick
Then you can ran home with the a viral nasty"
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"MR. PEE PEE WATERS ANOTHER FLIMSY MINDED SCUM BALL ASS."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"Of course this is the typical hypocritical crap coming from human beings
that are just dumb. Sorry boys, maybe you and Una should all have an orgy
at taisekiji.......bring Reggie to referee."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"MASTERS WOULD CUM IN THE MOUTH OF THEIR YOUNG
ACOLYTES. NICHIREN WAS PISSED OFF!!!!!
WAKE THE HELL UP YOU NUTCASE MORONS FROM HELL."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"Hokkeko in the west hasn't grown, it just reshuffles.gakkai members.
No leadership no growth. a bunch of pissing fairies"
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"Look at your UK group Funny most every Koto is a
fag--in US too---just like Nichiren Shu."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"Oh weee.....little fairy boy has a problem?"
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"Was it good for you? Being their bitch for a night?"
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"No one will follow wimps and people with psychological
problems and weird perverse habits and behaviors based in unresolved
childhood conflicts and altar--boy consciousness. Tell me
butt-fucking and perversity is cool in our buddhism."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"Keep jerking yourself off Michael."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"No one can refute what I am saying. No one."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"I am distressed like the Daishonin was distressed
about the sick behavior of humankind. I am as solid as a rock."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"She put her hands on her rear-end and bent slightly, spreading
her lips, giving him a rear-view, under the legs, glimpse of her
vagina.
Moving her hands, down further, she spread her labia open and inserted
her right index finger. The unusally bright December sunlight caused the
juices on her pubic hairs to glisten"
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"This faggot version of true buddhism is history, the Daishonin would kick
your fairy little asses and the gakkai as well.... and the Priesthood is
corrupted into habits and monstrous passivity.."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"When stragglers appear on this board and read the nonsense here they are
overwhelmed at how stupid and demented these kook buddhists are. My
insults are surrealism appropriate for ARBN.---maybe some one or two or
three will wake the hell up."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"You guys have the comprehension of donkey poo."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"I'm sure you jerk off too."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"I think you need a stiff stick inserted deeply into your ass and wiggled
around to break up the congestion in there."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

dc

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Apr 13, 2002, 5:43:16 PM4/13/02
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Are people insane? Yes I am afraid so. Here Craig can take my posts alter
them turnign the meaning backwards. God what a fool. And what fools people
are for buying into such insanity.

As though it takes any skill or brains to alter people words to reverse the
meaning.
and the funny thing is is how when Marc was talkjing about John Edwards the
guy who pretends to talk to ghosts, Craig and Cody were ridiculing him. Now
Cody is defending Craigs nonsense proof that the blood ties of gang turf is
stronger then truth and has NOTHIGN to do with Buddhism.


dc

c

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Apr 13, 2002, 5:49:12 PM4/13/02
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The nebbish narcissist "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>"I am getting involved with a married woman, but at the same time trying not
>to be mean which is pretty tough, considering how and when I joke and try to keep
>it light . I made it very clear that i was into affairs with married women,
>and have not taken no for an answer, instead I have been abusive--when really i was just
>try8ing to be funny. I do go on the internet looking for intimate relationships."
>Copyright © David Cole 2002

>"I was sleeping with Kim Rouzer!!!! and that I had beat Pam, cutting her
>eye..
>One night I came home late from activities and Pam and Kim were in the bed
>asleep. Kim was spending the night and was against the far wall of the bed,
>then Pam then Inga. I layed down and ..I was fucking Kim!
>I was devastated by the divorce i just signed the papers and that was that.
> I was a basket case for a while over it, but that is ancint history."
>Copyright © David Cole 2002<<<<<<<<<<<<

>Yes I am afraid so.

Thanks at least for admitting your perverted sickness Crystal.
That's the first step to treatment

Copyright © David Cole 2002

"I am distressed like the Daishonin was distressed


about the sick behavior of humankind. I am as solid as a rock."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"She put her hands on her rear-end and bent slightly, spreading
her lips, giving him a rear-view, under the legs, glimpse of her
vagina.
Moving her hands, down further, she spread her labia open and inserted
her right index finger. The unusally bright December sunlight caused the
juices on her pubic hairs to glisten"
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"This faggot version of true buddhism is history, the Daishonin would kick
your fairy little asses and the gakkai as well.... and the Priesthood is
corrupted into habits and monstrous passivity.."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"When stragglers appear on this board and read the nonsense here they are
overwhelmed at how stupid and demented these kook buddhists are. My
insults are surrealism appropriate for ARBN.---maybe some one or two or
three will wake the hell up."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"You guys have the comprehension of donkey poo."

Copyright © David Cole 2002

"I'm sure you jerk off too."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"I think you need a stiff stick inserted deeply into your ass and wiggled

dc

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Back in '86, Hey Craig what dose of Ritalin were you on?

dc


c

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>David Cole "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>I am getting involved with a married woman, but at the same time trying not
>>to be mean which is pretty tough, considering how and when I joke and try to keep
>>it light . I made it very clear that i was into affairs with married women,
>>and have not taken no for an answer, instead I have been abusive--when really i was just
>>try8ing to be funny. I do go on the internet looking for intimate relationships.
>>I was sleeping with Kim Rouzer!!!! and that I had beat Pam, cutting her
>>eye..
>>One night I came home late from activities and Pam and Kim were in the bed
>>asleep. Kim was spending the night and was against the far wall of the bed,
>>then Pam then Inga. I layed down and ..I was fucking Kim!
>>I was devastated by the divorce i just signed the papers and that was that.
>> I was a basket case for a while over it, but that is ancint history.
>>
>>Yes I am afraid so.
>>dc

>Before you lecture us on correct morals perhaps you should go
>look in the mirror Dave<<<

>Back in '86
>
>dc

So why are you still bragging about your conquests of so long ago
if you have changed so much?

dc

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Apr 13, 2002, 5:49:00 PM4/13/02
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The nebbish narcissist "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>>>>"I was sleeping with Kim Rouzer!!!! and that I had beat Pam, cutting
>her eye..
>One night I came home late from activities and Pam and Kim were in the bed
>asleep. Kim was spending the night and was against the far wall of the
bed,
>then Pam then Inga. I layed down and ..I was fucking Kim!
>I was devastated by the divorce i just signed the papers and that was that.
> I was a basket case for a while over it, but that is ancint history."
>Copyright © David Cole 2002<<<

>craig digs out his totally

Aw poor Crystal. Knocked off his holier-than-thou high moral
horse again! Poor Crystal!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Right Like you can knock me off anything you little sick person. Does it
empower you to take people quotes and alter the meanign? Is that some kind
of refutation? I dont think so wormy brain.

dc

c

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>David Cole "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>I am getting involved with a married woman, but at the same time trying not
>>to be mean which is pretty tough, considering how and when I joke and try to keep
>>it light . I made it very clear that i was into affairs with married women,
>>and have not taken no for an answer, instead I have been abusive--when really i was just
>>try8ing to be funny. I do go on the internet looking for intimate relationships.
>>I was sleeping with Kim Rouzer!!!! and that I had beat Pam, cutting her
>>eye..
>>One night I came home late from activities and Pam and Kim were in the bed
>>asleep. Kim was spending the night and was against the far wall of the bed,
>>then Pam then Inga. I layed down and ..I was fucking Kim!
>>I was devastated by the divorce i just signed the papers and that was that.
>> I was a basket case for a while over it, but that is ancint history.
>>Yes I am afraid so.
>>
>>dc

So what do you expect would happen?
I'd be a basket case too if I were a married man going around fucking and
beating friends of my wife

c

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> "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>I was sleeping with Kim Rouzer!!!! and that I had beat Pam, cutting
>>her eye..
>>One night I came home late from activities and Pam and Kim were in the bed
>>asleep. Kim was spending the night and was against the far wall of the
>bed, then Pam then Inga. I layed down and ..I was fucking Kim!
>>I was devastated by the divorce i just signed the papers and that was that.
>> I was a basket case for a while over it, but that is ancint history.
>>dc

>Aw poor Crystal. Knocked off his holier-than-thou high moral
>horse again! Poor Crystal!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

>Right Like you can knock me off anything you little sick person.

>dc

Poor Crystal! A total addict to arbn, he cries and cries because nobody
will play house with him and Ikeda. No wonder he is such a basket case
Poor Crystal!

dc

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Oh gosh I guess no one gets it.

dc

dc

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You are nuts Craig. A plain old ordinary sleaze ball with no conscience and
no ability to not be a crooked liar.

dc


dc

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in the spirt of Craig's notorius Cut and pastes w\hich alter the words of
other people I repsond with,

>check out the book "Haunted Indiana.--Craig Bratcher ghostbusters" ...
> they have a full chapter on our old house on on my investigations into
paranormal phoneman like when my MR. P grow s for no reason. >My Mr. P was
haunted. What's really


> creepy is that things have become much worse there in

> the past few years. the entities are calling my name to the new tenents.
>I spoke with the new owners wife a couple


> years ago and she told me that one day, her 3 year old son
> atrtled her by jumping into her arms from the 4th or 5th step

> up on the stairs, shouting my name "Craig Bratcher," when


>she summoned him to come downstairs.
> When she told him it was dangerous to do that, he replied:

> "But me and Mr Shadow Bratcher who sneaks in my window at night
> play that game all the time, first i fondle his privates then he has me
talk to ghosts."


> <Shudder!!!>
> The previous occupant that bought it from my mom (the father of the
> mother I sopoke of above), at some point decided that he would
> not be anywhere in that house without his hunting rifle within reach

> at all times, in case bears came into the house lookihg for ghosts.


> I spoke to him 5 years or so before I spoke with his
> daughter, when he had only lived there a few years. He started having

> strange experiences with bears, just a few weeks after moving in. Loud


crashing
> noises down stairs at 2 or 3 AM- but upon investigation, nothing has
> been disturbed. Voices talking and laughing starting out very faint, but
> getting loud enough to make him check out what's going on (nothing
> as usual). That was one of the creepiest things I experienced but I like
> to think I was just having one of those half-awake dreams... LOL
>
> I've had several weird experiences there as have most family
> and neighborhood visitors over the years. Examples range from
> accidentally dropping a lit cigarette, and it is nowhere to be found
> to *carrots* dropping on people's heads out of nowhere. I'm not
> joking. I won't get into the more intense strangeness that I and others
> have witnessed out of fear of being called looney... ( :
>
> C
>
> MystO...@aol.com (Michelle) wrote:
> >Wow! That's really creepy!!! Well, now that I'm alone in the house,
> >I'll be whistling in the dark, and staying up very, very late! Eeks!
> >Michelle
>
> >> That's nothin.
> >> Here is a website showing pictures of the house I used
> >> to live in...
> >> http://indianaghosts.homestead.com/files/ghstpic2.htm
> >> Not a joke.
> >> C<<<

"Eh whats up Doc?"


c

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Apr 13, 2002, 6:39:43 PM4/13/02
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>dc

Hey I'm not the one fucking and beating friends of my wife.
I think you should consider some serious psychological help
there boy

C

c

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Apr 13, 2002, 6:41:20 PM4/13/02
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On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:25:56 GMT, "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Oh gosh I guess no one gets it.
>dc

Oh we get it alright. You think you can come here an lecture us
with your phony Christian morals while you admit fucking and
beating friends of your wife. Get some help boy, before you end
up in jail

c

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On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:33:27 GMT, "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>David Cole "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>I am getting involved with a married woman, but at the same time trying not
>>to be mean which is pretty tough, considering how and when I joke and try to keep
>>it light . I made it very clear that i was into affairs with married women,
>>and have not taken no for an answer, instead I have been abusive--when really i was just
>>try8ing to be funny. I do go on the internet looking for intimate relationships.
>>I was sleeping with Kim Rouzer!!!! and that I had beat Pam, cutting her
>>eye..
>>One night I came home late from activities and Pam and Kim were in the bed
>>asleep. Kim was spending the night and was against the far wall of the bed,
>>then Pam then Inga. I layed down and ..I was fucking Kim!
>>I was devastated by the divorce i just signed the papers and that was that.
>> I was a basket case for a while over it, but that is ancint history.
>>Yes I am afraid so.
>>
>>dc

>So what do you expect would happen?
>I'd be a basket case too if I were a married man going around fucking and
>beating friends of my wife
>
>"Eh whats up Doc?"

Get some help Dave, before it's too late

dc

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dc

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Apr 13, 2002, 7:27:55 PM4/13/02
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Craigs Shingon Roots--he pretends to be this devout Nichiren budhist but for
his Aura MAchines he uses Shingon...what a hypocrite!!!
see these links---what fakery.


http://www.cebunet.com/aura/chakra.htm

http://www.cebunet.com/aura/

http://www.myholistichealthshop.com/children.html

jamie

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wow u think u shulkd be saying this stuf in plublc
i mean here iusnt there a legal somtthin about this?
we got told this wasnt rights ad i mean i cn cee ththa
but i mena cops n stuf

c

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On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:22:00 GMT, "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>David Cole "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>One night I came home late from activities and Pam and Kim were in the bed
>>asleep. Kim was spending the night and was against the far wall of the bed,
>>then Pam then Inga. I layed down and ..I was fucking Kim!
>>I was devastated by the divorce i just signed the papers and that was that.
>> I was a basket case for a while over it, but that is ancint history.
>>Yes I am afraid so.
>>dc

>So what do you expect would happen?
>I'd be a basket case too if I were a married man going around fucking and
>beating friends of my wife<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

>Craigs Shingon Roots--he pretends to be this devout Nichiren budhist
>...what a hypocrite!!!
>dc
>

What religion does one follow when he fucks and beats his wife's
friends Dave? You need some serious help, boy.

C

dc

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C>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

must be the Hokkeko! A virtually defunct group of nuts who pretend to be
Nichiren Shoshu members To have one's quotes altered/changed to mean the
opposite and then posted. Funny Craig complains for years about the SGi
forging and altering documents and photos, yet takes other people posts and
changes the words with no conscience.

dc

c

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On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 00:13:48 GMT, "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>David Cole "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>I was sleeping with Kim Rouzer!!!! and that I had beat Pam, cutting her
>>>eye..
>>>One night I came home late from activities and Pam and Kim were in the bed
>>>asleep. Kim was spending the night and was against the far wall of the
>bed, then Pam then Inga. I layed down and ..I was fucking Kim!
>>>I was devastated by the divorce i just signed the papers and that was
>that. I was a basket case for a while over it, but that is ancint history.
>>>Yes I am afraid so.
>>>dc
>
>>So what do you expect would happen?
>>I'd be a basket case too if I were a married man going around fucking and
>>beating friends of my wife<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

>>Craigs Shingon Roots--he pretends to be this devout Nichiren budhist
>>...what a hypocrite!!!
>>dc
>>
>What religion does one follow when he fucks and beats his wife's
>friends Dave? You need some serious help, boy.
>C>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>must be the Hokkeko! A virtually defunct group of nuts who pretend to be
>Nichiren Shoshu members

>dc

No, I think it must be something more like David Coleism
because I can't think of any other religion that promotes the sick
and perverted behavior that you exhibit. Please get some help David.

C

jamie

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Apr 13, 2002, 8:57:38 PM4/13/02
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wowi mean u guys do thisstuf?
si tjhis buddhist stuff i shoulkd be doiin?
i get th shift keysok most times but thspace
bars hard cus my tmnbs dont work so good

c

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>wowi mean u guys do thisstuf?
>si tjhis buddhist stuff i shoulkd be doiin?
>i get th shift keysok most times but thspace
>bars hard cus my tmnbs dont work so good

David Cole is what is known as a narcissist. Narcissists are
abusive, condescending and can be very controlling. They
invent their own world, and actually believe that they are somehow
superior to everybody else. To the narcissist, others are just walking
cartoons and they care about how you feel about as much as they
care how their hamburger or television feels

dc

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in the spirt of Craig's notorius Cut and pastes which alter the words of
other people I respond with,

>check out the book "Haunted Indiana.--Craig Bratcher ghostbusters" ...
> they have a full chapter on our old house on on my investigations into

paranormal phoneman like when my MR. P grows for no reason. >My Mr. P was
surely haunted byt eh soul of a littrle boy named Stuben. What's really


> creepy is that things have become much worse there in
> the past few years. the entities are calling my name to the new tenents.
>I spoke with the new owners wife a couple
> years ago and she told me that one day, her 3 year old son
> atrtled her by jumping into her arms from the 4th or 5th step
> up on the stairs, shouting my name "Craig Bratcher," when
>she summoned him to come downstairs.
> When she told him it was dangerous to do that, he replied:
> "But me and Mr Shadow Bratcher who sneaks in my window at night
> play that game all the time, first i fondle his privates then he has me
talk to ghosts."
> <Shudder!!!>
> The previous occupant that bought it from my mom (the father of the
> mother I sopoke of above), at some point decided that he would
> not be anywhere in that house without his hunting rifle within reach
> at all times, in case bears came into the house lookihg for ghosts.
> I spoke to him 5 years or so before I spoke with his
> daughter, when he had only lived there a few years. He started having
> strange experiences with bears, just a few weeks after moving in. Loud
crashing
> noises down stairs at 2 or 3 AM- but upon investigation, nothing has
> been disturbed. Voices talking and laughing starting out very faint, but
> getting loud enough to make him check out what's going on (nothing

> as usual). That was one of the creepiest things I experienced but I like


> to think I was just having one of those half-awake dreams... LOL
>
> I've had several weird experiences there as have most family
> and neighborhood visitors over the years. Examples range from
> accidentally dropping a lit cigarette, and it is nowhere to be found
> to *carrots* dropping on people's heads out of nowhere. I'm not
> joking. I won't get into the more intense strangeness that I and others
> have witnessed out of fear of being called looney... ( :
>
> C
>
> MystO...@aol.com (Michelle) wrote:
> >Wow! That's really creepy!!! Well, now that I'm alone in the house,
> >I'll be whistling in the dark, and staying up very, very late! Eeks!
> >Michelle
>
> >> That's nothin.
> >> Here is a website showing pictures of the house I used
> >> to live in...
> >> http://indianaghosts.homestead.com/files/ghstpic2.htm
> >> Not a joke.
> >> C<<<

"Eh whats up Doc?"


c

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100,000 sperm- and YOU were the fastest???

David Cole "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:

On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:20:49 GMT, "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote in

Mercia

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Thanks for that bit of info Craig. I have to hand it to David, what three
women in a row? My his stamina must be something worth exploring.

>>>wide grin<<<

Mers.

<c> wrote in message news:3cb8a407....@news.netnitco.net...


> "I was sleeping with Kim Rouzer!!!! and that I had beat Pam, cutting her
eye..
> One night I came home late from activities and Pam and Kim were in the bed
> asleep. Kim was spending the night and was against the far wall of the
bed,
> then Pam then Inga. I layed down and ..I was fucking Kim!
> I was devastated by the divorce i just signed the papers and that was
that.
> I was a basket case for a while over it, but that is ancint history."

> Copyright © David Cole 2002
>


Mercia

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For a man to be approached by a woman, married or otherwise, at the best of
times is awkward. When dealing with the human emotions requires tact and
integrity. One never knows the pain one might cause and it is not only a
burden, but equally an enormous responsibility. The same can be said or a
woman when a man is in love or holds certain feelings which are not
reciprocated. These are not issues to be taken lightly. People have been
known to kill others in the name of love.

Mercia
<c> wrote in message news:3cb8a42b....@news.netnitco.net...


> "I am getting involved with a married woman, but at the same time trying
not to be mean
> which is pretty tough, considering how and when I joke and try to keep
> it light . I made it very clear that i was into affairs with married
women, and have not
> taken no for an answer, instead I have been abusive--when really i was
just try8ing to
> be funny. I do go on the internet looking for intimate relationships."

> Copyright © David Cole 2002

Mercia

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I don't think David is bragging Craig, you're the one who brought it up?
Pretty meaningful Buddhist dialogue, I must say. Now where is that
dictionary of the Japanese Pillowbook. I've got it here somewhere........

>>>>giggle<<<<
Mercia

<c> wrote in message news:3cb8a937....@news.netnitco.net...

Mercia

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Craig, David never lectured about any of this. You interpret it this way.
You furthermore twist the facts. Unfortunately your response is the give
away. You feel threatened by what other people may express in their personal
life experience and then you add your own version to it.

Please do not think I'm having a go at you, for I am not, but the more you
try and defend yourself, the more you actually enforce your own level of
'low self-esteem'. David explained he got into a 'situation' which was
difficult for him at that time. Women are not always innocent, as much as I
usually understand their motives, however there are times when they
literally can drive a man round the twist. You need to take people's
personality into consideration and you know that David is a nice guy, who
makes an effort to try and please others. There are things that happen
behind closed doors in any relationship that outsiders know nothing about.
What may be perceived as real by the outside world is not always the truth
of the matter.

You are both upset with one another and if not to eachother, at least try
and seek for humility through the Gohonzon by apologising for your own
lives, i.e. actions. Hate to see you fight like this. Especially as it only
proves the love you have for one another as brothers.

Mercia
<c> wrote in message news:3cb8b3b7....@news.netnitco.net...

c

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"Mercia" <mer...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>I don't think David is bragging Craig, you're the one who brought it up?
>Pretty meaningful Buddhist dialogue, I must say. Now where is that
>dictionary of the Japanese Pillowbook. I've got it here somewhere........
>>>>>giggle<<<<
>Mercia

Here it is... David has it

"Keep jerking yourself off Michael."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"No one can refute what I am saying. No one."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"I am distressed like the Daishonin was distressed
about the sick behavior of humankind. I am as solid as a rock."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"She put her hands on her rear-end and bent slightly, spreading
her lips, giving him a rear-view, under the legs, glimpse of her
vagina.
Moving her hands, down further, she spread her labia open and inserted
her right index finger. The unusally bright December sunlight caused the
juices on her pubic hairs to glisten"
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"This faggot version of true buddhism is history, the Daishonin would kick
your fairy little asses and the gakkai as well.... and the Priesthood is
corrupted into habits and monstrous passivity.."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"When stragglers appear on this board and read the nonsense here they are
overwhelmed at how stupid and demented these kook buddhists are. My
insults are surrealism appropriate for ARBN.---maybe some one or two or
three will wake the hell up."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"You guys have the comprehension of donkey poo."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"I'm sure you jerk off too."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"I think you need a stiff stick inserted deeply into your ass and wiggled
around to break up the congestion in there."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"call it what you will, as long as my fellow buddhists friend sit with their
thumbs in their asses refusing to toss away their phoney egos then they are
destroying budhism and deserve worse then any insults."
David Cole


c

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On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 08:17:07 +0100, "Mercia" <mer...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>David explained he got into a 'situation' which was
>difficult for him at that time.

Hey- I'm not judging David- I am simply putting things into
perspective here. He's the one with the high moral values he keeps
trying to impress upon us, when in fact he's nothing unique himself.

>Women are not always innocent, as much as I
>usually understand their motives, however there are times when they
>literally can drive a man round the twist.

I've been married for 17 years so you're not telling me
anything new. But to do certain things to anybody- male or female-
marrid, friend, stranger or whoever- is simply wrong, and there is
no excuse for any kind of harassment, back-stabbing, or any kind
of violence, no matter how much a man is "driven round the twist."

>You need to take people's
>personality into consideration and you know that David is a nice guy, who
>makes an effort to try and please others. There are things that happen
>behind closed doors in any relationship that outsiders know nothing about.
>What may be perceived as real by the outside world is not always the truth
>of the matter.

I've known David online since about 1997. You've known him since about
a year ago. One thing I believe is that "nice guys" don't post their friend's wife's
name, company name, home/work address, home/work phone number
and make vulgar comments about their life, like David did to my wife.
About a month ago David Cole published Karyn's personal information
in addition to accusing her of chasing after him, even though she is married,
and even going so far as to disclose her husband's name and their address.
In addition he even said that she was "into B&D" If I hadn't seen David's
smear campaigns in action before, he may have convinced me that there
really was something wrong with Karyn, when in fact it is the narcissist,
David Cole, that has severe socioloigical dysfunctions.
I don't have a clue as to why you choose to ask one of David's victims to
"seek humility" and not say a peep to David himself. I know you have a
certain allegence to him as your friend, but I never thought it would blind
the justice of your eye.

>You are both upset with one another and if not to eachother, at least try
>and seek for humility through the Gohonzon by apologising for your own
>lives, i.e. actions. Hate to see you fight like this. Especially as it only
>proves the love you have for one another as brothers.
>Mercia

There is no fight. David has decided that anybody that doesn't want to
unify with Soka Gakkai must be punished and intimidated into complying
with David's wishes. I have chosen to call him on his behavior, in public,
since that is the venue he has freely chosen for his charade. If David wishes
to continue his "fight" I will no longer be replying, since it only seems to act
one of narcissist supplies.

><c> wrote in message news:3cb8b3b7....@news.netnitco.net...
>> On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:25:56 GMT, "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >Oh gosh I guess no one gets it.
>> >dc

>> Oh we get it alright. You think you can come here an lecture us
>> with your phony Christian morals while you admit fucking and
>> beating friends of your wife.<<

"Both David and Bruce are really genuine people and what do
you do? As I said earlier, no matter how innocent or pure a
life may be, you'll find a way to tarnish it with your filth. Bruce
is so compassionate you can't even see it. Action in the end
speak louder than words"
Mercia Netzsche

"Of course this is the typical hypocritical crap coming from human beings
that are just dumb. Sorry boys, maybe you and Una should all have an orgy
at taisekiji.......bring Reggie to referee."

Dave Cole

"All the ways are PURE CRAP"
Bruce Maltz Date: 2001-08-12

"Just listen to Mary in her lunatic rage, she has been fed a line a
horse shit and ate it, she is now sick with slander"
Bruce maltz

Mercia

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LOL You guys, I've got to hand it to you. Never a dull moment in the life of
Buddha. Have you ever read the Korean pillow book. Now you want to learn
about how to torture yourself? They have some pretty amazing techniques in
there. It describes a different approach towards muscle control. Can't go
into specifics as that might be seen as 'X' rated. It is however highly
informative and most intellectual. Beats the haunted house though.

Mers.

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Cody

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This was years ago. Nowadays he has problems reaching his shoe laces and
can't even do one pushup. I expect, Mercia, that you would have to do all
the work for around three minutes.

Cody
"Mercia" <mer...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote

Cody

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"Mercia" <mer...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote

you know that David is a nice guy, who
> makes an effort to try and please others.

What a joke. David is not a "nice guy" but a manipulator that uses people
and then stabs them in the back.

Cody


Mercia

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Ouch. Thank goodness David has a wonderful sense of humour. I'm sure we'll
have a good laugh when sharing this little joke. Although am not too sure if
I understand exactly what the last sentence is meant to imply?

Mers.


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"Mercia" <mer...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote

> Ouch. Thank goodness David has a wonderful sense of humour. I'm sure we'll
> have a good laugh when sharing this little joke. Although am not too sure
if
> I understand exactly what the last sentence is meant to imply?
>
> Mers.

Every heard the popular phrase, slam, bam, thank you ma'am?

Cody
>
>
> "Cody" <> wrote

Mercia

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But Michael, you are a nice guy also. It is only those who press the wrong
buttons you get upset with. That same principle applies to David. Why would
he be any different? David is not frustrated with you because you chose not
to support his suggestion of reunification, but rather, the manner in which
you opposed him. You started lying about him and hurling abuse at him. He
retaliated. So you have to face the consequences thereof. It's not at all a
complicated formulae, rather it is described a natural human response. What
do you want from him? You call him everything under the sun and insult him,
you still expect him to smile at you and say how wonderful you are? I am
sure if you give him a genuine reason he will change also.

Takes two to hold a discussion.


Mers.
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"Mercia" <mer...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> But Michael, you are a nice guy also. It is only those who press the wrong
> buttons you get upset with. That same principle applies to David. Why
would
> he be any different? David is not frustrated with you because you chose
not
> to support his suggestion of reunification, but rather, the manner in
which
> you opposed him. You started lying about him and hurling abuse at him. He
> retaliated.

This is a lie. Can you provide quotes? Didn't think so. I didn't save all my
emails from David to use on him later (there were some real winners
regarding his opinion of you) like he did/does. I didn't reveal anything
that he told me in confidence, yet he does, not only about me but about
anyone that opposes him.

> So you have to face the consequences thereof.

Considering I didn't lie or hurl abuse at him, what "consequences" are you
talking about?

The only "consequences" I am dealing with is learning that Mr. Cole cannot
be trusted and is no one's friend, not even you, as you will eventually find
out.

> It's not at all a
> complicated formulae, rather it is described a natural human response.
What
> do you want from him? You call him everything under the sun and insult
him,
> you still expect him to smile at you and say how wonderful you are? I am
> sure if you give him a genuine reason he will change also.
>
> Takes two to hold a discussion.
> Mers.

Get off your high horse and smell the coffee, will you? I didn't lie about
David.

Cody

c

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On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:40:28 +0100, "Mercia" <mer...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>LOL You guys, I've got to hand it to you. Never a dull moment in the life of
>Buddha. Have you ever read the Korean pillow book. Now you want to learn
>about how to torture yourself? They have some pretty amazing techniques in
>there. It describes a different approach towards muscle control. Can't go
>into specifics as that might be seen as 'X' rated. It is however highly
>informative and most intellectual. Beats the haunted house though.
>Mers.

I'm sure David could make the pillow book sem pale in comparison

c

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On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 08:17:07 +0100, "Mercia" <mer...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>David explained he got into a 'situation' which was
>difficult for him at that time.

Hey- I'm not judging David- I am simply putting things into


perspective here. He's the one with the high moral values he keeps
trying to impress upon us, when in fact he's nothing unique himself.

>Women are not always innocent, as much as I


>usually understand their motives, however there are times when they
>literally can drive a man round the twist.

I've been married for 17 years so you're not telling me


anything new. But to do certain things to anybody- male or female-
marrid, friend, stranger or whoever- is simply wrong, and there is
no excuse for any kind of harassment, back-stabbing, or any kind

of violence, no matter how much a man is "driven round the twist."

>You need to take people's
>personality into consideration and you know that David is a nice guy, who
>makes an effort to try and please others. There are things that happen
>behind closed doors in any relationship that outsiders know nothing about.
>What may be perceived as real by the outside world is not always the truth
>of the matter.

I've known David online since about 1997. You've known him since about

a year ago. One thing I believe is that "nice guys" don't post their friend's wife's
name, company name, home/work address, home/work phone number
and make vulgar comments about their life, like David did to my wife.
About a month ago David Cole published Karyn's personal information
in addition to accusing her of chasing after him, even though she is married,
and even going so far as to disclose her husband's name and their address.
In addition he even said that she was "into B&D" If I hadn't seen David's
smear campaigns in action before, he may have convinced me that there
really was something wrong with Karyn, when in fact it is the narcissist,
David Cole, that has severe socioloigical dysfunctions.
I don't have a clue as to why you choose to ask one of David's victims to
"seek humility" and not say a peep to David himself. I know you have a
certain allegence to him as your friend, but I never thought it would blind
the justice of your eye.

>You are both upset with one another and if not to eachother, at least try


>and seek for humility through the Gohonzon by apologising for your own
>lives, i.e. actions. Hate to see you fight like this. Especially as it only
>proves the love you have for one another as brothers.
>Mercia

There is no fight. David has decided that anybody that doesn't want to


unify with Soka Gakkai must be punished and intimidated into complying
with David's wishes. I have chosen to call him on his behavior, in public,
since that is the venue he has freely chosen for his charade. If David wishes
to continue his "fight" I will no longer be replying, since it only seems to act
one of narcissist supplies.

><c> wrote in message news:3cb8b3b7....@news.netnitco.net...


>> On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:25:56 GMT, "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >Oh gosh I guess no one gets it.
>> >dc

>> Oh we get it alright. You think you can come here an lecture us
>> with your phony Christian morals while you admit fucking and
>> beating friends of your wife.<<

On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:20:49 GMT, "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote in

c

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"Mercia" <mer...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>Ouch. Thank goodness David has a wonderful sense of humour. I'm sure we'll
>have a good laugh when sharing this little joke.

Oh yes- I can almost hear him chuckling from over here... but what's
that other sound... is someone pounding on a keyboard??
LOL

> This was years ago. Nowadays he has problems reaching his shoe laces and
> can't even do one pushup. I expect, Mercia, that you would have to do all
> the work for around three minutes.
>
> Cody

> "Mercia" <mer...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote


> > Thanks for that bit of info Craig. I have to hand it to David, whatthree
> > women in a row? My his stamina must be something worth exploring.
> > >>>wide grin<<<
> > Mers.

> > > "I was sleeping with Kim Rouzer!!!! and that I had beat Pam, cuttingher


> > eye..
> > > One night I came home late from activities and Pam and Kim were in the> bed
> > > asleep. Kim was spending the night and was against the far wall ofthe
> > bed,> > > then Pam then Inga. I layed down and ..I was fucking Kim!
> > > I was devastated by the divorce i just signed the papers and that was
> > that.> > > I was a basket case for a while over it, but that is ancint history."
> > > Copyright © David Cole 2002

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c

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"Mercia" <mer...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>But Michael, you are a nice guy also. It is only those who press the wrong
>buttons you get upset with. That same principle applies to David. Why would
>he be any different? David is not frustrated with you because you chose not
>to support his suggestion of reunification, but rather, the manner in which
>you opposed him. You started lying about him and hurling abuse at him. He
>retaliated.

First of all, Michael never hurled any abuse to David nor did he
lie about him. Secondly, even if Michael had a frigging flying fit,
it did not justify Davidmaking a sordid yahoo baord slamming
him. Nor was David justified in making that evil website about him.
Nor was David justified in accusing Michael of being a drunk who
abuses his family.

>So you have to face the consequences thereof. It's not at all a


>complicated formulae, rather it is described a natural human response.

You're joking right? How would you feel if somebody used your
photo without your permission and made a nasty website and yahoo
board about YOU? What if someone were to post personal details
of your family, accusing you of "stalking" him and having a mental
illness, and posting your husband's name and address like David
did to Karyn? What did Karyn do to deserve that treatment? What
did my wife do to deserve the treatment David gave her when he
posted her home/business address/phone number along with obscene
remarks about "spanish hooker germs on her" when he has never
met my wife, nor has she ever posted anything on any newsgroup.

What did the entire LA sangha do to deserve being accused of being


"holistic Chakra semen obsessers of Hollyweird, ritualizing ejaculatory

fantasies and play acting with the AIDS consequences.....virus worhippers???"
None of those people post here. So what excuse can you give David for
doing that?

>What do you want from him?

We want him to try to act normal, and if he can't he should
get some help.

>You call him everything under the sun and insult him,
>you still expect him to smile at you and say how wonderful you are?

Michael never insulted David outside of the fact that he refused
to participate in David's delusion that we should re-join Soka Gakkai.
After that, David decided to "punish" us for our refusal by accusing
us of all kinds of immoral acts and crimes as if he is some kind of
saint. In fact, that was the whole point of this article, to show that
David has no room to criticise others for their behavior while his
is 10 times as bad.

> "Mercia" <mer...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote


> you know that David is a nice guy, who
> > makes an effort to try and please others.
>

> What a joke. David is not a "nice guy" but a manipulator that uses people


> and then stabs them in the back.
> Cody

David Cole "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote in

message Re: Re. "The Red Thread" book: PERVERSITY(ies) in old Japanese Buddhism!*.

"[the Buddhist temple] in LA (West Hollywood) or UK

"Keep jerking yourself off Michael."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"No one can refute what I am saying. No one."

Mercia

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Interesting. How do you know whether or not he is a slam, bang, thank you
ma'am kind of performer? Does this mean you were watching from the closet?

Honestly, Michael, three women and you call him a slam, bang, thank you
ma'am? Hardly. LOL

Mers.

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Mercia

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I see. Why would you be hearing noises from the keyboard? Is this another
suggestive remark? My you guys are witty. Is this called peeping through the
keyhole? Well, let's refrain from suggesting what might be happening on the
other side of the door shall we.

Mers.

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Mercia

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Is that a promise? My you do make him sound irresistable.

Mers.

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Mercia

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Granted. I cannot answer these questions, for I am not David. However, I am
sure he will respond himself and perhaps you can clear the air amongst
yourselves.

Mers.

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"Mercia" <mer...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote

> Interesting. How do you know whether or not he is a slam, bang, thank you
> ma'am kind of performer? Does this mean you were watching from the closet?

Why would I want to lose my lunch?

> Honestly, Michael, three women and you call him a slam, bang, thank you
> ma'am? Hardly. LOL
>
> Mers.

Why don't you try him and out and then give us a report. I say he couldn't
last longer than three minutes but, obviously, I am not in a postion to find
out because I am not gay, even though David LIED and said I am and, not only
that, said I was obsessed with him.

Cody

Cody

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"Mercia" <mer...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Granted. I cannot answer these questions, for I am not David.

The WHY IN HELL DID YOU SAY THIS?:

"You started lying about him and hurling abuse at him."

Now you are trying to weasel out of what you, yourself posted. I want proof
of what you say! You don't have it because your statement above is a
baldfaced lie!

However, I am
> sure he will respond himself and perhaps you can clear the air amongst
> yourselves.
>
> Mers.

Nice back pedal, Mercia but no cigar. I did not lie or hurl abuse at David
and you said I did.

Apologize.

Mercia

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)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:30:00


Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder)

Again, I cannot answer on behalf of David. This is an issue he needs to
address himself. As for me choosing sides. This has nothing to do with
choosing anyone's side. I simply state the obvious of people who were
friends for many years. I can only express my observations and views in
relation to David based on the experience I have with him. Thus far he has
been a better friend to me than you have. Furthermore David has always
treated me with respect, consideration and honesty. I have no reason to
believe that David is lying to me.

With all due respect and without wanting to start another argument or hate
campaign, you have done everything within your power to discredit me. No
matter how hard I tried to explain that you were wrong, you insisted on
accusing me and belittling me at every opportune moment.

I get on with people from within Hokkeko, from the Shu, from the SGI, from
the Independents, from other Buddhist Sects and from non-Buddhist
background. The first time I mentioned the word 'love' amongst my Hokkeko
representative members, I was attacked as if I had been using a swear word.
When I spoke of the Dharma, I was told I spoke heretical and provisional
Buddhism. These very people have hounded me for years and it is only now
that things are changing.

Perhaps, because for the first time I am actually expressing what really
happened behind closed doors that people are starting to understand what I
have persevered and are learning to appreciate my genuine efforts. You have
the same approach I have been fighting for years in that you condemn without
actual proof and before you make the effort to try and find out who, or what
you are dealing with. I have in fact spoken with David and thus far find him
a decent and civilised person. I have never spoken to either yourself or
Michael and currently follow the opinion of my friend in the UK who knows
you well and whose views I do value, appreciate and respect. Time will tell.

In the meantime it is nobody's place to interfere with the relationship from
one person to another. We are all mature adults capable of making up our
own minds. I have never once expressed my views and opinions in relation to
Carla, other than to her 'privately' and always based on the principles of
the Buddha Dharma. This discussion however is not about Carla, but rather
about your disagreement with David per se.

Mercia
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"Mercia" <mer...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote

> )
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:30:00
>
>
> Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder)
>
> Again, I cannot answer on behalf of David.

Then why do you do it?

> This is an issue he needs to
> address himself. As for me choosing sides. This has nothing to do with
> choosing anyone's side. I simply state the obvious of people who were
> friends for many years. I can only express my observations and views in
> relation to David based on the experience I have with him. Thus far he has
> been a better friend to me than you have. Furthermore David has always
> treated me with respect, consideration and honesty. I have no reason to
> believe that David is lying to me.

You will. It's too bad I didn't save the emails and chats we had about you.
If you could see them, you would never speak to David again. He did tell me
something about Parkfield Close and Surrey, though, while he was
investigating you. Unlike him, however, I won't post the rest of the address
AND phone number.

> With all due respect and without wanting to start another argument or hate
> campaign, you have done everything within your power to discredit me. No
> matter how hard I tried to explain that you were wrong, you insisted on
> accusing me and belittling me at every opportune moment.

You mean like when you said this?:

"Ghee [sic] Cody, I didn't realise you were still so Neanderthal in vision.
Your entire approach is Cave Man in attitude."
Mercia Nitzsche

> I get on with people from within Hokkeko,

Name one and David, who is not a member of Hokkeko and never has been a
member of Hokkeko doesn't count.

> from the Shu, from the SGI, from
> the Independents, from other Buddhist Sects and from non-Buddhist
> background. The first time I mentioned the word 'love' amongst my Hokkeko
> representative members, I was attacked as if I had been using a swear
word.
> When I spoke of the Dharma, I was told I spoke heretical and provisional
> Buddhism. These very people have hounded me for years and it is only now
> that things are changing.

Well, you have publically declared that you think the Transfer Documents to
be fake and the Dai Gohonzon to be fake so what the hell do you expect,
agreement with this blasphemy?


>
> Perhaps, because for the first time I am actually expressing what really
> happened behind closed doors that people are starting to understand what I
> have persevered and are learning to appreciate my genuine efforts. You
have
> the same approach I have been fighting for years in that you condemn
without
> actual proof and before you make the effort to try and find out who, or
what
> you are dealing with. I have in fact spoken with David and thus far find
him
> a decent and civilised person. I have never spoken to either yourself or
> Michael and currently follow the opinion of my friend in the UK who knows
> you well and whose views I do value, appreciate and respect. Time will
tell.

What a poor victim! Study the concept of Esho Funi.


>
> In the meantime it is nobody's place to interfere with the relationship
from
> one person to another. We are all mature adults capable of making up our
> own minds. I have never once expressed my views and opinions in relation
to
> Carla, other than to her 'privately' and always based on the principles of
> the Buddha Dharma. This discussion however is not about Carla, but rather
> about your disagreement with David per se.
>
> Mercia

You'll find out what David is in good time.

Cody

RJD

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On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:40:28 +0100, "Mercia" <mer...@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:

>LOL You guys, I've got to hand it to you. Never a dull moment in the life of


>Buddha. Have you ever read the Korean pillow book. Now you want to learn
>about how to torture yourself? They have some pretty amazing techniques in
>there. It describes a different approach towards muscle control. Can't go
>into specifics as that might be seen as 'X' rated. It is however highly
>informative and most intellectual. Beats the haunted house though.

I have a better suggestion:

why not just rename this thread "Haunted Humping" instead and have
done with it !

This place never fails to amuse. Going from a topic on ghosts to
total smut in one leap when it was getting to be interesting (about
the ghosts I mean).

rjd

c

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On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:37:40 +0200, "Cody" <mc...@ono.net> wrote:
>> With all due respect and without wanting to start another argument or hate
>> campaign, you have done everything within your power to discredit me. No
>> matter how hard I tried to explain that you were wrong, you insisted on
>> accusing me and belittling me at every opportune moment.

>You mean like when you said this?:
>"Ghee [sic] Cody, I didn't realise you were still so Neanderthal in vision.
>Your entire approach is Cave Man in attitude."
>Mercia Nitzsche

Michael- we agreed to give Mercia 10 chances during which time
we wouldn't repost her own nasty comments to her. Now, I realise
that she had slipped up one time, reducing her chances to 9, but
now that you have done this, you need to apologise, and we have
to put her chances back up to 10. Q-K4. Check. Your move

Cody

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<c> wrote in message news:3cb9c59d...@news.netnitco.net...

> On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:37:40 +0200, "Cody" <mc...@ono.net> wrote:
> >> With all due respect and without wanting to start another argument or
hate
> >> campaign, you have done everything within your power to discredit me.
No
> >> matter how hard I tried to explain that you were wrong, you insisted on
> >> accusing me and belittling me at every opportune moment.
>
> >You mean like when you said this?:
> >"Ghee [sic] Cody, I didn't realise you were still so Neanderthal in
vision.
> >Your entire approach is Cave Man in attitude."
> >Mercia Nitzsche
>
> Michael- we agreed to give Mercia 10 chances during which time
> we wouldn't repost her own nasty comments to her. Now, I realise
> that she had slipped up one time, reducing her chances to 9, but
> now that you have done this, you need to apologise, and we have
> to put her chances back up to 10. Q-K4. Check. Your move

Oops, sorry about that. Hell, let's give her eleven.

c

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"Mercia" <mer...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>You have
>the same approach I have been fighting for years in that you condemn without
>actual proof and before you make the effort to try and find out who, or what
>you are dealing with.

I know exactly who I am dealing with. The actual proof is in
David Cole's own words.

> I have in fact spoken with David and thus far find him
>a decent and civilised person.

Like I said I have known David for at least 5 years and even met
him personally and went to a concert with him.I too thought he was
a decent person, until he decided to punish me and others for not
wanting to go along with his "reunification" with Soka Gakkai. A
"decent" person wouldn't stalk and harass his friend's wives like
David has done. Nor would a "decent" person accuse a whole Buddhist
sangha of being "semen worshippers" and "altar boys waiting to give
the priests blowjobs in the shower" just because the temple is located in
West Hollywood, like David has done.

>In the meantime it is nobody's place to interfere with the relationship from
> one person to another. We are all mature adults capable of making up our
>own minds. I have never once expressed my views and opinions in relation to
>Carla, other than to her 'privately' and always based on the principles of
>the Buddha Dharma.

Yet you refuse to abide by her wish not to use her real name,
and instead go along with David's perverted "expose'" of her.

>This discussion however is not about Carla, but rather
>about your disagreement with David per se.
>Mercia

That's correct but since Carla (Karyn) was one of the victims of this
"nice guy" David Cole, it is a germain issue. After all, you claimed
that David only victimizes those who "deserve it" but in fact Carla
didn't do anything to deserve the "punishment" that David
Cole doled out to her in public on this group. Nor did my wife do
anything to deserve having her home/business address/phone plastered
all over a newsgroup with accompanying vulgarities.

>> >> On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:25:56 GMT, "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:


>> >> >Oh gosh I guess no one gets it.
>> >> >dc

>> >> Oh we get it alright. You think you can come here an lecture us
>> >> with your phony Christian morals while you admit fucking and
>> >> beating friends of your wife.<<

>> On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:20:49 GMT, David Cole "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net>

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Another post Mercia won't deign to answer?

Cody

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"Mercia" <mer...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
> Interesting. How do you know whether or not he is a slam, bang, thank you
> ma'am kind of performer? Does this mean you were watching from the closet?

Why would I want to lose my lunch?

> Honestly, Michael, three women and you call him a slam, bang, thank you
> ma'am? Hardly. LOL
>
> Mers.

Why don't you try him and out and then give us a report. I say he couldn't
last longer than three minutes but, obviously, I am not in a postion to find
out because I am not gay, even though David LIED and said I am and, not only
that, said I was obsessed with him.

Cody<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Cody I never said you were "gay" I said you were a little wimpy faggot and a
pussy--THATS MUCH DIFFERENT. Normal gay people aren't necessarily wimps and
perverts. Many gay people who are buddhists are well aware of the karmic
reality.

I do remember you telling me about some gay exploits of yours
though....didnt you pretend you were the woman with some guy in a bar or
something---Shingon acolyte karma I believe. Yes I distinctly remember you
indicating to me you were a bisexual or hermaphrodite or something along
those lines.

You sure were calling me alot. And I detected jealousy when i started
talking to other "women."

dc

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"dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:<%61u8.4410$%84.245...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>...
So here is the bottom line. People with superstitious and nutty ideas
>
> No one knows a thing do they? they figure they can believe and behave as
> they wish.
>
>
> People who are mentally disturbed will see ghosts---that aren't
> there......and it has nothign to do with some other dimension. The
> "Entities," experienced by people in various altered states are strictly
> manufactured by the brain in a primitive way of trying to understand
> phenomena. It is disturbed brain chemistry.
>
Okay David, now I'm mentally disturbed then.

Michelle

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"You started lying about him and hurling abuse at him."

Now you are trying to weasel out of what you, yourself posted. I want proof
of what you say! You don't have it because your statement above is a
baldfaced lie!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Cody you are living in dream land.

Within 2 weeks of me uttering the "dirty" word "reunification" you were
baiting me in the Nichiren Shoshu mailing list and baiting my in every Yahoo
group and going on the Itai Doshin Forum with tremendous hostility and
insanity requiring banning. you did not respect the simple rules for
positive behavior on the Itai Doshin Yahoo group and insisted on game
playing, then with your little gang you began waging war--you were already
waging war with Mercia and Karyn and then began on me. You guys jumped on
the "lice" post and then the "Manson post" and proceeded to become obsessed
with slandering the people in that group in every way possible.

Then you act innocent. You sick little, dirty freak. then you wonder why I
can't side with your pathetic little gang war and your hypocrisy. And you
are both two dense to even have a vague idea of why I began posting in kind.

There is ZERO honestly coming from either you or Craig. So when I exposed
Craig's true behavior is Spain you both lie with your honor among thieves.
and tell me how I betrayed you. How pathetic. You measley mouth worms get
what you deserve. You guys live in the arbn fantasy land, 24/7 like
fruitcakes.

Great Dharma Defenders. Fruitcakes.

Now go defend Craigs Ghost visions.

dc


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100,000 sperm- and *you* were the fastest???

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Crackpot

On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:42:12 GMT, David Cole "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>You sick little, dirty freak. then you wonder why I
>can't side with your pathetic little gang war and your hypocrisy. And you
>are both two dense to even have a vague idea of why I began posting in kind.
>There is ZERO honestly coming from either you or Craig. So when I exposed
>Craig's true behavior is Spain you both lie with your honor among thieves.
>and tell me how I betrayed you. How pathetic. You measley mouth worms get
>what you deserve. You guys live in the arbn fantasy land, 24/7 like
>fruitcakes.>Great Dharma Defenders. Fruitcakes.
>Now go defend Craigs Ghost visions.
>dc
>

On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:20:49 GMT, "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote in

c

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On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:31:31 GMT, David Cole "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Cody I never said you were "gay" I said you were a little wimpy faggot and a
>pussy--THATS MUCH DIFFERENT. Normal gay people aren't necessarily wimps and
>perverts. Many gay people who are buddhists are well aware of the karmic
>reality.
>I do remember you telling me about some gay exploits of yours
>though....didnt you pretend you were the woman with some guy in a bar or
>something---Shingon acolyte karma I believe. Yes I distinctly remember you
>indicating to me you were a bisexual or hermaphrodite or something along
>those lines.

Tell us again about the time you and your wife had that homosexual
fling with that friend of yours Mr Hypocrite Homomaniac.

Cody

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"dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote

>
> "Mercia" <mer...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
> > Interesting. How do you know whether or not he is a slam, bang, thank
you
> > ma'am kind of performer? Does this mean you were watching from the
closet?
>
> Why would I want to lose my lunch?
>
> > Honestly, Michael, three women and you call him a slam, bang, thank you
> > ma'am? Hardly. LOL
> >
> > Mers.
>
> Why don't you try him and out and then give us a report. I say he couldn't
> last longer than three minutes but, obviously, I am not in a postion to
find
> out because I am not gay, even though David LIED and said I am and, not
only
> that, said I was obsessed with him.
>
> Cody<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> Cody I never said you were "gay" I said you were a little wimpy faggot and
a
> pussy--THATS MUCH DIFFERENT.

>
> dc

Yeah, it sure is.

Cody


Cody

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"dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote

> I do remember you telling me about some gay exploits of yours
> though....didnt you pretend you were the woman with some guy in a bar or
> something---Shingon acolyte karma I believe. Yes I distinctly remember you
> indicating to me you were a bisexual or hermaphrodite or something along
> those lines.

All that means is that you're memory is fucked.

> You sure were calling me alot. And I detected jealousy when i started
> talking to other "women."
>
> dc

Please. Don't flatter yourself.

Cody


Cody

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"dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote

> Cody you are living in dream land.
>

> You sick little, dirty freak.

> You measley mouth worms get
> what you deserve.

> Fruitcakes.
>
> dc

Cute, David, real cute.

How many supporters do you have for your little reunification fiasco? Isn't
April 28 the deadline? Not much time left for your compassionate, Buddha
like efforts to bear fruit.

How many? None?

I wonder if it has anything to do with your bedside manner.

Cody


dc

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>
> People who are mentally disturbed will see ghosts---that aren't
> there......and it has nothign to do with some other dimension. The
> "Entities," experienced by people in various altered states are strictly
> manufactured by the brain in a primitive way of trying to understand
> phenomena. It is disturbed brain chemistry.
>
Okay David, now I'm mentally disturbed then.

Michelle<<<<<<<

Do you see ghosts?

I certainly hope not.

dc


c

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On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:53:42 GMT, "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> People who are mentally disturbed will see ghosts---that aren't
> there......and it has nothign to do with some other dimension. The
> "Entities," experienced by people in various altered states are strictly
> manufactured by the brain in a primitive way of trying to understand
> phenomena. It is disturbed brain chemistry.

"Most narcissists reject the notion or diagnosis that they are mentally
disturbed. Absent powers of introspection and a total lack of self-
awareness are part and parcel of the disorder. Pathological narcissism
is founded on alloplastic defences - the firm conviction that the world
or others are to blame for one's behaviour. The narcissist firmly believes
that people around him should be held responsible for his reactions or
have triggered them.
With such a state of mind so firmly entrenched, the narcissist is incapable
of admitting that something is wrong with HIM.
But that is not to say that the narcissist does not experience his disorder.
He does. But he re-interprets this experience. He regards his dysfunctional
behaviours - social, sexual, emotional, mental - as conclusive and irrefutable
proof of his superiority, brilliance, distinction, prowess, might, or success.
Rudeness to others is reinterpreted as efficiency.
Abusive behaviours are cast as educational. Sexual absence as proof of
preoccupation with higher functions. His rage is always just and a reaction
to injustice or being misunderstood by intellectual dwarves.
Thus, paradoxically, the disorder becomes an integral and inseparable part
of the narcissist's inflated self-esteem and vacuous grandiose fantasies"
http://samvak.tripod.com/journal15.html

dc

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"dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote

Cody<<<<<

No dumbell it means you were always so totally drunk you don't know what
you were saying.

dc


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On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 22:02:26 GMT, David Cole "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>No dumbell it means you were always so totally drunk you don't know what
>you were saying.
>dc

THE WORKINGS OF A NARCISSIST
A PHENOMENOLOGY
Unable to love himself – the narcissist is unable to love another. He regards
and treats people as though they were objects: exploit and discard. He
mistreats people around him by asserting his superiority at all times, by
being emotionally cold or absent, by constant bickering, verbal humiliation,
incessant (mostly unjust) criticism, by provoking uncertainty and by actively
rejecting or ignoring them. All his interpersonal relationships are deformed and
sick. The longer the relationship – the more it is tinted by the pathological hue
of narcissism. In his marriage, the narcissist recreates the conflicts with his
Primary Objects. He is immature in every walk of marriage, sex included. He
would tend to select the wrong partners or spouse.

He would do everything to lead to the fulfilment of his greatest horror: being
deserted. Even the staunchest supporters and lovers ultimately abandon him.

The narcissist then experiences the horrifying complete breakdown of his defences.
He then, naturally, feels lonely – but his loneliness is of the existential, almost solipsist
type. The whole world seems unreal to him, possessed of a nightmarish quality. He
feels disproportionately guilty and assumes all the burden of blame, allocating none
to his partner. Those moments may be the only occasions in which he is in touch
with his emotions – an experience the narcissist is trying to avoid all his life and at
all costs to his mental health. Learning the truth about his emotional infirmity – the
narcissist often entertains suicidal ideation. He cannot countenance deforming his
body, so he is be inclined to use sleeping pills. Even in dwelling upon the thought of
death, the narcissist sticks to his old habits. But, soon enough, the narcissist will have
recovered and escaped to a new psychosexual liaison. Another toy, another object of
gratification will have entered his world. His emotional wounds are shallow and they
heal fast. Only the wounds to his Ego leave scar tissue behind them, a reminder to be
ignored as often as the narcissist can.


"I never said you were "gay" I said you were a little wimpy faggot and a
pussy--THATS MUCH DIFFERENT"

Copyright © David Cole 2002

"Look at your UK group Funny most every Koto is a
fag--in US too---just like Nichiren Shu."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"Oh weee.....little fairy boy has a problem?"
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"Was it good for you? Being their bitch for a night?"
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"All people have the right to be good and evil."
Michelle

"No one will follow wimps and people with psychological
problems and weird perverse habits and behaviors based in unresolved
childhood conflicts and altar--boy consciousness. Tell me
butt-fucking and perversity is cool in our buddhism."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"Keep jerking yourself off Michael."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"No one can refute what I am saying. No one."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"I am distressed like the Daishonin was distressed
about the sick behavior of humankind. I am as solid as a rock."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"She put her hands on her rear-end and bent slightly, spreading
her lips, giving him a rear-view, under the legs, glimpse of her
vagina.
Moving her hands, down further, she spread her labia open and inserted
her right index finger. The unusally bright December sunlight caused the
juices on her pubic hairs to glisten"
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"This faggot version of true buddhism is history, the Daishonin would kick
your fairy little asses and the gakkai as well.... and the Priesthood is
corrupted into habits and monstrous passivity.."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"When stragglers appear on this board and read the nonsense here they are
overwhelmed at how stupid and demented these kook buddhists are. My
insults are surrealism appropriate for ARBN.---maybe some one or two or
three will wake the hell up."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"You guys have the comprehension of donkey poo."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"I'm sure you jerk off too."

Copyright © David Cole 2002

"Of course this is the typical hypocritical crap coming from human beings
that are just dumb. Sorry boys, maybe you and Una should all have an orgy
at taisekiji.......bring Reggie to referee."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"I think you need a stiff stick inserted deeply into your ass and wiggled


around to break up the congestion in there."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"call it what you will, as long as my fellow buddhists friend sit with their
thumbs in their asses refusing to toss away their phoney egos then they are
destroying budhism and deserve worse then any insults."
David Cole

"Plan B for Kosen Rufu -legalize research and religious use of
psychoactive/entheogens.
Otherwise, it just won't happen. People are just too stupid and will need
some help from their goods friends."
David Cole

"Stop donating to any buddhist organization until they unite. If this doesnt
stop them from there ego trips then fuck 'em ---it can all start again without
them and without the warped Japanese versions of things"
Dave Cole

"But now in reality, I might have taught him how, and helped find the way
in, but Michael hacked Mary's computer not I."
David Cole

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"No one will follow wimps and people with psychological

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"dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote

Considering that you don't drink, what the hell would you know about what
some who drank remembers? In fact, there have been a number of studies that
indicate that people DO remember what they do and say when they're drunk and
I never told you I was any of the things you say I said. For a source, I
refer you to Under the Influence, you can pick it up at any bookstore or on
Amazon.com.

Of course, your bringing up my past drinking habits is "responding to
content" or just another lame attempt of yours to put me down?

Cody


c

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>> > You sure were calling me alot. And I detected jealousy when i started
>> > talking to other "women."
>> > dc

>> Please. Don't flatter yourself.
>> Cody<<<<<

>> No dumbell it means you were always so totally drunk you don't know what
>> you were saying.
>> dc

>Considering that you don't drink, what the hell would you know about what
>some who drank remembers?

Oh, David Cole drinks alright. He just likes to pretend that he is
so moral and righteous. When I was with him at the Roger Waters
concert in 2000, he sucked down frozen Margaritas quicker than
I could buy them. The only times he wasn't sucking on his drink, he
was sucking on a joint.
In fact, everything that David Cole accuses others of, he does or has
done himself. Everything from homosexuality to smoking dope to
the stalking of women.


"I never said you were "gay" I said you were a little wimpy faggot and a

pussy--THATS MUCH DIFFERENT"
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"Look at your UK group Funny most every Koto is a
fag--in US too---just like Nichiren Shu."
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"Oh weee.....little fairy boy has a problem?"
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"Was it good for you? Being their bitch for a night?"
Copyright © David Cole 2002

"All people have the right to be good and evil."
Michelle

"No one will follow wimps and people with psychological

dc

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Considering that you don't drink, what the hell would you know about what
some who drank remembers? In fact, there have been a number of studies that
indicate that people DO remember what they do and say when they're drunk and
I never told you I was any of the things you say I said. For a source, I
refer you to Under the Influence, you can pick it up at any bookstore or on
Amazon.com.

Of course, your bringing up my past drinking habits is "responding to
content" or just another lame attempt of yours to put me down?

Cody<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

You are kidding yourself Cody.

Each ounce = at least 100,000 more dead brain cells. We already know what
you've done to your liver. You have a fatal disease and don't even know it.
everyone could die at any time but in your case it would be from what you
did to YOURSELF. I may be very overweight but I am a vegan and my weight is
due to my incredibly slow and efficient metabolism --but i bought a Bowflex
and will try again to change it. You have spent a lifetime poisoning your
body and mind.

dc<<<<<

The researchers demonstrated that alcoholopens a specific type of ionic
channel, called GIRK. When open, this channelallows that brain cells
eliminate potassium, thus reducing their activity.The result is a slow-down
in brain function, perceived as a relaxing sensationby the drinker.
The direct action of alcohol has onlybeen confirmed in relation to this
specific phenomenon. Other effects ofthe drug, such as the diminishing motor
control, are indirectly causedand required the agency of neurotransmitters
or the changing in voltageof neuron's membranes.
That's why you don't need to fret over your average daily loss of 200,000
neurons --- it's virtually insignificant in the great scheme of things. But
if alcohol doesn't actually kill neurons --- if we've got so many that it
probably wouldn't matter much if it did kill neurons --- then what, exactly,
is alcohol doing to all those cells? And why do chronic drinkers seem to
show clear signs of cognitive dysfunction? As with the science of
fermentation, it took a surprisingly long time for anybody to find answers
to such questions.


Jensen, G.B., and B. Pakkenberg. 1993. Do alcoholics drink their neurons
away? Lancet 342:1201-1204.


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Considering that you don't drink, what the hell would you know about what
>some who drank remembers?

Oh, David Cole drinks alright. He just likes to pretend that he is
so moral and righteous. When I was with him at the Roger Waters
concert in 2000, he sucked down frozen Margaritas quicker than
I could buy them. The only times he wasn't sucking on his drink, he
was sucking on a joint.
In fact, everything that David Cole accuses others of, he does or has
done himself. Everything from homosexuality to smoking dope to
the stalking of women. <<<<<<<<<<<<

Criag you are nuts. You suggested and bought my margaritas and kept loading
your pipe and sticking it in my hand.

No I rarely ever use alcohol or pot. I pity burn outs like you at such a
young age.

dc


c

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On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 22:28:27 GMT, "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Oh, David Cole drinks alright. He just likes to pretend that he is
>so moral and righteous. When I was with him at the Roger Waters
>concert in 2000, he sucked down frozen Margaritas quicker than
>I could buy them. The only times he wasn't sucking on his drink, he
>was sucking on a joint.
>In fact, everything that David Cole accuses others of, he does or has
>done himself. Everything from homosexuality to smoking dope to
>the stalking of women. <<<<<<<<<<<<

>Criag you are nuts. You suggested and bought my margaritas and kept loading
>your pipe and sticking it in my hand.<<

>dc

ROTFL!!! That's the lamest excuse I've ever heard in my life.
Even my 15 year old can come up with better ones than that!
The sad thing is, you really believe that your problems are caused
by others, and not any fault of your own:

"Most narcissists reject the notion or diagnosis that they are mentally
disturbed. Absent powers of introspection and a total lack of self-
awareness are part and parcel of the disorder. Pathological narcissism
is founded on alloplastic defences - the firm conviction that the world

or **others are to blame for one's behaviour.** The narcissist firmly believes
that **people around him should be held responsible** for his reactions or

Cody

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"dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote

>
> Considering that you don't drink, what the hell would you know about what
> some who drank remembers? In fact, there have been a number of studies
that
> indicate that people DO remember what they do and say when they're drunk
and
> I never told you I was any of the things you say I said. For a source, I
> refer you to Under the Influence, you can pick it up at any bookstore or
on
> Amazon.com.
>
> Of course, your bringing up my past drinking habits is "responding to
> content" or just another lame attempt of yours to put me down?
>
> Cody<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> You are kidding yourself Cody.
>
> Each ounce = at least 100,000 more dead brain cells.

Then how come I can think? In fact, since I stopped drinking my mind has
been working very well. Thank you so much for your compassionate concern.

> We already know what
> you've done to your liver.

Catching a disease is a crime? Are you trying to imply that I have been a
bad little boy to my liver or something ridiculous like that?

> You have a fatal disease and don't even know it.

I know a lot more about it than you have any idea. You watch, I will
overcome it. You're misinformed, many people have overcome hep C or lived
long lives even so. It doesn't bother me at all. Doesn't hurt, slow me down,
nothing. If it doesn't bother me, why the fuck does it bother you?

> everyone could die at any time but in your case it would be from what you
> did to YOURSELF. I may be very overweight but I am a vegan and my weight
is
> due to my incredibly slow and efficient metabolism --but i bought a
Bowflex
> and will try again to change it. You have spent a lifetime poisoning your
> body and mind.
>
> dc<<<<<

It's amazing I am still alive, eh? Ready for the football field race, Mr.
Clean?

Tell you what. I'll give you twenty yards head start and I will do it stoned
on hash, deal? Want to bet 500 euros, Mr Healthy? Put your money where your
mouth is or shut the fuck up. Oh, and please, let's give the money to Craig
in case you die from over exertion and a heart attack from being so over
weight. I would feel bad if I had to get the money off your dead body.

I'm up to 20 pushups a day and I walk over twenty city blocks a day. I do
50-75 situps a day and 15 chin ups and you're going to tell me you're in
shape and I am not?

Cody


c

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>"dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote

> I may be very overweight but I am a vegan and my weight
>is due to my incredibly slow and efficient metabolism --but i bought a
>Bowflex and will try again to change it. You have spent a lifetime poisoning your
> body and mind.
> dc

LOL! You weigh 300 pounds because you never stop stuffing your face David.
That bowflex isn't going to do one iota of good unless you stop gorging
yourself 10 times a day

"I never said you were "gay" I said you were a little wimpy faggot and a

dc

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>Criag you are nuts. You suggested and bought my margaritas and kept
loading
>your pipe and sticking it in my hand.<<
>dc

ROTFL!!! That's the lamest excuse I've ever heard in my life.
Even my 15 year old can come up with better ones than that!
The sad thing is, you really believe that your problems are caused
by others, and not any fault of your own:<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I dont get to hang out with drinkers and drug addicts much. I had two of
those watered down frozen slushie margaritas and all the pot you could hand
me. to be quite honest my memory of your face is with the Hash Pipe in your
mouth. You smoked on the road when I meet you are the motel where you sent
your wife off and all through thwe concert.

In short that is your day every day we know that. I enjoyed the concert and
you, but then i didn't know you did I? I did wonder why you spent so much
time spamming on arbn.

dc

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On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 22:28:27 GMT, "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Oh, David Cole drinks alright. He just likes to pretend that he is
>so moral and righteous. When I was with him at the Roger Waters
>concert in 2000, he sucked down frozen Margaritas quicker than
>I could buy them. The only times he wasn't sucking on his drink, he
>was sucking on a joint.
>In fact, everything that David Cole accuses others of, he does or has
>done himself. Everything from homosexuality to smoking dope to
>the stalking of women. <<<<<<<<<<<<

>Criag you are nuts. You suggested and bought my margaritas and kept loading
>your pipe and sticking it in my hand.<<

>dc

ROTFL!!! That's the lamest excuse I've ever heard in my life.
Even my 15 year old can come up with better ones than that!
The sad thing is, you really believe that your problems are caused
by others, and not any fault of your own:

"Most narcissists reject the notion or diagnosis that they are mentally

dc

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You are kidding yourself Cody.
>
> Each ounce = at least 100,000 more dead brain cells.

Then how come I can think? In fact, since I stopped drinking my mind has
been working very well. Thank you so much for your compassionate
concern.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

You think you can think. thats the problem.

You have a much diminished capacity. Good thing you stopped when you did.
I know i was beggin you to stop, but a ferw might later yoiu'd call me
completely drunk again. I'd ask how much you drank....you'd say "only a 12
pack."

I'd say "I never drank more then two beers at a time in my life."

dc


c

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Apr 14, 2002, 6:54:11 PM4/14/02
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David Cole "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>I dont get to hang out with drinkers and drug addicts much. I had two of
>those watered down frozen slushie margaritas and all the pot you could hand
>me. to be quite honest my memory of your face is with the Hash Pipe in your
>mouth. You smoked on the road when I meet you are the motel where you sent
>your wife off and all through thwe concert.
>In short that is your day every day we know that. I enjoyed the concert and
>you, but then i didn't know you did I? I did wonder why you spent so much
>time spamming on arbn.
>dc

"Most narcissists reject the notion or diagnosis that they are mentally

disturbed. Absent powers of introspection and a total lack of self-
awareness are part and parcel of the disorder. Pathological narcissism
is founded on alloplastic defences - the firm conviction that the world
or **others are to blame for one's behaviour.** The narcissist firmly believes
that **people around him should be held responsible** for his reactions or
have triggered them.
With such a state of mind so firmly entrenched, the narcissist is incapable
of admitting that something is wrong with HIM.
But that is not to say that the narcissist does not experience his disorder.
He does. But he re-interprets this experience. He regards his dysfunctional
behaviours - social, sexual, emotional, mental - as conclusive and irrefutable
proof of his superiority, brilliance, distinction, prowess, might, or success.
Rudeness to others is reinterpreted as efficiency.
Abusive behaviours are cast as educational. Sexual absence as proof of
preoccupation with higher functions. His rage is always just and a reaction
to injustice or being misunderstood by intellectual dwarves.
Thus, paradoxically, the disorder becomes an integral and inseparable part
of the narcissist's inflated self-esteem and vacuous grandiose fantasies"
http://samvak.tripod.com/journal15.html

Cody

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"dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> You are kidding yourself Cody.
> >
> > Each ounce = at least 100,000 more dead brain cells.
>
> Then how come I can think? In fact, since I stopped drinking my mind has
> been working very well. Thank you so much for your compassionate
> concern.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> You think you can think. thats the problem.

Funny, my clients and collegues continue to do business with me year after
year and the comments I get are quite the opposite.


>
> You have a much diminished capacity. Good thing you stopped when you
did.
> I know i was beggin you to stop, but a ferw might later yoiu'd call me
> completely drunk again. I'd ask how much you drank....you'd say "only a
12
> pack."
>
> I'd say "I never drank more then two beers at a time in my life."
>
> dc

You better check that sobriety you've been getting high on. There is no such
thing as a "twelve pack" in Spain. It must have been what YOU picked up at
the 7 Eleven.

Cody


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