Nikken History of Truth telling - Urine
Jim Cub 3D
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Date: Thu, 11 November 1999 07:18 PM EST
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Jim Celer, "Soka" Gakkai Midwest Bureau "CHIEF" says:
>The following is a translation of an article that appeared on page 1
>of the November 19, 1997 Soka Shimpo, the Newspaper of the Soka Gakkai
>Youth Division.
> Nikken's drinking urine> I tried to drain the mud-colored
>water from Nikken's bath tub, but at that time, a senior priest yelled
>at me saying that the muddy solution is something the High Priest
>cherishes. Nikken not only bathed in the oat water, but also drank it.
>>>Nikken even tried drinking urine to stay healthy, so there was always
>a cup on top of the toilet. When I asked my senior about this, he
>answered with a frown that Nikken was drinking his urine.
>He is no better than an animal dressed in priestly robes<<<
You are one sick pup Jim. Now I see why they made you
Bureau chief of the gakker dung spewing magazine. You are
so good at it.
Craig
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As you know, you're wrong. Here's what I actually posted:
(I have snipped out of this article irrelevant passages relating to personal
habits, dietary and otherwise).
Jim
The following is a translation of an article that appeared on page 1
of the November 19, 1997 Soka Shimpo, the Newspaper of the Soka Gakkai
Youth Division.
Witnesses Recount Nikken's Lax Attitude in Transcribing Gohonzon
As usual, citing his authority and license as high priest, Nikken has
been putting forth distorted doctrines unrelated to the Daishonin's
teachings, and using the Gohonzon as a tool to threaten believers. In
reality, however, Nikken's own treatment of the Gohonzon is
consistently halfhearted. Below, Mitsuyuki Kobayashi, who witnessed
Nikken's actions in detail firsthand as a as caretaker of the high
priest's quarters, presents his shocking testimony.
Beginning in 1986, for about two years, I took care of Nikken's
quarters. What I saw at that time presented a completely different
picture of the high priest than what I had imagined. What I saw was,
in reality, a degenerate and fraudulent imitation of a high priest.
Among what I witnessed, what I found most unbelievable was Nikken's
half-heartedness in transcribing the Gohonzon.
One day, Nikken had confined himself to a room for the purpose, he
said, of transcribing Gohonzon. The normal procedure for handling
visitors to the high priest's quarters while the high priest is
transcribing the Gohonzon was as follows: Chief priests from branch
temples are not admitted, except in the case of an emergency.
Executive priests are admitted, with the high priest's permission.
On that same day, one executive priest visited the high priest's
quarters to see Nikken. I went to the room where Nikken was
transcribing the Gohonzon to inform him about the visitor. Opening the
door slowly, I heard coming from the room the voice of a comedian,
Kokontei Shinsho.
Nikken, who enjoyed listening to Japanese comic storytelling, often
listened to such comedy tapes during the day. I thought that he must
be taking a break, so I vigorously said, "Excuse me," and entered the
room.
When I did so, I could not believe my own eyes. Nikken was in the
process of transcribing the Gohonzon while listening to the comic
routine, with cassette tapes and a tape player placed on his desk.
When Nikken saw me, he seemed startled. He immediately turned off the
tape player and yelled, "What do you want!"
Nikken reacted as if I had caught him doing something wrong. What I
did in fact witness was his transcribing the Gohonzon while listening
to a comedy routine.
There was another incident where a visitor came by while Nikken was in
the process of transcription. As I entered the room to notify Nikken,
I saw an unfinished Gohonzon and a writing brush left carelessly on
the desk with no one in the room.
In transcribing the Gohonzon, Nikken's style is to first write
Nam-myoho-renge-kyo down the center, then write the Great Heavenly
King Vaishravana (Dai Bishamon-tenno), the Great Heavenly King
Upholder of the Nation (Dai Jikoku-tenno), the Great Heavenly King
Increase and Growth (Dai Zojo-tenno), and the Great Heavenly King
Wide-Eyed (Dai Komoku-tenno). He then transcribes the name of
Shakyamuni Buddha (Namu Shakamuni-butsu), Many Treasures Thus Come One
(Namu Taho Nyorai), Bodhisattva Firmly Established Practices (Namu
Anryugyo Bosatsu), Bodhisattva Pure Practices (Namu Jyogyo Bosatsu),
Bodhisattva Superior Practices (Namu Jogyo Bosatsu), and Bodhisattva
Boundless Practices (Namu Muhengyo Bosatsu). On that occasion,
however, writing on the Gohonzon were only Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, the
Great Heavenly King Vaishravana, the Great Heavenly King Upholder of
the Nation, the Great Heavenly King Increase and Growth, the Great
Heavenly King Wide-Eyed and few other things. What I saw was
definitely an incomplete Gohonzon.
Thinking that Nikken was in the bathroom, I waited in the room for a
while, but he did not return. Next, I stopped by his bedroom. The
bedroom door is usually open when it is not occupied; however, the
door was closed at that time. It seemed that Nikken was actually
taking a nap before completing his transcription of the Gohonzon.
As I called to him from outside the door, Nikken, with a sleepy voice,
replied, "What do you want?!" I informed him that he had a visitor,
and after a while he awkwardly emerged from the bedroom.
On another occasion, I witnessed Nikken transcribing the Gohonzon with
the television playing.
Nikken was always moody on the day of his Gohonzon transcription.
Regarding the Gohonzon, Nichiren Daishonin states in the Gosho, "I,
Nichiren, have inscribed my life in sumi" (vol. 1, p.120). However, I
did not sense from Nikken even the slightest humility or sincerity of
spirit toward the Gohonzon. It seemed as though transcribing it was
burdensome obligation for him.
No matter how much Nikken emphasizes his authority as high priest, the
fact that he would listen to comedy while transcribing the Gohonzon,
or nap whenever he felt sleepy in the process of transcription,
attests to his real attitude.
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Observing Nikken's everyday life, I saw from him no attitude of
discipline or self-challenge with respect to Buddhist practice.
At the head temple, priests who attend the ushitora gongyo service [a
special, extra gongyo performed around 2:00 a.m.] will not do morning
gongyo. However, even when Nikken did not attend the ushitora gongyo,
he rarely performed morning gongyo at the high priest's quarters. In
fact, I can count the number of times that he actually did morning
gongyo. Even then, I could barely hear his voice, and he held his
hands together lazily.
After breakfast, all he did was attend the Gokaihi ceremony [opening
of the altar of the Dai-Gohonzon to worshipers] or meet visitors.
Other than that, he used his time to watch television or listen to
comedy. Neither did Nikken attend every Gokaihi ceremony. He chose
which ceremonies he would attend, and for those he chose not to
attend, the Internal Affairs department would find a replacement for
him.
Nikken rarely performed evening gongyo, either. Soon after I became
his caretaker, I became suspicious of this, so I kept watch on the
Gohonzon room from the caretaker's room one night. The light in the
Gohonzon room did not go on the entire night.
At nine o'clock, Nikken went to sleep, locking his door from the
inside. Usually, about fifteen minutes prior to the ushitora gongyo, I
seated myself formally by Nikken's door, and waited for him to get up.
However, he often overslept.
Also, Nikken loved going to hot springs, and went on a hot-spring trip
almost every month in what was described as the high priest's
"incognito movement.".
He went to various hot springs, such as Kami-Kouchi in Nagano, Gero in
Gifu, Kusatsu in Gunma, and other hot springs in Kyoto and Izu..
According to Nikken's former driver, Zuido Matsumoto, presently at
Myojo-ji in Saitama, Nikken stayed at high-class hotels where rooms
cost several thousand dollars a night.
<snip of comments on Nikken's bathing and dietary experiments>
Despite of his attentiveness to his health, Nikken was negligent in
performing most of his duties as high priest. Although there were
requests from chief priests at branch temples for Nikken to inscribe
gravestones, he would not work on them until about twenty such
requests had accumulated. This was despite the fact that some among
them were for memorial services whose dates had already been set. But
even when one of the attendants informed him of the deadline, he only
yelled out, "I know! I'll work on it!" though he still did not work
on them. Because of this, even the Private Affairs department did not
know how to handle Nikken regarding such requests from the branch
temples; they simply told us attendant, "You need to tell the High
Priest to work on them more."
Moreover, I was surprised at the size of monetary donations received
from chief priests at the branch temples. In 1987, the late Mr. Abe,
a chief priest at Jikyo-ji, located at Kawasaki City in Kanagawa
Prefecture, visited Nikken with a cardboard box. After the chief
priest left, I was told by Nikken to take the box away. As I picked up
the box, Nikken informed me that it contained 100 million yen (approx.
1 million dollars).
Every time large donations were received, Shinryo Ishii, known as
Nikken's safety box guard, usually came early to the high priest's
quarters. Ishii was the one who looked after Nikken's money.
However, Nikken often yelled at and hit Ishii. Even Masako (Nikken's
wife) told Ishii, "You're so stupid. Why don't you get it together!"
When chief priests came to visit at the beginning of the year, they
frequently brought with them donations of several million yen.
Donations were usually carried from the reception room to Nikken's
living room. Waiting in living room would be Ishii, as well as
Nikken's wife, Masako, and their daughter Yuriko. The latter two,
being only Nikken's family, should have had nothing to do with the
accounts of the priesthood or the temple.
Nikken's daughter, Yuriko, frequently visited the high priest's
quarters as if it were her home. Her husband, a priest named Yoshizumi
Hayase, would follow her as he carried her purse and bow to us,
Nikken's attendants, as he entered. It was a pitiful sight.
Known as an "instant boiler" because of his very bad temper, no one
could control Nikken's violent outbursts. Whether it was a young
acolyte or a 50-year old chief priest, and regardless of the
surroundings, when Nikken was dissatisfied with someone, he would hit
the person. Nikken struck me many times for various reasons, such as
burning incense incorrectly, or speaking in a way that displeased him.
However, while he would strike out at someone crazily at one moment,
he would be laughing as if nothing ever happened the next. I can only
conclude that such duality is extremely abnormal.
What I have testified to here is only the tip of the iceberg.
Nevertheless, those Hokkeko members who are being deceived by Nikken
must not be aware of this reality.
Through observing Nikken, I became aware of his decadence, of how he
is completely subverting the Buddhism of Nichiren Daishonin. It is
exactly as stated in the gosho, "He is no better than an animal
dressed in priestly robes." (MW-3, 215) It is clear that this sort of
"high priest" has no right to transcribe the Gohonzon. As long as I
have a mission, I am determined to tell the truth, and to fight
against evil by speaking about the real Nikken.
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Association of Reformists of Nichiren Shoshu
Chief Priest Shojun Ohashi
Nikken's halfhearted attitude towards the Gohonzon is well known
within Nichiren Shoshu. On one occasion, a phrase from a member's
Joju Gohonzon that Nikken had transcribed was missing. When Nikken
was informed about it, he answered as if not wanting to be bothered,
"Did that person notice it? If not, then ignore it."
The Nikken Sect uses the "Gohonzon Nanaka Sojo" [General Teaching on
Seven Points Concerning the Gohonzon] as a golden rule pertaining to
transcribing the Gohonzon. It states that "Using or taking the
Gohonzon lightly is the worst possible act of distortion and forsaking
of this teaching." In other words, Nikken is himself is committing the
worst possible act. The Gohonzon is the spirit of Nichiren Daishonin,
but Nikken, who uses the Gohonzon for profit or as a tool to control
believers, should never be forgiven.
Association of Reformist of Nichiren Shoshu
Chief Priest Yuho Miyagawa.
I, too, have witnessed Nikken's transcription of the Gohonzon. Nikken
often stepped out in the middle of performing Gohonzon transcriptions.
During the summer, he would frequently take breaks in the bath,
stating that he was perspiring from the heat, and then go to rest in
the garden. Of course the Gohonzon was left in the midst of
transcription, lying in the middle of the tatami mat. Also, the sumi
ink Nikken used was left over from that used for ordinary calligraphy.
Transcribing a Gohonzon must have been the same to Nikken as doing
ordinary calligraphy for a commemorative card, or for a hanging
scroll.
We usually checked the finished Gohonzon to make sure there were no
mistakes. Once, however, we found that part of a character was
missing, and we informed Nikken as he was on his way to the Gokaihi
ceremony. When he heard this, he answered meanly, "What! Just leave
it as it is!" His response was shocking to me.
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>The following is a translation of an article that appeared on page 1
>of the November 19, 1997 Soka Shimpo, the Newspaper of the Soka Gakkai
>Youth Division.
> Nikken's drinking urine> I tried to drain the mud-colored
>water from Nikken's bath tub, but at that time, a senior priest yelled
>at me saying that the muddy solution is something the High Priest
>cherishes. Nikken not only bathed in the oat water, but also drank it.
>>>Nikken even tried drinking urine to stay healthy, so there was always
>a cup on top of the toilet. When I asked my senior about this, he
>answered with a frown that Nikken was drinking his urine.
>He is no better than an animal dressed in priestly robes<<<
You are one sick pup Jim. Now I see why they made you
Bureau chief of the gakker dung spewing magazine. You are
so good at it.
Craig
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"In an honest discussion, there SHOULD be embarrassing posts. There should be
ignorance."
Jim Celer
"Saying that Buddhism is "everyone has to love
everyone" is in my view a five-year old (emotional / intellectual
development level) version of some insipid rendition of Christ's
teachings masquerading as Buddhism."
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"True Enlightenment is simply waking up to ones humanity."
Chris Holte
"The S.G.I. and the waves of Kosen-Rufu we are
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to Daisaku Ikeda is unfathomable !"
Allan Saunders, Very Proud SGI Schill
"As far as I am concerned if the rest of the adherents of your concepts of what you so
slanderously call Buddhism, die, as the ones that have in the past, I
would not weap one tear for them"
A confused SGI member
"You find guys with radios "creepy". Fine.
I am not on arbn to discuss religion with you.I am on arbn to watch you.
The children of the Buddha have the right to watch the enemies of the
Buddha. And we have the right to use the Internet, radios...
I'll give the point to you: the only reason (besides the fun) I'm on arbn
is to watch you guys. I think you are extremely dangerous."
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"I want YOU to prove to ME that YOU aren't a gd son of a bitch mf...
You can convince me by dressing up in a tutu and having conjugal
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Jack Shoults (MIA)
"You have a lot of nerve to call yourselves Buddhist. I would describe you all as
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and use your faces to wipe his ASS."
A very confused SGI member
"I am afraid of going to the temple, you're right. But not for the
reasons that you suppose. I am afraid that if I attempt to go there, I
will not be welcome and I will set everyone's teeth on edge and curdle
the milk."
>I have heard them say they would go to hell with their master.
You heard ME say that, David.
SGI Jack Shoults (MIA)
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Christopher H. Holte
respond in a level way like you did. Until people learn not to respond
with Ad-hominem attacks or respond to personal attacks with personal
attacks, the only way to debate is to take the moral high ground by not
acting nasty oneself. I commend your patience.
This is probably Craig's 50th posting of the same message since I've
been visiting ARBN. I can't condone the behavior of people who respond
in kind, but you here are setting the right example. That original
posting was from a book written by an ex housekeeper. It was tabloid
journalism and so has to be taken with about as much salt as a Jerry
Springer episode. (Jerry by the way has admitted he hires actors). It
was probably a mistake for us to ever post it. But then Craig's
response to it has been to slice out a few words and repeatedly use
them to try to demean you and discredit your postings. The same tactic
that is used with all SGI members and Ikeda himself.
Unfortunately there are SGI members and anti Temple people who use the
same tactic as anti-SGI people and some Temple members. That is what
makes this Barn a place that could use a visit from Hercules.
Regardless of what the priests may or may not do in their private
lives, that original posting was "nasty". What makes articles like
this so tempting is that the priesthood made their private lives a
public issue when they denied that they needed to reform themselves and
made obedience to them and faith in the High Priest an artical of their
religion and a point of contention. It's a damn shame that this fight
had to be so nasty.
In article <19991111223105...@ng-cn1.aol.com>,
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<a href="http://www.gosho.net/">Read the Gosho for yourself!</a><br>
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Christopher H. Holte</a>
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Before you buy.
La Résistance
wrote:
>The only way to refute nasty postings like this one by Craig, is to
>respond in a level way like you did.
Well let's have a look at this.
Craig alleged that Jim posted an article saying:
"Nikken even tried drinking urine to stay healthy, so there was always
a cup on top of the toilet. When I asked my senior about this, he
answered with a frown that Nikken was drinking his urine."
Jim denied this, but he has forgotten that www.deja.com keeps archives of all
newsgroup posts. I had a look there and...ooops - looks like Jimbo was lying !
see:
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=367541499&CONTEXT=899568708.41353276&hitnum=1
Subject: Re: World Tribune Editor, Jim Celer, Confirmed as Master Dung Spewer
Date: 1998/06/30
Author: Jim Cub 3D <jimc...@aol.com>
snip
"Nikken Drinks His Own Urine and Other Interesting Facts."
snip
"Nikken even tried drinking urine to stay healthy, so there was always a cup on
top of the toilet. When I asked my senior about this, he answered with a frown
that Nikken was drinking his urine."
any comments ?
Chris ?
Jim ?
If Jim is now so embarrassed about the work of his cult group then he should
leave them and apologise for posting that crap - not deny doing it altogether.
Paul
La Résistance
>The ones apologizing should be you and Craig. I never wrote the words you
>ascribe to me - they were in the article, posted by someone else, that I
>quoted. As you know.
Yes, I believe Terry Ruby was the original person to post this literary dogmuck.
You did the world of reasoned, sincere debate a favour by reposting it at a
later date.
La Résistance
>As you also know, the story is about 30 paragrpahs long, and contains ONE
>paragraph that addreses such personal habits. And -- as you know -- the only
>ones who quote that paragraph, and only that pragraph, are members of your
>sect.
That's not true. You posted it TWICE - see :
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=367541499&CONTEXT=899568708.41353276&hitnum=1
and
http://x24.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=367315883&CONTEXT=942485744.269418579&hitnum=222
and Teery Ruby posted it
http://x24.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=328899181.3&CONTEXT=942485744.269418579&hitnum=224
>And further -- as you know -- I have consistently de-emphasized that
>paragraph, even excising it, as in the message I just posted that you're
>replying to.
I would have slightly more respect for you if you admitted that it was totally
base journalism and an absolute disgrace to the Soka Gakkai. Instead you cut it,
attempt to hide it and then blame us !
>Here's a challenge for you, Paul: Refute what the article says, without
>resorting to your usual slimy gimmick to deflect attention form it.
the article has absolutely no proof other than the rantings of paid Ikedaites.
Even asking me to refute it is an insult to reasoned debate - I might as well
debate the content of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. If it was a decent
article, you wouldn't be so embarrassed that you had to cut bits of it out.
Jim Cub 3D
The ones apologizing should be you and Craig. I never wrote the words you
ascribe to me - they were in the article, posted by someone else, that I
quoted. As you know.
As you also know, the story is about 30 paragrpahs long, and contains ONE
paragraph that addreses such personal habits. And -- as you know -- the only
ones who quote that paragraph, and only that pragraph, are members of your
sect.
And further -- as you know -- I have consistently de-emphasized that
paragraph, even excising it, as in the message I just posted that you're
replying to. But, as you know, you and Craig continue to post it and ONLY it
from a rather long treatise on Nikken's lax attitude toward inscribing
Gohonzon.
You don't really expect anyone to go search Deja - you think your just citing
it will be "proof", that readers will assume you must be right. I hope people
DO go there, and view the whole sordid history of your and Craig's twisting.
Now, Paul: Don't you think there is something wroing with a religion is the
way you have to propagate it is by using trickery and word-twisting to attack
another religion? If the religion you propagate had anything to commend it,
you wouldn't have to be doing this, would you?
Jim
Here's a challenge for you, Paul: Refute what the article says, without
resorting to your usual slimy gimmick to deflect attention form it. Or, even
if you don;t wnat to do that, honestly address the poimnts I make in THIS
message.
You know the true nature of what you're doing. Does it speak well of your
religion?
Jim
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