Idealized Nichiren Shoshu Gakkai
dc
released a brand new "Buddhist Dictionary." If the Gakkai was
truly discarding the Daigohonzon, they would have done so in this
dictionary. I myself believed that they were planning to do so at
some point, but recently, speaking with a Gakkai, Japanese Study Department
person, I confirmed their basic views of Nichiren Buddhism remain unchanged
from the
Nichiren Shoshu basics. There is no intention in the Gakkai to
leave Nikko Shonin's school of Nichiren Buddhism---regardless
of the fanatic views from either side,
On the contrary The Dai Gohonzon, continues to be the "True Object of
Worship," in the Gakkai and all the correct teaching of Nichiren
Shoshu are still upheld by the Gakkai. The Dai Gohonzon is still
the center of the second silent prayer. The Gakkai praises such
Priests as Nikko Shonin, Nichimoku Shonin, Nichikan Shonin, 59th
High Priest Nichikou, 65th High Priest Nichijun Shonin, and 65th
High Priest Nittatsu Shonin and some others, but those who were
infamous they now repudiate.
In reality, Nichikou Shonin (Rev Hori) and Nichijun Shonin, (Rev
Horigome) also, without making it public knowledge, repudiated a
number of High Priests who had disgraced Nichiren Shoshu.
In the past the Gakkai too, covered up the true reality of many of
the High Priest in modern times. In reality, Rev Hori and Rev
Horigome told the truth and were very strong Gakkai supporters
In Japan just 60 years ago the Emperor was "God." Even to
Buddhists...legally it was a fact. It was the Law of the Land.
A law and ancient tradition that even Nichiren Buddhists followed,
even the Daishonin, in the gosho, could barely
conceive of a future world without the "Emperor," even though he
understood this this was "just the chief of a little island
country." He still enscribed on the Gohonozon, Amaterasu and Jimmo
Tengu who ultimatley means the Emperor as a divinity.
The struggle Toda had with the Priesthood early on, was all about
the difference between "honji suijaku" vs. "han-honji-suijaku
setsu," or "Shinpon-butsuju setsu."
You may know all about this I am not sure, but the first term means
the "gods" (emperor included) are emanations from Buddha. This was
the more orthodox view. The view that reverses this, is the "han-
honji-suijaku setsu," or "Shinpon-butsuju setsu," view. These mean
the Buddha, is subsidiary to the gods ( the emperor). This was
what the argument between the temple and Toda/gakkai at that time,
was about. Here is where the layman Toda, was "dealing" with the
Priesthood valiently and actually correcting the Priesthood.
You may not know the details, , but I'm sure you know of Rev
Ogasawara, the Nouke, who was teaching ""han-honji-suijaku setsu,"
and "Shinpon-butsuju setsu." The one Toda punched......and the one
Ikeda and the YMD marched up to the Five Story Pagoda and threw down
to the ground to apologize at the Grave of Makiguchi, and he was a
friend of the 60th High Priest, Nichidai Shonin, Nikken Shonin's
father (actually looking at the websites from the reformed priests
and seeing the photos, ot appears his real father was a Takano,
Nichikai was also a Nouke who was asked to resign from that position
by the 58th High Priest Nitchu .
Now Nichikai was very wealthy and according to one of the Greatest
High Priests, he had bribed the Shukai. and they met, headed up by
Rev Ogasawara, who was busy selling out Nichiren Shoshu to the
government, in a plot to combine all Nichiren Sects and he would be
the new High Priest of that imagined group, and so they axed, High
Priest Nitchu . This was all about money and Nichikai held the
purse strings.
How do we know this?..........
From Rev Hori, the 59th High Priest Nichikou. He was the Great High
Priest who, when retired, organized and single handedly, wrote 134
volumes of the Fuji School doctrine and with Toda and Rev
Horigome, compiled and published the Gosho Zenshu.
Toda and Rev Hori Nichikou, were very close. Nichikai had created
one of the biggest spectacles in the History of Nichiren Shoshu,
resultuing in the arrest of a bunch of Priests by the Police when
he, forced Nichikou ( who he himself had installed) to resign, then
fixed an election, hiring Yakuza to force the vote his way. He
became the 60th High Priest The disgrace even hit all the newspapers
and the actual newspaper can be found online along with many other
old and REAL newspaper articles. It was well known to Japan
and the bribery and resulting Lawsuit by Rev Akimoto his
competitor, was a major scandel in Japanese newspapers.
Rev Mizutani who became the 61st High Priest after Nichidai, was
busted for embezzling 9000 yen from Nichiren Shoshu and had
scandels over Geishas.
And Nikkyo 62nd High Priest, died in the flames, who declared Japan
winning WW2 was "the Buddha's mandate" To prove this just look at
those Dai Nichiren speeches from 1941. It is degraceful that trhis
kind of thing happened. Denying that it happened or covering it up
is also disgraceful.
The 63rd High Priest Nichiman, who reinstated Ogasawara, even after
his plots to push the idea that the Buddha was Transient and
Amaterasu/Emperor was True------was forced to resign after selling
timber from Taisekiji Land, for his own personal fortune, Nissho,
his successor, the 64th High Priest, began to solicit tourism to
Taisekiji, so instead, Toda intervened, saying, "we shouldn't take
money from non-believers," and instituted the Tozan schedule for
the very first time in history and made it work. Toda
was the one who really had to deal with all of this, but he had
attained Bodhi in Prison, so he knew what he was doing. All of
these scandels appears in the newpspers of the time and photos of
these newspapers are available online and are there for all to see.
Reverend Horigome, 65th High Priest Nichijun Shonin, was a
revolutionary Nichiren Shoshu Priest, he had been the assitant to
Rev Hori during the compiling of the Gosho Zenshu. He was a great
supporter of the Gakkai. He was the humblest High Priest. Later he
wrote:
"There is not the slightest discrepancy between the teachings of
Nichiren Daishonin and Mr. Makiguchi's concepts.... I would not say
he underwent a transformation after encountering the Lotus Sutra.
Rather, I am convinced he had been an emissary of the Buddha all
along and, through the teaching of that sutra, became awakened to
and could reveal his true status. I am overwhelmed with awe for such
a great teacher."
IN OTHERWORDS, THOSE NST/HOKKEKO MEMEBERS OR PRIESTS, WHO ATTACK THE
TERM "VALUE CREATION" or "HUMAN REVOLUTION" ARE IN FACT, ALSO ATTACKING
AND CONTRDICTING THE WORDS OF ONE OF THE GREATEST HIGH PRIESTS OF
NICHIREN SHOSHU HISTORY. THEY ARE ALSO PITIFULLY IGNORANT OF THE
CORRESPONDING TERMS IN BUDDHISM---terms that come directly out of the Lotus
Sutra.
He also wrote later
Rev Horigome 65th High Priest Nichijun Shonin :
"In retrospect of the 700-some-year history of Nichiren Shoshu, and
comparing its past to the current situation surrounding our sect, I
think we are in a totally new age. Thanks to the Soka Gakkai's
efforts in shakubuku, the True Law has spread throughout the country
to an unprecedented degree.
We can now witness the unheard-of expansion of Nichiren Shoshu. It
seems to me that future historians will define the first 700 years
of Nichiren Shoshu as an age in which the priesthood protected the
Law for kosen-rufu. In the past there were times when Nichiren
Shoshu achieved a certain degree of prosperity, but it happened only
within the realm of protecting the Law." (Now we are spreading the
Law)
He appointed another humble Priest, Nittatsu Shonin.....and High
Priest Nikken appointed himself, according to all the Priest
witnesses and family members---including Nittatsu Shonin's own son,
himself a Priest. This is sad but accirding to these people it is
true.
So I guess what I am saying is that Makiguchi and Toda, fought the
battle with the Priesthood, FOR the Priesthood, trying to fight for
the Idealized Nichiren Shoshu. (The Nichiren Shoshu/Gakkai ideal I follow
and the
one most intelligent people would want to follow too.) .........The Ideal.
The Ideal Gakkai, once you get beyond the fanatics and the insane person
worship,
is also attemptiong to be the true lay organaization.
It is also useful to turn to the history of Nichiren Shu sects as
well to see it's terrible and pitiful past. There were long periods
of time where they where sponsering the murder of those with the
fuji fuse ideas and other sects. If one want to study the long and
drawn out history of how Nchiren Sects battled disgrqcefully with
one another there is a excellent, quite objective book, easily
available at big book stores like Barnes and Noble, entitled "A
History of Japanese Religion," by Kazuo Kasahara.
I am also sure that those that sought refuge in a "kinder gentler,"
Nichiren Shu, did so due to negative experiences with NST/Gakkai. Many of
them
desguise this with doctrinal issues--but I believe that is very faulty
reasoning,
The fact that the causal bond in reality, is that thoise who did appear out
of nowhere,
in western countries, at the alter of NST via the Gakkai, did so due to an
inherent
mystic-connection (kanni-myo.)
That all of these kinds of theories need to be updated from the viewpoint of
science in my mind is a given, and that all Nichiren believers need to
overcome the schisms that emerged as from Nichiren's own imperfections and
shortcomings, as a leader of Buddhism, is also a given. The old adage that
"an apple never falls far from the tree," hold true. The arguing Nichiren
Sects are a reflection of thise things not yet fathomed by Gautama, the
Daishonin or the authors of the Lotus Sutra as well. Only people in Itai
Doshin can find the meaning of real "buddhahood," in the world.
People in general, have to become far more broad minded about the real
origin of
religion, the deeper reality of Buddhism and the fact that even Nichiren or
any individual, highly enlightened person is/was not infallible, and that
protocol is simply protocol that should always be evolving and never turn
into fixed and rigid dogma. even the Dai Gohonzon is a primtive Symbol and
focal point for meditation, not a sacred GOD, with innate magic powers. It
is the spirit behind it that is the "power," not some magical influence.
At this point, Reconstruction cannot happen without some deconstruction and
both
sides need deconstruction.
dc
John Timothy Hall
and if you try to organize it, you destroy it(to paraphase Krishnamurti).
That's whats caused your scisim: the Organization. That and the hero worship
inherent in Nichirenism(for me it is not Dharma practice or what some would
call "Buddhism".
voidtech
--
"It's a crazy mixed up world."
deejay
wrote:
: What's all this got to do with Bukkake?
what is Bukkake?
atheramari
and if you try to organize it, you destroy it(to paraphase Krishnamurti).
That's whats caused your scisim: the Organization. That and the hero worship
inherent in Nichirenism(for me it is not Dharma practice or what some would
call "Buddhism".
voidtech
@@@@@@@@@@
Agreeing with a leader, especially after experiencing what they say, is not
hero worship.
But, not knowing what your agreeing to, is out there......
Have you merged with Nichiren Shu yet, Void?
D
John Timothy Hall
> What's all this got to do with Bukkake? The Truth is a pathless land
> and if you try to organize it, you destroy it(to paraphase Krishnamurti).
> That's whats caused your scisim: the Organization. That and the hero worship
> inherent in Nichirenism(for me it is not Dharma practice or what some would
>
> voidtech
>
> @@@@@@@@@@
>
> Agreeing with a leader, especially after experiencing what they say, is not
> hero worship.
The Tao that can be named is not the real Tao. He who knows does not say
and he who says does not know. Do you agree with that? Follow the leader?
Give me a break!
> But, not knowing what your agreeing to, is out there......
Yeah, one should always read the fine print. In your case the "fine
print" is mystical calligraphy on rice paper or wood or whatever the fuck
that fisherman's son wrote the Gohanson on. I know one should never end
a sentence with a preposition but there it is.
> Have you merged with Nichiren Shu yet, Void?
No, but Dave Cole and I are having a Vulcan mind meld.
> D
voidtech
atheramari
:)~
D
atheramari
leave Nikko Shonin's school of Nichiren Buddhism---regardless
of the fanatic views from either side
@@@@@@@@@@
Intentions?? SGI did not kick Nichiren Shoshu out. Huh?
Excuse me!!.... Nichiren Shoshu expelled the Soka Gakkai TWICE, correct?
1991, and 1997 finally, in the final excommunications after warning the Soka
Gakkai to join Nichiren Shoshu OR ELSE.
I think that is leaving Nichiren Shoshu, am I right? Actually leaving it
twice. Nichiren Shoshu kicked SGI out, not SGI kicked Nichiren Shoshu out.
Correct?
D
dc
No slogan will do, john. Not Krishnamurtis---not anyone. He failed
miserably too. (I know that situation well.)
We live in a world of primotive times where expedients, such as
"organization" are necessary.
Camelot was destroyed when Arthur allowed himself to become corrupt. The
goodness in Camelot withered. What Nichiren did do, was realize and propose
the principle of Esho Funi. That the world/environment is a reflection of
where people are at. Even deaf, dumb and blind, living with simple faith
and unity, could make the environment (consisting of themselves, the
material world and other beings,) the 'Place where all beings can enjoy
themselves,"
Dogma, protocol, organization, all of those things are on a continuum--- and
one must pick up every stitch. They is no slogan why out,
dc
>>>>What's all this got to do with Bukkake? The Truth is a pathless land
and if you try to organize it, you destroy it(to paraphase Krishnamurti).
That's whats caused your scisim: the Organization. That and the hero worship
inherent in Nichirenism(for me it is not Dharma practice or what some would
call "Buddhism".
voidtech>>>>>>>>>>
I think an important thing to consider, is that recently the SGI
released a brand new "Buddhist Dictionary." If the Gakkai was
truly discarding the Daigohonzon, they would have done so in this
dictionary. I myself believed that they were planning to do so at
some point, but recently, speaking with a Gakkai, Japanese Study Department
person, I confirmed their basic views of Nichiren Buddhism remain unchanged
from the
Nichiren Shoshu basics. There is no intention in the Gakkai to
leave Nikko Shonin's school of Nichiren Buddhism---regardless
atheramari
@@@@@@@@@@
David, how can you put Nichiren Shoshu and Gakkai in the same sentence? They
are not the same religion?
Ask Nichiren Shoshu. They made out the formal excommunications.
D
atheramari
atheramari (ather...@aol.comnospam) writes:
> What's all this got to do with Bukkake? The Truth is a pathless land
> and if you try to organize it, you destroy it(to paraphase Krishnamurti).
> That's whats caused your scisim: the Organization. That and the hero worship
> inherent in Nichirenism(for me it is not Dharma practice or what some would
> call "Buddhism").
>
> voidtech
>
> @@@@@@@@@@
>
> Agreeing with a leader, especially after experiencing what they say, is not
> hero worship.
The Tao that can be named is not the real Tao. He who knows does not say
and he who says does not know. Do you agree with that? Follow the leader?
Give me a break!
@@@@@@@@@
Tao smao, I wasn't talking about Tao, I was just saying SGI doesn't hero
worship like NST throws about.
I listen to people who make sense, thats it.
I dont listen to you do I?
D
atheramari
what is Bukkake?
@@@@@@@@@
I dont know either..OKAY? I was just making a comment about that SAME comment
about members in the old NSA, hero worshipping in YET another form of slipping
it past!
Sheesh
D
Cody
"dc" <dc...@ojai.net> wrote
What Nichiren did do, was realize and propose
the principle of Esho Funi. <<<<
This from the guy who is constantly bemoaning that he is surrounded by
idiots and morons.
Cody
atheramari
This from the guy who is constantly bemoaning that he is surrounded by
idiots and morons.
Cody
@@@@@@@@@@@
You Cody?
D
atheramari
This from the guy who is constantly bemoaning that he is surrounded by
idiots and morons.
Cody
@@@@@@@@@
And that would be....Cody?
D
MarcInMD
leave Nikko Shonin's school of Nichiren Buddhism---regardless
of the fanatic views from either side,<
"Nikko's school" of Nichiren Buddhism, for your information, consisted of four
main temples. Taisekiji, Honmonji north, Honmonji south and Yoboji.
Honmonji north at Omusa was it's head temple. Nikko lived there, taught there
and is buried there. Yoboji was the most influential and successful because it
was located in Kyoto, not way out in the countryside. Taisekiji's claim to fame
was that it was founded first but it was in fact only a clan temple run by the
Nanjo family.
The entire Nikko branch never consisted of more than two percent of all
Nichiren Buddhists until modern times and the SGI expansion.Nikko leaving
Minobu was in fact only a minor schism. He founded no sperate doctrine from the
other Priests. There was no Dai-Gohonzon yet, "Nichiren as Buddha" doctrine or
notions of a "Kechimyaku" Those were all added centuries later by Taisekiji
after they began getting cozy with the Tendai Shu. They even sent their Priests
to Mt. Hiei for special esoteric transmissions.
None of the other parts of the Nikko branch believe in any of the afor
mentioned new doctrines that Taisekiji has added. They remained loyal to Nikko
and to his original doctrine which does not at all resemble what the Nichiren
Shoshu or SGI teach today.
Cody
"MarcInMD" <marc...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030519085745...@mb-m02.aol.com...
Yawn, Marc's usual uninformed broken record.
Cody
Akira
Nice eyeliner, David.
Cody>>
>>
Wow... I'm speechless. Freaky for sure!
By the way, check out his honzon
ak
Akira
<jonp...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> Considering that they have been pulling our chains for over a month
now,
>the>> only logical conclusion is they have no proof.
>>
>> Cody
>>
>Poor Cody, he wants the world to run on his schedule. I will tell
you what
>Cody, I will send an e-mail to the people in Tokyo and tell them that
you
>are in a big hurry and they had best "crap" or get off the pot. I am
sure
>this will inspire them to move more rapidly on the negotiations.
When you asked for Cody to give you the name and phone number of his
priest who said you are full of it, he complied. When he asked you for
the name and phone number of your source for this silly rumor, you
dodged the issue. Nuff said!
ak
Akira
><< It does seem to me that most of the energy that keeps this dispute
>public and high profile flows from SGI and something called Soka
>Spirit. It's really too bad because it creates a negative public
>image for all of Nichiren Buddhism and I think it keeps many people
>away from this wonderful form of practice. >>
>
>I agree entirely. It's an interesting point that this particular
>thread, which is very civil and reasonable, is not garnering anything
>like the attention that the threads involving insults, accusations
and
>nastiness get. I don't know if the participants here are really
>representative of the various factions or are abberrations, but
>certainly anyone perusing these files will get the idea that Nichiren
>Buddhists would rather fight than dialogue.
Why don't you guys start a new dialogue group. You could call it
"Nichirenists Engaged in Relentless Dialogue in Society" (N.E.R.D.S)
Ha!!
Cody
Cody
So true.
Cody
dc
So true.
Cody<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
The obsession continues I see. Eyeliner? You are nuts.
Just happened to go into that group look in the photos and see that you and
Chas had posted the photo UNO had snapped and spread around without my
permuission and thought I'd post a photo that captures the essense of how
devient I think you both are.
You little fairy boys are obsessed.
You have nothing to say worth anything and no lives, so all you can do it
obsess on me.
dc
Cody
"dc" <dc...@ojai.net> wrote in message
news:Nv9ya.1144$7S2.8...@news1.news.adelphia.net...
> "Akira" <akira...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fc4f7dcc.03051...@posting.google.com...
> >
>
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/buddhist_dialogue_group/vwp?.dir=/David+Coles&.src=gr&.dnm=David04.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/buddhist_dialogue_group/lst%3f%26.dir=/David%2bColes%26.src=gr%26.view=t
> >
> > Nice eyeliner, David.
> > Cody>>
>
>
>
>
> > >>
> >
> > Wow... I'm speechless. Freaky for sure!
> >
> > By the way, check out his honzon
> >
> >
>
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/buddhist_dialogue_group/vwp?.dir=/David+Coles&.src=gr&.dnm=David04.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/buddhist_dialogue_group/lst%3f%26.dir=/David%2bColes%26.src=gr%26.view=t
> >
> > ak
>
> So true.
>
> Cody<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> The obsession continues I see. Eyeliner? You are nuts.
Yes, eyeliner. Either that or you have two black eyes. Too much soma?
>
> Just happened to go into that group look in the photos and see that you
and
> Chas had posted the photo UNO had snapped and spread around without my
> permuission and thought I'd post a photo that captures the essense of
how
> devient I think you both are.
Your photo shows how we are deviant? How so, this should be good.
>
> You little fairy boys are obsessed.
Define "fairy boys".
>
> You have nothing to say worth anything and no lives, so all you can do it
> obsess on me.
>
> dc
You wish. You are the one obsessed with you, not us.
Cody
dc
Yes, eyeliner. Either that or you have two black eyes. Too much soma?
>
> Just happened to go into that group look in the photos and see that you
and
> Chas had posted the photo UNO had snapped and spread around without my
> permuission and thought I'd post a photo that captures the essense of
how
> devient I think you both are.
Your photo shows how we are deviant? How so, this should be good.
>
> You little fairy boys are obsessed.
Define "fairy boys".
>
> You have nothing to say worth anything and no lives, so all you can do it
> obsess on me.
>
> dc
You wish. You are the one obsessed with you, not us.
Cody<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Right and you just happened to be in a folder called "David Cole," in the
photo section on a Yahoo group.....trolling, after repeatedly reposting a
photo of me taken by another stalker, after Robin removed it at my request.
Yes Cody you are a complete blight on Buddhism and on yourself. You and
Chas keep posting the photo---two mental giants.
All one needs to do is look at your posts. EVERY post you make on any group
is an attack on an individual or just a meaningless snide remark.
dc
dc
plonk.
dc
Cody
> > The obsession continues I see. Eyeliner? You are nuts.
>
> Yes, eyeliner. Either that or you have two black eyes. Too much soma?
> >
> > Just happened to go into that group look in the photos and see that you
> and
> > Chas had posted the photo UNO had snapped and spread around without my
> > permuission and thought I'd post a photo that captures the essense of
> how
> > devient I think you both are.
>
> Your photo shows how we are deviant? How so, this should be good.
> >
> > You little fairy boys are obsessed.
>
> Define "fairy boys".
> >
> > You have nothing to say worth anything and no lives, so all you can do
it
> > obsess on me.
> >
> > dc
>
> You wish. You are the one obsessed with you, not us.
>
> Cody<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> Right and you just happened to be in a folder called "David Cole," in the
> photo section on a Yahoo group.....trolling, after repeatedly reposting
a
> photo of me taken by another stalker, after Robin removed it at my
request.
Actually, someone emailed me about the photo and I went in and looked.
>
> Yes Cody you are a complete blight on Buddhism and on yourself. You and
> Chas keep posting the photo---two mental giants.
An insult.
>
> All one needs to do is look at your posts. EVERY post you make on any
group
> is an attack on an individual or just a meaningless snide remark.
He says this, attacking and insulting me ...
>
> dc
You missed answering the two questions, David.
Here they are again:
Your photo shows how we are deviant? How so, this should be good.
and
Define "fairy boys".
Can you handle it or do you feel a sudden need to plonk me again and run
away?
Cody
Cody
> Oh and by the way ...another screen name....you little mule.
>
> plonk.
>
> dc
"All one needs to do is look at your posts. EVERY post you make on any
group
is an attack on an individual or just a meaningless snide remark.
dc" May 19th, 2003
Cody
Cody
> Oh and by the way ...another screen name....you little mule.
>
> plonk.
>
> dc
Yep, he's gonna run away again.
= : o
Cody
Andy Hanlen
Just curious, Michael. What part(s) of what Marc relates above do you
find to be in error?
Andy
jonin
> Define "fairy boys".
>
> Can you handle it or do you feel a sudden need to plonk me again and run
> away?
>
> Cody
>
dave's obsession with "fairy boys", homosexuals, or those who think
differently than him, is a sad attempt at masking his own homosexual
tendencies that scare the shit out him. i think he protests too much.
be kind to him though, his own mental pain and torment will soon come to and
end.
MarcInMD
find to be in error?<<
The parts that challange him to think for himself
dc
I am not obsessed with anything at all. And the last thing I am is a queer.
You little twerps just keep repeating the same things like little deformed
alter boys. Day after days since Kuon you homos are comparing your dicks
side by side.
dc
Cody
> Define "fairy boys".
> >
> > Can you handle it or do you feel a sudden need to plonk me again and run
> > away?
> >
> > Cody
> >
>
>
> dave's obsession with "fairy boys", homosexuals, or those who think
> differently than him, is a sad attempt at masking his own homosexual
> tendencies that scare the shit out him. i think he protests too much.
>
> be kind to him though, his own mental pain and torment will soon come to
and
> end.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Somehow I doubt it:
SokaGuy
No, Dave, we don't think you're "queer". How sad you talk about division among
Nichiren sects, yet create division with such divisive words as "Nip" and
"queer".
I actually would have been one of your supporters for unity among Nichiren
Buddhists. However, your continual putting down of gay people and Japanese
people is off putting in a big way.
Funny...I thought the Lotus Sutra taught that all people are equal and are able
to achieve enlightenment in THIS lifetime.
Dave, you may not have been told yet, but some of your posts are very offensive
to gay people. Most gay SGI members (and I am sure the same in NST), work hard
for Kosen Rufu, live normal lives, and find repulsive any suggestion that we
"compare dicks" side by side.
Come on man, get in the 21st century. There are Japanese people, gay people,
straight people, black people, etc. that are great and have incredibly high
life conditions. There are others who live in the lower worlds. Please do not
sterotype and judge all of us with one fleating post.
Thanks,
Craig F.
Mark P.
>Why don't you guys start a new dialogue group. You could call it
>"Nichirenists Engaged in Relentless Dialogue in Society" (N.E.R.D.S)
>Ha!!
>
A group with dialogue, whatever the name, would be infinately
better at shakubuku than continous slander and bickering.
The Daishonin did not slander even his enemies and yet most
Nichiren Buddhists have taken the intent of what he says and twisted
it to mean that as long as we believe we are right then we can do
anything we wish!
Mark Porter
Others read the Lotus Sutra with their mouths alone,
reading only the words, but do not read it with their
hearts. And even if they read it with their hearts,
they do not read it with their actions.
Cody
"SokaGuy" <sok...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030520075806...@mb-m14.aol.com...
Back when I used to talk to Cole on the phone, many times he made homophobic
remarks like "fucking faggots". The man is just full of prejudice and
bigotry.
Cody
SokaGuy
>remarks like "fucking faggots". The man is just full of prejudice and
>bigotry.
>
>Cody
That is sad to hear, Cody. Maybe someday he can meet someone who can change
his mind. Maybe Dave has not meet a really cool out gay person.
It seems to me, that by slandering anyone regarding their race, sexual
orientation, gender, etc. is slander of the Lotus Sutra. We are all dealing
with the karmic deck we've been dealt. Hopefully, we all are trying to improve
our life condition.
Anyway, you take care.
- Craig F.
Cody
You're more optimistic about Cole being able to change than I am. Perhaps he
hates gays so much because he is gay himself and can't face that fact.
Cody
SokaGuy
>hates gays so much because he is gay himself and can't face that fact.
>
>Cody
>
Damn, Cody..now that's offensive! LOL!! I am SURE he bats for your team :-).
Peace,
Craig
Cody
"SokaGuy" > wrote
> >You're more optimistic about Cole being able to change than I am. Perhaps
he
> >hates gays so much because he is gay himself and can't face that fact.
> >
> >Cody
> >
>
>
> Damn, Cody..now that's offensive! LOL!!
I understand. My profound apologies.
I am SURE he bats for your team :-).
>
> Peace,
> Craig
You mean to say that gangbanger, nip hater and gay basher David Sinclair
Cole bats for my team?
Nah, I'm not into gangs, bigotry and racism, some of Mr Cole's preferred
obsessions along with the fact the he is the Chosen one who bemoans being
surrounded by us lowly "nutcases", "morons" and "dorks" who don't "get it"
and can't read for his profound "content". Grandstanding personified.
Fortunately, sharihotsu wasn't the only one who could become a Buddha and
studying is only to reinforce practice and even "nutcases", "morons" and
"dorks" who don't "get it" can become Enlightened if they practice with a
seeking mind and faith.
Cody
Cody
Being as he is dyeing his hair and using eyeliner, I wouldn't be too sure
about that if I were you.
Cody
SokaGuy
>about that if I were you.
>
>Cody
>
LOL...the gay men I know would never use eye liner or dye their hair. Maybe in
the early '80's, but it seems, at least here, the gay men's community has gone
to the other extreme with the hyper-masculinity stuff. Hell, my partner can't
be drug away from a (American) football game or any other sports event. He
works out every day and has a body to die for. He also has no decorating
ability {sigh}.
Me? I hate sports. Don't wear eye liner (how in the hell do women put that
stuff on?). Never dyed my hair (what hair?). Now I do enjoy a good pair of
pumps once in a while (where the hell do you get size 13/48 pumps?).
BUT, I see what you are saying. Often that which we are is what we hate the
most. That's why there is so many frigin' right wingers that are gay.
Enough of my ramblings...time for afternoon coffee. Wish I had a good
bud...but not at home...{big sigh}.
Hope things are well in Spain. Here in NC it is FINALLY a beautiful day with
temps in the lower '70's.
-Craig F.
Toki
> On 19 May 2003 11:05:27 -0700, akira...@yahoo.com (Akira) wrote:
>
>
> >Why don't you guys start a new dialogue group. You could call it
> >"Nichirenists Engaged in Relentless Dialogue in Society" (N.E.R.D.S)
> >Ha!!
> >
>
> A group with dialogue, whatever the name, would be infinately
> better at shakubuku than continous slander and bickering.
> The Daishonin did not slander even his enemies and yet most
> Nichiren Buddhists have taken the intent of what he says and twisted
> it to mean that as long as we believe we are right then we can do
> anything we wish!
>
>
> Mark Porter
>
Thanks Mark:
Well spoken.
That's why I like to bring up the examples of other Buddhist groups
that are experiencing serious disputes in their sanghas. If one
compares their manner of engagement with that of Nichiren Buddhists,
the comparison is kind of embarassing. Like you, I'm not advocating
that everyone get all huggy and pretend that we all agree. The point
is to learn how to have these kinds of discussions without falling
into personal attacks, propaganda, threats, etc. It is possible to do
this; Buddhists have done it throughout their history. I think
Nichiren Buddhists could benefit from studying how other Buddhists
have done this. One resource would be the Theravada "Kattha Vathu",
or "Points of Controversy", which is a Theravada refutation of all
other schools of Buddhism at the time the work was written. This
would have two benefits for Nichiren Buddhists. First, it would offer
Nichiren Buddhists an example of committed Dharma debate that doesn't
fall into the negatives I mentioned. Second, it would give Nichiren
Buddhists the reasons why Theravadans, and others, consider their
teachings to be definitive. Thus when Nichiren Buddhists present
their view they could more skillfully present the teachings of the
Lotus Sutra to those not yet open to those teachings.
Toki
dc
queer.
No, Dave, we don't think you're "queer". How sad you talk about division
among
Nichiren sects, yet create division with such divisive words as "Nip" and
"queer".<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Well I guess saying, "its a bad choice of words".....won't help?
>>>>>>>>I actually would have been one of your supporters for unity among
Nichiren
Buddhists. However, your continual putting down of gay people and Japanese
people is off putting in a big way.<<<<<<<
And I know that.
Many of my posts on arbn are surrealism. Sarcasm. Sick humor. Dark
Humor. Bad humor. They are there for shock value. I have said this many
times in serious posts. I have also tried to communicate that my use of
these words, is not referring to normal gay people, nor normal, modern
Japanese people. many of the people I am calling 'fairies" are
heterosexuals and I am very attracted to Japanese art, movies, animation,
history all the normal Japanese things. Kurosawa and many other Japanese
ridiculed the Japanese gang-think and so do I. And many times gay people
will use these words themselves as sarcasm.
I am not a red-neck doing Gay-bashing, I am a Buddhist trying to tell people
to stop the bitchy bickering, stop it
What is it, when the Army Sargeant calls all the new recruits Fairies? or
when gang bangers are calling each other "Homos?"
What word is there to describe the kind of bickering Behavior on ARBN? No
type of put-down street-vernacular will do justice to it. It is ALL
offensive.
If I call them Nebbishes, then it could be construed as a putdown of Jews
since that is a Jewish expression. If I call Cody a Mule then it is a
putdown of Mules.
>>>>>>Funny...I thought the Lotus Sutra taught that all people are equal and
are able
to achieve enlightenment in THIS lifetime.>>>>>>>>>>>>
And I know this and you know that I agree with this, but even the Lotus
Sutra has it's remarks about "Fairy Boys," and I do not think it is
referring to normal gay people. It is talking about perverts, pedophiles
and gay sex in the monesteries where pervert Masters misuse the acolytes and
alter boys.
>>>>>>Dave, you may not have been told yet, but some of your posts are very
offensive
to gay people. Most gay SGI members (and I am sure the same in NST), work
hard
for Kosen Rufu, live normal lives, and find repulsive any suggestion that we
"compare dicks" side by side.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
And I am sorry if you take this personally. I am not referring to you or
ANY normal gay person. But frankly comparing dicks side by side is EXACTLY
what these endless, bickering posts about nonsense are. Perhaps this is
more of a Macho Male thing then a "gay" thing. I do grapple with finding
the words to describe it that will have a shock effect.
>>>>>>>>>>Come on man, get in the 21st century. There are Japanese people,
gay people,
straight people, black people, etc. that are great and have incredibly high
life conditions. There are others who live in the lower worlds. Please do
not
sterotype and judge all of us with one fleating post.
Thanks,
Craig F.<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I will try to find better words, but please don't take it personal --on some
level you must realize where I am really coming from. Perhaps using these
words in the surrealistic way is a good way to desensitize from them.
Neither reason or insults work on arbn. But in truth one cannot find words,
bad enough to describe what the feudal maniacs in Japan have done to
Buddhism, nor can words describe the pathetic arguing over gang turf and
cement dogma on arbn.
Ok, then tell these Macho Mules and Emperor worshippers to stop it.
You tell me what words to use.
dc
Mark P.
>That's why I like to bring up the examples of other Buddhist groups
>that are experiencing serious disputes in their sanghas. If one
>compares their manner of engagement with that of Nichiren Buddhists,
>the comparison is kind of embarassing. Like you, I'm not advocating
>that everyone get all huggy and pretend that we all agree. The point
>is to learn how to have these kinds of discussions without falling
>into personal attacks, propaganda, threats, etc. It is possible to do
>this; Buddhists have done it throughout their history. I think
>Nichiren Buddhists could benefit from studying how other Buddhists
>have done this. One resource would be the Theravada "Kattha Vathu",
>or "Points of Controversy", which is a Theravada refutation of all
>other schools of Buddhism at the time the work was written. This
>would have two benefits for Nichiren Buddhists. First, it would offer
>Nichiren Buddhists an example of committed Dharma debate that doesn't
>fall into the negatives I mentioned. Second, it would give Nichiren
>Buddhists the reasons why Theravadans, and others, consider their
>teachings to be definitive. Thus when Nichiren Buddhists present
>their view they could more skillfully present the teachings of the
>Lotus Sutra to those not yet open to those teachings.
>
If you look at the priesthood of all the sects you'll find it
is much different. At least in Nichiren Shoshu when the priests
discuss other sects they do not stoop to personal slander to get their
point across, even when talking about SGI they only relay the facts as
they see them and relate it to the teachings.
It's the laity that have this problem because I don't believe
anyone has ever been taught what and what not to do in a debate. Then
they take the writings of the Daishonin and think they now have the
authority to slander the heritics, so to speak.
Really, if they look at the Gosho they can see how Nichiren
Daishonin formulated his texts in debate fashion. This is the way he
was forced to write his thesis because no one would debate him.
Debating with the other sects was one of the things the Daishonin
wanted more than anything to do, but the people in power at the time
did not want to take the chance that they would be defeated, so never
allowed it to happen.
dc
A few days ago I was asked to look at a Yahoo group photo section to see if
I recognized someone. I had read or posted to this group in arouns 8 months
so I resubscribed and went there to look at this picture someone wanted me
to see.....then in the photo section I see two photos of myself. One taken a
few years ago by someone who took it without my permissiona and distributed
without my permission. Then I glanced at the messages and see Cody and of
course he is talking about me, Of the two photos, one of them was posted
by Codyspain and the other by "charlespostne" a spoof on
Charlespostone-----without the "o" ..................I took a webcam photo
of myself ........posted it in my photo section on this Buddhsit dialogue
group where I also had put some animation frames I had done..........I wrote
a email to the group moderator who removed the photo.
I then looked on arbn where Cody is saying I used "eyeliner" on the photo I
posted comparing me to Michael Jackson. Now the phot I took witht he webcam
was not a very good one either and the shadows around my eyes were dark, but
it never occured to me that anyone would think I was using "eyeliner." Cody
has been posting this terrible Photo UNA gave her for 2 years. he probably
keeps in on his desk top to pray voodoo incantations about it. It that
photo my hair was bleached out. So when Cody sees my new photo with my
normal browner hair when I color my grey, then this is reason for Cody to
attack, It was Bratcher who had creeping in my Photo folder in a Yahoo
group I was even posting in. He tells Cody and then the two fo them attack
me on ARBN.
At that point I go look in Will Kallender's SokaGakkai Yahoo group and in
another board called sokagakkai and lo and behold there are the pictures
again. These are grouops I haven;t posted to in 8-10 months. So I write
email to the moderators and the photos are removed.....an hour later all
the photos are back. Robini and Will had to remove the photos three or four
time each...where three photos were hidden in other folders.
So I went back and lightened up that photo in the folder so there was no
shadows around my eyes and then posted about what had happened on the
Buddhsit Dialogue group. I also reiterated just why Cody has this hate and
obsession. Of course Cody began to post one post after another in a
predictable manner. Deny deny deny. So I finally just left the group because
no reason works with Cody.
Cody is obsessed with me. He makes new screen name every few days on arbn
so I blocked them and I have more then fifty of his and Bratchers screen
names blocked. All of this began when I had the AUDACITY to suggest "Itai
Doshin and reunification"
Whatever verbal insults I use they are actually directed 90% to Cody and
Bratcher. They set the tone of ARBN for many years before I was a
participant. They tell Mercia she is "fucking her dogs," or that "Bridgett
is a Whore " etc and spread gossip that Mercia is writing love letters to
the priests.....etc...not just on ARBN but on all the Yahoo groups as well.
So don't be surprised if I use inflammatory words and surrealism to describe
this two lame brains (whoops a insult to retards) and the other pathetic
nerds (whoops an insult to people with glasses) or or bickering little wimps
(whoops an insult to 98 pound weaklings) or the jackasses (whoops an insult
to Equine family members) or Little fairy boys (whoops an insult to gays) or
Emperor ass kissing nipponese (whoops racism)
Yeah I am just a Gang Bashing, fairy boy squashing, anti-emperor, Michael
Jackson
dc
Akira
>Cody is saying I used "eyeliner" on the photo I
>posted comparing me to Michael Jackson. Now the phot I took witht he webcam
>was not a very good one either and the shadows around my eyes were dark, but
>it never occured to me that anyone would think I was using "eyeliner." Cody
>has been posting this terrible Photo UNA gave her for 2 years. he probably
>keeps in on his desk top to pray voodoo incantations about it.
But you look so cute!
ak
Toki
> anyone has ever been taught what and what not to do in a debate. Then
> they take the writings of the Daishonin and think they now have the
> authority to slander the heritics, so to speak.
Mark:
Thanks for making this point; I think it is an important one to keep
in mind. It helps me to remember this, keeps me from getting overly
frustrated and judgmental. There really is no place in our society
where people can go to learn how to have a genuine discussion of this
kind. Philosophy used to teach it; it was called "dialectic". But
philosophers have completely lost touch with it. Politics doesn't
teach us how to do this. Advertising doesn't teach us how to do this.
In Buddhist cultures Dharma discussion was an intimate part of Dharma
history. Often these debates were held in public, on a regular basis,
and they would attract large audiences. In Tibet, among the Gelugs,
monastics still undertake training in such discussions. I have read
that Tendai Buddhism used to also hold such debates on a regular
basis, but I don't know if they still do.
Wouldn't it be neat to revive such an approach? I mean, think if
there was an actual yearly event where different Nichiren traditions
got to present their views in public discussion. And also, of course,
Nichiren discussion with non-Nichiren forms.
I don't think such a vision is impossible, though it would take a lot
of work to pull it off. As you mentioned, this is what Nichiren
wanted, and I feel fairly sure that he based this on his knowledge of
Buddhist history. But Nichiren never had to contend with Tibeatn
Buddhism, or Theravada Buddhism, or with Monotheism. It's up to us,
now, to clarify Nichiren's understanding in these new circumstances.
Formal Dharma discussion would be one fruitful way of accomplishing
this task.
Toki
xt
dc
I am glad to see at least an acknowledgment that your words might be
offensive to some people, whatever the style you are trying to
cultivate. When gay or Japanese people say that words are offensive it
is probably the case, they are not making it up. As a writer striving
for a unique style for sarcasm you may find it difficult but your
audience are giving you clues as to what doesn't work. Of course, if
it is just cheap shock value you are after--go ahead. But I would urge
you to continue to find the appropriate words for the iconoclasm you
wish to create, because otherwise you will not have that effect at
all. Perhaps some neologisms would help... or imagination...
xt
Mark P.
>There really is no place in our society
>where people can go to learn how to have a genuine discussion of this
>kind. Philosophy used to teach it; it was called "dialectic". But
>philosophers have completely lost touch with it. Politics doesn't
>teach us how to do this. Advertising doesn't teach us how to do this.
Its really a matter of our society being based on
christianity. No one even wants to talk about religion because
christianity has no basis to it. It is all a fairy tale that must be
"Believed". In Buddhist societies, other than militant Japan, I
believe you will find that people have the ability to discuss religion
without getting angry, for the most part anyway.
>
>In Buddhist cultures Dharma discussion was an intimate part of Dharma
>history. Often these debates were held in public, on a regular basis,
>and they would attract large audiences. In Tibet, among the Gelugs,
>monastics still undertake training in such discussions. I have read
>that Tendai Buddhism used to also hold such debates on a regular
>basis, but I don't know if they still do.
>
>Wouldn't it be neat to revive such an approach? I mean, think if
>there was an actual yearly event where different Nichiren traditions
>got to present their views in public discussion. And also, of course,
>Nichiren discussion with non-Nichiren forms.
It would be nice, but because this religion is so powerful,
the enemies of the Buddha always make their appearance. Just look at
all the other sects attitude toward Nichiren Shoshu. They will all
admit that SGI is an abomination, however, they do not attack SGI, but
choose to attack Nichiren Shoshu. They are all obsessed with Nichiren
Shoshu, and all try to disprove our doctrine through some pretty
convoluted logic.
The other sects will not even try to refute other types of
Buddhism because their focus is solely with Nichiren Shoshu. Nichiren
Shoshu, on the other hand, doesn't pay much attention to the other
sects because it is pretty useless to debate with them.
We have been here on ARBN for a long time now and it just goes
round and round. Nichiren Shoshu cannot prove conclusively the
Heritage of the Law, even though their is a basis for it in the Lotus
Sutra and the Gosho, and we cannot prove the authenticity of the Dai
Gohonzon, although the Daishonin did in fact make other large Dai
Honzon's for Temples. There is a basis for it, but since their is no
conclusive evidence they slander it.
Now couple all of this with the fact that no one can even
prove the Lotus Sutra was taught by the Buddha and you've got one hell
of a job trying to convince people that will not let themselves be
convinced anyway, because of the power of the Daimoku, and their
karma. If you ever choose to practice this religion you will see the
power of it. No one can tell you, because only you will know it when
you see it.
>
>I don't think such a vision is impossible, though it would take a lot
>of work to pull it off. As you mentioned, this is what Nichiren
>wanted, and I feel fairly sure that he based this on his knowledge of
>Buddhist history. But Nichiren never had to contend with Tibeatn
>Buddhism, or Theravada Buddhism, or with Monotheism. It's up to us,
>now, to clarify Nichiren's understanding in these new circumstances.
>Formal Dharma discussion would be one fruitful way of accomplishing
>this task.
>
I would love for it to happen. I'm not trying to discount that
it can happen in the future, but it would be pretty hard to do it
right now while everyone is having a slander fest pointed toward
Nichiren Shoshu.
Toki
>
> Its really a matter of our society being based on
> christianity. No one even wants to talk about religion because
> christianity has no basis to it. It is all a fairy tale that must be
> "Believed". In Buddhist societies, other than militant Japan, I
> believe you will find that people have the ability to discuss religion
> without getting angry, for the most part anyway.
>
I think it's part of the western heritage of religious violence. I
think that heritage has resulted in a fear that discussions of this
kind can often erupt into violence. Hence, there is a kind of
cultural agreement not to discuss religion. That's too bad because
everyone loses.
> >
> >Wouldn't it be neat to revive such an approach? I mean, think if
> >there was an actual yearly event where different Nichiren traditions
> >got to present their views in public discussion. And also, of course,
> >Nichiren discussion with non-Nichiren forms.
>
> It would be nice, but because this religion is so powerful,
> the enemies of the Buddha always make their appearance. Just look at
> all the other sects attitude toward Nichiren Shoshu. They will all
> admit that SGI is an abomination, however, they do not attack SGI, but
> choose to attack Nichiren Shoshu. They are all obsessed with Nichiren
> Shoshu, and all try to disprove our doctrine through some pretty
> convoluted logic.
I haven't noticed the obsession to which you refer. I'm not a member
of NSS or of SGI (and never have been). So if we ever have a
discussion over morning coffee I think it could get very interesting.
I don't accept the basics of NSS doctrine, but I accept that others
see this differently and sincerely hold their views. That's all I
would ask in return.
In terms of the atmosphere of "slander" you refer to, I think there is
a way out. In setting up a meeting for discussion, say a public
discussion like the one I envisioned, one could set the parameters in
advance. If certain subjects are at this time beyond the
participants' ability to reach an agreement, it is perhaps better to
set them aside, at least for the time being, and move on to a
discussion that might prove more fruitful. That's part of what I
meant by saying that practice trumps theory.
Toki
Mark P.
>I think it's part of the western heritage of religious violence. I
>think that heritage has resulted in a fear that discussions of this
>kind can often erupt into violence. Hence, there is a kind of
>cultural agreement not to discuss religion. That's too bad because
>everyone loses.
Yes, and that has also been what has fueled eccumenicism.
Being that religion has killed more people than anything else except
maybe mother nature. <g>
>I haven't noticed the obsession to which you refer. I'm not a member
>of NSS or of SGI (and never have been). So if we ever have a
>discussion over morning coffee I think it could get very interesting.
>I don't accept the basics of NSS doctrine, but I accept that others
>see this differently and sincerely hold their views. That's all I
>would ask in return.
Stick around on this board and you will notice it. It has
cooled somewhat, but it is still there. You see, NSS has the Heritage
of the Law and the Dai Gohonzon. If our doctrine is correct then all
the other sects would have to disband. Of course they aren't going to
allow that to happen so they obsess over proving their right to exist.
I see the other sects as levels so I have nothing against
them. I don't think all of them will ever go away, but most will.
There are over 10,000 sects now that think they are the ones who've
gotten it right.
>
>In terms of the atmosphere of "slander" you refer to, I think there is
>a way out. In setting up a meeting for discussion, say a public
>discussion like the one I envisioned, one could set the parameters in
>advance. If certain subjects are at this time beyond the
>participants' ability to reach an agreement, it is perhaps better to
>set them aside, at least for the time being, and move on to a
>discussion that might prove more fruitful. That's part of what I
>meant by saying that practice trumps theory.
>
Well, there are a couple of factors that would probably make
this scenario unlikely at this point in time. First of all, it would
have to happen in Japan with True representatives of the religions
participating. Second, with the split of SGI and their campaign of
hate I don't see our High Priest allowing a public debate with them
present. You have to understand what SGI has done over the past ten
years to understand why.
If we did it here in the states it would be completely
unofficial and I don't see that any of our priests would attend, plus
it would most likely attract a few crazies. This religion has so much
power that people that slander start to get mentally incompetent over
time and destroy their own happiness from within. This is an actual
proof of the power of the Daimoku.
When I was in the military every person that tried to mess
around with me had bad things happen to them as well. Of course, this
can't be proven, but its been pretty clear to me. There are a lot of
different proofs associated with True Buddhism, and thats why I know
my practice is correct. The other sects ignore these proofs, either
because they don't see them, or their practice is incorrect and they
don't have them.
Toki
>
> Yes, and that has also been what has fueled eccumenicism.
> Being that religion has killed more people than anything else except
> maybe mother nature. <g>
Hi Mark:
Actually, religion has been pretty benign compared to science and
atheism. I mean, if one is so inclined, one can blame science for the
creation of weapons of mass destruction, and we haven't seen the end
of them yet. Regimes that have been extremely hostile to religion
include Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, and Hoxha in Albania. Not
a good record for the militant atheists, I'm afraid. And then there's
always good old nationalism and tribalism, as in Rwanda. Compared to
these, religion's a minor player.
>
> Stick around on this board and you will notice it. It has
> cooled somewhat, but it is still there. You see, NSS has the Heritage
> of the Law and the Dai Gohonzon. If our doctrine is correct then all
> the other sects would have to disband. Of course they aren't going to
> allow that to happen so they obsess over proving their right to exist.
You Taisekiji guys! What a sense of humor.
Toki