The "Daigohonzon" Photo & Fake DG Facts
guna
from Don Ross's site. Supposedly this photo was taken with the agreement of the
High Priest circa 1910.
I have seen this photo and I have also seen the Daigohonzon about 35 times.
Whilst it is possible that the photo may be based on a real image of the
Daigohonzon, the details and lettering have DEFINATELY been added at a later
date.
I saw the original photograph on which Don's was based, in a book about the life
story of the Daishonin. The original was in fact a photo of the inside of the
Treasure House (Gohozo) at Taisekiji during an audience with the Daigohonzon
(Gokaihi) ceremony. It was taken from the back of the room and showed all of the
laity with the altar in the distance. Curtains with crane motifs were draped
either side of the altar of the Daigohonzon. To give some idea of perspective,
the Bustudan represented about 5% of the total subject matter of the photograph.
You could make out the Daigohonzon in the distance, although this area had been
deliberately overexposed on the photo meaning that you could barely see any kind
of inscription at all. What little you could see looked like gold on a gold
background - this, compounded with the size of the image made the actual face of
the Daigohonzon almost totally illegible.
It would appear that the image on Don's site is based on this photo, although
most of the photos subject has been cropped out, the Daigohonzon has been zoomed
into and has been DRAMATICALLY retouched. I would go as far as to say that the
lettering & details has been replaced on Don's image (possibly hand drawn or
roughly transposed from another mandala and manipulated)
Although many details are similar (esp. the signature) the real Daigohonzon's
script is much more smooth and flowing with a different layout.
Underneath the real Daigohonzon there are quite a few rows of Chinese characters
- the "wakigaki" or dedication of the Gohonzon to "Yashiro Kuneshige and the
people of the Hokkeko". These lines of text are clearly visible to anyone who
sees the Daigohonzon (now it has moved back to the Hoanden). They are all
MISSING from Don's picture - the area where they would be (if this was a genuine
photo) is just black space !!!
It makes me wonder who painted the details on Don's photo (I presume it wasn't
Don). Does anyone know ?
Some people have also spoken about another Gohonzon image on Don's site. The
founder of a new sect faked a wooden Gohonzon based on a Nichiren Daishonin
original (the Mannen Kugo Gohonzon) and he claims this forgery was held by Nikko
Shonin to be the Daigohonzon. We can IMMEDIATELY see these claims are erroneous
by the fact that the layout of this Gohonzon is totally different to those
transcribed by Nikko Shonin. On this mandala :
1) The signature is over to the left, instead of in the centre
2) Zentoku Buddha and all the Buddha's of the ten directions are represented
3) The ten worlds are not mutually inclusive
If Nikko Shonin was basing his transcriptions on the Daigohonzon he would have
included these aspects - instead all Nikko Shonin's Gohonzons are copies of the
real Daigohonzon.
The founder of this sect (who incidentally claims to be a decendent of Nichimoku
Shonin) says that he found this Gohonzon while going through some old
belongings.
I hope this clears up a few matters of concern
Mr T
ipcress7@hotmail..com (guna) wrote:
> Quite a few people on IRG have been clammouring for a photo of the
> Daigohonzon
> from Don Ross's site. Supposedly this photo was taken with the agreement
> of the
> High Priest circa 1910.
>
> I have seen this photo and I have also seen the Daigohonzon about 35
> times.
> Whilst it is possible that the photo may be based on a real image of the
> Daigohonzon, the details and lettering have DEFINATELY been added at a
> later
> date.
Paul is right on the money with this. I have worshipped the DaiGohonzon
up close many times in past and recent years (In the Sho Hondo and now
in the Hoandan) I know exactly what it looks like.
--
Kurt
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jussi
the Dai-Gohonzon as I clearly had seen the rows of characters beneath the
Kao....and when I saw Reggie vehemently stating that there were no such
characters on it! So I am not quite mad yet....
The photo someone referred to in another post is from a book he found in a
bookshop is not of a Nichiren Shoshu Gohonzon at all although it is of a
large'ish wooden Gohonzon...but it must be from another sect as it has
flowers placed in front of it as offerings plus there is a drawing of a
lotusflower beneath the Kao on the Gohonzon...similar to the one picture of
a Gohonzon in the book 'Sacred Galligraphy' published by Shambhala which
although slanderously printing a picture of a Gohonzon is quite an
interesting book on how seed syllables etc are /have been used in religious
paintings etc.
Jussi.
"guna" <ipcress7@hotmail..com> wrote in message
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guna
>Thanks Paul; I was beginning to think I must have hallucinated in front of
>the Dai-Gohonzon as I clearly had seen the rows of characters beneath the
>Kao....and when I saw Reggie vehemently stating that there were no such
>characters on it!
that's just Reggie - ignore him - everyone else does ! (ignore also the rebuke
he will shortly send to this ng calling me a FOOL etc. zzz zzz zzz)
Smith
year.
BTW on no characters at the photo at Don Ross's site, actually, if you look
very closely you can see that the bottom is not all one shade of black,
indicating that there are characters which did not show up. The explanation
on the original site in Japanese I saw at one time stated that these
characters were not gold embossed like the other ones, and simply didn't
show up in the photograph. If I remember correctly (and this is a big
assumption), these were the characters giving the dedication to Kunashiri
Yashiro.
Regards,
RT
guna <ipcress7@hotmail..com> wrote in message
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guna
>Thanks for this. Interesting information. Will check it out sometime this
>year.
>
>BTW on no characters at the photo at Don Ross's site, actually, if you look
>very closely you can see that the bottom is not all one shade of black,
>indicating that there are characters which did not show up. The explanation
>on the original site in Japanese I saw at one time stated that these
>characters were not gold embossed like the other ones, and simply didn't
>show up in the photograph.
Actually these characters are gold embossed on the Daigohonzon. Now it's
enshrined in the Hoanden again you are so much closer to it (if you sit in the
front row, you are only about 30ft away !). You can claerly see all the
characters.
To restate - the reason you can't see these characters on Don's photo is
because the all the lettering on the original photo was obscured by
over-exposure (to the point of virtual invisibility). All the lettering on Don's
image has been added by hand or mouse.
p
Reginald Carpenter
changed the subject/title to: Re: The "Dai-Gohonzon" Photo!**
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The "Dai-Gohonzon" Photo & Fake DG Facts
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
Date: Sat, Jan 6, 2001, 2:16pm (CST+6)
From: ipcress7@hotmail..com (guna)
>>> Quite a few people on IRG have been clammouring [sic] for a photo of
the Dai-Gohonzon from Don Ross's site. <--- #1.
#1. RC comments: First of all, what "quite a few people on [the] IRG
have been clamoring for" just "AIN'T None of Yo' Bizness!" - TLC - in
the first (1st) d-a-m-ned place, FOOL! ROTFL.
Secondly, your very arrogant & ignorant DUMB-ASS has just tacitly
ADMITTED the FACT that "a photo of the Dai-Gohonzon from Don Ross's
site" IS really a photo taken of the real Dai-Gohonzon at the Head
Temple, Taiseki-ji, Japan, just like I previously wrote myself on
another thread, you "clamoring" IDIOT! ROTFL.
Therefore, I was RIGHT, as usual, and have corrected all of the times
that you have so DIS-respectfully & STUPIDly written the sacred name of
the "Dai-Gohonzon" in your mess-age, Paul the "Guna" Tuna Muntz!
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>>> Supposedly this photo was taken with the agreement of the High
Priest circa 1910. <--- #2.
#2. RC comments: See above #1.
And, "supposedly" your LYING-ASS, very low life conditioned, NO class,
DUMB-ASS wrote & I quote (not verbatim) on another thread that, "I am
aware of a photo that was taken of "Gokaihi at the Gohozo" with the
permission of Nichiren Shoshu circa 1910" which you described below on
this mess-age & thread, you lying, two-faced FOOL!
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>>> I have seen this photo and I have also seen the Dai-Gohonzon about
35 times. <--- #3.
#3. RC comments: See above #s 1 & 3.
Well, you did NOT specify how many times that you "have seen this
photo," but your very arrogant & ignorant, low life conditioned,
trifling-ass, NO class, DUMB-ASS claims that you "have also seen the
Dai-Gohonzon about 35 times" which really means No-thing [Zen] in this
case, UNless you actually saw the Dai-Gohonzon in "circa 1910" yourself,
which you have NOT, FOOL! ROTFL.
FYI - I can humbly say that I have been fortunate enough be able to go
to see & worship the Dai-Gohonzon ever since my 13th month of practicing
the Nichiren Shoshu religion in October 1972, so I stopped CHILDISHly &
IMMATURISHly counting Up the number of Gokaihi ceremonies that I've
attended years ago, and I do NOT compare that with LYING-ASS, low life
conditioned DUMB-ASSes with NO class like you, little Paulie Muntzie!
AFAIK - And, I am the one & only person who posts on this sorry-ass
excuse for a newsgroup who was there for the actual transfer &
re-enshrinement of the Dai-Gohonzon into the Sho-Hondo on Oct. 7th,
1972! So, I seriously doubt if there is any AAIB - Armchair Arbn
Internet Buddhist - body like you who has seen & worshipped it as often
(many time) and as Up closely as myself, but who's counting?! - NOT me,
you d-a-m-ned FOOL - "Guna" Tuna! LOL.
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>>> Whilst it is possible that the photo may be based on a real image of
the Dai-Gohonzon, the details and lettering have DEFINATELY [sic] been
added at a later date. <--- #4.
#4. RC comments: See above #s 1-3.
"Whoops, there it is; whoops, there it is!" (sports chant) LOL.
Actually, "the photo" IS "based on a real image of the Dai-Gohonzon"
that has been enlarged or BLOWN UP & enhanced or RE-TOUCHED, so "the
details and lettering [ of It were] DEFIN-I-TELY ... added at a later
date," you IDIOT!
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>>> I saw the original photograph on which Don's was based, in a book
about the life story of the Daishonin. <--- 5.
#5. RC comments: See above #s 1 - 4.
Your little LYING-ASS, low life conditioned, NO class, DUMB-ASS really
does NOT know if the alleged "original photograph, on which Don's was
based," as YOU claimed, NOT "Don" (who dat?), is the very same one that
you claim to have seen "in a book about the life story of the
Daishonin," you d-a-m-ned BIG LIAR, Paulie the "Guna" Tuna Muntzie!
ROTFL.
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>>> The original was in fact a photo of the inside of the Treasure House
(Gohozo) at Taisekiji during an audience with the Dai-Gohonzon (Gokaihi)
ceremony. <--- #6.
#6. RC comments: See above #s 1-5.
"Whoops, there it is; whoops, there it is" again! LOL.
"THE ORIGINAL WAS IN FACT A PHOTO [taken of the Dai-Gohonzon] OF THE
INSIDE OF THE TREASURE HOUSE (GOHOZO) AT TAISEKI-JI DURING AN AUDIENCE
WITH THE DAI-GOHONZON (GOKAIHI CEREMONY)"! - little Paulie Muntzie.
BUT, your arrogant & ignorant, very low life conditioned DUMB-ASS does
NOT have a cent of common sense or a lick of logic to realize that "the
original was in fact a photo" taken of the Dai-Gohonzon that has just
been enlarged or BLOWN UP & enhanced or re-TOUCHed Up on "Don's site,"
FOOL! DUH, little Paulie Muntzie?! ROTFL.
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It was taken from the back of the room and showed all of the laity with
the altar in the distance. Curtains with crane motifs were draped either
side of the altar of the Dai-Gohonzon. To give some idea of perspective,
the Bustudan [sic] represented about 5% of the total subject matter of
the photograph.
>>> You could make out the Dai-Gohonzon in the distance, <--- #7.
#7. RC comments: See above #s 1 - 6.
"Whoops, there it is; whoops, there it is," again! LOL.
"YOU COULD MAKE OUT THE DAI-GOHONZON IN THE DISTANCE"! - little Paulie
Muntzie.
BUT, you still do NOT have a cent of common sense or a lick of logic to
realize that that is still a photo taken of "the Dai-Gohonzon in the
distance," you IDIOT! ROTFL.
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>>> although this area had been deliberately overexposed on the photo
meaning that you could barely see any kind of inscription at all. <---
#8.
#8. RC comments: Well, your DUMB-ASS has def-i-nitely been
under-exposed to photography and DEF-I-NITELY does NOT really know what
in the H-e-l-l you're talking about, FOOL! ROTFL.
FYI - in Photography 101, film development, just part of a negative can
NOT be or is NOT "over-exposed" [incorrect] or "under-developed" in
order to make a photo(graph), or print, or "proof" of the negative
(film) but it can be or is "blotted" out, so that you can "barely see"
it "at all," you IDIOT!
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What little you could see looked like gold on a gold background - this,
compounded with the size of the image made the actual face of the
Dai-Gohonzon almost totally illegible.
>>> It would appear that the image on Don's site is based on this photo,
although most of the photos subject has been cropped out, the
Dai-Gohonzon has been zoomed into and has been DRAMATICALLY retouched.
<--- #9.
#9. RC comments: See above #s 1-8.
"Whoops, there it is; whoops, there it is" again! LOL.
"IT WOULD APPEAR THAT THE IMAGE ON DON'S SITE IS BASED ON THIS PHOTO,
ALTHOUGH ................., THE DAI-GOHONZON HAS BEEN ZOOMED INTO AND
HAS BEEN DRAMATICALLY RETOUCHED"! - little Paulie Muntzie.
BUT, your arrogant & ignorant, very low life conditioned DUMB-ASS still
does NOT have even a cent of common sense or a lick of logic to realize
that that is still a real photo of the Dai-Gohonzon enshrined at the
Head Temple, Taiseki-ji, Japan, whose "image" has just been "zoomed
into," or enlarged or BLOWN UP and enhanced or RE-TOUCHED on "Don's
site," you FOOL, "Guna" Tuna! ROTFL.
Well, scientists want to "zoom into" your lamed-brain in order to find &
see it, to "dramatically re-touch" it too, little Paulie Muntzie!
ROTFL.
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>>> I would go as far as to say that the lettering & details has been
replaced on Don's image (possibly hand drawn or roughly transposed from
another mandala and manipulated) <--- #10.
#10. RC comments: See above #s 1 - 9.
Since your little LYING-ASS, low life conditioned DUMB-ASS was NOT there
when that photo/print/proof was developed from the negative (film) in
the first place, then "I would go as far as to say that" you really do
NOT know what in the H-e-l-l you're talking about, little Paulie Muntzie
the "Guna" Tuna! ROTFL.
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>>> Although many details are similar (esp. the signature) the real
Dai-Gohonzon's script is much more smooth and flowing with a different
layout. <--- #11.
#11. RC comments: See above #s 1 - 10.
What you lying, very low life conditioned SOS - Sack Of Sh*t really
meant to say is that:
"Many details [of the photo] are the SAME (esp. the SIGNATURE) [as] the
real Dai-Gohonzon's (smooth and flowing) script with the SAME layout"!
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>>> Underneath the real Dai-Gohonzon there are quite a few rows of
Chinese characters
- the "wakigaki" or dedication of the Gohonzon [error] to "Yashiro
Kuneshige and the people of the Hokkeko." <--- #12.
#12. RC comments: See above #s 1-11.
Whoops, there it is; whoops, there it is" again! LOL.
There's PROOF again why you really do NOT know what in the H-e-l-l
you're talking about this, FOOL! LOL.
a) First of all, there is really No-thing [Zen] "UNDERNEATH the real
Dai-Gohonzon," except the base of the B-u-t-s-u-dan, FOOL!
b) the phrase on the DAI-Gohonzon written to "Yashiro Kuneshige and the
people of the Hokkeko is written along or down one side, NOT "underneath
the real Dai-Gohonzon" or at the bottom of it, FOOL!
c) the words, "bequeathed to Yashiro Kuneshige and the people of the
Hokkeko" are called the "words of conferral," which are NOT the same
words as the "words of dedication," FOOL!
So your arrogant & ignorant LYING-ASS, low life conditioned DUMB-ASS
does NOT really know how to read & write Japanese or what the Japanese
word/term "wakigaki" really is or where it is on the Dai-Gohonzon!
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>>> These lines of text are clearly visible to anyone who sees the
Dai-Gohonzon (now it has moved back to the Hoanden). They are all
MISSING from Don's picture - the area where they would be (if this was a
genuine photo) is just black space !!! <--- #13.
#13. RC comments: See above #s 1 - 12.
Well, "they are all MISSING," just like your lamed-brain, because they
were so small in the original photo to begin with, that they dispersed
into the black or blank space on that photo, when it was enlarged or
BLOWN UP and enhanced or RE-TOUCHED, from using that high level of
magnification, you NITWIT! Duh, Paulie Muntzie the "Guna" Tuna?!
ROTFL.
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>>> It makes me wonder who painted the details on Don's photo (I presume
it wasn't Don). Does anyone know ? <--- #14.
#14. RC comments: Well, after reading & replying to your very long,
DUMB-ASS mess-age, "it makes me wonder who" gave you the sh*t you try to
use for brains, you SFB - Sh*t For Brains - little Paulie Muntzie!
ROTFL.
"Does anyone know" why you only have sh*t for brains? Answer - "NO"!
ROTFL. War. } : < { 0
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[snipped the rest of that mess-age!]
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<<< Stone Eagle >>>
Airborne in Cyberspace*
Reginald Carpenter
3:48pm CST+6; x-ref. to Jussi posting on 01/04/01 - 12:07am CST+6.
I changed the subject/title to: Re: The "Dai-Gohonzon" Photo!"
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Re: The "Daigohonzon" Photo & Fake DG Facts
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
Date: Sat, Jan 6, 2001, 3:48pm (CST+6)
From: ipcress7@hotmail..com (guna)
On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 19:37:56 GMT, "jussi" <ju...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Thanks Paul; <--- #1.
#1. RC comments: "Thanks" for what?! You are just thanking "Paul"
(who dat?) for doing No-thing [Zen] but DOUBLE-TALKING & LYING to you,
Jussi! LOL.
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>>> I was beginning to think I must have hallucinated in front of the
Dai-Gohonzon as I clearly had seen the rows of characters beneath the
Kao....and when I saw Reggie vehemently stating that there were no such
characters on it! <--- #2.
#2. RC comments: See Jussi posting below.
"Reggie" (who dat?) did NOT state that "there were no such characters on
it"!
Re. Jussi posting on 01/04/01, he wrote & I quote, that "there are some
characters missing underneath [the name] 'Nichiren' that you can very
clearly see on the Dai-Gohonzon, and in this photo, there is just a
blank space there".
Well, "if there is just a blank space there," then NO one can see ANY
characters at all there; so it is/was just ILLogical to say that "there
are some characters missing" that you couldn't see there in the first
(1st) place, FOOL! ROTFL.
Therefore, I had to disagree with your EXACT words, because, "that's
ILLogical"! - Mr. Spock/Leonard Nimoy. LOL.
OTOH - all joking aside, IF you go to worship the Dai-Gohonzon, or any
temple's Joju Gohonzon, and focus your eyesight properly upon the
characters of the Daimoku that you are supposed see, to concentrate your
mind upon the Law, then you will NOT really see or notice any of the
other characters on the true object of worship, especially the ones
furthermost from its' center!
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>>> that's just Reggie - ignore him - everyone else does ! (ignore also
the rebuke he will shortly send to this ng calling me a FOOL etc. zzz
zzz zzz) <--- #3.
#3. RC comments: "Reggie" (who dat?) already answered your FOOLish-ass
mess-age on this thread and rebuked you for your arrogance & ignorance
about this subject/thread which you're WRONG about, as usual, FOOL!
ROTFL.
"D-a-m-n Sam"! I just got through rebuking & refuting your little
lying, low life conditioned sorry-ass on another thread for saying
(writing) that the Gohonzon is a "metaphor" in the Gosho, dumb, little
lying-ass - Paulie Muntzie the "Guna" Tuna! ROTFL. War. } : < { 0
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Re: IRG's Daigohonzon foto feeding frenzy
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren Date: Thu, Jan 4, 2001, 12:07am
(CST+6) From: ju...@cableinet.co.uk (jussi)
I don't think this photo..I think I know which one it is...is of the
Dai-Gohonzon...there are some characters missing underneath 'Nichiren'
that you can very clearly see on the Dai-Gohonzon and in this photo
there is just a blank space there...so it can not be a photo of the real
Dai-Gohonzon.. It is pitiful how all these people are clamoring to see
this photo...why don't they just go on Tozan...? See the real thing! The
'kao' is similar to the one on the Dai-Gohonzon but maybe it is my
eyes...the characters on the Dai-Gohonzon seem to me to be thicker in
any case... Jussi.
"guna" <ipcress7@hotmail..com> wrote in message
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On IRG
chanterkyo wrote : WOW me too, I have one I printed out from the
undisclosed URL so if it is the same save your email stamp LOL
chris_holte@h... wrote: Wow zow! Can you send it to me?
Shirley wrote : Is an image of the Dai Gohonzon now posted on the
internet?? This is the first I've heard of this.
and all because Jerry wrote :
"I have a photo of the DaiGohonzon, taken with the permission of
Nichiren Shoshu, that I'd be happy to email privately to those
interested. "
I know the photo that you are talking about - and you can't actually see
the Daigohonzon. Still, it is interesting to see everyone clammering for
a glimpse.
The undignified feeding frenzy that you have started reminds me of a
bunch of 11 year old school boys clammering for a look at a dirty
magazine in a playground, or those websites purporting to have photos of
Diana in her car wreck
very bad taste, but then how many IRG members have any respect or belief
in the Daigohozon anymore ?
Incidently the message that Diane Conti posted ( "temple members are
printing this photo off the net and pinning it on their doors to support
Nikken and snub the Gakkai") is the biggest load of bullsh*t I've heard
on the net since Kachiyuke was posting information about the High Priest
being on his death bed.
Paul
Reginald Carpenter
1:42pm (CST+15).
Re: The "Daigohonzon" Photo & Fake DG Facts
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
>>> Thanks for this. <--- #1.
#1. RC comments: Don't thank his little, lying-ass, low life
conditioned, Dumb-ass for doing No-thing [Zen] but DOUBLE-TALKING &
LYING to Arbn readers like you about this subject, Smitty!
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Interesting information. Will check it out sometime this year.
>>> BTW - on no characters at the photo at Don Ross's site, actually, if
you look very closely you can see that the bottom is not all one shade
of black, indicating that there are characters which did not show up.
<--- #2.
#2. RC comments: "Sho' You Right"! - Barry White. LOL.
Actually, with my 27inch Webtv screen, I can faintly see little light
(white) spots at the bottom and along on both sides of the largest
characters there where the littlest characters on the real Dai-Gohonzon
are supposed to be, "which did not show up"!
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>>> The explanation on the original site in Japanese I saw at one time
stated that these characters were not gold embossed like the other ones,
and simply didn't show up in the photograph. <--- #3.
#3. RC comments: that is No-thing [Zen] but the truth and common
sense, too!
Because, when that old black & white photo was taken in the year 1910,
"those characters [probably] were NOT gold embossed like the other ones"
were way back then!
And, because when I was there on my first group Tozan for the Sho-Hondo
Opening Cremonies in Oct 1972, we were told that the characters on the
Dai-Gohonzon were freshly gold filled or refilled with the same 24 carat
gold as the gold plating being used that went into Its' gold Butsudan,
in order to make them visible for everyone to be able to see where ever
they were seated inside the Myodan of the Sho-Hondo!
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>>> If I remember correctly (and this is a big assumption), these were
the characters giving the dedication to Kunashiri [sic] Yashiro. <---
#4.
#4. RC comments: Nope, you BIGly ass-umed WRONG, Smitty! LOL.
FYI - "the characters giving the dedication to K-u-n-e-s-h-i-g-e
Yashiro," or Yashiro Kuneshige, which are actually called the "words of
conferral" and are NOT the same as the "words of dedication," are
written along or down the side of the Dai-Gohonzon, NOT at the bottom
space of it! WorldPeace! } : < { 0
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RT
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John Petry
Cody <mpc...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:93hpbc$n1v$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <20010109220034...@ng-fa1.aol.com>,
> marc...@aol.com (MarcInMD) wrote:
> > The "Daigohonzon" is not in the Daishonin's handwriting..Whoops
> >
>
> Have you even seen it?
>
> Cody
>
> mcody @ ono.com
>
It come as a surprise to you but there have been people who have seen who do
have some familiarity with the handwriting of Nichiren as well as his style
of inscribing Mandalas at different periods of time. The ita mandala does
not comport with either.
Reginald Carpenter
3:00am CST+6. I changed the subject/title to: Re: The "Dai-Gohonzon"
Photo!**
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Re: The "Dai-Gohonzon" Photo & Fake DG Facts
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
Date: Wed, Jan 10, 2001, 3:00am (CST+6) From: marc...@aol.com
(MarcInMD)
>>> The "Dai-Gohonzon" is not in the Daishonin's handwriting ... Whoops
<--- #1.
#1. RC comments: But, the arrogant & ignorant, LYING-ASS, very low
life conditioned, DUMB-ASS poster named Mark Strumpf, aka. MarcInMD,
nka. Dr. Marc the MORON is NOT in his right mind ... OoPps! ROTFL.
War.
} : < { 0
Cody
Wow, really? Who? You?
Please, John, try your heretical Nichiren Shu history on someone else.
Cody
http://www.sg-eye.com
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Reginald Carpenter
9:51am CST-2.
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Re: The "Daigohonzon" Photo & Fake DG Facts
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
Date: Wed, Jan 10, 2001, 9:51am (CST-2) From: jonp...@slip.net
(John Petry)
news:93hpbc$n1v$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
In article <20010109220034...@ng-fa1.aol.com>,
marc...@aol.com (MarcInMD) wrote:
The "Daigohonzon" is not in the Daishonin's handwriting..Whoops
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Have you even seen it?
Cody
mcody @ ono.com
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>>> It come as a surprise to you but there have been people who have
seen [It] who do have some familiarity with the handwriting of Nichiren
as well as his style of inscribing Mandalas at different periods of
time. <--- #1.
#1. RC comments: Well, "it may come as a surprise to you, but there
have been people who have seen IT," at the same Gokaihi ceremony, "who
do have some familiarity with" It, but who can NOT even agree how to
describe It afterwards! LOL.
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>>> The ita mandala does not comport with either. <--- #2.
#2. RC comments: That is No-thing [Zen] but a d-a-m-ned BIG LIE and a
very STUPID one at that which does NOT even "comport with" the facts
about "either", Lyin' JonPetrified! ROTFL. War. } : < { 0
guna
>marc...@aol.com (MarcInMD) wrote:
>
>The "Daigohonzon" is not in the Daishonin's handwriting..Whoops
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>
>Have you even seen it?
>Cody
>mcody @ ono.com
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>
>>>> It come as a surprise to you but there have been people who have
>seen [It] who do have some familiarity with the handwriting of Nichiren
>as well as his style of inscribing Mandalas at different periods of
>time. <--- #1.
>
>#1. RC comments: Well, "it may come as a surprise to you, but there
>have been people who have seen IT," at the same Gokaihi ceremony, "who
>do have some familiarity with" It, but who can NOT even agree how to
>describe It afterwards! LOL.
Have YOU seen it, Wedgie ?